Subject: acka-voting-digest V3 #177
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acka-voting-digest      Friday, October 23 1998      Volume 03 : Number 177

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:29:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Proposal 3639 rejected

Proposal 3639

Votes: 11/23 (7 YES votes): Quorum not met

Yes:
  risE                 (Klingon)
  Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
  Slakko               (SPAM)
  /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
  JT                   (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Studge               (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Wild Card            (SPAM)

No:
  A mean Hat           (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  K 2                  
  Rambo R Minuteman    (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Rex Mundi            (Klingon)

Abstain
  Leather Artifact     (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Aunt Froot           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Fortunato            
  Calvin N Hobbes      (HARF)
  404 Not Found        (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Robin Hood           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Vynd                 (Vulcan)
  saaremaa             (Vulcan)
  ThinMan              (Vulcan)
  IdiotBoy             (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  The Green Ripper     (The Razor Boomerangs)
  two-star             

Vacationing & did not vote:
  AJ                   
  breadbox             
  J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
  rufus                (SPAM)

>Subject: Acka: Proposal 3639
>
>Proposal 3639
>hmmm
>saaremaa
>Due: Fri Oct 23 23:57:19 1998
>
>
>This is a Modest proposal.
>
>{{[I think this is more covered by the pragmatism clause than
>game custom :-)  I'm not sure why trinket creations at the *end*
>of the message always are the ones to fail.  I'll fix rule 215 
>also if I have the time.]}}
>
>----------------
>
>Amend rule 373, "Public Actions", to add the following new paragraph
>directly after the third paragraph.
>
>"
>If more than one action is attempted in a single public message,
>each action is attempted in the order it appears in the message
>(as written English is customarily read), with an infinitesimal 
>time separating each attempt.  If the order of two or more actions
>in a public message is ambiguous, all actions attempted in that
>message fail.
>"
>

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:29:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Proposal 3642 accepted

Proposal 3642

Votes: 11/23 (9 YES votes): Quorum met by YES votes only
Yes votes: 9/10: proposal accepted

Yes:
  Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
  A mean Hat           (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Slakko               (SPAM)
  /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
  Rambo R Minuteman    (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
  JT                   (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Studge               (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Wild Card            (SPAM)

No:
  K 2                  

Baa:
  risE                 (Klingon)

Abstain
  Leather Artifact     (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Aunt Froot           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Fortunato            
  Calvin N Hobbes      (HARF)
  404 Not Found        (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Robin Hood           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Vynd                 (Vulcan)
  saaremaa             (Vulcan)
  ThinMan              (Vulcan)
  IdiotBoy             (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  The Green Ripper     (The Razor Boomerangs)
  two-star             

Vacationing & did not vote:
  AJ                   
  breadbox             
  J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
  rufus                (SPAM)

>Subject: Acka: Proposal 3642
>
>Proposal 3642
>Duel Game Blackballing
>saaremaa
>Due: Fri Oct 23 23:58:00 1998
>
>
>This is a Modest proposal
>
>{{[some things may not be fair as duel games sometimes, or simply
>would be no fun to play for a particular player.  For example, 
>imagine playing Bacon with only Brazilian films.  (That's how I 
>feel about playing Bacon with American films :-); how would a 
>Brazilian feel?  Well, I don't know of course, but you get the idea :-)).
>
>While this isn't a perfect solution, it would allow me to challenge
>Alfvaen or K 2 to a duel, and think it could be fun :-)  I am
>giving A Mean Hat a point, because while I had this idea a while ago,
>eir discussion of a new possible duel reminded me of it.  If e changes
>eir name, too bad.  Also, if we ever classify games for something 
>like the apprentice adept grid, this should be expanded too, but that 
>is for later.]}}
>
>{{A Mean Hat. receives 1 point; saaremaa loses 1 point.}}
>
>------------
>
>Amend rule 1215, "Duels" to replace:
>
>"
>The Second posts a public message, which announces the name of the 
>Challenging player, the name of the Challenged player, the reason
>for the Challenge, and the fact that a Challenge has been made. 
>"
>
>with (delimited by double dollar signs):
>
>$$
>The Second posts a public message, which announces the name of the 
>Challenging player, the name of the Challenged player, the reason
>for the Challenge, the fact that a Challenge has been made, and
>optionally, the name of a Game or Contest that "is passe".
>$$
>
>;
>
>then amend that same rule to replace 
>"determining a winner, or a winning team." with:
>
>"
>determining a winner (or a winning team), and it must not have been
>declared passe in the Challenge.
>"
>

