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acka-research-digest     Thursday, April 23 1998     Volume 03 : Number 079

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:36:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Win?

Joe Java psted eir judgment of CFJ 572 on Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:31:59

according to rule 217:
The time period for appeal shall be 4 days from the posting of the
Judgement.

but according to rule 413
(c) to receive verdicts from Judges and other judicial entities, and to
distribute the verdicts publically, at which time they become
official.

so when will I win? On the 25/4 or four days after TGW posts the offical
verdict?

K 2

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:44:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Win?

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, K2 wrote:

> so when will I win? On the 25/4 or four days after TGW posts the offical
> verdict?

Official appears to be the official verdict. :-)

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:15:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 574 (Pandora)

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, L'homme a tete de choux wrote:

> This is quite clearly FALSE, as I am obliged to say, even if I thought
> otherwise, and even if the Initiator's Reasoning is sound. Not that I am
> suggesting that I would even consider thinking otherwise, or that the
> Initiator's Reasoning is sound, or even that it might be.

I am calling a Weasel's Words Hearing against Pandora for the above.

- -Hubert, Officer of Stupid Things

The truth is out there? Anyone know the URL? 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:21:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2922

> Proposal 2922
> Offical Terms
> K 2 (Kelly Kelly)
>
> {{[***Senate***]}}
> Append to the end of Rule 411 (Senate) as a separate paragraph:
> At the time of a presidential election at most two seats are selected in
> the following manner:
> i) All seats for which an election was held during the previous 16 weeks
> are disregarded.
> ii) Of the remaining seats, the two (or fewer) seats which have not had
> an election for the longest period have their term of office expire.
> iii) Ties in section ii) are broken randomly.

Good work. But in point ii), I would take away '(or fewer)' and add
'or all of these seats, whichever is less,' after 'for the longest period'.
I'd also like to see ties broken by number of votes received in the
last election - the one with less votes faces election first.

J. M. Bear

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:18:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (L'homme a tete de choux)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 574 (Pandora)

Hubert:
>I am calling a Weasel's Words Hearing against Pandora for the above.

What exactly is indeterminate about the meaning of the word 'false'?

Pandora

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:29:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Burn me, I dare you!

> The Earth is banna shaped, not round.

The truth _CAN NOT_ be denied

K 2

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:41:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: She just ain't gunna sing

I rename my house "Slab"

K2 wrote:

> I return to my house and shut the black plastic.
>
> K 2

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:55:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2918

>Proposal 2918
>double your pleasure
>rufus (David Scheidt)

[content of proposal deleted since it's not particularly relevant to the
rest of my comments here]

Rufus, I wish you had also included provisions for stripping out the blank
default definitions as well since they are equally obviously not the correct
answer.

I'll probably submit something like that shortly I guess.

- --JT

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:36:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joel Ricker" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2921

> Proposal 2921
> Remove My Pointless Trappings Of Office
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> This is a Modest Proposal.

Wow, a president who strips his own powers away? Intresting..

- -- Joe Java
this e-mail contains strong language.  viewer discrection advised.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

     Joel Ricker [] [email-masked] [] ICQ# 6244364
       Check out the link below for the conclusion of ImpNom28
         http://www.Geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/1047/

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:00:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2918

> Proposal 2918
> double your pleasure
> rufus (David Scheidt)

This is pretty good except I'm trying to figure out this section:

> No Bluffer submitted a definition that is substantially similar to an
> On-line Definition, and two or more Bluffers submitted substanially
> similar definitions.  In this case, The Brainiac randomly selects one of
> the definitions that are substanially similar and removes it from
> consideration.                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
OK, we threw out that one.

> The other substanially similar definition or definitions
> are discarded
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What, we throw out the others too?

I think the first underlined phrase above should be "to be included in
the list of definitions".  Also, that sentence should specify that he
selects one definition from each set of substantially similar definitions,
in case there are two pairs of similar definitions.

/dev/joe

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:30:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Imagination (was: Proposal 2899)

> Proposal 2899
> Admiral Crunch
> Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey)
>
> Blue and green may be grouped together as cool colours, while red and
> black are warm colours.  Red and green may be grouped as live colours,
> and blue and black as dead colours.
>
> {{[ If anyone wants to come up with designations for the other
> possible pairing of the four colours, go right ahead.  My imagination
> failed me.  ]}}

Green and black are earth colors, while red and blue are sky colors?(Well, there
may be a problem with black, I know, but likewise, in the
live/dead question blue seems rather a leftover, too)

J. M. Bear

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:33:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Imagination (was: Proposal 2899)

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Frank Schmidt wrote:

> Green and black are earth colors, while red and blue are sky colors?(Well, there
> may be a problem with black, I know, but likewise, in the
> live/dead question blue seems rather a leftover, too)
> 
 Black is not a colour.

 H*bert.

