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acka-games-digest       Tuesday, August 11 1998       Volume 03 : Number 186

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:12:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Viruses Round 13 ends

Somewhat belatedly, here are the moves for round 13 (not 14 like I jumped
the gun at saying in my last results message):

Moves for round 13:
@ Player    moves
* two-star  no move
A Alfvaen   no move
G MTM       no move
N Niccolo   no move
R Rex Mundi P 28 69
S Slakko    P 23 75

New grid:

    1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 
    4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 

 65 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   65
 66 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   66
 67 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . R . . . . . . . .   67
 68 . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ . R . . . . . . .   68
 69 . . . . . . . . . . . . R @ . . . R R . . . .   69
 70 . . . . . . . . . . . . . R R . . R R . . . .   70
 71 . . . . . . A A A . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   71
 72 . . . . . A . . A . . . . . . . . R R . . . .   72
 73 . . . . . A . . . A . . . . . . @ . R @ . . .   73
 74 . . . . . @ . . . . A . . . . . N . . . . . .   74
 75 . . . . G . . . . . . A . . . N N . @ . . . .   75
 76 . . . G G G @ . . . A . . . . . . N . . . . .   76
 77 . . G G . G . A A A . . . . . . . . . . . . .   77
 78 . . . G G . . . A . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   78
 79 . . . . . . . . . A . . . . . . . * . * . . .   79
 80 . . . . . . . . . * @ * . . . . . . . . * . .   80
 81 . . . . . . . * . * . . . . . G G @ @ . . . .   81
 82 . . . . . . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . S . .   82
 83 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . G @ @ S S . .   83
 84 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . G G . S . . .   84
 85 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   85
 86 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   86

    1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 
    4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 

Alfvaen got a viruspoint this round.

@ Player    viruses  viruspoints
A Alfvaen      15         6
G MTM          14         1
R Rex Mundi    12         0
* two-star      7         0
N Niccolo F     4         0
S Slakko        4         1

Round 14 begins now.  Send in your moves.

/dev/joe
Referee

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:01:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Single Capture Go Duel (JT vs. J. M. Bear)

JT played D4; J. M. Bear played A4

  1 2 3 4 5
A . . . M .
B . . M T .
C . . T M .
D . . . T .
E . . . . .

You can all see where this is going, can't you?

Next(and most likely last)round starts now.

(What did we decide last time this happened?  The Duel ends but nobody
gets any points?)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Concrete Blonde:Dance Along The Edge
Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:Shadow's End
Bite the wax tadpole.

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:01:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Eleusis G2R1 (K 2)

Attila the Pun played the Jack of Diamonds.  To no one's surprise, this is
a correct play.  (But what happened to the spirit of scientific enquiry?
We _might_ not be in Sudden Death mode...:-)

It is now K 2's turn.

Players and Scores:
    Alfvaen         : 0  ( 0 cards) (Deus)
    Attila the Pun  : 0  (18 cards)
  * K 2             : 0  (22 cards)
    Fortunato       : 0  (18 cards)
    Robin Hood      : 0  (18 cards) [ substituting for Ayla ]
    Robert Sevin    : 0  (13 cards)
    JT              : 0  (11 cards)
(* denotes whose turn it is to play -- play will be entered only after Deus
   and prophet respond to the play)

Card ranks:
The cards in each suit are ranked A-K with Ace low(values 1-13).
There are no Wild cards.