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:29:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Proposal 3643 accepted

Proposal 3643

Votes: 11/23 (10 YES votes): Quorum met by YES votes only
Yes votes: 10/11: proposal accepted

Yes:
  risE                 (Klingon)
  Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
  A mean Hat           (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Slakko               (SPAM)
  /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
  Rambo R Minuteman    (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
  JT                   (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Studge               (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Wild Card            (SPAM)

No:
  K 2                  

Abstain
  Leather Artifact     (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Aunt Froot           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Fortunato            
  Calvin N Hobbes      (HARF)
  404 Not Found        (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Robin Hood           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Vynd                 (Vulcan)
  saaremaa             (Vulcan)
  ThinMan              (Vulcan)
  IdiotBoy             (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  The Green Ripper     (The Razor Boomerangs)
  two-star             

Vacationing & did not vote:
  AJ                   
  breadbox             
  J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
  rufus                (SPAM)

>Subject: Acka: Proposal 3643
>
>Proposal 3643
>A small fix to puppetheads
>JT
>Due: Fri Oct 23 23:58:48 1998
>
>This is a modest proposal.
>
>{{[
>This is to fix the problem that pulled Rig R. Mortis off of vacation
>and Piz, Ethelred and marsboy off of On-Ice
>]}}
>
>In rule 207, section IV, replace the phrase 'After a player has possessed
>a Puppet Head for seven consecutive days' with 'After an active player has
>possessed a Puppet Head for seven consecutive days'.
>
>In rule 207, section IV, append the following text delimited by FIX to the
>end of the paragraph.
>FIX
>If a player who has a Puppet Head goes On Ice or Vacationing, the Puppet
>Head is immediately destroyed.
>FIX
>
>Create a rule numbered 1 with the following text as delimited by FIXES
>FIXES
>{{
>Rig R. Mortis is considered to have gone Vacationing as of September
>29th, 1998 with an expected date of return of November 2, 1998.
>
>marsboy is considered to have gone On Ice on September 30, 1998.
>Piz is considered to have gone On Ice on Septmeber 28, 1998.
>Ethelred is considered to have gone On Ice on September 28, 1998.
>
>These effects have precedence over all other rules.
>}}
>{{[
>This should fix the problems and then delete itself.  Set to rule
>number 1 so that it has sufficient precedence, and then explicitly
>claims precedence to defeat the anti-precedence clause of rule 103 or
>101 if Saaremaa's changes go through which is why I did it this way.
>]}}
>FIXES

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:29:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Proposal 3644 accepted

Proposal 3644

Votes: 11/23 (10 YES votes): Quorum met by YES votes only
Yes votes: 10/11: proposal accepted

Yes:
  risE                 (Klingon)
  Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
  A mean Hat           (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Slakko               (SPAM)
  /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
  Rambo R Minuteman    (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
  JT                   (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Studge               (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Wild Card            (SPAM)

No:
  K 2                  

Abstain
  Leather Artifact     (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Aunt Froot           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Fortunato            
  Calvin N Hobbes      (HARF)
  404 Not Found        (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Robin Hood           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Vynd                 (Vulcan)
  saaremaa             (Vulcan)
  ThinMan              (Vulcan)
  IdiotBoy             (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  The Green Ripper     (The Razor Boomerangs)
  two-star             

Vacationing & did not vote:
  AJ                   
  breadbox             
  J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
  rufus                (SPAM)

>Subject: Acka: Proposal 3644
>
>Proposal 3644
>Reinstalling Brie
>JT
>Due: Fri Oct 23 23:58:48 1998
>
>This is a modest proposal.
>
>{{[Let's see if I get it right this time]}}
>
>Append the following BRIE delimited text to rule 611 (Le Grand Fromage)
>BRIE
>A player receives a brie when they win a Duel. If a player owns a brie
>when they lose a Duel, that brie is destroyed.
>BRIE
>
>{{Slakko gains 1 point, JT loses 1 point}}

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:29:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Proposal 3645 rejected

Proposal 3645

Votes: 11/23 (8 YES votes): Quorum not met

Yes:
  Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
  A mean Hat           (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
  Rambo R Minuteman    (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
  JT                   (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Studge               (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Wild Card            (SPAM)

