Subject: acka-voting-digest V3 #134
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acka-voting-digest      Thursday, August 20 1998      Volume 03 : Number 134

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:40:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3425 rejected

Results of Proposal 3425

16/25 votes: Quorum achieved
4/14 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
else...if            (SPAM)
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)

    NO:
breadbox
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Mr. Tambourine Man
K 2                  (AVPP)
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
rufus                (SPAM)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Piz

    BAA!:
Rig R. Mortis
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
two-star
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge
Memo

    VACATIONING:
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Wild Card            (SPAM)
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

    PENDING:
Memo

> Proposal 3425 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:02 EDT
> Honesty in Voting
> J. M. Bear (Frank Schmidt)
> 
> [This is creating a new possibility to vote. In some cases one might like a
> proposal, but wants to keep flaws in it which e sees out of the ruleset.
> RETHINK counts as NO for the terms of acceptance of the proposal, but keeps
> the penalty away from the proposer unless there were enough NO's.]
> 
> In rule 106, apply the following changes:
> 
> In the first paragraph, replace "YES, NO or BAA!" with "YES, NO, RETHINK or
> BAA!".
> 
> Replace the second paragraph with the HONEST-delimited text:
> 
> HONEST
> The required number of YES votes for a proposal to be accepted is
> three-fifths of the total number of YES, RETHINK and NO votes legally cast
> within the prescribed voting period. If that value is 0, however, the
> required number of YES votes for acceptance is 1.
> 
> The required number of NO votes for a proposal to be rejected is two-fifths
> of the total number of YES, RETHINK and NO votes legally cast within the
> prescribed voting period, plus 1.
> 
> If the proposal is neither accepted nor rejected, it is returned for
> reconsideration, and neither the rewards for acceptance nor the penalties
> for rejection are applied.
> HONEST
> 
> In Rule 207, append the NOREWARD-delimited text as a new paragraph at the
> end of section III. (Scoring on Proposals):
> 
> NOREWARD
> Any player who voted RETHINK on the proposal loses one point.
> NOREWARD
> [One point penalty instead of one point reward isn't much, but it should
> guarantee that players only vote RETHINK on flawed proposals they like, but
> think they are too flawed to include them into the ruleset right now.
> 
> If nobody uses the RETHINK vote, nothing changes.]
> 
> J. M. Bear loses 5 points. breadbox gains 5 points.
> [He's got the work, after all]

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:41:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3426 accepted

Results of Proposal 3426

16/25 votes: Quorum achieved
12/16 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Mr. Tambourine Man
K 2                  (AVPP)
else...if            (SPAM)
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
Slakko               (SPAM)
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Bonus Vote                              [Slakko used a Bonus Vote]
Tammany                                 [Alfvaen bribed Tammany A$26]
                                        [Slakko bribed Tammany A$28 (YES)]

    NO:
breadbox
rufus                (SPAM)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)
Piz

    BAA!:
Rig R. Mortis
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
two-star
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge
Memo

    VACATIONING:
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Wild Card            (SPAM)
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

    PENDING:
Memo

> Proposal 3426 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:03 EDT
> Bonehead Maneuver
> J. M. Bear (Frank Schmidt)
> 
> [This might be crazy enough to get through]
> 
> Create a Rule, numbered 1030, with the Title "Castes" (minus the quotation
> marks), and the MINBARI-delimited text:
> 
> MINBARI
> The Worker Caste, the Warrior Caste and the Religious Caste are Unique
> Organizations. There are no other Castes.
> 
> When a player ceases to be a Newbie, e becomes a member of one of these
> Castes by random determination. The chances to join a Caste are equal to
> the number of members in the other two castes divided by twice the number
> of members in all three Castes.[This adds up to one.]
> 
> No player may leave eir Caste. However, it is possible that two or three
> players agree to swap Caste membership, provided that the players swapping
> membership have all been in the Player State of Voting for at least 3
> weeks, and none of them swapped Caste membership within the last 3 weeks.
> 
> {{Each player which is in the State of Voting, Non-Voting, Inactive or On
> Ice and which is not a Newbie becomes a member of one of the Castes by
> random determination, each Caste having the same probability of 1/3 to be
> chosen.}}
> MINBARI
> 
> Create a Rule, numbered 1031, titled "Grey Council" (minus the quotation
> marks), and the VALEN-delimited text:
> 
> VALEN
> The Grey Council is an Office with up to nine seats. It is also a Unique
> Organization.
> 
> Each Caste (Worker, Warrior, Religious) has the right to fill 3 seats in
> the Grey Council.
> 
> The rules for nomination, election and impeachment apply with the
> restriction that only a member of a Caste may a) nominate emself for a seat
> that this Caste has the right to fill,
> b) vote in the election for seats that this Caste has the right to fill,
> 
> c) vote on the impeachment of a Grey Council member of this Caste.
> 
> When a member of the Grey Council swaps Caste membership with one or two
> other players, this member's seat immeadiately becomes vacant.
> VALEN
> 
> In the rule which had the number 250 on August 11, 1998, add in section
> VII. (Upon Becoming a Non-Player) as a point c): "c) E ceases to be a
> member of eir Caste."

