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acka-voting-digest      Thursday, August 20 1998      Volume 03 : Number 133

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:59:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3412 accepted

Results of Proposal 3412

18/26 votes: Quorum achieved
11/15 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
else...if
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
rufus                (SPAM)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)
Piz

    NO:
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
Mr. Tambourine Man
K 2                  (AVPP)
Slakko               (SPAM)

    BAA!:
Rig R. Mortis
breadbox
two-star

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
Fortunato
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge

    VACATIONING:
Wild Card
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

> Proposal 3412 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:48 EDT
> Cycle=Duel?
> Attila the Pun (Micah Smukler)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal
> 
> Amend Rule 550.1 ("Honorable Acts") by replacing the text "1 honour :
> Winning a Cycle" with the text "2 honour : Winning a Cycle".

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:59:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3413 rejected

Results of Proposal 3413

18/26 votes: Quorum achieved
8/16 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Rig R. Mortis
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Mr. Tambourine Man
K 2                  (AVPP)
else...if
two-star
rufus                (SPAM)
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)

    NO:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
breadbox
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Piz

    BAA!:
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
Fortunato
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge

    VACATIONING:
Wild Card
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

> Proposal 3413 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:49 EDT
> Just Like It Too
> K 2 (Kelly Kelly)
> 
> This is a Modest Proposal.
> 
> {{[It should be permissible for both expensive and old trinkets to be
> Majik, IMIUHO]}}
> 
> Amend Rule 506.1 (Magik) to read in full:
> "
> An existing Trinket can be made into a Majik by the Archaeologist. A player
> who owns a Trinket worth more than A$99 or which has existed for at least
> six months can ask in a public message if that Trinket is special. If the
> Archaeologist replies publicly within 3 days "This Trinket is Majik", then
> the Trinket becomes a Majik. [It is considered good form to give the
> Archaeologist a 10% fee for this service.]
> 
> Majiks are no longer Trinkets but keep the value, name and description they
> had when Trinkets. Majiks are tradeable entities.
> "
> 
> {{[Current Text
> An existing Trinket can be made into a Majik by the Archaeologist. A player
> who owns a Trinket worth more than A$99 can ask in a public message if that
> Trinket is special. If the Archaeologist replies publicly within 3 days
> "This Trinket is Majik", then the Trinket becomes a Majik. [It is
> considered good form to give the Archaeologist a 10% fee for this service.]
> 
> Majiks are no longer Trinkets but keep the value, name and description they
> had when Trinkets. Majiks are tradeable entities.
> ]}}

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:59:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3414 rejected

Results of Proposal 3414

18/26 votes: Quorum achieved
10/18 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Rig R. Mortis
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Mr. Tambourine Man
K 2                  (AVPP)
else...if
two-star
JT                   (Boomerangs)
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)

    NO:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
breadbox
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
rufus                (SPAM)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Piz

    BAA!:

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
Fortunato
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge

    VACATIONING:
Wild Card
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

> Proposal 3414 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:50 EDT
> The Motherload
> K 2 (Kelly Kelly)
> 
> This is a Modest Proposal.
> 
> {{[Not _another_ hearing <graon> :) ]}}
> 
> Insert as a new Section after Section III of rule 1217 (Buried Treasure!)
> the following text (--- delimited):
> ---
> IV.
> 
> If a player believes that a particular treasure map, for a treasure which
> was discovered within the previous three days, is not in keeping with the
> spirit of treasure hunting e may call for a Hostile Takeover.
> 
> A Hostile Takeover is a Hearing for which the valid responses are: "Right
> up there with the Jukkasjarvi Treasure" and "the accumulation of money is a
> great evil and a burden to the soul" [Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad]. The
> player who called it is the Hearing Harfer for it and is called the Gold
> Digger while it is in session. For the purposes of this section those
> entities which were buried in the treasure and any entities created from
> them since the discovery of the treasure are referred to as The Motherload.
> 
> The map writer and recipient of the Treasure against which the Hostile
> Takeover was called are not permitted to vote in the Hostile Takeover.
> 
> In the event that the verdict of the Hostile Takeover is "Right up there
> with the Jukkasjarvi Treasure", the Gold Digger shall transfer The Standard
> Harfer Fee to the map writer.
> 
> In the event that the verdict is "the accumulation of money is a great evil
> and a burden to the soul" [Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad], then all
> entities in The Motherload, which are of types normally accepted by the
> Museum, are transferred to the North Wing of the Museum with the map writer
> as beneficiary. Any entities in the Motherload which were not transferred
> to the Museum's North wing by the previous sentence are transferred to the
> Treasury. Additionally the map writer shall pay The Standard Harfer Fee to
> the Gold Digger.
> ---

