Subject: acka-voting-digest V2 #260
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acka-voting-digest     Thursday, January 22 1998     Volume 02 : Number 260

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:11:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2597 accepted

Results of Proposal 2597

16/22 votes: Quorum achieved
9/14 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Rex Mundi
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
else...if            (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer   (SPAM)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Bill the pirate king (Boomerangs)
Goldenmean           (Boomerangs)

    NO:
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
Fortunato            (SPAM)
Malenkai             (Vulcan)
K 2
Balsamic Dragon      (SPAM)

    PRESENT:
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
breadbox

    ABSTAINED:
Slagothor            (Boomerangs)
Red Barn
two-star             (MetaMorph)
rufus                (SPAM)
Crackfoo             (Harf)
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
Archie Leach
Michael Wren

> Proposal 2597 - Thu 15 Jan 1998 08:33 EST
> Murphy's Law
> The Gingham Wearer (Tom Walmsley)
> 
> This is a modest proposal.
> 
> Modify rule 256 such that section three:
> 
> "
> If the player was never at any time Active or Non-Voting, all of his A$ are
> transferred to the Treasury, every entity remaining in his possession is
> destroyed, and then the player is deregistered. In this case, the procedure
> ends here.
> "
> 
> is changed to:
> 
> "
> If the player was never at any time Active, nor Non-Voting for a period of
> at least two weeks, all of his A$ are transferred to the Treasury, every
> entity remaining in his possession is destroyed, and then the player is
> deregistered. In this case, the procedure ends here.
> "
> 
> {{Everything owned by the undead "Murphy" is transferred to the treasury.
> Murphy is destroyed.}}
> 
> {{[I noticed that Murphy ought officially to be an undead since he was
> non-voting for a short time. This didn't really seem right; hence this]}}

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:14:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2598 accepted

Results of Proposal 2598

16/22 votes: Quorum achieved
14/16 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
Fortunato            (SPAM)
Rex Mundi
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
breadbox
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
else...if            (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer   (SPAM)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon      (SPAM)
Bill the pirate king (Boomerangs)
Goldenmean           (Boomerangs)

    NO:
Malenkai             (Vulcan)
K 2

    PRESENT:

    ABSTAINED:
Slagothor            (Boomerangs)
Red Barn
two-star             (MetaMorph)
rufus                (SPAM)
Crackfoo             (Harf)
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
Archie Leach
Michael Wren

> Proposal 2598 - Thu 15 Jan 1998 08:34 EST
> Close the Can of Worms
> breadbox (Brian Raiter)
> 
> This is a modest proposal.
> 
> Replace section VII of Rule 207 ("Scoring When A Proposal's Voting Results
> are Reported") with the following text:
> 
> VII. Null Proposals
> 
> If an accepted proposal does not become a new rule or generate at least one
> valid effect under Rule 104, then it is a "Null Proposal". No points are
> scored by any player via the preceding provisions of this rule from the
> acceptance of a Null Proposal.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:18:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2599 rejected

Results of Proposal 2599

16/22 votes: Quorum achieved
6/13 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Fortunato            (SPAM)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
else...if            (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer   (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon      (SPAM)
Goldenmean           (Boomerangs)

    NO:
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
Malenkai             (Vulcan)
breadbox
K 2
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Slakko               (SPAM)

    PRESENT:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
Bill the pirate king (Boomerangs)

    ABSTAINED:
Slagothor            (Boomerangs)
Red Barn
two-star             (MetaMorph)
rufus                (SPAM)
Crackfoo             (Harf)
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
Archie Leach
Michael Wren

> Proposal 2599 - Thu 15 Jan 1998 08:35 EST
> Take Off To The Great White North
> Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> 
> Amend Rule 594.17, "Blueprints: BWG Laser", as follows:
> 
> Remove the text "Synod, if such an entity exists, otherwise the trinket
> will be transfered to the".
> 
> {{[ This will leave the sentence reading "If the trinket is not the sort of
> fuel it takes, the BWG laser will transfer the trinket to the McCumber
> Annex of the Museum." Since the Synod _does_ no longer exist. ]}}
> 
> Remove the text "it will transfer that sum from a random organization which
> they are a member that has that sum. If no such organization exists
> either,".
> 
> {{[ This will leave a sentence reading "If, however, they do not have that
> much, the player is deemed Weird, with no further effects, unless they are
> the Harfmeister, in which case they are deemed Really Weird." As Slakko has
> demonstrated, if the BWG Laser's money-draining can be avoided by mere
> trinket creation, why penalize orgs? Especially innocent ones like Odo and
> SPAM. Hence, the following reparations: ]}}
> 
> {{
> Transfer A$158 [2*A$79] from the Treasury to the organization known as
> SPAM, or the Society for the Prevention of Ackanomic Misdemeanours, if such
> an organization exists.
> 
> Transfer A$632 [8*A$79] from the Treasury to the organization known as Odo
> on the Wormhole, whether it be a Cult or a Church.
> }}

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:25:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2600 rejected

Results of Proposal 2600

17/22 votes: Quorum achieved
7/19 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Malenkai             (Vulcan)
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
The Gingham Wearer   (SPAM)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Bonus Vote                              [Malenkai used a Bonus Vote]
Tammany                                 [Malenkai bribed Tammany A$27]
                                        [breadbox bribed Tammany A$25 (No)]

