Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #184
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Ackanomic Digest        Monday, August 19 1996        Volume 01 : Number 184

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 00:09:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1126

> Proposal 1126 - Sun Aug 18 23:28:45 EDT 1996
> Freedom of Speech
> /dev/joe  (Joseph DeVincentis)
> 
> Amend rule 592 by adding a period to the end of its last paragraph, and then
> adding the following to that paragraph:
>   "Words and the use of words in public messages are not Protected, except
>    where specified by other rules."

This proposal addresses the problem mentioned in CFCJ's 106 and 109.
Although Coca-Cola is now unprotected, it may still be technically
against the rules to use the names of protected entities in public
messages.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 01:09:27 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Claiming to win cycle 5

Trying to be the first person to ever win a cycle without a CFJ, I 
submit the following proto CFJ, hoping that the Scorekeeper can verify
my win without the hassle, as it is clear cut to me.

The gist is that P 1099 actually passed, giving me 256, then when P 1104
failed, I received 257.  P 1099 was reported as having failed, but two
of the no voters were on vacation for the entire voting period, and
removing their no votes leads to 9 YES, 4 NO.

Malenkai
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Statement:

Malenkai won the 5th cycle when it was publically announced that P 1104
was rejected.

Malenkai's Reasoning:

Proposal 1099 was reported as rejected, but it was actually accepted.
I shall show that later.  At that point, Malenkai's score was 256, 
because of the 9 points for authorship on an accepted proposal.  
P 1104 was rejected, and Malenkai voted yes, at which time he received
one point for such, hitting the magic number of 257 exactly.

This occurred at the time the results for P 1104 were publically
knowable, in accordance with the rule entitled "When Score changes take
effect", Malenkai's score was 257 at that point.

I now must show that P 1099 was tabulated incorrectly, and that 
P 1100 thru 1104 were tabulated correctly, or that any errors in those
did not affect their acceptance/rejection status.

The voting period for P 1099 was:

Fri Aug 09 14:49:40 EDT 1996 thru  Fri Aug 16 14:49:40 EDT 1996

The reported voting results for P 1099 were:

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
9 YES votes:  1 point each
  Robin Hood                                   32 -> 33
  Malenkai               FUN                  238 -> 239
  Brinjal                                      20 -> 21
  Bascule                FUN                   37 -> 38
  snowgod                (None Yet)            12 -> 13
  Habeous Corpus                               38 -> 39
  /dev/joe               Vulcan               178 -> 179
  Extra Vote 1                                =   0
  Tammany                                     =   0

6 NO votes:
  Mellon                                      =  15
  ThinMan                Vulcan               =  74
  Niccolo Flychuck       Vulcan               =  56
  this is not a name     (None Yet)           =  80
  Techno                 Underworld           =  74
  Wayne                  Underworld           = -11

1 PRESENT votes:
  Pascal                                       = -24

2 ABSTENTIONS:
  mr cwm                 (None Yet)
  Geezer
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------

The no votes by ThinMan and Mellon were made while the players were on
vacation, and thus were illegal per R 457.

Removing those two votes leads to 9 yes votes, 4 no votes, meaning the
proposal was accepted.

ThinMan went on vacation at       08/08/96 00:24 EDT
ThinMan returned from vacation at 08/16/96 16:08 EDT
Mellon went on vacation sometime in July
Mellon returned from vacation at  08/17/96 04:43 EDT

Thus both players were on vacation for the entire length of the voting
period for the proposal, thus could not have cast the NO vote.

The period was:

Fri Aug 09 14:49:40 EDT 1996 thru  Fri Aug 16 14:49:40 EDT 1996

I have all the e-mail, and will attach it if this is submitted as an 
actual CFJ.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 01:37:09 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1114

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Proposal 1114 - Tue Aug 13 14:37:02 EDT 1996
> Keeping the Peace (and Quiet)
> Habeous Corpus  (Ed Graham)
> 
> Amend Rule 712 by adding the subparagraph  (iii) b):
> 
> To determine if any Player currently in Gaol is disturbing the peace and
> tranquility of the Gaol by singing too loudly.  E may either let em
> continue singing,  or stop the singing by telling em in a public message:
> "Shut up! We're trying to sleep here!"

