Subject: spoon-business: leave
From: Naath Thabana <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 10:26:07 +0100 (BST)

I place myself On Leave

Naath

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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 07:24:33 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ: Schrodinger's sushi.
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<CFJ>
<statement>It cannot be determined whether this statement appears within a legal CFJ.</statement>
<defendant>Baron von Skippy</defendant>
<analysis>
I have the sushi. If I ran this through babelfish as one big word and added the whitespace afterwards, it's legal. If I didn't, it's not.

I'm not telling.
</analysis>
</CFJ>

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From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: prop.
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 23:02:28 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ __Hey, He Took My Handbag!__

Create a rule titled __The Thief Gremlin__ with the -0- delim. text:

-0-
There exists a Gremlin known as the Thief Gremlin, also known as Dodger.  If 
the Scoring Gremlin is in Hiding, Dodger becomes Active.  If the Scoring 
Gremlin becomes Active, Dodger goes into Hiding.  If, at any point, the 
Scoring Gremlin would award the player with the lowest score (eir score must 
be higher than zero) 1 point but is unable to as e is in Hiding, Dodger 
takes 1 point from the player with the highest score and adds it to the 
Gremlin Fund.
-0-

[[Basically is a reverse of the Scoring Gremlin.  Oh, how I wish I could 
have said Enrique in this proposal. :) In other words, damn that rising 
Entropy!]]
}}

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 00:05:07 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Nweek 14 hole plugs
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _Nweek 14 Hole Plugs_

In Rule 440:

-	To the end of the text "other public forum msgs.", add the text " (though=
 not one's own msgs.)".

In Rule 631:

-	In the second para., in the second sentence, change "include" to=
 "contain"; in the third sentence, change "include" to "consist of".
-	In the second para. and the last para., change "rule" to "charter".
-	Add a para. that reads, "Members of a Club must obey the rules stated in=
 the Club's Charter."

}}

						Glotmorf

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 00:40:40 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Split Props
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _Cut on the Dotted Line_

{{ _Split Props_

A Split Prop is a prop. that seeks to Split a prop. in the same nweek (the=
 Target Prop) into two or more pieces (Shards) that appear in the next=
 nweek as separate props.  Shards of a Target Prop have the same owner as=
 the Target Prop.  The Target Prop must have a smaller prop. number than=
 the Split Prop.  A Split Prop must declare itself to be a Split Prop in=
 its text, and cannot take any action other than the Split.

A Split Prop must use all the text of the Target Prop (not counting=
 comments), with nothing left out.  The same section of text from the=
 Target Prop cannot be used in more than one Shard.  If the Target Prop is=
 altered, the Split Prop must be altered to match before voting begins, or=
 else it is removed from the ballot.

A Split is performed if the ballot result of the Target Prop is "Shelved"=
 and the ballot result of the Split Prop is "Passed".  If more than one=
 Split Prop uses the same Target Prop, the first such Split Prop that=
 passes is used, and the rest have no effect.  The Shelved Target Prop is=
 only carried into the next nweek if all Split Props using it fail.

If a Split is performed, each Shard becomes a prop. in the next nweek.  The=
 new props each get the same name as the Target Prop, with "(n)" added,=
 where n is the number of the Shard in the Split Prop.  Each prop. also=
 gets an attrib. called Shard Num, which is set to the number of Shards in=
 the Split Prop (Split Count).

If a Shard is the Target Prop of a new Split Prop, the new Shards' Shard=
 Num will be the old Shard Num times the new Split Count.

A Shard counts as (1/Shard Num) props against its owner's bandwidth limit.=
  A Shard prop gains or costs its owner (1/Shard Num) times the normal=
 amount to be gained or lost by a prop., rounded up.

A Shard can be 100% changed, like any other prop.; this does not change the=
 bandwidth burden, the number of points it gains or loses, or the Shard=
 Num.

Split Props don't count toward Bandwidth limits, and don't cause gains or=
 losses of points to their owners.  Split Props take precedence [[quote=
 from r33]] over Rule 19.

}}

Give this rule a chutzpah of 3.

If this prop. passes, give half the points it earns to Bean. [[ Originator=
 of the idea.]]

}}

[[ What this does is let other players find merit in pieces of a proposal,=
 and seperate out those pieces for consideration on their own merits in the=
 next nweek; it also lets the owner of a massive proposal cover eir butt by=
 offering to present it in pieces if people decide they can't swallow the=
 whole thing at once. ]]

						Glotmorf

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 08:43:55 +0100 (BST)
From: rachel walmsley <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Becoming a player
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I wish to become a player. Yay me. I've had a skim through the ruleset,
and this looks like quite a fun nomic.

Hi all.

rw.

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Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 01:56:11 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Thursday evening)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ladies and gentlemen, it's that time again!

"Thirsty?" is 654/0.
"One tequila..." is 643/1.

The Voice gives the Sushi to The Reality Police.
Naath goes on Leave.

UIN's latest entry in "World's Strangest CFJs" is 655, assigned to Wild
Card.

"Hey, He Took My Handbag!" is 656/0.
"Nweek 14 Hole Plugs" is 657/0.
"Cut on the Dotted Line" is 658/0.

Rachel joins. I'm assuming eir chosen name is "Rachel" since e failed to
specify otherwise. Welcome!

And it's time for my proposal for this nweek...

__Make Things Work__

{{
* Remove the word "randomly" from rule 127. [[ It'll be more fun that way. ]]
* Replace the text of Rule 573 with the following:
{{
The Administrator may, at any time while the Clock is On, issue a Writ of
Delay, optionally specifying a number of days [[ not ndays or wdays ]].
Immediately upon the issue of a Writ of Delay, the Clock turns Off for the
number of days specified. If no number is specified, it defaults to 1.

The Administrator may, during any period in which the Clock is Off due to
a Writ of Delay, issue a Writ of More Delay. The Administrator must
specify a number of days with a Writ of More Delay. The Clock shall remain
off for the number of days specified in the Writ of More Delay, in
addition to the period of stoppage specified in the original Writ of
Delay.
}}
}}

[[
If the Split Props measure passes, remember that you can apply it to this
proposal. The first part is, I expect, somewhat more controversial than
the second...

The intent of the first part is just to give me the occasional giggle.

The intent of the second part is to reflect reality just a bit better. For
instance, if I were to issue a Writ of Delay now, it wouldn't kick in for
almost 24 hours, by which time the backlog is even more wicked.

At some point, we ought to allow at least some basic stuff to be done
while the Clock is Off. Maybe a clause that proposals can be made while
the Clock is Off, but they are considered to be recognized as of when the
Clock comes back on, instead of when they're received on a public forum.
]]

The above is recognized as 659/0.

The Yeti moves round a bit.
Curt and Rod move round a bit.
The Weather is updated: it's zero degrees. Someone buy me some shorts and
a loud Hawaiian shirt!

Voting will start in about 22 hours. Still time to get in those last
minute proposals!

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 22:36:39 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ -- comments don't make props.
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I submit this CFJ:

Props. 650, 651, 652 and 653 were made using text quoted from comments in=
 other public forum msgs.  Therefore they have no effect, even if they pass=
 in voting.

Def: Wonko

Reason:

Rule 8 reads, "Comment text shall not have the force of Rule; its purpose=
 is solely elucidative or demonstrative."  The use of the phrase "shall=
 not" implies future as well as present limits on use.  Therefore a=
 comment's text can't be used to make or change rules or gamestate, not=
 only when the comment is made, but from that point on.

A quote is a repeat of text from a source.  A quote, by its nature, cannot=
 exist without the source.  Therefore, if a comment is quoted, said quote=
 contains text that is tied to the text in the comment.  If the same words=
 as those in a comment are used in a prop., but one is not a quote of the=
 other, the two have nothing to do with each other; if it is claimed that=
 that text is a quote, though, it is tied to the comment.  The claim of the=
 text being a quote of a comment reflects clear intent that the comment=
 text is being used.

The fact that the text was stuck in a comment once means the text was not=
 meant to have the force of rule; to quote that comment text to give it the=
 force of rule in order to get around one rule is to go against the spirit=
 of Rule 8, not to mention the rule to be gotten around.

						Glotmorf

From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: move, fix
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 23:17:28 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I move (not run) to (18,9).  [[Aah!  Hide!]]

Rename my prop. __Iwanttorunnow!__ to __I want to run now!__ and replace all 
of its text with the following -0- delim. text:

-0-
Amend rule 301 by changing the first sentence of the 10th para. to the 
following -00- delim. text:

-00-
Moves on the Grid happen when they are recog. by the Admin. in the order in 
which they are recog. by the Admin.
-00-

-0-

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: style
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 23:20:38 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Using my 5 style points, I purchase a style attrib. whose exact text is 
found inside the comment brackets below:

[[Certified Nomic Anonymous Member]]

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 12:45:28 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Friday morning)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Updated entropy limits:

3 syllables: 16.666
2 syllables: 25
1 syllable:  33.333

The effects of a new player are minor, but astounding.

(I'll work on adding it to the roster at some point. Right now, though, I
have my trusty pocket calculator. :)

Glotmorf's "comment text" CFJ is 660, assigned to The Reality Police. (oh,
by the way, it's called "quoting out of context," and it's somewhat common
among American politicians and religious leaders.)

"I want to run now!" is 624/1.

Voice: when did you get 5 style points? I don't have them on record, so
for the time being you can't purchase your desired Style Attribute. (Even
if you had 5 points, you still couldn't do so - it's 3 points per word,
for a cost of 12 points.)

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 00:25:29 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: NWEEK 14 BALLOT
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Relatively small ballot this time round. Yay.

The following measures are on the ballot for nweek 14:

Proposal 623/0: We can't speak properl... uh... right... (Bean)
Proposal 624/1: I want to run now! (The Voice)
Proposal 642/1: Judicial Reform (Wild Card)
Proposal 643/1: One tequila, two tequila, three keteela, floor
		(Baron von Skippy)
Proposal 644/3: New Gnome Mixes (Wonko)
Proposal 645/0: Wake Me When Yer Done, Dear (Glotmorf)
Proposal 646/0: To Fix Dim Ships? (Glotmorf)
Proposal 647/1: Walking the line (Baron von Skippy)
Proposal 648/0: Buzz (Rob)
Proposal 649/0: A Piece of the Action (Glotmorf)
Proposal 650/0: Ruleset Restructuring #1 - The Really, really,
		brand-spankin' New *buzz* Yeti! (Wonko)
Proposal 651/0: Ruleset Restructuring #2 - Vote Changing (Wonko)
Proposal 652/0: Ruleset Restructuring #3 - Last-Minute Revisions (Wonko)
Proposal 653/0: Ruleset Restructuring #4 - The Ballot (Wonko)
Proposal 654/0: Thirsty? (Baron von Skippy)
Proposal 656/0: Hey, He Took My Handbag! (The Voice)
Proposal 657/0: Nweek 14 Hole Plugs (Glotmorf)
Proposal 658/0: Cut on the Dotted Line (Glotmorf)
Proposal 659/0: Make Things Work (The Administrator)

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

From: Bryan Donlan <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Problem in rule 9/0
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 20:03:18 -0400
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Rule 9/0 refers to http://www.nomic.net/~g6/die.php
This link is broken. The correct link is http://www.nomic.net/~g6/n2/die.php

I'm not actually playing ATM, but I hate to see a broken link.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: 
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 10:19:43 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Prop Vote Rate
623  SHELVE
624  YES
642  YES
643  SHELVE (why respect?)
644  YES
645  YES
646  NO (blatent rules evasion)
647  YES
648  ABS
649  YES 13
650  NO
651  NO
652  NO
653  NO
654  YES
656  YES
657  YES
658  YES
659  ABS

Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 09:33:48 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: [[Avoiding Entropy]]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mr. A...In this public forum message from Wonko, there are large portions=
 of text that don't have any *buzz* or *crackle* in them, despite Wonko's=
 having the scarf, and despite the scarf rule saying "the player's posts=
 must include *buzz* and *crackle* strings at random throughout".  I=
 therefore state this message was not a valid public forum message, and=
 thus not a valid source of quoting for later msgs. and props.

Yes, the scarf rule says it doesn't apply to prop. text, but this text=
 wasn't prop. text when it was posted; it was comment text.

(Sorry I didn't notice this before now.)

						Glotmorf

On 4/29/02 at 8:50 PM Wonko wrote:

>[[
>Hey, this is all *buzz* commented! That means I have every right to
>exercies
>extensive *crackle* verbosity. Everything below here *buzz* you need not
>peruse; I'm gonna quote it, except without the *crackle* comment brackets,
>in just a few minutes:
>
>
>{{
>__Ruleset Restructuring #1 - The Really, really, brand-spankin' New *buzz*
>Yeti!__
>
>Change rule 348 to read:
>
>"There exists an entity called the Yeti. At the start of the 1st nday of
>each nweek, the Yeti moves three times to a random square which is not=
 more
>than 8 units from the square e is in. When the Yeti leaves a square, that
>square becomes Frozen. Whenever a MO Moves into a Frozen square, it
>automatically makes an additional Move in the same direction it came from.
>Any square which has been Frozen for at least 1 nweek immediately ceases=
 to
>be Frozen unless another rule prevents this."
>
>Remove the attribute Frozen from all grid squares.
>
>[[Whoops. I *buzz* meant to take out that whole "Freeze the *crackle* hell
>out of the *crackle* grid" bit earlier; I guess half *buzz* the Grid is
>frozen now... sorry, Dave]]
>}}
>
>{{
>__Ruleset Restructuring #2 - Vote Changing__
>
>Append rule 31, in its entirety, to rule 30. Then, repeal rule 31.
>
>[[The "players may *buzz* submit votes" would then take precedence over
>"exactly one vote"; it still forbids issuing more votes except to change
>one.]]
>
>Change the gamestate to what it would have been had it been legal for
>players to change eir votes at any time between the beginning of the game
>and the beginning of nweek 12's Voting period. [[not *crackle* hard to do;
>it's what we think the gamestate *buzz* is anyway]]
>}}
>
>{{
>__Ruleset Restructuting #3 - Last-Minute Revisions__
>
>In rule 19, append the text "unless the revision was issued before voting"
>to the 3rd sentence of the second paragraph.
>
>Change the Gamestate to what it would have been if that text had been in
>rule 19 since the beginning of the game. [[Not *crackle* hard to do; we've
>acted like it was there anyway]]
>}}
>
>{{
>__Ruleset Restructuring #4 - The Ballot__
>
>In rule 23, replace the sentence
>"The Ballot shall list all proposals that were recognized after the start
>of
>the previous nweek's voting period."
>with the sentence
>"The Ballot shall list all proposals that were issued between the start of
>the previous nweek's voting period and the start of the current nweek's
>voting period."
>
>[[As it *crackle* is, stuff made after the Voting cutoff but before the
>Ballot was issued would be on that Ballot, then on the next nweek's Ballot
>too.]]
>
>Change the Gamestate to what it would have been if the above change had
>been
>made to rule 23 upon the beginning of the game.
>}}
>
>]]
>
>
>-- 
>Wonko

Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 10:51:03 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: [[Entropy Circumvention]]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mr. A...This public forum message has no *buzz* or *crackle* in it, despite=
 Wonko having the scarf.  It is therefore not a valud public forum message,=
 and thus can't be quoted from to make msgs. or revise props.

						Glotmorf

On 4/29/02 at 9:08 PM Wonko wrote:

>[[
>I change my proposal entitled __[[Circumnavigating the Entropy
>Restrictions]]__ to:
>
>{{
>__New Gnome Mixes__
>
>
>Append to the rule entitled "The Wine List" the following MIXN'MATCH
>delimited text:
>MIXN'MATCH
>A Winter Gnome mixed with a Water Gnome yields an Ice Gnome.
>A Summer Gnome mixed with an Air Gnome yields a Fire Gnome.
>Three Basic Gnomes mixed together yield a Gnome of a random type.
>A Winter Gnome mixed with a Summer Gnome, or a Fire Gnome mixed with a
>Water
>Gnome, yields a Yoyo Gnome.
>MIXN'MATCH
>}}
>}}
>
>Quote forthcoming
>]]
>-- 
>Wonk.

Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 10:52:19 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Gnomes, again
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mr. A...This public forum message has no *buzz* or *crackle* in it, despite=
 Wonko having the scarf.  It is therefore not a valud public forum message,=
 and thus can't be quoted from to make msgs. or revise props.

						Glotmorf

On 4/29/02 at 9:25 PM Wonko wrote:

>I change the last "water"[[quote from earlier msg]] in my prop. to "Ice"
>[[Fire + Ice =3D Yoyo]]
>-- 
>Wonk.

Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 11:49:24 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: NWEEK 14 BALLOT
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Proposal 623/0: We can't speak properl... uh... right... (Bean)
No.  This was done last nweek.

>Proposal 624/1: I want to run now! (The Voice)
No.  There's something to be said for being able to try to block announced=
 moves.

>Proposal 642/1: Judicial Reform (Wild Card)
Shelve.  This isn't that much of a change from the status quo, and there=
 are things that could be changed in it. (Perhaps I spent too long with the=
 anti-comment-quote fight...)

>Proposal 643/1: One tequila, two tequila, three keteela, floor
>		(Baron von Skippy)
Shelve.  Cute, but why respect?

>Proposal 644/3: New Gnome Mixes (Wonko)
The version of the prop. on the webpage is not valid, because the message=
 changing it wasn't.  If it was, I would vote Yes.

>Proposal 645/0: Wake Me When Yer Done, Dear (Glotmorf)
Yes.

>Proposal 646/0: To Fix Dim Ships? (Glotmorf)
Yes.

>Proposal 647/1: Walking the line (Baron von Skippy)
Yes.

>Proposal 648/0: Buzz (Rob)
Abstain.  Are we starting a new "proosal" debate here?  "Buzz" isn't that=
 needed, what with being able to use numbers under the ent. limits.  But=
 I'm not going to fight it if it's wanted.

>Proposal 649/0: A Piece of the Action (Glotmorf)
Yes.  I'd rate this 15, if Charter Props could earn points from prose form,=
 but prose form awards points upon passage of the prop. (Rule 438), and=
 "passage or failure of Charter Props don't cause gains or losses of score=
 points." (Rule 631) I won't turn down points, but this prose was mostly=
 for practice.

>Proposal 650/0: Ruleset Restructuring #1 - The Really, really,
>		brand-spankin' New *buzz* Yeti! (Wonko)
This prop. doesn't exist.  If it did, I'd vote Yes.

>Proposal 651/0: Ruleset Restructuring #2 - Vote Changing (Wonko)
This prop. doesn't exist.  If it did, I'd vote Yes. (It doesn't affect my=
 still-pending CFJ.)

>Proposal 652/0: Ruleset Restructuring #3 - Last-Minute Revisions (Wonko)
This prop. doesn't exist.  If it did, I'd vote Yes. (I don't like sweeping=
 gamestate changes, but this one doesn't appear to cause any real change.)

>Proposal 653/0: Ruleset Restructuring #4 - The Ballot (Wonko)
This prop. doesn't exist.  If it did, I'd vote No. ("Issued" rather than=
 "recognized" (quote from current r23) is risky.)

>Proposal 654/0: Thirsty? (Baron von Skippy)
Yes.

>Proposal 656/0: Hey, He Took My Handbag! (The Voice)
Yes.

>Proposal 657/0: Nweek 14 Hole Plugs (Glotmorf)
Yes.

>Proposal 658/0: Cut on the Dotted Line (Glotmorf)
Yes.

>Proposal 659/0: Make Things Work (The Administrator)
No, mostly because of the first part.  Mr. A, I don't think you really want=
 to be blamed for the choice of a judge.

						Glotmorf

Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 11:51:17 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: grid move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I run to (14,11).
I buy a pinball gun.
I shoot Wonko.

						Glotmorf

Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:09:36 +0100 (BST)
From: rachel walmsley <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Actions
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I declare myself to be female.

I position myself on the grid at square 11,5.
I pick up the sheep gnome there.
I move to square 12,6.

I hope that I've not misread any rules and got this all wrong.

rw.

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Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 17:58:01 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Move
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I run to (16,11).

If I don't have a pinball gun, I buy one.

-- 
Wonko

Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 17:59:56 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Doing it *buzz* right
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I *crackle* run to (16,11).

If I don't *buzz* have a pinball gun, I buy one.

[[I still think I'm *crackle* right, but I'm sure *buzz* Glotmorf will
complain if I leave out the *buzz* buzzes]]

-- 
Wonko

Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:02:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: B Nomic Business <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I move to 6, 11.

-- 
[email-masked] | http://seishonagon.org
"Luckily, right at that moment, an unconscious Argentinian 
 fell through my roof!"      --Christian in "Moulin Rouge"

Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 20:23:12 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: grid move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 5/6/02 at 6:01 PM Wonko wrote:

>Quoth Glotmorf,
>
>> I run to (14,11).
>> I buy a pinball gun.
>> I shoot Wonko.
>
>You don't run to (14,11) because its out of your range.
>You don't shoot me because I'm out of your range.
>You do lose 2 points on the Pinball Gun, though.
>
>Hey, one out of three ain't bad.
>
>-- 
>Wonko

Wonko is quote right.  (14,11) was not a legal move for me.  (14,10) is,=
 though, and therefore I run there.  At which point Wonko will be in range.

