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acka-research-digest    Saturday, November 7 1998    Volume 03 : Number 262

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 08:02:33 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 676 (1-UNDECIDED) (TEFKatSC)

JT wrote:

> If I do end up getting the chance to resubmit the Agenda Hat win (I would
> prefer to get the museum win since it's a one of a kind), and if I do get
> the Agenda Hat win, I would happily be Illuminatus.   Basically, right now
> I'm going to wait and resubmit right before my win comes due on Friday
> unless someone appeals 680, in which case I will resubmit the museum win.
>
> I will also note for those interested that due to the length of time taken
> judging 680, that (assuming it's not appealed and overturned) I could
> resubmit it anyway and claim a winning condition twice.  Once we are out
> of Anarchy, either /dev/joe or I will be proproposing something that will
> hopefully fix this problem.
>
> --JT
>

And you're not going to expoit it?

Bad as breadbox ;)

K 2

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 08:02:43 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 684 (r-attila the farce)

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

>K2, when did you harf me receiving an Edam?  The entity log only shows

> stuff back to the beginning of October.
>
> /dev/joe

Not that it really matters now but I have you down as recieving an Edam
at
10/02/1902  0:00:00 which is short hand for before my time :)

K 2

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 08:02:54 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 685 (r-attila the farce)

Is this correct in light of Rule 212 : vi) All Players who have declined
to
judge the CFJ are excluded.

r-AtF is/was currently judging CFJ 684.

K 2

Duncan Richer wrote:

> r-attila the farce has been selected (again!)
>
> Call for Judgement 685 - November 2, 1998
> Subject: Broken Ballot Stuffers
> Initiator: K 2 (sent 02 Nov 1998, 21:25 Acka)
> Judge: r-attila the farce
> Judgement:
>

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 08:03:56 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: I'm Movin' Out!

As far as I can deterimine a player is enshrined into the HoE at the end
of
eir confirmation period.....

I was goin to submit a CFJ but conviced myself that I knew the answer ;)
rather than submit a trivial CFJ I'll just quote the rules where
"inducted"
and "enshrined" are use and leave it up to the viewer to decied :)

Rule 950.2 (ASS song: No-one But You)
...
Trigger: Whenever a player is inducted into the hall of elders.
...

Rule 842 (The Town Hall)
...
During a state funeral when an Elder is inducted it is flown at half
mast.
...

Rule 843 (Hall of Elders)
...
Once confirmed, the great honor of being enshrined in the Hall of Elders
is
bestowed upon the nominee
...

> Can I just point out that, as far as I know, the induction of breadbox
> into the Hall of Elders means that no movement is allowed for 3 days.
>

K 2

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 08:04:03 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Justiciary

Since Twits has a Single player thingy, I'll take this as done.

K 2

Tom Walmsley wrote:

> > I request entrance into the twits.
>
> I suggest we accept A Mean Hat. into the Twits.
>
> Gromit, twit.
>
> --
> Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
> http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
> AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
> Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 08:04:16 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Old Things

Just so yall know, I've removed all orphaned entities from the pe pages;
I still have the information so if you want to know who owns the Purple
Key to the Vault, you can contact me... I may even tell you :)

K 2

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 09:15:18 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Peachy.

On the 3/11/1998  18:40:40 Wild Card had transfered to em the Sheild owned by
the EBS Church
On 04 Nov 1998 14:01:13 Proposal 3710 passed as destroyed the following cards:

Church of Banna had one OC Swinging Sale which was destroyed.
AVPP had one OC Truthseeker which was destroyed.
AVPP had one OC Skeleton Key which was destroyed.

K 2

JT wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Mueller wrote:
> >#Because of JAM Church Policy, this happens w/o approval
> >#of any other JAM members
> >#
> >#Church to the EBS and AVPP members: i suggest you do the
> >#same... We only have a few days :)
>
> Hrmm.. I believe those got destroyed the other day.. I just forgot to
> note it.
> Church of Banna had one OC Swinging Sale which was destroyed.
> Church to the EBS had one OC Shield which was destroyed.
> AVPP had one OC Truthseeker which was destroyed.
> AVPP had one OC Skeleton Key which was destroyed.
>
> --JT
>
> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
> [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
> [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 09:23:53 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hats

The following players gave A$40 to JT when e became Agent of Kaos:

K 2
Studge
Gromit

at the end of the next cycle eir scores will be set to -40.

