Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #86
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest        Wednesday, July 3 1996        Volume 01 : Number 086

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:16:44 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Prop 926 Fails

Here are the voting results for : 926
  Proposal 926 - Wed Jun 26 02:09:32 EDT 1996
  Massive Repeals
  Wayne  (Wayne Sheppard)

Quorum met : 17 eligible voters -- 14 players cast votes

8 YES votes   8 NO votes   0 PRESENT votes
Proposal FAILS

Wayne loses 9 points.  1 -> -8

8 YES votes:  1 point each
  ThinMan                Nobs                   0 -> 1            
  De'ghew                Underworld             2 -> 3            
  Nobs Unity vote                             =   0               
  Kelly Martin           Nobs                   0 -> 1            
  /dev/joe               Nobs                  11 -> 12           
  pTang1001001sos                               3 -> 4            
  Wayne                  Underworld            -8 -> -7           
  Mohammed               Nobs                   3 -> 4            

8 NO votes:  
  Robin Hood                                  =   1               
  Niccolo Flychuck                            =   1               
  Bascule                                     =   2               
  snowgod                (None Yet)           =   5               
  this is not a name     (None Yet)           =   5               
  Techno                 Underworld           =   1               
  (None Yet) Unity vote                        =   0               
  mr cwm                 (None Yet)           =   4               

0 PRESENT votes:

3 ABSTENTIONS:
  Brinjal                                     
  Calvin N Hobbes                             
  Pascal                                      

Players on Vacation who did not vote:
  fon                                         
  The Great Old One                           
  chess piece face       Foozball             
  Simon Marty Harriman   Foozball             
  Foozball Unity vote                         
  Robert Sevin           Foozball             

- ------------------------
Tammany Bribes:
15 from mr cwm for Silent
5  from this is not a name for NO
- ------------------------

====================================================
Wayne, your friendly Tabulator
====================================================

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:17:31 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Prop 927 Fails

Here are the voting results for : 927
  Proposal 927 - Wed Jun 26 02:12:56 EDT 1996
   Kill the Rules I Hate part 1
  Wayne  (Wayne Sheppard)

Quorum met : 17 eligible voters -- 14 players cast votes

9 YES votes   6 NO votes   1 PRESENT votes
Proposal FAILS

Wayne loses 9 points.  -7 -> -16

9 YES votes:  1 point each
  Robin Hood                                    1 -> 2            
  ThinMan                Nobs                   1 -> 2            
  Niccolo Flychuck                              1 -> 2            
  Nobs Unity vote                             =   0               
  Kelly Martin           Nobs                   1 -> 2            
  /dev/joe               Nobs                  12 -> 13           
  pTang1001001sos                               4 -> 5            
  Wayne                  Underworld           -16 -> -15          
  Mohammed               Nobs                   4 -> 5            

6 NO votes:  
  De'ghew                Underworld           =   3               
  snowgod                (None Yet)           =   5               
  this is not a name     (None Yet)           =   5               
  Techno                 Underworld           =   1               
  (None Yet) Unity vote                        =   0               
  mr cwm                 (None Yet)           =   4               

1 PRESENT votes:
  Bascule                                      =   2

3 ABSTENTIONS:
  Brinjal                                     
  Calvin N Hobbes                             
  Pascal                                      

Players on Vacation who did not vote:
  fon                                         
  The Great Old One                           
  chess piece face       Foozball             
  Simon Marty Harriman   Foozball             
  Foozball Unity vote                         
  Robert Sevin           Foozball             

- ------------------------
Tammany Bribes:
15 from mr cwm for Silent
5  from this is not a name for NO
- ------------------------

====================================================
Wayne, your friendly Tabulator
====================================================

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:17:56 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Prop 928 Fails

Here are the voting results for : 928
  Proposal 928 - Wed Jun 26 02:13:28 EDT 1996
   Kill the Rules I Hate part 2
  Wayne  (Wayne Sheppard)

