Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #15
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Ackanomic Digest         Monday, May 27 1996         Volume 01 : Number 015

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Date: Sun, 26 May 96 18:59:58 -0400
From: this is not a name <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic:  CSRR Campaigning

Quoth /dev/joe:
>> As CSRR I promise that I will examine the rules and issue a Common Sense
>> Report only when i discover a glaring inconsistancy in the rules.  I shall
>> be responsive to players suggestions, but I will not issue CSRs to gain
>> political favor.
>> 
>> snowgod
>> Your Common Sense Candidate for CSRR
>
>I support snowgod for CSRR officer.

Me too. If people don't want CSRR to do anything, they should repeal it. 
But it passed, and there's an obligation to fill it with someone who 
respects the rule that created it.

- --
        Mike Epstein     [email-masked]     Long Island, NY
           What was sliced bread the greatest thing since?
http://www.nyiq.net/~epstein/          Finger for PGP 2.6.2 public key

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Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 00:05:25 +0000
From: Matt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: CSRR Campaigning

This is not a name wrote:
> If people don't want CSRR to do anything, they should repeal it. 
> But it passed, and there's an obligation to fill it with someone who 
> respects the rule that created it.

Hmm. Ours is a cunning, underhand, sneaky way of making sure
the rule has no effect without bothering to repeal it.

Bascule 

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 15:21:18 -0800
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: CSRR Campaigning

At 12:05 AM 5/27/96, Matt wrote:
>This is not a name wrote:
>> If people don't want CSRR to do anything, they should repeal it.
>> But it passed, and there's an obligation to fill it with someone who
>> respects the rule that created it.
>
>Hmm. Ours is a cunning, underhand, sneaky way of making sure
>the rule has no effect without bothering to repeal it.
>
>Bascule

Hmm, Sounds like a lazy underhanded way of doing what you might not have
the popular support to do otherwise.  And what's this ALMOST absolutly
nothing bit?  If elected CSRR do you actually plan to do something?  Why
would anyone endorse a candidate who is not even sure what he would do once
elected CSRR.

snowgod for CSRR!
Protect the Rules! (all of them, not just the ones I don't like!)
Your Common Sense Candidate for CSRR!

"He belongs to that race of men who are always their adversary's best
champions."

- - Umberto Eco
  The Name of the Rose

Visit http://www.alaska.net/~snowgod for the ultimate source
of Information on Thinumabobs and Whatchamacallits.

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 18:32:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Misc: Campaign Rally

> VOTE BASCULE FOR CSRR! BASCULE FOR CSRR!
> 
> If elected as CSRR I will do ALMOST ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

> If elected as CSRR, CONFUSION over the legal GUMBALL
> CHEWING-TIMES will CONTINUE!

So is *this* the little that you are actually going to do as CSRR?
Since proposal 700 passed the gumball times have been perfectly clear.

No thanks.

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Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 00:35:55 +0000
From: Matt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: CSRR Campaigning

The runner-up in the forthcoming election wrote:
> Hmm, Sounds like a lazy underhanded way of doing what you might not have
> the popular support to do otherwise.  And what's this ALMOST absolutly
> nothing bit?  If elected CSRR do you actually plan to do something?  Why
> would anyone endorse a candidate who is not even sure what he would do once
> elected CSRR.

OK. The CSRR post is very powerful. There is a danger that 
legislation with far-reaching consequences might reach the statute 
without the proper process of voting. An active CSRR officer might
produce a large volume of CSRs that don't get the scrutiny they
deserve. 

Let me clarify my position. I will do nothing as CSRR to alter the
rules. I might find a little nonsense irresistible, eg "When 
submitting proposals, proposers must wear little purple hats".
If I submit any silliness, I'll vote against it myself.

The ruleset will remain unchanged with Bascule as CSRR

Bascule
Protect the Rules

 

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Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 00:41:51 +0000
From: Matt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: CSRR Campaigning

Snowgod scribbled:
> Hmm, Sounds like a lazy underhanded way of doing what you might not have
> the popular support to do otherwise.

Hmm. Not LAZY! All this campaigning takes a lot of work ;-)

Bascule

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Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 00:47:34 +0000
From: Matt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: CSRR Campaigning

I've just had a message from University Security here that my
car's been broken into. 