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:02:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3415 accepted

Results of Proposal 3415

18/26 votes: Quorum achieved
11/16 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Mr. Tambourine Man
K 2                  (AVPP)
else...if
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
rufus                (SPAM)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Slakko               (SPAM)

    NO:
breadbox
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
two-star
Piz

    BAA!:
Rig R. Mortis
867-5309             (Boomerangs)

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
Fortunato
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge

    VACATIONING:
Wild Card
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

> Proposal 3415 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:51 EDT
> Spell - Charm Person
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> [This proposal creates the basic structure of enthrallments. It sets up the
> definition of Thrall, the method of claiming Thrall through proposals, the
> Office of Thrallmaster, and the method of claiming a Win from Thrall. Other
> Thrall-related items are less central to the concept, and so better belong
> in separate proposals.]
> 
> Create a new Rule, numbered 750, titled "Thrall: Definition", with the
> following 1ST-delimited text:
> 
> 1ST
> Each Player has a Thrall Attribute. At all times a Player's thrall
> attribute is either the name of a Player or the null string (i.e. ""). If a
> Player (A) changes their name, then any players whose thrall attribute was
> the old name of Player (A), then their thrall attribute becomes the new
> name of Player (A).
> 
> When a new player joins the game, their Thrall Attribute is set to "".
> 
> When a Player (B) leaves the game, any Player whose Thrall Attribute is the
> name of Player (B) has their Thrall Attribute set to "".
> 
> If Player (C) has Thrall Attribute which is the name of Player (D), then
> Player (C) may be referred to as Player (D)'s Overlord.
> 
> {{All Players' Thrall Attributes are set to "".}}
> 1ST
> 
> Create a new Rule, numbered 440, titled "Thrallmaster", with the following
> 2ND-delimited text:
> 
> 2ND
> There is a Functional Office of Thrallmaster.
> 
> The Duties of the Thrallmaster are:
> (i) To maintain a list of player Thrall Attributes.
> (ii) To publicly announce whenever a Thrall Attribute has changed.
> 2ND
> 
> Create a new Rule, numbered 755, titled "Enthrallments", with the following
> 3RD-delimited text:
> 
> 3RD
> Players may indicate Potential Enthrallments by privately notifying the
> Thrallmaster. A Potential Enthrallment consists of a Player and a Proposal,
> provided that the author of the Proposal and of the Potential Enthrallment
> are the same, and the Proposal is in its voting period. Each Proposal may
> only appear in a single Potential Enthrallment; if a Proposal appears in
> multiple supposed Potential Enthrallments, only the first one which
> satisfies the above conditions shall be valid.
> 
> When a Proposal which is part of a Potential Enthrallment is accepted, the
> Player mentioned in the Potential Enthrallment has their Thrall Attribute
> set to the name of the author of that Proposal.
> 
> When a Proposal which is part of a Potential Enthrallment is rejected, the
> author of that Proposal has their Thrall Attribute set to the name of the
> Player mentioned in the Potential Enthrallment.
> 3RD
> 
> Create a new Rule, numbered 615, entitled "Win By World Domination", with
> the following 4TH-delimited text:
> 
> 4TH
> If a single Player (A) is Overlord of more than 60% of all Active Players,
> then Player (A) achieves a Winning Condition, provided that Player (A) did
> not win the previous Cycle by achieving a Winning Condition under the
> provisions of this rule. Player (A) also receives the title of Small Lab
> Mouse, if e does not already have it.
> 
> If anyone wins a Cycle by this method, then at the end of that Cycle all
> Thrall Attributes are set to "".
> 4TH
> 
> {{Slakko's Thrall Attribute is set to the name of the Player who has had
> the Ackanomic Name of "Publius".}}
> [That's for the groovy name suggestion - Thrallmaster]

