Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #17
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest        Wednesday, May 29 1996        Volume 01 : Number 017

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 00:04:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: Violet Staunton <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka official

chess piece face and simon marty harriman are temporarily without internet
services so need to be put on temporary vacation.  should be back soon...

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 00:12:34 +0000
From: "Jerome Herrman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka official

>
>chess piece face and simon marty harriman are temporarily without internet
>services so need to be put on temporary vacation.  should be back soon...

I thought they were already on vacation.  But if not, this message is 
not valid for putting them on vacation is it?  

Techno

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 09:10:57 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Paradox wins 

snowgod wrote:
>I'd like to see a situation where in case of a paradox win the rule that
>created the paradox is left in the ruleset, but in an inactive form.
>
>For example:
>
>R897
>This rule, which previously had created a paradox shall serve no game
>functionand shall defer to all other rules. The previous text of this rule
>was: [insert rule here that caused paradox win]
>
>If we could set up a system where in case of a paradox win, the rule that
>caused the paradox automatically is ammended into a form similar to the one
>above at the begining of the next cycle, that would be the way i would like
>to see it.

Unfortunately, I don't see any way in which a simple scheme can be set up
to make this work.  For one thing, most paradoxes will involve more than
one rule.  How are we to determine which rule to set aside?  And what if
we don't want to set either aside, just fix them so that there is no
paradox?  What if we end up with a paradox involving some fundamental rule
that we cannot reasonably do without?  What if setting aside the rule would
create a different paradox?

That is why I think we need to rely on some procedure involving player
interaction with the rules, and the Constitutional Convention framework
seems perfect.  I realize that the rule would have the potential to leave
Ackanomic in a mostly suspended state for potentially a long time, but if
the rules contain a paradox then it may not be possible to legally continue
play anyway.

ThinMan

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 10:31:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Misc:  CSRR Endorsement

To:  Ackanomians
From:  mr cwm

The player holding the Office of CSRR will have the power to make our
acka-lives easier.  It is VERY VERY easy for the rest of the players to
prevent an abuse of this power (a single published objection prevents a
change).  The anti-CSRR faction may still prevent the CSRR Officer from
making any changes, merely by publishing objections, but let us force them
to go on record as opposing each attempt to make the rules self-consistant
and clear.  Do not let them hide behind a do-nothing CSRR Officer.  I
support snowgod for the Office of CSRR, and encourage others to do so as
well.

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Date: Tue, 28 May 96 10:50:58 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 822

Proposal 822 - Tue May 28 10:50:58 EDT 1996
Revision Numbers, Defined
/dev/joe  (Joseph DeVincentis)

In addition to its effective ordinal number, each rule has a revision
number.  The revision number is equal to the number of times a rule has been
changed.  Rule numbers may be written as X/R; in any such construction, X is
the effective ordinal number and R is the revision number.

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Date: Tue, 28 May 96 10:51:00 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 823

Proposal 823 - Tue May 28 10:51:00 EDT 1996
The Brass Monkey
Techno  (Jerome Herrman)

      There shall be an entity called the Brass Monkey, that has no 
function unless specified by another rule.

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Date: Tue, 28 May 96 10:51:19 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 824

Proposal 824 - Tue May 28 10:51:17 EDT 1996
Consecutive Passages
Techno  (Jerome Herrman)

      If 10 consecutive proposals pass, the Brass Monkey shall climb 
the tallest building in Acka Land and proclaim --
     "The authors of the 10 consecutive proposals that passed shall 
be awarded 5 bonus points."
       After this proclamation, the score keeper shall increment the 
appropriate scores by 5 points.

Techno

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Date: Tue, 28 May 96 10:51:39 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 825

Proposal 825 - Tue May 28 10:51:38 EDT 1996
The Bronze Umbrella
Techno  (Jerome Herrman)

     The player with the lowest score at the time this proposal 
passes, shall possess the Bronze Umbrella.  This player shall possess 
the Bronze Umbrella until which time said player leaves the game or 
it is purchased.  If said player leaves the game, possession of the 
Bronze Umbrella passes to the player with the lowest score at that 
time, and possession shall continue as described above.
      In case of Acid Rain, any player may purchase the Bronze 
Umbrella from the player currently possessing it for A$25.  The 
Bronze Umbrella can then be used to protect the Amber Banana Tree 
from the harmful effects of the Acid Rain.  The Bronze Umbrella is 
only capable of protecting the Amber Banana Tree once.  The Bronze 
Umbrella shall be rendered useless by the Acid Rain and will be 
discarded after being used.
      The Bronze Umbrella is protected, and can only be destroyed by 
Acid Rain while protecting the Amber Banana Tree.

