Subject: acka-voting-digest V2 #233
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acka-voting-digest      Sunday, December 21 1997      Volume 02 : Number 233

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:22:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2497 accepted

Results of Proposal 2497

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
10/15 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
Slakko              (SPAM)
else...if           (SPAM)
two-star            (MetaMorph)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
K 2
mr cwm              (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
SPAM Unity Vote

    NO:
Malenkai            (Vulcan)
Vynd                (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
rufus

    PRESENT:
breadbox
ThinMan             (Vulcan)

    ABSTAINED:
Red Barn
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2497 - Sat 13 Dec 1997 16:40:59
> Alright Already! Ain't No Double Negatives Now
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> This is a Modest Proposal.
> In Rule 1230.2, section 1, create a new subsection, immediately after the
> end of subsection C, labelled D, as delimited by PUTSCH below:
> PUTSCH
> D. It is a Privilege of the Chess-Umpire to issue CSRs which only affect
> rules in the Party Chess Rule Suite.
> PUTSCH
> {{[This gives people a chance to complain if the Chess-Umpire does
> something sneaky, just as with any other Common Sense report.  It seems to
> be Common Sense that the Chess-Umpire should be able to fix bugs in the
> Party Chess Rules without having to submit a proposal every time.]}}

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:30:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2498 accepted

Results of Proposal 2498

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
15/17 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Malenkai            (Vulcan)
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
breadbox
Rex Mundi
Slakko              (SPAM)
else...if           (SPAM)
two-star            (MetaMorph)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
ThinMan             (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
K 2
mr cwm              (SPAM)
rufus
MetaMorph Unity Vote

    NO:
Vynd                (Vulcan)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)

    PRESENT:

    ABSTAINED:
Red Barn
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2498 - Sat 13 Dec 1997 16:51:00
> Otherwise I Might Give Someone Septuplets
> Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> 
> Append to Rule 253, "Mentors", the sentence "A player who is currently
> serving as mentor to a new player is not considered to be in the mentor
> pool while so serving."
> 
> {{[  I think that the Registrars do this anyway, but I'd rather make
> it explicit.  ]}}

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:34:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2499 accepted

Results of Proposal 2499

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
18/19 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Malenkai            (Vulcan)
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
breadbox
Vynd                (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
Slakko              (SPAM)
else...if           (SPAM)
two-star            (MetaMorph)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
ThinMan             (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
K 2
mr cwm              (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
Vulcan Unity Vote
MetaMorph Unity Vote
SPAM Unity Vote

    NO:
rufus

    PRESENT:

    ABSTAINED:
Red Barn
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2499 - Sat 13 Dec 1997 16:53:13
> Unified Duration Theorem
> Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey)
> 
> {{[ There are three different durations that need to be tracked
> for new players.  Frankly, it's a pain. ]}}
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> 
> In Rule 253, "Mentors", replace "two weeks" with "three weeks".
> {{[ Same duration as Rule 207's 'New player bonus' ]}}
> 
> Amend Rule 1129, "Crazy French-Scotsmen", by replacing "31 days"
> with "three weeks".

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:36:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2500 accepted

Results of Proposal 2500

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
16/16 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Malenkai            (Vulcan)
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
breadbox
Vynd                (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
Slakko              (SPAM)
else...if           (SPAM)
two-star            (MetaMorph)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
ThinMan             (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
K 2
rufus
Vulcan Unity Vote
MetaMorph Unity Vote

    NO:

    PRESENT:
mr cwm              (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)

    ABSTAINED:
Red Barn
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2500 - Sat 13 Dec 1997 16:55:23
> Under The Table
> Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> 
> Amend Rule 1250.18, "Ye Olde Rusty Lantern", as follows:
> 
> In the first paragraph under "Passing"(which begins "A Bard
> may pass explicitly."), replace "Tavern Owner" with "Barkeep".
> {{[ Probably doesn't matter, but let's have consistency ]}}
> 
> After that paragraph, insert the following paragraph(delimited by ZZZZZZ):
> 
> ZZZZZZ
> If a Bard is asleep(i.e. passes by default)for three of eir turns in
> a row(or more), then the Barkeep may announce, at the same time as
> announcing that e is aleep, that that Bard has gone Under The Table.
> At this point the Bard is removed from the game, and eir bench is
> considered empty.  If that Bard later wishes to rejoin the game, then
> e need not pay ante to do so.
> ZZZZZZ
> 
> {{[ This may speed up the YORL game a little bit, if players who do not
> wish to play may be removed... ]}}