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:02:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3416 rejected

Results of Proposal 3416

18/26 votes: Quorum achieved
6/15 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
else...if
two-star
rufus                (SPAM)
Slakko               (SPAM)

    NO:
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
breadbox
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Mr. Tambourine Man
K 2                  (AVPP)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)
Piz

    BAA!:
Rig R. Mortis
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
Fortunato
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge

    VACATIONING:
Wild Card
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

> Proposal 3416 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:52 EDT
> Multi-proposals
> Publius (Brandon Ray)
> 
> Create a new rule with the number 304 and the title “Multi-proposals”,
> consisting of the following BINARY-delimited text:
> 
> BINARY
> A player may submit multiple proposals (or Multi-proposals) with the
> intention that only one of them (at most) be adopted. Only proposals
> submitted as described in this Rule shall be considered as Multi-proposals.
> 
> A Multi-proposal shall consist of two or more independent and complete
> proposals, written and submitted as described in the Rules governing
> proposals. In addition to this, each of the proposals must abide by the
> following:
> 
> 1. All proposals in a Multi-proposal must be submitted by the same author.
> 
> 2. There may be no more than five individual proposals contained in any
> given Multi-proposal.
> 
> 3. All proposals in a Multi-proposal must address substantially the same
> subject matter. The Promoter may declare Invalid any part of a
> Multi-proposal, if e believes that this requirement has not been met. There
> shall be no penalty to the author if part of a Multi-proposal is declared
> Invalid under the terms of this paragraph.
> 
> 4. Each proposal in a Multi-proposal must begin with the following
> CAVEAT-delimited text:
> 
> CAVEAT
> This proposal is part of Multi-proposal NAME.
> CAVEAT
> 
> Where NAME is any legal name.
> 
> 5. No more than one hour may separate the submission of the first proposal
> of a Multi-proposal from the submission of the last proposal, and all
> proposals within a Multi-proposal must be submitted on the same calendar
> day.
> 
> Individual proposals contained in a Multi-proposal shall be processed by
> the Promoter in all respects as if they were regular proposals, except that
> the Promoter shall make a reasonable effort to place the individual
> proposals of a Multi-proposal next to each other on the voting queue, and
> to give them sequential Proposal numbers.
> 
> Individual proposals contained in a Multi-proposal shall be voted upon by
> the players in all respects as if they were regular proposals. In
> tabulating the vote, however, only that proposal with the greatest
> percentage of YES votes shall be accepted, and all other proposals from the
> same Multi-proposal shall be rejected, regardless of eir vote totals and
> quorum status. To be accepted,a proposal must also meet all other
> requirements prescribed by the Rules for acceptance of a regular proposal.
> In the event that two or more proposals within the same Multi-proposal
> shall receive the same percentage of YES votes, and both meet the
> requirements to be accepted, the proposal with the lowest Proposal number
> shall be accepted, and the other proposal(s) shall be rejected.
> 
> As long as one proposal within a Multi-proposal is accepted, the author
> shall receive the points to which e would be entitled if the accepted
> proposal had been presented and accepted as a regular proposal. If none of
> the proposals are accepted, the author shall lose one point for each Modest
> Proposal contained in the Multi-proposal; five points for each Grandiose
> proposal contained in the Multi-proposal; and three points for each
> immodest, non-grandiose proposal contained in the Multi-proposal.
> 
> Individual proposals within a Multi-proposal may be retracted by the author
> in the same manner as prescribed in the Rules for regular proposals.
> 
> Each individual proposal within a Multi-proposal may be Modest, Grandiose,
> or neither, without regard to the status of any other individual proposal
> within the same Multi-proposal.
> BINARY

