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acka-research-digest       Tuesday, May 12 1998       Volume 03 : Number 099

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:42:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2973 accepted

At least there was a good word in there somewhere:)
I do not contest /dev/joe's comments.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Mon, 11 May 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> snowgod has his share of buggy proposals, but Niccolo Flychuck might be
> the real master of buggy proposals.  How doyou think he ended up
> retracting 46 proposals?  (I was surprised myself to find out it was
> only 46. :-} )  He has had a good number of proposals which passed which
> had some vital word missing, and a couple instances of amending the
> wrong thing.  He'sgood with homonyms, but has trouble spelling amend,
> refer, announce, and a couple other words.
> 
> /dev/joe
> 
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> 

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:48:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3025

I think this is an instance of a retroactive identifier.
A retroactive identifier[I'm not sure identifier is precise here]
would like adding the word acoustic to a guitar because nowadays we have
other kinds of guitars where in the past it was sufficient to say guitar.
Or like adding'analog' to 'watch' something which unnecessary before there
any other kind of watch. I think originally there was only the slash, and
with thesidespread addition of the reverse kind of slash the \ got the
name back-slah, and the original slash got the retroactive identifier of
forward-slash.

One could also give a visual interpretation. If you read from left to
right then the forward slash could remind one of someone leaning forward,
and the back slash of someone leaning backwards. But I prefer my former
explanation.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Mon, 11 May 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> > > Le traffic warden est encore mort, vive le traffic/
> 
> <SNIP>
> 
> > AtP: You wanted a *backward* slash there, not a forward slash. Sorry.
> 
> Can someone please explain to me why / is a forward slash and \ a backslash?
> It would seem logical to me that forward was going to the right and backwards
> was going to the left. Since western cultures read and write from the top
> then surely / goes backwards? Why is this?
> 
> TGW, curious.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:58:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: GAD: The Green Round (1)

This is an acceptable first move. One other player so far has removed em self,
but you wont know who until the rond ends ;)

K 2

Uri Bruck wrote:

> IS it too late to say that I don't want to play GAD?
> I'd like to stopplaying GAD

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:27:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ice

The only reason I knew was I was waiting for e to get back to start GAD :)

I in tend to include vacation dates on the pe page but this will require some
changes to the script that handles that - this weekend maybe :)

Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> Thanks to K 2 for reminding me(see, I left all my notes in the entitylog--
> what will I do now that I'm no longer Financier?)--Guy Fawkes went On Ice
> May 9 at midnight EDT.
>
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
> Current Album--REM:Automatic For The People
> Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
> Slip me some more of that crimson, Jimson.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:27:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (Orgs)

> I thought I joined TMBSG back in March.

I had thought so too, but neither the pe page nor org page I inherited from
slakko said so... so I checked. The mebership application failed by about 1
vote.

>
>
> /dev/joe

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:27:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (Orgs)

 Matt Miller wrote:

> Bad me!

Indeed :) I point criptically at the mailing list this was sent to, then at
rule 422 p4, then at the postal code, then at each and every member of odo.

K 2

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:28:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (Orgs)

> I thought I joined TMBSG back in March.

I had thought so too, but neither the pe page nor org page I inherited
from
slakko said so... so I checked. The mebership application failed by
about 1
vote.

>
>
> /dev/joe

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:29:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (Orgs)

Matt Miller wrote:

> Bad me!

Indeed :) I point criptically at the mailing list this was sent to, then
at
rule 422 p4, then at the postal code, then at each and every member of
odo.

K 2

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:29:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (Orgs)

> I thought I joined TMBSG back in March.

I had thought so too, but neither the pe page nor org page I inherited
from
slakko said so... so I checked. The mebership application failed by
about 1
vote.

>
>
> /dev/joe

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:29:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ice

The only reason I knew was I was waiting for e to get back to start GAD
:)

I in tend to include vacation dates on the pe page but this will require
some
changes to the script that handles that - this weekend maybe :)

Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> Thanks to K 2 for reminding me(see, I left all my notes in the entitylog--
> what will I do now that I'm no longer Financier?)--Guy Fawkes went On Ice
> May 9 at midnight EDT.
>
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
> Current Album--REM:Automatic For The People
> Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
> Slip me some more of that crimson, Jimson.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:30:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fin: AR-F (2)

I've submitted a prop to fix this, in the mean time if a certain player
where to
insit on an election for it, where to nominate and be voted in......

