Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #135
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Ackanomic Digest        Thursday, July 25 1996        Volume 01 : Number 135

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:42:41 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Please...........

Pleaseeee put the word Witchhunt in the subject line of any
witchhunt vote!

Thanks
Witchfinder General

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 01:51:34 +0000
From: Bascule <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: The Day Today

FASHION

RED HOT SUMMER WEAR

By General Samuel Melchitt (Mrs)

  Ackanomia's mad fashion of the Summer has just been unveiled - being
burned alive! 
  Self-confessed fashion guru snowgod started the unlikely trend way
back in May. Calvin n Hobbes was soon to be seen sporting the
attractive shimmering yellow design, while snowgod was so taken with
that de-rigeur "just singed" look that he has since added a second
outfit to his collection, and it seems likely that he will shortly
acquire a third. 
  This essential fashion accessory for the hip Ackazen is now proving
more popular than ever before, with Robin Hood, Mellon, Brinjal,
ThinMan, Habeous Corpus, /dev/joe and pTang1001001sos joining in the
headlong rush for designer incendiaries. 
  So much so, that the "tailor to the stars", the Witchfinder General, is 
threatening to resign due to overwork.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:52:50 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Please...........

Malenkai wrote:
> 
> Pleaseeee put the word Witchhunt in the subject line of any
> witchhunt vote!
> 
> Thanks
> Witchfinder General

This officially starts the second witchhunt on snowgod, as of the time
of this post.

We have enough witchhunts to keep us amused for a while.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 20:55:36 -0400
From: this is not a name <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 241 (tinan)

I judge 241 false.

this is not a name's Reasoning:

If the Supreme Court rules that an action is illegal, it is considered to 
be illegal until such time as that verdict is overturned. (And vice 
versa.)

There is indeed a higher authority; any justice can and should be 
impeached and a new one appointed if the Supreme Court disregards its 
mission and returns an illegal verdict.

- --
         Mike Epstein     [email-masked]     Long Island, NY
Is the glass half empty, half full, or twice as large as it needs to be?
 http://www.nyiq.net/~epstein/          Finger for PGP 2.6.2 public key

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 19:57:24 -0500
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Please........... Witchhunt 

CnH returns from vacation...

>> Pleaseeee put the word Witchhunt in the subject line of any
>> witchhunt vote!
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Witchfinder General
>
>This officially starts the second witchhunt on snowgod, as of the time
>of this post.
>
>We have enough witchhunts to keep us amused for a while.

Certainly not.

This planet is round.
This planet is the earth
Therefore the earth is round.

CnH goes back on vacation - in hiding actually!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 20:59:18 -0400
From: this is not a name <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 241 (tinan)

Sorry for responding to the public forum. I meant to send that to 
Malenkai.

- --
        Mike Epstein     [email-masked]     Long Island, NY
"Truth is always exciting. Speak it, then. Life is boring without it."
                                       --Pearl S. Buck
http://www.nyiq.net/~epstein/          Finger for PGP 2.6.2 public key

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 21:00:03 -0400
From: this is not a name <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Please........... Witchhunt

>Certainly not.
>
>This planet is round.
>This planet is the earth
>Therefore the earth is round.
>
>CnH goes back on vacation - in hiding actually!

guess what?

Yeah, I call another one of them thar witchhunts on CnH.

- --
        Mike Epstein     [email-masked]     Long Island, NY
"I stopped believing in Santa Claus when I was six. Mother took me to
 see him in a department store and he asked for my autograph."
                                      --Shirley Temple Black
http://www.nyiq.net/~epstein/         Finger for PGP 2.6.2 public key

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:01:17 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Please........... Witchhunt

T Joffrain wrote:
> 
> CnH returns from vacation...

> CnH goes back on vacation - in hiding actually!

Neither of these actions are permissable, unless you are in Gaol.
I'm sure that can be arranged...

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:19:18 -0500
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Please........... Witchhunt 

>Neither of these actions are permissable, unless you are in Gaol.
>I'm sure that can be arranged...

I come back... whatever that means...

Wow. Throwing someone's ashes in prison. Cooool!

I call a witchhunt on myself.
And another witchhunt on myself.
And another.
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Done.

CnH

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:19:56 -0500
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Please........... Witchhunt 

>guess what?
>
>Yeah, I call another one of them thar witchhunts on CnH.

