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acka-voting-digest    Wednesday, December 17 1997    Volume 02 : Number 230

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:04:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2534

Proposal 2534
Accepting and Declining
Malenkai (Randy Hall)

This is a Modest proposal

{{[this will make the sort of ambiguity that
surrounds CFJ 484 go away, hopefully]}}

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Amend rule 212, "Selecting a Judge", to replace:

"
accept or refuse the appointment by posting to the applicable officer.
"

with:

"
accept or decline the appointment by posting to the applicable officer;
once made, this decision may not be changed.
"

- ---------------------------------

Amend rule 213, "Delivering Judgement", to replace

"post an official Judgment" with "post eir Judgment to the applicable
officer"

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:33:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2535

Proposal 2535
Clearing Up the Clutter Again
Slakko (Duncan Richer)

{{[Some treasures will never be found in Acka given that players have
left.  While it is unreasonable to suddenly "find" a long-lost treasure
without due cause, an archaeological expedition or excavation could well
stumble across such long lost Treasure.]}}

Append the following DIG-delimited text to Rule 1217:

DIG
If there currently exist Treasures which have not yet been "found", which
were buried more than 90 days ago, and for which no map custodian or
map writer is a current player, then the Archaeologist has the prerogative
of organizing an Expedition.  They announce an Expedition as a public
action.  Any treasure which meets the three Treasure criteria defined in
the first sentence is known as a Historical Artefact.

The Archaeologist is automatically a member of an expedition.  Any active
player or non-voting player may become a member of an expedition by
stating so as a public action, and paying A$40 to the Treasury.

An Expedition happens 3 days after it is announced, with the proviso that 
if there are fewer than 3 players in the Expedition, it shall not happen
and all monies paid to gain membership in the Expedition shall be
refunded. At the time of the Expedition, if there are at least as many
Historical Artefacts as members of the Expedition, then the Archaeologist
will randomly determine one Historical Artefact to be assigned to each
member of the expedition, including emself.  Each Treasure assigned in
this way is "found" by the player it is assigned to.

If, on the other hand, at the time of the Expedition there are more
Expedition members than Historical Artefacts, then the Archaeologist shall
randomly determine one expedition member to be assigned to each Historical
Artefact. Each player assigned shall find the Treasure they are assigned
to.

Only one Expedition may be announced in any calendar month.
DIG

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:36:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2536

Proposal 2536
No time travel
Vynd (John McCoy)

Amend Rule 373 by adding the following text as a new paragraph between
the existing first and second paragraphs:

One can only act in the present.  Attempts to declare actions that occur
in the future or past, while not illegal, automatically fail unless they
are explicitly permited by the Rules.  Note that it is permissible to
attempt actions which effect the past and/or future [it is hard to think
of any that don't], so long as the actions themselves take place in the
present.  If it is unclear whether or not an action was attempted in the
present or if the attempt was to act in the past or future, the action
will be treated as having been attempted in the present.

{{[I debated making this a seperate Rule, but decided to include it in
Rule 373 Public Actions.  Rule 373 cedes precedence to all other rules
already, so if it is the case that there are rules which explicitly allow
people to act in times other than the present, they will not be overriden.
I can't think of any such Rules, mind you, but I don't want to
accidentally make it illegal for us to vote or something.]}}

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:05:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2478 accepted

Results of Proposal 2478

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
8/9 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
else...if           (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
Slakko              (SPAM)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
rufus

    NO:
K 2

    PRESENT:
Malenkai
mr cwm              (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
breadbox
Vynd                (Vulcan)
two-star            (MetaMorph)
ThinMan             (Vulcan)

    ABSTAINED:
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Red Barn
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2478 - Wed 10 Dec 1997 14:47:58
> Pseudo Echo
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> This is a Modest Proposal.
> {{All lower-case instances of the word "play" in Rule 1230.10 are
> replaced by the noun phrase "Atomic Play".}}

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:10:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2479 accepted

Results of Proposal 2479

17/20 votes: Quorum achieved
10/16 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
else...if           (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
Slakko              (SPAM)
Red Barn
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
breadbox
Vynd                (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
two-star            (MetaMorph)
K 2

    NO:
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
mr cwm              (SPAM)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
rufus
ThinMan             (Vulcan)

