Subject: acka-voting-digest V3 #91
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acka-voting-digest       Wednesday, June 3 1998       Volume 03 : Number 091

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:40:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Retraction

I hereby retract P3162 until I can make it a little more safe.

As the prop stands, any senator (while CnH isn't awake) or any player if
the senate were sleeping, could make scads of money by attempting
something like the following
[NOTE: These are *not* actions which I am doing, merely illustrations.
I purchase 50 kaas of land for A$1 each.
I sell those 50 kaas of land for A$40 each.
I repeat the above steps until I either bankrupt Acka or until I have lots
of cash.
]

I will attempt to fix this and resubmit, or forget about it if I cannot
find a good fix.

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:05:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Retraction

I retract Proposal 3181 (Preventative Quorum Medicine).

I accept that it does not absolve the Harfers from more work - although it
tries hard to, such a situation would be impossible.  However, I disagree
with breadbox's assessment that the current situation regarding quorum is
the best of the methods suggested.  By the time a quorum crisis occurs,
someone's proposal has already failed due to lack of interest.  That's a
game delay which could be avoided with preventative action, which I was
trying to implement.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:49:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3148 rejected

Results of Proposal 3148

17/24 votes: Quorum achieved
4/14 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
K 2                  (MetaMorph)
else...if            (Klingon)
Fortunato
Ayla

    NO:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
breadbox
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
rufus                (SPAM)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
Slakko               (SPAM)
867-5309             (Boomerangs)
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)

    PRESENT:

    BAA!:
Mr. Tambourine Man   (Klingon)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
Attila the Pun

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
IdiotBoy
Koxvolio             (Harf)
Joe Java             (Boomerangs)
Pandora              (MetaMorph)
Astro
The Mu-Cow Hunter

    VACATIONING:
saaremaa
Guy Fawkes

    PENDING:
two-star

> Proposal 3148 - Wed 27 May 1998 06:04 EDT
> Enough sheep already
> JT (JT Traub)
> 
> Append the following NOBAA delimited text to the end of rule 360
> NOBAA
> Voting in a hearing with a vote that is not defined by that hearing is the
> crime of Flagrant Disregard. When the results of a hearing are published,
> if the results contain a vote that is not a valid vote for the hearing and
> the Hearing Harfer publishes them, he has commited the crime of Publishing
> Misleading Data.
> NOBAA
> 
> {{[Sorry, I'm just sick of BAA votes on things other than proposals and the
> fact that people keep publishing them]}}

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:50:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3149 rejected

Results of Proposal 3149

17/24 votes: Quorum achieved
8/17 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
K 2                  (MetaMorph)
else...if            (Klingon)
Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
JT                   (Boomerangs)
Attila the Pun
867-5309             (Boomerangs)
Ayla

    NO:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
breadbox
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Mr. Tambourine Man   (Klingon)
rufus                (SPAM)
Fortunato
Slakko               (SPAM)
J. M. Bear           (MetaMorph)

    PRESENT:

    BAA!:

    ABSTAINED:
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
IdiotBoy
Koxvolio             (Harf)
Joe Java             (Boomerangs)
Pandora              (MetaMorph)
Astro
The Mu-Cow Hunter

    VACATIONING:
saaremaa
Guy Fawkes

    PENDING:
two-star

> Proposal 3149 - Wed 27 May 1998 06:05 EDT
> It's Snowing!
> Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey)
> 
> Bribe: A$1 to all players who vote YES on this Proposal.
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> 
> Create a Rule named "Nervous Norvus", numbered 799, with text as follows
> (delimited by CNH):
> 
> CNH
> It is the Crime of Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis to talk in
> a public dorum about publicly unknowable things.
> 
> This Rule repeals itself five minutes after it comes into existence. {{[ So
> it's not worth the trouble of adding to the Ruleset, is it? ]}}
> CNH
> 
> {{ Reduce Alfvaen's score by 4 points. Increase JT's score by 1 point. }}

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:50:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3186

Proposal 3186
Why Not Go All The Way?
Hubert (Eric Plumb)

Amend Rule 301 by replacing "Rules and Proposals are named, unownable
entities." with "Rules and Proposals are named, tradeable entities."

