Subject: Ackanomic Research Digest V2 #88
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Ackanomic Research Digest    Monday, June 16 1997    Volume 02 : Number 088

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 01:35:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2086

On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Phil Ackley wrote:
> >> Proposal 2086
> I love this proposal.  I encourage everyoe to vote for it.  And, I promise,
> as your ambassadorial finger, I will make every attempt to conquer the
> nomic world for Ackanomic.
	Before I rush out to cast my vote, does anyone know of a nomic
with a name that actually contains the letters "harf"?

- -- 
Mohammed
A Russian from Juneau saved an American from boredom.

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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:40:25 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2086 

>
>	Before I rush out to cast my vote, does anyone know of a nomic
>with a name that actually contains the letters "harf"?
>

No.  Not yet.  Unless nomic-nomic-bo-bomic has changed its name again
recently (yes, they enjoy changing their name).  But I'm sure the first
step in conquering the nomic world must be to change all of their names to
harf.  Perhaps we need a talented team of negotiators to convince them that
this would be wise.  Perhaps we just need a *REALLY BIG* blue thing.

Mr. Lunatic Fringe
Ambassador

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:52:32 -0700
From: [email-masked] (fnord)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2086

Mr. Lunatic Fringe spake thusly:
> >
> >	Before I rush out to cast my vote, does anyone know of a nomic
> >with a name that actually contains the letters "harf"?
> 
> No.  Not yet.  Unless nomic-nomic-bo-bomic has changed its name again
> recently (yes, they enjoy changing their name).  But I'm sure the first
> step in conquering the nomic world must be to change all of their names to
> harf.  Perhaps we need a talented team of negotiators to convince them that
> this would be wise.  Perhaps we just need a *REALLY BIG* blue thing.

Nah, we just need some really good experitionary forces to join other
nomics, and propose rules to change their names to suitably harfy names.
Then the invasion force can join the expeditionary force in taking
over the nomic, and making them pay homage to the Nomic That Begat Harf,
Ackanomic.

fnord
(did I just say we need to raise an armed force?)

- -- 
Michael J. Thomas                              [email-masked]
"Opinions are falling like drops of rain"  In that case, I'm in a downpour!

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 09:13:35 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Proposal Sections

Vynd wrote:
 
> I have been toying with the idea of clearly defined sections, like
> headers, footers, and body, for Proposals lately. 

I like the idea.  Although strictly not necessary, I believe it
confers 2 benefits:

1) makes the actual game effect of the proposal easier to understand
(for new players especially).

2) as Vynd pointed out, allows "content" like stuff to only apply if
it is in the actual body.  Of course, it will be possoble to put
self-deleting comments in the body as well to try to get content
points, but people won't if they are cool about it.  With some work,
it could be said somewhere that content in comments does not count as
Literature references and the silly phrase, etc.

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 10:52:29 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 2107

> Proposal 2107
> Unburied Treasure

#retract proposal 2107

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 11:18:29 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 2095

> People sometimes ask me why I vote NO so much.  The first thing I look at
> in a proposal is 'how much more work does this create?', and has its
> author considered this, provided for it, and does the work pay off at
> least 1 to 1 in fun.  

I must confess that those are not my major concerns, but I try to be aware
of them.  I do realize that more work is sometimes created, but I tend to
be more than willing to do said work...

> I'm happy that proposal 2008 ("Salary Cap") was rejected, and would
> appreciate it if Acka rejected proposal 2085 ("Modifying the Senate")
> for the same reasons, as discussed previously in public.  It makes
> sense that the offices that do work are *desirable*.  I hope people
> are lining up to do some harfer jobs when /dev/joe leaves.  I cannot do
> any of them.]}}

