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acka-games-digest         Friday, May 29 1998         Volume 03 : Number 114

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:54:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost (Alfvaen 'n' JT)

> On Thu, 28 May 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
> >> >Since it worked last time, I play 'v'.  :-)

> >> I play 'vi'

> >I play 'viz'.

> I play 'iviz'.

I challenge that this is not in a word.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--The The:Mind Bomb
Current Book--Robert Jordan:The Shadow Rising
Help!  I'm parked diagonally in a parallel universe.

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 02:04:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost (Alfvaen 'n' JT)

On Fri, 29 May 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 May 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>> >> >Since it worked last time, I play 'v'.  :-)
>> >> I play 'vi'
>> >I play 'viz'.
>> I play 'iviz'.
>I challenge that this is not in a word.

The word is 'objectivize'

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 02:39:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost (Alfvaen 'n' Slakko)

On Thu, 28 May 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> Slakko wrote:
> > In the Ghost game described above, I start this round by playing 'v'.
> 
> Great as the lure of parallelism is, I will instead play 'vy'.

I play 'avy'.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 04:26:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Ghost Duel Resolution

Hmm... to my great regret, Alfvaen appears to have vanquished JT.

Objectivize is not to be found in any of the three www-based dictionaries
specified in rule 1250, which are the three on Slakko's subgames page.
However, there seems to be an elusive 'Official Dictionary of Ackanomic'
which I can't find (which is supposed to be defined by the Spelling
Exchequer?), and i can't make the telnet dictionaries work. (Ok,
Ok, *I* can't work the telnet dictionaries).

Can anyone tell me what I am supposed to do, or can I assume that if it
isn't in the three on Slakko's page it's not in the official dictionary.

Irritatingly, it is in the Wordsmyth English Dictionary-Thesaurus,
http://www.lightlink.com/bobp/wedt/

I've spent 40 minutes trying to get the telnet ones to work. I am
not a computer programmer though so am limited to common sense (and
sometimes I don't even get that).

Help!

Koxvolio

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 04:40:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost Duel Resolution

On Fri, 29 May 1998, Ian K. wrote:

> Hmm... to my great regret, Alfvaen appears to have vanquished JT.
> 
> Objectivize is not to be found in any of the three www-based dictionaries
> specified in rule 1250, which are the three on Slakko's subgames page.
> However, there seems to be an elusive 'Official Dictionary of Ackanomic'
> which I can't find (which is supposed to be defined by the Spelling
> Exchequer?), and i can't make the telnet dictionaries work. (Ok,
> Ok, *I* can't work the telnet dictionaries).
> 
> Can anyone tell me what I am supposed to do, or can I assume that if it
> isn't in the three on Slakko's page it's not in the official dictionary.

Those three dictionaries are the Fictionary Dictionaries.

The two dictionaries listed in the Misc. section of the full index (or on
the Misc. page) are the ones to use in this case.  The second dictionary
(the telnet one) has the problem that the other end does not echo back
your characters - so you need to enable "Local Echo" in your telnet
client.  I've checked it - objectivize is not acceptable in that one
either.

The unabridged dictionary word list (in gzipped form) does include
objectivize.  If you want, I'll set up a copy of it in my main Acka
directory, with the filename unabridged.txt
This should make checking a lot easier.

> 
> Irritatingly, it is in the Wordsmyth English Dictionary-Thesaurus,
> http://www.lightlink.com/bobp/wedt/
> 
> I've spent 40 minutes trying to get the telnet ones to work. I am
> not a computer programmer though so am limited to common sense (and
> sometimes I don't even get that).
> 
> Help!
> 
> Koxvolio
> 
> 

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 04:52:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost Duel Resolution

> Hmm... to my great regret, Alfvaen appears to have vanquished JT.
> 
> Objectivize is not to be found in any of the three www-based dictionaries
> specified in rule 1250, which are the three on Slakko's subgames page.
> However, there seems to be an elusive 'Official Dictionary of Ackanomic'
> which I can't find (which is supposed to be defined by the Spelling
> Exchequer?),

I seem to have been delinquent in setting up a proper web page for the
Official Dictionary of Ackanomic. In any case, I can tell you that it
certainly does not contain objectivize.

> and i can't make the telnet dictionaries work. (Ok, Ok, *I* can't
> work the telnet dictionaries).

So far no one has said exactly what sort of problems they have had
with marldoom, so I don't know what to tell you. I am aware that few
web browsers have telnet built in, so you usually have to have a
separate telnet program and configure the web browser (or just run it
yourself, which is likely to be easier).

