Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #34
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest        Thursday, June 6 1996        Volume 01 : Number 034

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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:39:22 -0800
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Acka: Politness Moon 

I am calling on the politness moon against Malenkai.

I contend that Malenkai wa impolite to the Fat Lady (an ackanomic entity)
in his public message entitled "Acka: Misc: Fat Lady".

>The distinction
>between end of cycle and end of game was critical last time, and it is
>not lawful for the Fat Lady's *off-key screeching* to undo this.

Please note that nowhere in R400 does it say that the politness moon
applies only to imploiteness against players.  Malenkai was indeed rude to
the Fat Lady, and should be punished accordingly.

In Case you haven't noticed I'm snowgod
Ambassador
Gender Positive CSRR
Candidate for Senate
All around believer in fairness to acka entities

"If elected senator, I promise to confirm or deny officers!"

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Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 08:37:48 -0700
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Politness Moon

Phil Ackley wrote:
> 
> I am calling on the politness moon against Malenkai.
>

As the Fat Lady is nowhere to be seen or *heard* at this point, it seems
it would be impossible to be impolite to her. I was only speculating
what her vocalizations might sound like to a well refined music critic
such as myself, had she been here, as R790 neither indicates that she is
trained or qualified as a singer :)

Malenkai
 
> I contend that Malenkai wa impolite to the Fat Lady (an ackanomic entity)
> in his public message entitled "Acka: Misc: Fat Lady".
> 
> >The distinction
> >between end of cycle and end of game was critical last time, and it is
> >not lawful for the Fat Lady's *off-key screeching* to undo this.
> 
> Please note that nowhere in R400 does it say that the politness moon
> applies only to imploiteness against players.  Malenkai was indeed rude to
> the Fat Lady, and should be punished accordingly.
> 
> In Case you haven't noticed I'm snowgod
> Ambassador
> Gender Positive CSRR
> Candidate for Senate
> All around believer in fairness to acka entities
> 
> "If elected senator, I promise to confirm or deny officers!"

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:38:29 +0000
From: Matt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Winning and all that

From that Malenkai chap:

> NOTE that this should increase Bascule's score by 5 points at this
> time. The scorekeeper should make the change if it was not done so
> previously.
> 
> Judgement 170
>   Subject:  Silliness
> Initiator:  this is not a name
>     Judge:  Brinjal (selected at 1430h CDT on 24 May 1996)
> Judgement:  False
> 
> Statement:
> > Bascule receives 5 points and is silly because Proposal 728 passed.

> mr cwm's appeal:
> 
> > I wish to appeal the decision of CFJ 170 to the Supreme Court, and hereby
> > acknowledge the 5 point penalty for doing so.
> 
> The Court concurs with, and has nothing to add, to mr cwm's reasoning.

Darn! These bonus 5 points came at just the wrong time. I'd fluked on 
being a multiple of 3 below the magic number (at 251) a few days ago,
so I switched all my votes to YES and it was only going to be a 
matter of time... and then Malenkai returns and gives me 5 points 
when I don't want them any more! DOH!

I don't think they've been added to my score yet. Given that I have 
another 3 points erroneously (from the withdrawn proposal 831), I
reckon my score to be 259. 

So I'm going to submit a couple of proposals and withdraw them - 
there was a bit of chat last time about how it was somehow immoral
to win by virtue of being penalised points, but I can't find anything
in the rules to stop me....

257 or bust
See you in the next cycle

Bascule

 

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Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 08:45:26 -0700
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic:  Official

To all, thanks for all the responses. If only I could get such response
on my other rules questions and the CFJs I've submitted over the past
month :)

Just a quick request: I'd appreciate a simple reference to the appropriate
rule in these cases. Ie, instead of referring to the senate rule, refer to
the vacation rule. 

Thanks
Malenkai

this is not a name wrote:
> 
> Malenkai writes regarding Acting Senator appointments:
> 
> >I do not see how this action is legal. I take the "Senate" rule to be
> >R478, and can find nothing there.
> >
> >R612 allows this for functional offices, but I see no clause that allows
> >this for political offices.
> 
> See rule 457. Excerpt:
> 
> >
> >     While a player is on vacation, the player shall not not be
> >     randomly selected for anything. The player shall also not be
> >     chosen to perform any task. The duties of any offices help by the
> >     player shall be performed by the Speaker or someone appointed by
> >     the Speaker.
> >
>

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:56:03 +0000
From: Matt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Official: Retractions

I hereby withdraw all proposals of mine pending,
except 856.

