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acka-research-digest   Thursday, September 24 1998   Volume 03 : Number 226

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:02:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3615

On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, nomicbot wrote:

> Proposal 3615
> Twit Me Twice and it's still Shame On You
> Fo (Duncan Richer)
> 
> This is a Modest Proposal.
> 
> Create a new Rule, numbered 105, titled "Equal Opportunity Act", with the
> following FAIR-delimited text:
> 
> FAIR
> Any proposal which discriminates between players on the basis of their
> identity shall be deemed invalid and removed from voting consideration.  
> FAIR
> 

I don't think this is a very good idea.  For one thing, "identity" is a
bit vague, in the Acka scheme of things. Ditto discriminates.  For another
thing, sometimes there are perfectly good reasons for a proposal t
"discriminate."

Vynd

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 02:41:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3617

On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> > Proposal 3617
> > Fill in the Blank: Edinburgh *blank* Festival
> > Fo (Duncan Richer)
> 
> > Create a new Rule, numbered 1280, titled "Fringe Festival", with the
> > following SURRY-delimited text:
> 
> I could, of course, be wrong, but I recall hearing somewhere that
> Edmonton(Alberta, Canada, for any who may not know)is the city of
> origin for the Fringe Festival.  Anyone with facts to the contrary is
> free to volunteer them.

Well, the Edinburgh F F is the world's largest - so that's as good a
reason as any to specify that city.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 03:07:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3586 rejected

On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> 
> What is wrong with you Ackans?! This almost passed!
Well, maybe next time...

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 03:26:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3586 rejected

>>> Proposal 3586 - Sat 12 Sep 1998 11:21 EDT
>>> Let's see if this works...
>>> Studge (Tom Mueller)
>>> 
>>> This is a Modest Proposal.
>>> 
>>> {{Studge wins the current cycle of Ackanomic.}}
> 
>> What is wrong with you Ackans?! This almost passed!
>> --Anathema

I offer this as evidence that anti-voting is not the core of the
problem that the anti-anti-voters were attempting to address.

breadbox

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 03:52:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3586 rejected

On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> >>> Proposal 3586 - Sat 12 Sep 1998 11:21 EDT
> >>> Let's see if this works...
> >>> Studge (Tom Mueller)
> >>> 
> >>> This is a Modest Proposal.
> >>> 
> >>> {{Studge wins the current cycle of Ackanomic.}}
> > 
> >> What is wrong with you Ackans?! This almost passed!
> >> --Anathema
> 
> I offer this as evidence that anti-voting is not the core of the
> problem that the anti-anti-voters were attempting to address.

Hear, hear.  

Yours,
Fo
bring back anti-voting
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 04:36:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3615

> As a side note, this was also my objection to P3576 which basically
> forced me to be required to write a parade.

I honestly didn't think it would be taken that way.

> I think "onerous" is in the eye of the player being targeted, and I
> also agree that P3576 should not have singled out JT to write a parade
> (it also should have acknowledged the Jukkasjarvi creator in all of
> this :-)).

Well, you were still On Ice at the time I submitted it (though you had
rejoined before it was actually distributed).

I humbly apologize to all concerned, and will eschew such maneuvers in
the future.

breadbox

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 05:08:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (I am the Water Boatman)
Subject: Acka: winning by proposal

>> Proposal 3586 - Sat 12 Sep 1998 11:21 EDT
>> Let's see if this works...
>> Studge (Tom Mueller)
>> 
>> This is a Modest Proposal.
>> 
>> {{Studge wins the current cycle of Ackanomic.}}
> 

>What is wrong with you Ackans?! This almost passed!

I had to vote for it for its sheer brassneck. Marvellous stuff.

Anyway, would it have been successful even if it had passed? I don't think the
rules permit winning in this way.
 
Ethelred

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:07:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Duncan C. \"Slakko\" Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3605 rejected

On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, nomicbot wrote:

> Results of Proposal 3605
> 
> 19/30 votes: Quorum achieved
> 9/18 YES votes: Proposal rejected
> 
>     NO:
> K 2
> Bonus Vote                              [K 2 used a Bonus Vote]
> Tammany                                 [K 2 bribed Tammany A$30]

I hope that we can expect to see a proposal from you in the very near
future which contains monosodium glutamate.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Clerk of the Court

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:22:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: winning by proposal

> >> Proposal 3586 - Sat 12 Sep 1998 11:21 EDT
> >> Let's see if this works...
> >> Studge (Tom Mueller)
> >> 
> >> This is a Modest Proposal.

> >> {{Studge wins the current cycle of Ackanomic.}}

> >What is wrong with you Ackans?! This almost passed!

> I had to vote for it for its sheer brassneck. Marvellous stuff.

> Anyway, would it have been successful even if it had passed? I don't think the
> rules permit winning in this way.