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:43:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2501 rejected

Results of Proposal 2501

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
3/16 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Slakko              (SPAM)
K 2
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)

    NO:
Malenkai            (Vulcan)
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
breadbox
Vynd                (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
else...if           (SPAM)
two-star            (MetaMorph)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
ThinMan             (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
mr cwm              (SPAM)
rufus

    PRESENT:

    ABSTAINED:
Red Barn
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2501 - Sat 13 Dec 1997 16:57:32
> Tyrannical Ruling Elitists
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> Create a new Rule, numbered 750, entitled "Thought Police", with the
> following ORWELL-delimited text:
> 
> ORWELL
> A Thought Police CFJ is a CFJ on a statement of the form
> "The statement 'X' cannot be legally stated by the player Y, even though
> the player is allowed to post at least one public message, and the
> statement is both true and publicly knowable", where X is replaced by a
> statement, and Y is replaced by the name of an active player.
> 
> Upon a verdict of TRUE being issued on a Thought Police CFJ, all
> players with the title of "Tyrannical Ruler" will lose that title, and the
> player who submitted the CFJ  and the player listed as Y shall be given
> the title of "Tyrannical Ruler".
> 
> Upon a verdict of FALSE being issued on a Thought Police CFJ, the player
> who submitted the CFJ and the player whose name is the same as the name
> replacing Y in the statement judged shall receive a Gaol sentence of 2
> days, as they are incarcerated by the Thought Police.  This Gaol sentence
> will be carried out at the instant that the CFJ ceases to be appealable.
> If the players listed in this paragraph hold the title "Tyrannical Ruler"
> when they are put in Gaol, they lose that title.
> 
> The Thought Police are an unownable entity with the right to cast zero,
> one or two votes on each and every proposal.
> 
> An insant before proxy votes are determined on a proposal, or an instant
> before a proposal's voting period ends if no players have Proxies, the
> Thought Police will cast one vote of the same type as that cast by a
> player who holds the title of "Tyrannical Ruler".  They shall do this for
> each player who holds the titled of "Tyrannical Ruler".
> 
> For example, suppose Timmy and Tommy are the only players who hold the
> title of "Tyrannical Ruler".  If Timmy votes YES on a proposal, and Tommy
> votes PRESENT on that same proposal, and both do so at least two instants
> prior to the end of the voting period on that proposal, then The Thought
> Police will case one YES vote and one PRESENT vote on that proposal.
> ORWELL
> 
> {{[I just like the idea that players who can't speak out suddenly get put
> in a position of slightly greater power.  It sounds like a great
> evener.]}}

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:03:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2502 accepted

Results of Proposal 2502

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
9/13 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
Vynd                (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
Slakko              (SPAM)
two-star            (MetaMorph)
ThinMan             (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
MetaMorph Unity Vote

    NO:
else...if           (SPAM)
K 2
mr cwm              (SPAM)
rufus

    PRESENT:
Malenkai            (Vulcan)
breadbox
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)

    ABSTAINED:
Red Barn
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2502 - Sat 13 Dec 1997 17:00:28
> This Ain't Backgammon
> Uri Bruck (Niccolo Flychuck)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> Append to section 6 of R1230.2 "Swingers like to play around - let's play"
> the following text:
> 
> "It is impermissible for a Swinger to Move the same piece more than once
> during a single turn.
> "

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:11:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2503 accepted

Results of Proposal 2503

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
11/13 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
Vynd                (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
Slakko              (SPAM)
else...if           (SPAM)
two-star            (MetaMorph)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
mr cwm              (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
MetaMorph Unity Vote

    NO:
K 2
rufus

    PRESENT:
Malenkai            (Vulcan)
breadbox
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
ThinMan             (Vulcan)

    ABSTAINED:
Red Barn
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2503 - Sat 13 Dec 1997 17:02:36
> Lest Royalty Abandon Us
> Uri Bruck (Niccolo Flychuck)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> Amend section e of R1230.23 "Winning a Hand" by replacing the string
> " pieces will be chosen at random"
> "pieces, none of which is a King, will be chosen at random"

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:15:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2506 accepted

Results of Proposal 2506

15/20 votes: Quorum achieved
13/16 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Malenkai            (Vulcan)
breadbox
Vynd                (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
Slakko              (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
ThinMan             (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
mr cwm              (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
rufus
Vulcan Unity Vote

