Subject: Ackanomic Discussion Digest V2 #30
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Ackanomic Discussion Digest   Friday, March 28 1997   Volume 02 : Number 030

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:03:20 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Play By Email Diplomacy 

If you wish to participate in a play by email Diplomacy game, there is one
space left in a game that CnH recently organized. The variant is "crowded
gunboat" with 24 hour deadlines. The judge is [email-masked] and the
game is called exam3. Sign up ASAP if you are interested, because the
previous 10 slots have filled very quickly.

Robert Sevin

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:13:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Play By Email Diplomacy 

>If you wish to participate in a play by email Diplomacy game, there is one
>space left in a game that CnH recently organized. The variant is "crowded
>gunboat" with 24 hour deadlines. The judge is [email-masked] and the
>game is called exam3. Sign up ASAP if you are interested, because the
>previous 10 slots have filled very quickly.

I would emphasize the ASAP part again. To borrow, translate and disfigure a
french expression for pure sensationalism, places are going like hot croissants.

Calvin N Hobbes
thinking about a similar expression in english

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:18:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 131 (breadbox) 

>Sorry, I'm not trying to take anything out on Robert Sevin or trying to hurt
>the game in any way.  I just want to see some resolution regarding the
>voting results.  I thought this was the proper way to proceed.

I know, I know. I didn't mean to come off sounding like that. It's just that
I _do_ feel very responsible for it all and so I'm a bit annoyed at the
situation. Certainly, your action is a step toward solving it. However, I
felt bad for RS. And I certainly hope we can just let go of it as a
corrected typo.

I think I'll blame it all on /dev/joe. Yeah., that's what I'll do.    ; )

Calvin N Hobbes
it's the other guy's fault... not

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:21:44 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Sordid Confession about CFCJ 131(breadbox) 

>>Sorry, I'm not trying to take anything out on Robert Sevin or trying to hurt
>>the game in any way.  I just want to see some resolution regarding the
>>voting results.  I thought this was the proper way to proceed.
>I know, I know. I didn't mean to come off sounding like that. It's just that
>I _do_ feel very responsible for it all and so I'm a bit annoyed at the
>situation. Certainly, your action is a step toward solving it. However, I
>felt bad for RS. And I certainly hope we can just let go of it as a
>corrected typo.

No need to argue about it. I'll confess. I am guilty of the crime. breadbox,
consider this my full confession. You can rule true in good conscience. 

Robert Sevin

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:26:37 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: (IRC) This is not a waste of bandwidth 

Being the bandwidth conservationist that I am, I'll piggy-back my IRC
summons on top of a real message:

Ignore the mountain of discarded falderol.

Robert Sevin

ps -- Remember, come to IRC.

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:14:13 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: RFC Anomymous Proposals

> Anyone interested in a rule change that would make the author
> of a proposal unknown until its voting results are released
> (or until it is removed from voting consideration)?  The way
> the rules are written, retractions will still work, but a couple
> of other things may have to be tweaked.
> 
> It could add a little spice to game.  Comments?
> 
I can often tell who wrote a proposal just by reading it.  Moreover,
I do not in any way base my opinions or voting on the authorship of
proposals.  I don't see much benefit in the anonymous proposal idea,
and will not support it if it is proposed.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:15:39 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: On CFJ 363 (Let me out!)

snowgod wrote:

> I will let any other senator out for A$50 also.
> 
I am bribing the Gaoler with A$50.

snowgod +50
ThinMan -50

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:28:03 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Anomymous Proposals

>Anyone interested in a rule change that would make the author
>of a proposal unknown until its voting results are released
>(or until it is removed from voting consideration)?  The way
>the rules are written, retractions will still work, but a couple
>of other things may have to be tweaked.
>
>It could add a little spice to game.  Comments?