Here's a copy of my session; maybe seeing it will help:

$ telnet eel.st.usm.edu 7777
 Trying 131.95.115.205...
 Connected to eel.st.usm.edu.
 Escape character is '^]'.
 <!--
 MarlDOoM Login
 Welcome to MarlDOoM.
 Enter `help' for help.
 Tapez `langue francais' pour service en francais.
 DOoM news http://www.math.utoronto.ca/jjchew/doom/tidings.html updated
 980301.
ospd objectivize
 connector_1 checks OBJECTIVIZE in TWL98.
 The word is unacceptable.
quit
 Connection closed by foreign host.

In any case, there may be a better solution. I have recently (before
the crisis) downloaded a collection of gargantuan wordlists from the
Moby Project. One of them claims to be the Official Scrabble
Dictionary 2 - i.e., presumably the same as the marldoom. Once things
are back to normal around here, we could switch to using this
wordlist. I would make it available for download here, and it wouldn't
be much trouble to create a web form for doing lookups on it.

breadbox

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:59:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Ghost Duel Resolved

(OK - Thanks to Slakko and breadbox for suggestions.)

Objectivize is a word in the 1st Official Dictionary, therefore it is a
word, therefore Alfvaen's challenge fails.

Therefore e (Alfvaen) is removed from the game, therefore JT wins the
game, and therefore wins the duel as well.

Therefore everything is resolved. Therefore. I think.

Koxvolio

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:19:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost Duel Resolved

> Therefore everything is resolved. Therefore. I think.

Therefore you are.

MTM.

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:05:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost Duel Resolution

On Fri, 29 May 1998, Ian K. wrote:
>Objectivize is not to be found in any of the three www-based dictionaries
>specified in rule 1250, which are the three on Slakko's subgames page.
>However, there seems to be an elusive 'Official Dictionary of Ackanomic'
>which I can't find (which is supposed to be defined by the Spelling
>Exchequer?), and i can't make the telnet dictionaries work. (Ok,
>Ok, *I* can't work the telnet dictionaries).
>
>Can anyone tell me what I am supposed to do, or can I assume that if it
>isn't in the three on Slakko's page it's not in the official dictionary.
>
>Irritatingly, it is in the Wordsmyth English Dictionary-Thesaurus,
>http://www.lightlink.com/bobp/wedt/

It is also (I checked this morning) in the Unabr.dict.gz zip file which
has been used as a valid word list for other things before (not sure if
it's valid for this though).

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:24:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - Mr. Tambourine Man's play

> Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
>
- -----------------------+------------------------------------------------------

>  K S (starter)         |
>  Q S (/dev/joe)        |
>  6 S (TGW)             |
>  3 S (else...if)       |
>  4 C (/dev/joe)        |
>  4 D (TGW)             |
>  5 D (else...if)       |
>  6 D (/dev/joe)        | 5 H (TGW)
>  Q D (else...if acting)|
>  Q H (/dev/joe [*])    | K S (TGW) 8 H (else...if acting)
>  K H (/dev/joe)        |
>  A H (TGW)             | J H (else...if) A C (/dev/joe)
>  2 S (TGW)             |
>  7 S (else...if)       | A S (/dev/joe) 9 S (TGW [*]) J S (else...if)
>                        | 5 S (/dev/joe) 6 C (TGW) 10 C (else...if)
> 10 H (/dev/joe)        |
>  K H (TGW)             | A C (else...if) 3 H (/dev/joe) A S (TGW)
>  A H (else...if[*])    |
>  2 C (/dev/joe)        | 7 D (TGW) 10 C (else...if) 2 H (/dev/joe)
>  3 C (TGW)             | J C (else...if)
>  4 D (/dev/joe)        | 4 S (TGW) 5 S (else...if)
>  4 H (/dev/joe[*])

8 of hearts.

Mr. Tambourine Man.

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:08:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - Mr. Tambourine Man's play

On Fri, 29 May 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> >  4 D (/dev/joe)        | 4 S (TGW) 5 S (else...if)
> >  4 H (/dev/joe[*])
> 
> 8 of hearts.

Yes.

Hint 3: I've given you your third hint already.  Last message, in fact.

And that's all I have to say, except to apologize for this round.  I hope
the next Deus is more prudent.

- -Hubert

I poured Spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:30:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: WUA round 11

My sincerest apologies for my inexcusable absences from Acka recently,
which have forced me to default out of the Ghost game (just when I had a
word that would have eliminated both Alfvaen and Slakko simultaneously)
and take longer than necessary in announcing the continuation (if such is
indeed to happen) of Word Un-Association.

I never saw a new uh? word in Round 10 from else...if.  If e sent one, I
apologize, but otherwise e loses 3 points and the game stands as so:

Scores are:
Koxvolio 10
Slakko 8
JT 7 (Slakko is most probably correct here; I can't fault eir reasoning)
TGW 5
rufus 1
AtP -1
else...if -1

And I certainly hope Koxvolio will be up to the unenviable task of linking
from "llano" in round 12

- -Hubert, wondering if e should allow "sounds like" links

I poured Spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone. 