Thanks, guy.

						Glotmorf

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Actions 
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 02:09:34 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I declare myself to be female.
> 
> I position myself on the grid at square 11,5.
> I pick up the sheep gnome there.
> I move to square 12,6.
> 
> I hope that I've not misread any rules and got this all wrong.
> 
 I place all gnomes in my posession in my gnome bag.

 For all gnomes in my current grid location, I:
 a) take it.
 b) put it in my gnome bag

 I move to (17,2), take the Basic Gnome there and place it in my gnome
bag.

 I join Team Turquoise.

 WC.

Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 22:57:45 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Grid grab
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

When I make it to (14,10), I'll grab the Ball of Wax.

						Glotmorf

Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 03:24:15 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: NWEEK 14 RESULTS
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Proposal 623/0 (We can't speak properl... uh... right...) (Bean):
AFF: rachel
NEG: Baron von Skippy, Dan, Glotmorf, The Voice
ABS: Congenital Optimist
SHL: Wild Card
Counts: (1-4-1-1). Measure fails. Bean loses 4 points.

Proposal 624/1 (I want to run now!) (The Voice):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, The Voice, Wild Card
NEG: Glotmorf, rachel
ABS: Congenital Optimist
Counts: (4-2-1-0). Measure passes.
Created 301/6 (rectified: replace abbrevs. with complete words).
The Voice scores 12 points.

Proposal 642/1 (Judicial Reform) (Wild Card):
AFF: Dan, Wild Card
ABS: Baron von Skippy, Congenital Optimist, rachel, The Voice
SHL: Glotmorf
Counts: (2-0-4-1). Measure fails. Wild Card loses 2 points.

Proposal 643/1 (One tequila, two tequila, three keteela, floor) (Baron von
Skippy):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, The Voice
NEG: rachel
ABS: Congenital Optimist
SHL: Glotmorf, Wild Card
Counts: (3-1-1-2). Measure fails. Measure is shelved.
Created 661/0 (proposal).

Proposal 644/3 (New Gnome Mixes) (Wonko):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, rachel, The Voice, Wild Card
ABS: Congenital Optimist
Counts: (5-0-1-0). Measure passes.
Created 638/1.
Wonko scores 8 points.

Proposal 645/0 (Wake Me When Yer Done, Dear) (Glotmorf):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, Glotmorf, The Voice, Wild Card,
ABS: Congenital Optimist, rachel,
Counts: (5-0-2-0). Measure passes.
Measure is vetoed by the Administrator.
[[ Technical difficulties in implementation, and general pain-in-the-ass
factor on the parts of everyone involved. This revision, as written, would
lead to half-days and a whole lot of strangeness. May I suggest something
like this to take its place:

At the end of each nweek, a Writ of Delay for one day is automatically
issued, without any action required on the part of the Administrator. If,
at the end of that day, the results of the previous nweek's voting have
not yet been issued by the Administrator, a Writ of More Delay (one day)
is automatically issued. [[ This process intentionally cuts off after two
days, so that the game won't get caught in an infinite loop that could
conceivably circumvent even Rule Zero. ]]

]]
Glotmorf scores 9 points.

Proposal 646/0 (To Fix Dim Ships?) (Glotmorf):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, Glotmorf, The Voice
NEG: Wild Card
ABS: Congenital Optimist, rachel
Counts: (4-1-2-0). Measure passes.
Created 493/2.
Glotmorf scores 10 points.

Proposal 647/1 (Walking the line) (Baron von Skippy):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, Glotmorf, rachel, The Voice, Wild Card
ABS: Congenital Optimist
Counts: (6-0-1-0). Measure passes.
Created 394/10.
Created 662/0.
Baron von Skippy scores 14 points.

Proposal 648/0 (Buzz) (Rob):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan
NEG: rachel, The Voice
ABS: Congenital Optimist, Glotmorf, Wild Card
Counts: (2-2-3-0). Measure fails. Rob loses 3 points.

Proposal 649/0 (A Piece of the Action) (Glotmorf):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Wild Card (13)
NEG: Dan, rachel, The Voice
ABS: Congenital Optimist
Counts: (3-3-1-0). Measure fails. Glotmorf loses 2 points.
[[ I know it's a Charter Proposal, but it still fails, for the same
reasons "Fight Club" failed last nweek. Someone should consider fixing
that at some stage. Just a note in Rule 631 that "This rule supercedes
Rule thirtysomething as regards vote counting" would suffice, as would a
revision to rule thirty-whatever that specifically exempts Charter
Proposals. ]]

Proposal 650/0 (Ruleset Restructuring #1 - The Really, really,
brand-spankin' New *buzz* Yeti!) (Wonko):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, rachel, The Voice
NEG: Wild Card
ABS: Congenital Optimist
Counts: (4-1-1-0). Measure passes.
Created 348/4.
Removed all Frozen squares from the Grid, per dictate. (Whee!)
Wonko scores 11 points.

Proposal 651/0 (Ruleset Restructuring #2 - Vote Changing) (Wonko):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, rachel, The Voice
NEG: Wild Card
ABS: Congenital Optimist
Counts: (4-1-1-0). Measure passes.
Created 30/1.
Created 31/4 (repeal).
[[ I can't rewrite history, but it doesn't matter. Nothing that happened
before nweek 14, nday 3, can be CFJ'd, and there were no vote revisions on
the present ballot. ]]
Wonko scores 9 points.

Proposal 652/0 (Ruleset Restructuring #3 - Last-Minute Revisions) (Wonko):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, rachel, The Voice
NEG: Wild Card
ABS: Congenital Optimist
Counts: (4-1-1-0). Measure passes.
Created 19/5.
Wonko scores 14 points.

Proposal 653/0 (Ruleset Restructuring #4 - The Ballot) (Wonko):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, The Voice
NEG: rachel, Wild Card
ABS: Congenital Optimist
Counts: (3-2-1-0). Measure passes.
Created 23/1.
Wonko scores 11 points.

Proposal 654/0 (Thirsty?) (Baron von Skippy):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, Glotmorf, The Voice, Wild Card
NEG: rachel
ABS: Congenital Optimist
Counts: (5-1-1-0). Measure passes.
Created 663/0.
Created 638/2.
Baron von Skippy scores 11 points.

Proposal 656/0 (Hey, He Took My Handbag!) (The Voice):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, rachel, The Voice, Wild Card
NEG: Dan
ABS: Congenital Optimist
Counts: (5-1-1-0). Measure passes.
No effect (per 293/6, this proposal does nothing).
The Voice scores 15 points.

Proposal 657/0 (Nweek 14 Hole Plugs) (Glotmorf):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, Glotmorf, The Voice, Wild Card
ABS: Congenital Optimist, rachel
Counts: (5-0-2-0). Measure passes.
Created 440/5.
Created 631/1.
Glotmorf scores 6 points.

Proposal 658/0 (Cut on the Dotted Line) (Glotmorf):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Wild Card
NEG: Dan, The Voice
ABS: Congenital Optimist
SHL: rachel
Counts: (3-2-1-1). Measure fails. Glotmorf loses 2 points.

Proposal 659/0 (Make Things Work) (The Administrator):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, rachel, The Voice
NEG: Glotmorf
ABS: Congenital Optimist, Wild Card
Counts: (4-1-2-0). Measure passes.
Created 127/2.
Created 573/2.
The Gremlin Fund scores 13 points.

Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 03:24:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Monday night)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

This is the requisite "nweek transition" edition...

The following events happen before the end of nweek 14:

Rocky throws a random Big Rock (cost 4 points to the Gremlin Fund). It
lands at (3,10).

Pinhead gives 9 points to each of: Bean, Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Rob,
The Voice, Wild Card, and Wonko.

The following Grid moves take place:

Baron von Skippy moves to (10,11)
Wild Card moves to (2,17)
Glotmorf's move is out of range. (Eir replacement move didn't arrive until
after the end of the nweek, and is therefore disqualified.) E doesn't
shoot Wonko for the same reason. (Since the move did arrive during nweek
15, I'm treating it as your one move for nweek 15; it will be attended to
later.)
rachel moves to (12,6).
Wonko moves to (16,11).
Congenital Optimist already is at (6,11) and therefore doesn't move.

The following events happen between nweeks 14 and 15:

Votes are counted; the vote results are included herein by reference.

Robin steals 9 points from Rob and splits them between Yuki and rachel.
(The relevant rule doesn't seem to specify what happens in case of a tie,
so I split 'em. I flipped a coin, and the "odd" point went to rachel.)

The following events happen at the start of nweek 15:

The new Gremlin number is 92.
The Immunity Idol is awarded to Wonko.
The Token of Proposals is awarded to Glotmorf (under the tie-breaker rule).
Two Sheep Gnomes fall from the sky.
A Herb Gnome is churned out by the Gnome Factory.
The Yeti moves (much less than it used to).
A Ball of Wax falls from the sky.
The Weather updates: the Temperature rises to 10 degrees. (All Frozen
squares become Wet.)
This week's Colour Commentator is rachel.
Curt and Rod move round a bit.
Congenital Optimist is still Burnt; Bruce goes into Hiding.

Universal Entropy is 238.
Thresholds remain the same (16.6/25/33.3)

At 3-syllable threshold: Baron von Skippy, Bean, Wild Card
At 2-syllable threshold: Glotmorf, The Voice
At 1-syllable threshold: Wonko

Yuki is placed on Forced Leave.
Iain is placed on Forced Leave.

Wild Card joins Team Turquoise. Under the new rules, Grid movements take
place immediately; unfortunately, as e is nowhere near (17,2), it doesn't
matter too much. Maybe you meant (2,17)?

Glotmorf moves to (14,11) and grabs the Ball of Wax.

...dave

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Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 23:51:55 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: NWEEK 14 RESULTS
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 5/7/02 at 3:24 AM David E. Smith wrote:

>Proposal 649/0 (A Piece of the Action) (Glotmorf):
>AFF: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Wild Card (13)
>NEG: Dan, rachel, The Voice
>ABS: Congenital Optimist
>Counts: (3-3-1-0). Measure fails. Glotmorf loses 2 points.
>[[ I know it's a Charter Proposal, but it still fails, for the same
>reasons "Fight Club" failed last nweek. Someone should consider fixing
>that at some stage. Just a note in Rule 631 that "This rule supercedes
>Rule thirtysomething as regards vote counting" would suffice, as would a
>revision to rule thirty-whatever that specifically exempts Charter
>Proposals. ]]

Rule 631 supercedes (quote from adm. msg.) Rule 32 right now.  Rule 32's=
 chutzpah is 1; Rule 631's chutzpah is 2.

Besides, as I said before, a Charter Prop isn't a prop.  It's only "like" a=
 prop.

The reason the Fight Club Charter Prop failed was that the Charter Prop=
 rule didn't exist at the time that votes were counted.  That's not the=
 case now.

						Glotmorf

Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 00:05:47 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ - Wonko's comment props
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I make a CFJ with this statement:

Wonko's props 650, 651, 652 and 653 did not exist, and should not have been=
 put into effect.

Reason:

Wonko had the Pink Scarf.  Eir gender is set to Drone.

The Scarf rule, R258, reads: "If the player's declared Gender is Drone, the=
 player's posts must include *buzz* and *crackle* strings at random=
 throughout, due to the static electricity effects of the Pink Scarf."

There are large blocks of text in the public forum message that the props=
 in question were quoted from that did not contain static, large enough to=
 suggest the static did not appear "at random throughout", but was left out=
 of those text blocks on purpose.

Since Wonko was required to add the static "at random throughout," and=
 didn't, the message quoted from was not legal; therefore, it should not=
 have been thought to exist for the purpose of quoting from it.  Thus, the=
 props that were quoted from that message that did not exist in a legal=
 sense should not exist either, should not have appeared on the ballot, and=
 should not have been put into effect.

Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 00:21:17 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: DimShip course plot
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I set my DimShip ballast to 50 ent.

						Glotmorf

Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 00:51:15 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Monday night)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 5/7/02 at 3:24 AM David E. Smith wrote:

>Iain is placed on Forced Leave.

Mr. A...Iain is listed as having voted on the nweek 13 ballot.  Therefore=
 eir act. should not have decreased, and thus e should not now be on Forced=
 Leave.

						Glotmorf

Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 03:01:01 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Leave
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I go On Leave.

Bean

Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:19:06 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath=20Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I place myself Off Leave.

I move to 14,9.

Naath

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To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Monday night) 
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:25:47 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Wild Card joins Team Turquoise. Under the new rules, Grid movements take
> place immediately; unfortunately, as e is nowhere near (17,2), it doesn't
> matter too much. Maybe you meant (2,17)?

 Oops.

 I move to (2,17), and take the Basic Gnome and put the Basic Gnome in
my Gnome Bag.

 WC.

From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 07:10:58 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: IgivethesushitorandomlyselectedplayerGlotmorfuin.
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I give the sushi to randomly selected player Glotmorf

uin. 
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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 07:39:11 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ 660 Judgement - False
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

CFJ 660
Statement: Props. 650, 651, 652 and 653 were made using text quoted from comments in other public forum msgs. Therefore they have no effect, even if they pass in voting. 
Judgement: False
Analysis:
First, let me note that this is trivially false, as even if they don't do anything to the rules they'll still have an effect on Wonko's score.

However, treating "effect" as "effect on the rules", we can address the real issue - is Wonko allowed to quote from commented text to circumvent the entropy restrictions?

Glotmorf's argument hinges on rule 8, which states "Comment text shall not have the force of Rule". He then makes 2 claims:
1. Because Wonko's proosals quote from a comment, they therefore inherit the "shall not" provision of Rule 8.
2. The "shall not" provision of R8 applies to future use of the comment text, not just the current use.

1. R8 is explicit that comment text is text in [[]]s. Since Wonko's proosals did not appear in [[]]s, they were not comments, and so R8 does not apply to them. The only way they could conceivably be covered by R8 would be if point 2 were true.

2. Consider the situation where a rule contains the text "[[Players may not win.]] When a player wins, remove this sentence and all instances of '[' and ']' from this rule." (with apologies to Rob). I would expect that, once the [[]]s are removed, the first sentence of that rule would prevent players from winning. Glotmorf's interpretation would lead us to expect otherwise (as it would be the same text that had previously been comment text, not just a quote of it). This would lead to the absurd situation of having "invisible" comments.
I submit that this difference arises because Glotmorf views the "shall" of R8 in the sense of "Something that will take place or exist in the future: We shall arrive tomorrow." (www.dictionary.com/search?q=shall). In fact, R8 uses "shall" in the (admittedly legalistic and archaic) "To have to; must" sense ("Congress shall make no law..."). That is, the "shall not" is prohibitive, not predictive, and once the comment brackets are removed from the comment (by removing them from the original instance or by quoting the original instance) Rule 8 no longer applies, and the ex-comment text can have the force of law. This interpretation is consistent with expectation, and with the letter and spirit of rule 8.

So this CFJ is False regardless of the interpretation of the statement.

The Reality Police.
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To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: CFJ: Schrodinger's sushi. 
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:04:58 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> <CFJ>
> <statement>It cannot be determined whether this statement appears within a lega
> l CFJ.</statement>
> <defendant>Baron von Skippy</defendant>
> <analysis>
> I have the sushi. If I ran this through babelfish as one big word and added the
>  whitespace afterwards, it's legal. If I didn't, it's not.
> 
> I'm not telling.
> </analysis>
> </CFJ>

 First - I Call for Judgement, with the statement delimited by {{ and
|| and the analysis proceeding from that || and delimited by }}:

{{
 The game has never had an object numbered 655.
||
 Baron von Skippy had the sushi.

 Baron von Skippy's message implies that he sushified the text:
<CFJ><statement>ItcannotbedeterminedwhetherthisstatementappearswithinalegalCFJ.</statement><defendant>BaronvonSkippy</defendant><analysis>Ihavethesushi.IfIranthisthroughbabelfishasonebigwordandaddedthewhitespaceafterwards,it'slegal.IfIdidn't,it'snot.I'mnottelling.</analysis></CFJ>uin.
 then added whitespace and linebreaks.

 However sushifying it via Korean produces the text:
Inside a Korean  

 sushifying it via French and German produces the text:
ItcannotbedeterminedwhetherthisstatementappearswithinalegalCFJ.BaronvonSkippyIhavethesushi.IfIranthisthroughbabelfishasonebigwordandaddedthewhitespaceafterwards,
it' slegal. IfIdidn' T, it' snot.I' mnottelling.uin.

 Neither of these two can be turned into the message sent by adding
only whitespace and linebreaks, therefore he failed to operate
sushification correctly and so the CFJ #655 never existed.
}}

 In the thread where that CFJ is found to be false I judge CFJ 655 to
be False (citing the above analysis).

 WC.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: CFJ: Schrodinger's sushi. 
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:34:25 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> -Brilliant, Holmes, but you forgot one detail. I didn't have the Sushi, nor 
> did I CFJ. I was the defendant, for the express purpose of keeping me from 
> Judging. I can't tell, does that invalidate your Judgement? I hope not...
> 
 Err, it should be obvious what I meant...

 Mr. A?

 WC.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: CFJ: Schrodinger's sushi. 
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:51:27 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> > <CFJ>
> > <statement>It cannot be determined whether this statement appears within a le
> ga
> > l CFJ.</statement>
> > <defendant>Baron von Skippy</defendant>
> > <analysis>
> > I have the sushi. If I ran this through babelfish as one big word and added t
> he
> >  whitespace afterwards, it's legal. If I didn't, it's not.
> > 
> > I'm not telling.
> > </analysis>
> > </CFJ>

 First - I Call for Judgement, with the statement delim'ed by {{ and
|| and the analy. proceeding from that || and delim'ed by }}:

{{
 The game has never had an object numbered 655.
||
 uin had the sushi.

 uin's message implies that he applied the sushi to the text of his
message without whitespace or linebreak then added whitespace and linebreaks.

 However doing this via Korean produces the text:
Inside a Korean  

 Doing it via French and German produces a text with no angle brackets
(<>) in (will quote on demand but Entropy restricts me):

 Neither of these two can be turned into the message sent by adding
only whitespace and linebreaks, therefore he failed to operate
the sushi correctly and so the CFJ #655 never existed.
}}

 In the thread where that CFJ is found to be false I judge CFJ 655 to
be False (citing the above analy.).

 WC.

Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:01:19 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Pinball
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I shoot Voice with my P. gun

-- 
Wonk.

Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:05:29 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Oops
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I *buzz* shoot Voice with my *crack.* P. gun

-- 
Wonk.
*buzz*

Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:11:40 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Scarf!
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I know e just *crackle* had it, but *buzz*, I can't resist. E's already got
the *bzzzt* Token and the *crackle* sushi...

I give the *buzz* scarf to Glormorf.

-- 
Wonko

Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:13:04 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Oh, that's right, my DimShips cruising at 50 entropy Ballast, isn't it...

{{
__Finding the right Shelf__

Amend rule 580 by replacing the words "and at least half of the total votes
against the proposal were to SHELVE," with "and at least half of the total
votes cast on the proposal were either SHELVE or affirmative,"

}}

-- 
Wonko

Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:14:24 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: One last action
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Just so that nobody can find further fault with my action...

If e is within my range, and I have a Pinball gun, I shoot the Voice with my
Pinball gun.

-- 
Wonko

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:37:41 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I propose:
{{
 {{
  __Consent of Ministers__ {*Minister,1*}

  Any player who holds a title that makes them a Minister may cause
themselves to lose that title by announcing in a public forum that
they wish to take on the post of the Chiltern Hundreds.

 Any player nominated for any Ministry may repudiate that nomination
at any time by annoucing that they do so in a public forum.
 }}
}}

From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: touchdown
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:50:31 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I move to (20,8) and spike the Football!

I flaunt my Entropy ballast!

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: proposal
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:54:05 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ __Adminball__

Change all instances in the ruleset and gamestate of the string "football" 
(non case-sensitive) to the string "Adminball".

Give the keyword "Adminball" to all rules which have the keyword "football", 
then remove the keyword "football" from all rules which have it.

}}

Hee hee... Adminball.

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:59:06 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Move
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I run to (18,12), then fly Elbonian towards (12,12).

-- 
Wonko

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 18:05:57 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
 __Process__

 Replace the text of rule 404 with the following:
 {{
  At any time within 7 ndays following the posting of a Judgement on a
CFI, any player or the Admin may Appeal that Judgement.

 The Upper House is called on to make a Judgement on any CFI that is
appealed, and their verdict is final.  If they produce a different
verdict than the original Judgement is said to have had been
overturned.
 }}
}}

Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 21:43:41 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal
From: Daniel Lepage <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Let me know if any of this doesn't work.

{{
__A Fix for Glotmorf__

If proposal 561 passed, repeal the rule entitle _Insta-Rules_ and take from
Glotmorf all points e gained for the proposal's passing. If proposal 561
failed, give back to Glotmorf all points e lost for its failure.

[[Just a bit of cleanup.]]

