Subject: acka-research-digest V3 #77
From: [email-masked] (acka-research-digest)
To: [email-masked]

acka-research-digest      Tuesday, April 21 1998      Volume 03 : Number 077

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:10:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: ^

> >>I'm more inclined to accept your second claim - that CFJ 571 is not a
> >>Cycle Win CFJ.  Not even should Proposal 2878 pass (which would specify
> >>that e has achieved a Winning Condition).  However, it does stop you
> >>submitting it for 7 days by the Substantially Similar CFJ rules.
> >>
> >Which only apply to similar CFJ from the same author or _PWCFJ_ not CWCFJs
> >
> >(I just checked)
>
> CWCFJs are CFJs.  The rule concerning them says so.  So are PWCFJs, for that
> matter.  PWCFJs get special treatment for largely historic reasons.

My point was CWCFJs don't get special treatment either.

>
>
> ThinMan

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:10:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Burning Mountain

> Is the new Church of the EBS going to start insisting that the Earth has a
> large lever and a small lever, and is green?

Sounds almost banna shaped to me ;)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:00:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2870 rejected

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, nomicbot wrote:

> Results of Proposal 2870
> 
> 20/23 votes: Quorum achieved
> 9/20 YES votes: Proposal rejected
> 
>     NO:
> Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
> Vynd                 (Vulcan)
> breadbox
> /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
> K 2                  (MetaMorph)
> J. M. Bear
> Koxvolio             (Harf)
> Pandora
> else...if            (Klingon)
> Guy Fawkes
> The Gingham Wearer   (Klingon)

Remind me to quote everyone on this when someone submits 20 different
CWCFJs.  Why did people vote against it?

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:26:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2870 rejected

> > Results of Proposal 2870
> > 
> > 20/23 votes: Quorum achieved
> > 9/20 YES votes: Proposal rejected

It was too complicated, and introduced too many bits and pieces. At the
time I voted I think I was still concerned with the ruleset being too long
and having to be cut down.

That's why.

Koxvolio

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:26:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2903

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, nomicbot wrote:

> When there is a conclusive result as in the previous paragraph, then the
> word specified thereby is added to the Ackanomic Lexicon, game custom
> shall consider this word to be the proper plural of "frink", and this
> Rule repeals itself.

Plural?  Shouldn't this be past tense?

rufus

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:17:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: ARFR

> This is incorrect.  Given 4 activities the day after a 3 or 4 activity
> day, the activity index will either remain steady (3) or fall by 0.2 (4).
> Each activity is worth 1/(A+1), where A is the number of activities
> yesterday.  Otherwise there would be a big problem after a no activity
> day.

Damn, forgot the 1/(A*+1*)

err, just testing ?

K 2

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:18:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2872 rejected

>Results of Proposal 2872
>
>20/23 votes: Quorum achieved
>8/20 YES votes: Proposal rejected
>
>    NO:
>rufus                (SPAM)
>Hubert               (Boomerangs)
>breadbox
>/dev/joe             (Vulcan)
>Ayla
>J. M. Bear
>Koxvolio             (Harf)
>IdiotBoy
>Pandora
>Guy Fawkes
>The Gingham Wearer   (Klingon)
>Vynd                 (Vulcan)
>
>> Happy birthday to me
>> JT (JT Traub)
>> 
[actual proposal content snipped]

A large number of people voted no on this.  I am curious as to why?
If there was some specific objection, I'd love to hear it so that I can
try to avoid making that same mistake again.

- --JT

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:26:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2872 rejected

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, JT Traub wrote:

> A large number of people voted no on this.  I am curious as to why?
> If there was some specific objection, I'd love to hear it so that I can
> try to avoid making that same mistake again.
> 
> --JT
> 

I voted NO because:

1.  Figuring out the birthday of all current players could be a hassle.
(What about me?  I've joined 3 times!)

2. The tracking-to-fun ratio seems very low.

IB

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:36:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2872 rejected

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Matt Miller wrote:

> I voted NO because:
> 
> 1.  Figuring out the birthday of all current players could be a hassle.
> (What about me?  I've joined 3 times!)

Alfvaen has all that information on the Registrar's page.  All verified.

> 2. The tracking-to-fun ratio seems very low.

The fun must be non-existent!  The tracking here is minimal.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:39:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2872 rejected

>On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, JT Traub wrote:
>
>> A large number of people voted no on this.  I am curious as to why?
>> If there was some specific objection, I'd love to hear it so that I can
>> try to avoid making that same mistake again.
>> 
>> --JT
>> 
>
>I voted NO because:
>
>1.  Figuring out the birthday of all current players could be a hassle.
>(What about me?  I've joined 3 times!)
>2. The tracking-to-fun ratio seems very low.

I had noticed that this information was already tracked on the registrar's
page so it didn't seem like it would add more work to any existing functional
office, but I can understand those points and I probably should have pointed
out that fact that it was already being tracked in the proposal.

- --JT

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:33:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2872 rejected

> A large number of people voted no on this.  I am curious as to why?
> If there was some specific objection, I'd love to hear it so that I can
> try to avoid making that same mistake again.

No specific reasons, I just didn't like the general concept.

TGW.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:33:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2903

> When this Rule is created, a Hearing shall be called, with the Speaker
> as Hearing Harfer.  The Hearing shall be on the subject of what the
> past tense of the word "frink" shall be.
> 
> The valid results for this Hearing are the following: "frank", "frinked",
> "frought", "knirf".

Which past tense might that be? Past participle? Perfect? Imperfect? What? I
like the general idea but in the same way that drank and drunk are both past
tense versions of drink I think that frink would probably have more than 1
past tense.