    PRESENT:
Malenkai

    ABSTAINED:
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2479 - Wed 10 Dec 1997 14:48:22
> The Ackanomian River
> else...if (Henry Towsner)
> 
> The text delimited by FLOWING will be added to rule 835 after section 6.
> Renumber all following sections to the next consecutive integer.
> 
> FLOWING
> 7) Let the common location known as the Ackanomian River, referred to as
> the river, exist deep in the wilds.  No player may enter the river, as it
> is a rapidly moving stream with many rocks.  No player may cross the river
> or otherwise move from one side to the other except as specified in the
> rules. Players with flying may cross the river.  [It is possible that with
> the proper equipment, one could white-water raft down the Ackanomian River]
> 
> 7a) On the other side of the river is as yet unexplored land.  This land is
> currently unnamed and is not part of Ackanomia.  This land is not Common.
> Although this land may be visited if a player can cross the stream, it may
> not be bought, built upon, or otherwise altered except by rules which
> specify that they apply to this land. [It is rumored that this foreign land
> is littered with machines of war left over from a battle between the
> ancients.]
> 
> 7b)  This section, including anything in this rule whose section number
> begins with 7, takes precedence over all rules regarding land, buildings or
> transportation.
> FLOWING

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:14:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2480 rejected

Results of Proposal 2480

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
9/17 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
else...if           (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
Malenkai
Slakko              (SPAM)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
Vynd                (Vulcan)
rufus
ThinMan             (Vulcan)
Vulcan Unity Vote

    NO:
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
mr cwm              (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
breadbox
Rex Mundi
two-star            (MetaMorph)
K 2

    PRESENT:

    ABSTAINED:
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Red Barn
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2480 - Wed 10 Dec 1997 14:48:53
> A little more sense...
> else...if (Henry Towsner)
> 
> Rule 1013 will be amended so that the sentance "An Organization that has a
> Secret Laboratory may, as an action, build a Gadget from any existing
> Qualified Blueprint once per calendar month."  replaced with "An
> Organization may, as an action, build a Gadget from any existing Qualified
> Blueprint once per month for each Secret Labratory the organization owns."

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:18:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2481 rejected

Results of Proposal 2481

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
5/14 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
Malenkai
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
Vynd                (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi

    NO:
else...if           (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
Slakko              (SPAM)
mr cwm              (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
two-star            (MetaMorph)
rufus
ThinMan             (Vulcan)
K 2

    PRESENT:
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
breadbox

    ABSTAINED:
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Red Barn
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2481 - Wed 10 Dec 1997 15:05:18
> Crack Down on Scam Orgs
> Malenkai (Randy Hall)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> 
> {{[This cuts down on creating orgs to surf
> Malenkai's Loophole.  Assuming the org buys 
> one power ever, no money is actually lost.  
> 
> I don't think orgs with just players and no
> powers are really that useful anyway in terms
> of the game; past and present postmasters
> have been willing to set up mailing lists for
> players who wished to associate, and churches
> can be used for that purpose.  Moreover, all
> current orgs in that state are grandfathered,
> and it would still be possible to create an
> org in that state with the cooperation of 
> another org, it just makes it harder to create
> several in on message for scams.
> 
> So it becomes a tradeoff.]}}
>  
> -----------------------------------------------
> 
> Amend rule 1003, "Organizations", to replace
> 
> "
> Any Player may form a new Organization by announcing its 
> name publicly. (Its name must be a legal name.) When this
> happens, that Player becomes the Founder of the new 
> Organization and its only member. Organizations formed in
> this way are known as Player-sanctioned Organizations.
> "
> 
> with:
> 
> "
> Any Player may form a new Organization by announcing its 
> name (which must be legal) and paying an A$50 harfer fee. 
> When this happens, that Player becomes the Founder 
> of the new Organization and its only member, and A$50 is transferred
> to the Organization. Organizations formed in this way are known
> as Player-sanctioned Organizations.
> "

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:22:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2482 accepted

Results of Proposal 2482

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
12/16 YES votes: Proposal accepted

    YES:
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
Malenkai
Slakko              (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
else...if           (SPAM)
Rex Mundi
two-star            (MetaMorph)
rufus
ThinMan             (Vulcan)
MetaMorph Unity Vote

    NO:
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
mr cwm              (SPAM)
breadbox
K 2

    PRESENT:
Vynd                (Vulcan)

    ABSTAINED:
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Red Barn
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2482 - Wed 10 Dec 1997 15:06:09
> Organizational Proxies
> Malenkai (Randy Hall)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> 
> {{[tired of all those acking of org actions?
> This, could be the cure -- works great for
> single and multi-player orgs]}}
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Amend rule 1005, "Organization Action", to add the
> following paragraph to the end of the rule.
> 
> "
> A member of an Organization may proxy their approval
> to that Organization.  A player whose approval is
> proxied to an Organization may renounce their proxy
> to that Organization.  Whenever an Organizational
> Action is suggested by a member of that Organization,
> all members of that Organization whose approval is proxied
> automatically approve of the action at the time it is suggested.
> "

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:28:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2483 rejected

Results of Proposal 2483

15/20 votes: Quorum achieved
5/15 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Malenkai
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
two-star            (MetaMorph)
ThinMan             (Vulcan)

