Subject: acka-research-digest V3 #249
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acka-research-digest    Saturday, October 24 1998    Volume 03 : Number 249

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:05:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Proposal 3654 rejected

> Proposal 3654
> 
> Votes: 12/23 (8 YES votes): Quorum not met
> 
> Tammany Bribes:
> /dev/joe A$27 no
> JT A$25 no

In addition to this, Alfvaen submitted a Tammany bribe to me directly for
A$26, YES.  (and no, I didn't peek at it and then bribe for A$27, I was
just doing the same thing Alfvaen always does, adding a little on to the
minimum.)

> No:
>   Bonus Vote (JT)
>   /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
>   Rambo R Minuteman    (The Razor Boomerangs)
>   JT                   (The Razor Boomerangs)

Obviously, Tammany voted NO here, though it wasn't shown.  I will need to
check my bot code and figure out why it didn't show up... given that this
was the only defect I saw in those voting results (aside from the general
apathy of the voting players, which is beyond my control), I'm pleased
with my new 'baby'.

> Abstain
>   Aunt Froot           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
>   Robin Hood           (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)
>   IdiotBoy             (Anti-Voting Preservationist Party)

Maybe they should be called the Non-Voting Party? ;-)
I give the AVPP an honorary puppet head (a non-entity).

/dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:49:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: ACKA: Whats missing? : Proposal 3639 rejected

Acting postmaster - hose em down :)

[email-masked] wrote:

> Proposal 3639

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 03:03:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3659 rejected

> Proposal 3659
> 
> Votes: 12/23 (5 YES votes): Quorum not met

Leather Artifact also voted YES on this one, its results came out before I
could get the records updated on the bot, but at 13/23 with 6 YES votes
it still fails.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:42:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: ATD : EBS Transfer: Who's been a naughty entity?

Wild Card has!

    has 2 Otzma Card: Truthseeker
     has an Otzma Card: Skeleton Key
     has an Otzma Card: Share Your Income
     has 3 Otzma Card: Go Fish

tch tch tch!!!!

K 2

Gavin M. Doig wrote:

> > Right.  I recommend that the Church of the EBS transfer all three of its
> >Otzma Card Go Fishes and its Otzma Card Share your Income to me.  I will
> >share the monies I gain with the Church, as a true son of the Church.
> >
> As founder, I perform these transfers.
>
> Rex Mundi.

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:43:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka Paella

Ambiguous specification; namely from Rule 373 (Public Actions):
"Referring to information contained in other documents or data sources does not
constitute including that information in the message."

If the trinket had been created - it would have been worth A$1 :p

A Mean Hat wrote:

> WOOHOO!!!!
>
> I create a trinket valued at the amount of money that JT has given me since
> 3 minutes before I first frobbed the friznatz, called "I frobbed the
> friznatz and all i got was this A$2 (or A$1)?"  with description "It is A$2
> and it is not A$2"
>

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:43:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka Paella

JT wrote:

> I create a trinket named "the empty, nonenforceable promise to give me
> the next ephemeral gadget that e gets from a spell book of chorg" worth
> A$2 and with the description of "JT will give the next ephemeral gadget
> he gets from a Spell Book of Chorg to A Mean Hat."

This trinket creation fails: the name suplied has ~109 characters

Rule 500.1 (Entity Names):
A name is a sequence of no more than seventy name characters.

You were just testing weren't you JT? ;)

I think the trade still goes/went ahead tho

>I also do in fact promise to give the next ephemeral gadget I get from a
>Spell Book of Chorg to A Mean Hat.

K 2

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:43:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ackanomicon Determination

At least Idon't have to feel guilty now :)

K 2

Dice server wrote:# Player: Studge

> # Ackanomicon Determination
> # based on the following (using a 49 sided die)
>
> # 48 - 49 Judgement Day
>
>      49

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:43:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Organizing something

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

>
> > >I suggest and approve that Fun With Numbers adopt a Communist Single Player
> > >membership policy.
> >
> > I approve this suggestion.
>
> I approve this suggestion; it occurs.
>

et tu devjovus?