TGW.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:33:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2870 rejected

> Remind me to quote everyone on this when someone submits 20 different
> CWCFJs.  Why did people vote against it?

I thought it was a bit boring. It was too similar to the goose for me.

TGW.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:13:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Election

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

> > Simple, you want H-bert to give you the 100 dollars (and yes, I've made
> > sure e can - I hope e will), say you want H-bert to give you the Hundred
> > Dollars.  And say Hubert properly, especially now that we have H*bert.
> > 
>   Or alternativly ask him to make me give it to you.

I love how e censored my name (or eirs -- it's hard to tell) the first two
times, but neglected to the last time.  Treasure-Harfer, take note.

>  H*bert.

Whoa, we have the same last name.

Brother?

- -Hubert

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:17:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Election

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Hubert wrote:

> Whoa, we have the same last name.
> 
> Brother?

So this is what it sounds like when the doves cry?

> 
> -Hubert
> 
> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:21:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Election

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Hubert wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> 
> > > Simple, you want H-bert to give you the 100 dollars (and yes, I've made
> > > sure e can - I hope e will), say you want H-bert to give you the Hundred
> > > Dollars.  And say Hubert properly, especially now that we have H*bert.
> > > 
> >   Or alternativly ask him to make me give it to you.
> 
> I love how e censored my name (or eirs -- it's hard to tell) the first two
> times, but neglected to the last time.  Treasure-Harfer, take note.
> 
 Actually I made that mistake a couple days ago, was waiting to see if
anyone noticed....

 H*bert.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:40:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Mr. Lunatic Fringe.

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, John Bollinger wrote:

> >all: thank you!
> >tim: To the north there lies a cave.  the cave of king garbleygook,
> [something like this] ---------------------------> Kyle Banogh

Kyre Bannorg, according to Eric Idle.

> ThinMan
> "I soiled my armor, I was so scared."

"You monkey's Scot's get!"

That's one of the lines in there it took me the longest to figure out.
Another is, during the initial swallow argument, the guard says "Pull the
other one!"  I assume he's referring to his legs.

Does anyone else know what the witch says immediately after she's
convicted for being lighter than a duck?

(See, Pandora, you don't have to explicitly say the Earth isn't flat.)

- -Hubert

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:55:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2903

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, nomicbot wrote:

> Proposal 2903
> Blank Frank
> Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey)
> 
> Create a new rule, numbered 1199, named "Frink", with text as follows
> (delimited by ENO):
> 
> ENO
> When this Rule is created, a Hearing shall be called, with the Speaker
> as Hearing Harfer.  The Hearing shall be on the subject of what the
> past tense of the word "frink" shall be.

> 
> When there is a conclusive result as in the previous paragraph, then the
> word specified thereby is added to the Ackanomic Lexicon, game custom
> shall consider this word to be the proper plural of "frink", and this
> Rule repeals itself.
> ENO
> 

Proper plural?

                                   - Vynd

[email-masked]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:01:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2905

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, nomicbot wrote:

> Proposal 2905
> Real Property Act
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> This is a Modest Proposal.
> 
> [The title of this proposal is taken from an 1860s South Australian piece
> of legislation which completely reformed land and title deeds in South
> Australia.  I thought it was appropriate for this land reform proposal
> (Vynd says he's been working on one for ages - let's get some simple stuff
> done first).]

Yeah.  Land Reform...  I have a massive pile of stuff on this that I've
basically let sit for the past few months.  It turned into too big a
project for me to really handle.  But I'm graduating in a week and a half.
I have no employment in my immediate future, and history tells us that no
job makes for a busy Ackazen...

                                 - Vynd

[email-masked]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:01:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2872 rejected

> I voted NO because:

> 1.  Figuring out the birthday of all current players could be a hassle.

Luckily breadbox and I, between us, have all that information recorded,
so on that front it wouldn't be that much trouble.

> (What about me?  I've joined 3 times!)

That's a good point.  Of course, I think there needs to be a better way of
handling players who leave for a long time and then return.  Do they need
mentors, for instance?  In these days of decomposing Undead, I'm not sure
that "the most recent departure left an Undead which still exists" is the
best definition anymore.

> 2. The tracking-to-fun ratio seems very low.

Well, I thought it would be okay, personally, but I may not be Financier
forever, I suppose...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Liz Phair:Exile In Guyville
Current Book--Gordon Korman:Something Fishy At Macdonald Hall
Must it be rigid and so benign?  Can't it be free and efficacious?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:11:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Burning Mountain

> Can the verdict of a witch hunt be challenged? I don't believe that a heresy
> was committed -- e said the banna was earth-shaped, which if anything suggests
> that the banna is flat. This is corroborated by the fact that the jukebox has a
> banner-shaped slot. Slots are flat. That is what makes them slots rather than
> holes. So, I conclude from this information that in order to go in the slot,
> the banna must be flat, hence it is true to say it is earth-shaped.
>

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, only members of the Holy Church of banna know the True Meaning of
banna.

> I don't know what the fuss is about.
>
> The earth is banna-shaped.
>
> How about *that* for controversial?
>
> Pandora

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:21:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: CFJ 572 (TRUE)

When the CotC distributes this and makes it official...
I cheer widly.
Leave the ackanomic afterlife.
dash over to were ever it is that the fat lady gives her performance.
And start waiting patiently (3 days to go).

Joel Ricker wrote:

> I declare CFJ 572 to be TRUE.
>
> -- Joe Java
>
> That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
>
>      Joel Ricker [] [email-masked] [] ICQ# 6244364
>        Check out the link below for the conclusion of ImpNom28
>          http://www.Geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/1047/

------------------------------

End of acka-research-digest V3 #77
**********************************