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acka-research-digest      Sunday, April 26 1998      Volume 03 : Number 082

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:04:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2936

Ah a crime! Ah a crime! E was repeating emself. E was repeating emself.

K 2
CC
The Murrey Veil

Unless Pandora says e wants to be ruthlessly punished, I'm not going to
prosecute...

> > Proposal 2936
> > Herd mentality
> > Pandora (David Kenning)
>
> This Proposal is Substantially Similar to Proposal 2928, isn't it?
>
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
> Current Album--Rick Springfield:Greatest Hits
> Current Book--C.J. Cherryh:Chernevog
> I have nothing to allude to, and I am alluding to it.

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:13:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Stock Market RFC

On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Towsner wrote:

> Amend Rule 534 to read as delimited by MULTITUDES
> 
> MULTITUDES
> 
> There is a named, unownable, unique entity known as The Ackan Reserve.
> There is an optional functional office with one seat known as Chair of
> the Ackan Reserve, or AR-C.   There is an optional political office
> known as the People's Member of the Ackan Reserve, or AR-P.  There is
> an optional office known as the Financial Communitie's Member of the
> Ackan Reserve, or AR-F.  There are also six Appointed Members of the
> Ackan Reserve, known to be upstading citizens of Acka, however they do
> not vote on any Ackan Reserve business described in the rules. 
> {{[Presumably this includes Phoebe and so on.]}}

This last bit may be funny - but it could also be confusing for newbies.  

> The AR-C, AR-P, and
> AR-F, are collectively known as the Board of the Ackan Reserve, or ARB.
>  If a player has two offices which are on the ARB than one will be
> confiscated, either the AR-F, of the AR-P if they do not own the AR-F.
> 
> 
> The ARB is responsible for setting the P- and N-settings.  It may
> change them by any two members of the ARB publicly announcing which
> setting they want to change and a value greater than 0 and less than or
> equal to 1.

Would this be manipulation subject to legal action?
Or do they have some kind of immunity - as they do not affect the stock
prices, only how much the prices will fluctuate.

> {{The P-setting is set to 0.1.  The N-setting is set to 0.15.}}
Sounds good.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:15:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Stock Market RFC

>> Ackan Reserve, or AR-F.  There are also six Appointed Members of the
>> Ackan Reserve, known to be upstading citizens of Acka, however they do
>> not vote on any Ackan Reserve business described in the rules.
>> {{[Presumably this includes Phoebe and so on.]}}
>
>This last bit may be funny - but it could also be confusing for newbies.
	I'll clarify that.  I intend to refer to them anyway, so I might as
well make it official.

>> The ARB is responsible for setting the P- and N-settings.  It may
>> change them by any two members of the ARB publicly announcing which
>> setting they want to change and a value greater than 0 and less than or
>> equal to 1.
>
>Would this be manipulation subject to legal action?
>Or do they have some kind of immunity - as they do not affect the stock
>prices, only how much the prices will fluctuate.

	I'm going to rewrite the manipulation clause to limit it to
modifying the market "primarily for the gain of oneself or another player"
It's a little vague, but my hope is that it wouldn't apply to legitimate
market adjustments, but would to illigitimate ones.

- --
- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:52:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2931

On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> The remembering is easy:
> 
> Harfy if you agree with the caller of the Hearing.
> Unharfy if you don't.
> It's that simple!

 And so B'oring.

 H*bert.

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:30:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 577 proposal.

#submit proposal "Rehalfing the ruleset..."

This is a Modest Proposal.

 Create a rule with the lowest currently untaken number with the following
text: 

{{Set the gamestate to whatever it would have been had CFJ 577 been judged
FALSE}}

{{If CFJ 577 has been judged TRUE then give Ayla a Winning
Condition, H*bert looses 2 points, Ayla gains 2 points}}

{{Repeal rule 1}}

{{[I support the CfJ, but don't want the game to go haywire.  Someone else
can fix the rule itself...  Deliberatly posted to acka-research]}}

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:48:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Repeal RFC

>	When a rule package is destroyed, all rules and rule packages
>within it are destroyed.  Any sections of any lists of any surviving rules
>which reference something defined with the destroyed rule package [that is,
>the section references] are removed and the list is renumbered sensibly.
>Any statements of precedence in surviving rules which specifically mention
>a destroyed rule are removed in such a way that statements of precedence
>towards surviving rules remain.

Nothing within the paragraphs preceding this one stated which result of
the hearing caused a package to be destroyed.

- --JT

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:46:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Repeal RFC

>Nothing within the paragraphs preceding this one stated which result of
>the hearing caused a package to be destroyed.
	You're right.  It's simple enough to fix.  Besides that though, do
people like the idea?

- --
- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:08:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Repeal RFC

> >Nothing within the paragraphs preceding this one stated which result of
> >the hearing caused a package to be destroyed.
> 	You're right.  It's simple enough to fix.  Besides that though, do
> people like the idea?

This seems the perfect opportunity to say that basically, I don't. Perhaps
it's partly to do with my anti-points prejudice but I think it should be left
to proposals (and am attempting to repeal things at the moment).

TGW.

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:17:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2947

On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, nomicbot wrote:

> Proposal 2947
> Bandwagoning
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> SHEEPISH
> A player who votes BAA! on a proposal shall receive (n-p) points, where n
> is the number of points that could be earned by anti-voting on that
> proposal, and p is the total number of players who voted BAA! on that
> proposal.
> 

My problem with this is that there appears to be no advantage to voting
BAA!, over anti-voting.. even if you are the only one..

If you could increment the n or even multiply it, it would be much cooler.

Yes, I know we've already had these discussions.

But not everyone else knows that!

IB

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:46:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2947

On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Matt Miller wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, nomicbot wrote:
> 
> > Proposal 2947
> > Bandwagoning
> > Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> > 
> > SHEEPISH
> > A player who votes BAA! on a proposal shall receive (n-p) points, where n
> > is the number of points that could be earned by anti-voting on that
> > proposal, and p is the total number of players who voted BAA! on that
> > proposal.
> > 
> 
> My problem with this is that there appears to be no advantage to voting
> BAA!, over anti-voting.. even if you are the only one..

Ahhh, but if Pandora's proposal passes, then BAA gets to be on the right
side, while still picking up the points.

And, as things currently stand, BAA voters are guaranteed to get some
score change as a result of this proposal, while YES or NO voters need to
wait until they know whether or not the proposal passed or failed.

This guaranteed nature of BAA points is why they needn't be larger than
the number of anti-voting points - and probably should remain smaller.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:40:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Lost Eggplants

Does anyone have any good ideas about what should happen when a Nemesis
Eggplant is lost?  Case in point:  K 2's "Mutton Chops" hat, from the
first Agenda Hat distribution.  Malenkai had the Nemesis Eggplant for it.
Should it be okay for Nemesis Eggplants to get lost like that, or should
they get transferred to someone else when a player leaves the game or
becomes non-voting or whatever?

The problem with transferring is, who to?  If six players submit three hats
each, eighteen Nemesis Eggplants get distributed.  If one player leaves,
then if eir three Eggplants go somewhere, then either somebody who doesn't
have an Agenda Hat gets an Eggplant, or somebody gets more than three.
For that matter, what should happen to a person's hats when they leave
the game?

Just some thoughts, in case anyone else is at all bothered by this.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Andre Gagnon:Mouvements
Current Book--C.J. Cherryh:Chernevog
Strive to achieve Pareto-superiority.

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