As they haven't yet been distributed, I don't know
yet exactly what numbers they will be, so:

I hereby withdraw proposal 861
I hereby withdraw proposal 862
I hereby withdraw proposal 863
I hereby withdraw proposal 864
I hereby withdraw proposal 865
I hereby withdraw proposal 866
I hereby withdraw proposal 867
I hereby withdraw proposal 868

That should get them! Only two of the above will
be mine, I'm using this shotgun approach just to
make sure.

257-3+5-1-1 = 257

Bascule

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:19:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Spickes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Official Justice Confirmation

	Assuming it is legal for me to be appointed to fill a political 
office in an acting sense, I hereby confirm the appointment of Bascule to 
the Supreme Court.

	De'ghew

- -- 
  John Spickes - Undergraduate - UMCP - http://www.wam.umd.edu/~jspickes
   PGP encrypted email preferred - finger [email-masked] for key

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:13:37 +0000
From: Matt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: CFJ 182 (Bascule)

> Call for Judgement 182
>   Subject:  I Win, take two
> Initiator:  /dev/joe
>     Judge:  Bascule (selected at 1322h CDT on 4 June 1996)
> 
> Statement:
> > /dev/joe's actions of buying and wearing a Prosthetic Forehead on the morning
> > of June 4 were legal, thus he has won the game.
> 
> --Mohammed, Clerk of the Courts

Verdict: False

Reasoning:
/dev/joe's actions of buying and wearing a Prosthetic Forehead 
were certainly legal, however this does not mean he has won the
game. 
[ A slightly more specific CFJ might have read:
The Prosthetic Forehead that /dev/joe bought possessed the 
properties ascribed to it by /dev/joe in accordance with rule
818, and hence he has won the game. ]
The existence of an endless variety of Prosthetic Foreheads
does not guarantee the existence of all possible varieties of
Prosthetic Forehead. As rule 818 does not claim that 
Prosthetic Foreheads allow their wearers to change resolutions
to proposals or to alter scores, my interpretation of existing
game custom is that Prosthetic Foreheads do not allow their
wearers to do these things. Hence the verdict of false.

Bascule

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:07:57 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: Discussion P860 

I support Malenkai's attempt to reduce the scope of the CSRR officer's
job, but I cannot support the specific language of P860.  My objections:

If adopted, the proposal would appear to allow the CSRR officer to make
the ruleset gender-neutral _without a CSR_, thus without player approval
(section b).

If adopted, the proposal might allow the CSRR officer to continue to do
the things he already does (sections d and e).

Sections d and e appear to contradict section b, which is why I wrote "might"
instead of "will" in my previous objection.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:15:51 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: misc: undefined objects 

Ackanomians:

I have submitted a proposal to define Chartruese Goose Eggs and Right-Handed
Grapefruits.  I gave each a minor power, which hopefully you will all find
acceptable.

I have also submitted a proposal to fix up R549 "The Blue Cross."  It fixes
some inconsistencies and explicitly defines the objects.  I hope you will
find it acceptable.

Cheers,

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 12:05:59 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Misc: Who's Who?

I didn't notice this until earlier, but the new gnome buddy is chess piece
face.  Calvin N Hobbes has reached -60 and his score has reset to 20.

Wayne

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:21:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Official Justice Confirmation

this is not a name wrote:
> I hereby vote to confirm Bascule as a Justice in accordance with Rules 
> 478 and 648.

ThinMan wrote:
> I hereby vote to confirm Bascule as a Justice of the Supreme Court in
> accordance with Rules 478 and 648.

De'ghew wrote:
> 	Assuming it is legal for me to be appointed to fill a political 
> office in an acting sense, I hereby confirm the appointment of Bascule to 
> the Supreme Court.

That's all the senators we have now.  By rule Mohammed was considered
to have voted "No" on the confirmation when he left office.

Rule 648 says:
"The Period will end upon all Senators posting a proper vote in the
proper way."

Whether these votes are proper or not may be a matter for judgement.
(The rule says the senators will post "Yes" or "No" votes.)

That's 3 votes of YES and 1 NO.  I *think* Bascule is now a Justice.

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 13:09:30 -0400
From: this is not a name <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Official Justice Confirmation

/dev/joe writes:
>Whether these votes are proper or not may be a matter for judgement.
>(The rule says the senators will post "Yes" or "No" votes.)