Quorum met : 17 eligible voters -- 14 players cast votes

7 YES votes   9 NO votes   0 PRESENT votes
Proposal FAILS

Wayne loses 9 points.  -15 -> -24

7 YES votes:  1 point each
  ThinMan                Nobs                   2 -> 3            
  Nobs Unity vote                             =   0               
  Kelly Martin           Nobs                   2 -> 3            
  /dev/joe               Nobs                  13 -> 14           
  pTang1001001sos                               5 -> 6            
  Wayne                  Underworld           -24 -> -23          
  Mohammed               Nobs                   5 -> 6            

9 NO votes:  
  Robin Hood                                  =   2               
  Niccolo Flychuck                            =   2               
  De'ghew                Underworld           =   3               
  Bascule                                     =   2               
  snowgod                (None Yet)           =   5               
  this is not a name     (None Yet)           =   5               
  Techno                 Underworld           =   1               
  (None Yet) Unity vote                        =   0               
  mr cwm                 (None Yet)           =   4               

0 PRESENT votes:

3 ABSTENTIONS:
  Brinjal                                     
  Calvin N Hobbes                             
  Pascal                                      

Players on Vacation who did not vote:
  fon                                         
  The Great Old One                           
  chess piece face       Foozball             
  Simon Marty Harriman   Foozball             
  Foozball Unity vote                         
  Robert Sevin           Foozball             

- ------------------------
Tammany Bribes:
15 from mr cwm for Silent
5  from this is not a name for NO
- ------------------------

====================================================
Wayne, your friendly Tabulator
====================================================

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:18:30 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Prop 929 Fails

Here are the voting results for : 929
  Proposal 929 - Wed Jun 26 02:14:01 EDT 1996
   Kill the Rules I Hate part 3
  Wayne  (Wayne Sheppard)

Quorum met : 17 eligible voters -- 14 players cast votes

5 YES votes   8 NO votes   2 PRESENT votes
Proposal FAILS

Wayne loses 9 points.  -23 -> -32

5 YES votes:  1 point each
  Niccolo Flychuck                              2 -> 3            
  Kelly Martin           Nobs                   3 -> 4            
  pTang1001001sos                               6 -> 7            
  Wayne                  Underworld           -32 -> -31          
  Mohammed               Nobs                   6 -> 7            

8 NO votes:  
  Robin Hood                                  =   2               
  De'ghew                Underworld           =   3               
  Bascule                                     =   2               
  snowgod                (None Yet)           =   5               
  this is not a name     (None Yet)           =   5               
  Techno                 Underworld           =   1               
  (None Yet) Unity vote                        =   0               
  mr cwm                 (None Yet)           =   4               

2 PRESENT votes:
  ThinMan                Nobs                  =   3
  /dev/joe               Nobs                  =  14

3 ABSTENTIONS:
  Brinjal                                     
  Calvin N Hobbes                             
  Pascal                                      

Players on Vacation who did not vote:
  fon                                         
  The Great Old One                           
  chess piece face       Foozball             
  Simon Marty Harriman   Foozball             
  Foozball Unity vote                         
  Robert Sevin           Foozball             

- ------------------------
Tammany Bribes:
15 from mr cwm for Silent
5  from this is not a name for NO
- ------------------------

====================================================
Wayne, your friendly Tabulator
====================================================

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:21:17 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Prop 930 Fails

Here are the voting results for : 930
  Proposal 930 - Wed Jun 26 02:14:51 EDT 1996
   Kill the Rules I Hate part 4
  Wayne  (Wayne Sheppard)

Quorum met : 17 eligible voters -- 14 players cast votes

5 YES votes   9 NO votes   1 PRESENT votes
Proposal FAILS

Wayne loses 9 points.  -31 -> -40

5 YES votes:  1 point each
  Kelly Martin           Nobs                   4 -> 5            
  /dev/joe               Nobs                  14 -> 15           
  pTang1001001sos                               7 -> 8            
  Wayne                  Underworld           -40 -> -39          
  Mohammed               Nobs                   7 -> 8            

9 NO votes:  
  Robin Hood                                  =   2               
  ThinMan                Nobs                 =   3               
  Niccolo Flychuck                            =   3               
  De'ghew                Underworld           =   3               
  snowgod                (None Yet)           =   5               
  this is not a name     (None Yet)           =   5               
  Techno                 Underworld           =   1               
  (None Yet) Unity vote                        =   0               
  mr cwm                 (None Yet)           =   4               