K 2

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 09:36:36 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Idle Musing

I wonder if a CFJ with the statement "JT gained a winning condition when e
became the Agent of KAOS during the current cycle", would fulfill both the
criteria of not being "substantially similar" to "JT has achieved a winning
condition during the current cycle" while still being a CW-CFJ (alleges that e
has achieved a Winning Condition during the current Cycle)?

certainly "JT gained a winning condition when e became the Agent of KAOS during
the current cycle" is substantially different from "JT gained a winning
condition when eir Benefactor Value Exceeded A$5000 during the current cycle."

K 2

JT wrote:

> I'm doing this publically, so that there is no chance of the time at which
> I submitted the CFJ being called into question.
>
> I submit the following CFJ as delimited by MUSEUM.  Headings are included
> for convenience.
> MUSEUM
> Statement:
>         JT has achieved a winning condition during the current cycle.
>
> Reasoning:
>         On  Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:53:15 -0500 (EST)  JT donated A$2705 to
> the museum in the form of 2 of Malenkai's Gold Coins (#27 and #28) and
> the trinket 'JT cleaned out his closet and found all of this junk' (value
> of A$2703).  Since his Benefactor Value at the time of donation was
> A$2296, this brought his total Benefactor Value to over A$5001.  Since
> this was the first time that JT had a Benefactor Value greater than
> A$5000, e achieved a Winning Condition.
> MUSEUM
>
> --JT
>
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> [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 10:37:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hats

K 2 wrote:

> The following players gave A$40 to JT when e became Agent of Kaos:
>
> K 2
> Studge
> Gromit
>
> at the end of the next cycle eir scores will be set to -40.

When will this cycle begin? And for that matter, do we know when the
next one after that will begin yet?

Gromit.

- --
Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:03:56 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hats

I beileve the only unapealed CWCFJ is /dev/joe's (CFJ 684) which will
become unappealable on 09 Nov 1998 05:05:34.

Tom Walmsley wrote:

> K 2 wrote:
>
> > The following players gave A$40 to JT when e became Agent of Kaos:
> >
> > K 2
> > Studge
> > Gromit
> >
> > at the end of the next cycle eir scores will be set to -40.
>
> When will this cycle begin? And for that matter, do we know when the
> next one after that will begin yet?
>
> Gromit.
>
> --
> Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
> http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
> AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
> Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:11:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 685 (r-attila the farce)

On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, K 2 wrote:

> Is this correct in light of Rule 212 : vi) All Players who have declined
> to
> judge the CFJ are excluded.

I think you mean the next bit, the bit about people who have other CFJs.
Well, the current list of eligible players (at least at that time) was
less than half the number of active players, so no players can be removed
from the list of potential Judges merely by virtue of having an
outstanding CFJ.

- -- 
Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College
http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:10:29 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 685 (r-attila the farce)

Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, K 2 wrote:
>
> > Is this correct in light of Rule 212 : vi) All Players who have declined
> > to
> > judge the CFJ are excluded.
>
> I think you mean the next bit, the bit about people who have other CFJs.

oops :)

> Well, the current list of eligible players (at least at that time) was
> less than half the number of active players, so no players can be removed
> from the list of potential Judges merely by virtue of having an
> outstanding CFJ.

Just checking :)

K 2

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:20:23 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hats

On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, K 2 wrote:

>I beileve the only unapealed CWCFJ is /dev/joe's (CFJ 684) which will
>become unappealable on 09 Nov 1998 05:05:34.

This is correct.  I had had it at the 8th in my records, but a quick check
reveals that K2 is correct, and it ends on the 9th at that time.
No other cycles are due at that point although there are other CWCFJs out
there.

- --JT

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:23:16 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: I'm Movin' Out!

