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acka-research-digest       Friday, May 15 1998       Volume 03 : Number 102

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:05:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Astro" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Eurovision

>> I create a trinket with name "Eurovision" and description as delimited by
>> the following delimiter:
>> the following delimiter:
>> The Eurovision is an international song contest.
>> the following delimiter:
>>
>> I offer to pay TGW A$100 if e will watch Eurovision.
>>
>This doesn't work.
>
>A) This is acka-research.
Deliberate
>B) You haven't specified a value...
Oops.

TGW, take note. My offer doesn't stand.

Astro
Give me an example of a sentence that has the word "Umbrella" in it, but
would be just as interesting if that word were replaced by any other one.

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:05:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Astro" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: ackanomic.org

A .org domain name costs RL$70 to ack-wire. Why not use ackanomic.ml.org?
You get those for free at www.ml.org.

Astro
If I had enough imagination, I would have written a tagline at the end of my
message.

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:05:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Astro" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hose?

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:05:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Astro" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Nations

Due to the proposal repealing Rule 1060, I think it should be stated that
the reason why it didn't work was that every nomic is in a completely
different world, and things like the shape of the earth, gravity and laws of
physics are different from nomic to nomic. (As if the fact that they can
change from time to time is not bad enough 8-)). However, if Acka were to
break
up into nations, each one having its own laws about property and such, and
residing in a different part of the earth, but the physics laws were kept as
international laws (and maybe improved) then the game could be much more
interesting...
But much much more complex.
Tell me your opinions about a new player shamelessly throwing bad ideas into
old players' heads, and maybe something good will accidentally come out of
this posting.

Astro
who has sent three acka-messages and cannot think up a fourth^H^H^H^H^Hirst
_good_ tagline.

P.S. I was going to wait until things quiet down a little before posting
this, but humans have a life span of only ~80 yrs and I hae used up 15
already. 8-)

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:25:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3060

On Thu, 14 May 1998, Eric Plumb wrote:

> On Wed, 13 May 1998, nomicbot wrote:
> 
> > Proposal 3060
> > Providing a True Benefyt
> > Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> I really like the idea of the Jester's special move.  The Pawn's, however,
> would make Promotions far easier and make having control of the center two
> ranks and files much more important, as an unopposed Swinger could
> theoretically Promote a Pawn within two turns of Placing it.  I'm not
> necessarily against this, but you might want to put them in separate
> Proposals.  

Yes, but given the scarcity of Benefyts, I think that taking two turns to
promote a pawn is a reasonable trade off for the loss of one Benefyt.
This may also lead to increased interest in the centre of the board as
people set up pieces in order to prevent promotions from having any
significant effect.

> Oh, and thank you for finally beginning the retitling of the PCPDef Rules,
> too.
> 
> While we're on the subject of Special Moves, I was thinking that the
> Bishop (and perhaps the Cantor) might be allowed a move in an orthogonal
> direction as a Special.  Since the Rook has one that basically combines
> two moves into one, these two pieces (and any others that move strictly
> diagonally -- I can't think of any offhand) might be allowed to switch
> parities if they wish.  For the Bishop, at least, I would suggest "from
> one to seven squares in a horizontal or diagonal direction."

There wouldn't be any need to say diagonal, as the standard move of course
covers that.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 05:44:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: ackanomic.org

On Fri, 15 May 1998, Astro wrote:

> A .org domain name costs RL$70 to ack-wire. Why not use ackanomic.ml.org?
> You get those for free at www.ml.org.

Boy, wouldn't THAT be special?

Besides, $70 isn't much.

> 
> Astro
> If I had enough imagination, I would have written a tagline at the end of my
> message.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:06:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3060

On Thu, 14 May 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> This may also lead to increased interest in the centre of the board as
> people set up pieces in order to prevent promotions from having any
> significant effect.

Yeah, I actually like that idea, but I'm not sure about your way of going
about it.  I voted for the Proposal, though, because I really like the
Jester's move.

> > parities if they wish.  For the Bishop, at least, I would suggest "from
> > one to seven squares in a horizontal or diagonal direction."
> 
> There wouldn't be any need to say diagonal, as the standard move of course
> covers that.

Um, would you believe I misspelld "vertical?"  That was what I intended.

- -Hubert

This is the null .sig.

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:16:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hose?

Astro schrieb:

> [6K of spam quoted]

> Can I Hose 144tt4?
>
> Astro
> cAPS lOCK IS GETTING TO ME!

You should ponder hosing yourself... 144tt4 isn't even a
player, but you are - and you quoted all of the spam...
JMB

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:35:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3060

> "4. A Jester has a Special Move, which consists of moving to any square on
> the board, such that the Jester is not attacking any pieces after the
> Special Move has been made. [The mysterious Jester - where will it hop to
> next?]"

