Subject: acka-research Digest V4 #143
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acka-research Digest	Tuesday, August 10 1999	Volume: 04  Issue: 143

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4283 accepted
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:24:39 -0400 (EDT)

This was the 2001'st accepted non-null proposal.

K 2

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Proposal 4283
> 
> Subcommittee vote for: 300   against:0
> Subcommittee Acceptance Index: 300.0
> Passed subcommittee
> Total vote for: 757   Total vote against:-271
> Acceptance Index: 350.5: proposal accepted
> 

>  Proposal 4283
>  The Best Offense is a Good Defense
>  Emperor Ai! Pedrito!
>  Due: Fri Aug  6 12:36:11 1999
>  Sphere: Anti-Canada Kamikaze Alliance
>  Status: accepted
> 
>

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: random president
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:28:52 -0400 (EDT)

Dice server wrote:
> # 1 - K 2
> # 2 - King Felix
>       2

Sooo close. Just goes to show when I campaign I really put my foot in it
:-) Congrats King Felix.

K 2

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 722 (FALSE)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:34:36 -0400 (EDT)

Towsner wrote:
> 
> Call for Judgement 722 - June 22, 1999
> Subject: Looks Vaguely Familiar
> Initiator: else...if
> Judge: Studge
> Judgement: FALSE
> Appealed by: Slakko
> 1st Supreme Cortex: K 2 and Laa Laa (declined)
> 2nd Supreme Cortex: K 2 and /dev/joe
> Judgement: FALSE
> 
>

Is there a penalty fro frivolous appeal these days? I can't find any...
apologies to Slakko for forgetting to specify one if there is.

K 2

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 722 (FALSE)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT)

Duncan Richer wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Towsner wrote:
> 
> > Call for Judgement 722 - June 22, 1999
> > Subject: Looks Vaguely Familiar
> > Initiator: else...if
> > Judge: Studge
> > Judgement: FALSE
> > Appealed by: Slakko
> > 1st Supreme Cortex: K 2 and Laa Laa (declined)
> > 2nd Supreme Cortex: K 2 and /dev/joe
> > Judgement: FALSE
> 
> Why did you decide to penalise me 25 points (the default) for this appeal?
> Was it really that bad?  Will you do it again for 724, despite the fact
> that I appealed it to prevent a possible contradiction in the rules?

The only references to 25 in the rules at the moment apear to be:

the game shall end when all players have been Brainiac the same number
of times, and one or more players has 25 or more
Gamepoints. 

Vomiting (18) The Ingested Chemical causes an attack of Vomiting,
followed by the ingestor passing out. E wakes up in gaol with a
headache, and loses 25 mannna. 

there are a few for "twenty" as well...

K 2

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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4302
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:10:45 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 [email-masked] wrote:

> Proposal 4302
> 	{{[It's easier if we just keep a running count of the nominations so
> far.  I know I sometimes forget too, but this'll be more reason to
> remember.]}}
> 
> 	In rule 10-1-4 replace "messages to the public forum supporting the
> nominee" with "messages to the public forum supporting the nominee and
> counting the number of players who have done so so far, emself
> included,"

This assumes that email delivery is ordered.  It ain't.  You will end up
with two people saying 2, and so.  It is nice when people do this, but 
it shouldn't be mandated behavior.

rufus

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From: Henry Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4302
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:17:07 -0400 (EDT)

>This assumes that email delivery is ordered.  It ain't.  You will end up
>with two people saying 2, and so.  It is nice when people do this, but
>it shouldn't be mandated behavior.

	I'm aware that it isn't, but it's pretty close.  This rarely
happens; if it does, people can renominate.

--
-Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
enjoy it.
		-Logan Pearsall Smith

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From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4302
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:29:42 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 [email-masked] wrote:
> 	{{[It's easier if we just keep a running count of the nominations so
> far.  I know I sometimes forget too, but this'll be more reason to
> remember.]}}
> 
> 	In rule 10-1-4 replace "messages to the public forum supporting the
> nominee" with "messages to the public forum supporting the nominee and
> counting the number of players who have done so so far, emself
> included,"

There's a problem with this.    Player A supports the nomination.
Both player B and C now support both citing '2'.  One of player B's or C's
counts will be incorrect as one of them will hit the mail server first.

Personally, I believe it's the job of the speaker to track the total
number of nominations recieved.  I know I did when I was speaker.

--JT

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From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: my bad
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:35:46 -0400 (EDT)

I will turn on my english parser before reading rules in the morning, I
will, I promise.

As else...if pointed out to me, the university only casts votes for the
nominee, so yeah, it would be ugly and needs fixing.

--JT

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From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4292 accepted
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:40:06 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 [email-masked] wrote:

> Proposal 4292
> 
> Votes to reject:
>   Niccolo Flychuck      -60    +20  ==> 40

Eh?

IB

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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4302
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:44:44 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Henry Towsner wrote:

> >This assumes that email delivery is ordered.  It ain't.  You will end up
> >with two people saying 2, and so.  It is nice when people do this, but
> >it shouldn't be mandated behavior.
> 
> 	I'm aware that it isn't, but it's pretty close.  This rarely
> happens; if it does, people can renominate.

It happens all the time.  Renominating is a pain, and source of BWG.  And 
which player does it?  If you go buy time you may force many people to 
revote.

The speaker, or Count Tabula needs to track this stuff.  It isn't that
much work.   Less than me having to make sure I did it in the right order.
I think you are trying to solve a non-problem.

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From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 722 (FALSE)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:46:02 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, K 2 wrote:

> Is there a penalty fro frivolous appeal these days? I can't find any...
> apologies to Slakko for forgetting to specify one if there is.

It appears there is not.  Hmmm, free appeals.  Sounds rather too easy to
bog the system down.

-- 
Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/
Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory
My stream of consciousness has dried up.  Time to try irrigation.

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From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 722 (FALSE)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:55:01 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Duncan Richer wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, K 2 wrote:
> 
> > Is there a penalty fro frivolous appeal these days? I can't find any...
> > apologies to Slakko for forgetting to specify one if there is.
> 
> It appears there is not.  Hmmm, free appeals.  Sounds rather too easy to
> bog the system down.

Okay.. I don't recall any of the recent proposals repealing this bit.
Could the rule-harfer please enlighten us as to whether this was an
unintended side effect of a proposal (which one) or if this is merely a
harfing error?

--JT

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 722 (FALSE)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:04:13 -0400 (EDT)

At 02:55 PM 8/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Duncan Richer wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, K 2 wrote:
>> 
>> > Is there a penalty fro frivolous appeal these days? I can't find any...
>> > apologies to Slakko for forgetting to specify one if there is.
>> 
>> It appears there is not.  Hmmm, free appeals.  Sounds rather too easy to
>> bog the system down.
>
>Okay.. I don't recall any of the recent proposals repealing this bit.
>Could the rule-harfer please enlighten us as to whether this was an
>unintended side effect of a proposal (which one) or if this is merely a
>harfing error?
>

P4266

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
Acting Registrar * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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