  Sounds interesting.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:34:53 EST 
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: Re: CFJ357

In rendering the verdict on CFJ357,  ThinMan wrote:

The case might well have been decided the other way if it had involved
the Gold Key, because R 222 also says, "The Gold Key may be given to any
player whose monetary account has a positive number of A$."  This is a
fundamentally different provision than the one for the Silver Key, as
this one seeks to make positive provision for the transfer instead of
to place a restriction.  I am at a loss to explain why the Silver and
Gold Keys are handled differently, but we must obey the rules as they
are written.  Game Custom is silent on this issue, and I do not think
that the spirit of the game indicates a preference for any particular
reading of this rule.

As the originator of this Rule (Please,  no stones,  tomatoes and fresh
produce only),  I wished to answer eir seeming confusion.  The
differences between the Silver Key and the Gold Key were intentional.  It
was my desire to build in some protection for Players who may only have
one or two Gadgets,  and did not wish to risk losing them.  By declariing
the Key Tradeable as apposes to Transferable,  one Player wishing to
force either a quick transfer of the Silver Key or the destruction of an
annoying Gadget in someone else's possession would not be arbitrarily
allowed to give it to the Player.  The Player would have to acknowledge
the transfer,  and then it would be on eir back to decide whether to
trade it quickly or risk losing eir Gadget.

Ackdollars,  on the other hand are relatively Plentiful,  and easy enough
to come by that I didn't feel a Player could be threatened by the
prospect of recieving the Gold Key without eir consent.

Remember,  the whole idea of the Keys and the Chalice was to provide a
strategy game that combined the elements of Luck,  Ruthlessness,  and
Cooperation to provide a way to win the Cycle without having to write a
ton of Proposals.  I applaud the Players for eir ingenuity in making use
of this pleasant little diversion.

Habeous Corpus
not subject to eir own Rules after all.

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:58:28 +0000
From: "Bascule" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Anomymous Proposals

> Anyone interested in a rule change that would make the author
> of a proposal unknown until its voting results are released
> (or until it is removed from voting consideration)?  The way
> the rules are written, retractions will still work, but a couple
> of other things may have to be tweaked.
> 
> It could add a little spice to game.  Comments?
> 
> Malenkai

I like this. I also like snowgod's differential scoring system, if 
the scorekeeper is happy with that. BTW snowgod it's cowardice.

Bascule

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:01:13 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: On CFJ 363 (Let me out!) 

>snowgod wrote:
>
>> I will let any other senator out for A$50 also.
>>
>I am bribing the Gaoler with A$50.
>
>snowgod +50
>ThinMan -50
>
>
>ThinMan

I am taking the bribe and letting my evil twin suffer just a little longer.

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:07:19 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Anomymous Proposals 

>I like this. I also like snowgod's differential scoring system, if
>the scorekeeper is happy with that. BTW snowgod it's cowardice.
>
>Bascule
>
>

Yada yada yada, make fun of the guy who can't spell :)

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:18:48 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: #crash command???

>> #crash
>What's your clearance, citizen?
>
>Error:  I have encountered an internal error and am shutting down now.
>	I have left a message for my master about the error.
>	My master wishes to apologize in advance for the inconvenience.
>

  Amazing...

- -Red Barn

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:24:13 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Just Kidding

snowgod wrote:

> Just Kidding,
> 
> I take ThinMans bribe (did that anyway) and am releasing him from
> Gaol.
> 
How nice.  Thanks, snowgod.  And I must compliment you on your
superlatively dreary Gaol.  Never have I been in -- nor can I even
conceive of -- a drearier one.  It must take quite a bit of effort
to keep it that way.  Anyway, ta!

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:35:45 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: bot weirdness

>I create a Trinket worth A$ 10 called the Crashproof Vest.  Across the 
>front are printed the words, "What's your clearance, citizen?"  On the 
>back is printed "Destruction of Computer property is a Crime, a Felony.  
>Have a nice day!"  The Vest, unfortunately for Red Barn, is bright yellow.
>
>I am giving the Crashproof Vest to Red Barn.
>
>-- Mohammed

  I ack this.  I am taking the crashproof vest and putting it inside
itself (while keeping it right-side-out).