    NO:
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
Fortunato            (SPAM)
Rex Mundi
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
breadbox
K 2
Slagothor            (Boomerangs)
else...if            (SPAM)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Balsamic Dragon      (SPAM)
Bill the pirate king (Boomerangs)
Goldenmean           (Boomerangs)

    PRESENT:

    ABSTAINED:
Red Barn
two-star             (MetaMorph)
rufus                (SPAM)
Crackfoo             (Harf)
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
Archie Leach
Michael Wren

> Proposal 2600 - Thu 15 Jan 1998 08:36 EST
> Anti anti-votes
> The Gingham Wearer (Tom Walmsley)
> 
> Modify rule 207 by replacing this:
> 
> "
> If a Modest proposal is accepted, the player who proposed it receives 5
> points, and every player who voted NO on it receives 1 point. If a
> Grandiose proposal is accepted, the player who proposed it receives 16
> points, and every player who voted NO on it receives 5 points. If a
> proposal which is neither Modest nor Grandiose is accepted, the player who
> proposed it receives 10 points, and every player who voted NO on it
> receives 3 points.
> 
> If a Modest proposal is rejected, but meets quorum, the player who proposed
> it loses 5 points, and every player who voted YES on it receives 1 point.
> If a Grandiose proposal is rejected, but meets quorum, the player who
> proposed it loses 12 points, and every player who voted YES on it receives
> 5 points. If a proposal which is neither Modest nor Grandiose is rejected,
> but meets quorum, the player who proposed it loses 7 points, and every
> player who voted YES on it receives 3 points.
> 
> Voting NO on a proposal which is accepted, or voting YES on a proposal
> which is rejected, is called "anti-voting".
> "
> 
> with this:
> 
> "
> If a Modest proposal is accepted, the player who proposed it receives 5
> points. If a Grandiose proposal is accepted, the player who proposed it
> receives 16 points. If a proposal which is neither Modest nor Grandiose is
> accepted, the player who proposed it receives 10 points.
> 
> If a Modest proposal is rejected, but meets quorum, the player who proposed
> it loses 5 points. If a Grandiose proposal is rejected, but meets quorum,
> the player who proposed it loses 12 points. If a proposal which is neither
> Modest nor Grandiose is rejected, but meets quorum, the player who proposed
> it loses 7 points.
> "
> 
> In the same rule replace:
> 
> "
> For the first three weeks of being a new player (as opposed to a returning
> player) in Ackanomic, a player shall receive a bonus equivalent to the
> points which would be gained by anti-voting[one point for Modest proposals,
> five points for Grandiose proposals, three points otherwise] whenever one
> of their non-Modest proposals is accepted or any one of their proposals is
> rejected.
> "
> 
> with:
> 
> "
> For the first three weeks of being a new player (as opposed to a returning
> player) in Ackanomic, whenever one of their non-Modest proposals is
> accepted or any one of their proposals is rejected, a player shall receive
> the following points bonus:
> 
> One point for Modest proposals; Five points for Grandiose proposals; Three
> points otherwise.
> "
> 
> {{[I noticed that this was one of Malenkai's departing wishes (or maybe
> just wishes) and I tend to agree with him that anti-voting isn't all that
> great. I feel that people concentrating on their points as opposed to the
> actual proposals could result in several proposals passing that are flawed
> or not wanted or useful, wanted proposals being rejected. I'm not going to
> go so far as e suggested and remove points all together, however.]}}

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:32:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2601 rejected

Results of Proposal 2601

18/22 votes: Quorum achieved
10/18 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Red Barn
Fortunato            (SPAM)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
Slagothor            (Boomerangs)
else...if            (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer   (SPAM)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon      (SPAM)
Bill the pirate king (Boomerangs)
Goldenmean           (Boomerangs)

    NO:
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
Malenkai             (Vulcan)
breadbox
K 2
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)

    PRESENT:

    ABSTAINED:
two-star             (MetaMorph)
rufus                (SPAM)
Crackfoo             (Harf)
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
Archie Leach
Michael Wren

> Proposal 2601 - Thu 15 Jan 1998 08:36 EST
> Still illogical
> The Gingham Wearer (Tom Walmsley)
> 
> I was young and foolish then, I feel old and foolish now.
> 
> Modify rule 340 such that at the end is added, preceded by the lowest
> integer Roman numeral not already in use:
> 
> "
> For the purposes of rule numbering 2000 is less than 1.
> "

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:36:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2602 accepted

Results of Proposal 2602

14/22 votes: Quorum achieved
9/11 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Fortunato            (SPAM)
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
else...if            (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer   (SPAM)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon      (SPAM)
Bill the pirate king (Boomerangs)
Goldenmean           (Boomerangs)

    NO:
Malenkai             (Vulcan)
K 2

    PRESENT:
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
breadbox
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)

    ABSTAINED:
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
Red Barn
Slagothor            (Boomerangs)
two-star             (MetaMorph)
rufus                (SPAM)
Crackfoo             (Harf)
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
Archie Leach
Michael Wren

> Proposal 2602 - Thu 15 Jan 1998 09:33 EST
> The Long Eggplant Free Zone
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> This is a Modest Proposal.
> 
> Amend Rule 431 by inserting the following LONG-delimited text after the
> text "no such call has occurred during the current cycle.":
> 
> LONG
> The Illuminatus has the privilege of calling for Agenda Submissions
> whenever no such call has occurred in the past 90 days.
> LONG
> 
> {{[If a cycle lasts for 3 months, we could easily have 8 or 9 new players.
> More hats should be allowed in at this point.]}}

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