Towsner wrote:

> >There is an optional office known as the Financial Communitie's Member of the
> >Ackan Reserve, or AR-F.
> >If the rules fail to specify the type of an office, that office is a Political
> >Office.
> >Nope
>         May I suggest that, in light of the same proposal's statement that
> the office be tranfered to the treasury, it be taken as an unambiguous
> error? Please?
>
> --
> -Henry Towsner
>
>         <[email-masked]>
>
>         Success is the child of audacity.
>                 -Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:24:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (L'homme a tete de choux)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3025

TGW asked:
> Can someone please explain to me why / is a forward slash and \ a backslash?
> It would seem logical to me that forward was going to the right and backwards
> was going to the left. Since western cultures read and write from the top
> then surely / goes backwards? Why is this?

/dev/joe replied:
>Now, you ask, why did we write fractions that way?  Clearly, it is
>because we typically read fractions starting with the numerator
>(from the top, again) and the / allows the first number (left to right)
>to be "above" the fraction bar.

As well as reading top to bottom, us westerners read left to right, so top left
comes before bottom right, which is why (as I understand it) we accept the
numerator as "above" the denominator in fractions written this way,. and the
idea that the slash is forward.

Pandora

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:41:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (L'homme a tete de choux)
Subject: Re: Acka: Another Bracket Pedantry Hearing

>The BPH page supports this - TGW has learned eir lesson (tho not too well it
>would appear ;) - so the hearing was impossible to call.

Bah! I must protest most strongly that I *don't* lose any points as a result of
this hearing being invalid. It is quite disgraceful that a new player should be
expected to know whether or not another player has learned their lesson if that
information is not detailed clearly in the appropriate document, not that I'm
criticising Alfvaen, who as he has previously said has a lot on his plate, and
really it is all TGW's fault for persisting in this foolish behaviour even
though he has supposedly learnt his lesson.

Pandora

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:08:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Another Bracket Pedantry Hearing

L'homme a tete de choux wrote:

> >The BPH page supports this - TGW has learned eir lesson (tho not too well it
> >would appear ;) - so the hearing was impossible to call.
>
> Bah! I must protest most strongly that I *don't* lose any points as a result of
> this hearing being invalid. It is quite disgraceful that a new player should be
> expected to know whether or not another player has learned their lesson if that
> information is not detailed clearly in the appropriate document, not that I'm
> criticising Alfvaen, who as he has previously said has a lot on his plate, and
> really it is all TGW's fault for persisting in this foolish behaviour even
> though he has supposedly learnt his lesson.

here here, (:such behaviour is clearly intolerable :)

K 2

>
>
> Pandora

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:10:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fin: AR-F (2)

On Tue, 12 May 1998, K2 wrote:

>I've submitted a prop to fix this, in the mean time if a certain player
>where to
>insit on an election for it, where to nominate and be voted in......

I would like to insist upon an election being held for this office.
Thank you.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:17:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (L'homme a tete de choux)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2976 accepted

>I didn't understand the rules!  You keep changing the rules!  You never
>told me about that rule!

You didn't understand the rules? *YOU* didn't understand the rules???? Well,
like *I* have a chance! This is most patently unfair. How was I supposed to
know that was going to happen? The Rules are quite clearly just one big
conspiracy designed to confuse me, and by Jove, it's working. I'm extremely
confused, and you're all horrible nasty people. It's not fair.

Pandora

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:08:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sunflare <[email-masked]>
Subject: Question Forty-Two ;)

Hmm.  I see Nomicbot is back up and running, which certainly makes everyone's
life a good bit easier.  It also gives me inspiration for yet another annoying
question. ;)

Do you think that automation, such as the Nomicbot, is a good thing?  If so,
do you think it could be applied to government in the Real World?  Not
directly,
obviously, because we don't have a completely democratic voting situation in
any place in the world (that I know of, at least), and to some extent it
already
IS in place when it comes to voting, but what about other applications in
government?

Expect replies this time -- I've actually made time to read all the messages
on this amazingly large mailing list. ;)

Sunflare

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:18:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2992 accepted

> Proposal 2992 - Tue 05 May 1998 16:21 EDT
> Minor mentoring Fix
> JT (JT Traub)
> 
> Replace this OLD delimited sentance
> OLD
> Any Acting player may place emself in the mentor pool or remove emself
> therefrom.
> OLD
> with the following NEW delimited sentances
> NEW
> Any Active player may place emself in the mentor pool or remove emself
> therefrom by notifying the Registrar. This notification may be done
> privately.
> NEW

As far as I can tell, this is a Null Proposal.

breadbox

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:21:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2993 rejected

 Why the no-vote?

 It's even harfy!