Correct Plays            | Incorrect plays
- -------------------------+------------------------------------------------------
  8 D (starter)          |
  8 H (Attila the Pun)   | 9 S (K 2)
  6 H (Fortunato[+])     | 6 S (Ayla)
  6 H (Robert Sevin)     | 
  7 H (JT)               | 5 H (Attila the Pun), 9 D (K 2)
* 6 C (Fortunato)        |
  2 C (Ayla)             | 6 C (Robert Sevin), 2 S (JT)
  2 H (Attila the Pun[+])| 2 D (K 2)
  J C (Fortunato)        |
  A H (Ayla)             | 9 S (Robert Sevin)
  K H (JT)               |*2 H (Attila the Pun)
  4 C (K 2)              | Q D (Fortunato)
! Q S (Ayla)             |
  3 C (Robert Sevin)     |
  3 H (JT)               |
  K C (Attila the Pun)   | K S (K 2), A C (Fortunato)
  7 D (Robert Sevin)     |*8 D (JT), 4 H (Attila the Pun)
  Q S (K 2[+])           |!6 D (Fortunato), 4 H (Robert Sevin)
  3 C (JT)               |
?10 D (Attila the Pun[+])|10 S (K 2[#])
  J D (Fortunato)        | 2 H (Ayla[#])
* 3 C (Robert Sevin[#])  |
 10 D (JT)               |
  J D (Attila the Pun)   |

[+] - Invalid "No Play", card selected by Deus or Prophet
[#] - no play posted, card picked randomly
 *  - marks every tenth card
 !  - prophet (and every tenth card thereafter)
 ?  - removal of prophet

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Massive Attack:Day Dreaming
Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:Shadow's End
If the dictionary misspelled a word, how could we tell?

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:45:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Single Capture Go Duel (JT vs. J. M. Bear)

At 02:01 11/08/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>
>JT played D4; J. M. Bear played A4
>
>  1 2 3 4 5
>A . . . M .
>B . . M T .
>C . . T M .
>D . . . T .
>E . . . . .
>
>You can all see where this is going, can't you?
>
>Next(and most likely last)round starts now.
>
>(What did we decide last time this happened?  The Duel ends but nobody
>gets any points?)

Last time it happened we ignored the problem and hoped it would go away. I
think a rule change is probably in order.

MTM.

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:56:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis G2R1

> I leave this game of Eleusis.

Interestingly enough, the section of the Eleusis rule called "Joining and
Leaving the game." does not address the issue of what happens when a
player actually leaves the game.  I presume that, since e is not just
going Inactive, there is no possibility of a substitute.  The biggest
question, to me, is what happens to eir cards.

For that matter, it occurs to me to wonder, in a successful "No Play",
what happens to those cards?  If I have six cards and "No Play", do
those six cards get counted against the tally?  If not, how many do?
Do they go back into the deck?  :-)

I'm going to play for now as if K 2's cards don't go back into the deck,
since we're now ruled to be in Sudden Death and thus the round should
hopefully not last much longer, at least once people run out of cards to
keep repeating the last three or four plays.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Alanis Morisette:Jagged Little Pill
Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:Shadow's End
God is good, God is great, God's a big invertebrate

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:59:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Eleusis: G2R1 (Fortunato)

K 2 left the game, so I imagine it's now Fortunato's turn.  And we are
definitely(unless the CFJ gets appealed, or the game gets changed to
follow new rules)in sudden death.

Players and Scores:
    Alfvaen         : 0  ( 0 cards) (Deus)
    Attila the Pun  : 0  (18 cards)
    K 2             : 0  ( 0 cards) [ left the game ]
  * Fortunato       : 0  (18 cards)
    Robin Hood      : 0  (18 cards) [ substituting for Ayla ]
    Robert Sevin    : 0  (13 cards)
    JT              : 0  (11 cards)
(* denotes whose turn it is to play -- play will be entered only after Deus
   and prophet respond to the play)

Card ranks:
The cards in each suit are ranked A-K with Ace low(values 1-13).
There are no Wild cards.

