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acka-research-digest    Saturday, October 31 1998    Volume 03 : Number 255

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:39:31 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fictionary (Gromit)

Gromit wrote:

> Hmm, okay then. The ing word is janizary. Please submit your definitions.

2. A the board game version of the secret Venezuelan Blood Ritual....

I vote for this definition

K 2
Not a criminal?

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:39:39 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Anarchy for now

I had meant to repeal many to the government types as unworkable... IMOSHO we
should have an anti-voting government type, perhaps a government were using
bonus votes is illegal etc... not ones which totally disenfranchise one section
of the community and give total power to a minority.

k 2

John Bollinger wrote:

> Senator Studge wrote:
> >OK then, what's the point of even having the Governments rulesuite if we
> >never keep any government but Democracy?  If people are going to revolt
> >without even seeing how the government works then we should change the name
> >of the suite to "The No Rule Changes Every So Often Rule Suite".
>
> Just so.  I never was very fond of the governments rule suite to begin
> with.
>
> I probably would not feel so rebellious, however, if the the outcome of
> the proto-government determination had not been stacked.
>
> ThinMan

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:08:36 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Forked Tongue

Jonathan David Amery wrote:

>  D'oh!  I donate the alphabetically first of the set of trinkets such that
> all members of that set are at least as cheap as all other trinkets I own
> to the twits.
>

After much thought; Wild Card has just given sound thwaping, variation 7
to the
twits.

K 2

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:08:51 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Notice to officers who are getting my name wrong

Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> My name is the following "-delimited string:
>
> "
> A Mean Hat.
> "
> You know who you are

It 'twasn't me .... twasnt

K 2

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:09:00 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> In all threads where Slakko has played a Share Your Income card on
> A Mean Hat. in the past 3 days and it has not yet been countered, I
> play my Go Fish card on that Share Your Income card.

Slakko->A Mean Hat. A$2750

> In all other threads where Wild Card has used a Go Fish card within the
> last 3 days on Leather Artifact's Share Your Income card that was played
> on Wild Card, I use my Go Fish card on that Go Fish card played by Wild Card.

SYI->/dev/joe.

Have I got that right?

K 2

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:09:09 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Over Old Ground [Otzma Card Stuff]

> Thanks for the very clear statement Joe.  I have been interpreting it (and
> it's been interpreted in the past) (see my use of an OC Map Shard on
> Alfvaen when I thought he was a treasure custodian but wasn't, and Joe
> Java's attempt to go to a moon where he failed to specify where he was
> going) as an additional requirement that the player incurs.   I think this
> is the crux of the misunderstanding.
>

In the case of a map shard the rules the naming of a map wirter is
additional
to the play not a requirement for a play to be made
"A player who plays this Card shall announce the name of a Map Writer or
Map
Custodian"

A similar wording is in the skeleton key rules:
"
By playing this card, a Player may do one of the following things:

1. Gain entrance to any location e would otherwise not be able to gain
entrance
to, if and only if e has already declared eir
intention to enter.
"

ie the card is played. Additionaly if <this> information was suplied
then
<that> happens as well.

Meanwhile a Go fish requires:
The player who plays the Go Fish Card plays the Card by announcing that
e is
playing it, and which Card it is being used on.

and thus full sepcification requires both the action (I play) and the
target
(on this card)....

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:09:17 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Poet Laureate - risE

so does this mean the A$ is transfered now or upon completion...
K 2
not bothering to read the rules :)

Head Apollo wrote:

> >All right.  I want it within the week.
>
> I accept this commision. (I assume the time limit to be by 00:00 Sunday.)
>
> >Put your, um, poetry where your fingers are.  Yeah.
>
> uh... on the mouse?
>
> >Yeah, but no one said you couldn't fake it.
>
> Oh no. I think they're on to me.
>
> eirs
>
> (What's eirs is mine.)

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:10:23 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3671 rejected

> >Proposal 3671
> >It's the Rhyme for the Reason... of Lovin'
> >The Green Ripper
> >Due: Sun Oct 25 04:09:18 1998
> >
> >
> >Bribe: YES, A$5:  Should this Proposal pass, A$5 will be transferred from
> >its author to each entity able to own A$ which voted YES on this Proposal.
> >
> >All players catch fire as described in Rule 1390.9, "Ready, Aim..."
> >

I've been meaning to ask.... is this a valid bribe. The condition
"should this
proposal pass" seems to fit in with R313 "a condition for receiving its
Bribe"
but I just thought I'd check......

K 2

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:10:29 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: Trinket creation

JT wrote:

> >There is a Church to the Evil Ballot Stuffer.
> >There is no Church of the Evil Ballot Stuffer.
>
> Having just looked up the founding message, I find that you (and Rex) are
> correct, and that the PE page is in error.
>
> Hopefully K 2 will fix this soon.
>
> --JT

It twasnt me twasnt, twas someone else

K 2
not someone else

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:51:38 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3671 rejected

> > >Proposal 3671
> > >The Green Ripper
> > >
> > >Bribe: YES, A$5:  Should this Proposal pass, A$5 will be transferred from
> > >its author to each entity able to own A$ which voted YES on this Proposal.
> > >
> > >All players catch fire as described in Rule 1390.9, "Ready, Aim..."
> > >
> 
> I've been meaning to ask.... is this a valid bribe. The condition
> "should this
> proposal pass" seems to fit in with R313 "a condition for receiving its
> Bribe"
> but I just thought I'd check......