    NO:
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
else...if           (SPAM)
K 2

    PRESENT:

    ABSTAINED:
two-star            (MetaMorph)
Red Barn
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2506 - Sat 13 Dec 18:03:16
> Fixing Labs
> /dev/joe (Joseph DeVincentis)
> 
> Amend Rule 1013, "Secret Laboratories", to read in full:
> 
> A Secret Laboratory is an Organizational Power. An Organization
> may buy a Secret Laboratory for A$ 1000. 
> 
> An Organization may, as an action, use any Secret Laboratory it owns
> to build a Gadget from any existing Qualified Blueprint. This new
> Gadget is created in the Organization's possession three days after
> this action is announced.  Each Secret Laboratory may be used to
> build a gadget at most once each calendar month.
> 
> [Secret Laboratories are said to be buried deep underground.] 

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:23:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2507 rejected

Results of Proposal 2507

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
7/14 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
Vynd                (Vulcan)
else...if           (SPAM)
ThinMan             (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)

    NO:
breadbox
Rex Mundi
Slakko              (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
K 2
mr cwm              (SPAM)
rufus

    PRESENT:
Malenkai            (Vulcan)
two-star            (MetaMorph)

    ABSTAINED:
Red Barn
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2507 - Sat 13 Dec 1997 18:05:28
> New Ackan Logic
> /dev/joe (Joseph DeVincentis)
> 
> Amend Rule 340, "Conventions", by adding the following section to the
> end of the rule:
> 
> "
> VIII. There are three truth values a statement can have: true, false,
> and mu.  Any statement which, due to its self-referential nature or
> otherwise, cannot be either true or false, is mu, even if its being mu
> would make it appear otherwise.  The terms "not true" and "untrue" are
> equivalent to "false or mu"; the terms "not false" and "unfalse" are
> equivalent to "true or mu".
> "
> 
> Amend Rule 211, "Invoking Judgement", by inserting the following sentence
> immediately after the first sentence of the third paragraph:
> 
> "CFJ's with mu statements shall be judged Invalid."

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:26:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2508 rejected

Results of Proposal 2508

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
4/16 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
else...if           (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
rufus

    NO:
Malenkai            (Vulcan)
breadbox
Vynd                (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
Slakko              (SPAM)
two-star            (MetaMorph)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
ThinMan             (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
K 2
mr cwm              (SPAM)

    PRESENT:

    ABSTAINED:
Red Barn
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2508 - Sat 13 Dec 1997 18:08:06
> Should cut down on scams
> The Gingham Wearer (Tom Walmsley)
> 
> Modify rule 101 such that the paragraph reading:
> 
> "
> The rules and the game state may only be changed as described in the
> rules. Actions described in the rules may only be performed, and shall
> only have those effects, as specified by the rules. Whatever is not
> explicitly prohibited or regulated by the rules, however, is permitted
> and unregulated. Game custom, spirit of the game, and linguistic
> interpretation are external concepts and are not regulated or part of
> the game state.
> "
> 
> is changed to
> 
> "
> The rules and the game state may only be changed as described in the
> rules. Actions described in the rules may only be performed, and shall
> only have those effects, as specified by the rules. Whatever is not
> explicitly prohibited or regulated by the rules, however, is permitted
> and unregulated. If one or more methods of changing a specific element
> of the rules or game state is specified in the rules then all other
> methods of accomplishing the same change are forbidden. Game custom,
> spirit of the game, and linguistic interpretation are external concepts
> and are not regulated or part of the game state.
> "

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:30:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2509 rejected

Results of Proposal 2509

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
4/15 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Slakko              (SPAM)
else...if           (SPAM)
two-star            (MetaMorph)
K 2

    NO:
Malenkai            (Vulcan)
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
breadbox
Vynd                (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
ThinMan             (Vulcan)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
mr cwm              (SPAM)
rufus

    PRESENT:
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)