No:
  Slakko               (SPAM)
  K 2                  

Baa:
  risE                 (Klingon)

Abstain
  Leather Artifact     (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Aunt Froot           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Fortunato            
  Calvin N Hobbes      (HARF)
  404 Not Found        (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Robin Hood           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Vynd                 (Vulcan)
  saaremaa             (Vulcan)
  ThinMan              (Vulcan)
  IdiotBoy             (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  The Green Ripper     (The Razor Boomerangs)
  two-star             

Vacationing & did not vote:
  AJ                   
  breadbox             
  J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
  rufus                (SPAM)

>Subject: Acka: Proposal 3645
>
>Proposal 3645
>Small Double Crash change
>JT
>Due: Fri Oct 23 23:58:49 1998
>
>This is a modest proposal.
>
>{{[
>It allows double crash to be played on an IRC server (easy to do) and
>allows the two players to agreet hat the game was correct before the 3 day
>limit is up, thus ending it quicker.
>]}}
>
>
>In rule 1250.12 (Double Crash), section IV, replace the following WAIT
>delimited text
>WAIT
>Once a tentative winner is found, the two players shall reveal their
>respective Target Words. The players may then examine each others' plays
>for errors. If no actual errors are found within three days, the tentative
>winner wins the game.
>WAIT
>
>with the following WAIT_OR_AGREE delimited text
>
>WAIT_OR_AGREE
>Once a tentative winner is found, the two players shall reveal their
>respective Target Words.  The players then have three days during which
>they may examine each other's plays for errors.  If during those three
>days, both players publically post their agrement that no errors occured,
>or if no actual errors are found, then the tentative winner wins the game.
>WAIT_OR_AGREE

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:29:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Proposal 3648 rejected

Proposal 3648

Votes: 12/23 (7 YES votes): Quorum not met

Tammany Bribes:
A mean Hat A$25 yes

Yes:
  Leather Artifact     (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Bonus Vote (A mean Hat)
  risE                 (Klingon)
  A mean Hat           (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
  Rambo R Minuteman    (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Giant Objectionable Potato Unity Vote
  Studge               (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Tammany
  Wild Card            (SPAM)

No:
  Slakko               (SPAM)
  K 2                  
  Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
  JT                   (The Razor Boomerangs)

Baa:
  Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)

Abstain
  Aunt Froot           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Fortunato            
  Calvin N Hobbes      (HARF)
  404 Not Found        (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Robin Hood           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Vynd                 (Vulcan)
  saaremaa             (Vulcan)
  ThinMan              (Vulcan)
  IdiotBoy             (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  The Green Ripper     (The Razor Boomerangs)
  two-star             

Vacationing & did not vote:
  AJ                   
  breadbox             
  J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
  rufus                (SPAM)

>Subject: Acka: Proposal 3648
>
>Proposal 3648
>Free Range Chickens.
>IdiotBoy
>Due: Sat Oct 24 00:55:13 1998
>
>{{The current Government Type is set to Anarchy.  This rule takes
>precedence ovar any which would prohibit this change.}}

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:29:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Proposal 3647 rejected

Proposal 3647

Votes: 11/23 (8 YES votes): Quorum not met

Yes:
  Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
  A mean Hat           (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Slakko               (SPAM)
  /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
  Rambo R Minuteman    (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
  JT                   (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Studge               (Giant Objectionable Potato)

No:
  K 2                  
  Wild Card            (SPAM)

Baa:
  risE                 (Klingon)

Abstain
  Leather Artifact     (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Aunt Froot           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Fortunato            
  Calvin N Hobbes      (HARF)
  404 Not Found        (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Robin Hood           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Vynd                 (Vulcan)
  saaremaa             (Vulcan)
  ThinMan              (Vulcan)
  IdiotBoy             (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  The Green Ripper     (The Razor Boomerangs)
  two-star             

Vacationing & did not vote:
  AJ                   
  breadbox             
  J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
  rufus                (SPAM)