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:42:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3427 rejected

Results of Proposal 3427

16/25 votes: Quorum achieved
6/16 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Rig R. Mortis
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
else...if            (SPAM)
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Piz

    NO:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
breadbox
K 2                  (AVPP)
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
rufus                (SPAM)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Tammany                                 [Slakko bribed Tammany A$28]

    BAA!:
Mr. Tambourine Man

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
two-star
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge
Memo

    VACATIONING:
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Wild Card            (SPAM)
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

    PENDING:
Memo

> Proposal 3427 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:04 EDT
> Don't do the crime if you can't do the time
> Publius (Brandon Ray)
> 
> Add the following BRIBE-delimited text to the end of Rule 315:
> 
> BRIBE
> Whenever a Tammany Bribe is offered, there is a probability equal to the
> amount of the bribe (in A$) divided by 5 that the player offering the bribe
> will be caught. (Thus, the probability of being caught will range from 5%
> to 20%.) At the conclusion of each vote, the Tabulator shall use the Random
> Method to determine which player(s), if any, have been caught. Any player
> who is caught is deemed guilty of Contempt, and shall be punished in accord
> with the rules governing Contempt. The provisions of this paragraph shall
> in no way nullify or affect the counting or reporting of votes cast by
> Tammany.
> BRIBE

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:43:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3428 rejected

Results of Proposal 3428

16/25 votes: Quorum achieved
6/16 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Rig R. Mortis
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
else...if            (SPAM)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Piz

    NO:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
breadbox
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Mr. Tambourine Man
K 2                  (AVPP)
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
rufus                (SPAM)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)

    BAA!:

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
two-star
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge
Memo

    VACATIONING:
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Wild Card            (SPAM)
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

    PENDING:
Memo

> Proposal 3428 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:05 EDT
> Harfy Birthday!
> Publius (Brandon Ray)
> 
> Change the following OLD-delimited text
> 
> OLD
> (a) maintaining a list of all registered players, their current Ackanomic
> names, their e-mail addresses, and their player states.
> 
> (b) maintaining a list of all current and previous players, all Ackanomic
> names held by them at any point, and their True Names.
> OLD
> 
> to read as the following NEW-delimited text:
> 
> NEW
> (a) maintaining a list of all registered players, their current Ackanomic
> names, their e-mail addresses, their player states, and their
> Acka-Birthdates.
> 
> (b) maintaining a list of all current and previous players, all Ackanomic
> names held by them at any point, their True Names, and their
> Acka-Birthdates.
> NEW
> 
> Add a new rule with the number 1170, and the title <<Harfy Birthday!>>, to
> consist of the following BIRTHDAY-delimited text:
> 
> BIRTHDAY
> 1. Every player of Acka shall have an Acka-Birthday, which shall be defined
> as the day that player first joined the game of Ackanomic.
> 
> 2. On each Active player’s Acka-Birthday, the Registrar shall post as a
> public action an announcement of the joyous occasion. During the 72 hours
> immediately following the announcement, each Active player shall present a
> gift to the player whose Acka-Birthday it is. The gift may be any tradeable
> entity which it is legal for the giver to give and the recipient to own.
> 
> 3. An Active player who fails to give a gift under the provisions of this
> Rule shall be pronounced by the Speaker in a public action to be a Churl.
> In the event that the Speaker has failed to give a gift, this duty shall
> devolve to the Clerk of the Court. The provisions of this paragraph shall
> be void if the required pronouncement is not made within 13 days of the
> original proclamation of the Acka-Birthday.
> 
> 4. A Churl must sign all messages regarding Ackanomic with the phrase <<I
> am a Churl.>> This requirement shall continue for the shorter of:
> 
> A. Ten calendar days from the moment e is declared to be a Churl.
> 
> B. Until e has given a gift to the player whose Acka-Birthday it was.
> 
> 5. No Acka-Birthday shall be announced or celebrated for, nor shall any
> gifts be given to, any player who is in Gaol, Inactive, or On Ice at 12:01
> a.m. on eir Acka-Birthday.
> 
> 6. A Returning Player shall retain the same Acka-Birthday ey had when last
> ey were Active.
> BIRTHDAY
> 
> {{The Registrar shall establish the Acka-Birthdates of all players,
> regardless of status, as of the date this Rule is accepted. In any case
> where this information is not available, the Registrar shall ask the player
> (if the player is Active) what the correct date is, and use the date given
> as the Acka-Birthdate. If the player does not know, or if the player is not
> Active, the Registrar shall use the Random Method to establish an
> Acka-Birthdate for that player. Once all Acka-Birthdates have been
> established, the Registrar shall post the complete list as a public
> action.}}

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:43:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3429 rejected

Results of Proposal 3429

16/25 votes: Quorum achieved
5/15 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Rig R. Mortis
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
breadbox
Mr. Tambourine Man
867-5309             (Boomerangs)

    NO:
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
else...if            (SPAM)
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
rufus                (SPAM)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
Slakko               (SPAM)
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Piz

    BAA!:
K 2                  (AVPP)

