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acka-research-digest    Saturday, December 6 1997    Volume 02 : Number 191

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 07:52:53 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2423 rejected

On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Results of Proposal 2423
> 
> 6/14 YES votes: Proposal rejected
> > Proposal 2423 - Fri 28 Nov 1997 23:17:34
> > Old Frinking Buddies
> > Slakko (Duncan Richer)

<actual text cut>

I do remember there were some reservations - but why did they cause so
many people to vote no?  Nobody seemed to disagree with the basic
principle that active players should be able to get into the Hall of
Elders - at least not in public.

Yours,
Slakko

 --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 03:03:29 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2448

On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Proposal 2448
> Repealing the Paranormal
> Malenkai (Randy Hall)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal
> 
> {{[even in the unlikely event that your stars are aligned,
> *and* you notice that fact, the likehood of being able to
> use these things is nil anyway.  Have they ever been used in
> the over a year that they have existed?]}}
> 
> ---
> 
> Repeal Rule 1117 "Telepathy, Telekinesis, and Side Effects"
> 

Been there, done that.

> ---
> 
> Amend rule 854, "Ackanomic Institute of Genetic Replication",
> to remove: 
> 
> "
> Telepathy: Cost -- 350 A$. No player may purchase telepathy unless he already 
> owns an Extra head mutation, and at least one Pointy ear mutation. A player
> who has (owns) the telepathy mutation gains the ability to use the power 
> described as telepathy in Rule 1117, but must follow all restrictions
> on and is subject to any side effects of it's use as described in that Rule.
> The Telepathy mutation cannot be removed or destroyed by the W-File pair or
> their alien sedative, however, this takes precedence over Rule 261. 
> 
> Telekinesis -- 500 A$. No player may purchase the Telekinesis mutation 
> unless he already owns an Extra head mutation, at least one Pointy ear
> mutation, and the Telepathy mutation. A player who has (owns) the
> Telekinesis mutation has the ability to use the power described as 
> telekinesis in Rule 1117, but must follow all restrictions on and is
> subject to any side effects of it's use as described in that Rule. 
> The Telekinesis mutation cannot be removed or destroyed by the W-File
> pair or their alien sedative, however, this takes precedence over Rule 261. 
> "
> 
> 

Been there, wrote those.

                               - Vynd, Acka's only telepath

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:03:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2427 accepted

Y'know, I didn't say anything at the time, because not for a moment
did I think that this proposal would actually pass. I thought it was a
joke.

I can only hope everyone was anti-voting.

This proposal completely flouts customary usage for no particularly
good reason.

As luck would have it, though, the only rule it screws up is 1250.3,
which is safely ensconced in the Games & Contests Rule Suite, and so
it cannot provide a Paradox Win. (Otherwise I'd be writing up my CFJ
instead of ranting here.)

ThinMan may want to retract and resubmit proposal 2439, although I
think it may be able to squeak by on "ambiguous or meaningless"
effects. I'd have to look it over more carefully to be sure.

breadbox

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:06:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2427 accepted

> Y'know, I didn't say anything at the time, because not for a moment
> did I think that this proposal would actually pass. I thought it was a
> joke.

Of course, I forgot to mention also that this proposal has absolutely
zero effects, due to the recently passed proposal 2411.

"Never mind."

breadbox
furrfu

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:31:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2423 rejected

> I do remember there were some reservations - but why did they cause
> so many people to vote no?  Nobody seemed to disagree with the basic
> principle that active players should be able to get into the Hall of
> Elders - at least not in public.

I just felt that such honorings should be awarded "posthumously", so
to speak - somewhat similar to the way you have to be dead to get your
profile on a U.S. coin. It feels a little weird to be voting on
someone's Elderhood when they're still around.

breadbox

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:45:40 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2423 rejected

On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Brian Raiter wrote:

> > I do remember there were some reservations - but why did they cause
> > so many people to vote no?  Nobody seemed to disagree with the basic
> > principle that active players should be able to get into the Hall of
> > Elders - at least not in public.
> 
> I just felt that such honorings should be awarded "posthumously", so
> to speak - somewhat similar to the way you have to be dead to get your
> profile on a U.S. coin. It feels a little weird to be voting on
> someone's Elderhood when they're still around.