K 2

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:43:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Org

Bryan Federico wrote:

> a new Organization named "We threw gas on the
> fire, and now we have stumps for arms"

I guess you mean you threw a propane cylinder on the fire; I can see why
you have stumps for arms :)

K 2

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:44:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Yummy

JT wrote:

> >I find a wandering hotdog vendor, from whom I buy a trinket worth A$2
> >called "Delicious Weinerschnitzel" with the description "Hold the Mustard"
>
> This doesn't work.   Trinkets may only be created in accordance with the
> rules, and buying a trinket from a wandering hotdog vendor is not one of
> those ways.   :)

I interpreted this as a creation attempt dressed up in the guise of a non
action; guess I'm just too lenient :)

K 2

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:44:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka Paella: Off topic

JT wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
> >> On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
> >> >>The fact that the map relied on that is irrelevant I think>
>

JT wrote

> >> >>It would be like my saying:
> >> >>I offer A$1 to the first person to frob the friznatz.

the phrasing of this sentence leads me to believe that JT is merely
discussing
making such an offer; e hasn't actually made it...
"would be like"

> >> >>Now, anyone may in fact take this offer up, and perform this non-action.
> >> >>That doesn't make (I believe) the offer invalid.

this section continues the discussion of the hypothetical phrase offer.

> >> >>--JT, waiting to see who will be the first.

this sentence is, however, discordant; in light of the previous
sentences I took
this to mean that e was waiting to see who would be first to take up the
hypothetical offer....

A Mean Hat Performed:

> >> >I frob the friznatz seventeen times, with a lewd expression on my face.  I
> >> >run to the library where i play "Please Please Me" by the Beatles.  I go to
> >> >the steps of town hall.  I frob the fritznatz seven more times on the steps
> >> >of town hall.  Mother Ackans hide eir children's eyes.  I go home.

Some location changes interspersed with non manipulations of a
non-entity :)

JT wrote:

> >> As I offered, I give A Mean Hat A$1.

This would tend to deny the hypothetical nature of the previous offer; I
understood
this to mean - [If the offer I made was for any reason not valid or has
not
occurred], I give A Mean Hat A$1.

Slakko wrote:

> >Ah ha!  So your offer had no actual merit - if the offer was a legal one
> >then the trade would have happened already!

JT wrote:

> Actually, I think what really happened is that A Mean Hat just got A$2
> because I'd misremembered my wording :)
>
> Feel free to CFJ it if you disagree.

There are two scenarios: JT made an offer and A Mean Hat accepted then
JT confirmed
the trade
*or*
JT made a non offer or hypothetical or illegal offer. A Mean Hat acted
in an insane
manner; JT gave em A$1 to comfort em.

the end result for both scenarios is that JT transferred A$1 to A Mean
Hat, which
is what I've harfed. If any one wishes to argue that two A$1 transfers
occurred;
feel free.

K 2

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:47:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Fwd: Acka: Organizing something]

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Its happened twice. I want to be sure I'm not being inconsistent or
something...

>Bryan Federico wrote:
>
>I pay the SHF and creat a new Organization named "We threw gas on the
>fire, and now we have stumps for arms" minus the quotes.  I invite JT
>and Studge to join

>JT wrote:
>I pay the SHF
>and begin the process of founding a society called 'The
>Great Museum Robbers'.

Now the rules permit voluntary donation (rule 505) and the rules are
quite clear that the SHF is paid at the time of _founding_ not at the
time of pseudo founding (R1003). While I commend both Studge and JT for
highlighting the fact that the SHF would be payable as a result of eir
actions - and furthermore recommend that all players point out implicit
transfers, in this case I am left wondering do they pay now and then
again when the society founds or is this merely notification of the
wiliness to pay when the time comes.

For now I'm going with the double payment option.

K 2

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:37:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: More Bot Stuff

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> The bot assumes all Tammany Bribes are valid, and I will depend on the
> financier to tell me otherwise (except on close votes I may go check on
> my own), but I will try to have the bot keep track of bonus votes itself,
> since these change hands and are created/destroyed much less often than
> A$.  I used the following data from K2's pages as the initial distribution
> of bonus votes, ignoring those not owned by players:

This list conforms to my records.

just so you all know ;)

K 2

>
>
>      404 Not Found has 1
>      A Mean Hat. has 2
>      Alfvaen has 1
>      Altra the FireCat has 1
>      Aunt Froot has 1
>      breadbox has 1
>      Calvin N Hobbes has 1
>      /dev/joe has 2
>      Fortunato has 1
>      IdiotBoy has 1
>      JT has 5
>      K 2 has 2
>      Niccolo Flychuck has 1
>      Rambo R Minuteman has 5
>      Rex Mundi has 1
>      risE has 1
>      Robert Sevin has 1
>      Robin Hood has 1
>      saaremaa has 2
>      Slakko has 2
>      Studge has 1
>      ThinMan has 3
>      two-star has 3
>      Vynd has 5
>      Wild Card has 2
>      Treasure 194 has 1
>      Treasure 204 has 1
>      Treasure 244 has 1
>      Treasury has 3
>      The Church of the Evil Ballot Stuffer has 2
>      Balsamic Dragon has 2
>      Chaos has 4
>      Guy Fawkes has 4
>      mr cwm has 3
>      Mr. Lunatic Fringe has 1
>
> /dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:17:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: More Bot Stuff

> This list conforms to my records.
> 
> just so you all know ;)
> 
> K 2
> 
> >      IdiotBoy has 1

Relly?  Even after burial?

