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acka-research-digest     Monday, January 26 1998     Volume 02 : Number 236

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:46:47 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2648

> Amend rule 911 by replacing "76" with "126" and replacing "152" with "252".

> "m) If the base value of the magic number was changed in accordance with
> section k) then amend rule 911 by replacing "126" with _X_ and "252" with
> _Y_ where _X_ is the integer value closest to one third of the base value
> of the magic number (rounding up) and _Y_ is the integer value closest to
> two thirds of the base value of the magic number (rounding up).

> {{[the current points values seem a little low to me, considering that the
> magic number is almost four hundred. This system will allow players to keep
> the trombone for longer in a long drawn-out points cycle.]}}

While it's true that the magic number used to be lower, I don't think this
is necessarily a good idea.  Back before the magic number got increased,
I once had the Great Trombone for about 4 cycles, at least once narrowly
missing 152 before somebody else won the cycle; people wanted to lower the
score needed to lose the trombone.  Keep in mind how few players ever get
to 2/3 of the magic number -- usually no more than 4 or 5 in a cycle won
by points.  Only the 2nd cycle, when Bascule won by points after hopping
back and forth around the magic number for a couple weeks before winning,
back when you had to hit the magic number exactly, had more than this.

Also, the number 76 is one of those Historically Special numbers, in part
that it coincides with the 76 in the proposal numbers that generate the
parade.  Of course, the magic number used to be like that too, and we
changed it...

/dev/joe

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:06:47 -1100
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2644

> A player may not make a proposal or CFJ in Hospital, as attempts to do so
> are discounted as paranoid delusional ramblings.

I REALLY (enough to make me use capitals) HATE this part....

but i'll smile anyway

K 2 :)

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:59:51 -1100
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2635

>  (I'm already planning on resigning as President sometime soon,
> and will probably also put up Trinket-Harfer up for grabs; still not sure
> about Financier, Undead-Harfer, and Web-Harfer, though.  If anyone has a
> hankering to do these, let me know.)

Since I have been somewhat penalized by my time zone previously, I would like to
go on the record as saying that I am interested in taking on any of these
positions, should they become available

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:48:33 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2644

On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, K 2 wrote:

> > A player may not make a proposal or CFJ in Hospital, as attempts to do so
> > are discounted as paranoid delusional ramblings.
> 
> I REALLY (enough to make me use capitals) HATE this part....

What's the problem?  It only lasts for 3 days, so the statute of
limitations on CFJs doesn't expire.  It's just something designed to be a
little bit harfy.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Ackanomic - RuneMaker - Chess-Umpire - Map-Harfer - Senator - Swinger

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:19:13 -1100
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2644

>What's the problem?  

Just an on the spot dislike.
I can't put my finger on it... call it aesthetic displeasure

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:47:24 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2645

> Proposal 2645
> McCarthy-ism lives on yet more
> else...if (Henry Towsner)
> 
> Create a rule entitled "Red Scare" reading as follows:
> 	It is possible that there are athiestic communists across the river
> who intend to destroy our democratic, just, and religious way of life,
and
> may even believe that black is not a color.  Clearly, on this risk, and
the
> risk that they have sent spys amoung us, we must take precautions.  To
> protect against spies, the President may publicly announce that "There
are
> spies amoung us."  If the President has not announced this in the thirty
> days preceding the  announcement, than Ackanomic will be said to be
> "Paranoid" for one week.  

This bit could be clearer. I'd suggest a review.

> During this time it will be a crime to publicly
> suggest that there is something wrong with the Ackanomian way of life.
> Any Player may call a Hearing on the matter of whether a certain public
> message from another Player was seditious.
> The valid responses to a Sedition Hearing are "Perhaps he's only a light
> shade of pink." and "Commie traitor!". If the verdict of the Hearing
shows
> that the message was seditious, 

You haven't specified which verdict of the hearing shows that the message
is seditious.

> the Player who sent it is tarred and
> feathered until Ackanomic is no longer paranoid. If it shows that it was
> not seditious, the person who called the hearing is tarred and feathered
> for one day.  Being tarred and feathered is identical to being in gaol
> except that a tarred and feathered player cannot cease to be tarred and
> feathered except as specified in this rule.
> 
> This rule takes precedence over all other rules, since any rule
conflicting
> with this one must be a pinko-commie.

Is the last bit really necessary. I don't particularly like rules like this
claiming to take precedence over everything. 

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:37:24 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2655

>"All players who were active on the date this rule was previously amended
>or created and did not vote yes to the proposal that did so shall loose one
>point every week at noon on Saturday."
	If this is legal, it creates an interesting prisoner's dilemma.  To
go for personal gain, or fairness...