- -Red Bran

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:41:48 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (IRC) This is not a waste of bandwidth

> Being the bandwidth conservationist that I am, I'll piggy-back my IRC
> summons on top of a real message:
> 
> Ignore the mountain of discarded falderol.
	I don't know which is worse, six messages saying "Come to IRC
now!!" or six longer messages with the same gist but attempting
(unconvincingly) to masquerade as something else.  :o)

- -- Mohammed
i give up

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:45:27 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure/Auction 

>  I bid A$10 on Earth.
>
>-Red Barn

I bid A$90 on Earth.

Robert Sevin

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:28:59 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: #crash command???

Red Barn wrote:
> >> #crash
> >What's your clearance, citizen?
> >
> >Error:  I have encountered an internal error and am shutting down now.
> >	I have left a message for my master about the error.
> >	My master wishes to apologize in advance for the inconvenience.
> 
>   Amazing...

Heh, this reminds me of robbing the cash machine in Omega.

Omega is one of the few roguelike games that is neither hack/rogue-based
nor Moria-based; it has a series of quests to be taken in several different
dungeons, with an "outdoor" map on a different scale to take you between
them and the town.  There's a cash machine in town, which you can use like
a bank to store extra money you don't want to carry around the dungeons with
you, and retrieve as necessary.  However, there's a simple way to "crash"
the cash machine built in to the game, breaking it permanently, but dumping
out a large sum of money - and there's nothing you need to have done already
in the game to accomplish this; you can do this before you even get started
on the dungeons.

/dev/joe

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:29:01 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Anomymous Proposals

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> Anyone interested in a rule change that would make the author
> of a proposal unknown until its voting results are released
> (or until it is removed from voting consideration)?  The way
> the rules are written, retractions will still work, but a couple
> of other things may have to be tweaked.
> 
> It could add a little spice to game.  Comments?
> 
> Malenkai
> 

I was actually thinking of something along similar lines (really), but I
was afraid that if I proposed it no one would vote for it (you be the
judge).  Needless to say, I like the idea.  In fact, I can't really see
any reason not to do it this way.  The only reason you might want to know
who wrote a proposal is if you were going to vote for it based on it's
author, and we all know how petty stuff like that is.  Of course, RFCs
might become slightly less popular....   Someone seemed to be reading this
as making having your name be known before voting results come down an
option, and having different scoring rules based on cowerdice (snowgod I
think).  That, I think, would not work very well.  If it's optional, then
you're sure to see most people either always making their proposals
anonymous or never doing it.  With the relatively small population here,
it would then be pretty easy to figure out who wrote the anonymous
proposals through process of elimination.  Something that might be more
fun would be if our civic leaders, the Narfalones, were to set up some
friendly wagering as to who wrote what proposal....

                              -  Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:52:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Anomymous Proposals

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> Anyone interested in a rule change that would make the author
> of a proposal unknown until its voting results are released
> (or until it is removed from voting consideration)?  The way
> the rules are written, retractions will still work, but a couple
> of other things may have to be tweaked.
> 
> It could add a little spice to game.  Comments?
> 
> Malenkai
> 

This sounds like a very cool idea.  Given that Malenkai is proposing it, I
assume it's workable without a bunch of Functional Officer's being required
to do alot more.  ;)

Could we make the anonymity optional?  Provide more points for getting your
anonymous proposal passed?  Have I just completely screwed up the simplicity
of it?

IB

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:56:30 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure/Auction

>I bid A$90 on Earth.
>
>Robert Sevin

  I bid A$91 on Earth.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:09:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Anomymous Proposals

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Matt Miller wrote:

> Could we make the anonymity optional?  Provide more points for getting your
> anonymous proposal passed?  Have I just completely screwed up the simplicity
> of it?
> 
> IB
> 

More likely, have I just restated an idea which already has voice?

IB

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:17:53 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka:  ootf 

>Do we have a Financier yet?
>
>-- Mohammed
>out of it, probably

Not yet as far as I know.  Are you still volunteering?  Could the Bot
handle financial jobs pretty well?