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:03:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3418 rejected

Results of Proposal 3418

18/26 votes: Quorum achieved
8/16 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Rig R. Mortis
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Mr. Tambourine Man
K 2                  (AVPP)
else...if
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Slakko               (SPAM)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)

    NO:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
breadbox
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
two-star
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
rufus                (SPAM)
JT                   (Boomerangs)

    BAA!:
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
Piz

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
Fortunato
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge

    VACATIONING:
Wild Card
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

> Proposal 3418 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:54 EDT
> Tomfoolery
> 867-5309 (Eric Plumb)
> 
> While enjoying our compatibility,
> I am cognizant of its fragility,
> And I question the advisability
> Of relying on its durability.
> You're aware of my inflexibility
> And my quintessential volatility
> And the total inconceivability
> Of my showing genuine humility.
> 
> Though your undeniable nubility
> May excuse a certain puerility,
> Your alleged indispensability
> Underestimates my versatility,
> And your boyish irresponsibility
> And what now is charming juvenility
> Will in time lose their adorability
> And appear much more like juvenility.
> 
> {{ Add "Artist: Tom Lehrer" to the Literature List.
> 867-5309 loses 2 points; Attila the Pun gains 2 points. }}

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3419 accepted

Results of Proposal 3419

17/26 votes: Quorum achieved
11/17 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Rig R. Mortis
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Mr. Tambourine Man
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Slakko               (SPAM)
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)

    NO:
K 2                  (AVPP)
else...if
rufus                (SPAM)
breadbox
867-5309             (Boomerangs)
Piz

    BAA!:

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
two-star
Fortunato
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge

    VACATIONING:
Wild Card
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

> Proposal 3419 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:55 EDT
> Characteristic Tests
> JT (JT Traub)
> 
> Create a rule numbered 541 titled 'Characteristic Tests' with the following
> TESTY delimited text
> 
> TESTY
> Other rules may call for a test of a characteristic. A test of a
> characteristic is only valid if all objects to be tested contain the
> characteristic to be tested, and if the characteristic is defined as
> Testable.
> 
> When a rule calls for a Characteristic Test, the following proceedure is
> performed.
> 
> For each object to be tested, a Characteristic Roll is performed. A
> Characteristic Roll is defined as a random number generated such that it
> has the same distribution as that characteristic. [For instance to generate
> a characteristic roll for Strength one would use 3d6].
> 
> For each object the Characteristic Roll is compared subtracted from the
> Characteristic Value. The resulting number is the Test Value.
> 
> The object with the maximum Test Value is declared to have won the test.
> 
> [Example: JT has a STR of 12 and Alfvaen has a STR of 17. The
> Characteristic Roll for JT is 7 and the Characteristic Roll for Alfvaen is
> 14. The Test Value for JT is 5 (12-7) and the Test Value for Alfvaen is 3
> (17 - 3). Therefor JT would win this hypothetical test.]
> TESTY
> 
> Make the following amendments to rule 540.2 (Basic Player Characteristics).
> In the first paragraph replace 25 with 18. {{[This gives an even
> distribution of 3d6 whereas 3-25 was strange.]}}
> Append the following TESTABLE delimited text to the end of the first
> paragraph
> TESTABLE
> The Basic Player Characteristics are Testable.
> TESTABLE
> Append the following DM delimited text to the end of the rule
> DM
> It is the responsibility of the DM to track any characteristics of players
> that are not explicitly tracked by any other officer.
> DM
> {{[Basically this means these and Harf since Honour is tracked by the
> Herald.]}}

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:04:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3420 rejected

Results of Proposal 3420

18/26 votes: Quorum achieved
8/16 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Mr. Tambourine Man
K 2                  (AVPP)
else...if
JT                   (Boomerangs)
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)

    NO:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
breadbox
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
two-star
rufus                (SPAM)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Piz