Yeeeeeeeha!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:38:44 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Please........... Witchhunt

this is not a name wrote:
> 
> >Certainly not.
> >
> >This planet is round.
> >This planet is the earth
> >Therefore the earth is round.
> >
> >CnH goes back on vacation - in hiding actually!
> 
> guess what?
> 
> Yeah, I call another one of them thar witchhunts on CnH.

By the rules, I am required to announce the start of this witchhunt.
I have not intentionally broken a rule yet (unless CFCJ 106 comes back
true), so there you have it. (Well, thats not exactly true, I've been
sitting on CFJ 146 for a while, but game custom allowed Mohammed to do
so).

Of course, if CFCJ 106 comes back true, we will all be breaking the
rules, or starve to death. 

Witchfinder General

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:41:51 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Witchhunt

this is not a name wrote:
>
> >Certainly not.
> >
> >This planet is round.
> >This planet is the earth
> >Therefore the earth is round.
> >
> >CnH goes back on vacation - in hiding actually!
>
> guess what?
>
> Yeah, I call another one of them thar witchhunts on CnH.

By the rules, I am required to announce the start of this witchhunt.
I have not intentionally broken a rule yet (unless CFCJ 106 comes back
true), so there you have it. (Well, thats not exactly true, I've been
sitting on CFJ 146 for a while, but game custom allowed Mohammed to do
so).

Of course, if CFCJ 106 comes back true, we will all be breaking the
rules, or starve to death.

Witchfinder General

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:42:51 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Please........... Witchhunt

I announce the following witchhunts:

Witchfinder General

T Joffrain wrote:
> 
> >Neither of these actions are permissable, unless you are in Gaol.
> >I'm sure that can be arranged...
> 
> I come back... whatever that means...
> 
> Wow. Throwing someone's ashes in prison. Cooool!
> 
> I call a witchhunt on myself.
> And another witchhunt on myself.
> And another.
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> Done.
> 
> CnH

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:25:44 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 242 (cpf)

chess piece face has been chosen for the following, and has 3 days
to respond.

Clerk of the Courts

Call For Judgement 242
Subject: Last Party Chess Paradox, I promise
Initiator: Malenkai
Judge: chess piece face (selected Jul 25, 1996, 22:25h New York Time)

Statement: 

The first instance of the text, sequentially in the rules, that defines
the Party Chess Piece named King cannot be determined with finality;
thus the legality of actions that manipulate said King cannot be
determined with finality.

Malenkai's Reasoning:

I quote from the infamous R 990, section 3.H:
 
> The King is defined in a seperate section of this rule.

The Rules, by definition, are True. There is no such thing, in nomic, as
a False rule. The best you can do is show how, amongst seemingly
contradictory rules, that one has precedence, or failing that, show how a
rule or rules is paradoxical, as in CFJ 184, or as in obvious cases such
as "this statement is False".

It matters not if they appear False in "real life". For example, we have
a rule (R 729) that states "The earth is flat". If we were to have another
rule which stated: "If the earth is flat, all players receive exactly
one Blue Cross, provided they do not have one", then "Real Life" Truth
would not matter, only Ackanomic Truth.

If we allow the assumption, or the power, to determine that rules can be
False, the game will crash instantly.

Thus, given the Truth of the above rule, what can we say with finality?
That the King is defined somewhere in R 990, but not in section 3. That
is all. There is more to the rule than section 3, so said text is defined
elsewhere in R 990. It cannot, however, be determined with finality what
that text is, exactly. I challenge the Judge to do so, from R 990.

Now, to clean up loose ends in regards to the CFJ's statement:

1) There is no text in the rules before R 990 that even mentions the
Party Chess Piece named King, thus there is no text prior to 990 which
defines it; thus the indeterminite definition in R 990 is the "first
sequentially" in the rules.

2) The King is possibly Protected by R 592: 

> All entities and actions in Ackanomic are Protected by default, unless 
> the rule(s) which specify or define their behaviour *explicitly*
> state otherwise.

Since the text is indeterminite, there may be no way to tell whether the
definition of the King *explicitly* states otherwise, thus we are done
because we don't know if

> [The King] may not be [...] manipulated except as specified by the Rules.

Thus the legality of certain actions of manipulation are indeterminate.

3) Even if we take a leap of faith and assume it is Protected (and you
certainly can't assume it is *not* Protected, because nothing about
Protection is *explicitly stated*), then you arrive at a similar deadlock:

> [The King] may not be [...] manipulated except as specified by the Rules.