Why not?  The self-deleting text in the briefly-existing Rule 3586 will
declare Studge to win the Cycle; Rule 600 will look at this and note that
it is part of the Rules, and reinterpret it to mean that Studge has
achieved a Winning Condition.

And I think game custom would hold that it is also possible to gain a
Winning Condition even just as part of a one-time effect in a Proposal
which never becomes part of a Rule.  Although it is an interesting
question--is such a thing actually "described in the Rules"?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Ann Mortifee:Baptism
Current Book--Terry Pratchett:Men At Arms
Constant change is here to stay.

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:15:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3586 rejected

On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
>> I offer this as evidence that anti-voting is not the core of the
>> problem that the anti-anti-voters were attempting to address.
>
>Hear, hear.  

Having now played without anti voting for a bit, I honestly haven't seen
any real difference at all between how it was played before and how it's
played now.. (IE I suspect Anathema would have posted the above regardless
of whether we had anti-voting or not).

- --JT, still opposed to anti-voting :)

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:00:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ack (Nominations)

On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:
>I seem to have already fallen somewhat behind on my duties, and I offer
>my apologies.    I also offer my apologies specifically to JT, for
>having to call a nomination I should have called.

Umm I did?  The president is responsible for nominations for functional
offices, so I thought it was my job to do it :) Since the only nomination
I called for was for General Contractor, and it's a functional office, you
owe me no apologies :)

>Incidentally, where can I find a list of Grey Council members?  I know I
>can do it by checking the P/E page, I was just wondering if there was a
>more concise version.

I think that's the only place.  

- --JT

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:01:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Head Apollo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3586 rejected

>>>> Proposal 3586 - Sat 12 Sep 1998 11:21 EDT
>>>> Let's see if this works...
>>>> Studge (Tom Mueller)
>>>>
>>>> This is a Modest Proposal.
>>>>
>>>> {{Studge wins the current cycle of Ackanomic.}}
>>
>>> What is wrong with you Ackans?! This almost passed!
>>> --Anathema
>
>I offer this as evidence that anti-voting is not the core of the
>problem that the anti-anti-voters were attempting to address.
>
>breadbox
>

Actually, I anti-voted on this. Out of principle.

Eris

(Finally, some discordianism.)

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:06:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Ack (Nominations)

Ah, yes, I see that now.  Maybe I should read the rules or something.
Well then, I... uh, I apologize for not calling a nomination that I
shouldn't have called!  HA!

I give A$1 to the Twits.

Fortunato

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	JT [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Thursday, September 24, 1998 1:01 PM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Re: Acka: Ack (Nominations)
>
>On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:
>>I seem to have already fallen somewhat behind on my duties, and I offer
>>my apologies.    I also offer my apologies specifically to JT, for
>>having to call a nomination I should have called.
>
>Umm I did?  The president is responsible for nominations for functional
>offices, so I thought it was my job to do it :) Since the only nomination
>I called for was for General Contractor, and it's a functional office, you
>owe me no apologies :)
>
>

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:03:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ack (Nominations)

On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, JT wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:
> >I seem to have already fallen somewhat behind on my duties, and I offer
> >my apologies.    I also offer my apologies specifically to JT, for
> >having to call a nomination I should have called.
> 
> Umm I did?  The president is responsible for nominations for functional
> offices, so I thought it was my job to do it :) Since the only nomination
> I called for was for General Contractor, and it's a functional office, you
> owe me no apologies :)
> 
> >Incidentally, where can I find a list of Grey Council members?  I know I
> >can do it by checking the P/E page, I was just wondering if there was a
> >more concise version.
> 
> I think that's the only place.  

Ummm - what about the List of Officers and Holders of Unique Entities:

http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/Nomic/Acka/players/offices.html

It is accessible from the Players section of my webpages, just like the
P/E page is.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:07:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Ack (Nominations)

So it is.  I noticed that else..if and Fo are listed as the Religious
council members.  Shouldn't it be Wild Card and Fo?

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Duncan Richer [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Thursday, September 24, 1998 2:03 PM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Re: Acka: Ack (Nominations)
>
>
>Ummm - what about the List of Officers and Holders of Unique Entities:
>
>http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/Nomic/Acka/players/offices.html
>
>It is accessible from the Players section of my webpages, just like the
>P/E page is.
>
>-- 
>Duncan C. "" Richer aka
>Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
>Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
>Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator
>

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:07:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ack (Nominations)

On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
>> I think that's the only place.  
>
>Ummm - what about the List of Officers and Holders of Unique Entities:

Umm.. oh.. yeah.. There too :) (honestly had forgotten about that page)

- --JT

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:14:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Ack (Nominations)

On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:

> So it is.  I noticed that else..if and Fo are listed as the Religious
> council members.  Shouldn't it be Wild Card and Fo?

D'oh!  I haven't fixed that up.
Try the archive
(replace offices.html with archive.html)

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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