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:18:56 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Anomymous Proposals 

>On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Matt Miller wrote:
>
>> Could we make the anonymity optional?  Provide more points for getting your
>> anonymous proposal passed?  Have I just completely screwed up the simplicity
>> of it?
>>
>> IB
>>
>
>More likely, have I just restated an idea which already has voice?
>
>IB

Yes.

snowgod
Continuing his Bandwidth wasting spree

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:08:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Registrarness

> The Registrar's page is online at http://www.alaska.net/~snowgod/acka/registrar
> 
> It contains a listing of player names, address, and status.  I'm hoping to
> automate it soon.
	If you keep the information in the bot up-to-date, I'll set the 
bot up to do it fully automatically via CGI.

- -- Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:11:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: ootf

> Not yet as far as I know.  Are you still volunteering?  Could the Bot
> handle financial jobs pretty well?
	Uh, yes, I volunteer.
	I think Acrobot could do Financier stuff.  In fact, I know it
would, once the job was really mine, because I wouldn't want to do it by
hand.  :o) It was originally written for that purpose, although it's
internal organization has drifted away from that.

- -- Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:15:34 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Registrarness 

>> The Registrar's page is online at
>>http://www.alaska.net/~snowgod/acka/registrar
>>
>> It contains a listing of player names, address, and status.  I'm hoping to
>> automate it soon.
>	If you keep the information in the bot up-to-date, I'll set the
>bot up to do it fully automatically via CGI.
>
>-- Mohammed

That would work.  I was thinking of the opposite approach.  I have an
Object database of players heres, And I was thinking as I modify it (via a
couple little programs I wrote (The RegistrarBot?)) it could autmotaccily
update the web page and send info to your bot.

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 01:36:42 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : Swingpoints

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> > Just realized that I have neglected to report SwingPoints.
> > 
> > On Tue. 18 (a week ago) All existing Swingpoints sere destroyed and turned
> > into point. The Swingpoint ammendment result became publically knowable
> > after this, so it had no effect onthat day.
> 
> Ugh, what a mess.  Due to your failure to report this, I didn't have it

Sorry.  I've set myself up a little chart now next to my computer and
colored in the next few Swingpoint dates.
I am also hitting myself over the head with the PartyChessPiece known as a
Qball.

> in the scorelog.  The swingpoints to be converted then were 3 for Niccolo
> Flychuck, 2 for Ludwig, and 1 for Strider.  However, Ludwig left the game
> before Mar 18; theundead-harfer should note that Ludwig's undead is
> haunting 2 swingpoints.

> 
> As for the other points, this was before the tornado.  It appears that
> in the tornado Strider got Niccolo Flychuck's score and breadbox got
> Strider's score.  I have adjusted the scoring for the tornado appropriately.
> 
> > Hence I received 4 Swingpoints
> > Mohammed recieved 3
> > Strider received 2
> > and Bascule received none - zero Weight
> > 
> > Please note that these Swingpoints last only until the last day of the
> > calendar month.
> 
> Please remind me sometime close to the end of the month so I can record
> the score changes.
> 
> /dev/joe
> 
I think this end of the month thing should make this easier for me to
track, at least for the points conversion.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 01:40:15 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Anomymous Proposals

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Bascule wrote:

> > Anyone interested in a rule change that would make the author
> > of a proposal unknown until its voting results are released
> > (or until it is removed from voting consideration)?  The way
> > the rules are written, retractions will still work, but a couple
> > of other things may have to be tweaked.
> > 
> > It could add a little spice to game.  Comments?
> > 
> > Malenkai

I'm not sure I see the point of this.  I'm pretty  impartial about it.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:52:53 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Registrarness

> 	If you keep the information in the bot up-to-date, I'll set the 
> bot up to do it fully automatically via CGI.
	This is now up at http://www.cbu.edu/~jorendor/acka/players.cgi .
	The bot collects hrefs.  If you have a personal (non-Ack) web
page, please let me know about it, and I'll add a link from your name on
players.cgi (and any other pages the bot maintains in the future) to your
page.  (It'll look like mine.)