1 PRESENT votes:
  Bascule                                      =   2

3 ABSTENTIONS:
  Brinjal                                     
  Calvin N Hobbes                             
  Pascal                                      

Players on Vacation who did not vote:
  fon                                         
  The Great Old One                           
  chess piece face       Foozball             
  Simon Marty Harriman   Foozball             
  Foozball Unity vote                         
  Robert Sevin           Foozball             

- ------------------------
Tammany Bribes:
15 from mr cwm for Silent
5  from this is not a name for NO
- ------------------------

====================================================
Wayne, your friendly Tabulator
====================================================

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:22:42 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Prop 932 Fails

Here are the voting results for : 932
  Proposal 932 - Wed Jun 26 02:16:22 EDT 1996
   Kill the Rules I Hate part 6
  Wayne  (Wayne Sheppard)

Quorum met : 18 eligible voters -- 15 players cast votes

10 YES votes   6 NO votes   0 PRESENT votes
Proposal FAILS

Wayne loses 9 points.  -47 -> -56

10 YES votes:  1 point each
  Robin Hood                                    2 -> 3            
  ThinMan                Nobs                   4 -> 5            
  De'ghew                Underworld             4 -> 5            
  Nobs Unity vote                             =   0               
  Kelly Martin           Nobs                   6 -> 7            
  /dev/joe               Nobs                  16 -> 17           
  mr cwm                 (None Yet)             4 -> 5            
  pTang1001001sos                               8 -> 9            
  Wayne                  Underworld           -56 -> -55          
  Mohammed               Nobs                   9 -> 10           

6 NO votes:  
  Niccolo Flychuck                            =   3               
  Bascule                                     =   2               
  snowgod                (None Yet)           =   5               
  this is not a name     (None Yet)           =   5               
  Techno                 Underworld           =   1               
  Tammany                                     =   0               

0 PRESENT votes:

3 ABSTENTIONS:
  Brinjal                                     
  Calvin N Hobbes                             
  Pascal                                      

Players on Vacation who did not vote:
  fon                                         
  The Great Old One                           
  chess piece face       Foozball             
  Simon Marty Harriman   Foozball             
  Foozball Unity vote                         
  Robert Sevin           Foozball             

- ------------------------
Tammany Bribes:
5  from this is not a name for NO
- ------------------------

====================================================
Wayne, your friendly Tabulator
====================================================

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:22:04 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Prop 931 Fails

Here are the voting results for : 931
  Proposal 931 - Wed Jun 26 02:15:40 EDT 1996
   Kill the Rules I Hate part 5
  Wayne  (Wayne Sheppard)

Quorum met : 17 eligible voters -- 14 players cast votes

7 YES votes   9 NO votes   0 PRESENT votes
Proposal FAILS

Wayne loses 9 points.  -39 -> -48

7 YES votes:  1 point each
  ThinMan                Nobs                   3 -> 4            
  De'ghew                Underworld             3 -> 4            
  Nobs Unity vote                             =   0               
  Kelly Martin           Nobs                   5 -> 6            
  /dev/joe               Nobs                  15 -> 16           
  Wayne                  Underworld           -48 -> -47          
  Mohammed               Nobs                   8 -> 9            

9 NO votes:  
  Robin Hood                                  =   2               
  Niccolo Flychuck                            =   3               
  Bascule                                     =   2               
  snowgod                (None Yet)           =   5               
  this is not a name     (None Yet)           =   5               
  Techno                 Underworld           =   1               
  (None Yet) Unity vote                        =   0               
  mr cwm                 (None Yet)           =   4               
  pTang1001001sos                             =   8               

0 PRESENT votes:

3 ABSTENTIONS:
  Brinjal                                     
  Calvin N Hobbes                             
  Pascal                                      

Players on Vacation who did not vote:
  fon                                         
  The Great Old One                           
  chess piece face       Foozball             
  Simon Marty Harriman   Foozball             
  Foozball Unity vote                         
  Robert Sevin           Foozball             