On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, K 2 wrote:
>As far as I can deterimine a player is enshrined into the HoE at the end
>of
>eir confirmation period.....
>
>I was goin to submit a CFJ but conviced myself that I knew the answer ;)
>rather than submit a trivial CFJ I'll just quote the rules where
>"inducted"
>and "enshrined" are use and leave it up to the viewer to decied :)
>
>Rule 950.2 (ASS song: No-one But You)
>...
>Trigger: Whenever a player is inducted into the hall of elders.
>...
>
>Rule 842 (The Town Hall)
>...
>During a state funeral when an Elder is inducted it is flown at half
>mast.
>...
>
>Rule 843 (Hall of Elders)
>...
>Once confirmed, the great honor of being enshrined in the Hall of Elders
>is
>bestowed upon the nominee
>...
>
>> Can I just point out that, as far as I know, the induction of breadbox
>> into the Hall of Elders means that no movement is allowed for 3 days.

The part you are missing is that esoteric songs only play where there is
an active player filling the office of DeeJay.  When 404 Not Found went
non-voting, he was removed from that office because it doesn't specify
that a non-voting player can hold it.  The rules for acting offices say
that the acting player isn't holding it for purposes other than 401 and
401.1, so the office is not filled, nor was it at that time.

- --JT

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:23:22 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Peachy.

On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, K 2 wrote:
>On the 3/11/1998  18:40:40 Wild Card had transfered to em the Sheild owned by
>the EBS Church
>On 04 Nov 1998 14:01:13 Proposal 3710 passed as destroyed the following cards:
>
>Church of Banna had one OC Swinging Sale which was destroyed.
>AVPP had one OC Truthseeker which was destroyed.
>AVPP had one OC Skeleton Key which was destroyed.

I was relying on the information on your page at the time.   I will update
my pages.

- --JT

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:29:35 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Play (ACME InstaGadget)

JT wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
> >I play an OC ACME InstaGadget, specifying that it shall create a Spell
> >Book of Chorg in my possession.
>
> I do not believe you had A$500 to spend on this.  Since an Spell Book of
> chorg has never been publically auctioned, that's the price you needed to
> pay.  Not to mention you forgot to say that you were paying the amount.

SBoC have been auctioned before. The first went for the princely sum of A$0.
Later auctions have resulted in somewhat higher prices (i think there has been
at least on since Malenkai's.....)

The whole thing is moot tho if Slakko doesm't own an OIG.....

K 2

>
>
> --JT
>
> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
> [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
> [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:31:55 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: I'm Movin' Out!

I would also aurgue that the actual "induction" doesn't occour until the player
has been confirmed. So I would expect this song to play in about 30 days time
if breadbox doesn't return before then.

K 2

JT wrote:

> The part you are missing is that esoteric songs only play where there is
> an active player filling the office of DeeJay.  When 404 Not Found went
> non-voting, he was removed from that office because it doesn't specify
> that a non-voting player can hold it.  The rules for acting offices say
> that the acting player isn't holding it for purposes other than 401 and
> 401.1, so the office is not filled, nor was it at that time.
>
> --JT
>
> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
> [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
> [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:36:44 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Play (ACME InstaGadget)

On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, K 2 wrote:
>> I do not believe you had A$500 to spend on this.  Since an Spell Book of
>> chorg has never been publically auctioned, that's the price you needed to
>> pay.  Not to mention you forgot to say that you were paying the amount.
>
>SBoC have been auctioned before. The first went for the princely sum of A$0.
>Later auctions have resulted in somewhat higher prices (i think there has been
>at least on since Malenkai's.....)

Um.. According to Slakko's auction page that's not true (which is the only
piece of info I have).   And I don't believe that A$0 was the 'price
paid'.  It was in fact a lack of any price being paid.   However, I don't
really care :)

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:37:27 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: I'm Movin' Out!

On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, K 2 wrote:
>I would also aurgue that the actual "induction" doesn't occour until the player
>has been confirmed. So I would expect this song to play in about 30 days time
>if breadbox doesn't return before then.

No, he's already been confirmed.
He just isn't allowed to use the title or anything unless he stays gone
for 30 days.

- --JT

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[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:37:55 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Step 1

A step one like this leaves me wondering what step two is going to
be....

Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> If it is the case that it is no longer Cycle 24, then I resign as
> Scorekeeper.

I think its still Cycle 23.

> I also resign as Illuminatus.
>
> I go to the Library if I am not there, play "Oh The Drears" by Happy
> Rhodes on the Ackanomic Sound System, and go through the turnstiles
> and past the stuffed goose head into the Vault of the Book.
>
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
> Current Song--Lush:Olympia
> Current Book--Tom Wolfe:The Bonfire of The Vanities
> "What a tasteful and relevant little story."

