Subject: acka-finance-digest V2 #29
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acka-finance-digest     Thursday, January 29 1998     Volume 02 : Number 029

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:00:57 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

I bid A$100.

Balsamic Dragon

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> From: [email-masked]
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities
> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 2:38 PM
> 
> Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
> > 
> > Outbid already!  You really should get your computer's clock fixed...
> > 
> > > 75 and 75 Cents
> > 
> > Well, there are no Ackapennies, but...  I'll take this up to A$83.
> > 
>  hmm
> 
> $92
> 
> and bag of magickal bannana skin-acid beans that is if the postal system
> works.
> 
> "help! their's a green man on my head"
> from:.
> other green man that was greener than the other man who had been wearing
> green..

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:36:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

> I bid A$100.
> 
> Balsamic Dragon
> 
> ----------
>> From: [email-masked]
>> To: [email-masked]
>> Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities
>> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 2:38 PM
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> $92

92 + 9 = 101.

breadbox

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:44:28 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

You're right <sigh> I was just trying to get it back to a round number.

I bid $A110.

Balsamic Dragon

PS, am I right in assuming that that was a correction and not a bid?  I
made my bid 10% over 101,  just in case.

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> From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 10:36 AM
> 
> > I bid A$100.
> > 
> > Balsamic Dragon
> > 
> > ----------
> >> From: [email-masked]
> >> To: [email-masked]
> >> Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities
> >> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 2:38 PM
> >> 
> >> [...]
> >> 
> >> $92
> 
> 92 + 9 = 101.
> 
> breadbox
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:46:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

> You're right <sigh> I was just trying to get it back to a round number.
> 
> I bid $A110.
> 
> Balsamic Dragon
> 
> PS, am I right in assuming that that was a correction and not a bid?  I
> made my bid 10% over 101,  just in case.

Oops. Yes, it was just a correction. It didn't occur to me that that
was potentially ambiguous....

breadbox

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:57:44 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Kaa of Land Auction

> Hoover 2300, with the high bid of A$253(A$230 + 10%, by eir last
message),
> has purchased the rare and highly valuable kaa of land formerly belonging
> to Murphy.

I disagree. I believe I got this kaa of land for A$30. From rule 516:

"Anyone who submits a bid below the minimum bid is also disqualified. Bids
may not be retracted."

At one point during this auction the highest bid was A$230. Hoover 2300
then bid A$232. This was below the minimum bid (A$253) so Hoover 2300
should be disqualified from the auction. That leaves me having submitted
the largest bid.

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:14:47 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Kaa of Land Auction

> > Hoover 2300, with the high bid of A$253(A$230 + 10%, by eir last
> message),
> > has purchased the rare and highly valuable kaa of land formerly belonging
> > to Murphy.

> I disagree. I believe I got this kaa of land for A$30. From rule 516:

> "Anyone who submits a bid below the minimum bid is also disqualified. Bids
> may not be retracted."

> At one point during this auction the highest bid was A$230. Hoover 2300
> then bid A$232. This was below the minimum bid (A$253) so Hoover 2300
> should be disqualified from the auction. That leaves me having submitted
> the largest bid.

The phrasing of the Auction rule would lead me to believe that "minimum
bid" throughout the Rule refers to the Auction's pre-specified minimum bid.
The only reference to the "last bid plus 10%" thing is in 6b), and the
word "minimum" occurs nowhere there.  In 6b), only _bids_ are disqualified
if they're below the last+10% limit.

Actually, I guess I hadn't read the rule closely before...so _players_ can
be disqualified from bidding, for bidding below the minimum or above their
personal wealth?  Lucky retroactivity can guard us from the consequences of
having to reharf every Auction where, say, Rex Mundi started to bid without
getting money from RexBank first.  :-)  I think this is unnecessarily harsh
and should be fixed.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Cock Robin:First Love/Last Rites
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
If you start thinking, you'd better do it the whole time.  --Yossioren

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:23:22 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

> >> $92

> 92 + 9 = 101.

Actually, I think that since 92 + 9.2 = 101.2, A$102 would be the lowest
valid bid at this point.  I've been bidding by that strategy, at least.
Round numbers are overrated anyway.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Cock Robin:First Love/Last Rites
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
"Hey, I'm depraved on account'a I'm deprived!"

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:12:42 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
> 
> > >> $92
> 
> > 92 + 9 = 101.
> 
92 + 9.2 = 
101.2, A$102
$110.5

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:24:14 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

> 92 + 9.2 = 
> 101.2, A$102
> $110.5

Can people please stop posting math without comments? I can't tell whether
this is an attempted bid or not.

Balsamic Dragon

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:34:53 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Kaa of Land Auction

On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, The Gingham Wearer wrote:

> At one point during this auction the highest bid was A$230. Hoover 2300
> then bid A$232. This was below the minimum bid (A$253) so Hoover 2300
> should be disqualified from the auction. That leaves me having submitted
> the largest bid.

Wrong.  The minimum bid was A$0 throughout.  Above that point, bids below
110% of the previous bid are disqualified, but the players who submitted
them are not.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:57:42 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

Vivian Norwood wrote:
> 
> > 92 + 9.2 =
> > 101.2, A$102
> > A$110.5 plus the fraction divided by the cosign minus or plus ten percent
                                      over the hyptenuse of unambiguous
mathmatical                                           quotations

letter c

why they changed it i can't say
people were threatened to think that way!

fnord of three is letter c

hoover 2300

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:01:54 -1000
From: Rico <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 [email-masked] wrote:

I am not at all sure what the current bid on the Treasury's Vending
Machine is, but I bid A$121, which I believe should be sufficiently above
110% of whatever the bid currently is ($110, I believe), and a nice round
number to boot.

If you have eleven fingers.

- -rico

There are three kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't. 

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:06:16 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

I bid A$140.

Balsamic Dragon

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:13:53 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

Vivian Norwood wrote:
> 
> I bid A$140.
> 
> Balsamic Dragon
  
A$155

hoover 2300

..getting a sore ass sitting on these chairs holding up an auctioning
lance eating a butterfinger. lady comes to identify proof that it is a
vending machine and not a flying pig shit distributer.

Their is difference between me and and a mad man
the difference is i am not mad.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:16:10 -1000
From: Rico <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Vivian Norwood wrote:

> 
> I bid A$140.

A bid A$169, for those of you who aren't triskadeskophobic.

Which should be unambiguous even though I'm sure I misspelt it.

- -rico

There are three kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't. 

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:24:39 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

I bid A$200.

Balsamic Dragon

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> From: Rico <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 4:16 PM
> 
> On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Vivian Norwood wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I bid A$140.
> 
> A bid A$169, for those of you who aren't triskadeskophobic.
> 
> Which should be unambiguous even though I'm sure I misspelt it.
> 
> -rico
> 
> There are three kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't.

> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:43:04 -1000
From: Rico <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Vivian Norwood wrote:

> I bid A$200.
> 
I bid A$2197, which should be sweet music to those of you with three
hands, each of which has 13 fingers.

I thus disqualify myself from bidding consideration.

- -rico

The crows seemed to be calling his name, thought Caw.

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