The specification of the King, however, is indeterminate, therefore you
do not know if any action (manipulation) is being done "as specified by
the rules", because that specification is indeterminate.

A verdict of TRUE constitutes a win for the initiator by R 219.
A verdict of FALSE should be accompanied by the text of the definition
of the King from R 990, or the text from a lower numbered rule.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:37:26 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 107 (snowgod)

Even with a bigger pool of volunteers,
 
ThinMan has been selected to judge the following, and has 3 days
to accept or decline the appointment. Would the Financier please note
/dev/joe's A$20 Court Fee.

Clerk of the Courts

Call for Criminal Judgement 107
  Subject:  Illegal Witchhunt
Initiator:  /dev/joe
    Judge:  ThinMan

Statement:
  Player snowgod has violated R101.

/dev/joe's Reasoning:
  Snowgod called for judgement against the players who voted yes on
proposal 974.

Since the "blanket protection" fix of rule 592 (and probably before it as
well), witchhunts may only be called by rule 729:

  If, in a public message, a player refers to the Earth being round,
  or implies that this may be the case, any other player may call for
  a Witchhunt, by publically posting that they are doing so.

Although the votes on proposals which have completed their voting periods
must be released publicly, I do not believe that the votes themselves
constitute public messages.  Thus, these players did not refer to the
earth being round, nor did they imply that it may be the case, in a
public message.

Suggested Penalty:
  7 days in Gaol.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:42:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 107 (snowgod)

> Call for Criminal Judgement 107
> /dev/joe's Reasoning:
>   Snowgod called for judgement against the players who voted yes on
> proposal 974.

After I had already sent this off to Malenkai, while I was preparing
CNH's CFCJ, I realized that I have "called for judgement" in my
reasoning where it should say "called for a witchhunt".  Please
interpret it as such.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:43:10 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 107 (snowgod)

Malenkai wrote:
>  
> Call for Criminal Judgement 107
>   Subject:  Illegal Witchhunt
> Initiator:  /dev/joe
>     Judge:  ThinMan

ThinMan is the judge, not snowgod. snowgod was accidently put in the
customary (). Sorry for the confusion.

Clerk of the Witchhunts

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:49:40 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 108 (tinan)

this is not a name has been selected to judge the following, and has 
3 days to accept or decline the appointment. Would the Financier please
note /dev/joe's A$20 Court Fee.

Clerk of the Courts

Call for Criminal Judgement 108
  Subject:  239 Illegal Witchhunts
Initiator:  /dev/joe
    Judge:  this is not a name (selected Thu, Jul 25, 1996, 22:49 EDT)

Statement:
  Player Calvin N Hobbes has violated R101.

/dev/joe's Reasoning:
  Calvin N Hobbes called for a witchhunt on himself 239 times.

Since the "blanket protection" fix of rule 592 (and probably before it as
well), witchhunts may only be called by rule 729:

  If, in a public message, a player refers to the Earth being round,
  or implies that this may be the case, any other player may call for
  a Witchhunt, by publically posting that they are doing so.

This says a player may call for _a_ witchhunt when a player refers to the
Earth being round in a public message.  CNH sent only one such message,
for which tinan had already called for a witchhunt.  CNH may be excused for
calling the first witchhunt, since he may not have have seen tinan's message
yet.  The last 238 are illegal.

However, it also says any _other_ player may call for a witchhunt.
I interpret this to mean that a player cannot call for a witchhunt on
himself under any circumstances, since there is no other way permitted
by the rules for calling a witchhunt.  Thus all 239 of the witchhunts
CNH called for are illegal.

Suggested Penalty:
  14 days in Gaol, and a fine of A$239 (A$1 for each invalid witchhunt 
called)

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:57:57 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 241 Verdict

CFJ 241 has been judged FALSE.

Clerk of the Courts

Call For Judgement 241
Subject: Whimsical Justice
Initiator: Bascule
Judge: this is not a name (selected Jul 25, 1996, 19:33h New York Time)

Statement:

I call for judgement on the following statement:

The legality of actions in statements called for CFJ that are subject
to repeated whimsical judgements from the Supreme Court cannot be
determined with finality.

Bascule's Reasoning:

While "All Judgements must be in accordance with all the
rules then in effect" (rule 215), the legality of appeal verdicts is
determined by the Supreme Court.