Note that Locations, P 1108 which was recently accepted, added a
subparagraph (iii) b).  I guess we could have 2 subparagraphs b), but it
would be cleaner to retract and resubit.  Given that "Song of the 
Gaolbird" was rejected, this proposal may lose some of its punch.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 00:41:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Claiming to win cycle 5

Malenkai wrote:
> Trying to be the first person to ever win a cycle without a CFJ, I 
> submit the following proto CFJ, hoping that the Scorekeeper can verify
> my win without the hassle, as it is clear cut to me.
> 
> The gist is that P 1099 actually passed, giving me 256, then when P 1104
> failed, I received 257.  P 1099 was reported as having failed, but two
> of the no voters were on vacation for the entire voting period, and
> removing their no votes leads to 9 YES, 4 NO.

> The voting period for P 1099 was:
> 
> Fri Aug 09 14:49:40 EDT 1996 thru  Fri Aug 16 14:49:40 EDT 1996

> The no votes by ThinMan and Mellon were made while the players were on
> vacation, and thus were illegal per R 457.
> 
> Removing those two votes leads to 9 yes votes, 4 no votes, meaning the
> proposal was accepted.
> 
> ThinMan went on vacation at       08/08/96 00:24 EDT
> ThinMan returned from vacation at 08/16/96 16:08 EDT
> Mellon went on vacation sometime in July
> Mellon returned from vacation at  08/17/96 04:43 EDT
> 
> Thus both players were on vacation for the entire length of the voting
> period for the proposal, thus could not have cast the NO vote.

This reasoning appears correct.
The vacation times for these players are correct.

The rules now say that the scoring and rule changes for a proposal are
not applied until the results are announced, but it does not say that
the voting period is extended until that time.

I note that there should also not be votes for Mellon of ThinMan (or
Vulcan Unity) on proposal 1101, nor should Mellon have been able to
cast votes on proposals through P1110.  This doesn't change the
acceptance or rejection of any other proposals, but it changes scoring
on some of them, and it brings P1104 right up to the verge of passing
(11 YES and 6 NO votes).  Before I declare Malenkai the winner I'd
like to make sure that there are no other voting discrepancies that
could cause P1104 to pass (I know that I personally asked at least
one other player to cast an extra vote for P1104...).  If 1104 passed
then the next time Malenkai scored was 9 authorship points on P1108,
which would trigger "No overshooting" and raise the magic number.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 01:46:21 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Claiming to win cycle 5

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> 
> If 1104 passed
> then the next time Malenkai scored was 9 authorship points on P1108,
> which would trigger "No overshooting" and raise the magic number.

If P 1104 passed, then I believe the Brass Monkey would be triggered
as well.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 00:59:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Claiming to win cycle 5

> 
> Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> > 
> > If 1104 passed
> > then the next time Malenkai scored was 9 authorship points on P1108,
> > which would trigger "No overshooting" and raise the magic number.
> 
> If P 1104 passed, then I believe the Brass Monkey would be triggered
> as well.

No.  If P1104 passed:
P1097 failed,
P1100, 1102, 1105, and 1106 were retracted,
P1098, 1099, 1101, 1103, 1104(*), 1007, 1008, 1109, and 1110 were accepted,
but P1111 was rejected so only 9 in a row (ignoring retractions).

Close though.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 01:57:29 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Forget the Brass Monkey

sorry, no possible brass monkey. cannot count to 10.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:11:21 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hafrmeister

Looking over the proposal queue, there isn't all that much which appears
Harfy right now, IMHO.  There are a couple proposals which are
arguably Harfy, however.

I think you've got to go with P 1119, "Bob", as being Harfy.  Hopefully
the potential of the extra 5 point Harfy bonus will generate more NO votes.

I am also declaring P 1115, "Phoebe for President!" Harfy.  My reluctance
here was that its voting period is almost over.  Its still harfy, though.

Malenkai
Harfmeister

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:17:45 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Claiming to win cycle 5

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
 
> Before I declare Malenkai the winner I'd
> like to make sure that there are no other voting discrepancies that
> could cause P1104 to pass (I know that I personally asked at least
> one other player to cast an extra vote for P1104...)

I don't think its too likely that Wayne would have missed an extra YES
vote on repealing the Gnome.  Lets get that Fat Lady queued up :)

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 01:36:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: WINNER! and other scorekeeperness

Seeing no other problems with vacationing players, the gnome, etc.
I declare Malenkai the winner at the moment P1104's results were
announced.  If some error is discovered later then we'll just have to
undo this.