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
two-star
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge
Memo

    VACATIONING:
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Wild Card            (SPAM)
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

    PENDING:
Memo

> Proposal 3429 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:06 EDT
> The Scorekeeper STILL Doesn't Have Enough To Do??!?
> 867-5309 (Eric Plumb)
> 
> Delete the text "All players who voted on any proposal receive one point."
> from Rule 207.
> 
> [ Incentive to vote should be just that -- the motivation to either promote
> or resist changes to the game. Giving points to everyone who votes is not
> only superfluous but even damaging IMHO. ]

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:44:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3430 rejected

Results of Proposal 3430

16/25 votes: Quorum achieved
8/15 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
K 2                  (AVPP)
else...if            (SPAM)
rufus                (SPAM)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)
Slakko               (SPAM)
SPAM Unity Vote

    NO:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Mr. Tambourine Man
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Piz

    BAA!:
Rig R. Mortis
breadbox

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
two-star
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge
Memo

    VACATIONING:
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Wild Card            (SPAM)
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

    PENDING:
Memo

> Proposal 3430 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:07 EDT
> Pain and Suffrage
> 867-5309 (Eric Plumb)
> 
> [ Warning: Reinstates anti-voting (but not as you might think...) ]
> 
> If the text "All players who voted on any proposal receive one point."
> exists in Rule 207, delete it.
> 
> Renumber Rule 207.1, "That's just silly," to 207.2.
> 
> Create a new Rule numbered 207.1, entitled "Auntie Voting" with the
> following PERFIDIOUS-delimited text:
> 
> PERFIDIOUS
> Voting contrary to the outcome of a Proposal, that is, voting NO on a
> Proposal which is accepted or voting YES on a Proposal which meets quorum
> but fails, is called "anti-voting." The AAVPP (aka VPP) hegemony of
> Ackanomic has decreed that this is a Bad Thing (tm.)
> 
> Voting in concordance with the actual outcome of a Proposal (in other
> words, voting YES on a Proposal which passes or NO on a Proposal which
> meets quorum but is rejected), is called "anti-anti-voting" or
> "bandwagoning" for short. This is an Even Worse Thing. Don't ask why, you
> don't want to know. We could tell you, but we'd have to kill you.
> 
> To this end, each player who anti-anti-votes on a Modest Proposal shall
> lose 1 point, each player who anti-anti-votes on a Grandiose Proposal shall
> lose 5 points, and each player who anti-anti-votes on a Proposal which is
> neither Modest nor Grandiose shall lose 3 points.
> 
> {{[ Long live the Resistance! Harf! Harf! Harf! ]}}
> PERFIDIOUS
> 
> [ For those of you who may ask why, my reasons are very simple: I enjoy
> anti-voting. Part of it has to do with Vynd's theory of unaccountability,
> part with the unpredictability (and hence -- to me -- fun), and part with
> simple irritation at those who seem to think proposals are "supposed" to
> pass or fail. (Yeah, I know that last horse is six feet under and still
> being beaten mercilessly, but...)
> 
> As to the theory that "it would destroy our economy," I'm not sure I see
> how. The economy can always be revised. As is, I think we have far too many
> positive points -- hence the change. ]

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:44:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3437 rejected

Results of Proposal 3437

16/25 votes: Quorum achieved
8/14 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Rig R. Mortis
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
K 2                  (AVPP)
else...if            (SPAM)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Piz

    NO:
Mr. Tambourine Man
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
rufus                (SPAM)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)

    BAA!:
breadbox
Vynd                 (Vulcan)

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
two-star
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge
Memo

    VACATIONING:
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Wild Card            (SPAM)
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

    PENDING:
Memo

> Proposal 3437 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:14 EDT
> Say What You Mean
> Attila the Pun (Micah Smukler)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> 
> Amend Rule 550 ("Honor System Rule Suite") by replacing the text "a range
> of -1000000 to 1000000" with the following Q-delimited text:
> Q
> a range consisting of all integers [i.e. from "negative infinity" to
> "positive infinity"]"
> Q
> 
> {{The player of Ackanomic whose real name is Duncan Richer gains one point.
> The author of this proposal loses one point.}}

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:45:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3438 accepted

Results of Proposal 3438

16/25 votes: Quorum achieved
11/16 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
K 2                  (AVPP)
else...if            (SPAM)
rufus                (SPAM)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)
Slakko               (SPAM)
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Piz
SPAM Unity Vote

    NO:
breadbox
Mr. Tambourine Man
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
JT                   (Boomerangs)

    BAA!:
Rig R. Mortis

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
two-star
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge
Memo

    VACATIONING:
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Wild Card            (SPAM)
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

    PENDING:
Memo

> Proposal 3438 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:15 EDT
> Bard warning!
> Publius (Brandon Ray)
> 
> This is a modest proposal.
> 
> If Proposal 3392 was accepted prior to the acceptance of this proposal, add
> the following ORNOTTOBE-delimited text to the end of the rule it created:
> 
> ORNOTTOBE
> On April 19 of each year, the Speaker shall post the entire text of this
> Rule as a public action.
> ORNOTTOBE

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