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Date: Tue, 28 May 96 10:51:56 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 826

Proposal 826 - Tue May 28 10:51:56 EDT 1996
Acid Rain Dance
Techno  (Jerome Herrman)

      Any player whose proposal number, when having its digits added 
together, equals exactly 28, may perform the Acid Rain Dance.  The 
player performing the Acid Rain Dance shall post a public decription 
of the dance.  Immediatly after the public description of the Acid 
Rain Dance, the Acid Rain shall fall, destroying the Amber Banana 
Tree owned by Techno, unless the Amber Banana Tree is protected by 
the Bronze Umbrella.  If unprotected by the Bronze Umbrella, the 
Amber Banana Tree shall wither and die, and no longer exist.
        Only the Amber Banana Tree can be destroyed by Acid Rain 
unless permitted by other rules.

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Date: Tue, 28 May 96 10:52:18 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 827

Proposal 827 - Tue May 28 10:52:17 EDT 1996
The Amber Banana
Techno  (Jerome Herrman)

      Any player whose proposal number, when having its digits added 
together, equals exactly 21 [ex. prop 777], shall have the right to 
purchase one Amber Banana from Techno's Amber Banana Tree.  The price 
for one Amber Banana shall be A$10., payable to Techno.  Upon 
purchase of the Amber Banana, the player my publicly announce that he 
is eating the Amber Banana as "cows eat grass".  Upon eating the 
Amber Banana, said player shall inform Techno how he should vote on 
the proposal that earned the player the right to the Amber Banana in 
the first place. [in effect, purchasing one vote from Techno]
       The Amber Banana, and the tree it grows on, are protected, and 
can only be destroyed by Acid Rain.

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Date: Tue, 28 May 96 11:00:35 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Prop 795 Fails

Here are the voting results for : 795
  Proposal 795 - Mon May 20 15:06:25 EDT 1996
  Blatant Elitism
  Bascule  (Matt Black)

Quorum met : 17 eligible voters -- 15 players cast votes

8 YES votes   7 NO votes   0 PRESENT votes
Proposal FAILS

Bascule loses 10 points.  214 -> 204

8 YES votes:  3 points each
  Robin Hood                                  162 -> 165          
  Dr McSpong                                  140 -> 143          
  Brinjal                                     116 -> 119          
  Bascule                                     204 -> 207          
  snowgod                (None Yet)            71 -> 74           
  /dev/joe               Foozball              83 -> 86           
  Techno                                      133 -> 136          
  Mohammed               (None Yet)           141 -> 144          

7 NO votes:  
  Malenkai                                                        
  ThinMan                                                         
  Niccolo Flychuck                                                
  this is not a name     (None Yet)                               
  SnafuMoose                                                      
  mr cwm                 (None Yet)                               
  Wayne                                                           

0 PRESENT votes:

2 ABSTENTIONS:
  De'ghew                                     
  Merlin the Happy Pig                        

Players on Vacation who did not vote:
  fon                                         
  chess piece face       Foozball             
  Simon Marty Harriman   Foozball             
  Calvin N Hobbes                             
  Robert Sevin           Foozball             

New players who are not active:
  Meme Complex                                

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Wayne, your friendly Tabulator
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Date: Tue, 28 May 96 11:01:10 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Prop 796 Passes

Here are the voting results for : 796
  Proposal 796 - Tue May 21 00:13:57 EDT 1996
  Make 452 mutable
  this is not a name  (Mike Epstein)

Quorum met : 16 eligible voters -- 13 players cast votes

13 YES votes   0 NO votes   0 PRESENT votes
Proposal PASSES

this is not a name gains 10 points.  129 -> 139

13 YES votes:  
  Robin Hood                                                      
  Dr McSpong                                                      
  Brinjal                                                         
  ThinMan                                                         
  Niccolo Flychuck                                                
  Bascule                                                         
  snowgod                (None Yet)                               
  this is not a name     (None Yet)                               
  /dev/joe               Foozball                                 
  SnafuMoose                                                      
  Techno                                                          
  mr cwm                 (None Yet)                               
  Wayne                                                           