An "illegal" verdict (one that does not accord with the rules) from
the Supreme Court cannot be illegal, since there is no higher
authority that can be appealed to.

Hypothetical example:

The CFJ statement "I can return judgements at whim" is whimsically
judged TRUE (when it is plainly false). The verdict is appealed to
the Supreme Court, but the Supreme Court does not overturn the
original verdict, despite any number of appeals.

The legality of whimsical judgements cannot be decided with finality,
since they are illegal by R215, but legal according to the Supreme
Court (the "keepers of the sacred laws").

Note that even if this CFJ is judged true, it will not be a win by
paradox.

this is not a name's Reasoning:

If the Supreme Court rules that an action is illegal, it is considered to
be illegal until such time as that verdict is overturned. (And vice
versa.)

There is indeed a higher authority; any justice can and should be
impeached and a new one appointed if the Supreme Court disregards its
mission and returns an illegal verdict.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:13:01 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 237 Verdict

CFJ 237 has been judged TRUE. 

Therefore, the information the Financier received regarding the Supreme
Court penalties is correct. 

Clerk of the Courts

Call for Judgement 237
  Subject:  Acting Officers
Initiator:  Malenkai
    Judge:  this is not a name

Statement:

The penalties published, and reproduced below, for the Supreme Court's
late appeal verdicts on CFJ 220, 232, and 234 are correct.

Malenkai's Reasoning:

The published penalties were:

>Verdicts delivered:  22 Jul, 16:47

>220 was due 19 Jul, 21:23; overdue 2.81 days => 5.61 => A$5 penalty apiece
>232 was due 19 Jul, 22:24; overdue 2.85 days => 5.70 => A$5 penalty apiece
>234 was due 21 Jul, 15:28; overdue 0.95 days => 1.90 => A$1 penalty apiece

This was suprisingly difficult to figure, and rests on the contentious
assumption that an Acting Justice is the same as a Justice. I wanted to
run this by a Judge just to be sure.

Other facts:

Justice Bascule went on vacation sometime on July 11th and stayed on
vacation until July 22, before the verdicts were delivered.

mr cwm went on vacation on July 10th and returned on July 15 at 10:40 EDT.

In both cases acting Justices were appointed on the day the actual Justices
went on vacation, therefore the Court was fully staffed, by either Justice
or Acting Justice, continuously, since July 11th.

1) So, if Acting Justices count, the vacation clause of R 569 had no effect,
and it was calculated properly. Note also, if relavent, that R 457 has
precedence.

2) If Acting Justices do not count, the last time a "majority" of Justices
were on vacation, from above, was July 15, 10:40, when mr cwm came back.
In this case, the verdicts were due July 22, 10:40, and therefore no
penalties, after rounding, would be due for these 3 CFJs.

I claim 1) is the proper interpretation. What if the *Acting* Justices
delivered a late verdict. Surely they should be penalized?

Note that I read "majority", as indicated by Webster, to be *greater* than
50%

this is not a name's reasoning:

I return a verdict of true on 237, noting that perhaps Acting Justices
should not be permitted, as their existence has the potential to subvert
the notion of an enlightened Supreme Court confirmed by the Senate.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:16:46 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 108 Verdict

CFCJ 108 has been judged FALSE.

Clerk of the Courts

Call for Criminal Judgement 108
  Subject:  239 Illegal Witchhunts
Initiator:  /dev/joe
    Judge:  this is not a name (selected Thu, Jul 25, 1996, 22:49 EDT)

Statement:
  Player Calvin N Hobbes has violated R101.

/dev/joe's Reasoning:
  Calvin N Hobbes called for a witchhunt on himself 239 times.

Since the "blanket protection" fix of rule 592 (and probably before it as
well), witchhunts may only be called by rule 729:

  If, in a public message, a player refers to the Earth being round,
  or implies that this may be the case, any other player may call for
  a Witchhunt, by publically posting that they are doing so.

This says a player may call for _a_ witchhunt when a player refers to the
Earth being round in a public message.  CNH sent only one such message,
for which tinan had already called for a witchhunt.  CNH may be excused for
calling the first witchhunt, since he may not have have seen tinan's message
yet.  The last 238 are illegal.

However, it also says any _other_ player may call for a witchhunt.
I interpret this to mean that a player cannot call for a witchhunt on
himself under any circumstances, since there is no other way permitted
by the rules for calling a witchhunt.  Thus all 239 of the witchhunts
CNH called for are illegal.