    BAA!:
Rig R. Mortis
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
Fortunato
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge

    VACATIONING:
Wild Card
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

> Proposal 3420 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:56 EDT
> Three's A Crowd
> Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey)
> 
> I was young and foolish then, I feel old and foolish now.
> 
> This is a Grandiose proposal.
> 
> Create a new Rule, numbered 775, named "Vagueness", with text as
> follows(delimited by SEQ):
> 
> SEQ
> It is a crime to talk in a public dorum about publicly unknowable things.
> SEQ

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:05:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3421 accepted

Results of Proposal 3421

18/26 votes: Quorum achieved
12/16 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Rig R. Mortis
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
else...if
two-star
rufus                (SPAM)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Slakko               (SPAM)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)

    NO:
breadbox
Mr. Tambourine Man
K 2                  (AVPP)
Piz

    BAA!:
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
Fortunato
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge

    VACATIONING:
Wild Card
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

> Proposal 3421 - Wed 12 Aug 1998 05:57 EDT
> Duelling Banjos Would Be More Effective
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> This is a Modest Proposal.
> 
> Amend Rule 1250.13, "Single Capture Go", by replacing the text "minimum
> players: 2" with "minimum players: 3".
> 
> [This game is almost always a draw when played as a duel.]

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:49:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3452

Proposal 3452
Let\222s try this one again.
Publius (Brandon Ray)

{{1.  For purposes of this Rule only, the phrase <<the proposals>>
refers to all proposals in the game of Ackanomic for which the voting
period expired between the instant that the Muppetlabs hard drive
crashed, and 11:59 p.m., August 17, 1998.

2.  The proposals shall be processed by the Promoter as if they had been
submitted for the first time at the instant that this proposal is
accepted.

3.  At the moment that this proposal is accepted, the Scorekeeper shall
adjust the scores of all players to what those scores would have been if
the proposals had not been processed by the Tabulator and/or Count
Tabula.

4.  Any player may retract any or all of the proposals which e authored
without penalty.

5.  The author of this proposal shall receive no points if it is
accepted.

6.  This Rule takes precedence over all other Rules.}}

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:50:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3453

Proposal 3453
Eureka!
Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley)

Create a new rule as a member of the otzma card rulesuite titled "Otzma
Card of type Flash of Inspiration" reading as follows:

"Otzma Card of type Flash of Inspiration have an F designation of normal.
There may exist at most ten cards of this type in existence at any one time.

An Otzma Card of this type may be played in the public forum. In the same
mesage as playing an Otzma card of this type a player should post the name
and text of a discovery. Due to the flash of inspiration much less money
needs to be spent on research and development. The player need only pay
A$20 to create the discovery.

Counter action:
The player who played this card must pay the additional A$80 to the
treasury to cover the additional cost of the gadget."

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:51:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3454

Proposal 3454
Return to the stone age
Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley)

Repeal rule 593 (Ackanomic University)
Repeal the blueprints rulesuite, i.e., all rules numbered 594.x, including
rule 594.
Repeal rule 595 (Gadgets)
Repeal Rule 1013 (Secret Laboratories)
Repeal rule 1240.13 (Otzma Card of Type Fix My Gadget)
Repeal rule 1240.18 (Otzma Card of type Lay Off!)
Repeal rule 1240.51 (Otzma Card of Type ACME InstaGadget)
If there exists a rule titled "Otzma Card of type Flash of Inspiration"
then repeal it.

- ----

From rule 360 delete the following text:

", and if such attempting entity is a mechanical Gadget, it breaks"

- ----

From rule 710 delete the string  "gadgets, "

- ----

In rule 812 replace:

"gadget. If any member of the team owns no gadgets, e loses two random
trinkets. If e owns no gadgets and fewer than two trinkets e loses all the
trinkets e owns. For the purposes of this rule lost trinkets and gadgets
are considered to have been destroyed. "

with:

"trinket which is then destroyed."