Then, create the following rule:

{{ _Insta-Rules_

There exist objects called Insta-Rules. Insta-Rules must conform to the
following format:

{ It is { legal | illegal } to { { { throw at | give to | take from } {
players | grid locations | <specific player> | <specific grid location> } {
gremlins | beer cans | gnomes } } | { { enter | remain in | enter or remain
in } <specific grid location> [ without bouncing Elbonia-style ] } } }.

where { and } delimit a set from which one item must be chosen, or a member
of a set; [ and ] delimit optional text; and < and > delimit a category of
information to be filled in.

If an Insta-Rule says that a player may take an object from another player,
then the player in question may take that object if and only if e is in a
square consecutive to the one containing the player to be taken from, or
both players are in Limbo.

If an Insta-Rule forbids a player to perform a certain action, then e may
not perform that action.

If an Insta-Rule permits a player to perform a certain action, then e may
perform that action.

If an Insta-Rule forbids a player to remain in a certain square without
being thrown Elbonia-style, and a player occupies that square at the end of
an nweek, then that player is thrown at eir current location Elbonia-style.

If an Insta-Rule forbids a player to remain in a certain square, but does
not mention Elbonia-style, and a player occupies that square at the end of
an nweek, then that player is moved to a random square consecutive to eir
location. If this is impossible, e is moved to Limbo.

Insta-Rules are identified as such, and must be unique from other
currently-existing Insta-Rules. Insta-Rules take precedence over other
Insta-Rules created before them.

Each Player has an attribute called Insta-Ruler, with an initial value of 0.
At the beginning of each nweek, if a Player's Insta-Ruler is greater than 0,
it is decreased by 1.

Once per nweek, if a Player's Insta-Ruler is 5 or less, e can declare an
Insta-Ruling, which consists of one of the following:

1. the enactment of an Insta-Rule
2. the repeal of an existing Insta-Rule

Insta-Rulings are implemented at the end of the nweek; at that time, the
Insta-Ruler of the Player who made the Insta-Ruling is increased by 2.

}}
Give the aforementioned rule a Chutzpah of 5.

Give 3d6 points to Glotmorf. [['Cause it is eir rule, after all]]
}}

-- 
Wonko

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Proposal [was: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: CFJ: Schrodinger's sushi. ]
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:42:28 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Tuesday 07 May 2002 05:30 pm, you wrote:
> > > I don't think I'll bother reaquiring the sushi and resubmitting in an
> > > actuall y ambiguous form. If you (generic you, not BvS-specific you)
> > > don't get the po int from this one, I don't think that would help.
> > > Although I might do it anyw ay.
> >
> >  IMHO any action indistinguishable from a legal action is legal.
> 
> Well, given the nature of this nomic, it wouldn't seem unusual for that to be> a Rule... :)

 <grins>

Proposal:
{{
 {{
  __The rule of simple__
  {*11*}
  [[To quote my text above:]]
  any action indistinguishable from a legal action is legal
 }}
}}

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Proposal 
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 09:37:10 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Stick an 'n' in announcing and send this to business.

 Gah, it's not my nweek... :(

I propose:
{{
{{
__Consent of Ministers__ {*Minister,1*}

Any player who holds a title that makes them a Minister may cause
themselves to lose that title by announcing in a public forum that
they wish to take on the post of the Chiltern Hundreds.

Any player named for any Ministry may disavow that naming at any time
by announcing that they do so in a public forum.
}}
}}

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 17:31:55 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
 {{
  __Minister of the Survey of Ordinance__

   There exists a Ministry of the Ordinance Survey.  

   The Minister of the Ordinance Survey has the power to recognise any
  action that involves updating the grid.

   The Minister of the Ordinance Survey must keep a record of the
  grid that is up to date.

   At the end of each nweek the Minister of the Ordinance Survey
  gains a number of points equal to the number of players in the game
  divided by two.
 }}
}}

Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 16:47:11 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Thursday morning)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ladies, gents, and drones, I think this message alone will be proof enough
that we NEED a couple of those Ministries fairly soon. It's about 50%
corrections...

649/0 was indeed a Charter Proposal, and the rules do in fact seem to
permit such a thing to exist now. Glotmorf is refunded the 2 points e lost
for the "failure" thereof; the Charter of M-Tek is 664.

Glotmorf's *bzzz* CFJ is 665, assigned (randomly :) to rachel.

Glotmorf adjusts the heading on eir DimShip.

Iain shouldn't have been placed on Forced Leave; e is thusly removed.

Bean goes on (voluntary) Leave.

Re: 642: That was, apparently, a bug in the vote-counting software (I
thought I'd covered all the odd corner cases, but I missed at least one).
Thus:

642/1 passes (2-0-4-1).
Created 126/6.
Created 127/3. [[ This has the unintended, but arguably beneficial,
side-effect of unrolling my "random" revision. ]]
Created 128/6 (rectified: "germane". This has been bugging me for six
months.)
Wild Card is refunded the 2 points for "failure."
Wild Card scores 11 points (divided 5/3/3 between WC, Scoff!, and Bean,
per proposal text).

Naath returns from Leave. Eir Grid move is illegal (too far, and not on a
Football team).

Wild Card can't move to (2,17) as e is already there. :)

The Reality Police gives the Sushi to Glotmorf. (mmm. sushi. Remember to
dilute the wasabi with the soy sauce or else it'll burn something fierce.)

The Reality Police Judges CFI660. (I'll probably be calling them CFJs for
a while, as that particular string is hard-coded into the database in a
number of awkward places.)

Wild Card's "655" CFI-of-the-Beast is 666, assigned to Naath (rectified:
the original message was from The Reality Police, not Baron von Skippy).

Just in case, I'm using the text as the Judgment on CFI 655, per
instructions.

Wonko pings The Voice with eir Pinball Gun.

Wonko: I carefully searched both my archives of the business list and my
personal mail spool; if you voted, your votes got lost on the way.
(Rectified: Aha! You sent your votes from an unfamiliar email address. I
just saw "Daniel" and mistakenly listed your votes under "Dan" who is on
leave anyway. All the votes that say "Dan" in nweek 14's results are
actually Wonko's votes. Thanks for messing with my head, man...)

Wonko gives the Scarf to Glotmorf, who scores 11 Style points (and the
Unholy Trifecta of the Scarf, Token, and Sushi).

"Finding the right Shelf" is 667/0.

645/0 is corrected to "Passed." Glotmorf gives back the points e gained
from the veto, but scores exactly the same number of points for the
measure's passage. Convenient, ain't it?
Created 3/6.

"Consent of Ministers" is 668/0. (the wha'? I'm assuming the Chiltern
Hundreds is some Britishism of which I'm wholly unaware.)

The Voice moves to (20,8). I think this time the Touchdown really is
legal. Whee! All members of eir team score 20 points; the Football is
reset at (11,10).

"Adminball" is 669/0. (heh.)

Wonko Runs, then Flies Elbonian, landing at (12,13), at a cost of XXX
points.

"Consent of Ministers" is 670/0. (Why Wild Card is making two identical
proposals is somewhat beyond me... it's been seen on -business twice, and
the second appearance wasn't listed as a revision, so I'm obliged to treat
it as a second proposal.)

"Process" is 671/0.

"A Fix for Glotmorf" is 672/0.

"The rule of simple" is 673/0.

"Minister of the Survey of Ordinance" is 674/0 (and its author may wish to
consider revising it so that this Minister isn't aware of the location of
Scary Things and Shiny Things, or make some provision that prevents said
Minister from gaining benefit from eir insider information).

So... what'd I miss this time?

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
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Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 17:00:07 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Getting Even
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

My proposal for this nweek:

{{ __Insta-Minister__

If Proposal 672 failed, give 10 points from the Gremlin Fund to every
player that voted against Proposal 672, and 5 points from the Gremlin Fund
to every player that voted "ABSTAIN" or "SHELVE" on Proposal 672.

If Proposal 672 is shelved, shelve this proposal.

If Proposal 672 passed, create the following Rule:

{{
__Insta-Minister__ {* Minister, 1 *}

There exists a Ministry of Insta-Rules, also known as the Insta-Ministry.
The player holding the title of "Minister of Insta-Rules" may also be
referred to as the Insta-Minister.

The Insta-Minister has the power to recognize Insta-Rules.

The Insta-Minister must maintain a record of all current and valid
Insta-Rules, and the Insta-Ruler value of all players. This record must be
maintained in public view (i.e. on a Web page).

The Insta-Minister shall work with other relevant Ministers and the
Administrator to ensure all Insta-Rules are valid, and are being properly
applied. [[ i.e. if there's a Grid minister, the Insta-Minister should
politely point out when the other recognized an illegal action, so that it
can be promptly redacted ]]

The Insta-Minister shall be paid a salary of one point for each Insta-Rule
legally created or repealed during the nweek, paid at the end of each
nweek. After four consecutive nweeks of holding the title of
Insta-Minister, the Insta-Minister shall receive a bonus of 1 point of
Respect.

}}

Make Glotmorf the first Insta-Minister. [[ You want Insta-Rules so damn
bad, YOU deal with 'em. ]]

}}

Recognized as 675/0.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
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To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Revise proposal 674
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 18:07:53 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I revise proposal 674 by:
a) changing the title to __Ministry of the Survey for Ordinance__
[[Since the Ordinance Survey was originally the group who did Surveys
  for the benefits of Big Guns (i.e. change `of' to `for')]]
b) adding a paragraph before the last one with the following text:
{{
 Only the Admin is supposed to know why Shiny Things and Scary Dark
 Things are, therefore the Minister of the Ordinance Survey should
 make it clear when they recognise player moves so that the Admin can
 harf the effects of Shiny and Scary Things easily.  The Minister of
 the Ordinance Survey should also make such changes to their
 record of the Grid that the Admin requests that relate to Shiny and
 Scary Things.
}}

From: "Paul Smits" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Hewwo.....
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 13:19:21 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I, heretofore known as Aslan, wish to become a member of this game (if 
that's the right word). I vow that I shall be quiet and respectful until I 
have a better feel for the intricacies of the rules, at which point I shall 
wreak vengeance on everyone with a vowel in eir name. Or not. Only time will 
tell. Do we have time?

Aslan

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Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:18:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: B Nomic Business <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Actions
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I drop my status as a Cheerleader.
I jump off the Grid into Limbo.
I place myself On Leave.

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Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:49:53 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath=20Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: cfj 666
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Statement: The game has never had an object numbered
655. 

Analysis: 

The Reality Police had the sushi. 

The Reality Police's message implies that he sushified
the text: 

<CFJ><statement<ItcannotbedeterminedwhetherthisstatementappearswithinalegalCFJ.
</statement><defendant>BaronvonSkippy</defendant><analysis>Ihavethesushi.IfIranth
isthroughbabelfishasonebigwordandaddedthewhitespaceafterwards,it'slegal.IfIdidn'
t,it'snot.I'mnottelling.</analysis></CFJ>uin. 

then added whitespace and linebreaks. 

However sushifying it via Korean produces the text: 
Inside a Korean 

sushifying it via French and German produces the text:

ItcannotbedeterminedwhetherthisstatementappearswithinalegalCFJ.BaronvonSkippyIha
vethesushi.IfIranthisthroughbabelfishasonebigwordandaddedthewhitespaceafterwards
, it' slegal. IfIdidn' T, it' snot.I' mnottelling.uin.

Neither of these two can be turned into the message
sent by adding only whitespace and linebreaks,
therefore he failed to operate sushification correctly
and so the CFJ #655 never existed. 

Judgement
dunno

why?

because I said so!
I accept that the object labeled CFJ 655 is/was not a
CFJ, since it wasn't a legal post (on buisness forum
by player with sushi... unsusified).

Also there is no rule 655.

However I do not know if there has ever been an object
so numbered in the past.

If I'm stupid, and the system goes, give it the next
number up and we can only use each number once then
this CFI is TRUE.

=====
Like duct tape the force is, a light side and a dark side it has, holds the universe together it does, hmm.

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From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Here you go WC.
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 19:59:25 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ __Simplicity__

Create a rule entitled __The Slightly Less Important Not-So Default Case__ 
with a Chutzpah of 11 and the following -0- delimited text:

-0-
Any action indistinguishable from a legal action is legal.
-0-

Give half the points gained by this proposal's proponent as a result of its 
passing to Wild Card.

}}

Thanks Glotmorf, for the wonder that is DimShips.

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 20:37:31 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Rectification, please?
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

So, now that the admin can rectify existing rules, how about these?

r12: Certain rule changes are "Premissable"

r13: Players must consent to be "Goverened" by the rules

r21: Whenever a Player's score reaches or exceeds 1000 points, they are
immediately awarded a Win.
    [["e is" instead of "they are"?]]

r30: Votes may only be cast during the Voting.
    [[just "during Voting"? (or else it's wrong everywhere else)]]

r493: Rules that change the values of "dimensionss"

-- 
Wonko

Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 21:23:20 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal-Messing with the System
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I issue the following Charter Prop:

{{
__Let's get some points!__

[[This is a Charter Prop. It could be far more nefarious, but I don't want
to cause trouble - I just want to point out what's wrong with Charter Props.
Basically, everyone who votes for this gets 20 points if it passes, and only
1/3 of the players need to vote yes for it to pass. Just take the points and
run.]]

Create:

{{
__Points for All!__

There exists a Society called the Holy Order of Points.

Every player who voted for the proposal which created this rule is initially
a member of the Holy Order of Points.

New players may join by announcing eir intention to do so on a Public Forum;
Any member of the Holy Order of Points may be kicked out by any other member
of the Holy Order of Points. [[This is irrelevant anyway]]

The Holy Order of Points may not submit Club Props.

If at any time 1/3 or more of all players are members of the Holy Order of
Points, all members of the Holy Order of Points gain 20 points and are
immediately ousted from the club. [[and then, because it has no members, the
Club is disbanded as per r578]]

Wonko is the First Member of the Holy Order of Points.
}}
}}
-- 
Wonko

From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:10:24 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proosal: requires such dedication.
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<proosal>
<title>Requires such dedication.</title>
<body>
[[Sushi simplification; gets rid of the possibility of the sushi-holder rendering the gamestate undecidable. Also provides some way to punish people who bypass the sushi.]]
Amend rule 213 by:
replacing "may not" in the second sentence with "is encouraged not to";
replacing "may write" with "is encouraged to write";
replacing the second last paragraph with "Should the Player who has the Cursed Sushi of Babel (known also as the Cursed Player) post any message to a public Forum without first taking the steps prescribed above, they are said to have Denied the Undeniable Sushi.";
removing the last paragraph [[redunant now]].

Add "Denying the Undeniable Sushi, or attempting to do so by nefarious means [[such as concatenating all your message into one long word before translating it]]." to the LOGAS.
</body>
</proosal>

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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:14:40 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Drink!
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I drink a glass of champagne.
I grow tired of pasting.

uin.

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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:25:27 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proosal: Remember me, remember me.
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<proosal>
<title>Remember me, remember me.</title>
<body>
Create a new rule with the following @@@-delimited text, a chutzpah of 10, and the title "Comedy through repetition.".
@@@
Any players who voted against the proposal which created this rule shall have a score and charm of 0; these values may not be changed.

The following steps are performed once only in the order in which they appear:
Rule 212 is repealed.
All players who voted for the proposal which created this rule are given 235 points, and the title "Hero of the Revolution".
All players who voted against the proposal which created this rule are given the attribute "Smelly", and have their charm set to 0.
"Failing to appreciate comedy through repetition" is added to the LOGAS.
All text in this rule after the first sentence is removed.
@@@
</body>
</proosal>

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From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: leave
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:54:15 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I go on leave.  [[Just being sure... I won't be here this weekend.]]

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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From: Bryan Donlan <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: I join the game
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:02:27 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I join the game

Is there anything else I have to do?

Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:44:24 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Charter Prop.
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Wow, I should have read that more thouroughly.

Okay then, I issue the following Charter Prop:

{{
__Let's get some points!__

[[This is a Charter Prop. It could be far more nefarious, but I don't want
to cause trouble - I just want to point out what's wrong with Charter Props.
Basically, everyone who votes for this gets 20 points if it passes, and only
1/3 of the players need to vote yes for it to pass. Just take the points and
run.]]

Create:

{{
__Points for All!__

There exists a Society called the Holy Order of Points.

Every player who voted for the proposal which created this rule is initially
a member of the Holy Order of Points.

New players may join by announcing eir intention to do so on a Public Forum;
Any member of the Holy Order of Points may be kicked out by any other member
of the Holy Order of Points. [[This is irrelevant anyway]]

The Holy Order of Points may not submit Club Props.

Wonko is the First Member of the Holy Order of Points.
}}

Create:
{{
__The Other Exploitation__
If at any time 1/3 or more of all players are members of the Holy Order of
Points, all members of the Holy Order of Points gain 20 points and are
immediately ousted from the club. Then, the rule entitled __Points for
All!__ is repealed, after which this rule is repealed.
}}
}}

-- 
Wonko

From: Bryan Donlan <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: I join the game
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:50:25 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Friday 10 May 2002 05:49 pm, you wrote:
> I join the game
>
> Is there anything else I have to do?
I set my name to bd.
I set my PGP public key to the ascii-armored public key that is attached.

From: Bryan Donlan <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: I join the game
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:52:34 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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On Friday 10 May 2002 05:50 pm, you wrote:
> On Friday 10 May 2002 05:50 pm, you wrote:
> > On Friday 10 May 2002 05:49 pm, you wrote:
> > > I join the game
> > >
> > > Is there anything else I have to do?
> >
> > I set my name to bd.
> > I set my PGP public key to the ascii-armored public key that is attached.
>
> Err, this one.

I hate the header munging thingy. I'll put it in this message, then.

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From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: My happy DimShip
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 22:18:02 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I buy a DimShip, named the Sea Cucumber. I set it to 50 Score buoyancy, 50 
Style buoyancy, 50 Entropy ballast, and 50 Charm ballast. I'm a classy 
bastard, it would seem.

                                           BvS

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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 22:27:17 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Thuthi
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I give the thuthi to the ticket which is wild.  

						Glotmorf

Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 22:38:13 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Nweek 15 hole plugs
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _Nweek 15 hole plugs_

Add to the end of Rule 625 the text:

"Public forum messages that a Minister posts in accordance with eir=
 Ministerial duties are not subject to game objects and events that affect=
 the format of public forum messages. (E.g. the Scarf, the Sushi,=
 Entropy.)"

[[ Now that ministries have actually been proposed, this is about to become=
 an issue. ]]

Give Rule 625 a Chutzpah of 2.

Replace the second-to-last paragraph of Rule 493 with:

"A DimShip, once built, can be launched, which puts it into active use.  A=
 DimShip that has been launched can be landed, which takes it out of active=
 use.  DimShips can be landed at any time, and must be landed when adding=
 equipment or conducting repairs.  A DimShip is automatically landed when=
 its ballast and buoyancy limits are zero.  DimShips can be launched at the=
 end of the nweek."

Add to the end of the last paragraph of Rule 635 the text: "A DimShip=
 cannot shoot at a landed DimShip."

}}

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: On being a classy bastard
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 22:43:29 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I move to (11,10) and twiddle my thumbs.

If that's not legal because it's technically 1.414 spaces instead of 1, I 
move to (11,11).

                                              BvS

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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 22:43:08 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Prop: Less is More -- Lit Forms
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _Less is More: Lit Forms_

Change the text of Rule 437 with the text marked at start and end with=
 @@@@@ [[ which holds quotes from rules 437, 397, 357, 398, 399 and 438 ]]:

@@@@@
Proposals may be submitted in Literary Forms -- forms whose structure=
 enhances but does not interfere with the rules and actions being=
 presented. A Literary Form must allow the rules and actions being=
 presented to be clearly understood by all players. Literary Forms include=
 Prose Forms and Poetic Forms.

A. Poetic Forms

Poetic Forms are sets of restrictions that are defined to be such by the=
 ruleset. If a proposal confroming to a Poetic Form passes, its proponent=
 recieves 5 points, and e earns the Form Bonus of any forms the proposal=
 conformed to.

A.1. Haiku Form

[[ 
Players submitting 
Proposals in haiku form 
Earn 5 extra points 
]] 

Haiku Form is a Poetic Form. The Form Bonus for Haiku Form is 5 points. 

To be considered haiku form, a proposal must meet one of the following=
 restrictions: 

1) The proposal, not including the title and comments, has 3 lines of text=
 having 5 syllables, 7 syllables, and 5 syllables respectively. 

2) The proposal, including the title, but not the comments, has 3 lines of=
 text having 5 syllables, 7 syllables, and 5 syllables respectively. 

3) The proposal, not including the title and comments, has 3 lines of text=
 having 2 poetic feet, 3 poetic feet, and 2 poetic feet respectively. 

4) The proposal, including the title, but not the comments, has 3 lines of=
 text having 2 poetic feet, 3 poetic feet, and 2 poetic feet respectively. 

Define "Zen Master of Nomic" as a Title. 

If 3 or more of a player's haiku proposals have been adopted, that player=
 receives the Title "Zen Master Of Nomic".