_bollocks_and_arse_

I bet it was Snowgod, trying to scupper my campaign

Bascule

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 15:59:34 -0800
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: CSRR Campaigning

At 12:47 AM 5/27/96, Matt wrote:
>I've just had a message from University Security here that my
>car's been broken into.
>
>_bollocks_and_arse_
>
>I bet it was Snowgod, trying to scupper my campaign
>
>Bascule

Snowgod would never stoop to such lows to ruin someone's campaign.  And
besides, it's a long flight from Alaska to Texas just to find out campaign
secrets.  No, I imagine it was one of my minions (there's thousands of us
you know - G. Gordon Liddy is one of my "Advisors" in this race :) ).  And
I imagine he was breaking into your car to plant a bug, so that we could
all hear your cries of anguish when you come in a distant second in the
race for CSRR.

snowgod
who would never stoop that low
and who will be your next CSRR!

** Be Kind, Rewind, and Look out for the Little People**

"He belongs to that race of men who are always their adversary's best
champions."

- - Umberto Eco
  The Name of the Rose

Visit http://www.alaska.net/~snowgod for the ultimate source
of Information on Thinumabobs and Whatchamacallits.

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 16:14:53 -0800
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Acka: Misc: CSRR 

Fist we had a candidate who would do absolutely nothing, then almost
nothing, an now maybe a few silly things if elected CSRR.  Do you want
someone who may or may not change the rule set bsed on how bored he is?  I
didn't think so.

I"'ve said it before and I'll say it again...

As CSRR I promise that I will examine the rules and issue a Common Sense
Report only when i discover a glaring inconsistancy in the rules.  I shall
be responsive to players suggestions, but I will not issue CSRs to gain
political favor.

snowgod
Your Common Sense Candidate for CSRR.

"He belongs to that race of men who are always their adversary's best
champions."

- - Umberto Eco
  The Name of the Rose

Visit http://www.alaska.net/~snowgod for the ultimate source
of Information on Thinumabobs and Whatchamacallits.

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 19:25:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: P793 passes unanimously, P794 passes, and web-harfer stuff

An interesting situation has occurred.
Proposal 793, "No Proposal Bribery", passed unanimously.  Rule 446
thus transmutes this rule to become immutable.
The next thing that happened was Proposal 794 passed, creating the
"Renumbering Proposals" rule which attempts to renumber recently
created rules to match their proposal numbers.  At first, I thought
"Oh S--t! 'No Proposal Bribery' won't get renumbered."  However,
I don't see anything in the rules which would prevent a mutable rule
from renumbering an immutable rule.

In any case, having volunteered to be Web-Harfer, I am preparing for the
possibility of taking this office by putting together updated lists of
the rules and of the PROPOSALS.  I made a copy of Robert Sevin's web pages,
and placed them in 
    http://wilma.che.utexas.edu/~devjoe/acka/
I think I got all the sub-pages, but I didn't get around to getting all
the pictures so there will be a lot of "broken picture" icons on them
for now.  I will probably want to put my own pictures in there anyway.
ONLY the rules and proposals have been updated; the rest is the same
as on Robert Sevin's page, for now anyway.  I will update stuff as
I have the chance.

I haven't yet applied rule 682 to the old rules, but I will do so as
I have time.  I think all the proposals on record have player names
associated with them, although until around proposal 400 or so only
the real names are recorded -- but since the rule on Ackanomic Names
only began with proposal 383, this sounds about right.

I also need to apply some other changes due to rule 703.  As far as
I know, the only cases where 703 has been used besides renaming itself
were on some of Nicolo Flychuck's proposals (Institutions, etc.).

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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 22:43:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: appealing CFJ 164

While I was trying to sort out the Judgements for the web pages, I realized
that somebody should appeal this before the one week runs out on it.

So, I'll do it.  I appeal the ruling on 164 to the supreme court, on the
basis that not only does the ruling go against the text of the rules
(although R443 said the speaker was not a voter, the rules governing
voting say that each *player*, not *voter*, gets one vote), but also because
by the time the judgement was returned, Rule 443 had been repealed!

Of course, since we only have one justice, who is on vacation, this
might be held up for a while.  That's OK, I can wait. :-)

> Judgement 164
>   Subject:  The Speaker and the Voters
> Initiator:  Simon Marty Harriman
> 1st Judge:  Bascule (selected at 1026h on 4 May 1996)
> Judgement:  (failed to respond)
> 2nd Judge:  Techno (selected at 1329h on 20 May 1996)
> Judgement:  True
> 
> Statement:
> > Robert Sevin cannot vote on proposals according to rule 443/1
> 
> Techno's comments:
> > I have to rule this true as written. 443/1 says a player is either a 
> > voter or the speaker, but cannot be both at the same time.

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