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acka-research-digest     Thursday, August 20 1998     Volume 03 : Number 194

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:25:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3452

At 04:49 20/08/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Proposal 3452
>Let\222s try this one again.
>Publius (Brandon Ray)
[...]
>5.  The author of this proposal shall receive no points if it is
>accepted.

This bit won't work I don't believe. It will get put into a rule and then
"this proposal" will be a meaningless reference. As it happens, you've
acknowledged that this text will be part of a rule in part 6.

>6.  This Rule takes precedence over all other Rules.}}

MTM.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:49:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3413 rejected

> Results of Proposal 3413
> 
> 18/26 votes: Quorum achieved
> 8/16 YES votes: Proposal rejected

> > {{[It should be permissible for both expensive and old trinkets to be
> > Majik, IMIUHO]}}

BTW, I voted against this proposal because magiks are a holdover from the
days of the sinister aliens rule, and I feel they are one of those things
which requires some minimal amount of work for no real benefit, and they
should be repealed, with all existing magiks turned into trinkets.

/dev/joe

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:25:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 643 (INVALID)

> Now, was the fact that it was still possible to vote while
> muppetlabs was down clearly expressed in the public forum?  I would
> have to say that no, it was not.  Mind you, I'm not going to slog
> through the email archives on this, I'm rendering an INVALID
> judgement, after all, but I can recall no general anouncement to
> this effect, and clearly some players were confused.

This is true. No general announcement was made. We've had so damned
many mishaps this summer that I quite forgot the newer players didn't
already "know the drill". My apologies to everyone who did not vote
during that weekend because they thought that they couldn't.

I will take Vynd's gentle recommendation to heart, and will be more
careful in the future to make sure everyone is aware of the full
ramifications of any outages or other technical failures.

breadbox

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:50:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3422 accepted

> Proposal 3422 - Thu 13 Aug 1998 12:59 EDT
> Still another Eleusis Fix
> JT (JT Traub)
> 
> This is a modest proposal.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Amend section 8 by inserting the words 'or leaves the game' after
> the first occurance of 'When a player goes inactive' and between the
> words 'inactive' and 'without' in the phrase 'If a player goes
> inactive without appointing a substitute'.
> 
> [...]

This part of the proposal has no effect, since the phrases quoted
don't appear anywhere in the rule (as of Proposal 3383).

breadbox

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:55:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3422 accepted

On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:
>> the first occurance of 'When a player goes inactive' and between the
>> words 'inactive' and 'without' in the phrase 'If a player goes
>> inactive without appointing a substitute'.
>> 
>> [...]
>
>This part of the proposal has no effect, since the phrases quoted
>don't appear anywhere in the rule (as of Proposal 3383).

Grr.. K 2, please be more careful with global replacements :/

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:22:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Niccolo Flychuck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3462

On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, nomicbot wrote:

> Proposal 3462
> Dancing With Danger
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> [Aim of this proposal: to make the use of Tammany interesting.  Currently
> Tammany only makes one vote per proposal, at most.  The main gist of this
> proposal is to change that to one vote for each bribing player.  However,
> all votes are cast for the winning side, which makes for an interesting
> game. ]

We already have Bonus Votes whcih count one per player up to a maximum
four per proposal.
I don't think it's a good idea to let tammany cast multiple votes.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:30:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Conversion

This fails. P3389 swapped point conversion for otzma creation.

Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> I convert two of my Swingpoints into points.
>

so this won't work yet....?

> Happy!  Happy!  Happy!
>
>
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
> Song In My Head--Theme From The Simpsons
> Current Book--Dean R. Koontz:Cold Fire
> Excuse me while I dance a little jig of despair.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:39:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Conversion

>This fails. P3389 swapped point conversion for otzma creation.

What, me actually find out how the Rules have changed in the last few
months?  I give A$1 to the Twits, and another A$ to They Might Be
Slumbering Giants.

>so this won't work yet....?

>> Happy!  Happy!  Happy!

Probably not.  I'm just annoyed because, had I calculated the scores
after Tuesday night's(?) small batch of Proposals, I had 105 points
then, but I didn't realize this until another batch was already out.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page:http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/)
Current Album--King Crimson:Three of A Perfect Pair
Current Book--Dean R. Koontz:Cold Fire
I'm tolerant of your fruitcake-like beliefs.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:40:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Org Actions

AVPP's failed to change its membership policy  to Quasi-Open; remember
its a Bad Idea to have a political party with an Open Membership....

Thinman became a member of TMBSG on 12/8.
TMBSG failed to change its policy to single player.

MetaMorph succeeded in appointing JM swinger but since e was already the
swinger, it didn't really matter :)

K 2

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:40:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3383 accepted

Brian Raiter wrote:

> > Proposal 3383 - Fri 07 Aug 1998 02:41 EDT

> > Replace all occurrences of "become Inactive" and "become inactive" with
> > "gone on Vacation"
>
> Replace all occurrences IN THE RULES. You need to specify this! There
> are all kinds of Ackanomic documents, and proposals are the only ones
> that are specifically prohibited from being modified. CFJs and CFCJs
> remain actively recognized documents, for example, and there is
> precedent for them being modifiable at any time (cf the Spelling
> Bee).
>
> Whether anything besides the rules get modified or not, I'll leave up
> to the harfers concerned....

Since it prolly is the case that various other documents have been modified,
perhaps something along the following lines would be appropriate as a CSR :All
Ackanomic documents, except the rules, that were amended by Proposal 3383 are
modified so as to be identical to their state prior to Proposal 3383's
modification and all amendments applied subsequent to Proposal 3383 are reapplied
in order.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:46:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3422 accepted

JT wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:
> >> the first occurance of 'When a player goes inactive' and between the
> >> words 'inactive' and 'without' in the phrase 'If a player goes
> >> inactive without appointing a substitute'.
> >>
> >> [...]
> >
> >This part of the proposal has no effect, since the phrases quoted
> >don't appear anywhere in the rule (as of Proposal 3383).
>
> Grr.. K 2, please be more careful with global replacements :/
>

Replacement of that phrase would have been an effect of P3383 with or without a
global replace.

K 2

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