A.2. The Limerick

A Limerick is a Poetic Form. To be a Limerick, a Proposal must conform to=
 all the following restrictions: 

1) It must be 5 lines in length, including or excluding the title. 
2) Lines 1, 2, and 5 must rhyme, and each be three poetic feet in length. 
3) Lines 3 and 4 must rhyme, and each be two poetic feet in length. 
4) Comments are excluded from all the above restrictions. 

The Form Bonus for a Limerick is 4 points.

A.3. The Cinquain

A Cinquain is a Poetic Form. To be a Cinquain, a Proposal must conform to=
 all the following restrictions: 

1) It must be 5 lines in length, including or excluding the title. 
2) Line 1 must be two syllables in length. 
3) Line 2 must be four syllables in length. 
4) Line 3 must be six syllables in length. 
5) Line 4 must be eight syllables in length. 
6) Line 5 must be two syllables in length. 
7) Comments are excluded from all the above restrictions. 

The Form Bonus for a Cinquain is 3 points.

B. Prose Forms

Prose Forms are Literary Forms, in which a proposal's rules and actions are=
 presented in the context of a story (defined in Webster's Unabridged=
 Dictionary as, 'a narrative, either true or fictitious, in prose or verse,=
 designed to interest, amuse or instruct the hearer or reader; a tale').=
 The rules and actions presented must be clearly delimited from the story=
 component, and at the same time must be reflected in the story component. 

When a player votes on a proposal which is in Prose Form, e may also give=
 that proposal a rating, which is an integer between 0 and 15. If e does=
 not, e is assumed to have given that proposal a rating of 7. If a proposal=
 in Prose Form passes, its proponent recieves a number of points equal to=
 the average of all ratings given to that proposal by players other than=
 the proponent who voted for the proposal.
@@@@@

Repeal Rules 397, 357, 398, 399 and 438.

}}

Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 22:45:12 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Just to Show It Can Be Done
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _Just to Show It Can Be Done -- a Short Dim Ship Tale_

[[

We had our new gun.  I was not thrilled by the thought that we might use=
 it, but it was there, big and bold and primed to fire.

We did not go back to Hell.  It might have been good to learn from them,=
 find out why there was such a war, and what made them tick...but these=
 were folks that had been at war all their lives, armed of course, who had=
 been taught to kill or be killed.  I did not want aught of those.

So we checked out high ent. and high charm -- think "Care Bears" -- and sat=
 back to be bored and ill while I took notes...and then there it was, right=
 in front of us.

A ship.  Like ours.

Well, not quite like ours.  It was big...quite big.  And a stark deep blue,=
 and had two stripes down its length.  As in, it had style; they had made=
 the choice to pay for a bit of style with speed and range.  And it had a=
 gun, which it worked to train on us.

The Old Man stared at the screen. "Mr. Morf.  Is our gun primed to fire?"

"Yes sir.  I'm on it."

Their ship was slow...its style and its arms slowed it down, so that it=
 turned like a fat pig in mud.  They had moved first, but we did too as I=
 brought our gun to bear.  It was a strange slo-mo race...

They turned.  They aimed.

I fired.

A wave of pink splashed on the front of our foe's craft.  It blocked ports,=
 it jammed their gun.  And it stank.  Our doors had what we thought were=
 air-tight seals, but the smell of old bait still came through.

We saw their hatch pop, and a man start to climb on the hull to try to=
 clear the gunk.  His boss stood in the door, so choked with rage we could=
 see his words made no sense at all to his crew.

The Old Man cleared his throat, his eyes still on the screen. "Mr. Morf."

"You said we could do it my way, sir."

"I know this."

"And it seemed to work."

"Yes, but...What in God's name was in that gun?"

I smiled. "Raw fish."

"Ah."

]]

Add to the end of Rule 213 this text:

"If one owns a dim ship with a gun and gets the raw fish, one can shoot the=
 fish, once per nweek, at a dim ship with no wait time."

At the end of the text "The Cursed Sushi of Babel" in the first par. of=
 Rule 213, add the text ", a.k.a. the Raw Fish,".

[[

We watched the clean-up go on for a while, then set course for home.  I=
 made a note to run a tape from the log of the flight; it should give the=
 lab crew a laugh.

"I can not say it did not work," said the Old Man, "but next time I think=
 we should try it...my way."

"As you say, sir."

]]

}}

Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 22:55:48 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Prop: Judgment Props
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _The People Have Spoken!_

{{ _Judgment Props_

A Judgment Prop is a proposal that addresses the legality of actions taken=
 in the game, by Players or the Administrator.  Implementation of an event=
 is considered an action by the Administrator.

A Judgment Prop consists of three items:

- a declaration that it is, in fact, a Judgment Prop (mandatory)

- a Statement that pertains to an action taken either the same nweek as or=
 the nweek before the Judgment Prop was written, and that, if the Judgment=
 Prop passes, will be added to the list of judgments with a ruling of=
 "TRUE" (mandatory)

- a Remedy to be implemented consisting of a change to the gamestate=
 (optional)

A Judgment Prop does not count against bandwidth restrictions, and does not=
 cause points to be gained or lost like a regular proposal.  A Judgment=
 Prop requires at least a 2/3 affirmative vote to pass.

If a Judgment Prop is Shelved, it remains a Judgment Prop in the following=
 nweek.

}}

}}

Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:00:43 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Prop: Modular Chutzpah
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _Not Everybody is a Number_

Add to the end of Rule 497 this text:

"A subsection can have Chutzpah ratings independent of and different from=
 the rule or subsection that contains it.  The subsection Chutzpah is=
 specified next to the subsection title.

If multiple subsections of a rule conflict with another rule, only those=
 subsections with a Chutzpah higher than the conflicting rule will take=
 priority over the conflicting rule. If multiple subsections of a rule=
 conflict with each other, the subsection with the highest Chutzpah takes=
 precedence; otherwise, normal precedence rules are followed."

}}

Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:08:48 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Football
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I run to (11,10).
I pick up the football.
I boot the football at (1,10).

(Think you can thtart heading down, WC?)

						Glotmorf

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Football 
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 13:06:34 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> In I starting football (1,10). 

In I run, (2,14). 

}wc{.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Revise proposal 674 
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 14:06:01 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> " Why light me the thing and it is horrible it is dark the thing " 
> it boiled? 

With me as the fringe land light I which amend an inside 674 shine 
in the place, why. 

 }wc{.    

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Revise proposal 674 
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 14:25:38 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

at second testing station (those uses itself the luchs!)) 

> and "why the shining things and those are effrayantes dark things"? 

In suggestion 674 it changes the first word {{ why }} on {{ where }} 

job card.

Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 00:12:43 -0400
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Getting Even
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quoth David E. Smith,

> My proposal for this nweek:
> 
> {{ __Insta-Minister__
> 
> If Proposal 672 failed, give 10 points from the Gremlin Fund to every
> player that voted against Proposal 672, and 5 points from the Gremlin Fund
> to every player that voted "ABSTAIN" or "SHELVE" on Proposal 672.
> 
Paying people to vote me down? I think not.

r155:

No player or other game entity may submit a proposal that calls for one or
more effects that discriminate in any way between players based on their
voting actions on that proposal, or any other specific proposal or proposals
identified in the proposal.

-- 
Wonko

Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 00:35:54 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal - Bonus Boxes
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__Bonus Boxes__

In r301, remove the text:
"The Grid shall initially contain five Shiny Things and five Scary Dark
Things. The Administrator shall randomly determine the initial location of
each of the five Shiny Things and each of the five Scary Dark Things. For
each Shiny Thing or each Scary Dark Thing, the Administrator shall generate
a random location by using the value of each die of 2d20 to generate the x
and y coordinates of each Shiny Thing and each Scary Dark Thing. The
Administrator shall never reveal the current locations of the Shiny Things
and Scary Dark Things to any Player, unless in a manner prescribed by the
rules. 
If at any time a Player occupies the same grid location as a Shiny Thing, e
will be awarded 25 points and the Shiny Thing will be removed from the grid
and added to the Relocation Queue.
If at any time a Player occupies the same grid location as a Scary Dark
Thing, e will lose 25 points, and the Scary Dark Thing will be removed from
the grid and added to the Relocation Queue. If the Player then has zero or
less points, eir point total is set to zero, and e is removed from the grid
and returned to Limbo.
If at any time a Shiny or Dark Thing (either one) occupies the same grid
location as another Shiny or Dark Thing (either one), both Things will be
removed from the grid and added to the Relocation Queue.
While there are Things in the Relocation Queue, the Administrator will
teleport each in turn to a randomly determined location on the grid. "

Create:
{{
__Bonus Boxes__

There exist Passable MOs called Bonus Boxes. Each Bonus Box has a type. If
at any time a Player occupies the same grid location as a Bonus Box, the
Player is said to have found that Box, and the Box will be removed from the
grid, assigned a new random type, and put back on the Grid at a random
vacant location.
If, at any time, a Box occupies the same square as another Grid Object and
the square in question does not contain a player, that box will be assigned
a random type and moved to a random vacant location.
The Administrator shall never reveal the current locations or types of the
Bonus Boxes to any Player, unless in a manner prescribed by the rules.

There exist Bonus Boxes called Shiny Things. When a player finds a Shiny
Thing, e recieves 25 points from the Gremlin Fund, if it has at least 25
points.

There exist Bonus Boxes called Scary Things. When a player finds a Scary
Thing, e loses 25 points to the Gremlin Fund.

There exist Bonus Boxes called Black Holes. When a player finds a Black
Hole, any Gnomes in eir possession are destroyed, and any Gremlins in eir
possession are thrown into Limbo.

There exist Bonus Boxes called White Holes. When a player finds a White
Hole, all Gnomes and Gremlins within 4 spaces of eir location, including
those in the possession of players within 4 spaces of the location, are
moved to the possession of the player who found the White Hole.
}}

Remove the text " If after a player runs, e occupies the same location as a
Shiny Thing or a Scary Dark Thing, eir score changes by only 1/5 of the
amount defined in rule 301. This rule supercedes rule 301 in this respect."
from r349.

Change r466 to read
"Each player has an attribute called Radar. All players initially have a
Radar of 2. If a square containing a Bonus Box is within x squares of a
player, where x is that player's Radar, then the admin shall reveal where
the Bonus Box is, but not what type of Box it is."
}} 

-- 
Wonko

Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 09:22:50 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Sunday morning)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"Ministry of the Survey for Ordinance" is 674/1 (rectified: the Admin is
supposed to know WHERE Shinies are, not WHY they are. The latter form is
just a bit too deep even for this Nomic.)

Aslan joins the game. Welcome!

Congenital Optimist retires from cheerleading and goes On Leave. (There's
no legal way of which I'm aware presently by which e could jump to Limbo,
so that action is ignored.)

Naath's judgment is recorded (TRUE) on CFI666, under the clause attached
at the end, to wit:

"If I'm stupid, and the system goes, give it the next number up and we can
only use each number once then this CFI is TRUE."

Because that's the system. :)

"The rule of simple" shouldn't have been recognized, and is duly
un-recognized. Its replacement, "Simplicity," by The Voice, takes its
place (673/0).

I look over Wonko's list of proposed rectifications, and act upon some of
them: 12 (premissible), 13 (goverened), 493 (dimensionss). The others
involve more than an "obvious" spelling change. Heck, someone might find a
way to use the "they are" bit in Rule 21 as a rules hack of some sort, and
taking that away wouldn't be fair.

"Let's get some points!" is 676/0. (If you really want it to be a charter
prop, consider putting that text in the body somewhere other than in a
comment.)

"Requires such dedication." is 677/0.

As The Reality Police has no champagne to drink, eir big long list of "I
drink a glass of champagne." actions does not in fact occur.

"Remember me, remember me." is 678/0.

The Voice goes on Leave.

"bd" joins the game. Welcome! (The game doesn't recognize PGP keys, and
besides, I can't connect your key to mine through any trusted signatures,
so it doesn't count anyway. :)

"Let's get some points!" is 676/1. (Since it creates something other than
a Charter - i.e. the rule "The Other Exploitation," I still don't think it
counts as a Charter Prop.

Baron von Skippy buys a DimShip. (Since e can't launch it 'til the end of
the nweek, eir virtual dimensions don't count.)

Glotmorf gives the Sushi to, erm, Wild Card, I think.

"Nweek 15 hole plugs" is 679/0.

Baron von Skippy moves on the Grid.

"Less is More: Lit Forms" is 680/0.
"Just to Show It Can Be Done -- a Short Dim Ship Tale" is 681/0.
"The People Have Spoken!" is 682/0.
"Not Everybody is a Number" is 683/0.

Glotmorf Runs to the Football, grabs it, and Punts. When it lands, at the
end of the nweek, its location will be (2,8).

Wild Card runs vaguely towards the Football.

"Bonus Boxes" is 684/0.

It's nday 6, so midweek events occur: The Weather updates again (to 20
degrees. Positively balmy, I'd say.), and Curt and Rod move a couple
spaces.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"I need EVERY brain cell blazing
to outwit my invisible enemies!"
 -- Bart Simpson

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Before I forget...
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 11:11:13 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I set my gender to male.

From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: leave
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:05:28 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I come back from leave (after getting more sleep this weekend than I 
expected or intended to get).

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:59:35 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Split Props -> A La Carte Props
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The Prez of M-Tek makes this Club Prop:

{{ _Would You Like Fries with That?_

{{ _A La Carte Props_

An A La Carte Prop is a proposal that contains multiple Items which can be=
 voted for separately, if a voting Player chooses, rather than together=
 under a single vote.  A single vote cast for the entire A La Carte Prop=
 will cast that vote for all of its Items.

Each Item in an A La Carte Prop must be identified uniquely in the=
 proposal, as "Item <item #>: <text>".  If a Player casts votes for Items=
 rather than the entire proposal, the individual votes must be identified=
 as being for the particular Items.

If some, but not all, of an A La Carte Prop's Items pass, they are=
 implemented.  If some, but not all, of the Items are Shelved, a proposal=
 is created in the following nweek that belongs to the proposing Player and=
 that contains only the Shelved Items.

If some, but not all, of an A La Carte Prop's Items pass, die rolls are=
 done for both points gained (X) and points lost (Y).  With number of Items=
 I, the proposing Player receives (X * (<# of passed items>/I)) points and=
 loses (Y * (<# of failed items>/I)) points.  The change in Charm is ((<#=
 of passed items>/I) - (<# of failed items>/I)), rounded to the nearest=
 integer.  The change in Entropy is (<# of passed items>/I).

Items can declare they are contingent on the passage of smaller-numbered=
 Items.  Items are processed in the order of their Item number.

}}

}}

[[ Yes, I know I'm the only member of M-Tek at the moment, but I do have an=
 invitation pending... ]]

Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 14:02:26 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: *grumble*
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[ Don'cha hate realizing a change that has to be made the very moment=
 after you've clicked Send? ]]

Add to the end of the proposal "Would You Like Fries with That?" the text:

"If this proposal passes, give Bean (originator of the idea) and Wonko=
 (refiner of the idea) each 1/3 of the points the proposal earns."

						Glotmorf

Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 14:24:19 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Prop change
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In prop 680, replathe the tectht delimited by @@@ with the tectht delimited=
 by @@@@.

@@@
Define "Zen Master of Nomic" as a Title. 

If 3 or more of a player's haiku proposals have been adopted, that player=
 receives the Title "Zen Master Of Nomic". 
@@@

@@@@
"Zen Master of Nomic" is a Title.  If 3 or more of a player's haiku=
 proposals have been adopted, that player receives this Title.
@@@@

						Glotmorf

Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 14:26:50 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: In cathe there'th any quethtion...
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[ Conthider thith a replathement to the earlier "Would You Like Frieth=
 with That?" ]]

The Prez of M-Tek maketh thith Club Prop:

{{ _Would You Like Fries with That?_

{{ _A La Carte Props_

An A La Carte Prop is a proposal that contains multiple Items which can be=
 voted for separately, if a voting Player chooses, rather than together=
 under a single vote.  A single vote cast for the entire A La Carte Prop=
 will cast that vote for all of its Items.

Each Item in an A La Carte Prop must be identified uniquely in the=
 proposal, as "Item <item #>: <text>".  If a Player casts votes for Items=
 rather than the entire proposal, the individual votes must be identified=
 as being for the particular Items.

If some, but not all, of an A La Carte Prop's Items pass, they are=
 implemented.  If some, but not all, of the Items are Shelved, a proposal=
 is created in the following nweek that belongs to the proposing Player and=
 that contains only the Shelved Items.

If some, but not all, of an A La Carte Prop's Items pass, die rolls are=
 done for both points gained (X) and points lost (Y).  With number of Items=
 I, the proposing Player receives (X * (<# of passed items>/I)) points and=
 loses (Y * (<# of failed items>/I)) points.  The change in Charm is ((<#=
 of passed items>/I) - (<# of failed items>/I)), rounded to the nearest=
 integer.  The change in Entropy is (<# of passed items>/I).

Items can declare they are contingent on the passage of smaller-numbered=
 Items.  Items are processed in the order of their Item number.

}}

If this proposal passes, give Bean (originator of the idea) and Wonko=
 (refiner of the idea) each 1/3 of the points the proposal earns.

}}

[[ Yeth, I know I'm the only member of M-Tek at the moment, but I do have=
 an invitation pending... ]]

Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 23:33:54 +0100 (BST)
From: ID Scott <[email-masked]>
To: Glotmorf <[email-masked]>
cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Split Props -> A La Carte Props
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, your invitation sounds like a fun perverson of the rules, so why
not? do we have any rules for the adding of players to groups? (or is it
clubs?)

cheers,
Iain

On Sun, 12 May 2002, Glotmorf wrote:

> The Prez of M-Tek makes this Club Prop:
> 
> {{ _Would You Like Fries with That?_
> 
> {{ _A La Carte Props_
> 
> An A La Carte Prop is a proposal that contains multiple Items which can be voted for separately, if a voting Player chooses, rather than together under a single vote.  A single vote cast for the entire A La Carte Prop will cast that vote for all of its Items.
> 
> Each Item in an A La Carte Prop must be identified uniquely in the proposal, as "Item <item #>: <text>".  If a Player casts votes for Items rather than the entire proposal, the individual votes must be identified as being for the particular Items.
> 
> If some, but not all, of an A La Carte Prop's Items pass, they are implemented.  If some, but not all, of the Items are Shelved, a proposal is created in the following nweek that belongs to the proposing Player and that contains only the Shelved Items.
> 
> If some, but not all, of an A La Carte Prop's Items pass, die rolls are done for both points gained (X) and points lost (Y).  With number of Items I, the proposing Player receives (X * (<# of passed items>/I)) points and loses (Y * (<# of failed items>/I)) points.  The change in Charm is ((<# of passed items>/I) - (<# of failed items>/I)), rounded to the nearest integer.  The change in Entropy is (<# of passed items>/I).
> 
> Items can declare they are contingent on the passage of smaller-numbered Items.  Items are processed in the order of their Item number.
> 
> }}
> 
> }}
> 
> [[ Yes, I know I'm the only member of M-Tek at the moment, but I do have an invitation pending... ]]
> 
> 

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Material
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 23:57:28 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I borrow 30 scores from the Luigi. 
I purchase the DimShip. 
I send my DimShip of the nweek outside with the lastly. 

}wc{

Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:17:47 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Split Props -> A La Carte Props
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 5/12/02 at 11:33 PM ID Scott wrote:

>Well, your invitation sounds like a fun perverson of the rules, so why
>not? do we have any rules for the adding of players to groups? (or is it
>clubs?)
>
>cheers,
>Iain

I'd made the invitation privately, and reiterate it now publicly: Iain'th=
 invited to join M-Tek.  I gather from Ian'th methage that he acthepth it.

Far ath I know, thath all it taketh.  Mr. A, Iain'th in M-Tek now.

						Glotmorf

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:01:47 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Oh god... It's nday 7, and I haven't unleashed the next phase of the Plan. 
Damnations. And you folks shelved prop 6-6-1 because it involved respecting. 
Okay, that I can fix, although I liked the original idea...

Replace the text of the second paragraph inside the BYOB delimiters of 
Proposal 661 (the para. about wine) to read:

"Wine is an alcohlic drink whose quantity is measured in glasses. A glass of 
Wine raises a player's BAC by 1. A player may pay 2d3 points for a glass of 
Wine, the drinking of which will give them 1d3 Style points."

[[I split the difference between the types of Wine.]]

Does that make people happy? I hope so, as there's not much time left to fix 
it...

                                           Cheers,
                                             BvS

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From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Uncultured swine and elite snobs
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:02:57 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[Sorry if this got sent twice.]]

Oh god... It's nday 7, and I haven't unleashed the next phase of the Plan. 
Damnations. And you folks shelved prop 6-6-1 because it involved respecting. 
Okay, that I can fix, although I liked the original idea...

Replace the text of the second paragraph inside the BYOB delimiters of 
Proposal 661 (the para. about wine) to read:

"Wine is an alcohlic drink whose quantity is measured in glasses. A glass of 
Wine raises a player's BAC by 1. A player may pay 2d3 points for a glass of 
Wine, the drinking of which will give them 1d3 Style points."