0 NO votes:  5 points each

0 PRESENT votes:

3 ABSTENTIONS:
  De'ghew                                     
  Merlin the Happy Pig                        
  Mohammed               (None Yet)           

Players on Vacation who did not vote:
  Malenkai                                    
  fon                                         
  chess piece face       Foozball             
  Simon Marty Harriman   Foozball             
  Calvin N Hobbes                             
  Robert Sevin           Foozball             

New players who are not active:
  Meme Complex                                

====================================================
Wayne, your friendly Tabulator
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Proposal 796 - Tue May 21 00:13:57 EDT 1996
Make 452 mutable
this is not a name  (Mike Epstein)

The passage of this proposal would make Rule 452 mutable.

[[

Rule 452/1 (Immutable)
Rule Titles

       Each Rule shall have a Title. Each Proposal shall also
       have a Title. When a Proposal is submitted, the player
       that submits it may indicate the Title for the Proposal. If
       the player doesn't indicate a Title for the Proposal then
       the Promoter shall select a Title. 

       If the Proposal passes and the Proposal creates a New
       Rule, then the New Rule shall have the Title of the
       Proposal. If the Proposal amends or mutates a Rule, the
       Title of the Rule shall remain unchanged. 

       Once a Rule has a Title, the only way that the Rule may
       have its Title changed is if a Proposal is passed which
       changes the Title. 

  Created by Proposal 452, Mar 14 1996
  Transmuted to Immutable by Rule 446, Mar 14 1996

]]

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 11:14:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ackanomic: Judgement 170

Judgement 170
  Subject:  Silliness
Initiator:  this is not a name
    Judge:  Brinjal (selected at 1430h CDT on 24 May 1996)
Judgement:  False

Statement:
> Bascule receives 5 points and is silly because Proposal 728 passed.

this is not a name's comments:
> Reasoning:
> Proposal 728 reads:
> >Proposal 728 - Thu May 09 02:12:03 EDT 1996
> >That's just silly
> >Bascule  (Matt Black)
> >
> >If an adopted proposal contains the phrase "cows eat grass", 
> >then the proposer who proposed the change is said to be silly,
> >and shall score 5 points.
> >
> >[[ This rule does not apply to this rule. ]]
> 
> According to rule 545 (quoted in part):
> >Any text in doube square brackets [[e.g this]] is considered to be a 
> >temporary note provided by the author, but meant to be excluded completly 
> >from the text of the rule when it is officially published. This rule 
> >expilcitly does not apply to this rule.
> 
> So the statement that Rule 728 does not apply to itself is nonexistent. 
> Therefore, since Proposal 728 was adopted at the time its Rule took 
> effect, Bascule is silly and he must receive 5 points.

Brinjal's comments:
> It seems clear that the disclaimer in double square brackets is a 
> temporary note and should be ignored. This leaves the issue of whether 
> applying this rule to the proposal which created it contravenes R106 
> which bars "retroactive application" of rules.
> 
> The rules do not state whether any delay or grace period is applicable 
> to the adoption of proposals, or whether the process of adoption is 
> instantaneous. Either way though, the rule change cannot take effect 
> until the proposal has been adopted. The one must always *follow* the 
> other. A rule change can not be simultaneously in effect and in the 
> process of being adopted.
> It therefore seems that to apply R728 to the proposal which created it 
> would fall foul of R106 in being retroactive, even if the amount of time 
> involved may be almost infinitely small.

- --Mohammed, Clerk of the Courts

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 11:23:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 827

> Proposal 827 - Tue May 28 10:52:17 EDT 1996
> The Amber Banana
> Techno  (Jerome Herrman)
>       Any player whose proposal number, when having its digits added 
> together, equals exactly 21 [ex. prop 777], shall have the right to 
> purchase one Amber Banana from Techno's Amber Banana Tree.  The price 
> for one Amber Banana shall be A$10., payable to Techno.
	[...]
> the first place. [in effect, purchasing one vote from Techno]
	There's nothing preventing you from doing this outside the 
rules.  Why should we award you points for passing rules that have no
effect on play?  (More importantly for me, why should we further clutter up 
the ruleset?)