The Bribe rule does indeed allow conditions to follow the short statement
of the bribe, and "should this proposal pass" seems a reasonable and sensible
condition. :-)  Of course, the proposal didn't pass anyway, so no bribes are
handed out regardless.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:23:54 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Public Service Announcement? Or gross blunder?

The following players are in debt:

Gromit        -494
Slakko        -345
Wild Card        -3

K 2
Financier

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:38:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Public Service Announcement? Or gross blunder?

On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, K 2 wrote:

> The following players are in debt:
> 
> Gromit        -494
> Slakko        -345
> Wild Card        -3

 Erm, what happened to the rest of my debt?  

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:41:57 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Fwd: Acka: Swingpoints 28 Oct 1998 02:16:07]

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At 28 Oct 1998 02:16:07 the SwingPoint distribution was:
     404 Not Found has 3
     Alfvaen has 60
     breadbox has 4
     Calvin N Hobbes has 7
     /dev/joe has 121
     Fortunato has 5
     Gromit has 37
     JT has 31
     K 2 has 3
     Niccolo Flychuck has 99
     Rex Mundi has 3
     Robert Sevin has 7
     Robin Hood has 8
     saaremaa has 3
     Slakko has 80
     Studge has 11
     The Green Ripper has 3
     ThinMan has 5
     two-star has 3
     Vynd has 3
     Treasure 194 has 2
     Treasure 244 has 8
     Treasury has 18
     The Church to the Evil Ballot Stuffer has 30
     The Twits has 6
     Balsamic Dragon has 2
     Guy Fawkes has 6
     Red Barn has 32

K 2

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:42:43 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Public Service Announcement? Or gross blunder?

Jonathan David Amery wrote:

>  Erm, what happened to the rest of my debt?

you just *had* to ask didn't you :/

K 2

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:44:00 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Making a grab for it

Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>
> > I give an otzma card go fish, to JAM.
> > As a priest of JAM, I offer myself JAM's art thief Otzma card
> > I accept this offer, read the Art thief, and name the Evil Ballot Stuffer
> > donated to the museum by Rex Mundi.
> > I turn 15 points into an Art Thief Otzma Card, which I give to JAM
> > As a priest of JAM, I offer myself a gofish otzma card
> > I accept this offer.
>
> Whatever happened to the old "once the loophole is pointed out and a fix
> proposed we stop exploiting it" theory?

I would say someone played an otzma card on it and it was go fished.....

K 2
not that someone

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:44:12 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: trinket

Oopps I almost forgot about this :-o

I hastily grab a live chicken and decollate it (taking care to leave the
head
attached ;).

I quickly perform janizary before doing as requested....

K 2

Head Apollo wrote:

> For no particular reason obvious to the naked eye I create a trinket worth
> A$5 named "Pact With Satan" with the following double quote delimited
> description:
>
> "
> I did something for risE behind everyone's back and all I got was one fifth
> of the standard harfer fee, in fact, I've a good mind to just destroy this
> trinket for cash to spite its creator.
> "
>
> I give the Pact With Satan to K 2.
>
> risE

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:44:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Public Service Announcement? Or gross blunder?

On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, K 2 wrote:

> Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> 
> >  Erm, what happened to the rest of my debt?
> 
> you just *had* to ask didn't you :/

 Oh, yeah, I remember.

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 13:04:32 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Public Service Announcement? Or gross blunder?

Oops. Wild Cards debt is of course *much* larger 1379 larger in fact....
:/

K 2

K 2 wrote:

> Jonathan David Amery wrote:
>
> >  Erm, what happened to the rest of my debt?
>
> you just *had* to ask didn't you :/
>
> K 2

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:13:48 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3671 rejected

On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, K 2 wrote:
>I've been meaning to ask.... is this a valid bribe. The condition
>"should this proposal pass" seems to fit in with R313 "a condition for
>receiving its Bribe" but I just thought I'd check......

As far as I can tell, it's a valid bribe.   Even the bit about effects
depending on the way players vote (also in rule 313) defers to the section
on bribes, so it seems like a valid condition to me.

However, the prop failed, so it's irrelevant :)

- --JT

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:50:53 -0500 (EST)
From: "Head Apollo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Mediocrity

>I'd also suggest posting to any nomics you can find since
>you never know who might want to join. I'd also suggest a well defined
>structure for changing liaisons :-). Finally, I think a mechanism where not
>necessarily all the work needs to be done by one person would be a good
thing.
>
>Gromit.

Woah! <cough, cough> I'd better take some sick leave...

It may be a while before I try writing a new rule set for Internomic, but I
have some ideas. I think that the main problem is that there are too few
stable nomics out there, but then again I'm game for a laugh.

eirs

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 23:01:31 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Probabilistic Boon of the Ancients

> # Player: A Mean Hat.
> # Reason: Happy Number
> # Boon of the Ancients determination
> # based on the following (using a 100 sided die)
>
> #  46 -  70     Ancient Scroll (Otzma Card)
>      55

I beleive this otzma card will be created... because it is also my
beleif that
there are 99 Otzma Cars in existance..... I imagine I missed a creation
some
\where along the way tho....

K 2

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