>Subject: Acka: Proposal 3647
>
>Proposal 3647
>The Meaning of Ping (substantially different)
>saaremaa
>Due: Sat Oct 24 00:39:37 1998
>
>
>This is a Modest proposal.
>
>{{[this takes a little hubert out of the machine game.  Instead of
>being within 12 seconds of the sixth ping (and playing games trying to
>guess at what time scholars have their cron jobs set for :-)), you
>can bid for a magic letter within 12 hours, and buy the right to pick
>if you want to spend enough money.  The 12 hours is a compromise between
>letting some of the hubert out, and not letting the letter guessing
>get too far behind the next pings]}}
>
>{{saaremaa loses 2 points; JT gains 1 point; /dev/joe gains 1 point
>[several ideas were kicked around on irc, this one seemed to be the one
>to go with]}}
>
>---------------
>
>Amend Rule 1209, "The Machine That Goes *ping*", to replace section VII.
>with this:
>
>" 
>VII. If the Machine has gone *ping* at least six times since a Magic 
>Letter was named that was considered by the Scholar, and at least six 
>times during the current Scholar's term, any active player other than 
>the Scholar or the most recent player whose magic letter choice was
>considred may name a letter of the alphabet not already considered 
>as the Magic Letter during the current scholar's term to be the Magic 
>Letter by so posting to the public forum.  Such post must include with 
>it a sum of A$ that is at least as much as the Magic Letter Premium 
>for the letter named, and no more than the posting player has.
>
>For all letters of the alphabet named (as described above) within the 
>first 12 hours since the *ping* that initiated this round of letter 
>naming, the Scholar shall consider the one guess with the most A$ 
>associated with it.  If two or more guesses hold this distinction,
>the Scholar shall decide which of those guesses to consider.  If no
>letters are named within the first 12 hours as above, the Scholar shall
>consider the first letter named in this round of letter naming.
>
>The Scholar must respond within three days by naming the guess
>that was considered, and by publically reposting the Machine's truth
>in its disguised form, except that any * representing the Magic Letter 
>or any letter previously named the Magic Letter during the current 
>Scholar's term shall be replaced with the actual letter or letters 
>represented. The player whose post was considered then forfeits the
>sum of A$ associated with eir post. 
>
>The Magic Letter Premium is based on the following schedule: A$25 
>for Common vowels ('a', 'e', 'i', 'o'), A$15 for Common consonants 
>('d', 'l', 'n', 'r', 's', 't'), and A$5 for all other letters.
>"
>

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:29:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Proposal 3650 rejected

Proposal 3650

Votes: 11/23 (3 YES votes): Quorum not met

Yes:
  A mean Hat           (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
  Studge               (Giant Objectionable Potato)

No:
  risE                 (Klingon)
  Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
  Slakko               (SPAM)
  K 2                  
  Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
  JT                   (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Wild Card            (SPAM)

Baa:
  Rambo R Minuteman    (The Razor Boomerangs)

Abstain
  Leather Artifact     (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Aunt Froot           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Fortunato            
  Calvin N Hobbes      (HARF)
  404 Not Found        (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Robin Hood           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Vynd                 (Vulcan)
  saaremaa             (Vulcan)
  ThinMan              (Vulcan)
  IdiotBoy             (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  The Green Ripper     (The Razor Boomerangs)
  two-star             

Vacationing & did not vote:
  AJ                   
  breadbox             
  J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
  rufus                (SPAM)