Correct Plays            | Incorrect plays
- -------------------------+------------------------------------------------------
  8 D (starter)          |
  8 H (Attila the Pun)   | 9 S (K 2)
  6 H (Fortunato[+])     | 6 S (Ayla)
  6 H (Robert Sevin)     | 
  7 H (JT)               | 5 H (Attila the Pun), 9 D (K 2)
* 6 C (Fortunato)        |
  2 C (Ayla)             | 6 C (Robert Sevin), 2 S (JT)
  2 H (Attila the Pun[+])| 2 D (K 2)
  J C (Fortunato)        |
  A H (Ayla)             | 9 S (Robert Sevin)
  K H (JT)               |*2 H (Attila the Pun)
  4 C (K 2)              | Q D (Fortunato)
! Q S (Ayla)             |
  3 C (Robert Sevin)     |
  3 H (JT)               |
  K C (Attila the Pun)   | K S (K 2), A C (Fortunato)
  7 D (Robert Sevin)     |*8 D (JT), 4 H (Attila the Pun)
  Q S (K 2[+])           |!6 D (Fortunato), 4 H (Robert Sevin)
  3 C (JT)               |
?10 D (Attila the Pun[+])|10 S (K 2[#])
  J D (Fortunato)        | 2 H (Ayla[#])
* 3 C (Robert Sevin[#])  |
 10 D (JT)               |
  J D (Attila the Pun)   |

[+] - Invalid "No Play", card selected by Deus or Prophet
[#] - no play posted, card picked randomly
 *  - marks every tenth card
 !  - prophet (and every tenth card thereafter)
 ?  - removal of prophet

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Alanis Morisette:Jagged Little Pill
Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:Shadow's End
Sorry for not writing sooner. I died last week.

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:30:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Single Capture Go Duel (JT vs. J. M. Bear)

> >You can all see where this is going, can't you?
> >Next(and most likely last)round starts now.
> >(What did we decide last time this happened?  The Duel ends but nobody
> >gets any points?)
>
> Last time it happened we ignored the problem and hoped it would go away. I
> think a rule change is probably in order.
> MTM

I think it's allowed to change the game since it cannot be won
under the rules describing the game. Please don't choose any
game which relies on English as mother tongue. Alfvaen, which
game would you like?

JMB

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:35:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis G2R1

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>> I leave this game of Eleusis.
>
>Interestingly enough, the section of the Eleusis rule called "Joining and
>Leaving the game." does not address the issue of what happens when a
>player actually leaves the game.  I presume that, since e is not just
>going Inactive, there is no possibility of a substitute.  The biggest
>question, to me, is what happens to eir cards.

Heh.. he should probably be replaced by a bot that performs the default
action, and I should probably (once again) fix that section of the rules
eh?  (this is why I wanted to playtest the game to find exactly these
sorts of rules bugs)

>For that matter, it occurs to me to wonder, in a successful "No Play",
>what happens to those cards?  If I have six cards and "No Play", do
>those six cards get counted against the tally?  If not, how many do?
>Do they go back into the deck?  :-)

No.. no card was played therefore no cards are added to the tally.
The 6 cards get discarded and 2 cards would be dealt to the player of a
successful no-play.

>I'm going to play for now as if K 2's cards don't go back into the deck,
>since we're now ruled to be in Sudden Death and thus the round should
>hopefully not last much longer, at least once people run out of cards to
>keep repeating the last three or four plays.  :-)

With K2 having left, you should probably (for sake of harfing if nothing
else) treat it as if the bot takes over (permissability of the
unregulated?).  It is certainly how it should work, and I'll propose a fix
to the rules which formulates it.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:37:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Single Capture Go Duel (JT vs. J. M. Bear)

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Frank Schmidt wrote:
>I think it's allowed to change the game since it cannot be won
>under the rules describing the game. Please don't choose any
>game which relies on English as mother tongue. Alfvaen, which
>game would you like?