My vote is:

Yes

On the confirmation of Bascule to the Supreme Court.

this is not a name
Historian
File Clerk
Acting Senator
Candidate for Appointer and President

Vote early, vote often. :-)

- --
        Mike Epstein     [email-masked]     Long Island, NY
"You will find it a distinct help...if you know and look as if you
 know what you are doing."
                                    --IRS training manual for auditors
http://www.nyiq.net/~epstein/         Finger for PGP 2.6.2 public key

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:00:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mohammed <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: disc P857, P858

I hereby retract proposal 857.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:03:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mohammed <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ackanomic: Judgement 182

Call for Judgement 182
  Subject:  I Win, take two
Initiator:  /dev/joe
    Judge:  Bascule (selected at 1322h CDT on 4 June 1996)
Judgement:  False

Statement:
> /dev/joe's actions of buying and wearing a Prosthetic Forehead on the morning
> of June 4 were legal, thus he has won the game.

Bascule's comments:
> Reasoning:
> /dev/joe's actions of buying and wearing a Prosthetic Forehead 
> were certainly legal, however this does not mean he has won the
> game. 
> [ A slightly more specific CFJ might have read:
> The Prosthetic Forehead that /dev/joe bought possessed the 
> properties ascribed to it by /dev/joe in accordance with rule
> 818, and hence he has won the game. ]
> The existence of an endless variety of Prosthetic Foreheads
> does not guarantee the existence of all possible varieties of
> Prosthetic Forehead. As rule 818 does not claim that 
> Prosthetic Foreheads allow their wearers to change resolutions
> to proposals or to alter scores, my interpretation of existing
> game custom is that Prosthetic Foreheads do not allow their
> wearers to do these things. Hence the verdict of false.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:04:38 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: disc P857, P858 

I have informed Wayne that I retract P858.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:09:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Spickes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Official Justice Confirmation 

> /dev/joe writes:
> >Whether these votes are proper or not may be a matter for judgement.
> >(The rule says the senators will post "Yes" or "No" votes.)

	Ok, ok.  As if it wasn't already clear, I vote 
Yes
	for the confirmation of Bascule to the Supreme Court Justice position.

	De'ghew

- -- 
  John Spickes - Undergraduate - UMCP - http://www.wam.umd.edu/~jspickes
   PGP encrypted email preferred - finger [email-masked] for key

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:32:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mohammed <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ackanomic: Official (election results)

The Fat Lady was not singing.  I saw her moving her mouth, but as I 
watched closely over the next few minutes I could tell she was indeed 
only -lipsynching-.  So much for that.

The Elections for Office closed last night, with the following results:

NAP Swinger:  Brinjal 7.
Speaker:  /dev/joe 2, Mohammed 5.
President:  /dev/joe 3, this is not a name 4.
Appointer:  Bascule 2, Mohammed 4, this is not a name 2.

Brinjal is the NAP Swinger; I am Speaker and Appointer; this is not a 
name president.  That's effective as of this message.

Anyone who doesn't believe party alliance is a big deal may want to
reconsider their position (*halfgrin*); all votes recorded are attached at 
the end of this message, in the order they were received.

- --Mohammed

/dev/joe's votes:
	President:  /dev/joe
	Speaker:  /dev/joe
	Appointer:  Bascule
	NAP Swinger:  Brinjal

this is not a name's votes:
	President:  this is not a name
	Speaker:  Mohammed
	Appointer: this is not a name
	NAP Swinger:  Brinjal

snowgod's votes:
	President:  this is not a name
	Speaker:  Mohammed
	Appointer:  Mohammed
	NAP Swinger:  Brinjal

Mohammed's votes:
	President:  this is not a name
	Speaker:  Mohammed
	Appointer:  Mohammed

Bascule's votes:
	Appointer:  Bascule

mr cwm's votes:
	President:  /dev/joe
	Speaker:  Mohammed
	Appointer:  this is not a name
	NAP Swinger:  Brinjal

Bob's votes:
	President:  this is not a name
	Speaker:  /dev/joe
	Appointer:  Mohammed
	NAP swinger:  Brinjal

Brinjal's votes:
	President:  /dev/joe
	Speaker:  Mohammed
	Appointer:  Mohammed
	NAP Swinger:  Brinjal

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:32:51 -0500
From: Mick Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: the departing of Bob

i am officially leaving...i really would have liked to stay, but i'm too busy 
and it takes up too much room in my mail...it was a nice couple of days, anyway.

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:35:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Registrar's full report

Bob (Maren Williams, [email-masked]) has left the game.
A bunch of officers were elected, and other titles handed out.

