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acka-voting-digest     Thursday, January 15 1998     Volume 02 : Number 253

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:33:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2597

Proposal 2597
Murphy's Law
The Gingham Wearer (Tom Walmsley)

This is a modest proposal.

Modify rule 256 such that section three:

"
If the player was never at any time Active or Non-Voting, all of his A$ are
transferred to the Treasury, every entity remaining in his possession is
destroyed, and then the player is deregistered. In this case, the procedure
ends here.
"

is changed to:

"
If the player was never at any time Active, nor Non-Voting for a period of
at least two weeks, all of his A$ are transferred to the Treasury, every
entity remaining in his possession is destroyed, and then the player is
deregistered. In this case, the procedure ends here.
"

{{Everything owned by the undead "Murphy" is transferred to the treasury.
Murphy is destroyed.}}

{{[I noticed that Murphy ought officially to be an undead since he was
non-voting for a short time. This didn't really seem right; hence this]}}

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:34:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2598

Proposal 2598
Close the Can of Worms
breadbox (Brian Raiter)

This is a modest proposal.

Replace section VII of Rule 207 ("Scoring When A Proposal's Voting
Results are Reported") with the following text:

VII. Null Proposals

If an accepted proposal does not become a new rule or generate at
least one valid effect under Rule 104, then it is a "Null Proposal".
No points are scored by any player via the preceding provisions of
this rule from the acceptance of a Null Proposal.

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:35:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2599

Proposal 2599
Take Off To The Great White North
Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey)

This is a Modest proposal.

Amend Rule 594.17, "Blueprints: BWG Laser", as follows:

Remove the text "Synod, if such an entity exists, otherwise the trinket
will be transfered to the".

{{[ This will leave the sentence reading "If the trinket is not the sort
of fuel it takes, the BWG laser will transfer the trinket to the McCumber
Annex of the Museum."  Since the Synod _does_ no longer exist. ]}}

Remove the text "it will transfer that sum from a random organization
which they are a member that has that sum. If no such organization
exists either,".

{{[ This will leave a sentence reading "If, however, they do not have
that much, the player is deemed Weird, with no further effects, unless
they are the Harfmeister, in which case they are deemed Really Weird."
As Slakko has demonstrated, if the BWG Laser's money-draining can be
avoided by mere trinket creation, why penalize orgs?  Especially innocent
ones like Odo and SPAM.  Hence, the following reparations: ]}}

{{
Transfer A$158 [2*A$79] from the Treasury to the organization known
as SPAM, or the Society for the Prevention of Ackanomic Misdemeanours,
if such an organization exists.

Transfer A$632 [8*A$79] from the Treasury to the organization known
as Odo on the Wormhole, whether it be a Cult or a Church.
}}

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:36:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2600

Proposal 2600
Anti anti-votes
The Gingham Wearer (Tom Walmsley)

Modify rule 207 by replacing this:

"
If a Modest proposal is accepted, the player who proposed it receives 5
points, and every player who voted NO on it receives 1 point. If a
Grandiose proposal is accepted, the player who proposed it receives 16
points, and every player who voted NO on it receives 5 points. If a
proposal which is neither Modest nor Grandiose is accepted, the player who
proposed it receives 10 points, and every player who voted NO on it
receives 3 points. 

If a Modest proposal is rejected, but meets quorum, the player who proposed
it loses 5 points, and every player who voted YES on it receives 1 point.
If a Grandiose proposal is rejected, but meets quorum, the player who
proposed it loses 12 points, and every player who voted YES on it receives
5 points. If a proposal which is neither Modest nor Grandiose is rejected,
but meets quorum, the player who proposed it loses 7 points, and every
player who voted YES on it receives 3 points. 

Voting NO on a proposal which is accepted, or voting YES on a proposal
which is rejected, is called "anti-voting". 
"

with this:

"
If a Modest proposal is accepted, the player who proposed it receives 5
points. If a Grandiose proposal is accepted, the player who proposed it
receives 16 points. If a proposal which is neither Modest nor Grandiose is
accepted, the player who proposed it receives 10 points. 

If a Modest proposal is rejected, but meets quorum, the player who proposed
it loses 5 points. If a Grandiose proposal is rejected, but meets quorum,
the player who proposed it loses 12 points. If a proposal which is neither
Modest nor Grandiose is rejected, but meets quorum, the player who proposed
it loses 7 points. 
"

In the same rule replace:

"
For the first three weeks of being a new player (as opposed to a returning
player) in Ackanomic, a player shall receive a bonus equivalent to the
points which would be gained by anti-voting[one point for Modest proposals,
five points for Grandiose proposals, three points otherwise] whenever one
of their non-Modest proposals is accepted or any one of their proposals is
rejected. 
"

with:

"
For the first three weeks of being a new player (as opposed to a returning
player) in Ackanomic, whenever one of their non-Modest proposals is
accepted or any one of their proposals is rejected, a player shall receive
the following points bonus:

One point for Modest proposals;
Five points for Grandiose proposals;
Three points otherwise.
"

{{[I noticed that this was one of Malenkai's departing wishes (or maybe
just wishes) and I tend to agree with him that anti-voting isn't all that
great. I feel that people concentrating on their points as opposed to the
actual proposals could result in several proposals passing that are flawed
or not wanted or useful, wanted proposals being rejected. I'm not going to
go so far as e suggested and remove points all together, however.]}}

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:36:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2601

Proposal 2601
Still illogical
The Gingham Wearer (Tom Walmsley)

I was young and foolish then, I feel old and foolish now.