As described previously, Mellon could not possibly have voted on
proposals 1099-1110, and ThinMan could not have voted on 1099 or 1101,
and there could be no Vulcan unity vote on 1101.  I will not make any
score changes for ThinMan and Mellon for their invalid votes.

I also note that accepted proposals 1101 (/dev/joe) and 1110 (Niccolo
Flychuck) are short.

As soon as I have calculated them, I will post the score for the end of
the 5th cycle and the current scores.

/dev/joe
Scorekeeper

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:35:08 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 264 Verdict

CFJ 264 has been judged TRUE.

I find this result fascinating, in light of Steve Gardner's essay on
retractable errors.  This result establishes that the Liaison broke
R 970 in submitting too many proposals to Internomic, which seems like
a retractable error.  Unfortunately, Internomic rules do not allow
proposals to be retracted.  So we can claim that this CFJ establishes
that the proposals were never submitted (a retractable error to us),
but they still exist in Internomic.  Interesting.

Clerk of the Courts
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Call For Judgement 264
  Subject: InterNomic Proposal Submissions
Initiator: Malenkai
    Judge: Simon Marty Harriman (failed to respond)
2nd Judge: Wayne (selected Aug 15, 1996, 23:49h New York Time)

Statement:

All players, including the Liaison, may make only one InterNomic Proposal
per week.

Malenkai's reasoning:

>From R 970:
> Any Ackanomic Player may request the Liaison to make an InterNomic
> Proposal by sending the Proposal to the Liaison, but may only do so
> once per week.

Certainly the Liaison is a player (either Ambassador or Speaker).  I see
no rule giving the Liaison the priviledge of submitting more than one
per week themself.  InterNomic proposal submission is protected, of
course.

The Liaison is a collator, similar to the Witchfinder General or the
Tabulator, or the Clerk of the Courts.  Those offices do not get extra
votes (or whatnot) just because they are the collator and distributor
of such.  Why is the Liaison any different?  Are we saying the Liaison
would get more votes, also, when tabulating the "will of Ackanomic"?

I bring this up because the entity AckaNomic is the player in InterNomic,
not the Liaison.  The InterNomic world sees our proposal submissions as
the work and will of AckaNomic, not as the work and will of a single player
of AckaNomic, hence the once per week clause.

I have nothing against allowing a single player to submit multiple
proposals to InterNomic per week.  If that is the will of AckaNomic,
the rules  should be changed to reflect that will, however, and the
priviledge should be available to all players, not just one.

Wayne's Reasoning:

I judge TRUE.  R970 indicates that any player may submit only one
proposal per week.  This holds true for the Liaison as well.  While
I don't think we would require the Liaison to send the proposal to
himself, the part about once per week applies to 'Any player' including
the Liaison.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:39:06 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Fat Lady

The Fat Lady is singing.

I note that she still has not stopped singing since the end of cycle 3.
The rules do not permit her to be silenced, once she starts,
unfortunately.

Malenkai
Speaker

BTW, I'm making Right Handed Grapefruit juice.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:20:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Scores at the end of cycle 5

By my calculation, these were the scores when cycle 5 ended,
which was at 00:34:39 EDT August 19, 1996, when the voting
results on proposal 1104 were posted.

The old Grapefruit and Eggs are destroyed, and Malenkai gets a
Right Handed Grapefruit, and Geezer, fon, Robert Sevin, chess piece face,
Wayne, Pascal, and Calvin N Hobbes get Chartreuse Goose Eggs.

A bunch of A$ goes back to the treasury or stops being haunted by undead.
[There is a proposal up for vote to stop this, but Malenkai won too soon. :-)]
Then everybody gets A$ equal to their score.

I will now begin working on the scores for the new cycle.
There may be some gnome votes added on these proposals, since we no
longer have Calvin N Hobbes at -33 to be the perpetual Gnome Buddy.