I'm at the head of the line!  My boss has reassured me that we will muddle
through somehow, so odds are getting to look higher that I will still be
here come August.  I am willing to ease into any harfing duties as /dev/joe
(and the President, whose prerogative I believe it is to approve people for
Functional Offices)wishes.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Paula Abdul:Spellbound
Current Book--Sean Stewart:Clouds End
"Bill _is_ short for William."  [Helen, "Einstein & The Polar Bear"]

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 11:18:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 2096

> Proposal 2096
> Wibble Revisited (or viva McSpong)
> Robert Sevin
> 
> All proposals which are made by the Harfmeister must include an approved
> silly word. The approved list of silly words is as follows: spong, wibble,
> ni!, pheeeeew, zopzop, boing, banana, squawk, thatcher,
> yeenewkleorrrrmeeesseilllllee. 
> 
> [Original Author: Julian Richardson aka Dr McSpong, Proposal 357]

In the week following Acka's first birthday, I re-submitted a handful
of proposals dating from Acka's first two weeks, including this
one. Thus this will be the proposal's third time through the
system. (Though I note that Robert Sevin has replaced the Speaker with
the Harfmeister.)

breadbox

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:22:40 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 2096

> In the week following Acka's first birthday, I re-submitted a handful
> of proposals dating from Acka's first two weeks, including this
> one. Thus this will be the proposal's third time through the
> system. (Though I note that Robert Sevin has replaced the Speaker with
> the Harfmeister.)

Speaking of which, the Harfmeister is now CV1701, since "Amung Gods"
passed, though of course there are a couple of other Harfy proposals in the
queue...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Paula Abdul:Spellbound
Current Book--Sean Stewart:Clouds End
"Oh, yes, dear, it's all nice and paranormal." [Mrs. Clackett, "Noises Off"]

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 15:17:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 2096

Alfvaen wrote:
> Speaking of which, the Harfmeister is now CV1701, since "Amung Gods"
> passed, though of course there are a couple of other Harfy proposals in the
> queue...

CV1701 also became active when P2058's results were posted, triggering the
Whamiols -- 28 days and 19 hours after the last time they were triggered.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:15:03 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 2096

> Alfvaen wrote:
> > Speaking of which, the Harfmeister is now CV1701, since "Amung Gods"
> > passed, though of course there are a couple of other Harfy proposals in the
> > queue...
> 
> CV1701 also became active when P2058's results were posted, triggering the
> Whamiols -- 28 days and 19 hours after the last time they were triggered.

If I'm not mistaken, I saw some votes from karma, who has also thus become 
active...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In The Other Room--Les Miserables:At The End of The Day
Current Book--Sean Stewart:Clouds End
Black sky, blue world, green eyes.  [Shakespear's Sister, "Black Sky"]

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:51:06 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 2115

> Proposal 2115
> I Knew The ***** Was ***** All The Time

I call for a Witchhunt on Mohammed, our Promoter, for daring to distribute
such a heretical proposal.  He hid his name behind an alias, "Acrobot", but
you can tell from the email address that it is him.  (I have *'d out the
offending words, but you can read the original message and satisfy yourself
as to the heresy it contains.)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--The Cars:Drive
Current Book--Sean Stewart:Clouds End
TO BE OR NOT TO BE!.....What was the question again?

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:11:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P2057 accepted (Null Organizations)

> Text of accepted proposal:
> Proposal 2057

> {{
>    1) All Organizations with no members are disbanded. [at least "The Band"]
>    2) If proposal 2052 was accepted, the Narfalone Family is disbanded,
> if such an Organization exists. [I believe it will still exist, as neither
> a rule or player-sanctioned org.]
> }}

The Band and also BAKER are disbanded by 1).
The A$11 owned by the Narfalone Family is transferred to the treasury
when it is disbanded.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:21:37 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka:  P2057 accepted (Null Organizations)

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> Text of accepted proposal:
> Proposal 2057

> {{
>    1) All Organizations with no members are disbanded. [at least "The Band"]
>    2) If proposal 2052 was accepted, the Narfalone Family is disbanded,
> if such an Organization exists. [I believe it will still exist, as neither
> a rule or player-sanctioned org.]
> }}

The Band and also BAKER are disbanded by 1).
The A$11 owned by the Narfalone Family is transferred to the treasury
when it is disbanded.