Suggested Penalty:
  14 days in Gaol, and a fine of A$239 (A$1 for each invalid witchhunt
called)

this is not a name's Reasoning:

It is clear from R729 that a player may not call a witchhunt on himself.

According to Rule 592, a Protected action may not be performed except as
specified by the rules. Since CnH's 239 witchhunts were not done as
specified by the rules, they were not performed, and therefore had no
game effect.

The question comes down to whether it is illegal to attempt to perform a
prohibited (and therefore impossible) action. I hold, in the absence of
evidence to the contrary, that it is not.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:31:39 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1041

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Proposal 1041 - Thu Jul 25 02:01:10 EDT 1996
> Protect #2
> snowgod  (Phil Ackley)
> 
> Transmute R106 to Immutable

I believe snowgod retracted this. I would still vote on it, or risk
being put on vacation (which doesn't mean much now), or losing points
for failing to vote when quorum is not met.

Until that proposal retraction thing is fixed, retracted proposal voting
results should still be released, I suppose. We might as well start 
following the rules on that now, unless someone presents a counter 
argument.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 23:36:49 -0400
From: this is not a name <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1032

I urge all players to vote against P1032, CFJ Casino. It's very 
dangerous. For example:

>7) The House, the first judge-designate of the CFJ, and the initiator of
>the CFJ are explicity excluded from betting on the particular CFJ.

Say player A is the first judge-designate of the the CFJ and A declines 
to judge. Say player B is then selected. That player can decide the 
verdict, then place a bet and be assured of a payback. This is clearly a 
loophole, and I would suggest that Malenkai retract the proposal and 
correct this flaw. (If this was intentional, I suggest that Malenkai 
explain why.) Another flaw related to this one is that if player B bets 
on the CFJ before A declines it, and B is subsequently assigned the CFJ, 
B has a vested interest in ruling a particular way.

In addition, this proposal opens up dangerous potential for bribery, 
"insider trading," etc.

             this is not a name            [email-masked]
Appointer - Historian - File Clerk - Acting Senator - Priest - Swinger

- --
        Mike Epstein     [email-masked]     Long Island, NY
"I mean, it's a great story. It's got some great things in it. I mean,
 there's something like eight violent deaths." --Mel Gibson on Hamlet
http://www.nyiq.net/~epstein/          Finger for PGP 2.6.2 public key

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:39:17 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1052

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Proposal 1052 - Thu Jul 25 14:11:46 EDT 1996
> snowgod's blizzard
> snowgod  (Phil Ackley)
> 
> {{ snowgod's score is changed to -50 . Any player with a negitive score,
> other than snowgod, is set to 36}}

Does this mean the *player* is set to 36 if the player has a negative
score?

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:51:19 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1032

this is not a name wrote:

This proposal opens up potential for fun. Certainly more fun than
those tedious witchhunts, one after the other.
 
> I urge all players to vote against P1032, CFJ Casino. It's very
> dangerous. For example:
> 
> >7) The House, the first judge-designate of the CFJ, and the initiator of
> >the CFJ are explicity excluded from betting on the particular CFJ.
> 
> Say player A is the first judge-designate of the the CFJ[ and it goes
> to B...]

I thought of this. I also thought that R 215 specifies that "judgements
must be made in accordance with the rules". Having a bet on a CFJ should
not affect a Judge following the rules. A turkey of a verdict may always
be appealed, and the Judge's bet will always be made public. Are you
afraid of people cheating at Nomic?
 
> In addition, this proposal opens up dangerous potential for bribery,
> "insider trading," etc.

This is false. The rule specifically prohibits the behaviour mentioned
in the above quote. We are all playing this game under the assumption that
people are making a good faith attempt to follow the rules. This is no
different. If that assumption is compromised, we should not even bother to
play.

For example, I could choose judges at will as CotC. Wayne or /dev/joe 
could cheat in the performance of their jobs. If we cannot have some
faith that people are following the rules, and will follow the rules in
CFJ Casino which prohibit discussion of the verdict, then we are wasting
our time.

Vote YES for CFJ Casino. It could be fun. Worst case: A couple people 
cheat, and we repeal it, after the verdicts are appealed. Whats the
big deal about A$50 anyway, this is not real life.