>Subject: Acka: Proposal 3650
>
>Proposal 3650
>Generic Proposal Title #3650
>A mean Hat
>Due: Sat Oct 24 01:02:25 1998
>
>
>Create a new rule as a member of the Games & Contests Rule Suite entitled
>
>"Magic the Gathering" with the following COPPER-delimited text:
>
>COPPER
>
>{{[ It seems that Ackanomic has no direct relationship with Magic the
>Gathering. Let's change that]}}
>
>1) General Equipment
>
>Any method the players agree upon for handling the distribution of cards,
>with the default being the following:
>
>An Ackanomic IRC server.
>
>The mIRC Magic the Gathering program Tome [available at the non-Ackanomic
>affiliated site
>http://members.xoom.com/ChaosKnights/tome411u.zip or
>http://members.xoom.com/ChaosKnights/tome411.zip for versions of mIRC
>before 5.4]
>
>The Magic the Gathering program Apprentice, available at the non-Ackanomic
>affiliated site
>http://www.planeswalker.com/apprentice/download/
>
>2) Number of Players
>
>At least 2 players are required. The maximum number of players is the
>
>number of players in Ackanomic.
>
>3) Number of referees
>
>This game, by default, uses no referees. Optionally, a referee may be used
>to determine the distribution of cards and to
>adjudicate disputes. This referee receives no compensation.
>
>4) Starting the game
>
>The game begins with a random ordering of all the players to see what order
>play occurs in. If there are only two players,
>the "first" player has the option to either play first or draw first, as
>per the rules. If there are more than two players,
>this determination actually determines play order.
>
>5) Joining and Leaving a Game in Progress
>
>A game of Magic the Gathering cannot be joined once it has begun. Leaving a
>game results in forfeiture of the game.
>
>6) Rules
>
>This game cannot be used in a duel unless both parties are able to play it
>[This is because the game equipment is specific
>to certain operating systems and thus not all players can play it]
>
>The rules and eratta for Magic the Gathering from the Wizards of the Coast
>website are used. These are available at the
>following URL:
>
>http://www.wizards.com/Magic/MTG_Rules.html
>
>If all the players agree beforehand, eeach may each put up an ante of one
>or more tradeable entities that e owns. While a
>player is playing a game of Magic the Gathering, the ante e put in is still
>considered to belong to em, but it may not be
>spent voluntarily. Once a player has lost, eir ante is forfeited to the
>pot, and does not count as being owned by em any
>more. If there is no winner of a game of Magic the Gathering then any ante
>that was forfeited to the pot is returned to the
>treasury if possible, destroyed if not.
>
>The following are "House Rules" for multiplayer games, and may be changed
>prior to beginning a game if all players agree to
>do so.
>
>          When a player loses, all of their permanents are removed from the
>game. Any enchantments on these permanents are
>          buried. Players may respond with fast effects to a player
>forfeiting the game.
>
>          During an attack declaration, the attacker need not specify which
>opponent(s) e is going to attack. More than one
>          opponent may be attacked, although each creature may still only
>attack once per turn, unless a rules effect
>          specifies otherwise
>
>7) Other information needed to play
>
>A game of Magic the Gathering should specify what "type" is being played.
>This has influence on the legal cards and sets
>involved in the game. The date (for purposes of the determination of what
>sets and cards are legal) is assumed to be the
>date in Ackanomic time at the beginning of the game.
>
>8) Conditions for winning the game
>
>If all the players but one have lost, that player wins the game. If one
>player wins due to a rule effect, that player is
>the winner. If there is a draw, due to a rule effect, or if all the players
>lose, there is no winner.
>
>9) Trophies
>
>The winner receives no trophy in a game of Magic the Gathering
>
>10) Ending the game
>
>When a player wins, the rules cause a draw, or one or fewer players have
>not lost, the game ends. 
>
>COPPER
>

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:29:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Proposal 3652 rejected

Proposal 3652

Votes: 12/23 (4 YES votes): Quorum not met

Yes:
  A mean Hat           (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
  Studge               (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Wild Card            (SPAM)

No:
  Fortunato            
  Slakko               (SPAM)
  K 2                  
  Rambo R Minuteman    (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
  JT                   (The Razor Boomerangs)

Baa:
  risE                 (Klingon)
  Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)

Abstain
  Leather Artifact     (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Aunt Froot           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Calvin N Hobbes      (HARF)
  404 Not Found        (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Robin Hood           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Vynd                 (Vulcan)
  saaremaa             (Vulcan)
  ThinMan              (Vulcan)
  IdiotBoy             (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  The Green Ripper     (The Razor Boomerangs)
  two-star             

Vacationing & did not vote:
  AJ                   
  breadbox             
  J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
  rufus                (SPAM)