/dev/joe

The band can't be disbanded cuz' I just joined it two days ago before this proposal was passed

- -Karma (playin' a zither)

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:31:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 2096

Alfvaen wrote:
> If I'm not mistaken, I saw some votes from karma, who has also thus become 
> active...

You are correct; he became active on P2047 Friday; I missed it.

This means the scores Malenkai used for the end-of-cycle bonuses and
the Archaeologist determination (in the thread where Malenkai won the cycle)
are wrong.

On today's batch of proposal results, he should be listed as abstaining
but he is not listed.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:34:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P2060 rejected (Frivolous E-mail) 

>Votes cast by active players:  19 / 21 = 90.476190%
>Yes:  1    No:  16     Present:  2   ...Proposal rejected.

Ackanomic (ah-ka-no-mee-k), n.
cyberentity that spawned harf as world philosophy; frivolous.

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:46:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P2061 accepted (The Whistle Recedes In The Distance) 

>Votes cast by active players:  18 / 21 = 85.714286%
>Yes:  20    No:  0     Present:  0   ...Proposal accepted.

Should anything happen because of this unanimous passage? In the good old
days, when I was young and the young respected their elders, such rare
things were noticed.

CnH

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:49:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P2061 accepted (The Whistle Recedes In The Distance)

> >Votes cast by active players:  18 / 21 = 85.714286%
> >Yes:  20    No:  0     Present:  0   ...Proposal accepted.
> 
> Should anything happen because of this unanimous passage? In the good old
> days, when I was young and the young respected their elders, such rare
> things were noticed.

These day, only non-Modest proposals that pass unanimously do fun(ky) stuff.
P2061 was modest.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:04:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P2057 accepted (Null Organizations)

> The Band and also BAKER are disbanded by 1).
> The A$11 owned by the Narfalone Family is transferred to the treasury
> when it is disbanded.
> 
> /dev/joe

Karma responded:
> The band can't be disbanded cuz' I just joined it two days ago before this
> proposal was passed

I looked but I couldn't find a message where you joined The Band.
In any case, the members of the org would have to make an org action to
accept you, and there are none so you can't possibly join.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:40:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P2060 rejected (Frivolous E-mail) 

>>Votes cast by active players:  19 / 21 = 90.476190%
>>Yes:  1    No:  16     Present:  2   ...Proposal rejected.
>
>Ackanomic (ah-ka-no-mee-k), n.
>cyberentity that spawned harf as world philosophy; frivolous.

More blasphemous claims that Ackanomic is in some way the source of harf.
Oh, the humanity...

Robert Sevin

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:40:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P2061 accepted (The Whistle Recedes In The Distance) 

At 09:46 PM 6/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>Votes cast by active players:  18 / 21 = 85.714286%
>>Yes:  20    No:  0     Present:  0   ...Proposal accepted.
>
>Should anything happen because of this unanimous passage? In the good old
>days, when I was young and the young respected their elders, such rare
>things were noticed.

No, because it was modest.

Robert Sevin

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:01:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P2060 rejected (Frivolous E-mail) 

At 10:40 PM 15-06-97 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Votes cast by active players:  19 / 21 = 90.476190%
>>>Yes:  1    No:  16     Present:  2   ...Proposal rejected.
>>
>>Ackanomic (ah-ka-no-mee-k), n.
>>cyberentity that spawned harf as world philosophy; frivolous.
>
>More blasphemous claims that Ackanomic is in some way the source of harf.
>Oh, the humanity...

First, my qualifier was "as a world philosophy", we all know your brother
invented the raw concept.

And anyway History rarely gets things right, as it is written by those who
can write it. We all know Acka will take over the world so...

CnH

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