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:16:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2918

> Rufus, I wish you had also included provisions for stripping out the blank
> default definitions as well since they are equally obviously not the
correct
> answer.
> 
> I'll probably submit something like that shortly I guess.

I'd rather not actually. I don't see any problems caused by this and think
that having the " " definition makes it clear that no submissions are
accidentally omitted.

TGW.

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:16:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Harf Pint.

> I designate P2888 as Harfy.  (If it is within my powers, I also designate
> it Nearly Incomprehensible.)

*Nearly* incomprehensible? Damn I'm slipping...

TGW.

PS you should no by now that this is my forte :-).

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2919

> {{If more than one Building (except for towers) exists on a kaa of land at
>   this moment, one of the buildings is moved to another legal location if
>   such exists.  If no such location exists, the building is destroyed and
>   its owner is compensated from the treasury the cost that would have been
>   payed to build the building being destroyed.  A Legal Location for moving
>   a building is any kaa of land owned by the owner of the building being
>   moved.  If the building is owned by no player, then it is moved to a
legal
>   location for that building on the Map.

This isn't necessarily an objection but the way it stands this will be at
random. It would probably be better if the owner got to choose which one was
destroyed.

TGW.

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:16:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2924

> Amend the following sentence, were it appears in rule 594.4 (Blueprint:
> Vending Machine):
> The price for which a Magic Radish may be sold starts at A$7.
> to read:
> The price for which a Magic Radish may be sold starts at A$4.

This last bit won't work. It was changed (I think to 8) by a recent CSR.

TGW, CSRR.

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:09:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2919

>This isn't necessarily an objection but the way it stands this will be at
>random. It would probably be better if the owner got to choose which one was
>destroyed.

I think the only player this currently affects is Pandora, and E owns another
kaa of land at this point to which eir second building can be moved, so I
don't see this as being a real problem.  That section is only there to 
give a resolution to the currently conflicting building if any, so if any
player is currently in conflict with building, they can easily purchase
sufficient kaage (hey, a new word :) to hold the buildings if they care
which are kept.

If there is serious objection though, I can retract and resubmit though
I would rather not unless a large number of folk would vote against it in
the current form but would support it in the other form.  (if you'd vote
against it in either form, you can let me know too and if it's something
sensible (other than just -- I don't like it --) I'll certainly consider
ways to fix it.

- --JT

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:14:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2918

>> Rufus, I wish you had also included provisions for stripping out the blank
>> default definitions as well since they are equally obviously not the correct
>> answer.
>> 
>> I'll probably submit something like that shortly I guess.
>
>I'd rather not actually. I don't see any problems caused by this and think
>that having the " " definition makes it clear that no submissions are
>accidentally omitted.

I guess.  It just seems silly to me is all. (but then, silliness is
encouraged :)

- --JT

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:53:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 163 (TRUE)

> Two tips to Joe:
> 1. Give reasoning - we can't determine whether you're right or not unless
> you explain why.
> 2. Impose penalties on TRUE CFCJs - otherwise people will just call for
> outlandish penalties and have them automatically imposed.
> 3. Send your verdicts to the CotC _privately_

I'm sorry, I can't resist.

Two tips to Slakko:

1. Learn to count to three.

TGW.

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:54:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 163 (TRUE)

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> > Two tips to Joe:
> > 1. Give reasoning - we can't determine whether you're right or not unless
> > you explain why.
> > 2. Impose penalties on TRUE CFCJs - otherwise people will just call for
> > outlandish penalties and have them automatically imposed.
> > 3. Send your verdicts to the CotC _privately_
> 
> I'm sorry, I can't resist.
> 
> Two tips to Slakko:
> 
> 1. Learn to count to three.

Zero tips to TGW:
1. C starts counts from Nil, but Ada starts them from 1.

This was written in Cda.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:53:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Imagination (was: Proposal 2899)

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Frank Schmidt wrote:
> 
> > Green and black are earth colors, while red and blue are sky colors?(Well, there
> > may be a problem with black, I know, but likewise, in the
> > live/dead question blue seems rather a leftover, too)
> > 
>  Black is not a colour.

Vynd, I believe this is yours?

- -Hubert

For any complex problem, there exists a solution that is simple, neat, 
and wrong. 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:54:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, John Bollinger wrote:

> Does anyone else associate that song with "Fandango"?
> Has anyone else seen "Fandango"?

Scaramouche, scaramouche, will you do it?

- -Hubert
Song In My Head: Aaarrrrrrgggh

For any complex problem, there exists a solution that is simple, neat, 
and wrong. 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:57:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Imagination (was: Proposal 2899)

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Hubert wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Frank Schmidt wrote:
> > 
> > > Green and black are earth colors, while red and blue are sky colors?(Well, there
> > > may be a problem with black, I know, but likewise, in the
> > > live/dead question blue seems rather a leftover, too)
> > > 
> >  Black is not a colour.
> 
> Vynd, I believe this is yours?
> 
 I never claimed black was not a color.  Just that it was not a colour.
                                                                    ^

 H*bert.