    ABSTAINED:
Red Barn
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2509 - Sat 13 Dec 1997 18:10:18
> Multicolour Cross
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> Create a new Rule, numbered 906, entitled "Double Cross", and with the
> following MORE-delimited text:
> 
> MORE
> 1. Each player has a Black Cross Rank and a Crystal Cross Rank.
> At all times, a player's Black Cross Rank is equal to the number of CFCJs
> they have submitted whose last verdict was TRUE.
> At all times, a player's Crystal Cross Rank is equal to the number of
> CSRs they have issued which have been performed.  CFCJs and CSRs made
> under a player's previous registrations count for the purposes of
> determine the above Ranks.
> 2. Black Crosses, Crystal Crosses, Onyx Stripes and Perspex Stripes are
> nameless, nontradeable, entities, and are also Medals.
> 3. A player with a Black Cross Rank of at least 20 qualifies for a Black
> Cross.  A player with a Crystal Cross Rank of at least 20 qualifies for a
> Crystal Cross.
> 4. For each 10 points of Black Cross Rank above that required for a Black
> Cross, a player qualifies for an Onyx Stripe.  For each 10 points of
> Crystal Cross Rank above that required for a Crystal Cross, a player
> qualifies for a Perspex Stripe.
> 5. Any time a player has too few of these medals, the President,
> Proconsul, or Senator may award medals of the appropriate types to that
> player until he has enough of each type. The Frobozz Magic Medal Company,
> Ackanomic Division, performs the creation of these medals as medals are to
> be awarded.
> 6. Any player who possesses a Black Cross or a Crystal Cross, but not
> both, shall have the title of "Order of the Lesser Crosses".  Any player
> who possesses a Black Cross and a Crystal Cross shall have the title of
> "Knight Commander of the Order of the Lesser Crosses".  The two titles in
> this paragraph may be abbreviated to OLC and KCLC respectively.
> MORE
> 
> Insert the following ABBA-delimited text into Rule 906 immediately after
> the text "Commander of the Blue Cross".:
> ABBA
> The two titles in this paragraph may be abbreviated to OBC and CBC
> respectively.
> ABBA
> 
> {{[Current tallies of players' Crystal Cross Rank:
> mr cwm 7
> Vynd 5
> Mr Lunatic Fringe 2
> Malenkai 2
> All other players 0
> ]}}
> 
> 
> {{[Current tallies for players' (past and present) Black Cross Rank:
> Malenkai 4
> Mr. Lunatic Fringe 3
> /dev/joe 2
> ThinMan 2
> Mohammed 2
> Strider 2
> Alfvaen 2
> The Governor 1
> this is not a name 1
> fnord 1
> Red Barn 1
> Attila the Pun 1
> Robert Sevin 1
> Guy Fawkes 1
> Slakko 1
> All other players 0
> ]}}

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 01:45:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2538

Proposal 2538
I Want Some Accountability Here
breadbox (Brian Raiter)

This is a Modest Proposal.

{{[It's not that Witchhunts aren't a harfy idea. The problem is that
players can initiate one without any fear of negative consequences.
That's not right. If you call a pious player a witch, there should be
some accountability. A Witchhunt is supposed to be "a Very Grave
Matter", so let's start treating it like one.]}}

Replace the fourth paragraph of Rule 1307 ("Ackanomic Middle Ages")

{{[
If the verdict is 'BURN THE WITCH!' the alleged witch shall be branded a
witch and heretic. E shall then be incinerated atop a bonfire large enough
that it not only reduces the witch to eir component atoms but also inspires
righteous terror in all who see it. When a witch is burned, e shall enter
the Ackanomic Afterlife, and shall lose 10 points. Any player who has ever
been burned as a heretic is considered Enlightened. An Enlightened player
may never have a Witchhunt called against them, or be burned as a heretic.
]}}

with the following three paragraphs:

    If the verdict is 'BURN THE WITCH!', the alleged witch shall be
    incinerated as a heretic, atop a huge bonfire that not only
    reduces em to eir component atoms, but also inspires righteous
    terror in all who see it. The witch shall then enter the Ackanomic
    Afterlife, and shall lose 10 points. That player is then said to
    be Enlightened.

    If, on the other hand, the verdict is 'No! E said the earth is
    flat', then the player who started the Witchhunt loses 5 points.
    Furthermore, if that player is also Enlightened, said title is
    immediately stripped from them, and they will no longer be
    said to be Enlightened.

    An player who is said to be Enlightened may never have a Witchhunt
    called against them, or be burned as a heretic.

{{[5 points is only half of what the unjustly persecuted player would
have otherwise lost: I think this is fair. As for the latter: well,
obviously if you can't tell who's a witch you can't be too
Enlightened. Besides, an Enlightened player's got a lot of nerve to be
calling a Witchhunt down on others in the first place!]}}

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