- ------------------------
Tammany Bribes:
15 from mr cwm for Silent
5  from this is not a name for NO
- ------------------------

====================================================
Wayne, your friendly Tabulator
====================================================

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:23:16 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Prop 925 Fails

Here are the voting results for : 925
  Proposal 925 - Wed Jun 26 00:24:08 EDT 1996
  This is a GAME, not third grade
  Malenkai  (Randy Hall)

Quorum met : 17 eligible voters -- 14 players cast votes

3 YES votes   12 NO votes   0 PRESENT votes
Proposal FAILS

Malenkai loses 9 points.  -45 -> -54

3 YES votes:  1 point each
  snowgod                (None Yet)             5 -> 6            
  this is not a name     (None Yet)             5 -> 6            
  Techno                 Underworld             1 -> 2            

12 NO votes:  
  Robin Hood                                  =   3               
  ThinMan                Nobs                 =   5               
  Niccolo Flychuck                            =   3               
  De'ghew                Underworld           =   5               
  Bascule                                     =   2               
  Nobs Unity vote                             =   0               
  Kelly Martin           Nobs                 =   7               
  /dev/joe               Nobs                 =  17               
  mr cwm                 (None Yet)           =   5               
  pTang1001001sos                             =   9               
  Wayne                  Underworld           = -55               
  Mohammed               Nobs                 =  10               

0 PRESENT votes:

3 ABSTENTIONS:
  Brinjal                                     
  Calvin N Hobbes                             
  Pascal                                      

Players on Vacation who did not vote:
  fon                                         
  The Great Old One                           
  chess piece face       Foozball             
  Simon Marty Harriman   Foozball             
  Foozball Unity vote                         
  Robert Sevin           Foozball             

New players who are not active:

====================================================
Wayne, your friendly Tabulator
====================================================

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:45:14 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Acka: The Gnome has died :(

According to Rule 692, the Voting Gnome has passed away.  I, the current
Gnome Buddy, am weeping over his lifeless body.  I look down at the half-eaten
potatoe clutched in his left hand.  I knew I should not have left the
potatoe where he could have found it.  I reach down and put my hand over
the gnome's heart.

WAIT!  There is a lump in the gnome's pocket.  I hurredly reach into the
pocket and withdraw a purple Gumball.  If only he had chewed it last Thursday.
Then in a flash of light I am knocked backwards.  The Gnome and the Magic
Potatoe are consumed by some mysterious force and removed from the game.

Wayne

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:47:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic:  Judgement 211

Doesn't R422 essentially prohibit multiple winners by changing the maginc
number automatically (in addtion the the changes various players are
enjoying bringing about) whenever it is the same as more than one players
score.  (I'm assuming one way to "reach" the magic number is by having
someone set it to one's score.)

I might be in the same position Kelly Martin (I think) was yesterday, not
wanting to attempt to overturn a descion by appeal, but disagreeing
strongly with the reasoning.  Or have I missed something here? 

- -mr cwm

On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Mohammed wrote:

