Subject: acka-games-digest V3 #74
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acka-games-digest        Friday, April 17 1998        Volume 03 : Number 074

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:12:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Acka: *ping*

Today is Friday, the 17th day of April, and the Machine That Goes *ping*
Has Gone *ping* today. Since I have been scholar, the Machine has gone
*ping* 9 times.

AtP

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:39:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Viruses

Here are the moves for Round 37:

breadbox: Place @17
/dev/joe: Place @21
Slakko: Step E6-F7
The Gingham Wearer: Step E10-F11
else...if: Place L20
two-star: Place J3

New Grid:

   : ; < = > ? @ A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z [ \ ] 
28 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28
27 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 27
26 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . * * . . . . . . . . 26
25 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . @ . . . . . * * . . . . . . . . 25
24 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24
23 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ @ ? . . . . . . . . . / . . . . . 23
22 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ? . . . . . . . . . / / / . . . . 22
21 . . . . . @ / @ . . . . . . . . . . . ? ? . . . . . . . / . . . / . . . 21
20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ? ? ? . . . . . . . / / / / / / . . 20
19 . . . . X . . . X . . ? ? . . . X X . @ ? . . . . . . . @ / / / / / . . 19
18 . . . . . X . X . . . ? ? . . X . . X . ? ? . . . . . . @ . . . . . . . 18
17 . . . . . X X . . . . . . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17
16 . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . / . . / . / . X X . ? . . . . / . . . . . 16
15 . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . / / / . / . X . . . ? . . . . . . . . . 15
14 . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14
13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . / . / / @ . . ? ? . . . . . . . . . . 13
12 . . @ . . . . . . . . G @ . . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12
11 . . . @ . . X . . . . G G . . . . . . . . . G G . . . . . . . . . . . . 11
10 . . . . . . . . . . . . . G @ . . . . . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . 10
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . G G @ . . . . G G G . . . . . . . . . . . .  9
 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ @ . . . . @ G . . . . . . . . . . . . .  8
 7 . . . . . . . . . S . . . . . * * * . . . . . . . . * . . . . . . . . .  7
 6 . . . . . . . . . . S . S S . * . * . . . * . * * . * @ . . . . . . . .  6
 5 . . . . . . . . . . S . S . . * . . . . . * . . . * . G G . . . . . . .  5
 4 . . . . . . . . . . . S . . . * * . . . . . * * * . @ . . . . . . . . .  4
 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  3
 2 . . . . . . . . . . . S . . . . . * . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  2
 1 . . . . . . . . . . S S . . . . . * . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  1
 0 . . . . . . . . . . . S . . . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  0
- -1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -1
- -2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -2
- -3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -3
   : ; < = > ? @ A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z [ \ ] 

/dev/joe got a Viruspoint this round.

Player Name      Symbol    Cells     Points
/dev/joe           /        29          8
two-star           *        25          5
breadbox           X        24          3
else...if          ?        18          3
The Gingham Wearer G        15          8
Slakko             S        11          2

I am awarding a FairPlay award to breadbox because I think eir virus's
pattern over on the left is really neat-looking.  :-)

Round 38 begins now, etc.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--The Kinks:25 Years--The Ultimate Collection
Current Book--Philip Jose Farmer:The Cache
I'm confused as a baby at a topless bar!

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:59:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joshua Herreshoff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Spades: R4 T7

> > Just to see if I can pull this off again, I lead the Eight of Diamonds.
> Queen of Diamonds.

 King of Diamonds

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:34:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - TGW's play

On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> > Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
> >
> -----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
> 
> >  K S (starter)         |
> >  Q S (/dev/joe)        |
> >  6 S (TGW)             |
> >  3 S (else...if)       |
> >  4 C (/dev/joe)        |
> 
> I shall try the 4 of Diamonds.

I said, play an INCORRECT one!

This is correct.

- -Hubert

There are three kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't. 

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:54:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Spades: R4 T7

On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Joshua Herreshoff wrote:

> > > Just to see if I can pull this off again, I lead the Eight of Diamonds.

> > Queen of Diamonds.