>Subject: Acka: Proposal 3652
>
>Proposal 3652
>Generic Proposal Title #3652
>A mean Hat
>Due: Sat Oct 24 01:04:38 1998
>
>
>{{[I remembered Trust Funds from the rules, so I went to look them up.
>Imagine my surprise when I found that they were puny organizations that A)
>were not tax-exempt B) could do very little  Now, I understand the need for
>the tax-exemption, but I think Trust Funds should be able to do more.  Bury
>treasure, for example.]}}
>
>Amend Rule 1011 (Excavation Permit) by replacing the following
>GERMANIUM-delimited text
>
>GERMANIUM
>An Organization that is not a VSO and owns an Excavation Permit may: 
>i) Accept tradable entities for the purposes of burying em as a treasure.
>If the Organization would otherwise be unable to own a type of entity it
>will be transferred to the treasury after a period of 1 week if it has not
>been buried as a treasure. 
>ii) May, as an action, bury any tradable entities that it owns as a
>treasure as described in rule 1217. 
>iii) May legally own any entity that has been part of a buried treasure
>during the previous two weeks. 
>GERMANIUM
>
>with the following ARSENIC-delimited text
>
>ARSENIC
>An Organization that owns an Excavation Permit and is either a trust fund
>or not a VSO may: 
>i) Accept tradable entities for the purposes of burying em as a treasure.
>If the Organization would otherwise be unable to own a type of entity it
>will be transferred to
>the treasury after a period of 1 week if it has not been buried as a
>treasure. 
>ii) May, as an action, bury any tradable entities that it owns as a
>treasure as described in rule 1217. 
>
>An Organization that owns an Excavation Permit and is not a VSO may: 
>i) May legally own any entity that has been part of a buried treasure
>during the previous two weeks. 
>ARSENIC
>
>In rule 1017 (trusts) replace the following SELENIUM-delimited text
>SELENIUM
>it acts like a VSO with two exception: no one may join it, and it
>may perform the additional organizational action of accepting a charter. 
>SELENIUM
>
>with the following BROMINE-delimited text
>
>BROMINE
>it acts like a VSO with four exceptions: no one may join it, it may
>purchase an excavation permit, it may make and own trinkets, and it may
>perform the additional organizational action of accepting a charter. 
>BROMINE
>

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:29:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Proposal 3653 rejected

Proposal 3653

Votes: 12/23 (5 YES votes): Quorum not met

Yes:
  risE                 (Klingon)
  Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
  A mean Hat           (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Studge               (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Wild Card            (SPAM)

No:
  Fortunato            
  Slakko               (SPAM)
  K 2                  
  /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
  Rambo R Minuteman    (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
  JT                   (The Razor Boomerangs)

Abstain
  Leather Artifact     (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Aunt Froot           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Calvin N Hobbes      (HARF)
  404 Not Found        (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Robin Hood           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Vynd                 (Vulcan)
  saaremaa             (Vulcan)
  ThinMan              (Vulcan)
  IdiotBoy             (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  The Green Ripper     (The Razor Boomerangs)
  two-star             

Vacationing & did not vote:
  AJ                   
  breadbox             
  J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
  rufus                (SPAM)

>Subject: Acka: Proposal 3653
>
>Proposal 3653
>Generic Proposal Title #3653
>A mean Hat
>Due: Sat Oct 24 01:05:21 1998
>
>
>Amend Rule 320.3 (Despotism) to read in full: 
>
>When Despotism is the Proto-Government the OiCoRT should also randomly
>select an active voting player. For the whole time The Current Government of
>Ackanomia is Despotism this player is known as The Despot and is the only
>player eligible to vote on proposals. However The Despot is not allowed to
>submit
>proposals. In addition the Tabulator is free to reveal any votes cast on
>any proposal without penalty. [This is to stop any abuse of power. If The
>Despot has voted
>YES on a proposal that would make eir power permanent then the Tabulator
>could reveal this fact and then everyone would be able to rebel. It
>shouldn't really be
>necessary but I know I wouldn't like, say, Hoover 2300 ruling the game!] 
>If, under a despotism, 75% of the members of the Warrior Caste have a
>rebelliousness characteristic of "on" then the government type will be
>changed to Anarchy as
>if a rebellion of all the players had succeeded. However, after the
>rebellion ends, the government type will be changed to Fundamentalism,
>unless another rebellion
>occurs before that time, in which case the normal government rules will
>resume. If this shift to fundamentalism occurs, the Warrior Caste will
>automatically become
>the Caste which is able to vote. One random member of the warrior caste
>will receive a bonus vote and the title "Leader of the Junta". 
>
>Amend Rule 320.4 (Fundamentalism) to read in full: 
>
>When Fundamentalism is the Proto-Government the OiCoRT should also select
>one Caste at random. While Fundamentalism remains The Current Government of
>Ackanomia only members of this Caste are eligible to vote on proposals.
>Additionally, no player may change Caste or Class voluntarily. 
>If 75% of the Worker Caste have a rebelliousness characteristic of "on"
>then the government type will be changed to Anarchy as if a rebellion of
>all the players had
>succeeded. However, after the rebellion ends, the government type will be
>changed back to Fundamentalism, unless another rebellion occurs before that
>time, in
>which case the normal government rules will resume. If this shift to
>fundamentalism occurs, the Worker Caste will automatically become the Caste
>which is able to
>vote. One random member of the Worker caste will receive a bonus vote and
>the title "Peoples' Commisar".
>
>Amend Rule 320.4 (Elected Assembly) to read in full: 
>
>When The Current Government of Ackanomia is Elected Assembly only the
>Senators, Speaker, and President are eligible to vote on proposals. The
>Senators,
>Speaker, and President shall each have eir vote count as one vote (If the
>same player is both speaker and president, e may vote once for each).
>In addition a proposal will pass if it meets quorum and receives a simple
>majority of votes. 
>If 75% of the Religious Caste have a rebellion characteristic of "on" then
>the government type will be changed to Anarchy as if a rebellion of all the
>players had
>succeeded. However, after the rebellion ends, the government type will be
>changed back to Fundamentalism, unless another rebellion occurs before that
>time, in
>which case the normal government rules will resume. If this shift to
>fundamentalism occurs, the Religious Caste will automatically become the
>Caste which is able to
>vote. One random member of the Religious caste will receive a bonus vote
>and the title "High Priest of Ackanomic". 