Well, the US doesn't have that many coins.  I think stamps is the more
appropriate analogy, and the one you are looking for.

Guess what?  In Australia, they have made one exception to the "no living
person on a stamp" rule besides that of the ruling monarch.  Each year
Australia Post will honour a Living Legend by putting their face on a
couple of stamps, issued around about Australia Day.  That was the analogy
I was using.

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 12:46:22 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2453

> Proposal 2453
> Burying The Hatchet With A Strong Shovel

> If at any time Ackanomic's Attitude towards Pumpkin Patch is Neutral,
> this Rule shall repeal itself.

I'm not sure I understand the point of this proposal, unless
there is some sort of scam :-).  Ackanomic's attitude towards
the member of Internomic known as Pumpkin Patch is currently
Neutral.  Barring some change to the rules that occurs
that changes that fact *before* this rule is created,
(the odds of which seem nil), this rule would repeal itself
upon being created.

Malenkai

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:08:16 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2427 accepted

> > Y'know, I didn't say anything at the time, because not for a moment
> > did I think that this proposal would actually pass. I thought it was a
> > joke.

> Of course, I forgot to mention also that this proposal has absolutely
> zero effects, due to the recently passed proposal 2411.

> "Never mind."

Phew!  Of course, this means that Slakko gets no points for it or anything.
(Nor, for that matter, does Malenkai for Proposal 2424, which amended Rule
207...)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Bonnie Raitt:Nick of Time
Current Book--TesseractsQ
Hey Rocky! Watch me pull the Necronomicon out of my hat!

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:14:21 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2453

> > Proposal 2453
> > Burying The Hatchet With A Strong Shovel

> > If at any time Ackanomic's Attitude towards Pumpkin Patch is Neutral,
> > this Rule shall repeal itself.

> I'm not sure I understand the point of this proposal, unless
> there is some sort of scam :-).  Ackanomic's attitude towards
> the member of Internomic known as Pumpkin Patch is currently
> Neutral.  Barring some change to the rules that occurs
> that changes that fact *before* this rule is created,
> (the odds of which seem nil), this rule would repeal itself
> upon being created.

<sigh> This is what I get for trying to take an interest in Internomic
affairs.  For some reason I thought our Attitude was Hostile, but I
suppose I might have been thinking of the Patch's attitude towards us.
I hereby retract Propopsal 2453.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Bonnie Raitt:Nick of Time
Current Book--TesseractsQ
You gotta know when to code 'em, know when to modem.

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:48:23 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2423 rejected

> Well, the US doesn't have that many coins.  I think stamps is the more
> appropriate analogy, and the one you are looking for.
> 
> Guess what?  In Australia, they have made one exception to the "no living
> person on a stamp" rule besides that of the ruling monarch.  Each year
> Australia Post will honour a Living Legend by putting their face on a
> couple of stamps, issued around about Australia Day.  That was the analogy
> I was using.

  I'm not a stamp collector, but the US has an exception, too.  A stamp
made from a poster of real boy scouts.

___Dan_Knapp____The_Mauve_Baron______________________Beep Blip Bonk_______
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Memo to self:  Turn computer off before removing ROM.

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 22:09:52 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2463

On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Proposal 2463
> Sploing
> The Gingham Wearer (Tom Walmsley)
> 
> Modify rule 1209 such that all instances of the term "*ping*" with the
> inverted commas ("") being delimiters only are replaced by the term
> "*sploing*" with the inverted commas ("") being delimiters only
> including the instance of the term in the rule's title.
> 
> 

*sploing*?  Do you actually think this will pass?  Are you familiar with
the long literary tradition of machines that go *ping*?  How many
sentences can I write ending in question marks?  Help, can't anyone make
it stop?

                                 - Vynd

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 21:12:41 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2459

> Proposal 2459
> The Curse of the Bee Ack
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
 
> {{[For those of you who don't know of the B-Ack, I suggest you point your
> browsers at the Literature List.  There it lurks, even now!]}}

Great Harf, he's right!

I hereby designate this proposal Harfy.

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- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Pat Benatar:Seven The Hard Way
Current Book--TesseractsQ
The vixen jumped quickly on her foe barking with zeal.

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