Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #52
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Ackanomic Digest        Saturday, June 15 1996        Volume 01 : Number 052

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 13:17:17 -0400
From: this is not a name <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Church of The Markovian Dream

>I believe the current speaker is Mohammed. I can act in the role in his
>absence, and I have not heard from him in about 12 hours :). Of course,
>Aunt Millie could take the job too, and no-one could CFCJ it. 
>
>I shall take the job shortly, in an acting capacity, if Mohammed's
>absence continues :)) (Thats why they give the CotC this power, so he
>or she can do something else when the justice system is shut down, to
>justify the government spending).

As far as I know, Bascule is the current speaker, because he won the 
second cycle.

Once the Constitutional Convention finishes its business, Malenkai will 
become the new speaker under 666, which will be in effect after the 
Convention.

this is not a name
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:28:08 +0300
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Re Pascal's 2 cents 

At 10:23 AM 14/06/96 -0500 , Joseph W. DeVincentis  wrote:
>Pascal wrote:

>
>> However, people's ideas of what is fun vary. In nomic, people get to argue
>> and propose various changes to the game according to what they
>> (respectively) think would make a fun game.
>
>
I, for one, find discussions fun

Nicolo Fkychuck

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:28:14 +0300
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic Digest V1 #50 

>>	"Well written" means having all the following qualities:  a single
>>meaning, brevity, proper spelling and grammar, and a good
>>industrial/techno beat (optional but it helps.)
>
>Nope. "Well written" means, "that will produce fun".
>This is a _game_ remember?
>
>>	"Useful" means having some game effect which is either well
>>integrated with the rest of the game, or very intereseting.  [Contrast: 
>>Vacation (integral), Eleusis RFC (interesting), and Party Hall (neither.)]
>>A useless rule is easy to spot because it is marginal to the rest of the
>>game.
>
The usefulness of Party Hall is in direct proportion to the role of Parties
in Ackanomic. Parties have very little role in Ackanomic, and this is
reflected in the Hall. If you, any you, any you at all, feel that parties
should have a bigger role in the game , other than the unity vote, or a
group of people who discuss a certain subjects (remember commissions,
seperate mailing lists, parties moved into that niche, because there was
niche for parties, interesting evolution) submit a proposal that will make
Part Hall reflect this role. The structure is already there, ready to be
used by all those players who complained that we not playing with what we
are making.

Nicolo Flychuck

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:35:55 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: Church of The Markovian Dream 

this is not a name wrote:
>As far as I know, Bascule is the current speaker, because he won the 
>second cycle.

Arguably, winning a cycle is not the same as winning the game.  In fact,
I so argue.

>Once the Constitutional Convention finishes its business, Malenkai will 
>become the new speaker under 666, which will be in effect after the 
>Convention.

This, however, is true under the current rule set.  Not particularly good
or useful, but true.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 15:37:31 -0400
From: this is not a name <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Church of The Markovian Dream

ThinMan wrote:

>>As far as I know, Bascule is the current speaker, because he won the 
>>second cycle.
>
>Arguably, winning a cycle is not the same as winning the game.  In fact,
>I so argue.

I can see your point, but I can also see the other side.

>>Once the Constitutional Convention finishes its business, Malenkai will 
>>become the new speaker under 666, which will be in effect after the 
>>Convention.
>
>This, however, is true under the current rule set.  Not particularly good
>or useful, but true.

Where does this distinction come from? I can't see anything in 829 that 
would make a paradox winner speaker where a points winner would not 
become speaker.

this is not a name
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Candidate for Delegate: vote now to [email-masked]

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 I don't understand this whole -- you can't do one thing at once.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:43:23 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: Church of The Markovian Dream 

this is not a name wrote:
>ThinMan wrote:
>>>As far as I know, Bascule is the current speaker, because he won the 
>>>second cycle.
>>
>>Arguably, winning a cycle is not the same as winning the game.  In fact,
>>I so argue.
>
>I can see your point, but I can also see the other side.
>
>>>Once the Constitutional Convention finishes its business, Malenkai will 
>>>become the new speaker under 666, which will be in effect after the 
>>>Convention.
>>
>>This, however, is true under the current rule set.  Not particularly good
>>or useful, but true.
>
>Where does this distinction come from? I can't see anything in 829 that 
>would make a paradox winner speaker where a points winner would not 
>become speaker.

It is in R219/R110.  A paradox winner explicitly wins the _game_.  A points
winner, however, wins the _cycle_.  R666 does not distinguish (in fact, it
makes game winners also be cycle winners), but R110 does.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:25:51 -0800
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Acka: misc: Church Members 

Bascule has joined the Church of the Markovian Dream.