[[I split the difference between the types of Wine.]]

Does that make people happy? I hope so, as there's not much time left to fix 
it...

                                           Cheers,
                                             BvS

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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:18:02 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal - The End of the World
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__The End is Nigh!__

In r440, replace the numbered list with:

"
* All sirens, big rocks, Gnomes, big sticks, shields, and balls of wax are
destroyed. 
* All players are placed into Limbo.
* All properties of grid squares [[such as Wet or Frozen]] are removed.
* The Yeti is moved to a random square on the grid.
* All Gremlins go into Hiding.
* The Football is moved to a random square as if a touchdown had been
scored.
* In r394, section A.2, the numbers 1 and 20 are switched. [[swap
endzones!]]
* All Insta-Rules are destroyed.
* Four Insta-Rules are enacted:
{It is illegal to enter or remain in (10,10) without bouncing Elbonia-style}
{It is illegal to enter or remain in (10,11) without bouncing Elbonia-style}
{It is illegal to enter or remain in (11,11) without bouncing Elbonia-style}
{It is illegal to enter or remain in (11,10) without bouncing Elbonia-style}
* All Grid squares become of substance Fire.
* All players receive 10 points.
* All players' Entropy values are set to 0.

At the end of the nweek in which the above occurs, all Grid squares lose eir
substances, 5 random squares become Mud, and the Big Stick is placed on a
random square.
"

Add 'Fire' to the list of Grid Substances.
Append to r301 the following:
"When a player enters a square of Fire, e loses 2d5 points."

Give half the points earned by this proposal to the Voice.
}}
-- 
Wonko

Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 23:57:21 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Prop: Termination Procedures
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The Prez of M-Tek maketh a club prop:

{{ _Termination Procedures_

Add to the end of Rule 630 the text:

"If a Player leaves a Club, and the Club made Club Props earlier that same=
 nweek while the Player was a member, those Club Props still count against=
 the Player's Bandwidth, and the ballot results of those Club Props will=
 still affect the Player's Score, Charm and Entropy.  The Player will not,=
 however, auto-vote Yes for the Club Props."

}}

[[ Thith thould be my limit, thankth to the Token -- my five, pluth two=
 Club Propth at half a prop each.  Iain can thtill thubmit four propth on=
 eir own. ]]

From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 06:47:09 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<cfj>
<statement>A player may drink a glass of champagne at any time, regardless of whether any glasses of champagne exist.</statement>
<analysis>
Rule 503 states "A player may drink a glass of champagne by announcing that e is doing so in a public forum, this causes it to be destroyed." Admittedly, the "causes it to be destroyed" clause might *imply* that there has to be a glass of champagne there, but it doesn't actually seem to be *required* anywhere (and note that one could certainly drink someone else's champagne). Common sense would indicate this statement is false, but the rules take precedence, and they say one may drink.
</analysis>
</cfj>

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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 06:50:11 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proosal: I'm right behind you.
Sender: [email-masked]
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<proosal>
<title>I'm right behind you.</title>
<body>
If and only if this proposal got more votes in favour than proposal 677, repeal rule 213.
[["Bored now."]]
</body>
</proosal>

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From: "Aslan the Great" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:28:30 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
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[[To all:

I have printed out, read, highlighted, cross-referenced, and indexed the 
rules.

I have pondered, considered, speculated, and thrown chicken bones to 
determine my next step.

I have reached the conclusion that stepping into the middle of a game like 
this is like... being a democratic candidate for president riding in a tank 
with a ridiculous helmet on. It simply can't do you any good.

I therefore withdraw myself as a player (whatever the technical terms are 
for that statement, please consider them made), and bequeath my non-existant 
resources to The Voice, who appreciates the supernatural powers of sleep.

To "bd" I say: a new player (that would be you) who calls a seasoned played 
(that would be BvS) a fool shows that even without pulling down his pants, 
everyone can see that he is an ass. May you fail to breed.

If a new game begins involving any or all of the current players, please let 
me know. It's this jumping into the middle of a whirlpool thing that 
overwhelms the few neurons I have left. Bzzzzzt. Click. Goodbye.

Aslan the Great (or so he claims)

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Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:45:24 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: M-Tek
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<CFJ>
There is no club called M-Tek.

Defendant: Glotmorf

Analysis:
As Glotmorf has repeatedly insisted, Charter Props are not normal Props.
Because the Charter Rule says so, Charter Props are put on the Ballot and
voted on. However, the Charter Rule does not account for the following
things which they are excluded from by not being proposals:
They don't recieve Serial Numbers (r5)
They may attempt to temporarily circumvent the rules (r10)
They may not be revised (r19)
**They are not processed, nor do their actions take effect**, nor may they
be vetoed, nor do they cause dimension changes to their proponents (r32)
They need not be displayed for public review (r211)
They may not be rectified by the admin to change 'day' to 'nday' (r257)
They are not exempt from the Scarf's effects (r258)
They may not modify the LOGAS (r260)

There are other things Charter Props are excluded from, but the important
thing is that their actions do not take effect. Thus, there is no M-Tek.
</CFJ>
-- 
Wonko

Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:49:40 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: PropChange
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In my proposal entitled __The End is Nigh!__ , I replace the text "* All
sirens, big rocks, Gnomes, big sticks, shields, and balls of wax are
destroyed. "

with 
"* All sirens, big rocks, big sticks, shields, and balls of wax are
destroyed. 
* All Gnomes not in Gnome bags are destroyed.
* The Weather is updated"

The last bit's there so we need not worry about many Winter/Summer/Weather
Gnomes all dying at once.

Then, I put all Gnomes in my possession in my Gnome Bag.
-- 
Wonko

Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:22:47 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Revision
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In my proposal entitled __Bonus Boxes__, after the sentence
"When a player finds a Black Hole, any Gnomes in eir possession are
destroyed, and any Gremlins in eir possession are thrown into Limbo."

I add "Weather Gnomes destroyed in this way have no effect"

-- 
Wonko

Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:24:30 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Football move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I run to (10, 8).

-- 
Rob Speer

From: "Ed Murphy" <[email-masked]>
To: "B Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: I become a player
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:33:50 -0700
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I am capable of passing the Turing test.  (Insert favorite insult here.)
I consent to be designated as a player, and to be governed by the rules.

I thereby become a player, per the auspiciously numbered Rule 13.

I select M as my gender, per Rule 295.

-- 
Ed Murphy <[email-masked]>          "I'm not sure I can go through
http://members.fortunecity.com/emurphy/      with it.  Leave, I mean."

Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:56:51 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ 25 judgement
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[CFJ 621 is: Bean did not receive 25 points for landing on a Shiny
Thing; e only got 5. ]]

I judge TRUE.

Analysis: there's a rule somewhere which says football players only gain
or lose 1/5 of the points from Shiny and Dark Things, and I won't bother
to look up the rule number.

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:37:43 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: CFJ [621] judgement
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Let me point out that the previous message was in fact supposed to be
titled "CFJ 621 Judgement". The 25 was a brain fart. Luckily message
subjects don't do anything.

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 07:04:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Tuesday morning)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

bd sets a gender.

The Voice returns from leave.

Club Props... Hm. I hope these don't become too frequent, because right
now they involve minimal database hacking (changing the proposal's "owner"
to be the appropriate Club) by hand.

"Would You Like Fries with That?" is 685/0, 685/1, 685/2
"Less is More: Lit Forms" is 680/1.

Wild Card borrows 30 Points from The Gremlin Fund and buys a DimShip.

Iain joins M-Tek.

"Termination Procedures" is 686/0.

"One tequila..." is 661/1.

"The End is Nigh!" is sick... er, 687/0, 687/1.

The Reality Police's "infinite champagne" CFI is 688, assigned to Baron
von Skippy.

"I'm right behind you." is 689/0.

Aslan forfeits. That's gotta be a record of some sort...

Wonko's "There Is No M-Tek" CFI is 690, assigned to bd.

"Bonus Boxes" is 684/1.

Rob runs on the Grid.

Rob Judges CFI621. (I had adjusted the score to reflect that rather a
while back, but it's nice to have it on the record.)

Proposal 668 in fact shouldn't exist, due to Entropy limits. We shall
pretend it never existed...

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
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to outwit my invisible enemies!"
 -- Bart Simpson

Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 07:09:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: NWEEK 15 BALLOT
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following measures are on the ballot for nweek 15:

Proposal 661/1: One tequila, two tequila, three keteela, floor
		(Baron von Skippy)
Proposal 667/0: Finding the right Shelf (Wonko)
Proposal 668/0: Consent of Ministers (Wild Card)
Proposal 669/0: Adminball (The Voice)
Proposal 670/0: Consent of Ministers (Wild Card)
Proposal 671/0: Process (Wild Card)
Proposal 672/0: A Fix for Glotmorf (Wonko)
Proposal 673/0: Simplicity (The Voice)
Proposal 674/1: Ministry of the Survey for Ordinance (Wild Card)
Proposal 675/0: Insta-Minister (The Administrator)
Proposal 676/1: Let's get some points! (Wonko)
Proposal 677/0: Requires such dedication. (The Reality Police)
Proposal 678/0: Remember me, remember me. (The Reality Police)
Proposal 679/0: Nweek 15 hole plugs (Glotmorf)
Proposal 680/1: Less is More: Lit Forms (Glotmorf)
Proposal 681/0: Just to Show It Can Be Done -- a Short Dim Ship Tale
		(Glotmorf)
Proposal 682/0: The People Have Spoken! (Glotmorf)
Proposal 683/0: Not Everybody is a Number (Glotmorf)
Proposal 684/1: Bonus Boxes (Wonko)
Proposal 685/2: Would You Like Fries with That? (M-Tek)
Proposal 686/0: Termination Procedures (M-Tek)
Proposal 687/1: The End is Nigh! (Wonko)
Proposal 689/0: I'm right behind you. (The Reality Police)

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Voting
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:22:09 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Inside 661 - it is like that.

The material more in subject of the BAC.  We where when the actuality
police is the right side do not know way of speaking it tighten but
scorched with the high piece the fact that.

The inside 667 - is like that.

The Should've which is this method original.

The inside 669 is not -.

Why the football which is not?

The inside 670 - is like that.

(Process)

The inside 671 - is like that.

(ditto)

Inside 672 - }abstain{.

The inside 673 - is like that.

(Laugh)

The inside 674 - is like that.

My idea:

Inside 675 - it is like that.

Good one thing.

The inside 676 is not -.

SCAM!

Inside 677 - }abstain{.

The inside 678 is not -.

SCAM!

The inside 679 - is like that.

It was important.

Inside 680 - }abstain{.

The inside 681 - is like that, 12 it evaluates

Inside 682 - }abstain{.

One smallness was positive.

The inside 683 - is like that.

It was complicated and but the possibility of being useful there was
one sound.

The inside 684 - is like that.

We it classifies but from the Ordinence material the fact that.

The inside 685 - is like that.

The inside 686 - is like that.

The inside 687 - is like that.

The inside 689 is not -.

}wc{

Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:46:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Lepage <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Votes
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Please note that I am Wonko. Not Dan. Wonko.

>Proposal 661/1: One tequila, two tequila, three
>keteela, floor
>(Baron von Skippy)
Yes. I set my DimShip's Ballast to 50 entropy, 50 BAC.
>Proposal 667/0: Finding the right Shelf (Wonko)
Yes.
>Proposal 668/0: Consent of Ministers (Wild Card)
Yes, if it exists.
>Proposal 669/0: Adminball (The Voice)
Yes. Hey, why not?
>Proposal 670/0: Consent of Ministers (Wild Card)
Yes(ah, reality)
>Proposal 671/0: Process (Wild Card)
Yes
>Proposal 672/0: A Fix for Glotmorf (Wonko)
Yes
>Proposal 673/0: Simplicity (The Voice)
Yes
>Proposal 674/1: Ministry of the Survey for >Ordinance
(Wild Card)
Yes
>Proposal 675/0: Insta-Minister (The >Administrator)
No
>Proposal 676/1: Let's get some points! (Wonko)
Yes
>Proposal 677/0: Requires such dedication. (The
>Reality Police)
Yes
>Proposal 678/0: Remember me, remember me. >(The
Reality Police)
Yes
>Proposal 679/0: Nweek 15 hole plugs (Glotmorf)
Yes
>Proposal 680/1: Less is More: Lit Forms >(Glotmorf)
Yes
>Proposal 681/0: Just to Show It Can Be Done -- a
>Short Dim Ship Tale
	>	(Glotmorf)
No - this does nothing. Besides, what's it mean for a
dimship to have 'no wait time'?
>Proposal 682/0: The People Have Spoken! >(Glotmorf)
Yes
>Proposal 683/0: Not Everybody is a Number >(Glotmorf)
No. It's an okay idea, but it's going to
overcomplicate things tremendously. Just make each
subsection a seperate rule.
>Proposal 684/1: Bonus Boxes (Wonko)
Yes
>Proposal 685/2: Would You Like Fries with That?
>(M-Tek)
I'd kind of like to vote yes, but there is no M-Tek.
>Proposal 686/0: Termination Procedures (M-Tek)
See above.
>Proposal 687/1: The End is Nigh! (Wonko)
Yes
>Proposal 689/0: I'm right behind you. (The Reality
>Police)
Yes

-- 
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:52:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Lepage <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Judment
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

CFJ 622/0
CFJ by Wild Card
Assigned Judge: Wonko

Statement: This CFJ created a thread-split.

Judgment: False.

Analysis: Why would it?

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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:02:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Lepage <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Actions
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I set my DimShip to:
Buoyancy: 50 Score, 10 Respect, 40 BAC (Woohoo!)
Ballast: 60 Entropy

-- 
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From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ 688
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:43:21 -0400
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CFJ 688 reads:
"Statement: A player may drink a glass of champagne at any time, regardless 
of whether any glasses of champagne exist.

"Analysis:
Rule 503 states "A player may drink a glass of champagne by announcing that 
e is doing so in a public forum, this causes it to be destroyed." 
Admittedly, the "causes it to be destroyed" clause might *imply* that there 
has to be a glass of champagne there, but it doesn't actually seem to be 
*required* anywhere (and note that one could certainly drink someone else's 
champagne). Common sense would indicate this statement is false, but the 
rules take precedence, and they say one may drink."

Ruling:
After reading the rule in question, I have to, sadly, judge this CFJ to be 
TRUE.

Analysis:
There is no place where a price tag is put on a glass of Champagne.  While I 
hope that this hole is patched soon, I would also note to uin that, having 
drunk in excess of two dozen glasses of bubbly (I counted), e now will be 
inebriated for about 20 nweeks, or, with no switches to wtime, 6 months, 
real-world. Go ahead, uin, throw a Beer Can. Copper's getting rusty.

                                                       Bottoms up,
                                                           BvS

I'm gonna go hide under my nuke-proof desk now.

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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:56:34 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath=20Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: NWEEK 15 BALLOT
To: [email-masked]
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 --- "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]> wrote: >
The following measures are on the ballot for nweek
> 15:
> 
> Proposal 661/1: One tequila, two tequila, three
> keteela, floor
> 		(Baron von Skippy)
yes
> Proposal 667/0: Finding the right Shelf (Wonko)
yes

> Proposal 669/0: Adminball (The Voice)
yes
> Proposal 670/0: Consent of Ministers (Wild Card)
yes
> Proposal 671/0: Process (Wild Card)
no
> Proposal 672/0: A Fix for Glotmorf (Wonko)
yes
> Proposal 673/0: Simplicity (The Voice)
yes
> Proposal 674/1: Ministry of the Survey for Ordinance
> (Wild Card)
yes
> Proposal 675/0: Insta-Minister (The Administrator)
yes
> Proposal 676/1: Let's get some points! (Wonko)
yes
> Proposal 677/0: Requires such dedication. (The
> Reality Police)
no
> Proposal 678/0: Remember me, remember me. (The
> Reality Police)
yes
> Proposal 679/0: Nweek 15 hole plugs (Glotmorf)
yes
> Proposal 680/1: Less is More: Lit Forms (Glotmorf)
yse
> Proposal 681/0: Just to Show It Can Be Done -- a
> Short Dim Ship Tale
> 		(Glotmorf)
yes
> Proposal 682/0: The People Have Spoken! (Glotmorf)
yes
> Proposal 683/0: Not Everybody is a Number (Glotmorf)
yes
> Proposal 684/1: Bonus Boxes (Wonko)
yes
> Proposal 685/2: Would You Like Fries with That?
> (M-Tek)
yes
> Proposal 686/0: Termination Procedures (M-Tek)
yes
> Proposal 687/1: The End is Nigh! (Wonko)
yes
> Proposal 689/0: I'm right behind you. (The Reality
> Police)
yes

naath

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From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: NWEEK 15 BALLOT
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:43:16 -0400
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On Tuesday 14 May 2002 03:09 am, you wrote:
> The following measures are on the ballot for nweek 15:
>
> Proposal 661/1: One tequila, two tequila, three keteela, floor
> 		(Baron von Skippy)
YES
> Proposal 667/0: Finding the right Shelf (Wonko)
YES
> Proposal 668/0: Consent of Ministers (Wild Card)
ABSTAIN
> Proposal 669/0: Adminball (The Voice)
NO
> Proposal 670/0: Consent of Ministers (Wild Card)
NO (This is a duplicate of Proposal 668/0)
> Proposal 671/0: Process (Wild Card)
YES
> Proposal 672/0: A Fix for Glotmorf (Wonko)
YES
> Proposal 673/0: Simplicity (The Voice)
YES(I thought I suggested that... not wild card :)
> Proposal 674/1: Ministry of the Survey for Ordinance (Wild Card)
YES
> Proposal 675/0: Insta-Minister (The Administrator)
YES
> Proposal 676/1: Let's get some points! (Wonko)
YES
> Proposal 677/0: Requires such dedication. (The Reality Police)
YES
> Proposal 678/0: Remember me, remember me. (The Reality Police)
Err.... YES
> Proposal 679/0: Nweek 15 hole plugs (Glotmorf)
YES
> Proposal 680/1: Less is More: Lit Forms (Glotmorf)
YES
> Proposal 681/0: Just to Show It Can Be Done -- a Short Dim Ship Tale
> 		(Glotmorf)
YES
> Proposal 682/0: The People Have Spoken! (Glotmorf)
YES
> Proposal 683/0: Not Everybody is a Number (Glotmorf)
YES
> Proposal 684/1: Bonus Boxes (Wonko)
YES (Simplicity is good)
> Proposal 685/2: Would You Like Fries with That? (M-Tek)
NO (Too complex)
> Proposal 686/0: Termination Procedures (M-Tek)
YES
> Proposal 687/1: The End is Nigh! (Wonko)
NO
> Proposal 689/0: I'm right behind you. (The Reality Police)
NO

Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:44:58 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Christening my DimShip
Sender: [email-masked]
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I name my DimShip "The Headless Duck".

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:01:29 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: NWEEK 15 BALLOT
Sender: [email-masked]
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YES > Proposal 661/1: One tequila, two tequila, three keteela, floor
		(Baron von Skippy)
YES > Proposal 667/0: Finding the right Shelf (Wonko)
 MU > Proposal 668/0: Consent of Ministers (Wild Card)
 NO > Proposal 669/0: Adminball (The Voice)
[[ Adminball? I don't get it. ]]
YES > Proposal 670/0: Consent of Ministers (Wild Card)
YES > Proposal 671/0: Process (Wild Card)
YES > Proposal 672/0: A Fix for Glotmorf (Wonko)
YES > Proposal 673/0: Simplicity (The Voice)
YES > Proposal 674/1: Ministry of the Survey for Ordinance (Wild Card)
YES > Proposal 675/0: Insta-Minister (The Administrator)
 NO > Proposal 676/1: Let's get some points! (Wonko)
 NO > Proposal 677/0: Requires such dedication. (The Reality Police)
 NO > Proposal 678/0: Remember me, remember me. (The Reality Police)
YES > Proposal 679/0: Nweek 15 hole plugs (Glotmorf)
YES > Proposal 680/1: Less is More: Lit Forms (Glotmorf)
YES (10) > Proposal 681/0: Just to Show It Can Be Done -- a Short Dim Ship Tale
 		(Glotmorf)
ABSTAIN > Proposal 682/0: The People Have Spoken! (Glotmorf)
YES > Proposal 683/0: Not Everybody is a Number (Glotmorf)
YES > Proposal 684/1: Bonus Boxes (Wonko)
YES > Proposal 685/2: Would You Like Fries with That? (M-Tek)
YES > Proposal 686/0: Termination Procedures (M-Tek)
YES > Proposal 687/1: The End is Nigh! (Wonko)
 NO > Proposal 689/0: I'm right behind you. (The Reality Police)

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:40:50 -0400
Subject: Re: spoon-business: NWEEK 14 RESULTS
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quoth David E. Smith,

> Proposal 659/0 (Make Things Work) (The Administrator):
> AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, rachel, The Voice
> NEG: Glotmorf
> ABS: Congenital Optimist, Wild Card
> Counts: (4-1-2-0). Measure passes.
> Created 127/2.
> Created 573/2.
> The Gremlin Fund scores 13 points.

