Subject: acka-research Digest V4 #145
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acka-research Digest	Thursday, August 12 1999	Volume: 04  Issue: 145

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Kontrived Zonnet Presented Just Cause.
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:19:23 -0400 (EDT)

Oops this was a little premature; Obviously I haven't finished it....
well its obvious now that I've told you :-)

K 2

K 2 wrote:
> 
> Now that I've finished sulking, I shall reveal my genius as it relates
> to T253,

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From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4297 accepted
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:11:20 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, John Bollinger wrote:
> EA!P! wrote:
> 
> >I change the gamestate by changing Studge's Proposal Characteristic to 1.
> >I change the gamestate by changing Studge's Voting Characteristic to 0.
> >I change the gamestate by changing Studge's State to Non-Voting.
> 
> I am of the general opinion that at least the first two of these worked.
> I am, however, very disappointed.  These actions are oppression, not harf.
> The proposal was harfy, yes, but the _rule_ is not.

I am also of the opinion that the first two worked.
However, I think a more appropriate 'punishment' for Studge having
attempted the 'Agora Scam' even after it's existance had already been
pointed out (something which has always been considered bad form in Acka)
is the following which I am not actually performing (note the forum) (I
would also consider it bad form to abuse this 'punishment rule' more than
once):
    I change Studge's Harf characteristic to -1 as a public action.

--JT

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From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4297 accepted
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:50:49 -0400 (EDT)

ackabot wrote:
>
>Proposal 4297
>Votes to accept:
>  /dev/joe              100         ==> 3266
>  Quoth the Raven       120    -20  ==> 548
>  Blest Lax Monk Pal    100         ==> 699
>  A German Dog          100         ==> 3389
>  else...if             100         ==> 1637
>  Alfvaen                97    +1   ==> 754
>  Emperor Ai! Pedrito!   61    +19  ==> 760
>  ThinMan                20    +20  ==> 1996
>  fixing...ELK          100         ==> 2108
>  Rachel L Walmsley     180    -80  ==> 710
>  Niccolo Flychuck       60    +20  ==> 100
>  K 2                    72    +14  ==> 777
>
> An Alternative to Tyranny
> Eggplant Tempura
> Due: Thu Aug 12 01:53:46 1999
> Sphere: Tocpe
> Status: accepted
> Declared Harfy: at Thu Aug  5 02:35:06 1999 by Emperor Ai! Pedrito!
> 
> 
> [It has come to my attention that no other player than Studge seems to
> send in "obvious" win attempts or emperor attempts that rely on nothing
> more than the rampant discordianism of Acka.  Therefore, I decided to
> sacrifice my proposal record -- and Studge -- to regularly offer Acka what
> it so desperately needs: a punching bag. ]
> 
> Amend Rule 1 by appending to the bottom the following EMPEROR delimited
text.
>  
> EMPEROR
> Any player may amend, repeal, and/or create rules, and otherwise modify
> the ruleset and gamestate as a public action, inasmuch as the effects
> of such alteration affect no entity other than the player legally able to
> assume the name Studge, and furthermore the alteration has a negative
> effect on said player.
> EMPEROR
> 
> [ Let's face it, the other's been done. ]
> 

First they came for the Studges,
But I wasn't a Studge so I didn't object...

Then they came for the Wombles,
But I wasn't from Wimbledon so I didn't object...

Then they came for the Canadians,
But I wasn't a dirty, evil, viperous Canadian so I didn't object...

Then they went after Phoebe, who'd never hurt anyone,
But I wasn't a nanotech flea so I didn't object...

Finally they came after me,
And, well, Rachel L Walmsley and Quoth the Raven were around but they're
just plain mean and no one ELSE was around to object...

- Taken from a stone tablet sent back to us from future Ackan archeologists...

Studge

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From: Rachel L Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4320
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:33:28 -0400 (EDT)

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Proposal 4320
> Because they aren't doing anything
> else...if
> Due: Thu Aug 19 18:26:20 1999
> Sphere: Tocpe
> 
>         Repeal rule 10 and all of its children except for 10-1-4 and 10-1-5

I don't like this proposal for many reasons, but that's just a matter of
taste really, but one problem that it has that was probably unforseen is
that it would trample all over my proposal 4315 should that pass.