> Judgement 211
>   Subject:  Oh no, not more Fruit Juice!
> Initiator:  Malenkai
>     Judge:  /dev/joe (selected Jul 2, 1996, 22:45h New York Time)
> Judgement:  False
> 
> Statement:
> > The legality of Malenkai making Right-Handed Grapefruit Juice cannot
> > be determined with finality.
> 
> Malenkai's comments:
> >     Malenkai's claim: By R219, I claim a win by paradox pending a
> >     verdict of TRUE on the following CFJ:
> >     
> >     The legality of Malenkai making Right-Handed Grapefruit Juice cannot
> >     be determined with finality.
> >     
> >     The following has occurred:
> >     
> >     1) ThinMan has changed n to 6, which happened to be his score, and
> >     thus has won by R 110.
> >    
> >     2) Upon that occurring, R 666 applied, because winning the game
> >     applies the same process as winning the cycle (qv R 904).
> >
> >     3) At that point, all scores were set to 0 (qv R 666)
> >     
> >     4) Then pTang1001001sos changed n to every integer between -200 and
> >     200, causing everyone to win, as everyone's score was in that range
> >     (0). Thus everyone has won, invoking R 666 for every player.
> >     
> >     The problem arises in that we do not know the order in which R 666
> >     was invoked with respect to the players, and hence we do not, indeed
> >     cannot, know who happens to possess the Right-Handed Grapefruit.
> >     Note that not everyone can have one, as R 867 is rather explicit
> >     about the quantity of such fruit:
> >    
> >    > Only one may exist at any time.
> >     
> >     (Nor can such fruit be divided amongst the winners, as R 867 is
> >     rather explicit about the ways such entities may be manipulated (see
> >     below))
> >     
> >     Thus it cannot be determined with finality whether Malenkai has the
> >     Right-Handed Grapefruit. Since that is the case, it cannot be
> >     determined whether it is legal for him to make the Right-Handed
> >     Grapefruit Juice. Note that there is no *other* legal way to make
> >     such Juice, R 867 is again clear:
> >
> >    > (a) Chartreuse Goose Eggs, Right-Handed Grapefruits, and
> >    > Right-Handed Grapefruit Juice may only be created, destroyed, or
> >    > manipulated as the Rules specify.
> >
> >     The only way the rules specify to make (manipulate/create) the Juice
> >     is R 867, and that requires a RHG, which we cannot determine if
> >     Malenkai has.
> >     
> >     Of course, if any of the premises of this argument, namely 1-4
> >     above, are shown FALSE, this CFJ must be judged FALSE. Otherwise, it
> >     must be judged TRUE.
> 
> /dev/joe's comments:
> > If part 1 of the reasoning is incorrect, i.e., if setting n to your score
> > does not result in you winning the game, then nobody else won from pTang's
> > action, either, and Malenkai cannot make RHG Juice.
> > 
> > If part 1 of the reasoning is correct, then it follows that parts 2, 3,
> > and 4 have also occurred.  Malenkai's logic in these steps is unarguable.
> > Indeed, it has been declared that all players won the game, simultaneously.
> > By rule 904, all players have won the cycle.
> > 
> > Now what remains to be determined is what rule 666 does.
> > 
> > Rule 666 begins: "Whenever there is a winner declared, the following
> > process shall be conducted:"
> > 
> > The phrase "Whenever there is a winner declared" seems ambiguous in
> > the case when more than one player wins simultaneously.  It could mean
> > any of:
> >   (a) 666a-m isn't done at all, because it only occurs when _a_ (precisely
> >       one) winner is declared.
> >   (b) 666a-m is done once, during which time all players are considered
> >       winners (i.e., at any time one or more winners are declared)
> >   (c) 666a-m is done many times simultaneously, once for each player
> >       declared to be a winner
> > 
> > In this situation, by rule 215, I should consider game custom and the
> > spirit of the game.  We've never had multiple winners at the same time,
> > so there is no custom for that, but let's consider other events occurring
> > in multiples, simultaneously.
> > 
> > In rule 612, part (vi) begins: "Whenever a Functional Office has a vacant
> > Seat, the Appointer shall conduct a Nomination for that Seat."  We've had
> > multiple functional offices vacant before, and the appointer has conducted
