Subject: acka-games-digest V3 #88
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acka-games-digest         Friday, May 1 1998         Volume 03 : Number 088

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 00:04:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka; Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - Else...if's play

On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Towsner wrote:

> >Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
> >-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
> > K S (starter)         |
> > Q S (/dev/joe)        |
> > 6 S (TGW)             |
> > 3 S (else...if)       |
> > 4 C (/dev/joe)        |
> > 4 D (TGW)             |
> > 5 D (else...if)       |
> > 6 D (/dev/joe)        | 5 H (TGW)
> > Q D (else...if acting)|
> > Q H (/dev/joe) [*]    | K S (TGW) 8 H (else...if acting)
> > K H (/dev/joe)        |
> > A H (TGW)             | J H (else...if) A C (/dev/joe)
> > 2 S (TGW)             |
> > 7 S (else...if)       | A S (/dev/joe) 9 S (TGW)
> >
> >[*] every 10th card after the starter is marked while there is no prophet
> 
> 	Oh the pressure.  I play JS.

Nope.  Am I allowed to give hints?

- -Hubert

There are three kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't. 

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 04:53:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (L'homme a tete de choux)
Subject: Acka: Game of Pure Confusion

J.M. Bear spake:
>I am starting another instance of the Game of Pure Skill.
>If possible, I'd like to play the one and referee another, and you
>could do the same in the other direction.
>(From what I got, the following people want to play:
>Pandora, Koxvolio, Ayla, Alfvaen, JT. Plus me that makes 6, and
>each game has 3 players and a referee...)

Ayla only wants to referee, so that makes only five players so far -- space for
one more, whoever shouts first.

I'm not sure who bagged the last place in game 1, Alfvaen or JT, but since
J.M.Bear wants to referee one and play another, perhaps the best way to divide
it up would be as follows:

Game 1:
Pandora
Koxvolio
Ayla (Referee)
J.M. Bear

Game 2:
Alfvaen
JT Traub
J.M. Bear (Referee)
<space>

OK?

Game 1 can start whenever Ayla is ready, Game 2 is awaiting 1 more player.

Pandora

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 11:10:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - /dev/joe's play

Players and Scores:
    Hubert    : 0 gamepoints ( 0 cards) (Deus)
  * /dev/joe  : 0 gamepoints (11 cards)
    TGW       : 0 gamepoints (13 cards)
    else...if : 0 gamepoints (13 cards)
(* denotes who's turn it is to play -- play will be entered only after Deus
   and prophet respond to the play)

Card ranks:
The cards in each suit are ranked A-2 with Ace high.
Wild cards are ranked below 2's.

Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
- -----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
 K S (starter)         |
 Q S (/dev/joe)        |
 6 S (TGW)             |
 3 S (else...if)       |
 4 C (/dev/joe)        |
 4 D (TGW)             |
 5 D (else...if)       |
 6 D (/dev/joe)        | 5 H (TGW)
 Q D (else...if acting)|
 Q H (/dev/joe [*])    | K S (TGW) 8 H (else...if acting)
 K H (/dev/joe)        |
 A H (TGW)             | J H (else...if) A C (/dev/joe)
 2 S (TGW)             |
 7 S (else...if)       | A S (/dev/joe) 9 S (TGW [*]) J S (else...if)

[*] every 10th card after the starter is marked while there is no prophet

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 11:25:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka; Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - Else...if's play

Hubert wrote:
>Nope.  Am I allowed to give hints?

Well, hints aren't regulated under the current rules, so I'd say you could.
The original game allowed a hint when the cards were dealt only.  I'm
certainly willing to propose a rule change which makes hints explicitly
legal, but for now I'd say, go for it :)
(of course, someone else might contradict me, but that's their right :)

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 11:40:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - /dev/joe's play

> Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
> -----------------------+---------------------------------------------------
>  K S (starter)         |
>  Q S (/dev/joe)        |
>  6 S (TGW)             |
>  3 S (else...if)       |
>  4 C (/dev/joe)        |
>  4 D (TGW)             |
>  5 D (else...if)       |
>  6 D (/dev/joe)        | 5 H (TGW)
>  Q D (else...if acting)|
>  Q H (/dev/joe [*])    | K S (TGW) 8 H (else...if acting)
>  K H (/dev/joe)        |
>  A H (TGW)             | J H (else...if) A C (/dev/joe)
>  2 S (TGW)             |
>  7 S (else...if)       | A S (/dev/joe) 9 S (TGW [*]) J S (else...if)

I play the 5 of spades.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 12:49:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Raquel Peres da Silva" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Game of Pure Skill 1 - Round 1

> Game 1:
> Pandora
> Koxvolio
> Ayla (Referee)
> J.M. Bear
>
> Game 1 can start whenever Ayla is ready, Game 2 is awaiting 1 more
player.