Here's my current list of all the players, titles, etc.
This does not include any effects of any player winning the game this week.

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Office currently being elected: Senate Seat B

Office which is vacant: Publicist

Offices being performed by acting officers, due to a vacation:
Registrar, Senate Seats A,C,D
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Players:

Wayne Sheppard ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : Wayne
   Tabulator
   Promoter
   Scorekeeper
   Member of Underworld
   Party Boss of Underworld

Mitchell Harding ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : Robert Sevin
   On Vacation
   Winner of the 1st Cycle
   Doesn't have a Right-Handed Grapefruit [Image]
   former President (resigned)
   Might have a Blue Cross
   Member of Foozball

Paul Swan ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : chess piece face
   On Vacation
   Senator (Seat C)
   The Gnome Buddy
   former Registrar (vacated by Rule 612)
   Member of Foozball

Julian Richardson ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : Dr McSpong
   Bearer of the Magic Potato
   Member of the Quorum Party (Defunct)

Thierry Joffrain ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : Calvin N Hobbes

Andy Swan ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : Simon Marty Harriman
   On Vacation
   Senator (Seat D)
   Member of Foozball

Eric Murray ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : mr cwm
   Member of (None Yet)

Jason Orendorff ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : Mohammed
   Inventor
   Clerk of the Court
   Speaker
   Appointer
   former Senator (Seat B) (resigned)
   Might have a Blue Cross
   Member of (None Yet)

Adrian Smith ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : fon
   On Vacation
   Senator (Seat A)
   Member of OoMPAPaH (Defunct)

Randy Hall ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : Malenkai
   Justice

Joseph DeVincentis ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : /dev/joe
   Web-Harfer
   Acting Registrar
   Wearing a Prosthetic Forehead
   Member of Foozball
   Leader and Party Boss of Foozball
   Swinger for Foozball

Stephen F Roberts ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : SnafuMoose

Uri Bruck ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : Niccolo Flychuck
   Has Phoebe's Matchbox

John Spickes ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : De'ghew
   Acting Senator (Seat A)
   Member of Underworld

John Bollinger ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : ThinMan
   Acting Senator (Seat C)
   Financier

Phil Ackley ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : snowgod
   Ambassador
   CSRR Officer
   Member of (None Yet)

Jerome Herrman ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : Techno
   Pollster (rule repealed)
   Silly
   Member of Underworld
   Swinger for Underworld

Stephen Wilson ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : Merlin the Happy Pig
   Doesn't have a Chartreuse Goose Egg
   Member of OoMPAPaH (Defunct)

Mike Epstein ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : this is not a name
   Historian
   File Clerk
   President
   Acting Senator (Seat D)
   Member of (None Yet)
   Leader of (None Yet)
   Swinger for (None Yet)

Robert Shaw ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : Robin Hood

Simon Clarke ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : Brinjal
   Gaoler
   NAP Swinger

Matt Black ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name : Bascule
   Welcomer
   Justice
   Silly

Sean Crystal ([email-masked])
   Ackanomic Name: The Great Old One
   On Vacation
   former Member of Underworld

Observers:

Kelly Martin ([email-masked])
Michael J. Thomas ([email-masked])
Bill Ingram ([email-masked])
P. Perigo ([email-masked])
Harm ([email-masked])
Marc ([email-masked])
Joe Bott ([email-masked])

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 16:46:27 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Acka: score update

OK, I am correcting my error.  I mistakenly published the results on 831
when they had been retracted the day before.  The only fair thing to do is
to undo the scoring changes on this proposal.  

Here is the scores when /dev/joe/ retracted  P831.  I have several other
scoring changes to add to this, but this is the base score.

257	Bascule              A   (Matt Black) 
235	this is not a name   A   (Mike Epstein) 
220	Techno               A   (Jerome Herrman) 
216	ThinMan              A   (John Bollinger) 
211	Wayne                A   (Wayne Sheppard) 
208	Robin Hood           A   (R Shaw) 
206	Mohammed             A   (Jason Orendorff) 
176	Dr McSpong           A   (Julian Richardson) 
173	Malenkai             A   (Randy Hall) 
171	mr cwm               A   (Eric Murray) 
169	/dev/joe             A   (Joseph DeVincentis) 
146	SnafuMoose           A   (Stephen Roberts) 
127	De'ghew              A   (John Spickes) 
125	Brinjal              A   (Simon Clarke) 
96	snowgod              A   (Phil Ackley) 
91	Niccolo Flychuck     A   (Uri Bruck) 
47	Merlin the Happy Pig A   (Stephen Wilson) 
36	Simon Marty Harriman V   (Andy Swan) 
35	fon                  V   (Adrian Smith) 
8	Robert Sevin         V   (Mitchell Harding) 
3	The Great Old One    V   (Sean Crystal) 
- -2	chess piece face     V   (Paul Swan) 
- -60	Calvin N Hobbes      A   (Thierry Joffrain) 