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:40:43 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: I'm Movin' Out!

JT wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, K 2 wrote:
> >I would also aurgue that the actual "induction" doesn't occour until the player
> >has been confirmed. So I would expect this song to play in about 30 days time
> >if breadbox doesn't return before then.
>
> No, he's already been confirmed.
> He just isn't allowed to use the title or anything unless he stays gone
> for 30 days.

well it said 30 last time I looked ;)

K 2
or not as the case may be :)

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:49:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Play (ACME InstaGadget)

On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, JT wrote:

> Um.. According to Slakko's auction page that's not true (which is the only
> piece of info I have).   And I don't believe that A$0 was the 'price
> paid'.  It was in fact a lack of any price being paid.   However, I don't
> really care :)
> 

:squints at Jt.

Say.. is black a color?

IB
Witchfinder General

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:51:29 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Payday

2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury Eris 25       Pay For The Ambassador
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury Slakko 25       Pay For The Chess Umpire
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury AtF 25       Pay For The General Contractor
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury Slakko 25       Pay For The Clerk of the
Courts
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury Fortunato 25       Pay For The Count Tabula
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury rufus 25       Pay For The CSRR
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury K2 25       Pay For The Financier
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Idiot Treasury -25       Feed For The Chartreuse Goose
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury JT 20       Pay For The Herald
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury Slakko 25       Pay For The Map-Harfer
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury K2 25       Pay For The Org-Harfer
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury breadbox 25       Pay For The Postmaster
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury devjoe 25       Pay For The Promotor
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury JT 25       Pay For The Registar
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury Wie 25       Pay For The Rule-Harfer
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury Alfvaen 25       Pay For The Scorekeeper
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury JT 35       Pay For The Speaker
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury devjoe 25       Pay For The Tabulator
2/11/98 12:00 Auto C K2 1       Pay For The Treasure-Harfer
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury JT 25       Pay For The Trinket Harfer
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury Slakko 25       Pay For The Web-Harfer
2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury Slakko 25       Pay For The Thrall Master

K 2
not bothering to reformat

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:52:57 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ackanomicon Determination

Dice server wrote:

> # Player: Alfvaen
> # Ackanomicon Determination
> # based on the following (using a 49 sided die)
> #  1 - 15 Arcane Trivia
>       8
>

don't listen to the voices Alfvaen.... don't listen

K 2

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:53:48 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Payday

K 2 wrote:

> 2/11/98 12:00 A$ Treasury breadbox 25       Pay For The Postmaster

breadbox was of cource no longer the Postmaster on 2/11 so e didn't get
paid....

K 2

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:03:41 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Play (ACME InstaGadget)

On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, Matt Miller wrote:
>> Um.. According to Slakko's auction page that's not true (which is the only
>> piece of info I have).   And I don't believe that A$0 was the 'price
>> paid'.  It was in fact a lack of any price being paid.   However, I don't
>> really care :)
>> 
>
>:squints at Jt.
>
>Say.. is black a color?

Not scientifically no, but according to rule 1155, it is a Colour :)

- --JT

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:32:22 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Step 1

> A step one like this leaves me wondering what step two is going to
> be....

Probably what you expect, I'm afraid.  I just have no idea of how long
it will take.

> > If it is the case that it is no longer Cycle 24, then I resign as
> > Scorekeeper.

> I think its still Cycle 23.

The pointlog I've been using since August 24th starts with "Cycle 24
begins".  I also have pointlogs for Cycles from 17 through to 23, and
no pair of them seems to be the same.  Are you confused by the
less-than-a-day Cycle 22?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Happy Rhodes:Would That I Could
Current Book--Tom Wolfe:The Bonfire of The Vanities
Tadpoles!  Tadpoles is a winner!

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:34:27 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Play (ACME InstaGadget)

> >Say.. is black a color?

> Not scientifically no, but according to rule 1155, it is a Colour :)

Where do you get "not scientifically"?  What is a scientific definition
of a colour, that would exclude black?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Billy Joel:Movin' Out(Anthony's Song)
Current Book--Tom Wolfe:The Bonfire of The Vanities
Be like the reeds.  Bend with the wind and conceal ducks.