Current Members are:

Snowgod
Calvin. N. Hobbes
Malenkai
this is not a name
Bascule

The church is considering the applications of additional members.

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:30:33 -0700
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Return of the Rule Ripper, revised

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> 
> RFC: The Return of the Rule Ripper

Although I object to the "Rule Ripper" in almost its entirity,
including its condescending name, I would specifically request removal
of section 11 if it must be resubmitted at all.

This conflicts with my attempt to seperate the Proposal tabulation
duties from other tabulation duties, and spinning them off into
a separate office, the Assistant Tabulator.

While my proposal also accomplishes the standardization attempted by
this revision, it also works to give Wayne a hand, and open up an
office for another player, if they are interested. IMHO, this has
more value, and the conflict of resolving both changes at the same
time, should they be passed, could be annoying.

Malenkai
 
> 11. Amend rule 414 'The Office of the Tabulator' to read:
>   "The Office of the Tabulator is a Functional Office.  The Duties of
>    the Tabulator are:
> 
>   "(a) to receive and to count votes on each proposal.
>   "(b) to maintain the voting records of each player on each proposal.
>   "(c) to report the acceptance or rejection of each proposal.
> 
>   "If the rules require any other vote and don't otherwise specify who
>    should conduct the vote, the Tabulator shall conduct the vote and have
>    the same duties for that vote as are listed above for proposals."
> 
>   [[I added the last part to clear up any confusion about elections, and
>     added "to receive" in part (a).  This will further standardize
>     elections.]]
>

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:33:09 -0700
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic Digest V1 #50

Uri Bruck wrote:

> The structure is already there, ready to be
> used by all those players who complained that we not playing with what we
> are making.
> 

I was that complainer, and am non-aligned, therefore I have noting to
contribute to "Party Hall". I have been playing with what we are making,
or at least trying.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:34:40 -0700
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Church of The Markovian Dream

John Bollinger wrote:
> 
> >Once the Constitutional Convention finishes its business, Malenkai will
> >become the new speaker under 666, which will be in effect after the
> >Convention.
> 
> This, however, is true under the current rule set.  Not particularly good
> or useful, but true.
> 

I appreciate your confidence :)

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:05:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Return of the Rule Ripper, revised

> Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> > 
> > RFC: The Return of the Rule Ripper
> 
> Although I object to the "Rule Ripper" in almost its entirity,
> including its condescending name, I would specifically request removal
> of section 11 if it must be resubmitted at all.

> This conflicts with my attempt to seperate the Proposal tabulation
> duties from other tabulation duties, and spinning them off into
> a separate office, the Assistant Tabulator.

Fine, so long as your version assigns the election voting duty to
somebody.

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:20:58 -0700
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Return of the Rule Ripper, revised

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> Fine, so long as your version assigns the election voting duty to
> somebody.

The Assistant Tabulator is assigned the duty for tabulating all elections,
Politeness Moons, Witchhunts, and the like. It will be redistributed after
the current situation blows over.

The proposal does not define Offical Voting Period, however.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:19:38 -0800
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Acka: Church: Announcement 

Nicolo Flychuck has joined the Church of the Markovian Dream.  Current
Churchmember's include are:

snowgod (founder)
this is not a name (priest)
Malenkai (priest)
Calvin N. Hobbs (priest)
Nicolo Flychuck
Bascule

snowgod
Ambassador
 Former CSRR
Acting Senator (seat c)
Wearing a prosthetic forehead
In fear of being burned as a heretic
Founder, Church of the Markovian Dream

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:13:09 -0700
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ackanomic: Offical, E-mail change

This is a test

I have got a new email address. This shall be permanent, hopefully.
All personal, and Clerk of the Courts/CFJ mail should go to:

[email-masked]

I have set up a .forward file at [email-masked], so I will get that
for a while. I do not think I can do that at [email-masked], so I
will probably miss stuff there.

I ask the Web-Harfer and Historian to change all links to my 2 previous
addresses to this one. I will handle the majordomo work myself. 
Thx /dev/joe for the info.

Sorry for the inconvience

Malenkai

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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:12:31 -0700
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ackanomic: Fat Lady

I claim that by R790, Mohammed is now required to announce that the Fat
Lady is singing. This rule claims precedence, therefore it should occur 
before the delegate selection process. 

Additionally, the end of "game" process cannot come to full completion
until she has done so.

We finally get to hear if her singing is "off-key screeching".

Malenkai

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