Say, didn't this have a 'remove the word 'randomly' from r127' bit in it?
Why's that still there?

-- 
Wonko

Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:55:17 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Eh... Well...
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Proposal 677/0: Requires such dedication. (The
>Reality Police)
I change my vote to No.[[Now that I'm reasonably certain it'll fail if I
do]]
-- 
Wonko

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: I hope I got this right...
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:36:39 -0400
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I enter the grid at 7,15
I take the Grain Gnome
I exercise a loophole in rule 301/7: It does not specify that I cannot move 
immediately after entering the grid.
I move to 7,14
I take the water gnome

Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 00:04:22 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: NWEEK 15 BALLOT
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The newth from AtNomic Thity ithn't all fedorath and feather boath thith=
 time, dearth.  Coming down the runway thith time around are thome of the=
 motht outlandith dethignth theen for a while.  A few may make it to the=
 thopth, but I think we've theen thome that won't make it off the thtage,=
 and thouldn't have made it on.

On 5/14/02 at 7:09 AM David E. Smith wrote:

>Proposal 661/1: One tequila, two tequila, three keteela, floor
>		(Baron von Skippy)

Barroom fathion ith a quethtionable art becauthe the bar ecthperienthe ith=
 dependent on what you want to get out of it.  If you're looking to=
 thnuggle with that cute pair of courderoyth at the end of the bar, you=
 need thomething attenthion-getting but not thcary.  Colorth work well,=
 thinthe, after the firtht few drinkth, focuth geth a little fuzzy, tho=
 thubtle lineth and cuth might go to wathte.

Drinking ithelf, dahlingth, will of courthe never go out of thtyle,=
 ethpethially for thothe who have to be ecthpothed to people who were never=
 in thtyle.  Though I find drinking tequila maketh otherth more charming to=
 me, than me to them.  Thtill, the rugged hithpanic thtanding at a bar=
 thipping a drink doeth make my heart go pitter-pat...

I'll give thith a Yeth.

>Proposal 667/0: Finding the right Shelf (Wonko)

Yeth, dearth, clotheth have theathonth, and one mutht know the right time=
 to put them away in thtorage rather than wear them anyway or throw them=
 away.  That dreth you like but don't wear?  Put it up on the thelf and=
 wait for ith theathon to come back.  That vetht your Eth O bought you for=
 Chrithtmath from Target, that you don't like and don't wear?  The=
 Thalvathion Army alwayth taketh donationth; thome people will wear jutht=
 anything.

Yeth to thith.

>Proposal 669/0: Adminball (The Voice)

And we don't think the judgeth know when they're being played to?=
  Thpraypainting their nameth acroth your blouthe ithn't going to make it=
 in thith arena, baby.  Nectht time, put it on your backthide tho they feel=
 welcome to put a boot there.

No no no.

>Proposal 670/0: Consent of Ministers (Wild Card)

Well, of courthe you can take it off now, dear.  You were only wearing it=
 becauthe they paid you to.

Yeth.

>Proposal 671/0: Process (Wild Card)

I do like the cut of thith dethign...it hath all the makingth of a=
 crowd-pleather, the product of dethigner teamth.  But I think you forget,=
 you Wild thing you, that thome enthembleth are better when only worn=
 onthe, and I don't thee the "wear onthe" inthtructhion anywhere on the=
 label.

Leth put thith one on the thelf until the label'th ficthed.

>Proposal 672/0: A Fix for Glotmorf (Wonko)

We really do have to make a thpethial cathe for, thall we thay,=
 potht-maternity wear?  Think of the hard-working mother, and her thtruggle=
 to maintain her own fathion dignity, and that of her offthpring, while at=
 the thame time cramming her prethiouth little monthter into an outfit.

Thith ith why we thtill, after all thethe yearth, cannot thcoff at the=
 Garanimal conthept of fathion, where a buthy mother can jutht grab=
 pietheth of an enthemble that have matching tagth and cover her young in=
 thomething the retht of the world will not laugh at.

And I like what thith new dethigner hath done with thith old idea.  I'd=
 thtill like to thee thomething that can be athembled more quickly;=
 perhapth the nectht fathion thow will make a new thtatement in inthtant=
 wear.

Definitely a yeth.

>Proposal 673/0: Simplicity (The Voice)

White cotton thirt, black thlackth and tie?  Thith ithn't a thtatement for=
 fathion; thith ith a thtatement for charity.

No.  Not even with cufflinkth.

>Proposal 674/1: Ministry of the Survey for Ordinance (Wild Card)

I'm not thure there'th room for new wordth and termth in a fathion thow,=
 ethpethially oneth like "harf", which thoundth like thomething one doeth=
 with a hairball.  Bad kitty.

Though a tailor doethn't have to work alone, and thouldn't onthe hith=
 fingerth thtart to bleed...tho, yeth, leth get thith man an apprentithe.=
  And if he wanth to uthe hith new free time harfing thiny thingth, leth=
 not interfere.

Yeth to thith.

>Proposal 675/0: Insta-Minister (The Administrator)

For thame...trying to bribe the judgeth to boo a competitor!  Ith a good=
 thing the ruleth thay judgeth can't get bribeth, tho you can keep your=
 thiny pointh.

But to offer me a job...product manager for Garanimalth?  I am=
 tho...welcome to chantheth to thupplement my income.  I acthept.

Yeth to thith offer.

>Proposal 676/1: Let's get some points! (Wonko)

Dahling, are you reduthing fathion to the level of the candy bar induthtry?=
  Peel back the laundering inthtructhionth and thee if you won a prize?=
  That ith thuch a cheap and obviouth way of boothting thaleth...I'm=
 athamed of you.

Ethpethially thinthe you're the only one with a name on a label...and tho,=
 you're the only one who will really benefit from the thale.  Everyone=
 elthe will be thpending whatever they get on legal feeth trying to collect=
 their prize.

No.  Go home and try thomething with taffeta.

>Proposal 677/0: Requires such dedication. (The Reality Police)

Hath thith dethigner notithed that we are not in Than Tropez or=
 Martheilles?  Thith ith not a clothing-optional thity.

No.  Put thomething on before you're arrethted.

>Proposal 678/0: Remember me, remember me. (The Reality Police)

"Buy my product!  Get rich!  Be in fathion!  You'll be ugly and out of=
 thtyle if you don't!"

An advertithement doeth not a fathion thtatement make.  A fathion claim,=
 perhapth, but we know better, don't we?

If you wanted a thpanky, all you had to do wath athk.  But not here.

No.  I thaid no.

>Proposal 679/0: Nweek 15 hole plugs (Glotmorf)

I really thouldn't comment on my own dethignth.

I vote Yeth.

>Proposal 680/1: Less is More: Lit Forms (Glotmorf)

I really thouldn't comment on my own dethignth.

I vote Yeth.

>Proposal 681/0: Just to Show It Can Be Done -- a Short Dim Ship Tale
>		(Glotmorf)

I really thouldn't comment on my own dethignth.

I vote Yeth.  And thamelethly give it a 15.

>Proposal 682/0: The People Have Spoken! (Glotmorf)

I really thouldn't comment on my own dethignth.

I vote Yeth.

>Proposal 683/0: Not Everybody is a Number (Glotmorf)

I really thouldn't comment on my own dethignth.

I vote Yeth.

>Proposal 684/1: Bonus Boxes (Wonko)

The motht dreadful thing happened during the intermithion...Thome dethigner=
 promithed bonuth boctheth to uth all, but when I got to the booth there=
 jutht weren't any there.  I'm very dithappointed, but I'm willing to give=
 the poor thilly another chanthe...

Leth thelve thith one.

>Proposal 685/2: Would You Like Fries with That? (M-Tek)

I really thouldn't comment on my own dethignth.

I vote Yeth.

>Proposal 686/0: Termination Procedures (M-Tek)

I really thouldn't comment on my own dethignth.

I vote Yeth.

>Proposal 687/1: The End is Nigh! (Wonko)

That ith tho totally fabu.  I don't think I've theen a halftime thow=
 anything like it.  Ethpethially thetting the athtroturf on fire...

I vote Yeth.  Path me a wine cooler, pleathe.

>Proposal 689/0: I'm right behind you. (The Reality Police)

Now now...put up an ugly product, tho that we'll buy the nectht product=
 that ithn't ath ugly?

Thorry, dahling.  Ugly ith ugly.  Let each outfit thtand or fall on ith own=
 merith...or lack thereof.

I vote No.

						Glotmorf

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Sushi control
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:15:10 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

rachel I flexible sushi

}wc{

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Naming
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:15:40 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 I name my DimShip the IKV Pestilence.

 WC.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:15:42 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
 {{
  __Mentorship__

  A newbie is any player who has been playing for less than two
nweeks.

  A mentor is a player assigned to help out a newbie.  The newbie that
they are mentoring is known as a mentee.

  The mentor pool is a set of active players none of whom are newbies
or mentors.

  Any player who could be part of the mentor pool, but is not can
become part of the mentor pool by saying that they wish to join the
mentor pool in a public forum.

  Any player who is part of the mentor pool may cease to be part of
the mentor pool by announcing that they wish to leave it in a public
forum.

  When a mentor's mentee ceases to be a newbie then the mentor ceases
to be a mentor and rejoins the mentor pool.

  If at any point the mentor pool is non-empty and there exists at
least one newbie who isn't a mentee then the player who has been in
the mentor pool for the longest time without a break becomes the
mentor for the newbie who has been a player for the least length of
time.

  If there exist newbies who are not mentees and the mentor pool is
empty then players are encouraged to join the mentor pool.

  Newbies are encouraged to ask eir mentor about anything relevant
to the game, and eir mentor is encouraged to give useful advice to
eir mentee.

  At the end of eir period of being a mentor, if eir mentee has not
left the game or gone on Forced Leave, then a mentor receives 5 points
for being a mentor.  If eir mentee has a positive number of points and
no Debt then the mentor receives another 5 points.
 }}
 Wild Card is added to the mentor pool.
}}

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:15:41 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
 {{
 __Request for Comments__

 An RFC is intended to be a proposal, but isn't yet.

 If a player wishes to discuss their proposal before proposing it they
may form it up as an RFC (suggested boilerplate avoiding method for
this is to include `RFC' on the line with the initial open braces).

 An RFC can be revised, and is given a serial number like a proposal.

 At any point the author of an RFC can state on a public forum that
they wish to finalise the RFC, at which point it becomes a proposal
and its serial number is updated.  From this point on it is treated
like a normal proposal.

 Also, the author of an RFC can at any point state on a public forum
that they wish to can it, in which case the RFC ceases to exist and
cannot be revised again.
 }}
}}

From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 10:14:11 -0500
Subject: RE: spoon-business: NWEEK 15 BALLOT
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Proposal 661/1: One tequila, two tequila, three keteela, floor
> 		(Baron von Skippy)
No.

> Proposal 667/0: Finding the right Shelf (Wonko)
Yes.

> Proposal 668/0: Consent of Ministers (Wild Card)
Yes.

> Proposal 669/0: Adminball (The Voice)
No.

> Proposal 670/0: Consent of Ministers (Wild Card)
Yes.

> Proposal 671/0: Process (Wild Card)
Yes.

> Proposal 672/0: A Fix for Glotmorf (Wonko)
No.

> Proposal 673/0: Simplicity (The Voice)
No. [[11?]]

> Proposal 674/1: Ministry of the Survey for Ordinance (Wild Card)
Yes.

> Proposal 675/0: Insta-Minister (The Administrator)
Yes.

> Proposal 676/1: Let's get some points! (Wonko)
Yes.

> Proposal 677/0: Requires such dedication. (The Reality Police)
Yes.

> Proposal 678/0: Remember me, remember me. (The Reality Police)
Yes.

> Proposal 679/0: Nweek 15 hole plugs (Glotmorf)
No.

> Proposal 680/1: Less is More: Lit Forms (Glotmorf)
No.

> Proposal 681/0: Just to Show It Can Be Done -- a Short Dim Ship Tale
> 		(Glotmorf)
No.

> Proposal 682/0: The People Have Spoken! (Glotmorf)
No. [[This adds nothing that can't be done anyway.]]

> Proposal 683/0: Not Everybody is a Number (Glotmorf)
No.

> Proposal 684/1: Bonus Boxes (Wonko)
Abstain.

> Proposal 685/2: Would You Like Fries with That? (M-Tek)
Yes (if it exists). [[Simpler way to do this -  repeal bandwidth rationing. Less work all round. Points are pointless.]]

> Proposal 686/0: Termination Procedures (M-Tek)
No (even if it doesn't exist).

> Proposal 687/1: The End is Nigh! (Wonko)
Yes.

> Proposal 689/0: I'm right behind you. (The Reality Police)
Yes.

uin.
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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:43:17 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: I meant to propose this quite a while ago
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I propose:
{{ __I can't do that! I love her!__

Add this text to the end of rule 356 (Sexy Sirens On The Rocks):
{{
A player under the influence of a Siren may not choose to drop a Big
Rock on that Siren's square.
}}
}}

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:21:11 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Since, apparently, my Charter Prop was not a proposal, I guess I've got
another bandwidth slot open. I don't know what to put in it, so I'll just
put this out while I can and revise it into something useful when I've got
the time.

{{
__Dud Proposal__

Create:
{{
__Weehee!__

If at any time this rule exists, Wonko gets a Win.
}}
At the end of the next nweek, repeal all rules that have rule numbers
greater than zero.

}}

-- 
Wonko

Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:39:55 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Dead Fish
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I think that Babel Fish is not working properly. I put the following into it
(minus the {}'s):

{This is a test. I have recently observed strange behavior coming from this
device, so I will now endeavor to ascertain this website's validity. Here
goes nothing!}

And got this out of it (again, minus the {}'s):

{website's?}

In light of its failure, I have concluded that whatever last bit of fun we
could squeeze out of it is probably gone. I change my vote on prop. 677 to
No. I'm rooting for the full repeal.

-- 
Wonko

Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:41:20 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal revision
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ah, here's an idea. I amend my proposal entitled __Dud Proposal__ to be:

{{
__Poof!__

Create:
__Frog Juice and Inflatable Women__

There exist bonus boxes of type Frog Juice. When a player finds a Frog
Juice, e becomes a toad for an nweek.

There exist bonus boxes of type Inflatable Sirens. When a player finds an
Inflatable Siren, e is moved to a random legal square consecutive to eir
location, and a Big Rock with a Siren on it is placed on the location e just
was removed from.
}}
}}

-- 
Wonko

Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:10:54 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Re: spoon-discuss: missing players, votes, etc...
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[ Redirected to the business list because it contains something that may
be official/relevant in the near future. ]]

On Wed, 15 May 2002, bd wrote:

> Try filtering on 'spoon-business' and 'spoon-discuss' using CONTAINS
> comprisons; that's what I do.

Ah, but the only official public forum is "[email-masked]", not
"[email-masked]". Thus, anything that happens to be sent to
the latter address never really made it to a public forum. I wouldn't want
to accidentally recognize something that never happened, now would I?

That's my ruling and I'm sticking to it, unless you can get someone who
definitely IS a player to CFI it.

...dave

Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 23:57:04 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Wednesday afternoon)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Wonko adjusts the heading on eir DimShip, and rules on CFI 622. Due to the
former, Wonko gains (probably temporarily, but...) the title "Respected
One".

Baron von Skippy judges CFI 688. I appeal, under Rule 404 (the appeal is
694/0). Mostly because I can.

About "randomly" in Rule 127: My change was superceded by another change. :)

bd enters the Grid, grabbing a Gnome, ducking over to another space, and
grabbing a second gnome. Whee! (bd: if I could, I'd give you an official
notice to relax. I run this Nomic in-between two jobs, neither of which
includes Internet access, so things usually only get recognized every
couple of days.)

I have no idea what Wild Card was trying to do with the Sushi, but I
believe e gave it to rachel. That's my interpretation for now, at least.

"Mentorship" is 691/0.
"Request for Comments" is 692/0.
"I can't do that! I love her!" is 693/0.

"Dud Proposal" is not recognized; I don't quite follow Wonko's logic in
dictating that e still has one proposal for the nweek. If e can explain it
to me like I'm a five-year-old, maybe... ditto for its revision, "Poof!"

Wonko's responses to proposals 685 and 686 are being treated as non-votes
(not abstentions). This may become relevant if it is determined that those
proposals actually exist.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
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to outwit my invisible enemies!"
 -- Bart Simpson

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 00:30:45 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Other cleanup-type-stuff (CFI assignments, etc.)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I haven't updated the Entropy thresholds in a little while, even though
everyone's buying up DimShips and rendering them somewhat meaningless
anyway...

Universal Entropy is 240
3syl threshold: 15.625
2syl threshold: 23.4375
1syl threshold: 31.25

(I just added an "Entropy Calculator" to the Web site. It doesn't
take DimShips into account, because that would be a pain.)

Yuki is recused from CFI620; it is reassigned to Rob.

rachel is recused from CFI665; it is reassigned to Iain.

...dave

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:08:31 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath=20Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: move
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I move to 13,9
Naath

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From: "Ed Murphy" <[email-masked]>
To: "B Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: NWEEK 15 BALLOT
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 01:11:23 -0700
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

661 YES
667 YES
669 NO
670 YES
671 NO
672 ABSTAIN
673 NO
674 YES
675 YES
676 YES
677 YES
678 YES
679 YES
680 YES
681 NO
682 NO
683 NO     (A subsection of a Chutzpah = 10 rule can give itself the
            equivalent of Chutzpah = 5, by appending "unless a Rule
            with Chutzpah > 5 says otherwise")
684 YES
685 YES
686 YES
687 YES
689 YES

-- 
Ed Murphy <[email-masked]>          "I'm not sure I can go through
http://members.fortunecity.com/emurphy/      with it.  Leave, I mean."

From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Nweek 15 votes
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:16:45 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

My votes, nweek 15 style!

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 661/1
One tequila, two tequila, three keteela, floor
Author: Baron von Skippy
YES

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 667/0
Finding the right Shelf
Author: Wonko
YES

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 669/0
Adminball
Author: The Voice
YES

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 670/0
Consent of Ministers
Author: Wild Card
YES

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 671/0
Process
Author: Wild Card
ABSTAIN

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 672/0
A Fix for Glotmorf
Author: Wonko
NO [[I hate Insta-Rules.  This is on principle.]]

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 673/0
Simplicity
Author: The Voice
YES

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 674/1
Ministry of the Survey for Ordinance
Author: Wild Card
YES
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 675/0
Insta-Minister
Author: The Administrator
YES

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 676/1
Let's get some points!
Author: Wonko
YES

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 677/0
Requires such dedication.
Author: The Reality Police
NO [[Only 'cause I'm going for a full repeal.]]

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 678/0
Remember me, remember me.
Author: The Reality Police
YES [[Vive la revolution!]]

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 679/0
Nweek 15 hole plugs
Author: Glotmorf
YES

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 680/1
Less is More: Lit Forms
Author: Glotmorf
NO [[I don't particularly care.]]

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 681/0
Just to Show It Can Be Done -- a Short Dim Ship Tale
Author: Glotmorf
NO [[Although somewhat impressive.]]

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 682/0
The People Have Spoken!
Author: Glotmorf
ABSTAIN [[I don't feel comfortable about justice reform... I'm not sure I 
understand the subtleties enough to make an actual vote.]]

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 683/0
Not Everybody is a Number
Author: Glotmorf
YES

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 684/1
Bonus Boxes
Author: Wonko
YES

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 685/2
Would You Like Fries with That?
Author: M-Tek
YES

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 686/0
Termination Procedures
Author: M-Tek
YES

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 687/1
The End is Nigh!
Author: Wonko
ABSTAIN [[I'm not sure about this entirely...]]

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proposal 689/0
I'm right behind you.
Author: The Reality Police
YES

------------------------------------------------------------------------

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To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: just a test
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:48:38 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nothing to see here, move along.

-- 
J.

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: von Skippy Overproduction, Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:14:26 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__Healthy Competition__

Create a charter proposal with the following DINK-delimited text:

DINK
__von Skippy Overproduction, Inc.__

There exists a Club, called von Skippy Overproduction, Inc., or vSOI.

Players may join vSOI only by consent of the CEO of vSOI, or by unanimous 
consent of all non-CEO members of vSOI, so long as there are more than two 
non-CEO members of vSOI.

Non-CEO members of vSOI may be ousted by the CEO or by the consent of all 
other non-CEO members of vSOI, or they may resign by posting eir intention 
to do so in a message to a public forum. The CEO of vSOI may resign as well, 
in which case the member who has been a member the longest becomes CEO, or e 
may be Sacked by al non-CEO members posting messages to a Public Forum 
declaring that they wish to Sack the CEO, in which case the first member to 
declare eir intention to Sack the CEO shall become CEO. If not all members 
declare eir intention to Sack the CEO within one nweek of the first player's 
declaration, the first player to declare eir intention shall be ousted. A 
Sacked CEO is no longer a member of vSOI.

vSOI may not make proposals.