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:37:01 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Step 1

>> A step one like this leaves me wondering what step two is going to
>> be....

>Probably what you expect, I'm afraid.  I just have no idea of how long
>it will take.

I knew it you're going to scam yourself an emperorship and win the gam an
infinate number of times.

> The pointlog I've been using since August 24th starts with "Cycle 24
> begins".  I also have pointlogs for Cycles from 17 through to 23, and
> no pair of them seems to be the same.  Are you confused by the
> less-than-a-day Cycle 22?

no actually I was confused by the title of the scores page:
ACKANOMIC PLAYER SCORES - Cycle 23

K 2

>
>
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
> Song In My Head--Happy Rhodes:Would That I Could
> Current Book--Tom Wolfe:The Bonfire of The Vanities
> Tadpoles!  Tadpoles is a winner!

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:38:05 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Play (ACME InstaGadget)

On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>> >Say.. is black a color?
>
>> Not scientifically no, but according to rule 1155, it is a Colour :)
>
>Where do you get "not scientifically"?  What is a scientific definition
>of a colour, that would exclude black?

A color is usually the reflection of a certain frequency of visible light
and the absorbtion of all others.  Black reflects no frequencies of
visible light.

That is the definition of color that I learned originally :)

- --JT

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:58:50 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Play (ACME InstaGadget)

JT wrote:

> A color is usually the reflection of a certain frequency of visible light
> and the absorbtion of all others.  Black reflects no frequencies of
> visible light.
>
> That is the definition of color that I learned originally :)
>
> --JT

The scientific definition i learnt was "read the rules" :)
Now at least the rules are correct :p

Black is a colour/color
The world is banna

:-p

K 2

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 14:02:54 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Step 1

> > The pointlog I've been using since August 24th starts with "Cycle 24
> > begins".  I also have pointlogs for Cycles from 17 through to 23, and
> > no pair of them seems to be the same.  Are you confused by the
> > less-than-a-day Cycle 22?

> no actually I was confused by the title of the scores page:
> ACKANOMIC PLAYER SCORES - Cycle 23

What, you're expecting one of my web pages to be entirely accurate?
You should know better than that by now.  :-/

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 14:05:40 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Play (ACME InstaGadget)

> >> Not scientifically no, but according to rule 1155, it is a Colour :)

> >Where do you get "not scientifically"?  What is a scientific definition
> >of a colour, that would exclude black?

> A color is usually the reflection of a certain frequency of visible light
> and the absorbtion of all others.  Black reflects no frequencies of
> visible light.

> That is the definition of color that I learned originally :)

So white is not a colour either?  Because it is not the reflection of _a_
frequency of visible light, now, is it?

As far as I'm concerned, colour is an artifact of perception in the brain.
The impingement of absolutely no visible frequencies on the retina
causes the perception of some colour the same way as the perception of
any particular set of visible frequencies does.

I mean, next you'll be saying that "The Sounds of Silence" is logically
meaningless as well.  :-)

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 14:19:53 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Play (ACME InstaGadget)

On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>> >> Not scientifically no, but according to rule 1155, it is a Colour :)
>
>> >Where do you get "not scientifically"?  What is a scientific definition
>> >of a colour, that would exclude black?
>
>> A color is usually the reflection of a certain frequency of visible light
>> and the absorbtion of all others.  Black reflects no frequencies of
>> visible light.
>
>> That is the definition of color that I learned originally :)
>
>So white is not a colour either?  Because it is not the reflection of _a_
>frequency of visible light, now, is it?

Sorry, one or more frequencies.

>As far as I'm concerned, colour is an artifact of perception in the brain.
>The impingement of absolutely no visible frequencies on the retina
>causes the perception of some colour the same way as the perception of
>any particular set of visible frequencies does.

As a fact of language, and how we speak about color, you are correct.  We
are speaking about perception.  However, it's a moot argument since the
rules define black to be a color anyway :)

>I mean, next you'll be saying that "The Sounds of Silence" is logically
>meaningless as well.  :-)

Heheh :)  I probably would yes, but that's neither here (hear) nor there
:)

- --JT

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