Score   Ackanomic Name   Status  Real Name
- -----   --------------      ---  -------------
257     Malenkai             A   (Randy Hall)
193     /dev/joe             A   (Joseph DeVincentis)
84      this is not a name   A   (Mike Epstein)
79      Techno               A   (Jerome Herrman)
75      ThinMan              A   (John Bollinger)
68      Niccolo Flychuck     A   (Uri Bruck)
40      Habeous Corpus       A   (Ed Graham)
39      Bascule              A   (Matt Black)
34      mr cwm               A   (Eric Murray)
32      Robin Hood           A   (R Shaw)
20      Brinjal              A   (Simon Clarke)
15      Mellon              IV   (Niklas Mellin)
14      snowgod              A   (Phil Ackley)
8       De'ghew              V   (John Spickes)
- -2      Geezer               A   (David Chapman)
- -3      fon                  V   (Adrian Smith)
- -3      Robert Sevin         V   (Mitchell Harding)
- -10     chess piece face     V   (Paul Swan)
- -17     Wayne                A   (Wayne Sheppard)
- -20 [%] Simon Marty Harriman D   (Andy Swan)
- -24     Pascal               A   (Jason Reed)
- -33     Calvin N Hobbes     IV   (Thierry Joffrain)

Status: A=Active, N=New, V=Vacationing, IV=Involuntary Vacation, D=Dead

[%] Score when he was removed from the game.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:55:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Current Scores

The current scores, updated through proposal 1112, are:

Score   Ackanomic Name   Status  Real Name
- -----   --------------      ---  -------------
26      Niccolo Flychuck     A   (Uri Bruck)
10      Brinjal              A   (Simon Clarke)
9       Malenkai             A   (Randy Hall)
6       Techno               A   (Jerome Herrman)
4       Wayne                A   (Wayne Sheppard)
3       this is not a name   A   (Mike Epstein)
3       Bascule              A   (Matt Black)
3       Robin Hood           A   (R Shaw)
1       Habeous Corpus       A   (Ed Graham)
1       snowgod              A   (Phil Ackley)
1       /dev/joe             A   (Joseph DeVincentis)
0       ThinMan              A   (John Bollinger)
0       mr cwm               A   (Eric Murray)
0       Mellon               A   (Niklas Mellin)
0       De'ghew              V   (John Spickes)
0       Geezer               A   (David Chapman)
0       fon                  V   (Adrian Smith)
0       Robert Sevin         V   (Mitchell Harding)
0       chess piece face     V   (Paul Swan)
0       Pascal               A   (Jason Reed)
0       Calvin N Hobbes     IV   (Thierry Joffrain)

Status: A=Active, N=New, V=Vacationing, IV=Involuntary Vacation, D=Dead

The Gnome Buddy changed several times.  None of the gnome votes changed
the acceptance or rejection of proposals, even combined with removing
Mellon's invalid votes on proposals through 1110 (in fact, they usually
replaced Mellon's vote, leaving the count unchanged).

P1105-1107: all scores 0, no gnome buddy.
After P1107: Techno became gnome buddy with a score of 2.
P1108: Techno voted yes, gnome votes yes.
P1109: Techno voted no, gnome votes no.
After P1109: Wayne becomes gnome buddy with a score of 2.
P1110: Wayne voted yes, gnome votes yes.
After P1110: Techno becomes gnome buddy with a score of 6.
P1111: Techno voted no, gnome votes no.
After P1111: snowgod becomes gnome buddy with a score of -8.
P1112: snowgod voted yes, gnome votes yes.
After P1112: Wayne becomes gnome buddy with a score of 4.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 01:00:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Scores at the end of cycle 5

After being an observer for a few weeks, I think I'd like to become an
actual player. Since it looks like a cycle has just ended, it would be
nice if I could start at the beginning of the next cycle.

When does the next cycle officially start, and do I have to do anything
besides what is outlined in the server help?

b

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 03:12:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Magic Potato (snowgod)

It is Monday, and this week the Magic Potato goes to snowgod.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 01:07:44 -0800
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 264 Verdict 

>CFJ 264 has been judged TRUE.
>
>I find this result fascinating, in light of Steve Gardner's essay on
>retractable errors.  This result establishes that the Liaison broke
>R 970 in submitting too many proposals to Internomic, which seems like
>a retractable error.  Unfortunately, Internomic rules do not allow
>proposals to be retracted.  So we can claim that this CFJ establishes
>that the proposals were never submitted (a retractable error to us),
>but they still exist in Internomic.  Interesting.