Modify rule 340 such that at the end is added, preceded by the lowest
integer Roman numeral not already in use:

"
For the purposes of rule numbering 2000 is less than 1.
"

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:33:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2602

Proposal 2602
The Long Eggplant Free Zone
Slakko (Duncan Richer)

This is a Modest Proposal.

Amend Rule 431 by inserting the following LONG-delimited text after the
text "no such call has occurred during the current cycle.":

LONG
The Illuminatus has the privilege of calling for Agenda Submissions
whenever no such call has occurred in the past 90 days.
LONG

{{[If a cycle lasts for 3 months, we could easily have 8 or 9 new players.
More hats should be allowed in at this point.]}}

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:43:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2596

Note that there seems to be no such proposal as 2596.

*sigh* It's so hard to find good help these days.

breadbox

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:53:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2584 accepted

Results of Proposal 2584

15/19 votes: Quorum achieved
9/14 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
The Gingham Wearer   (SPAM)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Fortunato            (SPAM)
rufus                (SPAM)
Goldenmean           (Boomerangs)
Bill the pirate king (Boomerangs)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)

    NO:
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
K 2
breadbox
Balsamic Dragon      (SPAM)
two-star             (MetaMorph)
[Malenkai            (Vulcan)]

    PRESENT:
else...if            (SPAM)

    ABSTAINED:
Rex Mundi
Red Barn
Crackfoo             (Harf)
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
norpan
Archie Leach
Michael Wren

    PENDING:
Slagothor            (Boomerangs)

> Proposal 2584 - Thu 08 Jan 1998 03:31 EST
> No bias, please
> The Gingham Wearer (Tom Walmsley)
> 
> This is a modest proposal.
> 
> Modify rule 705 by adding the following to the end:
> 
> "The Boy Wonder may not be randomly selected to judge a CFCJ submitted by
> the Caped Crusader. This rule takes precedence over rule 212"

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:57:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2585 accepted

Results of Proposal 2585

14/19 votes: Quorum achieved
10/14 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
The Gingham Wearer   (SPAM)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Fortunato            (SPAM)
else...if            (SPAM)
Goldenmean           (Boomerangs)
Bill the pirate king (Boomerangs)
Balsamic Dragon      (SPAM)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)

    NO:
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
K 2
breadbox
two-star             (MetaMorph)
[Malenkai            (Vulcan)]

    PRESENT:

    ABSTAINED:
rufus                (SPAM)
Rex Mundi
Red Barn
Crackfoo             (Harf)
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
norpan
Archie Leach
Michael Wren

    PENDING:
Slagothor            (Boomerangs)

> Proposal 2585 - Thu 08 Jan 1998 03:32 EST
> Rummage Sale
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> This is a Modest Proposal.
> {{[It clears up some archaic Otzma language, and allows them to be cleared
> out of the treasury. Also makes them gift instead of trade, after all, who
> would look a gift otzma in the mouth]}}
> 
> Replace the text "1. Otzma Cards are Protected" in Rule 1240.1 with the
> text "1. Otzma Cards are Nameless Gift Entities."
> 
> Replace section II part 3 of Rule 1240.1 with the following text:
> "3. A player may spend A$10 to acquire one Otzma Card of eir Choice from
> the cards in the Treasury, provided there is at least one Otzma Card in the
> Treasury."

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:02:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2586 accepted

Results of Proposal 2586

14/19 votes: Quorum achieved
11/13 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
The Gingham Wearer   (SPAM)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Fortunato            (SPAM)
else...if            (SPAM)
Goldenmean           (Boomerangs)
Bill the pirate king (Boomerangs)
breadbox
two-star             (MetaMorph)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
[Malenkai            (Vulcan)]
[Vulcan Unity Vote]

    NO:
K 2
Balsamic Dragon      (SPAM)

    PRESENT:
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)

    ABSTAINED:
rufus                (SPAM)
Rex Mundi
Red Barn
Crackfoo             (Harf)
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
norpan
Archie Leach
Michael Wren

    PENDING:
Slagothor            (Boomerangs)