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:01:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Hubert wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, John Bollinger wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone else associate that song with "Fandango"?
> > Has anyone else seen "Fandango"?
> 
> Scaramouche, scaramouche, will you do it?

Thunderbolts and lightning
Very very frightening, me!

                Galileo!
Galileo!
                Galileo!
Galileo!
                GalileoFigaro 
Magnifico-o-o-o-o-o

etc.

Yours,
Slakko
who has been in his car for two weeks in a cassette tape box.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:15:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

Slakko wrote:
> Thunderbolts and lightning
> Very very frightening, me!
> 
>                 Galileo!
> Galileo!
>                 Galileo!
> Galileo!
>                 GalileoFigaro 
> Magnifico-o-o-o-o-o

Mama mia! Mama mia!
Mama mia, let me go! (let me go)
No no no no no no!

Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me, for me...

- -- 
/dev/joe
The only song I know of that mentions "Beelzebub", but I don't
listen to much heavy metal, which I'm sure has plenty of examples...

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:17:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> Thunderbolts and lightning
> Very very frightening, me!
> 
>                 Galileo!
> Galileo!
>                 Galileo!
> Galileo!
>                 GalileoFigaro 
> Magnifico-o-o-o-o-o
> 

A Nice and Accurate Rendition.

IB
Considering a name change to Anathema.

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:24:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Matt Miller wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
> > Thunderbolts and lightning
> > Very very frightening, me!
> > 
> >                 Galileo!
> > Galileo!
> >                 Galileo!
> > Galileo!
> >                 GalileoFigaro 
> > Magnifico-o-o-o-o-o
> A Nice and Accurate Rendition.
> 
> IB
> Considering a name change to Anathema.
> 
  Yes, Ms Device.

  H*bert.

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:32:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me, for me...
> 
> -- 
> /dev/joe
> The only song I know of that mentions "Beelzebub", but I don't
> listen to much heavy metal, which I'm sure has plenty of examples...

When we did this song in choir my senior year, the director didn't want
to have us name the Evil One in performance, so he rewrote the lyrics to
replace "Beelzebub" with "B. L. Z. Bub" and -- this was funnier --
"Bismillah" with "Ms. Miller," which was the name of an English teacher at
our high school.  When she eventually found out, she was less than amused.

Has anyone seen the Imperial Rhapsody version?

Admiral Piett: "Vader... just killed a man...
Put his hand up in the air,
Now his life's no longer there.
Vader... life had just begun...
And now I've gone and lost the Rebel Scum."

http://www2.hawaii.edu/~plumb/starwars/imperial.rhapsody.html

- -Hubert

For any complex problem, there exists a solution that is simple, neat, 
and wrong. 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:14:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

> -- 
> /dev/joe
> The only song I know of that mentions "Beelzebub", but I don't
> listen to much heavy metal, which I'm sure has plenty of examples...

Oh, but there's also Soul Coughing's "Bus to Beelzebub", don't forget.

b

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:58:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Imagination (was: Proposal 2899)

> > Blue and green may be grouped together as cool colours, while red and
> > black are warm colours.  Red and green may be grouped as live colours,
> > and blue and black as dead colours.

> > {{[ If anyone wants to come up with designations for the other
> > possible pairing of the four colours, go right ahead.  My imagination
> > failed me.  ]}}

> Green and black are earth colors, while red and blue are sky colors?(Well, there
> may be a problem with black, I know, but likewise, in the
> live/dead question blue seems rather a leftover, too)

Earth and sky are not bad, actually.  (And blue is certainly dead--it's
the colour of oxygen deprivation!)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--ABBA:Love Songs
Current Book--Dashiell Hammett:The Glass Key
Her thighs draw eyes as they arise in scission...  --filippi

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:07:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Imagination (was: Proposal 2899)

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> Earth and sky are not bad, actually.  (And blue is certainly dead--it's
> the colour of oxygen deprivation!)

Or cyanide poisoning.

- -Hubert

Why do psychics have to ask you for your name? 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:49:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Imagination (was: Proposal 2899)

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Hubert wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Frank Schmidt wrote:
> > 
> > > Green and black are earth colors, while red and blue are sky colors?(Well, there
> > > may be a problem with black, I know, but likewise, in the
> > > live/dead question blue seems rather a leftover, too)
> > > 
> >  Black is not a colour.
> 
> Vynd, I believe this is yours?

Colour?  Whats a colour?  I deal with colors, thank you very much!

                                - Vynd

[email-masked]

> 
> -Hubert
> 
> For any complex problem, there exists a solution that is simple, neat, 
> and wrong. 
> 
> 
> 

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