I like it, but the wording doesn't cover indirect attacks, e.g. via gesses or
tornados, yet. The pawn idea is also fine. But for the bishop I'd like a
special move rather like the rook's: one square orthogonal and up to five
squares diagonal. Btw, I don't think the 45-degree-condition is needed
for the rook, since the 135-degree moves are already included in the
standard and 45-degree moves.

On loyalists and castling: I see a possibility of castling as the special move

of the king - friendly piece on SQn is moved to SQ1, king is moved to
SQ2, provided neither piece is currently attacked. Loyalists would be
obsolete then. Just as an idea...

J. M. Bear

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:10:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Nations

Astro schrieb:

> [...] However, if Acka were to break
> up into nations, each one having its own laws about property and such, and
> residing in a different part of the earth, but the physics laws were kept as
> international laws (and maybe improved) then the game could be much more
> interesting...
> But much much more complex.
> Tell me your opinions about a new player shamelessly throwing bad ideas into
> old players' heads, and maybe something good will accidentally come out of
> this posting.
>
> Astro

I don't know if this will work peacefully. We currently already have moons
in our ruleset, and trading limits that you can only trade with players on the
same celestial body. We also have the option of the full moon, which can
keep people from travelling to moons.

Question aside: Who has been to a moon yet? And how does that engine
work?ABAB CDCD EEG FFG?

If you want nations on Acka itself, I'm rather pessimistic - you might get
two nations to work, maybe three, but I guess there's a large risk of
instability, and I wouldn't like the Acka nation I'm in to collapse.

J. M. Bear

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:16:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Raquel Peres da Silva" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3009 rejected

> You missed a great opportunity to make me laugh, Ayla.

? <puzzled look>

Ayla
Priestess of the Order of the Razor Boomerangs
Priestess of the Church of the Evil Ballot Stuffer

Law of Cat Magnetism: All blue blazers and black sweaters attract cat hair
in direct proportion to the darkness of the fabric.

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:25:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CotC-ness

CFJ 588 - I just sent the vedict (well not just... but I have :)
I think JT called for an election on the AR-F seat which is currently
political.
The elction results for AR-P are about due....

Tom Walmsley wrote:

> I believe I'm up to date with my CotC duties now (except for my web pages)
> but could well be wrong. If anyone has spotted anything that I've not done
> then please let me know (Slakko the ever vigilant for example) since I know
> I'm prone to making mistakes. Things should start improving soon as I have
> the last in a string of mock exams tomorrow. True, it's not long 'till my
> real things now but I hope to get fully up to date on everything in the
> interim. Again, I apologise.
>
> TGW, CotC.

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:25:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3009 rejected

Raquel Peres da Silva schrieb:

> > You missed a great opportunity to make me laugh, Ayla.
>
> ? <puzzled look>
>
> Ayla

If you had voted against that proposal...
JMB

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:25:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Approving

All Aproved!
It Happens! 14 May 1998 17:58:58
Welcome to Metamorph Pandora.

Tom Walmsley wrote:

> As founder of the church of the good ballot stuffer, I suggest that we
> approve the suggestion of Pandora becoming a member of Metamorph. And so it
> happens.
>
> TGW

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:13:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3009 rejected

On Fri, 15 May 1998, Raquel Peres da Silva wrote:

>> You missed a great opportunity to make me laugh, Ayla.
>
>? <puzzled look>
>

Had you voted no on this particular proposal it would have been REALLY
funny :)

- --JT

[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to sieze the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:07:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Astro" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Pangrams

>This treasure will be found when TGW says that it has been. It should be
>found with respect to the creation of a minimalist sequential pangram; that
>it is a sentence containing all the letters of the alphabet in order whilst
>being as short as possible.
>
>- -----
>
>I haven't decided exactly when it will be found but if you find any decent
>ones then send them to me. All words used must be proper words and it must
>make grammatical sense, even if it is totally ridiculous. To give you a
rough
>aim of what to go for, I'd say anything below 45 letters is a good start,
but
>with a bit of fine tuning you should be able to go below 40.

Objection, your honour. I don't think it is possible to make a _sequential_
pangram with so few letters: That would mean inserting only fourteen letters
into the string ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ.
And does that include spaces? If not, I'm way better than I thought. (But
the previous paragraph still stands, although it starts shaking).

Astro
Who is having trouble typing a different tagline every time e sends a
message.

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:40:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Re: Pangrams

> Objection, your honour. I don't think it is possible to make a _sequential_
> pangram with so few letters: That would mean inserting only fourteen
letters
> into the string ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ.
> And does that include spaces? If not, I'm way better than I thought. (But
> the previous paragraph still stands, although it starts shaking).