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 15:16:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka Paella

On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, K 2 wrote:
>JT wrote:
>
>> I create a trinket named "the empty, nonenforceable promise to give me
>> the next ephemeral gadget that e gets from a spell book of chorg" worth
>> A$2 and with the description of "JT will give the next ephemeral gadget
>> he gets from a Spell Book of Chorg to A Mean Hat."
>
>This trinket creation fails: the name suplied has ~109 characters
>
>Rule 500.1 (Entity Names):
>A name is a sequence of no more than seventy name characters.
>
>You were just testing weren't you JT? ;)

Actually, I wasn't.  I donate A$1 to the twits.
I then give A$2 to A Mean Hat.

- --JT

[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 15:50:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: More Bot Stuff

K 2 wrote:
>
>Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
>
>> I used the following data from K2's pages as the initial distribution
>> of bonus votes, ignoring those not owned by players:
>
>This list conforms to my records.
>
>just so you all know ;)
>
>K 2
>
>>      Studge has 1
>>
>> /dev/joe

I'm not sure if /dev/joe's listing came out before or after my swingpoint
conversion, but I know that I converted 4 SP into a Bonus Vote before this
confirmation.

(I did it to scare away the non-entity hobo who accosted me on my way to
the library.)

Studge

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 17:41:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3694

On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 [email-masked] wrote:

> Fire is opposed to Water, but joins with Earth in the form of wildfires,

Oh, c'mon!  Water + fire = tequila.
Air + earth = smog.

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.

- -The Green Ripper

The only substitute for good manners is fast reflexes. 

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 19:35:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3694

> Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.

This would be more effective off of acka-research.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Myles & Lenny:Can You Give It All To Me
Current Book--Juanita Coulson:Legacy of Earth
Quixotic Republicans vet first key zero-growth jeremiad.

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:20:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3694

On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> > Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.
> 
> This would be more effective off of acka-research.
> 

Ah yes. But this chiding would be more effective if it named the player
who sent this to acka-research in the first place.

Vynd

[email-masked]

> 
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
> Song In My Head--Myles & Lenny:Can You Give It All To Me
> Current Book--Juanita Coulson:Legacy of Earth
> Quixotic Republicans vet first key zero-growth jeremiad.
> 

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 22:16:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3694

> > > Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.

> > This would be more effective off of acka-research.

> Ah yes. But this chiding would be more effective if it named the player
> who sent this to acka-research in the first place.

Sorry.  It was The Green Ripper, who hid this inamongst proposal commentary,
and on the wrong list.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Thompson Twins:Side Kicks
Current Book--Juanita Coulson:Legacy of Earth
This was written by an infinite number of monkeys.

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 22:52:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: More Bot Stuff

Just so people don't get frightened, this is a confirmation of the correctness
of /dev/joe's list _at the time) e posted it.

K 2

K 2 wrote:

> Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
>
> > of bonus votes, ignoring those not owned by players:
>
> This list conforms to my records.
>
> just so you all know ;)
>
> K 2

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 23:01:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3694

The Green Ripper Wrote:

> > > > Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.

Alfvaen Replied:

> > > This would be more effective off of acka-research.

Vynd Responded:

> > Ah yes. But this chiding would be more effective if it named the player
> > who sent this to acka-research in the first place.

Alfvaen Rejoined:

> Sorry.  It was The Green Ripper, who hid this inamongst proposal commentary,
> and on the wrong list.

Lets lynch em :)

K 2
and you thought I was going to add something useful to the debate :)

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 23:15:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Org

Bryan Federico wrote:

> >Now that this org is actually formed, I suggest that it adopt a
> communist
> >single player entrance policy and approve this.
> >
> >--JT
>
> I also approve this as founder this happens (I think)

only Leather Artifact and JT have aproved Studge and /dev/joe still need
to aprove...

K 2

>
>
> Leather Artifact
> (:|Worker|General Contractor|Daring Adventurer|:)
>
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