At the start of each nweek, each member of vSOI shall recieve one random 
Gnome. Any member may also purchase a random Gnome for 5 points, or a 
specific Gnome for 10 points, from the vSOI Gnome Account. Any non-member 
player may purchase a random Gnome from the vSOI Gnome Account for 10 
points, or a specific Gnome for 15 points. If at any time there are more 
than 200 points in the Gnome Account, distribute all points in the Gnome 
Account evenly between all members of vSOI, giving any remainder to the 
Gremlin Fund.

The CEO of vSOI may not also be the Prez of M-Tek. In the event of this 
happening, the CEO of vSOI shall be replaced as though e had resigned, and 
shall be made a non-CEO member of vSOI.

Baron von Skippy is the first member of vSOI, and the first CEO of vSOI.
DINK
}}

[[If any of that is confusing/confused, please tell me. It's late, and I've 
never made a Charter Prop before.]]

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From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: von Skippy Overproduction, Inc. take 2
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:30:04 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thank you for your input, Glotmorf. I would note one thing, though. Rule 631 
says what must be in Charter props, it never says that's all that can be in 
there. In any case, I'll crack this in two and try again.

{{
__Healthy Competition__

Create a charter proposal with the following DINK-delimited text:

DINK
__von Skippy Overproduction, Inc.__

There exists a Club, called von Skippy Overproduction, Inc., or vSOI.

Players may join vSOI only by consent of the CEO of vSOI, or by unanimous 
consent of all non-CEO members of vSOI, so long as there are more than two 
non-CEO members of vSOI.

Non-CEO members of vSOI may be ousted by the CEO or by the consent of all 
other non-CEO members of vSOI, or they may resign by posting eir intention 
to do so in a message to a public forum. The CEO of vSOI may resign as well, 
in which case the member who has been a member the longest becomes CEO, or e
may be Sacked by al non-CEO members posting messages to a Public Forum 
declaring that they wish to Sack the CEO, in which case the first member to 
declare eir intention to Sack the CEO shall become CEO. If not all members 
declare eir intention to Sack the CEO within one nweek of the first player's 
declaration, the first player to have declared eir intention shall be 
ousted. A Sacked CEO is no longer a member of vSOI.

The CEO of vSOI may not also be the Prez of M-Tek. In the event of this 
happening, the CEO of vSOI shall be replaced as though e had resigned, and 
shall be made a non-CEO member of vSOI.

vSOI may not make proposals.

Baron von Skippy is the first member of vSOI, and the first CEO of vSOI.
DINK

Create a new rule with the following SMITH-dlimited text:

SMITH
__Flooding the Market__

There exists an entity called the Gnome Account. Any player may pay 4 points 
to the Gnome Account to purchase a random Gnome from the Gnome Account, or 8 
points to purchase a specific Gnome. If the purchasing player is a member of 
vSOI, the amount they need to pay the Gnome Account is halved. No Gnome 
which may be squeezed to produce any alcohol may be purchased in this manner 
from the Gnome Account.

At the start of each nweek, the Gnome Account shall give one random Gnome 
which cannot be squeezed to produce alcohol of any sort to each member of 
vSOI.

If at any time there are more than 100 points in the Gnome Account, all 
points shall be taken from the Gnome Account and distributed equally among 
all members of vSOI, with any remainder points given to the Gremlin Fund.
SMITH
}}

Is that better for everyone? Er, sorry, Mr. A. I'd be happy to take on some 
sort of ministerial duties regarding Gnomes, if such a rule were proposed.

                                                  BvS

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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:22:00 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ on Holy Order of Points
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Statement: Players who voted for proposal 676 [["Let's get some
points!"]] did not recieve 20 points each.

Reasoning: Rule 155, paragraph 2, says that "If a proposal, by adding,
changing, or repealing rules, will generate effects which are based on
the way players vote on that proposal, or any other specific proposal or
proposals identified in the proposal, then those rules generate no
effects based on the way players vote on that particular proposal." 

Rule 702/0 said "Every player who voted for the proposal which created
this rule is initially a member of the Holy Order of Points.", which is
quite clearly an effect based on the way players voted on the proposal.
That particular effect, therefore, should not have happened, so no
players were ever members of the Holy Order of Points, so they could not
gain 20 points for being in it.

-- 
Rob Speer

From: "Ed Murphy" <[email-masked]>
To: "B Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: I become a player (attempt #2)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:22:51 -0700
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I tried this on May 13, but to the wrong list, so here goes again:

I am capable of passing the Turing test.  (Insert favorite insult here.)
I consent to be designated as a player, and to be governed by the rules.

I thereby become a player, per the auspiciously numbered Rule 13.

I select M as my gender, per Rule 295.

I also suggest that the Administrator designate <[email-masked]>
as a Public Forum.  Is there a strong reason not to do so?

-- 
Ed Murphy <[email-masked]>          "I'm not sure I can go through
http://members.fortunecity.com/emurphy/      with it.  Leave, I mean."

Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 01:19:47 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: NWEEK 15 RESULTS
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Proposal 661/1 (One tequila, two tequila, three keteela, floor)
(Baron von Skippy):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, The Voice, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: The Reality Police
Counts: (8-1-0-0). Measure passes.
The first action requested cannot be completed, as Rule 498 doesn't have a
sixth paragraph.
Created 696/0.
Baron von Skippy scores 14 points.

Proposal 667/0 (Finding the right Shelf) (Wonko):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, The Reality Police, The
Voice, Wild Card, Wonko
Counts: (9-0-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 580/2.
Wonko scores 9 points.

Proposal 669/0 (Adminball) (The Voice):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Naath, The Voice, Wonko,
NEG: bd, Glotmorf, Rob, The Reality Police, Wild Card,
Counts: (4-5-0-0). Measure fails.
The Voice loses 2 points.

Proposal 670/0 (Consent of Ministers) (Wild Card):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, The Reality Police, The
Voice, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: bd
Counts: (8-1-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 697/0.
Wild Card scores 11 points.

Proposal 671/0 (Process) (Wild Card):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Rob, The Reality Police, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: Naath
ABS: The Voice
SHL: Glotmorf
Counts: (6-1-1-1). Measure passes.
Created 404/3.
Wild Card scores 10 points.

Proposal 672/0 (A Fix for Glotmorf) (Wonko):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, Wonko
NEG: The Reality Police, The Voice
ABS: Wild Card
Counts: (6-2-1-0). Measure passes.
Since the current ruling on p561 is that it failed, Glotmorf is refunded
the 4 points e was charged for its failure. (When the relevant CFI
returns, this action will be undone, then whatever action results from
that will also be undone by this proposal, so it's all good.)
Created 698/0.
Glotmorf scores 3d6 (17) points, per proposal action.
Wonko scores 12 points.

Proposal 673/0 (Simplicity) (The Voice):
AFF: bd, Naath, Rob, The Voice, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, The Reality Police
Counts: (6-3-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 699/0.
The Voice scores 8 points.

Proposal 674/1 (Ministry of the Survey for Ordinance) (Wild Card):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, The Reality Police, The
Voice, Wild Card, Wonko
Counts: (9-0-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 700/0.
Wild Card scores 9 points.

Proposal 675/0 (Insta-Minister) (The Administrator):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, The Reality Police, The
Voice, Wild Card
NEG: Wonko
Counts: (8-1-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 701/0.
The Gremlin Fund scores 13 points.

Proposal 676/1 (Let's get some points!) (Wonko):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Naath, The Reality Police, The Voice, Wonko
NEG: Glotmorf, Rob, Wild Card
Counts: (6-3-0-0). Measure passes.
(This wasn't a Charter Prop, since it never said it was in the non-comment
text of the document. It still passed, though.)
Created 702/0.
The Holy Order of Points has the six members who voted for this proposal.
Created 703/0.
Created 702/1 (repeal)
Created 703/1 (repeal)
Each of those six members gains 20 points.
Wonko gains 14 points.

Proposal 677/0 (Requires such dedication.) (The Reality Police):
AFF: bd, The Reality Police
NEG: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, The Voice, Wonko
ABS: Wild Card
Counts: (2-6-1-0). Measure fails.
The Reality Police loses 4 points.

Proposal 678/0 (Remember me, remember me.) (The Reality Police):
AFF: bd, Naath, The Reality Police, The Voice, Wonko
NEG: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Rob, Wild Card
Counts: (5-4-0-0). Measure passes.
Measure is vetoed by the Administrator (if Bandwidth Rationing is
repealed, you'll be looking for a new Admin. I like the rest of it, but
the "repeal rule 212" part simply will not happen).
The Reality Police scores 8 points.

Proposal 679/0 (Nweek 15 hole plugs) (Glotmorf):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, The Voice, Wild Card,
Wonko
NEG: The Reality Police
Counts: (8-1-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 625/1.
Created 493/3.
Glotmorf scores 13 points.

Proposal 680/1 (Less is More: Lit Forms) (Glotmorf):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, Wonko
NEG: The Reality Police, The Voice
ABS: Wild Card
Counts: (6-2-1-0). Measure passes.
Created 437/1.
Repealed 397, 357, 398, 399, and 438.
Glotmorf scores 11 points.

Proposal 681/0 (Just to Show It Can Be Done -- a Short Dim Ship Tale)
(Glotmorf):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf (15), Naath, Rob (10), Wild Card (12)
NEG: The Reality Police, The Voice, Wonko
Counts: (6-3-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 213/4.
Glotmorf scores 14 + 9 (Lit Bonus) = 23 points.

Proposal 682/0 (The People Have Spoken!) (Glotmorf):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Naath, Wonko
NEG: The Reality Police
ABS: Rob, The Voice, Wild Card
Counts: (5-1-3-0). Measure passes.
Created 704/0.
Glotmorf scores 7 points.

Proposal 683/0 (Not Everybody is a Number) (Glotmorf):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, The Voice, Wild Card
NEG: The Reality Police, Wonko
Counts: (7-2-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 497/1.
Glotmorf scores 10 points.

Proposal 684/1 (Bonus Boxes) (Wonko):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Naath, Rob, The Voice, Wild Card, Wonko
ABS: The Reality Police
SHL: Glotmorf
Counts: (7-0-1-1). Measure passes.
Created 301/7.
Created 705/0.
All Shiny Things and Scary Dark Things cease to exist, since there is no
longer a rule defining them, and no part of the proposal changed them into
Bonus Boxes.
Cannot revise Rule 349: requested text isn't there, so I can't delete it.
Created 466/1.
Wonko scores 11 points.

Proposal 685/2 (Would You Like Fries with That?) (M-Tek):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Rob, The Reality Police, The
Voice, Wild Card
NEG: bd, Wonko
Counts: (8-2-0-0). Measure passes.
Measure is symbolically vetoed (the veto has no effect, but man, will this
be a pain in the ass).
The points are a bit of a juggle: It scores 15 points, of which 5 are
given to Bean and Wonko, and 5 remain for M-Tek, which should be split
between its members. I choose to award 2 to Iain and 3 to the club's Prez,
Glotmorf; if the latter feels that split isn't equitable, e can rectify it
emself.
(Aside: the affirmative votes for this, for purposes of the Token of
Proposals, cannot be credited to any player.)

Proposal 686/0 (Termination Procedures) (M-Tek):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Rob, The Voice, Wild Card
NEG: The Reality Police, Wonko
Counts: (8-2-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 630/1.
M-Tek scores 10 points, split evenly amongst its members.

Proposal 687/1 (The End is Nigh!) (Wonko):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, The Reality Police, Wild
Card, Wonko
NEG: bd
ABS: The Voice
Counts: (7-1-1-0). Measure passes.
Created 440/6.
Added fire to the List of Grid Substances.
Created 301/8.
Wonko scores 9 points.

Proposal 689/0 (I'm right behind you.) (The Reality Police):
AFF: Naath, The Reality Police, The Voice, Wonko
NEG: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Rob, Wild Card
Counts: (4-5-0-0). Measure fails.
The Reality Police loses 4 points.

Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 01:20:11 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (end of nweek stuff)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Rocky throws one random Big Rock, which lands at (14,8). (4 points are
charged to the Gremlin Fund.)

Luigi Breaks one of Wild Card's Limbs, after collecting 30 points. (I
dunno if this is a bug or a feature, but the rule says Luigi collects
before interest is added. It also says that, even if the player can repay
the debt, a Limb is still Broken for failing to voluntarily repay.)

For the purposes of calculating Pinhead's effects, M-Tek proposals don't
count as having come from a player. 7 points are awarded, via Pinhead, to
each of Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, The Reality Police, The Voice, Wild
Card, and Wonko.

Robin takes 12 points from Wonko and awards them to Yuki.

The new Gremlin number is 73.

The Immunity Idol is awarded to Glotmorf.
The Token of Proposals is awarded to Wonko.
(i.e. they just trade 'em)

The Flaming Gremlin is still Hiding, because Congenital Optimist is still
on Leave.

Curt and Rod move; two Sheep Gnomes and a Ball of Wax fall from the sky.
The Gnome Factory spits up a Herb Gnome.

The Yeti moves to Limbo under the "warm" clause, as the Weather updates
(+8 degrees... gosh, it's warm).

This week's Colour Commentator is bd.

Final vote results sent under separate cover.

The Clock is turned back On. Today is nweek 16, nday 1.

...dave

Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:06:21 -0400
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Thcarf Tranthfer
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In apprethiation of Comedy through Repetition, I hereby bethtow the Pink=
 Cathmere Thcarf of Impeccable Thtyle to...The Reality Polithe.

After all...

>Proposal 678/0 (Remember me, remember me.) (The Reality Police):
>AFF: bd, Naath, The Reality Police, The Voice, Wonko
>NEG: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Rob, Wild Card
>Counts: (5-4-0-0). Measure passes.
>Measure is vetoed by the Administrator (if Bandwidth Rationing is
>repealed, you'll be looking for a new Admin. I like the rest of it, but
>the "repeal rule 212" part simply will not happen).
>The Reality Police scores 8 points.

...Thath funny.

						Glotmorf

From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: ok dave...
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:11:55 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ __Time Freeze, my butt__

Amend rule 3 by changing the text,

"If the Clock is Off, no player may take any game-related actions except 
actions which the rules specifically say may be taken while The Clock is 
Off."

To the following:

"If the Clock is Off, any game-related actions taken by players are recorded 
by the Administrator.  They are then implemented/recognized in reverse order 
of eir recieving them once the Clock is On."

}}

Didn't want it to just be like the Clock was on...

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:11:32 -0400
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFI: The Holy Order of Points
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

CFI Statement:

Baron von Skippy, bd, Naath, The Reality Police and The Voice did not=
 become members of the Holy Order of Points as a result of voting for=
 Proposal 676.  Events resulting from their becoming members do not occur.=
  The Holy Order of Points still exists, with Wonko as its sole member.

Analysis:

Rule 155 states:

"No player or other game entity may submit a proposal that calls for one or=
 more effects that discriminate in any way between players based on their=
 voting actions on that proposal, or any other specific proposal or=
 proposals identified in the proposal."

The abovenamed players were declared members of the Holy Order of Points=
 based on their votes for Proposal 676.  As this is an effect that=
 discriminates between players based on their voting actions on that=
 proposal, their becoming members did not occur.

Wonko's membership, however, was dictated in the proposal, and was not a=
 direct result of eir voting in favor of the proposal.  Therefore, the Holy=
 Order came into existence, and Wonko became a member.

However, the "critical mass" necessary to generate the society's=
 dissolution and the point awards was not reached, since no other players=
 were added to the society.  Therefore, the society still exists, with one=
 member.

Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:13:54 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Holy Order of Points
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If it is determined that the Holy Order of Points still exists, I=
 immediately join.

						Glotmorf

PS: That last CFI was mine.  Sorry, forgot to sign it.

Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:27:56 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Prop: delegation means delegation
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _Delegation Means Delegation_

Change Rule 125 to read:

"Any action which is required to be performed by the Administrator or a=
 Minister may also be performed by an automated script or webpage acting on=
 the Administrator's or Minister's behalf.

If the action that such a script or webpage would perform is the acceptance=
 of submitted player actions, and said script or webpage was sufficiently=
 public as to be accessible to all players, and sufficiently secure as to=
 ensure the submitted player's identity, the Administrator may mandate use=
 of said script or webpage for that action.  For the purpose of that=
 specific action, said script or webpage will be considered a public=
 forum."

}}

Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 05:56:36 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Friday night)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I overlooked the "rounding" thing in R630; Iain is awarded 1 point.

The Scarf is awarded to The Reality Police, who also receives 18 Style.

"Time Freeze, my butt" is 707/0. And that reverse thing is a BAD idea. :)

Glotmorf's Holy Order of Points CFI is 708, assigned (randomly -- I'll
only handpick the judges if it's really important IMO) to Rob.

Glotmorf may or may not be able to join the aforementioned Order.

"Delegation Means Delegation" is 709/0.

There's no Minister of the Ordinance Survey at this time - the relevant
rules/proposals didn't name an initial holder of the office - so the
Nomination phase for that office begins, effective now, for 5 ndays. By
default, I'm a candidate for that office. (Gee, thanks.)

Fortunately, there IS an Insta-Minister, Glotmorf. Be sure to give em a
nice warm welcome by stretching out those Insta-Slide-Rules! (Btw,
Glotmorf, I'm sorta assuming that you'll also be tracking players'
Insta-Rulers, as this would be necessary for you to do your job. If you're
not planning to do so, lemme know so we can work something out.)

As my one proposal for the nweek, I propose:

{{ __Sing When You're Winning__

Replace the text of Rule 22 with:

{{

In the event of a Win being awarded, the following events immediately
occur, in order:

* All dimensions for all players are set to zero
* The player who was awarded the Win receives one point of Respect
* The effects listed in Rule 440 occur, as though Universal Entropy had
  exceeded Maximum Entropy.
* The Clock is turned Off until the Watch reads three wdays
  [[ so we can have a bit of a breather ]]

If possible, play continues normally.

}}

Replace the text of Rule 27 with:

{{
If at any time a player's score equals or exceeds 1000 points, and that
player's Charm and Activity are both greater than zero, that player is
immediately awarded a Win.
}}

Remove the second sentence from Rule 548. [[ Enough with the damn sheep. ]]

}}

The above is 710/0.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
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to outwit my invisible enemies!"
 -- Bart Simpson

From: "Ed Murphy" <[email-masked]>
To: "B Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: I become a player (attempt #3)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:43:02 -0700
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Third try, since the second try was while the Clock was off.  Sigh.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Murphy" <[email-masked]>
To: "B Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 5:22 PM
Subject: spoon-business: I become a player (attempt #2)

> I tried this on May 13, but to the wrong list, so here goes again:
> 
> I am capable of passing the Turing test.  (Insert favorite insult here.)
> I consent to be designated as a player, and to be governed by the rules.
> 
> I thereby become a player, per the auspiciously numbered Rule 13.
> 
> I select M as my gender, per Rule 295.
> 
> I also suggest that the Administrator designate <[email-masked]>
> as a Public Forum.  Is there a strong reason not to do so?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ed Murphy <[email-masked]>          "I'm not sure I can go through
> http://members.fortunecity.com/emurphy/      with it.  Leave, I mean."
> 
> 
> 

Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 06:06:45 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: I become a player (attempt #3)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 17 May 2002, Ed Murphy wrote:

> > I am capable of passing the Turing test.  (Insert favorite insult here.)
> > I consent to be designated as a player, and to be governed by the rules.

At long last, it's legal!

Ed Murphy is a player (unless/until told otherwise, your name is "Ed
Murhpy". Ed Murphy sets a gender. Welcome!

...dave

Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 04:09:47 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Prop: no deficit style
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The Prez of M-Tek makes this Club Prop:

{{ _There's No Style in Deficit Spending_

Add to the end of the first sentence of Rule 344 the text, "; if this would=
 result in negative Style for the Player, the Style points are not deducted=
 and the Style Attribute is not recognized"

}}

Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 13:32:32 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath=20Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: la
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I move to (13,9)

CFI
Glotmorf can't join the Holy order of Points.  There's
nothing in the club prop that says how you can join
it, other than the (illgal) method of joining by
voting for it.

Naath

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Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 10:15:51 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Friday night)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 05:56:36AM +0000, David E. Smith wrote:
> Glotmorf's Holy Order of Points CFI is 708, assigned (randomly -- I'll
> only handpick the judges if it's really important IMO) to Rob.

That's convenient. I judge TRUE.

-- 
Rob Speer

From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: fine then.
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 13:10:47 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Replace the last paragraph of proposal 707, __Time Freeze, my butt__ with 
the following -0- delimited text:

-0-
"If the Clock is Off, any game-related actions taken by players are 
implemented/recognized in the order in which they were recieved when the 
Clock is turned On."
-0-

Ya happy?

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:01:51 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ 620
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I rescind CFJ 620, since it is now largely a moot point.

						Glotmorf

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (end of nweek stuff) 
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:07:21 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Luigi Breaks one of Wild Card's Limbs, after collecting 30 points. (I
> dunno if this is a bug or a feature, but the rule says Luigi collects
> before interest is added. It also says that, even if the player can repay
> the debt, a Limb is still Broken for failing to voluntarily repay.)