> > multiple nominations, simultaneously, for those offices.
> > 
> > Rule 665 says "Whenever the Rules specify that a Player should receive A$,
> > and do not indicate where those A$ should come from, they shall come from
> > the Treasury."  Rule 565 (which gives out dividends on PF bonds) doesn't
> > say where the A$ players get comes from, so this part of rule 665 is in
> > effect in these cases, and generally multiple players get A$ simultaneously
> > in these cases, and all the A$ were simultaneously taken from the treasury.
> > 
> > Given this game custom, I judge interpretation (c) to be the correct one.
> > 
> > Note that there should not be any reason for one invocation of the rule to
> > occur faster or slower than any other, so in the spirit of the game, I
> > interpret all 23 invocations of each step to happen simultaneously.
> > 
> > So what happens when the procedure in Rule 666 parts a-m is carried out,
> > several times, simultaneously?  
> > 
> > a) Ackanomic play is suspended.
> > 
> > It doesn't matter if you do this once, or 23 times together, it has the
> > same result.
> > 
> > b) All Chartreuse Goose Eggs and Right-Handed Grapefruit are eliminated.
> > 
> > Ditto here.  Now there are no CGE's or RHG's.
> > 
> > c) The winner is declared winner of the cycle, and given a Right-Handed
> >    Grapefruit, should such an entity be defined by the Rules.
> > 
> > OK, this claims to give each winner a RHG.  This part is in conflict with
> > rule 867 which says there may be only one RHG at any time, but rule 666
> > has precedence, by the numerical method, since neither claims precedence.
> > Therefore, everybody gets a RHG.
> > 
> > d) All players who have zero or fewer points are given a Chartreuse
> >    Goose Egg, should such an entity be defined by the Rules.
> > 
> > _Each_ invocation of the rule gives _each_ player a CGE.  Now everybody
> > has 23 CGE's.  I hope an egg fight doesn't start. ;-)
> > 
> > e) 20% (round down) of each Player's A$ balance is transferred to the
> >    Treasury.  The winner shall pay only 10% (round down), however.
> > 
> > Oops.  Each player loses 20% (rounded down) of their A$ balance 22 times
> > simultaneously, as well as 10% rounded down once.  If no rounding occurred,
> > this is 450% of their A$ balance.  Unless somebody had so little A$ that 20%
> > rounded down was zero, this just put everybody into debt.  See rule 511.
> > 
> > f) In every instance where a Player owns Bonds issued in another Player's
> >    name, 25% (round up) of such Bonds will revert back to the Player in
> >    whose name the Bonds were issued.
> > 
> > All players get all their own bonds back.
> > 
> > g) Each Player is awarded A$ equal to his point total, not to exceed
> >    the number of points required to win.
> > 
> > This is zero.  Nothing happens.
> > 
> > h) Bond payments are held in suspension.
> > i) All Players' points are set to zero.
> > j) Bond payments are reinstituted and a new two-week bond cycle begins.
> > 
> > Nothing happens here either.
> > 
> > k) The game cycle number is incremented.
> > 
> > The game cycle number is incremented 23 times.  ThinMan's win was in cycle 5,
> > so everybody won cycle 6, and then this brings us up to cycle 29.
> > 
> > m) Ackanomic play resumes.
> > 
> > And so it does.  And in this case, Malenkai does in fact gave a RHG, so
> > he can make RHG Juice.
> > 
> > All that is left to be determined is whether ThinMan won the game.
> > Whether he did or didn't doesn't matter, as long as it can be decided.
> > I believe that he didn't, because R110 says:
> >  "The state of affairs that constitutes winning the game may not be changed
> >   from achieving n points to any other state of affairs."
> > The state of affairs that consistuted winning the game was having exactly
> > 100 points when the game started, and later it was having exactly 257 points,
> > and finally it became having The Magic Number of points.  It was never
> > "achieving n points" so, in my opinion, that sentence of R110 has never had
> > an effect on the game.
> > 
> > Regardless, rule 110 is not written in such a way that it cannot be
> > determined with finality whether ThinMan has won.  Given that this can
> > be determined, whether Malenkai could have made RHG Juice can be
> > determined, as above.
> 
> --Mohammed
> 