I have been pondering that very thing ever since this CFJ was submitted.
We can only assume that in THIS game, I, as ambassador, never submitted
those proposals.  However, in INTERNOMIC (which is a different game) I, as
liason did submit those proposals.  Or at least ackanomic did.  Whether I
did or not is questinable :)

snowgod

Ackanomic Ambassador - Liason to Internomic - President
Inventor - Former Senator (seat a)  - Heretic (4 times!) - Former CSRR
Founder, Church of the Markovian Dream - Member, None Yet
Wearing a prosthetic forehead - Fighting Forehead Discrimination

"Make it idiot-proof, and someone will make a better idiot"

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 01:15:36 -0800
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Magic Potato (snowgod) 

>It is Monday, and this week the Magic Potato goes to snowgod.

Figures :)

I've been waiting to get my hands on that little potato for A few months
now, and what happens when i finally get it?  I have to go on vacation!

By the way... I realized something.  With time zone differences, you
probably won't get my vacation message until tuesday ( I leave at night).

snowgod

Ackanomic Ambassador - Liason to Internomic - President
Inventor - Former Senator (seat a)  - Heretic (4 times!) - Former CSRR
Founder, Church of the Markovian Dream - Member, None Yet
Wearing a prosthetic forehead - Fighting Forehead Discrimination

"Make it idiot-proof, and someone will make a better idiot"

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 01:15:43 -0800
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Electronic Potato (ThinMan) 

Could the Financier please transfer A$2 into my account for the passage of
P1112 per the blueprint for the EP?

Thank you

snowgod

Ackanomic Ambassador - Liason to Internomic - President
Inventor - Former Senator (seat a)  - Heretic (4 times!) - Former CSRR
Founder, Church of the Markovian Dream - Member, None Yet
Wearing a prosthetic forehead - Fighting Forehead Discrimination

"Make it idiot-proof, and someone will make a better idiot"

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:40:02 -0800
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Mentor Salary 

I'm don't believe this has been noted before... If it has, please forgive me.

mr cwm's period as mentor for geezer has ended and he should recieve A$25
for his services.

snowgod

snowgod

Ackanomic Ambassador - Liason to Internomic - President
Inventor - Former Senator (seat a)  - Heretic (4 times!) - Former CSRR
Founder, Church of the Markovian Dream - Member, None Yet
Wearing a prosthetic forehead - Fighting Forehead Discrimination

"Make it idiot-proof, and someone will make a better idiot"

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:35:13 +0200
From: Niklas Mellin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Claiming to win cycle 5

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> 
> Malenkai wrote:

> > The voting period for P 1099 was:
> >
> > Fri Aug 09 14:49:40 EDT 1996 thru  Fri Aug 16 14:49:40 EDT 1996
> 
> > The no votes by ThinMan and Mellon were made while the players were on
> > vacation, and thus were illegal per R 457.
> >
> > Removing those two votes leads to 9 yes votes, 4 no votes, meaning the
> > proposal was accepted.
> >
> > ThinMan went on vacation at       08/08/96 00:24 EDT
> > ThinMan returned from vacation at 08/16/96 16:08 EDT
> > Mellon went on vacation sometime in July
> > Mellon returned from vacation at  08/17/96 04:43 EDT
> >
> > Thus both players were on vacation for the entire length of the voting
> > period for the proposal, thus could not have cast the NO vote.
> 
> This reasoning appears correct.
> The vacation times for these players are correct.
> 
> The rules now say that the scoring and rule changes for a proposal are
> not applied until the results are announced, but it does not say that
> the voting period is extended until that time.
> 
> I note that there should also not be votes for Mellon of ThinMan (or
> Vulcan Unity) on proposal 1101, nor should Mellon have been able to
> cast votes on proposals through P1110.  This doesn't change the
> acceptance or rejection of any other proposals, but it changes scoring
> on some of them, and it brings P1104 right up to the verge of passing
> (11 YES and 6 NO votes).  Before I declare Malenkai the winner I'd
> like to make sure that there are no other voting discrepancies that
> could cause P1104 to pass (I know that I personally asked at least
> one other player to cast an extra vote for P1104...).  If 1104 passed
> then the next time Malenkai scored was 9 authorship points on P1108,
> which would trigger "No overshooting" and raise the magic number.

I have no comments to the above, except that I want to point out that
I did not intentionally vote on those proposal against the rules. I
just sent a #current command to the nomicbot after I had sent a message
about being back from vacation, and voted on all proposals it said was 
open for vote, and close in time.

I apologize for any trouble I have caused.