- --
- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	No iron can stab the heart with such force as a period put just at
the right place.
	-Isaac Babel

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:46:19 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2620 accepted

On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Results of Proposal 2620
> 
> 17/22 votes: Quorum achieved
> 13/17 YES votes: Proposal accepted
> 
>     YES:
> Slakko               (SPAM)
> else...if            (SPAM)
> Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
> Balsamic Dragon      (SPAM)
> Goldenmean           (Boomerangs)
> Fortunato            (SPAM)
> Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
> rufus                (SPAM)
> The Gingham Wearer   (Klingon)
> Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
> /dev/joe             (Rule 1 is repealed. #1)
> Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
> SPAM Unity Vote
> 
>     NO:
> Slagothor            (Boomerangs)
> breadbox
> Malenkai             (Rule 1 is repealed. #1)
> K 2
> 
>     PRESENT:
> ThinMan              (Rule 1 is repealed. #1)
> 
>     ABSTAINED:
> Vynd                 (Rule 1 is repealed. #1)
> Red Barn
> Bill the pirate king (Boomerangs)
> two-star             (MetaMorph)
> Crackfoo             (Harf)
> 
>     VACATIONING:
> Michael Wren
> 
>     PENDING:
> Hoover 2300
> 
> > Proposal 2620 - Mon 19 Jan 1998 06:40 EST
> > It'll never happen again (Yeah right...)
> > Vynd (John McCoy)
> > 

Err, thanks for voting for this.  I like to think that if I didn't have a
cold right now, I'd have remembered to vote on it as well.  Of course,
considering the results of Crackfoo's CFJ, it might not really do
anything, but I guess it will at least make sure we don't get confused
again (yeah right...).

                               - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:49:05 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2623 accepted

Ditto my last message about a proposal I wrote...

                               - Vynd, feeling kinda dumb

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:02:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2655

>> "All players who were active on the date this rule was previously amended
>> or created and did not vote yes to the proposal that did so shall loose one
>> point every week at noon on Saturday."
> 
> 	If this is legal, it creates an interesting prisoner's dilemma.  To
> go for personal gain, or fairness...

It's a debatable point, actually.

I believe that it manages to not run afoul of section I of Rule 313,
since the proposal itself is not effecting the discrimation.

However, section III says:

> III. Effects Triggered on Changing the Triggering Rules
> 
> If a proposal adds, changes, or repeals rules that generate effects or
> cause some entity to generate effects (including but not limited to score
> changes) based on the way players vote, then those rules generate no
> effects based on the way players vote on that particular proposal.

I believe that this section can prevent the proposed rule from
succeeding in its effect, no matter how delayed the effect may be....

breadbox

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:10:31 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: question

Brian Raiter wrote:
> 
> Results of Proposal 2620
> 
> 17/22 votes: Quorum achieved
> 13/17 YES votes: Proposal accepted
> 
>     YES:
> Slakko               (SPAM)
> else...if            (SPAM)
> Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
> Balsamic Dragon      (SPAM)
> Goldenmean           (Boomerangs)
> Fortunato            (SPAM)
> Rex Mundi            (Klingon)
> rufus                (SPAM)
> The Gingham Wearer   (Klingon)
> Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
> /dev/joe             (Rule 1 is repealed. #1)
> Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
> SPAM Unity Vote
> 
>     NO:
> Slagothor            (Boomerangs)
> breadbox
> Malenkai             (Rule 1 is repealed. #1)
> K 2
> 
>     PRESENT:
> ThinMan              (Rule 1 is repealed. #1)
> 
>     ABSTAINED:
> Vynd                 (Rule 1 is repealed. #1)
> Red Barn
> Bill the pirate king (Boomerangs)
> two-star             (MetaMorph)
> Crackfoo             (Harf)
> 
>     VACATIONING:
> Michael Wren
> 
>     PENDING:
> Hoover 2300
> 
so am i allowed to vote now a simple yes or no
i don't have to form a house or church or a slab of land?

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:53:09 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2640

> Will K 2 be allowed to change eir name to K2 if this passes? Isn't there a
> rule saying that no entity is allowed to have the same primitive form as a
> player's former name? Would this include the name of a player attempting to
> change his name  to something with the same primitive form as eir previous
> name? I think it probably would prevent the name change but I'm not sure.

Hmmm.  Rule 348 says "except that a player may change his name to one that
he previously held".  However, it doesn't say that a player may change eir
name to _match_ one that he previously held.  If this does need to be
fixed, though, I think a CSR might suffice.  Vynd, consider this a
submission.  (I.E. change "to one" to "to match one" in that sentence in
Rule 348...)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Loudon Wainwright III:Fame And Wealth
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
"Stop that rhyming! I mean it!" "Anybody got a peanut?"

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:43:12 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: question

> so am i allowed to vote now a simple yes or no
> i don't have to form a house or church or a slab of land?

You are currently a voting player, since you didn't specify to me upon
joining that you wished to be a non-voting player.  You start out as
"Pending" rather than Active(for historical reasons), but that still
means that you can vote.

To vote, send email to [email-masked] like the following

#vote 9901 y
#vote 9902 n
#vote 9903 y y y - p

This would have you voting YES on Proposals 9901, 9903, 9904, and 9905,
NO on Proposal 9902, PRESENT(sort of an abstaining vote)on Proposal 9907,
and nothing at all on Proposal 9906.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--The Teardrop Explodes:Everybody Wants To Shag...The Teardrop Explodes
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
Ring!  Ring!  Time to pick up the Clue Phone!

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