Actually Calvin N Hobbes should be at 20 I believe.  Let me check the
Rules

Wayne

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 16:48:36 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Acka: ignore last scores

I listed the old scores,  here are the actual scores.

254	Bascule              A   (Matt Black) 
235	this is not a name   A   (Mike Epstein) 
220	Techno               A   (Jerome Herrman) 
213	ThinMan              A   (John Bollinger) 
211	Wayne                A   (Wayne Sheppard) 
205	Robin Hood           A   (R Shaw) 
203	Mohammed             A   (Jason Orendorff) 
175	/dev/joe             A   (Joseph DeVincentis) 
173	Malenkai             A   (Randy Hall) 
173	Dr McSpong           A   (Julian Richardson) 
171	mr cwm               A   (Eric Murray) 
143	SnafuMoose           A   (Stephen Roberts) 
127	De'ghew              A   (John Spickes) 
122	Brinjal              A   (Simon Clarke) 
96	snowgod              A   (Phil Ackley) 
91	Niccolo Flychuck     A   (Uri Bruck) 
47	Merlin the Happy Pig A   (Stephen Wilson) 
36	Simon Marty Harriman V   (Andy Swan) 
35	fon                  V   (Adrian Smith) 
20	Calvin N Hobbes      A   (Thierry Joffrain) 
8	Robert Sevin         V   (Mitchell Harding) 
3	The Great Old One    V   (Sean Crystal) 
- -2	chess piece face     V   (Paul Swan) 

Coming up next, the score changes since then.

Wayne

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:10:47 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 861

Proposal 861 - Thu Jun 06 17:10:46 EDT 1996
The Dirty Word
snowgod  (Phil Ackley)

Preamble:

It has been discovered that the word "Bandwidth" (from now on known as The
Dirty Word) is a curse so horrible in some cultures that merely thinking
the word is a serious enough offense to get you stoned to death!

In recognition of this fact, and in an attempt to make Ackanomic A kinder
and gentler nomic game any use of The Dirty Word shall henceforth be
prohibited in any Ackanomic discussion.

No Player may post a message to any Ackanomic list containing The Dirty
Word. No emial message with a subject line containing the words Acka: or
Ackanomic: may contain the dirty word. No HTML document pertaining
specifically to the game of Ackanomic shall contain The Dirty Word, unless
it contains the full text of this rule.

This rule reccomends, but does not require a sentence in the Gaol of three
days for any player who uses The Dirty Word in a prohibbited form.

This rule does not apply to itself.

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:11:04 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 862

Proposal 862 - Thu Jun 06 17:11:04 EDT 1996
Amend R588 Selecting A Judge
Niccolo Flychuck  (Uri Bruck)

This proposal appends  the following lines to  R588 Selecting A Judge:
The first player who has been selected to judge on a CFJ shall be reffered
to as the  first judge of the CFJ, should another player be selected for
whatever reason, the second player selected shall be reffered to as the
second judge, and so on. [[in practice this is already done by CotC, it is
mentioned here to make the next part possible]]
A player who has been selected as Judge for a given CFJ, will not be
eligible to be selected as First Judge for the three CFJs following the one
e has been selected for, nor will e be elligible to be selected as Second
Judge for the two CFJs following the one e has selected to judge.

[[There were already two attempts to amend this rule in order to make a
better distribution of judgement, one by Melankai and one by myself, they
both failed, for different reasons. This one is the simple, and effective,
and produces some results]]

for refference

[[R588
Selecting A Judge

When Judgement has been called for, a Judge is randomly selected from among the
other active players that are eligible to judge CFJs, as defined by any other
applicable rules. This selection is performed by the officer who is officially
assigned this duty (the job will be performed by the Speaker in the absence of
such an officer). The player selected has 3 days in which to accept or
refuse the
appointment by posting to the applicable officer. Any player who does not
respond
to selection in 3 days shall be penalized 10 points, and is deemed to have
refused
appointment. If a selected player refuses appointment, then a further random
selection is made from the remaining pool.]]