Mellon,
Wearing a Silly Vacation Hat

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:13:41 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Scores at the end of cycle 5

Brian Raiter wrote:
> 
> After being an observer for a few weeks, I think I'd like to become an
> actual player. Since it looks like a cycle has just ended, it would be
> nice if I could start at the beginning of the next cycle.
> 
> When does the next cycle officially start, and do I have to do anything
> besides what is outlined in the server help?

You are in the game once the registrar announces you.  I note that
once this occurs, Habeous Corpus receives some amount of points for 
his Whamiol.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:40:42 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Jason Reed)
Subject: Oops. 

Part of my RFC prop should actually read:

"
The Vocabulary of Harfish:

Harpi - adj., Good, interesting, clever, harfy.
M'harpi - adj., Bad, boring, stupid, redundant.
"

P's instead of f's, since there are no f's in harfish, as of yet, and the
p's make a pf sort of sound. Oh well. No big deal.

- ---Pascal---
Wearing A Silly Vacation Hat.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:22:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Vacation

To:   Ackanomians
From: mr cwm

I hereby place myself on vacation.  My expected date of return is 12 SEP
96.  Don't kill the Gnome or round the Earth while I'm gone :)

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:44:34 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Vacation

mr cwm wrote:
> 
> To:   Ackanomians
> From: mr cwm
> 
> I hereby place myself on vacation.  My expected date of return is 12 SEP
> 96.  Don't kill the Gnome or round the Earth while I'm gone :)

I shall be acting Justice.  I am still not sure of the state of CFJ 251
and CFJ 265 appeals.  Hopefully the justices have reached verdicts
before mr cwm left, and I can simply rubber stamp them.

Also, did snowgod officially go on vacation?  If so, I appoint Niccolo
Flychuck as acting president.  I can't find the e-mail though, so mabye
this does not occur.

Malenkai
Speaker
In a rush

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:27:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Mentor Salary

> I'm don't believe this has been noted before... If it has, please forgive me.
> 
> mr cwm's period as mentor for geezer has ended and he should recieve A$25
> for his services.

I note that two weeks from the time he was assigned ended at 00:15 EDT
August 19, or before the end of the cycle.

ThinMan should also note that there are extra votes and tammany bribes
before and after the end of the cycle (mostly before).

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:00:30 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: Official: Accounts 

Ackazens,

Here are the most recent financial account standings.  They should be
fully up-to-date, and now include the assets haunted by the  undead.

There may yet be one or two minor corrections as I work out the salary
stuff, but that will not affect anyone very much.

As always, the financial log is available to anyone interested.

ThinMan
Financier

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List of accounts as of 8/15/96

- ---------
Stats:
Ackadollars in circulation:
A$ 13,925

Average Per Player (and undead):
A$ 535

Treasury:
A$ 61,075

Orkatass Lawn Care Company and Motor Inn:
A$ 10

The following entities are stored in the Treasury:

The Gumball, The Voting Gnome, Tammany, Phoebe, The Fat Lady, An endless
supply and endless variety of Prosthetic Foreheads, The Brass Monkey, The
Map of Ackanomia, The Rules of Ackanomic, the Proposals of Ackanomic, the
Judgements of Ackanomic, the three Blueprints currently in existence, and
every other legal document of Ackanomic, Game custom, The Ackanomic Afterlife,
the Senate Building, the Free Market, the Treasury, the Gaol, the Library, and
every other public building, Scads of PFs of fromer players, An infinite
number of points, The Great Trombone of Ackanomia, and probably a few others.
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Name of Player [Acka Name]
A$xxx		nnn PFxxx       Other entities