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:47:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: WUA round 11

>I never saw a new uh? word in Round 10 from else...if.  If e sent one, I
>apologize, but otherwise e loses 3 points and the game stands as so:
	Uh...it was my turn?  I leave WUA.

- --
- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:51:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Raquel Peres da Silva" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Game of Pure Skill 1 - Round 12

Round		| 7	| 8	| 9		| 10		| 11	| 12
Prize		| 8S	| AS	| 7S		| QS		| 5S	| 4S
Pandora's bid	| 3H	| 7H	| 8H		| KH *		| 5H	|
Koxvolio's bid	| 7D *	| 9D	| JD		| 3D		| 5D *	|
JM's bid		| JC	| 5C	| 9C		| 6C		| 7C	|
Winner		| JM	| JM	| Koxvolio	| Pandora	| JM	|

* Indicates a randomic card picked by the referee, because the player
failed to send eir bid on time.

So far, the score is:

Pandora ..........	25
Koxvolio ..........	21
JM Bear ..........	26

Yours,

Ayla
Priestess of the Order of the Razor Boomerangs
Priestess of the Church of the Evil Ballot Stuffer

Law of Cat Sleeping: All cats must sleep with people whenever possible, in
a position as uncomfortable for the people involved as is possible for the
cat.

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:52:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - else...if's play

Players and Scores:
    Hubert    : 0 gamepoints ( 0 cards) (Deus)
    /dev/joe  : 0 gamepoints (10 cards)
    TGW       : 0 gamepoints (14 cards)
  * else...if : 0 gamepoints (17 cards)
(* denotes who's turn it is to play -- play will be entered only after Deus
   and prophet respond to the play)
[TGW is Mr. Tambourine Man so that I had less editing to do]

NOTE: Incorrect plays now cause the player to drop out of the round.

Card ranks:
The cards in each suit are ranked A-2 with Ace high.
Wild cards are ranked below 2's.

Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
- -----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
 K S (starter)         |
 Q S (/dev/joe)        |
 6 S (TGW)             |
 3 S (else...if)       |
 4 C (/dev/joe)        |
 4 D (TGW)             |
 5 D (else...if)       |
 6 D (/dev/joe)        | 5 H (TGW)
 Q D (else...if acting)|
 Q H (/dev/joe [*])    | K S (TGW) 8 H (else...if acting)
 K H (/dev/joe)        |
 A H (TGW)             | J H (else...if) A C (/dev/joe)
 2 S (TGW)             |
 7 S (else...if)       | A S (/dev/joe) 9 S (TGW [*]) J S (else...if)
                       | 5 S (/dev/joe) 6 C (TGW) 10 C (else...if)
10 H (/dev/joe)        |
 K H (TGW)             | A C (else...if) 3 H (/dev/joe) A S (TGW)
 A H (else...if[*])    |
 2 C (/dev/joe)        | 7 D (TGW) 10 C (else...if) 2 H (/dev/joe)
 3 C (TGW)             | J C (else...if)
 4 D (/dev/joe)        | 4 S (TGW) 5 S (else...if)
 4 H (/dev/joe[*])     |
 8 H (TGW)             |

[*] every 10th card after the starter is marked while there is no prophet

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:53:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Raquel Peres da Silva" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis G2R1 (Ayla)

> > > K 2 has failed to submit a play in time.  As such, I am revealing eir
> > > cards here:
> 
> > > K 2:
> > > QS QS 10S
> > > QH 10H 10H 9H 8H 7H
> > > 8D 7D 4D 4D 4D AD
> > > QC 7C
> 
> > > It is now up to Prophet Ayla to determine whether it was in fact
proper
> > > to play "No Play" at this time.
> 
> > No, it wasn't.
> 
> Correctimundo.
> 
> > > If e declares it was not, and I approve of this, then e must pick a
card
> > > to play, which I must also approve.  It was so much simpler when it
was
> > > just me... :-)
> 
> > Does it mean that I can't pick one of eir cards to play until you
approve
> > my "no, it wasn't" statement? OK... I'll be waiting for you.
> 
> That was how I read the Rule, anyway.  So now that I have approved it,
you
> can pick a card.  Choose wisely.  :-)

I pick the QS.

Yours,

Ayla
Priestess of the Order of the Razor Boomerangs
Priestess of the Church of the Evil Ballot Stuffer

Law of Cat Sleeping: All cats must sleep with people whenever possible, in
a position as uncomfortable for the people involved as is possible for the
cat.

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