OK, let's start the game, so. I hope I do everything right! :-) BTW, I
believe the game will be over before I can have a web page ready (thanks
god the rules say I *should* have one, not *ought to*), but I'll do my
best.

According to the rules we'll play with one Standard Deck, and I'll have the
Spades suit. So, I'm now giving the Hearts suit to Pandora, the Diamonds
suit to Koxvolio and the Clubs suit to J.M. Bear.

I'll start Round 1 with the Three of Spades. Bids are expected.

Ayla
Priestess of the Order of the Razor Boomerangs
Priestess of the Church of the Evil Ballot Stuffer

Law of Cat Inertia: A cat at rest will tend to remain at rest, unless acted
upon by some outside force -- such as the opening of cat food, or a nearby
scurrying mouse.

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 13:00:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka; Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - Else...if's play

> >Nope.  Am I allowed to give hints?
> 
> Well, hints aren't regulated under the current rules, so I'd say you could.
> The original game allowed a hint when the cards were dealt only.  I'm
> certainly willing to propose a rule change which makes hints explicitly
> legal, but for now I'd say, go for it :)
> (of course, someone else might contradict me, but that's their right :)

I don't think they'd be legal. It'd probably go down as game misconduct, but
I'm not sure.

TGW.

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 13:08:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka; Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - Else...if's play

>> >Nope.  Am I allowed to give hints?
>> 
>> Well, hints aren't regulated under the current rules, so I'd say you could.
>> The original game allowed a hint when the cards were dealt only.  I'm
>> certainly willing to propose a rule change which makes hints explicitly
>> legal, but for now I'd say, go for it :)
>> (of course, someone else might contradict me, but that's their right :)
>
>I don't think they'd be legal. It'd probably go down as game misconduct, but
>I'm not sure.

I'm leaving this on acka-games even though it might possibly need to be moved
to acka-research soon.

Game Misconduct is defined as 'deliberately interfering with the player of a
subgame'.  I'm not sure that the Deus giveing a hint to his own rule would
be considered interference.  A Hint which gave away the rule in total
certainly would be interferance, but a gentle nudge in the correct direction?
Especially in the cause of helping game play?  I don't know.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 13:14:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka; Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - Else...if's play

On Fri, 1 May 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> > >Nope.  Am I allowed to give hints?
> > 
> > Well, hints aren't regulated under the current rules, so I'd say you could.
> > The original game allowed a hint when the cards were dealt only.  I'm
> > certainly willing to propose a rule change which makes hints explicitly
> > legal, but for now I'd say, go for it :)
> > (of course, someone else might contradict me, but that's their right :)
> 
> I don't think they'd be legal. It'd probably go down as game misconduct, but
> I'm not sure.
> 
> TGW.
> 

The Game Misconduct rule was deliberately loosely worded so as to allow
some coaching, hints, etc.  I wrote it more as a way of dealing with times
when someone renders a game unplayable through mistake or malice, such as
revealing the definition in fictionary.  It might be a little risky to
give systematic hints, but hey, its only a Crime if they CFCJ you for it
:)

                                     - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 13:18:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka; Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - Else...if's play

> The Game Misconduct rule was deliberately loosely worded so as to allow
> some coaching, hints, etc.  I wrote it more as a way of dealing with times
> when someone renders a game unplayable through mistake or malice, such as
> revealing the definition in fictionary.  It might be a little risky to
> give systematic hints, but hey, its only a Crime if they CFCJ you for it
> :)

Which of course is now not too unlikely since you people refused to repeal
the caped crusader... :-)

TGW.

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 13:25:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka; Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - Else...if's play

>  revealing the definition in fictionary.  It might be a little risky to
> > give systematic hints, but hey, its only a Crime if they CFCJ you for it
> > :)
>
> Which of course is now not too unlikely since you people refused to repeal
> the caped crusader... :-)
>
> TGW.

 Oh, I don't know, I thought I showed _enormous_ restraint in the recent
repetition case ;)

K 2

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 15:11:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Game of Pure Confusion

> [...] perhaps the best way to divide it up would be as follows:
>
> Game 1:
> Pandora
> Koxvolio
> Ayla (Referee)
> J.M. Bear

(this has already started)

> Game 2:
> Alfvaen
> JT Traub
> J.M. Bear (Referee)
> <space>
>
> OK?

OK.

> Game 1 can start whenever Ayla is ready, Game 2 is awaiting 1 more player.
> Pandora

Is anybody willing to play?
J. M. Bear

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 15:18:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Game of Pure Confusion

> Is anybody willing to play?