Amend Rule 101 by replacing the first instance of "game state" with "game
state (which is a tradeable entity)".

The submitter of this Proposal loses 2 points.  K 2 gains 2 points.

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:51:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3187

Proposal 3187
Zose Foolz et zee Zuccezzion Zkeme Feexeeng Dept.
Hubert (Eric Plumb)

[ Slakko's fix to the Mad Scientist rule fixed one problem but not
another: what if a MS is Impeached or leaves Office without creating a FM
or releasing the partially finished Blueprint?  E'd be immediately
reappointed by R596.  A minor problem, and one that hopefully won't come
up, but what the hey, I'm bored. ]

Amend Rule 596, "The Mad Scientist", by replacing ", then, the seat shall
be filled by Election for Office." with ", or if the last player to submit
a valid part for a Frankenstein Monster was also the most recent player to
hold the Office of Mad Scientist, then the seat shall be filled by
Election for Office."

[ Of course, this doesn't solve the problem where A, the last player to
submit a Part, steps down, B takes office but leaves before starting a
monster, and A is reappointed, but one problem at a time. ]

Deduct 2 points from the score of the submitter of this Proposal.  Add 2
points to Slakko's score.

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:52:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3188

Proposal 3188
Modesty and Pride and Prejudice
Hubert (Eric Plumb)

Amend the third paragraph of Rule 209, "Modesty and Pride", 

[ current text:
If a proposal appears to be designated as both Modest and Grandiose, or it
cannot be determined which designation should hold sway, the proposal is
declared invalid, and is removed from voting consideration. ]

to read in full as delimited by MORK:

MORK
If a proposal appears to be designated as both Modest and Grandiose, or it
cannot be determined which designation should hold sway, the proposal is
declared invalid, and is removed from voting consideration.  If a proposal
of more than 10 lines is designated as Modest, or if a proposal of fewer
than 30 lines is designated as Grandiose, that proposal is declared
invalid and is removed from voting consideration.
MORK

[ It's always kind of irked me to see large proposals designated Modest
simply to reduce anti-voting considerations.  Since Grandiose proposals
don't seem to come up so often, that isn't so much a problem, but for the
sake of symmetry we might as well. ]

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:53:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3189

Proposal 3189
Lint Reduction
K 2 (Kelly Kelly)

This is a Modest Proposal.

Amend Rule 250 (Registered Players) to replace:
Players are named, unownable entities.
with:
Players are named, tradeable entities.

Append to the end of Rule 250 (Registered Players) as a separate
paragraph:
While an entity may own a Player it shall not be considered to own the
Player's possessions.

{{All Players own themselves}}

Amend Rule 252 (Joining the Game) in the following two ways:
Append to the sentence:
Upon the posting of such an announcement, the person becomes registered
as a player.
the following:
and shall own emself.

Append to the sentence:
The Undead with that player's Ackanomic name changes from an Undead to a
player.
the following:
and shall own emself.

{{[Fluff Deleted]}}

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:54:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3190

Proposal 3190
Skeleton Fix
JT (JT Traub)

Amend rule 1240.16 as follows.
Replace the following BAD delimited text
BAD
1. Gain entrance to any location e would otherwise not be able to gain
entrance to, if and only if e has already declared eir intention to enter.
BAD
with the following FIXED delimited text
FIXED
1. Gain entrance to any location e would otherwise not be able to gain
entrance to, if and only if e has already declared eir intention to enter
and if and only if that location is in Acka.
FIXED

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:55:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: nomicbot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 3191

Proposal 3191
Retroactive Precedence
Mr. Tambourine Man (Tom Walmsley)

This is a modest proposal.

Append the following JUMP delimited text to the end of rule 103 (Retroactive
Effects).

JUMP
This rule takes precedence over all other rules.
JUMP

{{[This rule could quite easily be overcome by a rule claiming precedence
over all other rules, possibly even accidentally]}}

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 19:59:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Ignominiously Ended Jihad

I retract Proposal 3156, "Everybody's Doin' a Brand New Dance Now".

It's been done.

- - 867-5309

The biggest problem with cigarettes is that they don't cause cancer fast 
enough. 

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