    NO:
else...if           (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
Slakko              (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
breadbox
Vynd                (Vulcan)
rufus
K 2

    PRESENT:

    ABSTAINED:
mr cwm              (SPAM)
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Red Barn
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2483 - Wed 10 Dec 1997 15:06:49
> An Army of Really Fine Tax Lawyers
> Malenkai (Randy Hall)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Create a new rule, numbered 1017, entitled
> "An Army of Really Fine Tax Lawyers", with the following text:
> 
> "
> An Army of Really Fine Tax Lawyers is an Organizational Power.
> An Organization may buy An Army of Really Fine Tax Lawyers for A$500. 
> 
> An Organization that has An Army of Really Fine Tax Lawyers never
> loses any currency as a result of something described in the rules
> as a tax; this clause has precedence over all rules with which it
> conflicts.
> "

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:33:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2484 rejected

Results of Proposal 2484

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
9/17 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
else...if           (SPAM)
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
Slakko              (SPAM)
mr cwm              (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
breadbox
K 2
SPAM Unity Vote

    NO:
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
Malenkai
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
Vynd                (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
two-star            (MetaMorph)
rufus
ThinMan             (Vulcan)

    PRESENT:

    ABSTAINED:
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Red Barn
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2484 - Wed 10 Dec 1997 15:18:36
> Membership Dues
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> {{[Organizations currently have no explicit way to force members to pay
> for the upkeep of the organization.  I will fix this.]}}
> 
> Create a new rule, numbered 1006 if possible, titled "Membership Dues",
> and with the following FEE-delimited text:
> 
> FEE
> An organization may levy a fee on its members by making an Organizational
> Action which states the fee and how it is to be applied.  Such an
> Organizational Action, other rules on Organizational Actions
> notwithstanding, shall require the unanimous support of all active members
> of that organization, membership to be determined as at the time that the
> last active member to submit their opinion does so.
> 
> A member of an Organization must pay any fee levied, unless they leave the
> organization within 3 days of the fee being approved.  All fees paid as a
> result of an Organizational Action which levies a fee go directly to the
> organization.
> FEE

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:36:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2485 rejected

Results of Proposal 2485

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
3/15 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
Vynd                (Vulcan)
K 2

    NO:
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
Slakko              (SPAM)
mr cwm              (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
else...if           (SPAM)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
breadbox
Rex Mundi
two-star            (MetaMorph)
rufus
ThinMan             (Vulcan)

    PRESENT:
Malenkai

    ABSTAINED:
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Red Barn
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2485 - Wed 10 Dec 1997 17:32:37
> Ooh, Geri...
> Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> 
> Amend Rule903, "The Gumball", by appending to the first paragraph the
> sentence "It has a Spice Girl on the wrapper."

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:40:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2486 rejected

Results of Proposal 2486

17/20 votes: Quorum achieved
9/17 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
Red Barn
mr cwm              (SPAM)
two-star            (MetaMorph)
ThinMan             (Vulcan)
K 2
MetaMorph Unity Vote

    NO:
Malenkai
Slakko              (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
else...if           (SPAM)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
Vynd                (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
rufus

    PRESENT:
breadbox

    ABSTAINED:
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2486 - Wed 10 Dec 1997 17:35:20
> Super-Twin Powers, Deactivate!
> Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> 
> Amend Rule 1007, "Organizational Powers", to replace "tradeable"
> with "nontradeable".  Also, append the following text(delimited by
> IMMOBILE):
> 
> IMMOBILE
> 
> An Organization may only possess one of a given Power.  If it should
> ever be the case that an Organization possesses more than one of any
> Power, all but one of those Powers are destroyed.
> IMMOBILE

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:43:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 2487 rejected

Results of Proposal 2487

16/20 votes: Quorum achieved
6/13 YES votes: Proposal rejected

    YES:
The Gingham Wearer  (SPAM)
Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
Slakko              (SPAM)
Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
else...if           (SPAM)
Vynd                (Vulcan)

    NO:
Malenkai
mr cwm              (SPAM)
/dev/joe            (Vulcan)
Rex Mundi
rufus
ThinMan             (Vulcan)
K 2

    PRESENT:
Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
breadbox
two-star            (MetaMorph)

    ABSTAINED:
Red Barn
Crackfoo            (Harf)
Michael Wren
Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)

    VACATIONING:
norpan
Archie Leach

> Proposal 2487 - Wed 10 Dec 1997 17:37:40
> Humility Is Always Interesting.
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> This is a Modest Proposal.
> Amend Rule 207 by replacing all instances of the phrase
> "A proposal is Boring" by "A non-Modest proposal is Boring", and appending
> the sentence "Modest Proposals are never Boring" to section VIII.

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