/dev/joe
A$862 		100 PF/dev      Prosthetic Forehead

Bascule
A$486 		100 PFBascule   2 Newspapers, Big Blue Thing

Brinjal
A$479		100 PFBrinjal

Calvin N Hobbes
A$309		100 PFCalvin

chess piece face
A$347		100 PFchess

De'ghew
A$515   	100 PFDe'ghew

fon
A$421		100 PFfon

Geezer
A$527		100 PFGeezer

Habeous Corpus
A$711           100 PFHabeous	Whamiol

Kelly Martin(u)
A$ 395          100 Bond promissories

Malenkai
A$1039		100 PFMalenka   Prosthetic Forehead

Mellon
A$751           100 PFMellon

Mohammad(u)
A$550           100 BPs

mr cwm
A$485 		100 PFmr        2 Prosthetic Foreheads

Niccolo Flychuck
A$424		100 PFNiccolo   Scroll of Crumble, Prosthetic Forehead

pTang1001001sos(u)
A$751           100 BPs, Blue Cross

Pascal
A$376           100 PFPascal

Robert Sevin
A$391		100 PFRobert

Robin Hood
A$429 		100 PFRobin

Simon Marty Harriman
A$385		100 PFSimon

snowgod
A$282		100 PFsnowgod   Electronic Potato, 2 Prosthetic Foreheads

Techno
A$694		100 PFTechno

The Great Old One(u)
A$410           100 BPs

ThinMan
A$603 		100 PFThinMan

this is not a name
A$655 		100 PFthis

Wayne
A$638 		100 PFWayne

Undead are marked with "(u)".

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:42:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: RFC: Undead end of cycle fixes

RFC: Undead end of cycle fixes

{{[ After the series of proposals that established the Undead, I noticed
that one of the important changes was left out -- rule 666.  I made a
quickie proposal to fix the most important part, the A$, but there are
still some things that need to be done. ]}}

Amend rule 666 as follows:

Add this section to the beginning:
{{ [Since Rule 964 takes precedence, the Undead with CGE's did not lose them
   at the end of the cycle.]
   The undeads Simon Marty Harriman, Kelly Martin, and The Great Old One
   stop haunting all Chartreuse Goose Eggs.  Then, all Chartreuse Goose
   Eggs in the Treasury are destroyed. }}

Change section b from:
 "b) All Chartreuse Goose Eggs and Right-Handed Grapefruit are eliminated."
to:
 "b) All Undead stop haunting all Chartreuse Goose Eggs and Right-Handed
     Grapefruit.  Then, all Chartreuse Goose Eggs and Right-Handed
     Grapefruit are destroyed."

{{[ How do we want to handle the bonds haunted by undead and bond
    promissories owned by players and bond promissories haunted by undead
    other than the one they are associated with at the end of a cycle?
    I can make it equivalent to the way bonds are handled now (see below).
    I could also just leave it as it is, or do something different in
    these cases. ]}}

Change section f from:
  "f) In every instance where a Player owns Bonds issued in another Player's
   name, 25% (round up) of such Bonds will revert back to the Player in
   whose name the Bonds were issued."
to:
  "f) In every instance where a Player owns or an Undead haunts Bonds or
   Bond Promissories associated with a Player or Undead other than 
   emself, 25% (round up) of such Bonds or Promissories revert back to the
   Player or Undead they are associated with.  Each Undead haunts or stops
   haunting Bonds and Promissories as necessary to achieve the above
   exchange, and Promissories returning to Undead go into the Treasury."

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 15:50:42 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 1131

Proposal 1131 - Mon Aug 19 15:50:42 EDT 1996
Silence is Golden
snowgod  (Phil Ackley)

{{ The fat lady shall stop singing immediatly}}

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:51:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: RFC: Making 362 and 691 put players on vacation

RFC: 362 and 691 vacation instead of removed from game.

Amend rule 362 by changing the last sentence to:
"If the player does not reply within two days, then e is placed on vacation."

Amend rule 691 by changing the last sentence to:
"If the player does not reply within four days, then e is placed on vacation."

{{[ Why are the times different on these?  Should that be changed too? ]}}
{{[ The On Ice fixes to the vacation rule will cause such players to
    eventually be removed from the game, while giving them more time
    before they are removed from the game.  However, making the change
    above will take away this method of removing a player from office,
    but we do have Impeachment for that, as well as Acting Officers, so
    I don't think this is a problem. ]}}

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:06:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1131

> Proposal 1131 - Mon Aug 19 15:50:42 EDT 1996
> Silence is Golden
> snowgod  (Phil Ackley)
> 
> {{ The fat lady shall stop singing immediatly}}

Kelly Martin's end-of-cycle fix would have fixed this problem.
Some time I'll dig it up and rewrite it to account for all the changes
in the 200 or so other proposals since then.  I have some rules to
update now.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:28:54 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re:  Acka: RFC: Undead end of cycle fixes 

I agree with the amendments suggested by /dev/joe, including that bonds
and bond promissories held by players and haunted by undead all be handled
the same way.