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:29:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Proposal 3657 rejected

Proposal 3657

Votes: 12/23 (7 YES votes): Quorum not met

Yes:
  risE                 (Klingon)
  A mean Hat           (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Slakko               (SPAM)
  K 2                  
  /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
  Rambo R Minuteman    (The Razor Boomerangs)
  JT                   (The Razor Boomerangs)

No:
  Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
  Studge               (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Wild Card            (SPAM)

Baa:
  Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
  Fortunato            

Abstain
  Leather Artifact     (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Aunt Froot           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Calvin N Hobbes      (HARF)
  404 Not Found        (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Robin Hood           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Vynd                 (Vulcan)
  saaremaa             (Vulcan)
  ThinMan              (Vulcan)
  IdiotBoy             (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  The Green Ripper     (The Razor Boomerangs)
  two-star             

Vacationing & did not vote:
  AJ                   
  breadbox             
  J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
  rufus                (SPAM)

>Subject: Acka: Proposal 3657
>
>Proposal 3657
>and Again
>K 2
>Due: Sat Oct 24 01:12:27 1998
>
>This is a Modest Proposal.
>
>Amend Rule 1044 (Swingpoints) by replacing the phrase "b. A Player may,
>as a public action, convert four of his own Swingpoints into one Bonus
>Vote." with "b. A Player may, as a public action, convert eight of his
>own Swingpoints into one Bonus Vote."

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:29:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Proposal 3640 rejected

Proposal 3640

Votes: 11/23 (4 YES votes): Quorum not met

Yes:
  risE                 (Klingon)
  A mean Hat           (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
  JT                   (The Razor Boomerangs)

No:
  Slakko               (SPAM)
  K 2                  
  Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
  Studge               (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Wild Card            (SPAM)

Baa:
  Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
  Rambo R Minuteman    (The Razor Boomerangs)

Abstain
  Leather Artifact     (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Aunt Froot           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Fortunato            
  Calvin N Hobbes      (HARF)
  404 Not Found        (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Robin Hood           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Vynd                 (Vulcan)
  saaremaa             (Vulcan)
  ThinMan              (Vulcan)
  IdiotBoy             (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  The Green Ripper     (The Razor Boomerangs)
  two-star             

Vacationing & did not vote:
  AJ                   
  breadbox             
  J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
  rufus                (SPAM)