- -- Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:32:22 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (IRC) This is not a waste of bandwidth

Malenkai wrote:

>         I don't know which is worse, six messages saying "Come to IRC
> now!!" or six longer messages with the same gist but attempting
> (unconvincingly) to masquerade as something else.  :o)

Or the complaining about 1 message out of 60 :)  IRC is part of the
virtual community now.  I have no particular interest in some of the
discussions that go on, but it is part of the game, and I happily
ignore them.  If the same attitude can be used with respect to the
IRC messages, bandwidth would be saved and these schemes can be 
avoided (although they do provide a little harf).  

OTOH, if the single message is too much of a strain for some, perhaps 
the postmaster can set up acka-irc-announce as a medium for it.  I am
strongly against this idea, though.  What next, the acka-tmbg-discuss
list?  Why is no one complaining about this?  

IAC, I do not want to continue to feel inhibited about the type of
content I'm allowed to post on the list.  I do not want to continue 
down that road.  If we all cannot show a little tolerance for some of
the content we are not interested in, we have larger problems.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:35:54 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure/Auction

Red Barn wrote:
> 
> >I bid A$90 on Earth.
> >
> >Robert Sevin
> 
>   I bid A$91 on Earth.

This bid is invalid.  It did not exceed the
previous one by at least 10%.

I do note that A$90 is such a cheap price to
pay for such a useful, dual-functioned entity
such as this.

Chief Cheese

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:05:58 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (IRC) This is not a waste of bandwidth

> OTOH, if the single message is too much of a strain for some, perhaps 
> the postmaster can set up acka-irc-announce as a medium for it.  I am
> strongly against this idea, though.  What next, the acka-tmbg-discuss
> list?  Why is no one complaining about this?  
	Someone did.

	If someone were to mailbomb the list with the kind of spam that
goes around on Usenet, I'd be a little put off by that, too.... or if
someone were to post messages announcing "i changed the background color
on my personal web page..." every other day.  It's not that it is
uninteresting; it strikes me as a netiquette lapse.
	It's just (searching for an appropriately mild word) pesky, though
not (of course) on purpose.  If I want to know who's on IRC, I can see for
myself with six keystrokes.  *shrug*
	I dunno.  I'm sorry, I guess I ate Power Frumps instead of Apple
Jacks this morning... 

> IAC, I do not want to continue to feel inhibited about the type of
> content I'm allowed to post on the list.  I do not want to continue 
> down that road.  If we all cannot show a little tolerance for some of
> the content we are not interested in, we have larger problems.
	I'm sorry, what's "IAC" stand for?

- -- Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 03:09:40 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (IRC) This is not a waste of bandwidth

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Jason Orendorff wrote:
> 	I'm sorry, what's "IAC" stand for?
> 
> -- Mohammed
> 

"In Any Case"?

NF

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:10:42 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (IRC) This is not a waste of bandwidth

Mohammed wrote:
 
> What next, the acka-tmbg-discuss list?  Why is no one complaining
> about this?
>         Someone did.

Someone complained about TMBG posts?  IAC (In any case), there is *some*
example of content somewhere, such as this probably, that not everyone
is interested in, yet has not been complained about.  That is all my
point was.  I do not want to go down the road of complaining and
inhibiting content.
 
>         If someone were to mailbomb the list with the kind of spam that
> goes around on Usenet, I'd be a little put off by that, too.... or if
> someone were to post messages announcing "i changed the background color
> on my personal web page..." every other day.  It's not that it is
> uninteresting; it strikes me as a netiquette lapse.

I see content of this nature frequently (ie, non-game related), and for
some reason it does not bother me.  I guess my attitude is that we are
more than anonymous usenet users with respect to each other, and the 
netiquette rules are different than those of usenet.  I do not fear
mail-bombing of the list from any player except Red Barn ;-).