- --Mohammed

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 11:31:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ackanomic:  Official

Well, I forgot.

The Magic Potato goes to Merlin the Happy Pig.  Since Merlin doesn't have 
any proposals in queue, he won't get any points this week.

I'm taking chess piece face's dropping off the face of the earth to be an 
indication that he can't be bothered to deal with Phoebe; the steel flea 
was found this morning by SnafuMoose.

Enjoy!

- --Mohammed

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 14:22:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: ackanomic: web update

Most of the files on my (still unofficial) version of the Ackanomic
web page have been fully updated, except for some of the icons and
buttons.  I have also made icons for many of the things that may
be awarded, like the magic potato, chartreuse goose eggs, phoebe's
matchbox, the blue cross, etc.
These icons appear at the top of the page listing the players, and also next
to the appropriate players.  I haven't updated offices on this page that
haven't been filled by our acting speaker yet.

The rules, proposals, CFJs, etc. have been updated on the appropriate
pages.

http://wilma.che.utexas.edu/~devjoe/acka/

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 19:37:53 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ackanomic: Official 

chess piece face and Simon Marty Harriman have temporarily lost their
Internet access and want to be put on vacation, as do I.

Robert Sevin

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 19:41:02 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ackanomic: Discussion (Question) 

I have heard that there are other Ackanomic web pages currently in
existence... Does this mean that someone else wishes to run the Ackanomic
web page? Please let me know so I can get mine caught back up, or relinquish
the duties to someone else...

Robert Sevin

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 19:39:31 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ackanomic: Official 

>From: Sean Crystal <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Marmalade in my shorts
>To: [email-masked] (Mitchell Harfing)
>Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 15:11:35 -0400 (EDT)
>
>I have sent a message to Paul to put me back in Ackanomic.  Remember the
Alamo...
>
>Sean

Please forward this to whoever is currently acting in a Registrarly capacity
(since cpf is unavailable)...

Robert Sevin

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 20:01:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Discussion (Question)

> I have heard that there are other Ackanomic web pages currently in
> existence... Does this mean that someone else wishes to run the Ackanomic
> web page? Please let me know so I can get mine caught back up, or relinquish
> the duties to someone else...

I have made a copy of your pages and updated them.  Also made silly icons
for the magic potato, right-handed grapefruit, blue cross, etc.
They are at http://wilma.che.utexas.edu/~devjoe/acka/
Except for some of the pictures (I plan on mostly replacing yours, just
because the pictures are what gives a web page its flavor), it is all
updated.

Some people think your resignation wasn't proper because you were on vacation
when you did it, or some such.  Anyway, if you send a message saying you
are back from vacation, then resign from offices & perhaps appoint successors
to some or all of them, and return to vacation, then the game would really
get going. I have volunteered for web-harfer, and also cpf's registrar office.

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 21:37:21 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ackanomic: Official 

>I am now returning from vacation.

Oops -- Err, I am now returning TO vacation.

Robert Sevin

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 21:36:49 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ackanomic: Official 

I officially declare myself off vacation.

I resign from all of my offices.

I appoint /dev/joe to be Web-Harfer and Registrar.

I appoint Bascule to be appointer, and will allow him to fill the rest of
the vacancies.

(I am not sure if it is legally within my rights to appoint these offices to
others, but I was advised to do so).

I am now returning from vacation.

Robert Sevin

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Date: Tue, 28 May 96 22:55:23 -0400
From: this is not a name <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Official

>I appoint Bascule to be appointer, and will allow him to fill the rest of
>the vacancies.
>
>(I am not sure if it is legally within my rights to appoint these offices to
>others, but I was advised to do so).

Bascule can only be an Acting Appointer. The Appointer is an elected 
office and it would not be within the rules to have it permanently 
assigned to someone.

I'd like to thank Robert Sevin for all the work he's done on Ackanomic. I 
hope he can rejoin us as an active player in the future.

this is not a name
Ackanomic Historian

- --
        Mike Epstein     [email-masked]     Long Island, NY
"Was it you or your brother who was killed in the war?"
                                       --William Spooner
http://www.nyiq.net/~epstein/          Finger for PGP 2.6.2 public key

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