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:54:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 211 (/dev/joe)

As ThinMan notes, the scores changed after he won by the passage/failure of
several proposals.  The changes were limited to 4 players losing 9 points
each and many players gaining 1 point each for one or a few YES votes.
A perusal of the voting records shows snowgod had -8 points and the other
proposers each had -7 when pTang did his little trick, but after snowgod's
win was processed, all the scores were set to zero, and then when n was 0
everybody won (including snowgod again).

As a result of this, the reasoning in my Judgement of CFJ211 is slightly
incorrect.  Assuming that all these wins are valid, snowgod won cycle 6,
and then everybody won cycle 7, and then after those wins were processed,
we are now in cycle 30.

I considered the possibility that there would be just one RHG given to
all the winners, collectively.  This happens in one of the possible
interpretations of "whenever" in that judgement.  I gave my reasoning
in the judgement for choosing to execute rule 666's procedure once for
each win, and this results in multiple RHG's, with 666 taking precedence
over 867 in this case.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:06:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic:  Judgement 211

> Doesn't R422 essentially prohibit multiple winners by changing the maginc
> number automatically (in addtion the the changes various players are
> enjoying bringing about) whenever it is the same as more than one players
> score.  (I'm assuming one way to "reach" the magic number is by having
> someone set it to one's score.)

No.  Well, it does, but only for people winning by reaching the Magic Number
simultaneously.  The Magic Number is still 257, and never changed throughout
this mess.  These people won the game by setting "n" in rule 110 equal to
their score.  By rule 904, the same (R666) procedure occurs as if they won
the cycle, and this procedure includes declaring them winner of the cycle.

I will argue that none of these events involving "n" resulted in a win
at all, because Rule 110 doesn't say a player whose score is n wins the
game, it says:
  "The state of affairs that constitutes winning the game may not be changed
   from achieving n points to any other state of affairs."

I argue that the state of affairs that constitutes winning the game has
never been achieving n points, so this sentence has never had any effect.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:09:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Gnome has died :(

> According to Rule 692, the Voting Gnome has passed away.  I, the current
> Gnome Buddy, am weeping over his lifeless body.  I look down at the
> half-eaten potatoe clutched in his left hand.  I knew I should not have
> left the potatoe where he could have found it.  I reach down and put my
> hand over the gnome's heart.

> Then in a flash of light I am knocked backwards.  The Gnome and the Magic
> Potatoe are consumed by some mysterious force and removed from the game.

Good try, Wayne.  Unfortunately there is no rule 692.  It was repealed by
proposal 836 by this is not a name.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:56:17 -0700
From: Mark Nau <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: end of the world 

I submitted the following CFJ.  I am posting it publicly only because
I know that Mohammed may be too busy to assign it for a while, and
I think it provides a solution to the mess that I created by changing
n from -200 to 200.  (Don't try this at home, kids!)

While the reasoning my be judged unsound, it may provide an avenue of
thought for other Players to find a solution.

- -pTang1001001sos

- ------

Statement: The argument below, after the header "Reasoning:" and between
the quote marks, is sound and shall be entered into game custom.

Reasoning :
"
R790 states:

>Furthermore, the game, or a cycle of the game, cannot be over until the
>Fat Lady sings.

What does this mean?

I submit that it means the cycle number cannot be incremented.  The action of
incrementing the cycle number would very strongly imply the end of the previous
cycle.  I know of no other reference to what constitutes a cycle end in the
Rules.

Here's what happened:
1) ThinMan changed n to 6, and claimed a win of the game.  This win claim was
   valid.
2) At this point, R666 triggered, executing clauses (a) through (j), and got
hung
   up before executing clause (k), waiting for the Fat Lady to sing.
3) Clause (a) of R666 says "Ackanomic play is suspended".  By CFJ 193, only
those
   activities which are analogous to "setting up a chess board" are valid during
   this period.  I submit that my changing of n does not qualify.
4) I tried to change n.  This did not happen, as it is an unacceptable action.
5) Malenkai stated that the Fat Lady is singing.  I submit that this is a
"setting
   up" activity, as it triggers the change in cycle number.
6) R666 executes clause (k), incrementing the cycle number, then (m), resuming
   Ackanomic play.
"

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:50:06 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 959

Proposal 959 - Wed Jul 03 12:50:05 EDT 1996
Magic Monday
Wayne  (Wayne Sheppard)

Proposals that are distributed by the Promoter on Mondays shall be
protected from corruption.  Only votes cast by players shall be
counted on these proposals.  The day listed on the first header
line of the proposal shall be used to determine which day the
proposal was distributed on.

The Voting Gnome shall not vote on these proposals.  This takes
precedence over Rule 355.

The Tammany shall abstain on these proposals.  This takes precedence
over Rule 554.