Malenkai
 
>              this is not a name            [email-masked]
> Appointer - Historian - File Clerk - Acting Senator - Priest - Swinger

Acting Chess-Umpire as well :)

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:03:16 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ Casino followup

I forgot the most obvious things on tinan's argument, because its been
so long since I wrote CFJ Casino.

If player B (to become judge B) bet on the verdict, then player B
obviously believes the verdict should be X. If player B is then selected
as Judge B, it is not a conflict of interest to judge it with verdict
X, only a following of the rules.

This argument is of lower precedence and inportance than my previous one,
though.

Also, what is to stop bribery on CFJ's now? All financial transactions
must be reported. CFJ Casino does not change the landscape in this
regard in any way.

Third, where were your comments when I put the thing through RFC? I
could have settled your fears then.

Vote YES on CFJ Casino. Lets have FUN.

Malenkai
FUN Party

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:11:58 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Festival of Torkola

I note that when P 1012 was rejected, we had a Festival of Torkola. I
hope everyone enjoyed it :)

From R 797:

>      5c) Upon rejection of 3 consecutive proposals due to Quorum not
>being met, a Festival of 5 days will automatically start on the day
>following the public disclosure of the 3rd failure...

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:17:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Registrar & Scorekeeper's reports

As Malenkai has pointed out, Rule 457 conflicts with Immutable rule 111, and
has been this way ever since proposal 732 amended it.

This has several weird side-effects.

1. Players on vacation may be selected at random for things such as
judgements and phoebe.  Note, though, that by R691 vacationing players
may not be declared deadbeat judges and the "no dead players"-style
message does not get sent.  However, the judge still loses 10 points
by rule 588.

2. Except for functional offices and a couple offices that specifically
say something about going on vacation, there is no provision for
appointing someone to perform the duties of players who have gone on
vacation.  Thus the players appointed to perform the senators' duty could
not vote on confirmation, and we revert back to the thread in which
pTang1001001sos was confirmed as justice.  Fortunately, he resigned
and I re-appointed mr cwm as justice, so we don't have a problem there.
I am still Acting Registrar by rule 612.

3. There are no general limitations on the game actions vacationing
players can perform.  They can vote, make proposals, etc.  Vacationing
players who do not vote are considered to have abstained and this does
count against quorum.  This makes proposals 1010-1012 fail by quorum
rather than by not having enough yes votes.  I will adjust the scores
appropriately.  This affects the scores at the time of the last bond
cycle.  No other proposals since 732 are affected by this, though there
are a few (794, and some of the ones from that last bunch since 958)
which have *exactly* enough votes to make quorum (the recent ones like
this have exactly 12 out of the 24 registered players voting).

4. Players cannot arbitrarily put themselves onto or return from vacation,
except if they are in Gaol (rule 709 allows it).  Thus the players who
were on vacation when proposal 732 passed are still on vacation, and
only vacations imposed by other rules have occurred.  I know of no
such vacations, except the ones from when proposals 1010-1012 failed.
Note that rule 207 excludes players on vacation from the 5 point
penalty and being placed on vacation again, although the predecessors
to the current R207 did not do so.

5. To the best of my knowledge, these players were on vacation when
proposal 732 passed (May 16, 22:28 EDT), and thus have been on vacation
ever since:

  fon
  chess piece face
  Simon Marty Harriman
  Robert Sevin

6. Robert Sevin's attempt to return from vacation failed.  These attempts to
go on vacation, and probably others not listed here, failed to do anything:
  Brinjal, July 24
  Calvin N Hobbes, July 17, July 25
  Mellon, July 17
  Niccolo Flychuck, July 14
  Pascal, July 13
  pTang1001001sos, July 11 (darn, I was about to assign a mad hatter for him)
  The Great Old One, June 4
  mr cwm, when the hurricane was coming
  Bascule, July 10th or so

7. These players were placed on vacation, and lost 5 points each, when
proposal 1010's voting period ended:
  Robin Hood
  Brinjal
  Bascule
  Techno
  Mellon
  The Great Old One
  Calvin N Hobbes
  pTang1001001sos
  Pascal
(Four others who did not vote on this proposal were already on vacation.)

8. Niccolo Flychuck got the penalty when P1011 failed to meet quorum.
No additional players were penalized when P1012 failed.