>  King of Diamonds

Six of Diamonds.  You didn't.

Everyone getting bored with this Duel, raise your hand.  Thought so.

I offer either Alfvaen or Goldenmean a shiny Great Tuba to misplay again.

- -Hubert, who knows the damn thing isn't tradeable but hopes they don't

Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. 

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:00:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Eleusis Game 2

Okay, I am announcing the start of Eleusis Game 2.

Here's the numeric order of players:

1 - Alfvaen
2 - Attila the Pun
3 - K 2
4 - Fortunato
5 - Ayla
6 - Robert Sevin

I am Deus for the first round.  I believe I shall use the two standard
decks shuffled together for this one, with no jokers.  Aces have the value
1, Jacks 11, Queens 12, Kings 13.

Your cards will be coming under separate cover.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--REM:It's The End of The World As We Know It(And I Feel Fine)
Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The Cybernetic Walrus
Nothing could be further from the truth than fear itself.  --billbill

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:12:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - else...if's play

Players and Scores:
    Hubert    : 0  ( 0 cards) (Deus)
    /dev/joe  : 0  (12 cards)
    TGW       : 0  (12 cards)
  * else...if : 0  (13 cards)
(* denotes who's turn it is to play -- play will be entered only after Deus
   and prophet respond to the play)

Card ranks:
The cards in each suit are ranked A-2 with Ace high.
Wild cards are ranked below 2's.

Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
- -----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
 K S (starter)         |
 Q S (/dev/joe)        |
 6 S (TGW)             |
 3 S (else...if)       |
 4 C (/dev/joe)        |
 4 D (TGW)

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:18:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis Game 2

> Okay, I am announcing the start of Eleusis Game 2.

> Here's the numeric order of players:

> 1 - Alfvaen
> 2 - Attila the Pun
> 3 - K 2
> 4 - Fortunato
> 5 - Ayla
> 6 - Robert Sevin

Sorry, tack on JT as #7.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--REM:It's The End of The World As We Know It(And I Feel Fine)
Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The Cybernetic Walrus
"IRONY - adj. Consisting of, containing, or resembling iron." -Webster's 

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:20:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Eleusis G2R1 Start

The starting card is:

8D

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--REM:It's The End of The World As We Know It(And I Feel Fine)
Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The Cybernetic Walrus
'Fostos, szaros, rah rah rah!'

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:34:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis G2R1 Start

>The starting card is:
>
>8D
>

8H

AtP

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:45:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Spades: R4 T7

> Six of Diamonds.  You didn't.
> 
> Everyone getting bored with this Duel, raise your hand.  Thought so.
> 
> I offer either Alfvaen or Goldenmean a shiny Great Tuba to misplay again.
> 
> -H*bert, who knows the damn thing isn't tradeable but hopes they don't

Last night I played two games of spades on Yahoo's game server with another
group of friends.  This worked really well, even handling disconnects
pretty well.  With a little work we might be able to make that a valid
way to play spades.  It requires that you have access to a java-equipped
browser, though.

- -- 
/dev/joe, who notes that he had to go down to his third choice of browser
to get one with working java, since the first choice is netscape 3 which
doesn't do java right on linux unless you install a really old libc, and
the second choice is a qt-based mozilla which doesn't yet have a java
package grafted onto it.  Netscape 4 works OK but is a huge memory+CPU hog.

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:01:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: YORL play

> His mother smiled sadly and kneeled in front of him, tousling his hair
> gently.  Through the rain and her tears, she said quietly, "Grandpa's gone
> to a better place, Sam.  We won't see him again for a long long time," and
> hugged him tight again, crying even harder.
> 
> But this wasn't right, thought Sam.  His Grandpa was the only one who knew
> the Sam story!
> 
> <censored> plays: ambulance

While I considered doing otherwise, this play is accepted.  The card is
burned.  Somebody will have to come up with a creative way of returning
us somehow, sometime to the other story with 4 current loose ends. :-)
It is still the turn of the player who played ambulance.

YORL Status:

Loose Ends: 4 - cowboy, snowgod, thin man, 2600
Cards Burned: 33
Cards in Deck: 6
Total in pot: A$220.