- ----

In rule 850 replace:

"Gadget, Trinket, or Prosthetic Forehead"

with:

"Trinket or Prosthetic Forehead"

In the same rule deletet the text:

") Gadgets: The most recent price paid for that type of Gadget at an
auction such that the proceeds of that auction went to the Treasury. If
that value is undefined, its value is A$50. 

c"

- ----

From rule 910 delete the following text:

"Ancient artifact (1 page): A page describing the workings of a powerful
ancient device. The reader loses A$50, and receives a newly created random
Qualified Gadget, which, if it's a mechanical Gadget, breaks when the
reader receives it. This page has no effect on a player without sufficient
A$. "

- ----

From rule 1211 delete section 9) a) and 9) e) and relable the other setions
of the same rule such that each section of part 9 is labelled with a letter
on place later in the Roman alphabet than the previous one and the first
section of part 9 is labelled with an a.

- ----

From rule 1240.15 delete the string "Gadgets, ".

- ----

In rule 1240.20 replace:

"a Gadget or Otzma Card that is in eir possession. 

If a Gadget is named, then that Gadget is converted to another Qualified
Gadget of a randomly determined type. If the original Gadget is broken,
then if possible, the new Gadget is also broken. If it would be illegal for
that player to own the new Gadget for some reason, then the original gadget
is destroyed instead. 

If an Otzma Card is named, then that"

with:

"an Otzma Card that is in eir possession. 

That"

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:52:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3455

Proposal 3455
Like the Longines Symphonette
Robin Hood (Robert Shaw)

Create a new rule, numbered 231,  named 'Infinite improbabilities' 
with the following INFINITE delimited text

INFINITE
 
If any number has to be randomly selected from an infinite range, then
the person making the selection shall
 
 A/  Determine all possible  resulting changes in the game-state. All
 subsequent references in this rule to game state changes refer only to
changes
 that
 can result from the random choice. [So no-one is tempted to
 consider other changes]
 
 B/ Choose at random a game-state change  in such a way that
 i/ if the set of numbers which produce a particular game-state
 change is finite its chance of being chosen is zero
 ii/ all other game-state changes are equally likely.
 
 C/ Chose, in any way they see fit, a number which would produce
  the game-state change chosen in step B.
 
 The number chosen in step C is the number selected. 

 If this procedure can not be followed, the number will not be
chosen until it can be chosen in accordance with the rules.
No player shall suffer any penalty for obeying this clause.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:53:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3456

Proposal 3456
Fixing the wheel
JT (JT Traub)

This is a modest proposal.

Amend rule 1240.20 (Otzma Card of type Roulette Wheel) by replacing the
phrase 'Deterministic Method' with the phrase 'Probabalistic Method'.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:54:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3457

Proposal 3457
Some proposals just aren't designed to pass
Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley)

This is a modest proposal.

Append the following text to the end of rule 540.1 (Characteristic: Harf)
"Whenever a proposal is declared harfy its author gains 1 Harf."

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:55:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3458

Proposal 3458
Money makes the world go around
Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley)

Ammend rule 206 (Keep 'Em In The Game) to read in full:

If any player owns a number of A$ less than -50 then e shall automatically
receive from the treasury an ammount of A$ such that eir new A$ total will
be A$0. If a player owns exactly A$-50 then e shall receive A$100 from the
treasury.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:57:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3459

Proposal 3459
Every Jumbled Pile of Person has a Part That Wonders What the Part That Isn't Thinking Isn't Thinking Of
Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley)

Append the following to the end of rule 103 (Retroactive Effects):

"This rule takes precedence over all other rules except those which
explicitly claim precedence over this rule mentioning it by both name and
number [i.e. not just rules claiming universal precedence]."

Ammend rule 701 by replacing:

"This paragraph has precedence over rule 103."

with:

"This paragraph has precedence over rule 103 (Retroactive Effects)."

[Hopefully this will stop the risk that anything could take precedence over
rule 103 without anyone noticing.]

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:58:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3460

Proposal 3460
Aquamarine Rubber Bands
Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley)

This is a modest proposal.

