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acka-research-digest      Monday, March 30 1998      Volume 03 : Number 053

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:49:26 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2790 rejected

> Results of Proposal 2790
>     YES:
> Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
> Guy Fawkes
> K 2                  (MetaMorph)
> Vynd                 (Vulcan)
> Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
> MetaMorph Unity Vote
> Tammany                                 [H*bert bribed Tammany A$30]
>                                         [Alfvaen bribed Tammany A$29 (YES)]

Heh, at least get your party-mates to vote for your cheesy attempt at a
palindromic proposal.

>     ABSTAINED:
> H*bert               (Boomerangs)

This, I think, is embarrasing for H*bert...
[Name censored for obvious reasons.]

/dev/joe

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:17:46 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2802

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Black is a color.  Contradiction of this fact is Black Heresy.  Witchhunts
> may be called against those who have publicly questioned this fact, using
> the same methods and results as described in Rule 1307, except that the

Meaning that the votes in the hearing are BURN THE WITCH! and No, e said
the earth is flat...

rufus

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:18:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2807

My one concern about this involves a situation where a corrupt OiCoRT
might refuse to determine the object.  Time to correct this situation
would be

3 days -- allowed for all official duties
variable -- time for someone to realize that the OiCoRT is not indeed
  acting in good faith and impeach them
3 days -- votes on the IP to be collected.
variable -- time for the new OiCoRT to do the job

This more or less means that if the OiCoRT really wanted to delay your
action, e could delay it by the order of a week or so.

I'm not opposed to the idea in general, but I would approve of it more
were it coupled with a proposal to allow the player initiating the need
for random determination to use a known objective resource (like the Dice
Server) to do it themselves.

Guy Fawkes

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Proposal 2807
> Hippy Hippy Shakes
> Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey)
> 
> This is a modest proposal.
> 
> {{[ There still seems to me to be some ambiguity about when something
> occurs when it depends not only a public action but on a random
> determination.  It makes more sense to me for it to occur when the
> determination does, and that's what this tries to do.  ]}}
> 
> Amend Rule 371, "Timing", by inserting the following text(delimited
> by LOBOS)as a paragraph coming before the last one:
> 
> LOBOS
> An event that depends on a random determination for its full specification
> shall not occur until the random determination is publicly knowable.
> LOBOS
> 

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:21:35 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2802

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, David Scheidt wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:
> 
> > Black is a color.  Contradiction of this fact is Black Heresy.  Witchhunts
> > may be called against those who have publicly questioned this fact, using
> > the same methods and results as described in Rule 1307, except that the
> 
> Meaning that the votes in the hearing are BURN THE WITCH! and No, e said
> the earth is flat...
> 
> 
> rufus
> 
> 

OK, you're definitely gonna be the first one into the oven.  Some people
are just too picky.

                                      - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:31:31 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2802

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:

> 
> OK, you're definitely gonna be the first one into the oven.  Some people
> are just too picky.

I am not picky, I just work with computers.  And black isn't a color.

rufus

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:47:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2802

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, David Scheidt wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:
> > 
> > > Black is a color.  Contradiction of this fact is Black Heresy.  Witchhunts
> > > may be called against those who have publicly questioned this fact, using
> > > the same methods and results as described in Rule 1307, except that the
> > 
> > Meaning that the votes in the hearing are BURN THE WITCH! and No, e said
> > the earth is flat...
> > 
> OK, you're definitely gonna be the first one into the oven.  Some people
> are just too picky.

That reminds me - anyone who in the past has said that black is not a
colour can be burned after this is passed - it makes witchhunt calling a
retrospective possibility. (Legitimate because current actions based on
past facts are not retrospective effects).

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:57:59 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2802

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> That reminds me - anyone who in the past has said that black is not a
> colour can be burned after this is passed - it makes witchhunt calling a
> retrospective possibility. (Legitimate because current actions based on
> past facts are not retrospective effects).

Is this a problem?  The truth is plain, just because it wasn't officially
a crime against all that is good when the pernicious lies were uttered
does not mean they should go unpunished.