Play Order:
TAFKA Slagothor    [5 cards]
Slakko             [7 cards]
rufus              [7 cards]
Attila the Pun     [7 cards]
Karma              [9 cards]
Alfvaen            [3 cards] [1 Ale]
two-star           [7 cards]
The Gingham Wearer [3 cards] [2 Ale]

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:09:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: YORL play

On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> > His mother smiled sadly and kneeled in front of him, tousling his hair
> > gently.  Through the rain and her tears, she said quietly, "Grandpa's gone
> > to a better place, Sam.  We won't see him again for a long long time," and
> > hugged him tight again, crying even harder.
> > 
> > But this wasn't right, thought Sam.  His Grandpa was the only one who knew
> > the Sam story!
> > 
> > <censored> plays: ambulance
> 
> While I considered doing otherwise, this play is accepted.  The card is
> burned.  Somebody will have to come up with a creative way of returning
> us somehow, sometime to the other story with 4 current loose ends. :-)
> It is still the turn of the player who played ambulance.

This message is not official Ackanomic business.  /dev/joe has therefore
not officially responded as to whether Hubert's play of ambulance was
accepted.  

The reason it is not official Ackanomic business?  Hubert was not referred
to by his Ackanomic name, as must be done.

Yours,
Slakko
say the name
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - ex-President/still Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:17:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: YORL play

> > > His mother smiled sadly and kneeled in front of him, tousling his hair
> > > gently.  Through the rain and her tears, she said quietly, "Grandpa's
> > > gone to a better place, Sam.  We won't see him again for a long long
> > > time," and hugged him tight again, crying even harder.
> > > 
> > > But this wasn't right, thought Sam.  His Grandpa was the only one who
> > > knew the Sam story!

Slakko complained:
> This message is not official Ackanomic business.

Yeah, well nothing says I have to refer to the player at all.
The play of ambulance is accepted.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:08:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - else...if's play

>Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
>-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
> K S (starter)         |
> Q S (/dev/joe)        |
> 6 S (TGW)             |
> 3 S (else...if)       |
> 4 C (/dev/joe)        |
> 4 D (TGW)

5 D

- --
- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:43:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis G2R1 Start

> >The starting card is:

> >8D

> 8H

This play is correct.  (Hang on, I'll snarf the fancy status page thing
from the other game and post it shortly...)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Queen:Bohemian Rhapsody
Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The Cybernetic Walrus
Do not leave doll by microwave oven.  Doll may come to life and kill. --Tencza

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:47:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Eleusis G2R1

Eleusis Game 2, Round 1

Players and Scores:
    Alfvaen         : 0  ( 0 cards) (Deus)
    Attila the Pun  : 0  (13 cards)
  * K 2             : 0  (14 cards)
    Fortunato       : 0  (14 cards)
    Ayla            : 0  (14 cards)
    Robert Sevin    : 0  (14 cards)
    JT              : 0  (14 cards)
(* denotes who's turn it is to play -- play will be entered only after Deus
   and prophet respond to the play)

Card ranks:
The cards in each suit are ranked A-K with Ace low(values 1-13).
There are no Wild cards.

Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
- -----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
 8 D (starter)         |
 8 H (Attila the Pun)  |

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Iron Maiden:Where Eagles Dare
Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The Cybernetic Walrus
"No, he almost saw me!"

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:53:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - else...if's play

On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Towsner wrote:

> >Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
> >-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
> > K S (starter)         |
> > Q S (/dev/joe)        |
> > 6 S (TGW)             |
> > 3 S (else...if)       |
> > 4 C (/dev/joe)        |
> > 4 D (TGW)
> 
> 5 D

*Sigh.*  Correct...

- -Hubert

"Nothing is indelible," said Tom irascibly. 