 H*bert.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:27:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2992 accepted

On Tue, 12 May 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

>> Proposal 2992 - Tue 05 May 1998 16:21 EDT
>> Minor mentoring Fix
>> JT (JT Traub)
>> 
>> Replace this OLD delimited sentance
>> OLD
>> Any Acting player may place emself in the mentor pool or remove emself
>> therefrom.
>> OLD
>> with the following NEW delimited sentances
>> NEW
>> Any Active player may place emself in the mentor pool or remove emself
>> therefrom by notifying the Registrar. This notification may be done
>> privately.
>> NEW
>
>As far as I can tell, this is a Null Proposal.
>

Howso?
According to rule 207, VI, it is only Null if it doesn't generate at least
one effect as listed under rule 104

Rule 104 states
If a proposal is accepted, one of two things happen. If the proposal
consisted of a list of one-time effects, such as changes to the rules,
then those effects shall be applied, one at a time, in the order in which
they appear in the proposal. (Ambiguous, retroactive, and/or meaningless
effects are ignored.)

This proposal most certainly makes a change to a rule and does so only
one time, therefore it had an effect as defined under Rule 104.

- --JT
(if necessary, I will CFJ this)

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:33:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2992 accepted

>>> Proposal 2992 - Tue 05 May 1998 16:21 EDT
>>> Minor mentoring Fix
>>> JT (JT Traub)
>>> 
>>> Replace this OLD delimited sentance
>>> OLD
>>> Any Acting player may place emself in the mentor pool or remove emself
>>> therefrom.
>>> OLD
>>> with the following NEW delimited sentances
>>> NEW
>>> Any Active player may place emself in the mentor pool or remove emself
>>> therefrom by notifying the Registrar. This notification may be done
>>> privately.
>>> NEW
>>
>> As far as I can tell, this is a Null Proposal.
> 
> Howso?
> According to rule 207, VI, it is only Null if it doesn't generate at least
> one effect as listed under rule 104
> 
> Rule 104 states
> If a proposal is accepted, one of two things happen. If the proposal
> consisted of a list of one-time effects, such as changes to the rules,
> then those effects shall be applied, one at a time, in the order in which
> they appear in the proposal. (Ambiguous, retroactive, and/or meaningless
> effects are ignored.)

Rule 104 also states that "Ambiguous, retroactive, and/or meaningless
effects are ignored".

This effect is ambiguous. It does not say where the sentence to be
changed is to be found. Game custom would dictate that it should
change that sentence itself - i.e., right there in the proposal.
However, Rule 104 now prohibits this. So my best guess is that it is
attempting to do something which fails, thus it has no effect.

> (if necessary, I will CFJ this)

I am more than happy to listen to counterarguments. (I don't enjoy
having to constantly make these kinds of unilateral judgement calls as
Rule-Harfer.) But any arguments must be consistent with the rules and
existing game custom.

breadbox

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:46:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2992 accepted

On Tue, 12 May 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:
[previous stuff snipped for brevity]
>
>This effect is ambiguous. It does not say where the sentence to be
>changed is to be found. Game custom would dictate that it should
>change that sentence itself - i.e., right there in the proposal.
>However, Rule 104 now prohibits this. So my best guess is that it is
>attempting to do something which fails, thus it has no effect.

Bleah.. I *thought* the rule was stated in the proposal, apparently it
wasn't.

>I am more than happy to listen to counterarguments. (I don't enjoy
>having to constantly make these kinds of unilateral judgement calls as
>Rule-Harfer.) But any arguments must be consistent with the rules and
>existing game custom.

Well, since intent isn't part of game custom nor the rules, I suppose
I will merely resubmit this one more time.. (yeesh).

*sigh*

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:02:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3037

On Tue, 12 May 1998, nomicbot wrote:

> Proposal 3037
> Medium Rare
> K 2 (Kelly Kelly)
> 
> This is a Modest Proposal.
> 
> Create a rule numbered 920, titled "Outcast, and Rightly So!", with
> the text:
> 
> When a streak of nine proposals is followed by a rejected proposal all
> hell will break lose, the sky shall rain fire, and earth shall be rent
> with gigantic chasms.

As harfy as this is, K 2 (and believe me, it is) I think this would hapen
upon any rejected proposal.  Check your wording again...

Or perhaps that was your intent, in which case it's doubly harfy. ;-)

- -Hubert

So many pedestrians, so little time.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:00:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Question Forty-Two ;)

>Do you think that automation, such as the Nomicbot, is a good thing?  If so,
	Absolutely.  What possible problem could there be?  I can't think
of any disadvantages, and it takes some of breadbox's workload.