> Proposal 2586 - Thu 08 Jan 1998 03:33 EST
> Why is it always my rules that need fixing?
> Vynd (John McCoy)
> 
> Amend Rule 910 by making the following numbered changes:
> 
> 1) Add the following text to the end of the 6th paragraph: The effects (if
> any) of reading a page of the Ackanomicon occur as soon as it is publicly
> knowable which page has been read.
> 
> 2) Replace the last sentence of the paragraph begining with "Arcane Lore"
> with: A new Otzma card is created in the possession of the reader. The type
> of card shall be determined by the Speaker using the Probabalistic Method.
> If the type selected is at or above its instance limit, the Speaker will
> select a new type using the Deterministic method. {{[I was going to have
> the Runemaker do it, but then I realized that is an optional political
> office and there may not always be one]}}
> 
> 3) Replace the paragraph begining with "Mutation" with the following:
> Mutation (2 pages): The contents of this page warps the reader's mind and
> body. He gains a new Extra head, surly and mean-spirited in temprament.
> {{[Telepathy and Telekinesis are gone]}}
> 
> 4) Replace the second sentence of the paragraph begining with "The Secret"
> with the following: The reader of this page may amend the rule Beldin's
> Pants as if he were Beldin's Tailor. He may only do so once, and he has
> only 72 hours after it becomes publicly knowable that he has read this page
> to do so.
> 
> 5) In the paragraph begining with "Doomsday" replace the second occurance
> of the word "the" with "They".

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:06:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2587 accepted

Results of Proposal 2587

14/19 votes: Quorum achieved
10/13 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
The Gingham Wearer   (SPAM)
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
Slakko               (SPAM)
Fortunato            (SPAM)
else...if            (SPAM)
Goldenmean           (Boomerangs)
Bill the pirate king (Boomerangs)
breadbox
Balsamic Dragon      (SPAM)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)
[Malenkai            (Vulcan)]

    NO:
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
K 2
two-star             (MetaMorph)

    PRESENT:
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)

    ABSTAINED:
rufus                (SPAM)
Rex Mundi
Red Barn
Crackfoo             (Harf)
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
norpan
Archie Leach
Michael Wren

    PENDING:
Slagothor            (Boomerangs)

> Proposal 2587 - Thu 08 Jan 1998 03:34 EST
> I Have Seen The Amber Light
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> This is a Modest Proposal.
> 
> Amend Rule 923, "Amber Banana", by replacing the following text:
> 
> "Upon eating the Amber Banana(which destroys it), said player may inform
> the owner of the Tree how e should vote on a single proposal, which must be
> in the current queue and whose digits must also sum to 21. (It may be the
> same proposal as allowed em to buy the Amber Banana in the first place, but
> it need not be.) This effect takes precedence over any other Rules which
> may specify how the Tree's owner shall vote on that proposal. A player may
> only eat one Amber Banana per week. "
> 
> with the following NO-PARADOX-delimited text:
> NO-PARADOX
> Upon eating the Amber Banana(which destroys it), said player may inform the
> owner of the Tree how e must vote on a single proposal, which must be in
> the current queue and whose digits must also sum to 21. (It may be the same
> proposal as allowed em to buy the Amber Banana in the first place, but it
> need not be.) This effect takes precedence over any other Rules which may
> specify how the Tree's owner shall vote on that proposal. If two or more
> players eat Amber Bananas in an attempt to affect the Tree's owner's vote
> on a single proposal, then only the first Banana eating has the desired
> effect, all other eatings being ineffective. A player may only eat one
> Amber Banana per week.
> NO-PARADOX
> 
> {{[I don't know what would happen if two people tried to eat an Amber
> Banana on a possible prop. Probably something very nasty involving an
> immovable object and an irresistible force :-) ]}}

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:10:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2588 accepted

Results of Proposal 2588

13/19 votes: Quorum achieved
9/12 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
The Gingham Wearer   (SPAM)
K 2
Fortunato            (SPAM)
else...if            (SPAM)
Goldenmean           (Boomerangs)
Balsamic Dragon      (SPAM)
ThinMan              (Vulcan)
two-star             (MetaMorph)
Vynd                 (Vulcan)

    NO:
Slakko               (SPAM)
Bill the pirate king (Boomerangs)
breadbox
[Malenkai            (Vulcan)]

    PRESENT:
Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)

    ABSTAINED:
Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
rufus                (SPAM)
Rex Mundi
Red Barn
Crackfoo             (Harf)
Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
norpan
Archie Leach
Michael Wren

    PENDING:
Slagothor            (Boomerangs)

> Proposal 2588 - Thu 08 Jan 1998 10:51 EST
> Rude Weasels
> Balsamic Dragon (Vivian Norwood)
> 
> Replace the first sentance of Rule 374 with the following NON-WEASEL text:
> 
> NON-WEASEL
> Any Player sending a public message should avoid deliberate rudeness and/or
> ad hominum attacks, where deliberate rudeness is characterized by not
> furthering game play or discussion and/or doing so in such a way as to
> unecessarily offend or alienate players from the game of Ackanomic.
> NON-WEASEL

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