>Subject: Acka: Proposal 3640
>
>Proposal 3640
>A Gem of a Rule
>saaremaa
>Due: Fri Oct 23 23:57:54 1998
>
>
>This is a Modest proposal.
>
>{{[rule 215 is prolly someone's favorite rule.  The problem is that 
>needs a good powerwash and new paint job to clean out some of
>the anachronisms.  Also, the scope of the game custom/spog clause
>needs to be broadened to interpreting the rules all the time
>as opposed to interpreting them in CFJs (this means game custom 
>will work when the rules are silent or inconsistent without a 
>CFJ being required; the popular unclear case is already handled
>by rule 101, and is thus redundant, but kept here for the history 
>fans.)  This problem is alluded to in my hmmm proposal, which is
>a silence of the rules case. (I also kept this clause in r215,
>because its traditional there). 
>
>Other changes are to remove the retroactively clause (which bounces
>with no effect), to remove the judgements are not rules clause (this
>has no effect, and was in the IRS for nomic newbies -- rules may only
>be created as described in the rules anyway), and to allow all verdicts,
>as opposed to just True ones, to become part of explicit game custom.
>(This is bug in the IRS too, I guess no one cared enough to fix it)
>
>Finally, I added the definition of "final verdict" to rule 217 (because
>I needed it in 215), and used that to eliminate all that fancy footwork
>about when bronze torch points count.]}}
>
>-------------------
>
>Change rule 215's title to, "Making Judgements", then replace its
>text with this:
>
>"
>All Judgements must be in accordance with all the rules in effect at the
>time judgement was invoked, and with respect to the game state at that
>time.  Whenever the rules are silent, inconsistent, or unclear on any
>matter, they shall be interpreted in accordance with any extant game 
>custom, and in the absence of a prevalence of such, the spirit of 
>the game.
>
>When a verdict is final, it becomes an explicit part of game custom.
>"
>
>-----------
>
>Add the following new paragraph to rule 217, "Overturning Judgements",
>directly after the third paragraph of section IV, Appeal limits:
>
>"
>A verdict is said to be final when it is no longer possible to appeal
>it under the current rules.  Once a verdict becomes final, any later
>attempt to appeal it fails.
>"
>
>------------
>
>Amend rule 600, "Winning Conditions", to replace:
>
>"
>When it ceases to be legal to appeal a particular Cycle-Win CFJ, 
>if the final verdict is true,
>"
>
>with this:
>
>"
>Upon a True verdict on a particular Cycle-Win CFJ becoming final,
>"
>
>-------------
>
>Replace the final paragraph of rule 907, "Bronze Torch", with this:
>
>"
>A player is eligible for a Bronze Torch if they, as either a Judge
>or as part of a Judicial body, have delivered verdicts on at least
>15 separate CFJs (including CFCJs), such that each verdict is the 
>same as the final verdict on each particular CFJ, and each final 
>verdict is either True or False.
>"
>

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Proposal 3654 rejected

Proposal 3654

Votes: 12/23 (8 YES votes): Quorum not met

Tammany Bribes:
/dev/joe A$27 no
JT A$25 no

Yes:
  Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
  A mean Hat           (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Fortunato            
  Slakko               (SPAM)
  K 2                  
  Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
  Studge               (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Wild Card            (SPAM)

No:
  Bonus Vote (JT)
  /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
  Rambo R Minuteman    (The Razor Boomerangs)
  JT                   (The Razor Boomerangs)

Baa:
  risE                 (Klingon)

Abstain
  Leather Artifact     (Giant Objectionable Potato)
  Aunt Froot           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Calvin N Hobbes      (HARF)
  404 Not Found        (The Razor Boomerangs)
  Robin Hood           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  Vynd                 (Vulcan)
  saaremaa             (Vulcan)
  ThinMan              (Vulcan)
  IdiotBoy             (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
  The Green Ripper     (The Razor Boomerangs)
  two-star             

Vacationing & did not vote:
  AJ                   
  breadbox             
  J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
  rufus                (SPAM)

>Subject: Acka: Proposal 3654
>
>Proposal 3654
>Testing the Waters.
>K 2
>Due: Sat Oct 24 01:12:20 1998
>
>This is a Modest Proposal.
>
>Amend Section III (Scoring on Proposals) of Rule 207 (Scoring When A
>Proposal's Voting Results are Reported) to read in full:
>"
>If a Modest proposal is accepted, the player who proposed it receives 4
>points. If a Grandiose proposal is accepted, the player who proposed it
>receives 16 points and every player who voted No on it receives 5
>points. If a proposal which is neither Modest nor Grandiose is accepted,
>the player who proposed it receives 10 points and every player who voted
>No on it receives 3 points..
>
>If a Modest proposal is rejected, but meets quorum, the player who
>proposed it loses 5 points. If a Grandiose proposal is rejected, but
>meets quorum, the player who proposed it loses 12 points and every
>player who voted Yes on it receives 5 points. If a proposal which is
>neither Modest nor Grandiose is rejected, but meets quorum, the player
>who proposed it loses 7 points and every player who voted Yes on it
>receives 3 points.
>
>A proposal can only be declared to be Modest or Grandiose as defined by
>the Rules.
>"

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