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:11:44 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 863

Proposal 863 - Thu Jun 06 17:11:44 EDT 1996
Fat Lady revision
snowgod  (Phil Ackley)

This proposal will amend R790 by replacing it's entire text with the following:

     This rule creates an Acknomic entity known as the Fat Lady. The
     Fat Lady cannot be owned or controlled except as described in the
     rules.

     The Fat Lady shall sing only if a player wins the game,  or a cycle of
the game,
     in accordance with the rules. The speaker is required to announce
     that the Fat Lady is singing upon a winner being declared, and the
     Fat Lady will not sing until the speaker announces that she is
     doing so.

     Furthermore, the game, or a cycle of the game, cannot be over untill
the Fat Lady sings.

     This rule take precendence over all other rules dealing with
     end-of-game conditions.

[Original text of R790 follows:

Rule 790/1 (Mutable)
Fat Lady
snowgod (Phil Ackley)

     This rule creates an Acknomic entity known as the Fat Lady. The
     Fat Lady cannot be owned or controlled except as described in the
     rules.

     The Fat Lady shall sing only if a player wins the game in
     accordance with the rules. The speaker is required to announce
     that the Fat Lady is singing upon a winner being declared, and the
     Fat Lady will not sing until the speaker announces that she is
     doing so.

     Furthermore, the game cannot be over till the Fat Lady sings.

     This rule take precendence over all other rules dealing with
     end-of-game conditions.

* Created by Proposal 790, May 25 1996
* Renumbered by Rule 794, May 26 1996]

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:13:22 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 864

Proposal 864 - Thu Jun 06 17:13:22 EDT 1996
Devious ways to win the game
Bascule  (Matt Black)

- ---RETRACTED---
No player may win the game of Ackanomic, or any
cycle of Ackanomic, by virtue of having points
subtracted from their score. The magic number
must be achieved by an addition of points to the
player's score for that player to have won the game
or cycle.

- --------------------
This proposal has already been retracted even before I had distributed it.
I am distributing it now to make everything official.

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:14:11 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 865

Proposal 865 - Thu Jun 06 17:14:11 EDT 1996
Cynical exploitation of rules
Bascule  (Matt Black)

All players must use the ruleset in a chivalrous
and courteous manner at all times. If a player 
cynically exploits rules in order to callously
win the game or cycle, that is an offence against
this rule and they may have proceedings of Criminal
Justice brought against them, providing such
proceedings are defined elsewhere in the rules.

- -----------------
And This one has also been retracted as well

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:14:53 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 866

Proposal 866 - Thu Jun 06 17:14:53 EDT 1996
No Overshooting
ThinMan  (John Bollinger)

A new rule shall be created with the following text:
- --
If the score of any player becomes greater than the magic number, then the
magic number shall be increased by 16, or to 11 points above the highest
player score, whichever is greater.
- --

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:15:16 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 867

Proposal 867 - Thu Jun 06 17:15:15 EDT 1996
Eggs and Fruit
ThinMan  (John Bollinger)

A new rule shall be created with the following text:
- --
A Chartruese Goose Egg is an Ackanomic Entity.  Any number may exist at any
time.  A player who owns a Chartruese Goose Egg may reduce his own score to
zero at any time by informing the Scorekeeper that he is doing so, provided
that his score is greater than zero.  Chartruese Goose Eggs have no other
power.

A Right-Handed Grapefruit is an Ackanomic Entity.  Only one may exist at
any time.  A player who owns a Right-Handed Grapefruit may at any time
make Right-Handed Grapefruit Juice.  Right-Handed Grapefruits have no other
power.  Right-Handed Grapefruit Juice has only those powers granted it by
the Rules.

(a) Chartruese Goose Eggs, Right-Handed Grapefruits, and Right-Handed
    Grapefruit Juice may only be created, destroyed, or manipulated as
    the Rules specify.

(b) If entities have Power attributes, then Chartruese Goose Eggs,
    Right-Handed Grapefruits, and Right-Handed Grapefruit Juice shall
    each have power 0.6666, and the sentences labelled (a) and (b) shall
    be deleted from this rule.
- --

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:15:36 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 868

Proposal 868 - Thu Jun 06 17:15:36 EDT 1996
Medals
ThinMan  (John Bollinger)

Rule 549 shall be ammended to read, in whole:
- --
Blue Crosses, Silver Stripes, and Gold Stripes are Ackanomic entities.
Any number of each may exist at any time.  They have only those powers
specified by the Rules.