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:06:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis G2R1

having just read the rules, I play :

9S

At 19:47 17/04/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Eleusis Game 2, Round 1
>
>Players and Scores:
>    Alfvaen         : 0  ( 0 cards) (Deus)
>    Attila the Pun  : 0  (13 cards)
>  * K 2             : 0  (14 cards)
>    Fortunato       : 0  (14 cards)
>    Ayla            : 0  (14 cards)
>    Robert Sevin    : 0  (14 cards)
>    JT              : 0  (14 cards)
>(* denotes who's turn it is to play -- play will be entered only after Deus
>   and prophet respond to the play)
>
>Card ranks:
>The cards in each suit are ranked A-K with Ace low(values 1-13).
>There are no Wild cards.
>
>Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
>-----------------------+---------------------------------------------------
- ---
> 8 D (starter)         |
> 8 H (Attila the Pun)  |
>
>
>--
>--Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
>Song In My Head--Iron Maiden:Where Eagles Dare
>Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The Cybernetic Walrus
>"No, he almost saw me!"
>
>

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:16:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Eleusis G2R1

K 2 played 9S.  This play is incorrect and K 2 receives 2 cards.  (See,
we're already doing better than the other game!  Unfortunately, there's
only 18 cards left in the deck...)

Players and Scores:
    Alfvaen         : 0  ( 0 cards) (Deus)
    Attila the Pun  : 0  (13 cards)
    K 2             : 0  (15 cards)
  * Fortunato       : 0  (14 cards)
    Ayla            : 0  (14 cards)
    Robert Sevin    : 0  (14 cards)
    JT              : 0  (14 cards)
(* denotes whose turn it is to play -- play will be entered only after Deus
   and prophet respond to the play)

Card ranks:
The cards in each suit are ranked A-K with Ace low(values 1-13).
There are no Wild cards.

Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
- -----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
 8D (starter)          |
 8H (Attila the Pun)   | 9S (K 2)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Queen:A Day At The Races
Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The Cybernetic Walrus
I've got too much energy to switch off my mind, but not enough to get myself organized

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:19:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Word Un-Ass round 4 results

Round 4 of Word Un-Association is now officially over.  Well, not exactly
now, but by the end of this message it will be.

The ah! word was 'bird,' and the uh? word was 'ointment' for this round.

TGW, Koxvolio, AtP, and JT all linked with "fly."  This was accepted, and
these four each gained a point.  As Koxvolio said, it can hardly be
disputed that birds fly.  "Fly in the ointment" is a relatively common
phrase, at least in America.

It apparently isn't in Australia, however.  Slakko linked with "eye."
Birdseye is a somewhat famous brand of frozen foods.  Eye ointment is
tougher, though.  I know that such certainly exists, but whether the two
are closely associated enough to count as a direct link was a close call.
I finally decided to follow /dev/joe's example and use AltaVista.  A
search for eye~ointment turned up 946 pages, whereas a search for, for
example, foot~ointment only returned about 170, and (for irreverence's
sake) bird~ointment returned 17.  Slakko gained 2 points.

Amazingly, rufus failed to submit a link word.

Well-distributed scores are now:
Slakko: 5
TGW: 4
Koxvolio: 3
Attila the Pun: 2
JT: 2
else...if: 1
rufus: 1

The duty, unpalatable as it may be, of linking from 'ointment' falls to
Koxvolio this round.

- -Hubert

Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:30:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - /dev/joe's play

Players and Scores:
    Hubert    : 0  ( 0 cards) (Deus)
  * /dev/joe  : 0  (12 cards)
    TGW       : 0  (12 cards)
    else...if : 0  (12 cards)
(* denotes who's turn it is to play -- play will be entered only after Deus
   and prophet respond to the play)

Card ranks:
The cards in each suit are ranked A-2 with Ace high.
Wild cards are ranked below 2's.

Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
- -----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
 K S (starter)         |
 Q S (/dev/joe)        |
 6 S (TGW)             |
 3 S (else...if)       |
 4 C (/dev/joe)        |
 4 D (TGW)             |
 5 D (else...if)       |

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:33:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Spades: R4 T7

> Last night I played two games of spades on Yahoo's game server with another
> group of friends.  This worked really well, even handling disconnects
> pretty well.  With a little work we might be able to make that a valid
> way to play spades.  It requires that you have access to a java-equipped
> browser, though.