Quoth.

-- 
Rachel "I am not a walrus" Walmsley. mailto:[email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html ICQ: 2925739
"Among wizards?" said Ridcully. "Mister Stibbons, unusual behaviour is
perfectly ordinary for wizards." - Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent

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From: Henry Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4320
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:36:21 -0400 (EDT)

>I don't like this proposal for many reasons, but that's just a matter of
>taste really, but one problem that it has that was probably unforseen is
>that it would trample all over my proposal 4315 should that pass.
	Inasmuch as the purpose of the proposal is to repeal geography,
that's sort of a given.

--
-Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
enjoy it.
		-Logan Pearsall Smith

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From: Rachel L Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4320
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:45:30 -0400 (EDT)

Henry Towsner wrote:
> 
> >I don't like this proposal for many reasons, but that's just a matter of
> >taste really, but one problem that it has that was probably unforseen is
> >that it would trample all over my proposal 4315 should that pass.
>         Inasmuch as the purpose of the proposal is to repeal geography,
> that's sort of a given.

I have nothing particularly against the repeal of geography but I think
that with this proposal you are trying to throw the baby out with the
bathwater. If you want to get rid of stuff like "I go to <such a
location>" then I don't have anything against that, but there are some
other aspects to some of the rules you're trying to repeal (ackanomicon,
portrait gallery, ackanomic institute of genetic replication, evil
laboratory) all actually do something. I see no good reason why they
should all go.

Quoth

-- 
Rachel "I am not a walrus" Walmsley. mailto:[email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html ICQ: 2925739
"Among wizards?" said Ridcully. "Mister Stibbons, unusual behaviour is
perfectly ordinary for wizards." - Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4320
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:26:12 -0400 (EDT)

At 06:45 PM 8/12/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Henry Towsner wrote:
>> 
>> >I don't like this proposal for many reasons, but that's just a matter of
>> >taste really, but one problem that it has that was probably unforseen is
>> >that it would trample all over my proposal 4315 should that pass.
>>         Inasmuch as the purpose of the proposal is to repeal geography,
>> that's sort of a given.
>
>I have nothing particularly against the repeal of geography but I think
>that with this proposal you are trying to throw the baby out with the
>bathwater. If you want to get rid of stuff like "I go to <such a
>location>" then I don't have anything against that, but there are some
>other aspects to some of the rules you're trying to repeal (ackanomicon,
>portrait gallery, ackanomic institute of genetic replication, evil
>laboratory) all actually do something. I see no good reason why they
>should all go.
>
>Quoth

I agree.  Even the idea of ownership of land and such can be separated from
the movement stuff.

Let our votes speak for themselves!

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
Acting Registrar * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4299 accepted
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:57:01 -0400 (EDT)

> 	Create rule 2-2-2, "Mannna Results" move everything in rule 20-1-2
except for
> the first two and the last paragraph.

I am harfing this to mean: 

Create rule 2-2-2, "Mannna Results" and move everything in rule 20-1-2
except for
the first three and the last paragraph into it, because this is what else
meant.  The 'two' is obviously meant to be a 'three' from context.

*ducking as everyone else gets ready to thwap em*

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
Acting Registrar * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4299 accepted
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:03:28 -0400 (EDT)

>*ducking as everyone else gets ready to thwap em*
>
I thwap Emperor Ai! Pedrito!.

BLMP.

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From: Henry Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4299 accepted
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:04:46 -0400 (EDT)

>Create rule 2-2-2, "Mannna Results" and move everything in rule 20-1-2
>except for
>the first three and the last paragraph into it, because this is what else
>meant.  The 'two' is obviously meant to be a 'three' from context.

	This is correct.  I didn't realize that my second paragraph was
actually two separate ones.

--
-Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
enjoy it.
		-Logan Pearsall Smith

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