Blue Crosses and Silver Stripes are awarded by the President, the Proconsul,
or a Senator.  Each time one is to be awarded, it is created for the occasion
by the Frobozz Magic Medal Company, Ackanomic Division.

If at any time a player has four or more Silver Stripes, then four of them
fuse together to form a single Gold Stripe.  Once they fuse, the Silver
Stripes cannot be reconstituted by any means.

Once 20 or more proposals submitted by any particular player have been
adopted, that player shall be awarded a Blue Cross as recognition of merit
and services to Ackanomic.

For each 10 additional proposals submitted by a Blue Cross owner and
subsequently adopted by AckaNomic, that Blue Cross owner shall be awarded a
Silver Stripe.

If an elected Senator does not have a Blue Cross at the end of his last
consecutive term of office, then he shall be awarded one; otherwise he shall
be awarded one Silver Stripe.

If the President does not have a Blue Cross at the end of his last consecutive
term of office, then he shall be awarded one; otherwise he shall be awarded
one Silver Stripe.

A player with at least one Gold Stripe shall have the title "Officer of the
Blue Cross."  A player with four Gold Stripes shall have the title
"Commander of the Blue Cross".  A Commander of the Blue Cross shall not
earn any additional Gold Stripes or Silver Stripes, the other provisions of
this rule notwithstanding.

Blue Crosses, Silver Stripes, and Gold Stripes shall only be created and
destroyed as specified by the Rules.  They may only be owned by players, and
may not be obtained except as specified by the Rules.  Ownership of Blue
Crosses, Silver Stripes, and Gold Stripes may not be transferred between
players.
- --

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:16:12 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 869

Proposal 869 - Thu Jun 06 17:16:11 EDT 1996
Amending 592
ThinMan  (John Bollinger)

Rule 592 shall be ammended by replacing the phrase "in accordance with" with
"as specified by".

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:21:57 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Acka: Scores

Score changes:

- -5 The Great Old One for appealing CFJ 175
- -20 The Great Old One penalty for frivolous appeal
- -1 Brinjal for having CFJ 170 overturned
- -5 mr cmw for appealing CFJ 170
+5 Bascule for being Silly per CFJ 170
- -1 ThinMan withdrawing  P858
- -1 Mohammed withdrawing P857

- -3 Bascule for retracting 833, 864, and 865

It appears that Bascule overlooked the fact that he also had P833 in
the queue as well.  He retracted 
	"I hereby withdraw all proposals of mine pending,
	except 856."

This loses him three points instead of the two points he wanted to lose.

So Bascule has not won on points yet.

p

256	Bascule              A   (Matt Black) 
235	this is not a name   A   (Mike Epstein) 
220	Techno               A   (Jerome Herrman) 
212	ThinMan              A   (John Bollinger) 
211	Wayne                A   (Wayne Sheppard) 
205	Robin Hood           A   (R Shaw) 
201	Mohammed             A   (Jason Orendorff) 
175	/dev/joe             A   (Joseph DeVincentis) 
173	Malenkai             A   (Randy Hall) 
173	Dr McSpong           A   (Julian Richardson) 
166	mr cwm               A   (Eric Murray) 
143	SnafuMoose           A   (Stephen Roberts) 
127	De'ghew              A   (John Spickes) 
121	Brinjal              A   (Simon Clarke) 
96	snowgod              A   (Phil Ackley) 
91	Niccolo Flychuck     A   (Uri Bruck) 
47	Merlin the Happy Pig A   (Stephen Wilson) 
36	Simon Marty Harriman V   (Andy Swan) 
35	fon                  V   (Adrian Smith) 
20	Calvin N Hobbes      A   (Thierry Joffrain) 
8	Robert Sevin         V   (Mitchell Harding) 
- -2	chess piece face     V   (Paul Swan) 
- -22	The Great Old One    V   (Sean Crystal) 

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:26:52 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Acka: Polite Moon

Proposal 1 - Thu Jun 06 17:23:42 EDT 1996
Politeness Moon Call against Malenkai
Wayne  (Wayne Sheppard)

To facilitate the Politness Moon call against Malenkai,  I've
set this up as proposal 1.  This is not actually a proposal,
but just set up so that the nomicbot can process your votes.
please vote yes or no on prop 1.