                                        - Vynd

[email-masked]

> 
> Yours,
> Slakko
> -- 
> Duncan C. "" Richer aka
> Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
> Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
> Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:06:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2802

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
> 
> > That reminds me - anyone who in the past has said that black is not a
> > colour can be burned after this is passed - it makes witchhunt calling a
> > retrospective possibility. (Legitimate because current actions based on
> > past facts are not retrospective effects).
> 
> Is this a problem?  The truth is plain, just because it wasn't officially
> a crime against all that is good when the pernicious lies were uttered
> does not mean they should go unpunished.

Remind me to make having called yourself Vynd a crime :-)

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:18:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2790 rejected

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> >     ABSTAINED:
> > H*bert               (Boomerangs)
> 
> This, I think, is embarrasing for H*bert...
> [Name censored for obvious reasons.]

Oh, shame.  

Luckily it wouldn't have made a difference in any of these proposals.  I
made a typo in my message, mispeling "2785" as "2794."  Now why doesn't
nomicbot catch those? :-)  (This actually means that I voted on proposals
2802 and 2803 before they'd even been distributed...)

I thwap myself, bonk myself with rufus' D'oh!, ram my head against the
wall, apologize endlessly to K 2, and weep dejectedly at the utter
futility of it all.

None of these happen because I'm still quasi-Gaolified.

- -Hubert, wishing e could chastise emself more effectively

The Lottery: a tax for people who can't do the math.

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:44:03 -0500 (EST)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2789 accepted

> Results of Proposal 2789
>
> 13/17 votes: Quorum achieved
> 10/13 YES votes: Proposal accepted
>
>     YES:
> Guy Fawkes
> /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
> Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
> K 2                  (MetaMorph)
> Slakko               (SPAM)
> Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
> Vynd                 (Vulcan)
> Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
> rufus                (SPAM)
> Bonus Vote                              [Niccolo Flychuck used a Bonus Vote]

Not that it makes any difference, but shouldn't their be a MetaMorph Unity Vote
in there somewhere :)

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:42:23 -0500 (EST)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2790 rejected

> Heh, at least get your party-mates to vote for your cheesy attempt at a
> palindromic proposal.
>

So I get a cheese now, wow! Thanks to those who supported this proposal
, I can't say I was particularly surprised by the result (but I did have
my fingers crossed) :). Admittedly it was rather trite, but it would
seam no one else has tried to use []s before, so there was at least
_some_ originality involved.

While discussing the matter with an alien e said:
diasen eila naht iw rettam ehtg niss uc s ide lih Wdevl ov niyt ilan ig
iroem ostsaeltasawer ehtos , erofe bsesu otde irtsahe sle e no onma es
dlu owt itub, etirt re hta rsa wti yldet timd A. d essorc sregn ifymev
ah didI tubt lusere htybd es irp rusy lral ucitr apsa wIy as tna cI laso
porps ihtdetrop pusoh wesoh totskn ah Twoww onese ehca teg Io S.

But then, what would e know :)

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:23:27 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2807

> My one concern about this involves a situation where a corrupt OiCoRT
> might refuse to determine the object.  Time to correct this situation
> would be

> 3 days -- allowed for all official duties
> variable -- time for someone to realize that the OiCoRT is not indeed
>   acting in good faith and impeach them
> 3 days -- votes on the IP to be collected.
> variable -- time for the new OiCoRT to do the job

> This more or less means that if the OiCoRT really wanted to delay your
> action, e could delay it by the order of a week or so.

I would hope that anyone who achieved the rank of Speaker would be a bit
more incorruptible than that.  I try to be, anyway.

> I'm not opposed to the idea in general, but I would approve of it more
> were it coupled with a proposal to allow the player initiating the need
> for random determination to use a known objective resource (like the Dice
> Server) to do it themselves.

This would be okay too.  For people who insist on B-Ack hunting and stuff.
:-)  (I find that determination a bit tedious, personally, which is why I
stopped doing it publicly...)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In The Other Room--Suzanne Vega:Blood Makes Noise
Current Book--Jo Clayton:Quester's Endgame
"Hi there, my name is Legion, and I'll be your server for this evening."

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