No Extra Votes shall be allowed on these proposals.  This takes precedence
over Rule 566.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:26:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Prop 925 Fails

> Here are the voting results for : 925
>   Proposal 925 - Wed Jun 26 00:24:08 EDT 1996
>   This is a GAME, not third grade
>   Malenkai  (Randy Hall)
> 
> Quorum met : 17 eligible voters -- 14 players cast votes
> 
> 3 YES votes   12 NO votes   0 PRESENT votes
> Proposal FAILS
> 
> Malenkai loses 9 points.  -45 -> -54
> 
> 3 YES votes:  1 point each
>   snowgod                (None Yet)             5 -> 6            
>   this is not a name     (None Yet)             5 -> 6            
>   Techno                 Underworld             1 -> 2            

It looks like Wayne processed this one twice by mistake.
I believe these score changes should be ignored, as they were
handled once already:

> Here are the voting results for : 925
>   Proposal 925 - Wed Jun 26 00:24:08 EDT 1996
>   This is a GAME, not third grade
>   Malenkai  (Randy Hall)
> 
> Quorum met : 17 eligible voters -- 14 players cast votes
> 
> 3 YES votes   12 NO votes   0 PRESENT votes
> Proposal FAILS
> 
> Malenkai loses 9 points.  -36 -> -45
> 
> 3 YES votes:  1 point each
>   snowgod                (None Yet)             4 -> 5            
>   this is not a name     (None Yet)             4 -> 5            
>   Techno                 Underworld             0 -> 1            

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:35:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ackanomic: retracting P934

Given what just happened, it appears my proposal 934, repealing the
File Clerk rule, is doomed to failure, so I hereby retract it.
1 point shall be deducted from my score.

However, I am NOT retracting P935, which repeals R829 (Handling Paradox Wins).
The companion proposal failed, but since it has already been shown by CFJ
that the rule has *no* effect, it is best to repeal it.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:56:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic:  Judgement 211

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was only wondering about the supposed mass win
of everyone whose score was zero.

- -mr cwm

On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, /dev/joe wrote:

> 
> > Doesn't R422 essentially prohibit multiple winners by changing the maginc
> > number automatically (in addtion the the changes various players are
> > enjoying bringing about) whenever it is the same as more than one players
> > score.  (I'm assuming one way to "reach" the magic number is by having
> > someone set it to one's score.)
> 
> No.  Well, it does, but only for people winning by reaching the Magic Number
> simultaneously.  The Magic Number is still 257, and never changed throughout
> this mess.  These people won the game by setting "n" in rule 110 equal to
> their score.  By rule 904, the same (R666) procedure occurs as if they won
> the cycle, and this procedure includes declaring them winner of the cycle.
> 
> I will argue that none of these events involving "n" resulted in a win
> at all, because Rule 110 doesn't say a player whose score is n wins the
> game, it says:
>   "The state of affairs that constitutes winning the game may not be changed
>    from achieving n points to any other state of affairs."
> 
> I argue that the state of affairs that constitutes winning the game has
> never been achieving n points, so this sentence has never had any effect.
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:29:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic:  Judgement 211

mr cwm wrote:
> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was only wondering about the supposed mass win
> of everyone whose score was zero.

That is what I was talking about in the message you quoted.  The mass win
occurred when pTang1001001sos set n in rule 110 to have the value 0.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:09:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic:  Judgement 211

On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, /dev/joe wrote:

> mr cwm wrote:
> > Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was only wondering about the supposed mass win
> > of everyone whose score was zero.
> 
> That is what I was talking about in the message you quoted.  The mass win
> occurred when pTang1001001sos set n in rule 110 to have the value 0.
> 

OK, but what about this excerpt from R422?

"If 2 or more players reach the Magic Number at exactly the same time, as
determined by the Scorekeeper, the Magic Number shall be incremented by
13, and none of the players shall be declared winner of the cycle at that
time."

Doesn't this mean that immediately after the MN was set to 0 it became 13
(since more than one player had a score of 0), and none of the players
with a score of 0 were declared winners?  Then the MN could go on to be
set to 1, 2, etc, as the manipulating player directed.

- -mr cwm

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:40:54 -0700
From: Mark Nau <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: official (Wayne) 

I hereby withdraw my Proposals 951 and 955, taking a 2-point penalty.

- -pTang1001001sos

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