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:23:48 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (IRC) This is not a waste of bandwidth

> > What next, the acka-tmbg-discuss list?  Why is no one complaining
> > about this?
> >         Someone did.
> Someone complained about TMBG posts?
	No-- about me complaining about irc posts.  I missed your meaning.

	I heard _Flood_ for the first time today.  It's scary how much of
that CD is incorporated into the ruleset.  Those of you who haven't heard
it should go to a music store and have them play it for you.  It's
guaranteed to be a freaky experience, and a lot of fun besides.  Cool
music.

> netiquette rules are different than those of usenet.  I do not fear
> mail-bombing of the list from any player except Red Barn ;-).
	And maybe me and my bot.  :o)
	Even on usenet not everyone's expected to stay completely on 
topic.  Life would grow dull.  But, neither does one say "Hey, turn on 
Seinfeld *right now* and see what Kramer's doing."

- -- Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:33:07 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (IRC) This is not a waste of bandwidth 

>> netiquette rules are different than those of usenet.  I do not fear
>> mail-bombing of the list from any player except Red Barn ;-).
>	And maybe me and my bot.  :o)
>	Even on usenet not everyone's expected to stay completely on
>topic.  Life would grow dull.  But, neither does one say "Hey, turn on
>Seinfeld *right now* and see what Kramer's doing."
>
>-- Mohammed

The point of the IRC messages, as I see is not to *announce* who is there,
but to draw a crowd.  There've been a few times when I've been on, just me
an Barry or something like that, and he's posted a message saying "Hey Come
to IRC!" and then soon enough we had a party going on with six or seven
people (including mohammed, ironically enough).  If there were an alternate
way to say that people are hanging out on IRC i'd use it but unfortunaeatly
I'm not a Jedi.

You just listened to Flood for the first time today????????

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:56:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Registrarness

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Phil Ackley wrote:

> >	If you keep the information in the bot up-to-date, I'll set the
> >bot up to do it fully automatically via CGI.
> >
> >-- Mohammed
> 
> That would work.  I was thinking of the opposite approach.  I have an
> Object database of players heres, And I was thinking as I modify it (via a
> couple little programs I wrote (The RegistrarBot?)) it could autmotaccily
> update the web page and send info to your bot.
> 

I can't wait to see the infinite loops!  Those two bots continuously
thanking each other!

IB

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:18:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Evil Twins 

IB, would you be my evil twin?

And if no one is keeping a list of who is who's evil twin, I can do that on
my web pages.

Calvin N Hobbes

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:23:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: bot weirdness

> The bot crashed twice this morning, once on Malenkai's proposal,
> because of something I failed to test, and once on Red Barn's
> command
> 
> #crash
> 
> which I put in for testing, meaning to take it out or at least
> restrict the access on it at some later date.  :o) Oh well.

You've got to be kidding.

b

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:01:18 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: RE: acka : Swingpoints

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> On Tue. 18 (a week ago) All existing Swingpoints sere destroyed and turned
> into point. The Swingpoint ammendment result became publically knowable
> after this, so it had no effect on that day.

Ugh, what a mess.  Due to your failure to report this, I didn't have it
in the scorelog.  The swingpoints to be converted then were 3 for Niccolo
Flychuck, 2 for Ludwig, and 1 for Strider.  However, Ludwig left the game
before Mar 18; the undead-harfer should note that Ludwig's undead is
haunting 2 swingpoints.

Got it, tonight or tomorrow morning.

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:36:56 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Goodbye 

In a message dated 97-03-27 22:09:45 EST, you write:

> Being that I am no longer devoting any time to Ackanomic, I am
>  reluctantly quitting.  I apologize for any problems this may cause for
>  anyone else.  
>  
>  Sorry, folks.
>  
>  Strider
>  Jason McCulley

I for one am sorry to see Strider go.  His presence will be missed in BAKER.

This also means we need another replacement player in the Diplomacy game.
 Interested players -- send me private email.

Narf

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