I would certainly agree to choosing another game, however, it should be
your choice of game, not Alfvaen's.  If you forfeit the choice, the choice
should be mine since I'm your opponent :)

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:56:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Eleusis: G2R1 (Fortunato)

4S

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	[email-masked] [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Tuesday, August 11, 1998 8:59 AM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Eleusis: G2R1 (Fortunato)
>
>
>
>K 2 left the game, so I imagine it's now Fortunato's turn.  And we are
>definitely(unless the CFJ gets appealed, or the game gets changed to
>follow new rules)in sudden death.
>
>
>Players and Scores:
>    Alfvaen         : 0  ( 0 cards) (Deus)
>    Attila the Pun  : 0  (18 cards)
>    K 2             : 0  ( 0 cards) [ left the game ]
>  * Fortunato       : 0  (18 cards)
>    Robin Hood      : 0  (18 cards) [ substituting for Ayla ]
>    Robert Sevin    : 0  (13 cards)
>    JT              : 0  (11 cards)
>(* denotes whose turn it is to play -- play will be entered only after Deus
>   and prophet respond to the play)
>
>Card ranks:
>The cards in each suit are ranked A-K with Ace low(values 1-13).
>There are no Wild cards.
>
>Correct Plays            | Incorrect plays
>-------------------------+---------------------------------------------------
>---
>  8 D (starter)          |
>  8 H (Attila the Pun)   | 9 S (K 2)
>  6 H (Fortunato[+])     | 6 S (Ayla)
>  6 H (Robert Sevin)     | 
>  7 H (JT)               | 5 H (Attila the Pun), 9 D (K 2)
>* 6 C (Fortunato)        |
>  2 C (Ayla)             | 6 C (Robert Sevin), 2 S (JT)
>  2 H (Attila the Pun[+])| 2 D (K 2)
>  J C (Fortunato)        |
>  A H (Ayla)             | 9 S (Robert Sevin)
>  K H (JT)               |*2 H (Attila the Pun)
>  4 C (K 2)              | Q D (Fortunato)
>! Q S (Ayla)             |
>  3 C (Robert Sevin)     |
>  3 H (JT)               |
>  K C (Attila the Pun)   | K S (K 2), A C (Fortunato)
>  7 D (Robert Sevin)     |*8 D (JT), 4 H (Attila the Pun)
>  Q S (K 2[+])           |!6 D (Fortunato), 4 H (Robert Sevin)
>  3 C (JT)               |
>?10 D (Attila the Pun[+])|10 S (K 2[#])
>  J D (Fortunato)        | 2 H (Ayla[#])
>* 3 C (Robert Sevin[#])  |
> 10 D (JT)               |
>  J D (Attila the Pun)   |
>
>[+] - Invalid "No Play", card selected by Deus or Prophet
>[#] - no play posted, card picked randomly
> *  - marks every tenth card
> !  - prophet (and every tenth card thereafter)
> ?  - removal of prophet
>
>
>--
>--Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
>Current Album--Alanis Morisette:Jagged Little Pill
>Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:Shadow's End
>Sorry for not writing sooner. I died last week.

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:04:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: WUA Resurrection

On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
>> > However, I can do little to ensure that Slakko (I think; Atp and else...if
>> > left, and Koxie's on vacation) links from "sports" in round (I think) 15;
>> > that's up to em.
>> 
>> The link word is "may".
>Apologies - that should be the uh? word is "may".

I leave this game of WUA.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:45:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Viruses Round 13 ends

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> Round 14 begins now.  Send in your moves.
P 36 82

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, Clerk of the Court, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:19:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Single Capture Go Duel (JT vs. J. M. Bear)

JT schrieb:

> On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Frank Schmidt wrote:
> >I think it's allowed to change the game since it cannot be won
> >under the rules describing the game. Please don't choose any
> >game which relies on English as mother tongue. Alfvaen, which
> >game would you like?
>
> I would certainly agree to choosing another game, however, it should be
> your choice of game, not Alfvaen's.  If you forfeit the choice, the choice
> should be mine since I'm your opponent :)
> --JT

OK, I choose Viruses then. *sigh*
JMB

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:11:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Viruses Round 13 ends

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> 
> > Round 14 begins now.  Send in your moves.
> P 36 82

I give A$10 to the Twits.
I apply for membership in the Twits.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, Clerk of the Court, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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