It is not a necessity to get below 40, it's just about what I think a good
target would be. I don't think it's too unrealistic a target. As any scrabble
player knows there are an awful lot of obscure words that can be useful in
situations like this.

And I'm sorry that this discriminates against those for whom English is not
their first language but I was trying to make something that wouldn't be
impregnable to the none mathematicians. Not that that means /dev/joe won't
win it anyway :-).

TGW.

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:31:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: ASS reform RFC

Hmmm... I suppose I might as well try it.

I've been thinking about doing some serious, uh, cosmetic restructuring
on the ASS, as it were.  What I had in mind was doing away with the fee to
play Mundane songs (simply requiring a player to be in the Library to play
them) and introducing a Price for each Esoteric Song, i.e., an amount of
money, proportional to the severity of the Song's game effect, that a
player in the Library may place into the slot and play that Song until its
Duration runs out or a new Esoteric Song is played.  Part of this is a
question about the Office of DeeJay: should e be required to track Mundane
songs even when players don't have to pay for them?  I see no reason why e
should.  I suppose it can be left up to eir discretion.

The other change I was considering making was introducing Jukebox Credits
or some similar entity, which players would receive for successfully
adding Songs to the ASS Rule Suite, and which they could use to start
any Esoteric Song playing.

The reasons for these changes are basically that a) people don't seem to
be playing many Mundane songs, myself included, and b) Esoteric Songs
aren't coming up that often.  Although Chess Piece Face has been played
quite a bit recently... (poke, Alfvaen).

Anyway, please let me know what you beings think.  (I'll count myself
lucky if I get but one response to this...)  Oh, and how about any player
who visits *that* room in the Library is irresistibly drawn also to the
control panel, where e must play a Mundane Song?  Just to start the
turnover a little...

- -Hubert

I poured Spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone. 

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:47:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: ASS reform RFC

On Fri, 15 May 1998, Eric Plumb wrote:

> 
> Hmmm... I suppose I might as well try it.
> 
> I've been thinking about doing some serious, uh, cosmetic restructuring
> on the ASS, as it were.  What I had in mind was doing away with the fee to
> play Mundane songs (simply requiring a player to be in the Library to play
> them) and introducing a Price for each Esoteric Song, i.e., an amount of
> money, proportional to the severity of the Song's game effect, that a
> player in the Library may place into the slot and play that Song until its
> Duration runs out or a new Esoteric Song is played.  Part of this is a
> question about the Office of DeeJay: should e be required to track Mundane
> songs even when players don't have to pay for them?  I see no reason why e
> should.  I suppose it can be left up to eir discretion.

If this is the case, we can have Esoteric songs which cause useful
effects.  Should make things interesting.

> The other change I was considering making was introducing Jukebox Credits
> or some similar entity, which players would receive for successfully
> adding Songs to the ASS Rule Suite, and which they could use to start
> any Esoteric Song playing.

I think we have enough types of score entities in the game as it is.  If
you can swing to the rhythm, though ... :-)

> The reasons for these changes are basically that a) people don't seem to
> be playing many Mundane songs, myself included, and b) Esoteric Songs
> aren't coming up that often.  Although Chess Piece Face has been played
> quite a bit recently... (poke, Alfvaen).

SYNTAX ERROR

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:56:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3065

> Proposal 3065
> On Both Your Houses
> Hubert (Eric Plumb)

> [ Having RFCed this to resounding silence, I thought I'd put it to the
> acid test already.  You know, full speed ahead, both feet forward, take
> the bull by the horns and damn the torpedoes.  I would also like to point
> out that since this is going to amend Rule 207, no anti-voting points
> will be scored due to the Potato Paradox.  So there's no reason to
> anti-vote NO. ]

Did this get attached to the right Proposal?  Because the rest of this
Proposal doesn't mention Rule 207 at all.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Alannah Myles:Arival
Current Book--Michael Coney:Cat Karina
The lottery is just a tax on people who are bad at math.

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:00:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3067

> Proposal 3067
> Jeeves
> The Gingham Wearer (Tom Walmsley)

Should this contain the legend

"Warning: Contains 'rime'"

?

> "This duty is even more taxing to the Butler, however, and after it has
> finished performing it it must rest and recharge itself for longer. The
> butler may then not be used until a period of rime equal to twice the time it
> was performing this duty has passed."

It is past time that the Processing Chip was removed from that Blueprint.
I just never got around to it, myself.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Alannah Myles:Arival
Current Book--Michael Coney:Cat Karina
'It almost seemed as if it were a sort of thing,' she said.

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