Wayne

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Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 18:13:29 -0700
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Official Justice Confirmation

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> Whether these votes are proper or not may be a matter for judgement.
> (The rule says the senators will post "Yes" or "No" votes.)
> 
> That's 3 votes of YES and 1 NO.  I *think* Bascule is now a Justice.

I personally agree that Bascule is confirmed. Admittedly, a Strict
Contructionalist judge could nuke it, but then it could be appealed to
the Supreme Court for some real grace period fun! (ie, does Bascule
get to hear the appeal).

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 18:27:22 -0700
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Official (election results)

I am hereby contesting these results. Specifically, I am contesting
this is not a name's election as President, as it is the only one
affected. I sent my votes to Mohammed, I believe, in a proper manner,
and they do not appear to be tallied.

I voted for /dev/joe, so if properly counted, it would create a 4-4
tie. Like I said, the others don't affect the results.

Mohammed and I are working on the problem. I'd like to solve it quickly
without a CFJ, as it appears to be an e-mail logistics problem. If
this is unlawful, I will submit the CFJ.

Malenkai

Mohammed wrote:
> 
> 
> The Elections for Office closed last night, with the following results:
> 
> NAP Swinger:  Brinjal 7.
> Speaker:  /dev/joe 2, Mohammed 5.
> President:  /dev/joe 3, this is not a name 4.
> Appointer:  Bascule 2, Mohammed 4, this is not a name 2.
> 
> Brinjal is the NAP Swinger; I am Speaker and Appointer; this is not a
> name president.  That's effective as of this message.
> 
> Anyone who doesn't believe party alliance is a big deal may want to
> reconsider their position (*halfgrin*); all votes recorded are attached at
> the end of this message, in the order they were received.
> 
> --Mohammed
> 
> /dev/joe's votes:
>         President:  /dev/joe
>         Speaker:  /dev/joe
>         Appointer:  Bascule
>         NAP Swinger:  Brinjal
> 
> this is not a name's votes:
>         President:  this is not a name
>         Speaker:  Mohammed
>         Appointer: this is not a name
>         NAP Swinger:  Brinjal
> 
> snowgod's votes:
>         President:  this is not a name
>         Speaker:  Mohammed
>         Appointer:  Mohammed
>         NAP Swinger:  Brinjal
> 
> Mohammed's votes:
>         President:  this is not a name
>         Speaker:  Mohammed
>         Appointer:  Mohammed
> 
> Bascule's votes:
>         Appointer:  Bascule
> 
> mr cwm's votes:
>         President:  /dev/joe
>         Speaker:  Mohammed
>         Appointer:  this is not a name
>         NAP Swinger:  Brinjal
> 
> Bob's votes:
>         President:  this is not a name
>         Speaker:  /dev/joe
>         Appointer:  Mohammed
>         NAP swinger:  Brinjal
> 
> Brinjal's votes:
>         President:  /dev/joe
>         Speaker:  Mohammed
>         Appointer:  Mohammed
>         NAP Swinger:  Brinjal

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Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 18:09:05 -0700
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: P860

John Bollinger wrote:
> 
> I support Malenkai's attempt to reduce the scope of the CSRR officer's
> job, but I cannot support the specific language of P860.  My objections:
> 

ThinMan is right. The proposal was hastily and sloppily written. That'll
teach me to cut and paste from the previous proposal in the future.

P860 is hereby retracted. As we cannot yet know if Bascule has won, 
becasue it cannot be confirmed if his "shotgun approach" got the proper
proposals for a reduction to 257 until they are distributed, I assume the
1 point deduction will be taken pre end of cycle.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:44:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mohammed <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ackanomic:  Official (Presidency contested)

I remember this message now:

> I take myself off vacation.
> 
> I vote /dev/joe for President
> I vote Mohammed for Speaker
> I vote Bascule for Appointer
> I vote Brinjal for NAP swinger
> 
> BTW, what happend to the CFJs I submitted in the 160s before I went on
> vacation. I remember one nuked R466, and there were others. Is it possible
> to send me a list of all unresolved CFJs, or is the web page up to
> date?
	[etc.]
	I made the mistake of trying to connect from school that morning
and lost a load of mail when three successive terminals started throttling
things (don't ask me) and finally locked up.  *frown* Call me an
illiterate, but that really shouldn't happen, even on DEC dummy terminals. 
	I am once again taking votes for the Presidency, for a period of 
three days starting now and ending Sunday around 6pm CDT, or 7 New York 
time.  (I have no idea when that is for the rest of you.)
	Good luck to all the candidates.

- --Mohammed

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