Wouldn't this run into the same problem we had with IRC, namely the
impossibility of getting us all together at one time?  :-)

> /dev/joe, who notes that he had to go down to his third choice of browser
> to get one with working java, since the first choice is netscape 3 which
> doesn't do java right on linux unless you install a really old libc, and
> the second choice is a qt-based mozilla which doesn't yet have a java
> package grafted onto it.  Netscape 4 works OK but is a huge memory+CPU hog.

Then I'd run into the same problems.  I don't think I've got a Netscape
higher than 3, although I can't seem to tell while it's running...  (I've
been on Windows too much.  Where's the About... box?)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Queen:A Day At The Races
Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The Cybernetic Walrus
How am I supposed to know what a rhetorical question is?

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:01:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Spades: R4 T7

> > Last night I played two games of spades on Yahoo's game server with another
> > group of friends.

> Wouldn't this run into the same problem we had with IRC, namely the
> impossibility of getting us all together at one time?  :-)

Yeah, it wasn't meant to do otherwise.  Spades simply doesn't work well
in Acka if the players can't all be online at once.

> > /dev/joe, who notes that he had to go down to his third choice of browser
> > to get one with working java
> 
> Then I'd run into the same problems.  I don't think I've got a Netscape
> higher than 3, although I can't seem to tell while it's running...  (I've
> been on Windows too much.  Where's the About... box?)

Well, the netscape 3 problems are limited to Linux, due to misuse of some of
the C library calls which was tolerated by older libc5, but fails entirely
with the newer libc5.  If you have libc5.0.9 or possibly as late as 5.2.18,
it should work.  If you have libc5.3.* or newer, go download netscape 4.
Netscape is really bad about having an about box -- the closest things is
some of the documentation web sites under the help menu at the far right.

Incidentally I downloaded the navigator-only v4.05 for linux today on wilma
so I can play on those lazy Friday afternoons when you don't feel like
working.  Bridge on yahoo (when you don't have some private group you are
playing with) is really weird, not at all like real life, because you
never have to wait around for a fourth.  Whenever somebody leaves, almost
immediately somebody will join in.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:04:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis Game 1 - Round 1 - /dev/joe's play

> Correct Plays          | Incorrect plays
> -----------------------+----------------------------------------------------
>  5 D (else...if)       |

I play the 6 of diamonds.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:05:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Spades: R4 T7

> Well, the netscape 3 problems are limited to Linux, due to misuse of some of
> the C library calls which was tolerated by older libc5, but fails entirely
> with the newer libc5.  If you have libc5.0.9 or possibly as late as 5.2.18,
> it should work.  If you have libc5.3.* or newer, go download netscape 4.
> Netscape is really bad about having an about box -- the closest things is
> some of the documentation web sites under the help menu at the far right.

libc5.3.12, it seems.  _How_ much of a hog is netscape 4?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Paul McCartney:Pipes of Peace
Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The Cybernetic Walrus
Because electrons are brave.  Braveness is nice, don't you think?

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:38:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Spades: R4 T7

Alfvaen wrote:
> libc5.3.12, it seems.  _How_ much of a hog is netscape 4?

I am running it right now, and I have two windows open, one to my "Cool
Places" page that is the head of my links pages, and one to BMG Music's
page.

[devjoe@devjoe devjoe]$ ps ux
USER       PID %CPU %MEM  SIZE   RSS TTY STAT START   TIME COMMAND
devjoe     447 13.2 40.2 15900 12448   1 S   21:09   2:57 /home/devjoe/bin/nets
devjoe     448  0.0  3.3  8468  1024   1 S   21:09   0:00 (dns helper) 

The (dns helper) is another separate process netscape 4 runs which is
supposed to improve its horrible name resolution problems, and by the
more recent 4.04 & 4.05 versions, I think this actually works.  For
some reason, netscape can't seem to use the same tried-and-true methods
of DNS calls that every other internet program in existence uses without
any problems at all.  Looks like (under RSS) over 13MB of real RAM used by
this beast, more than everything else I am running, combined.

/dev/joe

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