Ammend rule 429 by replacing "Instead of" with "In addition to".

[So treasure harfer gets a normal salary as well as an automatic sculpture.]

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:59:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3461

Proposal 3461
Uncomon sense
Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley)

[This is my failed CSR now in new improved proposal form. And I'm not even
going to make it modest, so <raspberry>. In fact...]

This is a grandiose proposal.

In rule 1240.20 (Otzma Card of Type Roulette Wheel) replace "Deterministic
Method" with "Probabalistic Method"

[As JT pointed out the runemaker could pick a card at its instance limit to
just destroy the card]

- ----

In rule 1240.17 (Otzma Card of type Arctic Explorer) replace the text
"description[that is, an entity with the word "Ice Pick" in its name],
then" with the text "description (that is, an entity with the word "Ice
Pick" in its name), then".

- ----

Renumber rule 845 (Map of the City ) to 846
Renmuber rule 844 (Here There Be Dragons) to 845
Renumber rule 1390.4 (Maps) to 844

- ----

Ammend rule 721 by replacing "a player to lose currency during the first
three weeks of eir being a new player" with "a newbie to lose currency".

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 05:00:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3462

Proposal 3462
Dancing With Danger
Slakko (Duncan Richer)

[Aim of this proposal: to make the use of Tammany interesting.  Currently
Tammany only makes one vote per proposal, at most.  The main gist of this
proposal is to change that to one vote for each bribing player.  However,
all votes are cast for the winning side, which makes for an interesting
game. ]

Amend the first sentence of Rule 315, "Tammany", to read as delimited by
HAHA-below:

HAHA
Tammany is a unique entity capable of casting votes on proposals. 
HAHA

Replace the text "Tammany's vote and all Tammany Bribes" in Rule 315 with
"Tammany's votes and all Tammany Bribes".

Amend Rule 315 by replacing the following UHOH-delimited text:

UHOH
Tammany shall vote YES on a Proposal if and only if the total amount of
currency associated with Tammany Bribes that had a Desired Vote of
YES is greater than the total amount of currency associated with Tammany
Bribes that had a Desired Vote of NO plus twice the total amount of
currency associated with Bribes that had a Desired Vote of SILENT. 

Tammany shall vote NO on a Proposal if and only if the total amount of
currency associated with Tammany Bribes that had a Desired Vote of
NO is greater than the total amount of currency associated with Tammany
Bribes that had a Desired Vote of YES plus twice the total amount of
currency associated with Bribes that had a Desired Vote of SILENT. 
UHOH

with the following TROUBLE-delimited text:

TROUBLE
The number of votes Tammany casts on a proposal is equal to the number of
valid Tammany bribes received for that proposal which were not
disregarded.

The votes cast by Tammany shall be YES votes if and only if the total
amount of currency associated with Tammany Bribes that had a Desired Vote
of YES is greater than the total amount of currency associated with
Tammany Bribes that had a Desired Vote of NO plus twice the total amount
of currency associated with Bribes that had a Desired Vote of SILENT. 

The votes cast by Tammany shall be NO votes if and only if the total
amount of currency associated with Tammany Bribes that had a Desired Vote
of NO is greater than the total amount of currency associated with Tammany
Bribes that had a Desired Vote of YES plus twice the total amount of
currency associated with Bribes that had a Desired Vote of SILENT. 

However, if Tammany does not vote YES or NO according to the preceding two
paragraphs, then Tammany shall not cast any votes on that proposal.
TROUBLE

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:15:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Last proposals

Slakko has pointed out to me (correctly) that else...if's membership
in SPAM was not recorded properly in the last batch of proposals.
This adds an extra YES vote to the following proposals:

Proposal 3415 (12/17)
Proposal 3416 (7/16)
Proposal 3421 (13/17)

Fortunately none of these proposals flip-flop as a result.