>do you think it could be applied to government in the Real World?  Not
>directly,
>obviously, because we don't have a completely democratic voting situation in
>any place in the world (that I know of, at least), and to some extent it
>already
>IS in place when it comes to voting, but what about other applications in
>government?
	As much as possible.  In my opinion, proper automation is faster,
cheaper, and more accurate than human labor for most purposes.

- --
- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:03:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3055

On Tue, 12 May 1998, nomicbot wrote:
>Proposal 3055
>Put the left action in
>else...if (Henry Towsner)
>
>Add the following before the last paragraph of rule 534: "
>	The AREB may add and remove actions.  If two members of the AREB
>publicly specify the same alteration to the list of actions then that
>change will occur.  The specification must include whether it is an
>addition or a removal, and what event will become classified or cease to be
>classified as an action.  When the alteration occurs the list of actions in
>rule 530 will be changed appropriately.

Hrmmm.. Let's see.. This could be seriously fun.. (let's assume A and B
are two seats on the AREB)

A suggests the AREB add the specific action of 'The AREB can
unilaterally amend the ruleset'.
B agrees.

the AREB now controls the game.. Ummm.  No.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:42:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3025

> I think this is an instance of a retroactive identifier.
> A retroactive identifier[I'm not sure identifier is precise here]

Specifier, perhaps?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stevie Nicks:Rock A Little
Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
Words are flying out like endless rain into a paper cup

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:42:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: (Orgs)

> > I thought I joined TMBSG back in March.

> I had thought so too, but neither the pe page nor org page I inherited from
> slakko said so... so I checked. The mebership application failed by about 1
> vote.

This I do specifically remember.  I guess I should have announced it or
something, but...well, there was a reason I wanted someone else to harf
orgs...:-/

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stevie Nicks:Rock A Little
Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
In the language of violence, death is a silence.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:42:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Another Bracket Pedantry Hearing

> Bah! I must protest most strongly that I *don't* lose any points as a
> result of this hearing being invalid.

I believe this is correct, and you _don't_ lose any points as a result of
that hearing being invalid.  As far as I can tell, there is no penalty for
calling an invalid hearing, apart from people sneering at you.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stevie Nicks:Rock A Little
Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
Throw that pumpkin at the tree, unless you think that pumpkin holds your destiny

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:00:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Luna

> Alfvaen:

> > Current Album--Luna:Pup Tent

> Is this any good?

I was listening to it from the library, after knowing nothing more about
it than having seen it appear for one week on the Fantasy Billboard
Heatseeker list.  I think it sounds okay, sort of a mixture of alternative
rock and country, though more alternative than Drivin 'N' Cryin'.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Alannah Myles:Arival
Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
Burn this post.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:08:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2976 accepted

> You didn't understand the rules? *YOU* didn't understand the rules???? Well,
> like *I* have a chance! This is most patently unfair. How was I supposed to
> know that was going to happen? The Rules are quite clearly just one big
> conspiracy designed to confuse me, and by Jove, it's working. I'm extremely
> confused, and you're all horrible nasty people. It's not fair.

Well, _you_ didn't lose any points for P2976.  So you _are_ extremely
confused.  :-)

Not to mention, as I should, that you've been a player for pretty much
exactly four weeks now, and so you've lost your "new" status...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stevie Nicks:Rock A Little
Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
Each of the supplicants was given his own licorice whip.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:19:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3043

> Amend Rule 1250.15, Spades, by inserting the sentence "However, e may not
> lead a spade unless a spade has been played to an earlier trick that round,
> or all the cards in eir hand are spades." after the text "playing any card
> from eir hand (called the card led)." in section 3.

Yes, this makes sense.  Hearts works like this as well.  It might make it
easier to misplay...:-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Alannah Myles:Arival
Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
Waltz, nymph, for quick jigs vex Bud.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:25:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2992 accepted

> > Proposal 2992 - Tue 05 May 1998 16:21 EDT
> > Minor mentoring Fix
> > JT (JT Traub)

> > Replace this OLD delimited sentance
> > OLD
> > Any Acting player may place emself in the mentor pool or remove emself
> > therefrom.
> > OLD
> > with the following NEW delimited sentances
> > NEW
> > Any Active player may place emself in the mentor pool or remove emself
> > therefrom by notifying the Registrar. This notification may be done
> > privately.
> > NEW

> As far as I can tell, this is a Null Proposal.

That depends.  Could it be considered unambiguous because that sentence
only appears once in the Rules?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Alannah Myles:Arival
Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
If this tagline were in Chinese, it would say something else.

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