9. Scoring effects.  The entries below are being removed from the pointlog:

Jul 18 23:50 EDT: -8 Niccolo Flychuck: p1010 (author,yes)
Jul 18 23:50 EDT: +1 snowgod: p1010 (yes)
Jul 18 23:50 EDT: +1 this is not a name: p1010 (yes)
Jul 18 23:50 EDT: +1 /dev/joe: p1010 (yes)
Jul 18 23:50 EDT: +1 mr cwm: p1010 (yes)
Jul 21 00:55 EDT: -8 snowgod: p1011 (yes)
Jul 21 00:55 EDT: +1 Robin Hood: p1011 (yes)
Jul 21 00:55 EDT: +1 Malenkai: p1011 (yes)
Jul 21 00:55 EDT: +1 this is not a name: p1011 (yes)
Jul 21 00:55 EDT: +1 Habeous Corpus: p1011 (yes)
Jul 21 00:55 EDT: +1 Wayne: p1011 (yes)
Jul 21 00:56 EDT: -8 snowgod: p1012 (author,yes)
Jul 21 00:56 EDT: +1 Robin Hood: p1012 (yes)
Jul 21 00:56 EDT: +1 this is not a name: p1012 (yes)
Jul 21 00:56 EDT: +1 /dev/joe: p1012 (yes)
Jul 21 00:56 EDT: +1 mr cwm: p1012 (yes)

The entries below are being added to the pointlog:

Jul 18 23:50 EDT: -5 Robin Hood: p1010 (abstain)
Jul 18 23:50 EDT: -5 Brinjal: p1010 (abstain)
Jul 18 23:50 EDT: -5 Bascule: p1010 (abstain)
Jul 18 23:50 EDT: -5 Techno: p1010 (abstain)
Jul 18 23:50 EDT: -5 Mellon: p1010 (abstain)
Jul 18 23:50 EDT: -5 The Great Old One: p1010 (abstain)
Jul 18 23:50 EDT: -5 Calvin N Hobbes: p1010 (abstain)
Jul 18 23:50 EDT: -5 pTang1001001sos: p1010 (abstain)
Jul 18 23:50 EDT: -5 Pascal: p1010 (abstain)
Jul 21 00:55 EDT: -5 Niccolo Flychuck: p1011 (abstain)

This results in these scores (the current scores include Brinjal and
Bascule's phoebe posts and snowgod's retraction of p1041):

Score	Score22	Score8	Ackanomic Name   Status  Real Name
- -----	-------	------	--------------      ---  -------------
118	138	66	/dev/joe             A   (Joseph DeVincentis) 
52	53	18	this is not a name   A   (Mike Epstein) 
35	35	18	Techno               A   (Jerome Herrman) 
32	32	0	Kelly Martin         A   (Kelly Martin) 
26	26	12	pTang1001001sos      V   (Mark Nau)   
30	24	13	Bascule              A   (Matt Black) 
23	23	8	Mellon               V   (Niklas Mellin)
22	22	0	Habeous Corpus       A   (Ed Graham)
20	20	1	Robin Hood           A   (R Shaw) 
16	16	3	mr cwm               A   (Eric Murray) 
14	34 [*]	-11	Malenkai             A   (Randy Hall) 
11	11	-7	De'ghew              A   (John Spickes) 
10	4	-5	Brinjal              A   (Simon Clarke) 
2	2	9	ThinMan              V   (John Bollinger) 
0	0	0	chess piece face     V   (Paul Swan) 
0	0	0	fon                  V   (Adrian Smith) 
0	0	0	Simon Marty Harriman V   (Andy Swan) 
- -2	-2	0	Robert Sevin         A   (Mitchell Harding) 
- -5	-5	0	The Great Old One    V   (Sean Crystal) 
- -11	-11	11	Niccolo Flychuck     V   (Uri Bruck) 
- -24	-24	-19	Calvin N Hobbes      V   (Thierry Joffrain)
- -24	-24	-20	Pascal               V   (Jason Reed) 
- -38	-36	-3	snowgod              A   (Phil Ackley) 
- -43	-43	-41	Wayne                A   (Wayne Sheppard) 

Thus, snowgod didn't become the gnome buddy on P1011 as was previously
reported.  The gnome's vote on P1012 must be changed to NO, though it
matters very little.

I still had 158 points when I tried to claim the trombone, so I still
lost it immediately.

10. Due to Brinjal's vacation, the functional office of Gaoler is vacant
and by rule 612, the appointer is the acting Gaoler unless/until he
appoints someone else to do it.

11. In other news: observer Tiernan Ray stopped observing.

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