Oh, what the heck, I'll play.

TGW.

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 15:48:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Game of Pure Skill 2

> > Game 2:
> > Alfvaen
> > JT Traub
> > J.M. Bear (Referee)

TGW joined, so the Game of Pure Skill 2 can start
as soon as I get a random device. I take the spades,
TGW (being Klingon) gets the clubs, JT gets the
diamonds, and Alfvaen gets the hearts.
J. M. Bear

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 17:26:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis G2R1 (Attila the Pun)

2H

AtP

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 19:38:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - /dev/joe's play

On Fri, 1 May 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> > Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
> > -----------------------+---------------------------------------------------
> >  K S (starter)         |
> >  Q S (/dev/joe)        |
> >  6 S (TGW)             |
> >  3 S (else...if)       |
> >  4 C (/dev/joe)        |
> >  4 D (TGW)             |
> >  5 D (else...if)       |
> >  6 D (/dev/joe)        | 5 H (TGW)
> >  Q D (else...if acting)|
> >  Q H (/dev/joe [*])    | K S (TGW) 8 H (else...if acting)
> >  K H (/dev/joe)        |
> >  A H (TGW)             | J H (else...if) A C (/dev/joe)
> >  2 S (TGW)             |
> >  7 S (else...if)       | A S (/dev/joe) 9 S (TGW [*]) J S (else...if)
> 
> I play the 5 of spades.

Nope.  Sorry.  

And as the discussion on whether or not it is apropos for me to give hints
rages on:  You guys are making it way harder on yourselves than you need
to.  I'd give a more specific hint, but might get Gaoled for it.

- -Hubert

The ideal man is like a dolphin--has a two-foot tongue and can breathe 
out the top of his head. 

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 20:13:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - TGW's play

Players and Scores:
    Hubert    : 0 gamepoints ( 0 cards) (Deus)
    /dev/joe  : 0 gamepoints (12 cards)
  * TGW       : 0 gamepoints (13 cards)
    else...if : 0 gamepoints (13 cards)
(* denotes who's turn it is to play -- play will be entered only after Deus
   and prophet respond to the play)

Card ranks:
The cards in each suit are ranked A-2 with Ace high.
Wild cards are ranked below 2's.

Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
- -----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
 K S (starter)         |
 Q S (/dev/joe)        |
 6 S (TGW)             |
 3 S (else...if)       |
 4 C (/dev/joe)        |
 4 D (TGW)             |
 5 D (else...if)       |
 6 D (/dev/joe)        | 5 H (TGW)
 Q D (else...if acting)|
 Q H (/dev/joe [*])    | K S (TGW) 8 H (else...if acting)
 K H (/dev/joe)        |
 A H (TGW)             | J H (else...if) A C (/dev/joe)
 2 S (TGW)             |
 7 S (else...if)       | A S (/dev/joe) 9 S (TGW [*]) J S (else...if)
                       | 5 S (/dev/joe)

[*] every 10th card after the starter is marked while there is no prophet

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 20:15:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Eleusis G2R1 (K 2)

Attila the Pun played the Two of Hearts.  This was an incorrect play,
and e receives two penalty cards.  It is now K 2's turn.

Players and Scores:
    Alfvaen         : 0  ( 0 cards) (Deus)
    Attila the Pun  : 0  (19 cards)
  * K 2             : 0  (17 cards)
    Fortunato       : 0  (16 cards)
    Ayla            : 0  (13 cards)
    Robert Sevin    : 0  (15 cards)
    JT              : 0  (13 cards)
(* denotes whose turn it is to play -- play will be entered only after Deus
   and prophet respond to the play)

Card ranks:
The cards in each suit are ranked A-K with Ace low(values 1-13).
There are no Wild cards.

Correct Plays            | Incorrect plays
- -------------------------+------------------------------------------------------
  8 D (starter)          |
  8 H (Attila the Pun)   | 9 S (K 2)
  6 H (Fortunato[+])     | 6 S (Ayla)
  6 H (Robert Sevin)     | 
  7 H (JT)               | 5 H (Attila the Pun), 9 D (K 2)
* 6 C (Fortunato)        |
  2 C (Ayla)             | 6 C (Robert Sevin), 2 S (JT)
  2 H (Attila the Pun[+])| 2 D (K 2)
  J C (Fortunato)        |
  A H (Ayla)             | 9 S (Robert Sevin)
  K H (JT)               |*2 H (Attila the Pun)

[+] - Invalid "No Play", card selected by Deus
 *  - marks every tenth card

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Godley & Creme:Crime & Punishment
Current Book--C.J. Cherryh:Chernevog
I say, put Schrodinger in the box & see how HE likes it.

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