I am going to add some more error-checking to my tabulation scripts
before posting today's proposals; hopefully such mistakes will become
less frequent.

breadbox

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:37:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3422 accepted

Results of Proposal 3422

16/25 votes: Quorum achieved
10/13 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Rig R. Mortis
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
Mr. Tambourine Man
else...if            (SPAM)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
Slakko               (SPAM)
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Piz

    NO:
K 2                  (AVPP)
rufus                (SPAM)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)

    BAA!:
breadbox
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
two-star
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge
Memo

    VACATIONING:
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Wild Card            (SPAM)
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

    PENDING:
Memo

> Proposal 3422 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 12:59 EDT
> Still another Eleusis Fix
> JT (JT Traub)
> 
> This is a modest proposal.
> {{[This fixes the problem with a player leaving the game and clarifies the
> card count after a successful no play.]}}
> 
> Amend rule 1250.23 (Eleusis) as follows: Amend section 5, part i, step 5 to
> read as delimited by NOPLAY
> NOPLAY
> 5) If the play of 'No Play' was deemed correct then the player will be
> privately dealt a new hand of cards with four fewer cards than in their
> previous hand. Since there was no correct play, the number of cards played
> in the round or during the current prophets tenure remains unchanged.
> NOPLAY
> 
> Amend section 8 by inserting the words 'or leaves the game' after the first
> occurance of 'When a player goes inactive' and between the words 'inactive'
> and 'without' in the phrase 'If a player goes inactive without appointing a
> substitute'.
> 
> {{Alfvaen gains 1 point, JT loses 1 point}}
> {{Game 2 of Eleusis (and game 1 if it exists) continue under the newly
> modified rules.}}

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:39:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3423 rejected

Results of Proposal 3423

16/25 votes: Quorum achieved
8/15 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Rig R. Mortis
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
else...if            (SPAM)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
Slakko               (SPAM)
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Piz

    NO:
breadbox
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Mr. Tambourine Man
K 2                  (AVPP)
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
rufus                (SPAM)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)

    BAA!:
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
two-star
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge
Memo

    VACATIONING:
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Wild Card            (SPAM)
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

    PENDING:
Memo

> Proposal 3423 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:00 EDT
> Basic needs
> J. M. Bear (Frank Schmidt)
> 
> [This shifts some basic definitions into the 100's, where new players can
> easily find them]
> 
> Renumber Rule 370 (No E-mail, No Game) to 111.
> Renumber Rule 380 (Time Zone) to 112.
> Renumber Rule 230 (Random Things) to 113.
> 
> [Is the following done automatically?]
> Also change the references to these rules, so that they now point to the
> new rule number instead of the old one for each of the three rules above.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:40:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3424 rejected

Results of Proposal 3424

16/25 votes: Quorum achieved
8/15 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Rig R. Mortis
Robin Hood           (AVPP)
else...if            (SPAM)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
Slakko               (SPAM)
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)
Piz

    NO:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
breadbox
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Mr. Tambourine Man
K 2                  (AVPP)
rufus                (SPAM)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)

    BAA!:
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
IdiotBoy             (AVPP)
two-star
Ethelred             (AVPP)
Publius
Studge
Memo

    VACATIONING:
Attila the Pun       (AVPP)
Wild Card            (SPAM)
Ayla
Horny Protoceratops
Zaknafein Dourden

    PENDING:
Memo

> Proposal 3424 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 13:01 EDT
> In the beginning, there were players
> J. M. Bear (Frank Schmidt)
> 
> [Another attempt to make the basic rules easier to get for new players, by
> including the player section in the 100's]
> 
> Renumber Rule 250 (Players and Player States) to 150.
> Renumber Rule 251 (Player Names) to 151.
> Renumber Rule 251.1 (True Names) to 151.1.
> Renumber Rule 252 (Joining the Game) to 152.
> Renumber Rule 253 (Mentors) to 153.
> Renumber Rule 254 (Leaving the Game) to 154.
> Renumber Rule 257 (No Dead Players Allowed) to 157.
> 
> Also change the references to these rules, so that they now point to the
> new rule number instead of the old one for each of the seven rules above.

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