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:26:24 -0800
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Vacation 

>mr cwm wrote:
>>
>> To:   Ackanomians
>> From: mr cwm
>>
>> I hereby place myself on vacation.  My expected date of return is 12 SEP
>> 96.  Don't kill the Gnome or round the Earth while I'm gone :)
>
>I shall be acting Justice.  I am still not sure of the state of CFJ 251
>and CFJ 265 appeals.  Hopefully the justices have reached verdicts
>before mr cwm left, and I can simply rubber stamp them.
>
>Also, did snowgod officially go on vacation?  If so, I appoint Niccolo
>Flychuck as acting president.  I can't find the e-mail though, so mabye
>this does not occur.
>
>Malenkai
>Speaker
>In a rush

I have not officially gone on vacation.  I will soon.

snowgod

snowgod

Ackanomic Ambassador - Liason to Internomic - President
Inventor - Former Senator (seat a)  - Heretic (4 times!) - Former CSRR
Founder, Church of the Markovian Dream - Member, None Yet
Wearing a prosthetic forehead - Fighting Forehead Discrimination

"Make it idiot-proof, and someone will make a better idiot"

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:24:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: RFC: old players' stuff

RFC: old players' stuff

Are "new players" and "returning players" well-enough defined now that
a "new player" who played before and had PFbonds and land, but left the
game before the Undead fix (such as Dr McSpong) will get new land and
a home and PFbonds when he re-joins the game?

If so, I want to do something like:

{{ All PFbonds and land in the treasury which once belonged to a player
   but now do not, and are not haunted by undead, are destroyed. }}

Otherwise, I want to fix the rules that give out PFbonds and land
so that they return the player's old stuff to them when appropriate.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:35:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Scores and the Gnome Buddy

I had not included the joint authorship points from Rule 1112.1 in my
last score report.  snowgod loses 3 points, and Malenkai gains 3 points.
As a result, snowgod is now the gnome buddy with a score of -2 points.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:28:29 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CSR 5

mr cwm did not get a change to mention this, but CSR 5 was accepted.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:05:55 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC: Making 362 and 691 put players on vacation

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> 
> RFC: 362 and 691 vacation instead of removed from game.
> 
> Amend rule 362 by changing the last sentence to:
> "If the player does not reply within two days, then e is placed on vacation."
> 
> Amend rule 691 by changing the last sentence to:
> "If the player does not reply within four days, then e is placed on vacation."
> 
> {{[ Why are the times different on these?  Should that be changed too? ]}}
> {{[ The On Ice fixes to the vacation rule will cause such players to
>     eventually be removed from the game,...

Great minds think alike :).  Such a proposal was in my personal proposal
queue.  My version would put the player on ice immediately (ie, by
specifying an expected duration of zero days).  Then they would have to
be idle for another 14 days (or around 21 days total), before they are
removed from office.

As for the times, I cannot speak for R 362, but I intentionally made the
time on R 691 4 days because the player would have to be AWOL for 7
days (3 days for CFJ response, 4 days for R 691 response, similar
time to R 362) before being affected.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:31:09 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Official: Accounts

John Bollinger wrote:
> 
> Ackazens,
> 
> Here are the most recent financial account standings.  They should be
> fully up-to-date, and now include the assets haunted by the  undead.
> 

> List of accounts as of 8/15/96

I assume this report is post end of cycle, and the date is a typo?

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:44:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC: old players' stuff

I wrote:
> RFC: old players' stuff
> {{ All PFbonds and land in the treasury which once belonged to a player
>    but now do not, and are not haunted by undead, are destroyed. }}

This should actually say "All PFbonds and buildings in the treasury..."
The old land can stay, and in fact can be reused once we clear the old
players' houses off of it.

BTW, the Map will be updated when I get a chance to do it; the text below
it is easier to update than the actual Map, so I tend to put a checklist
there of things that need to be changed on the Map.

The rules will be updated very soon (probably before you get this message).

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:44:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC: old players' stuff

I wrote:
> RFC: old players' stuff
> {{ All PFbonds and land in the treasury which once belonged to a player
>    but now do not, and are not haunted by undead, are destroyed. }}

This should actually say "All PFbonds and buildings in the treasury..."
The old land can stay, and in fact can be reused once we clear the old
players' houses off of it.

BTW, the Map will be updated when I get a chance to do it; the text below
it is easier to update than the actual Map, so I tend to put a checklist
there of things that need to be changed on the Map.

The rules will be updated very soon (probably before you get this message).

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