 Oops - I read that as not counting the first nweek.  (since you're
unlikely to be able to repay then...)

 Proposal:

{{
  __Save Our Limbs__

 In paragraph 5 change {{At the end of an nweek}} to {{At the end of
an nweek other than the nweek in which the Player borrowed the
points}}

}}

Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:04:22 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Insta-Ministry
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm coding an input form for insta-rules at this time.  In the meantime, if=
 y'all have any to make, just post them here as actions.

						Glotmorf

From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 07:17:05 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Appeal: CFJ 688
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Per rule 404/3, I Appeal CFJ 688.

For analysis (which isn't defined by R404, but nonetheless) I quote the following message I sent in reply to BvS:
#beginquote
"There is no place where a price tag is put on a glass of Champagne." I gather from this that you're saying that one can therefore buy Champagne for 0 points, just as one can buy beer for 5 points. However, that is only the case because the rules say "Players who are in Limbo can buy Beer for five points", which both defines the price and permits the purchase. While there is no price defined for Champagne, there is likewise no method of purchase defined, and it is therefore impossible under r18 (if you're sensible), or rule 393 (otherwise).

Which is not to say your verdict may not be correct, but since you have given no evidence that you've even considered my given analysis, I feel obliged to send this to a higher court.
#endquote

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From: "ID Scott, Science 99" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Other cleanup-type-stuff (CFI assignments, etc.)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:44:03 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 16 May 2002 00:30:45 +0000 (GMT) "David E. Smith" 
<[email-masked]> wrote:

> rachel is recused from CFI665; it is reassigned to Iain.
> 

(Though the website hasnt been updated...)
{CFJ 665/0
CFJ by Glotmorf

Statement: Wonko's props 650, 651, 652, and 653 did not exist, and 
should not have been put into effect. 

Analysis: 

Wonko had the Pink Scarf. Eir gender is set to Drone. 

The Scarf rule, R258, reads: "If the player's declared Gender is Drone, 
the player's posts must include *buzz* and *crackle* strings at random 
throughout, due to the static electricity effects of the Pink Scarf." 

There are large blocks of text in the public forum message that the 
props in question were quoted from that did not contain static, large 
enough to suggest the static did not appear "at
random throughout", but was left out of those text blocks on purpose. 

Since Wonko was required to add the static "at random throughout," and 
didn't, the message quoted from was not legal; therefore, it should not 
have been thought to exist for the purpose of quoting from it. Thus, 
the props that were quoted from that message that did not exist in a 
legal sense should not exist either, should not have appeared on the 
ballot, and should not have been put into effect. }

Judgement: FALSE
Analysis: The Rules dont contain phrases such as "reasonable doubt", 
and the problem with randomness is that it is random, and hence 
the random process used _could_ have produced the text in the messages. 
With no other evidence, I must judge this CFI false.

cheers,
Iain

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: DimShip
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:56:08 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 I launch my DimShip.

Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 10:33:42 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Prop: Less is More -- Grems.
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[ This prop. uses quotes from Rules 256, 296, 297, 299, 345, 347, 394,=
 400, 402, 439, 492, 496, 499, 500, 501, 551, 574 and 579. ]]

{{ _Less is More -- Grems._

Make a rule with ser. num. 215 and rev. num. 1 that reads:

{{ _The Gremlin Number_

There exists an entity known as the Gremlinometer. The Gremlinometer shall=
 contain a number, known as the Gremlin number. If the Gremlin number is=
 less than 1, 120 shall be added to it immediately. If the Gremlin number=
 is greater than 120, 120 shall be subtracted from in immediately. At the=
 beginning of each nweek, the Gremlin number shall become equal to=
 1d120.[[120 because it's divisible evenly by 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,10,and 12.]] 

The nth Gremlin number shall be defined to be the Gremlin number divided by=
 120/n, rounded up to the nearest integer. [[Thus, the 1st Gremlin number=
 is 1, the second is either 1 or 2, the third is 1,2,or 3, etc. This allows=
 for many Gremlins to use random numbers without having to do seperate=
 random rolls for each Gremlin. It also allows multiple Gremlins to work in=
 tandem bcs they know the random number governing any other Gremlin that=
 uses random numbers.]] 

}}

Change the text of Rule 256 to the text marked with @@@:

@@@

A. Definitions

A.1. Gremlins

There exist entities known as Gremlins. No Gremlin may exist except as=
 specified in the rules. All Gremlins must have unique names, in the form=
 of "the **** Gremlin", where **** is a string of at least 1 alphanumeric=
 character. At any time, each Gremlin may be in one of two conditions:=
 Active or Hiding. When a Gremlin is first defined by the rules, it starts=
 out Active and in Limbo unless the defining rule specifies otherwise. 

A.2. The Gremlin Fund

There exists an entity called the Gremlin Fund. Whenever a Gremlin is given=
 points, those points are immediately given to the Gremlin Fund. If a=
 Gremlin loses points, those points are taken from the Gremlin Fund. The=
 Gremlin Fund may never have fewer than 0 points. Players may give points=
 to the Gremlin Fund in the same manner as giving points to other players.

A.3. Hiding

A Gremlin which is Hiding has no location. It is not on the Grid, nor in=
 Limbo, nor in any other location that may exist. A Gremlin which goes into=
 Hiding for any reason is removed from whatever location it happens to=
 occupy at the time it goes into Hiding. Such Gremlins may not be used in=
 GremBall, and may not vote (if another rule specifies that a Gremlin may=
 vote, this rule takes precedence over that one). A Gremlin being carried=
 by another player is considered to occupy the location of that player. [[=
 but since this rule mainly deals with Hiding Gremlins, it shouldn't matter=
 much ]] 

Gremlins which become Active after being in Hiding have a 50% chance of=
 entering Limbo, and a 50% chance of being placed on the Grid at a random=
 location determined by the Administrator, subject to other rules defining=
 location of objects on the Grid (i.e. a Gremlin can't appear in a location=
 occupied by a Big Rock, etc.). 

B. Types of Gremlins

B.1. The Scoring Gremlin, a.k.a. Enrique

There exists a Gremlin known as the Scoring Gremlin, also known as Enrique.=
 Whenever a proposal passes, if the Scoring Gremlin is active, it shall=
 award the player with the lowest nonzero score 1 point. If at any time=
 multiple players are tied for the lowest nonzero score, or the Gremlin=
 Fund has no points, the Scoring Gremlin shall go into Hiding. If the=
 player with the lowest nonzero score has at least 20 fewer points than any=
 other player with a nonzero score and the Gremlin Fund has at least 5=
 points, the Scoring Gremlin shall become Active. 

B.2. The Witch Gremlin

There exists a Gremlin known as the Witch Gremlin. If the Witch Gremlin is=
 Active, any player who has not done so already that nweek may pay (10 +=
 5d3) points to the Gremlin Fund to make the Witch Gremlin Curse a player.=
 As long as a player is Cursed, e may not vote. At the end of each Voting=
 Period, all players cease to be Cursed and, if the Witch Gremlin is=
 Hiding, it becomes Active. If at any time more than 2 players are Cursed,=
 the Witch Gremlin goes into Hiding. If the Witch Gremlin is Repressed, all=
 Cursed players cease to be Cursed, and the player who Bribed the King=
 Gremlin loses 5 points. 

B.3. The Bandwidth Gremlin

There exists a gremlin known as the Bandwidth Gremlin. At the beginning of=
 each nweek, if the Bandwidth Gremlin is Active, the Bandwidth Gremlin=
 gives what is known as the "Token of Proposals" to the player who recieved=
 the highest number of affirmative votes on eir proposals for the previous=
 nweek. The player who holds the Token of Proposals may make one more=
 proposal than is allowed under the current ruleset. Immediately after eir=
 extra proposal is recognized by the Administrator, the Token of Proposals=
 is automatically returned to the Bandwidth Gremlin. If, at the beginning=
 of an nweek, two players are tied for the highest number of affirmative=
 votes, the Token of Proposals is given to the player with the lower score.=
 A player may not recieve the Token of Proposals if eir charm is equal to=
 zero, or if their activity is less than zero. If, for any reason, the=
 Token of Proposals may not be awarded to the player to whom it would be=
 awarded as specified elsewhere in this rule, it is awarded to the player=
 who recieved the second-highest number of affirmative votes on eir=
 proposals on the ballot for the previous nweek. 

If the same player recieves the Token of Proposals two nweeks in a row, or=
 if the player who recieves the Token of Proposals is selected randomly,=
 the Bandwidth Gremlin shall go into Hiding. If at any point the Bandwidth=
 Gremlin has been in Hiding for two nweeks, e shall become Active. The=
 Token of Proposals may not be awarded to the same player in consecutive=
 nweeks. If, according to elsewhere in this rule, the same player would=
 receive the Token of Proposals in consecutive nweeks, the Token is not=
 awarded and the Bandwidth Gremlin goes into Hiding. 

B.4. The LoanShark Gremlin, a.k.a. Luigi

There exists a Gremlin called the LoanShark Gremlin, also known as Luigi.=
 Luigi begins existence Active. 

Players can borrow points from Luigi, on a first-come-first-serve basis, up=
 to the total number of points the Gremlin Fund posesses. The number of=
 points a Player owes Luigi is recorded in an Attribute called Debt. A=
 Player cannot borrow from Luigi if e has a nonzero Debt. 

At the beginning of each nweek after the nweek in which the Player borrowed=
 from Luigi, eir Debt increases by 20% in interest, rounded up. 

A Player with nonzero Debt can repay Luigi at any time as a game Action by=
 transferring points to the Gremlin Fund; eir Debt is reduced accordingly. 

If a Player repays eir debt in the same nweek e borrowed the points, no=
 interest is charged. 

At the end of an nweek, if a Player has failed to repay at least the=
 current nweek's Interest, Luigi takes eir points up to the Debt amount (or=
 all if eir points are less than the Debt amount), applies these taken=
 points to the Debt, and Breaks a Limb. The number of Broken Limbs a Player=
 has is recorded in an Attribute called Broken Limbs. Each Broken Limb=
 reduces the number of proposals a Player may participate in the creation=
 of by one. 

Broken Limbs Heal at the rate of one per nweek, starting with the second=
 consecutive nweek in which the Player did not get an additional Limb=
 Broken, until all Limbs are Healed or more Limbs are Broken. 

If at any time Luigi possesses no points and no Player has a nonzero Debt,=
 Luigi goes into Hiding. Luigi becomes Active again if points are=
 transferred into his possession. 

B.5. The King Gremlin

There exists a Gremlin called the King Gremlin. If the King Gremlin is=
 Active, any player may pay 5+5*(the second Gremlin Number) points to the=
 Gremlin Fund to Bribe the King Gremlin. When the King Gremlin is Bribed,=
 it Represses an Active Gremlin of the Bribing player's choice. When a=
 Gremlin is Repressed, it goes into hiding and may not become Active again=
 as long as it remains Repressed. A Repressed Gremlin ceases to be=
 Repressed 4 ndays after its Repression, or whenever it is UnRepressed.=
 This rule takes precedence over all rules which define when Gremlins may=
 become Active. 

If the King Gremlin is Repressed by a player, all other Gremlins are=
 UnRepressed and the player who Bribed the King Gremlin loses 8 points. 

If at any time at least 2/3 of all Gremlins other than the King Gremlin are=
 Hiding, the King Gremlin goes into Hiding. If at any time at least 2/3 of=
 all Gremlins other than the King Gremlin are Active, the King Gremlin=
 becomes Active, unless it is Repressed. 

If at any time at least 2/3 of all Gremlins other than the King Gremlin are=
 Repressed, the Gremlins Revolt, all Gremlins are UnRepressed, and the King=
 Gremlin is Repressed. 

B.6. The Meteor Gremlin, a.k.a. Rocky

There exists a Gremlin called The Meteor Gremlin, also known as Rocky.=
 Rocky is Active whenever there are more than five vacant Grid locations;=
 otherwise it is Hiding. 

At the end of an nweek, if Rocky is Active, Rocky buys a Big Rock on a=
 random location on the Grid, either a vacant location or one already=
 containing a Big Rock. When Rocky buys a Big Rock, it only pays one-third,=
 rounded down, of what the Rock would normally cost. 

B.7. The Window Gremlins, a.k.a. Curt and Rod

There exist two gremlins, The Window Gremlin and The Other Window Gremlin,=
 also known as Curt and Rod respectively. If a player inhabits the same=
 square on The Grid as Curt or Rod, or is in Limbo with Curt or Rod, e may=
 move directly to the other (known as "Climbing through the Window") by=
 declaring eir intention to do so in a Public Forum. If Curt or Rod is in=
 the possesion of a player who Climbs through the Window, that player loses=
 possesion of Curt or Rod. If at any point, Curt and Rod inhabit the same=
 space on The Grid, they both go into Hiding. If Curt or Rod is Hiding and=
 the other is Active, the Active one goes into Hiding. Curt and Rod become=
 Active at the beginning of the first and sixth ndays of each nweek.=
 Whenever Curt and Rod become Active, Curt is placed on a random square on=
 The Grid with an x value of 1, and Rod is placed on a random square on The=
 Grid with a x value of 20. Whenever the weather is updated, Curt and Rod=
 will take 3 moves in random directions. 

B.8. The Golden-Armed Gremlin, a.k.a. Goldie

There exists a gremlin known as the Golden-Armed Gremlin, or Goldie. At the=
 beginning of each nweek, Goldie makes 1d8 moves in random directions. If,=
 at any point, Goldie occupies the same square as any grid object except=
 big rocks, the Football or another Gremlin, e picks it up and throws it to=
 a random square on the Grid. If, at any point, Goldie occupies the same=
 square as any player holding any grid object or Gremlin, e takes it from=
 the player's possesion and throws it to a random square on the Grid. If=
 Goldie does not throw any objects for 2 consecutive nweeks, e goes into=
 Hiding for 1 nweek. 

B.9. The AAAHHH! Gremlin

There exists a Gremlin known as the AAAHHH! Gremlin. If, at any point,=
 there are no Gremlins in Hiding, the AAAHHH! Gremlin makes a Primal=
 Scream. 

If the AAAHHH! Gremlin makes a Primal Scream, 1dN random Gremlins, where N=
 is the current number of Gremlins go into Hiding. If more than half of the=
 number of Gremlins are active, the AAAHHH! Gremlin becomes Active. If not,=
 the AAAHHH! Gremlin goes into Hiding. 

B.10. The 5-Star General Gremlin, a.k.a. Sir

There exists a gremlin known as the 5-Star General Gremlin, also known as=
 Sir. Any player may give Sir 5 points to have Sir Order another Gremlin=
 Around. If Sir Orders a Gremlin Around, that Gremlin automatically makes 3=
 moves along the path which would take em to the player who gave Sir 5=
 points with the fewest moves. If a majority of Gremlins are in Hiding, or=
 if Sir has Ordered another Gremlin Around 3 times since he was last in=
 Hiding, e goes into Hiding for 1 nweek. 

B.11. The Goon Gremlin, a.k.a. Guido

There exists a Gremlin known as the Goon Gremlin, or Guido. If Guido is=
 Active and in Limbo, and an Inebriated player in Limbo makes a proposal,=
 1d8 is rolled. On a 2 or 3, Guido Smacks that player, taking 4 of eir=
 points. On a 1, Guido Throws that player in Elbonian Airways style at a=
 random square of the Grid which is at least 3 squares away from any border=
 of the grid. 

B.12. The Police Gremlin, a.k.a. Copper

There exists a Gremlin known as the Police Gremlin, or Copper. If Beer Cans=
 exist, and one is thrown, and Copper is within one space of the person who=
 threw it before it hits, Copper apprehends the player who threw the can. 

When Copper apprehends a player for throwing a Beer Can, Copper takes 1dN=
 points from that player, where N is ((the thrower's BAC + 1)(the number of=
 times the thrower has been apprehended before + 1))/(that player's Respect=
 + 1), rounded up, and gives half that number of points, rounded up, to the=
 Gremlin Fund, and half that number of points, rounded down, to the player=
 who was hit with the Beer Can. 

Any player may, at any time, any number of times per nweek, move Copper one=
 space in any direction by paying 1 point/space. 

If Copper does not apprehend any players for 2 nweeks, e goes into Hiding.=
 If a Beer Can is thrown, and e is in Hiding, e comes out of Hiding. 

B.13. The Bandit Gremlin, a.k.a. Robin

There exists a Gremlin known as the Bandit Gremlin, also known as Robin. At=
 the end of each nweek, Robin chooses a random proposal which passed which=
 was on the ballot for that nweek. Robin then takes all points which were=
 given to the proponent of that proposal due to its passing from em and=
 gives them to the player with the lowest score. If Robin's random choice=
 is invalid for any reason, e makes another random selection. If Robin is=
 unable to choose a passing proposal for any reason, e goes into Hiding for=
 one nweek. 

B.14. The Bowling Gremlin, a.k.a. Pinhead

There exists a Gremlin known as the Bowling Gremlin, also known as Pinhead.=
 At the end of each nweek, Pinhead selects two random integers between zero=
 and ten, inclusive. If the first number is ten, Pinhead selects two more=
 random integers between zero and ten, inclusive. If the second original=
 number is 10, Pinhead selects one more random integer between zero and=
 ten, inclusive. A number of points equal to the sum of all the numbers=
 picked by Pinhead multiplied by the number of players who made a proposal=
 that nweek is then given to the Gremlin Fund, and then a number of points=
 equal to the sum of all the numbers picked by Pinhead is given from the=
 Gremlin Fund to each player who made a proposal during that nweek. If=
 Pinhead chooses more than one zero, e goes into Hiding until after the=
 next time e would choose two random numbers. 

B.15. The Flaming Gremlin, a.k.a. Bruce

There exists a Gremlin known as The Flaming Gremlin, also known as Bruce.=
 At the beginning of each nweek, after the Immunity Idol is awarded, Bruce=
 gives a random player the attribute "Burnt". When a player is Burnt, e may=
 make one fewer proposal then e would normally be able to. No two players=
 may be Burnt at the same time. When a second player becomes Burnt, the=
 first player loses the attribute "Burnt". If a player who is Burnt makes=
 no proposals before a Ballot is issued, Bruce goes into Hiding until the=
 next Ballot is issued. [[The player would then remain Burnt for an extra=
 nweek.]] 

The player who holds the Immunity Idol is not considered to be a player for=
 the purposes of Bruce choosing a random player to become Burnt. 

This rule takes precedence over rule 212. [[Bandwidth Rationing]] 

@@@

Repeal Rules 296, 297, 299, 345, 347, 400, 402, 439, 492, 496, 499, 500,=
 501, 551, 574 and 579.

}}

Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:27:12 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Prop 709 revision
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Change the text of prop. 709 to read:

"Any action which is required to be performed by the Administrator or a=
 Minister may also be performed by an automated script, program or webpage,=
 or collection of same (otherwise known as a "software system"), acting on=
 the Administrator's behalf.

If the action that such a software system would perform is the acceptance=
 of submitted player actions, then for the purpose of that specific action,=
 said software system will be considered a public forum."

[[ "Collection of same" meaning if someone wants to go to the trouble of=
 writing a web-friendly interface AND a lynx-friendly interface AND a=
 line-oriented interface, etc., it would all collectively be considered a=
 single "software system".  Personally I can see this being a desirable=
 thing, given enough actions to process. ]]

						Glotmorf

From: Bryan Donlan <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: HOoP
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:00:02 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I join the holy order of points, if it is legal for me to do so.

Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:31:20 -0400
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Friday night)
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quoth Rob Speer,

> On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 05:56:36AM +0000, David E. Smith wrote:
>> Glotmorf's Holy Order of Points CFI is 708, assigned (randomly -- I'll
>> only handpick the judges if it's really important IMO) to Rob.
> 
> That's convenient. I judge TRUE.

I appeal CFI 708, citing CFJ 254 as precedent. [[That was the one where Bean
ruled that the effects of rules created by proposals did not count as
effects of the proposals themselves.]]

BTW, r127 still has an occurrence of the word 'randomly' in it, which ought
to have been removed by the admin's previous proposal.

-- 
Wonko

From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: not to be left out
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:41:33 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I join the Holy Order of Points even if it isn't legal for me to do so.

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:53:15 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: A bit of Neatness
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

We've got too many Gnome Rules. So,

{{
__Neatening up Gnomes__

[[This reorganizes all Gnome rules into a big rule, and neatens up some
things (like leftover 'upon the passing of this rule' clauses and
abbreviations that got nailed by entropy). This also stops the constant
stream of Sheep]]
Amend r441 to be:
{{
__Gnomes__

A. Definitions

A.1. Gnomes

There exist objects known as Gnomes. No Gnome may exist except as specified
in the rules. Each Gnome has a type. All Gnome types must have unique names,
in the form of "**** Gnomes", where **** is a string of at least 1
alphanumeric character.
Whenever a new Gnome type is defined, a single Gnome of that type shall be
placed on a random Grid Square.

A.2. Hit Points

All Gnomes start with 2 Hit Points unless a rule specifies otherwise.
If a Gnome has less than 1 Hit Point, it crumbles to dust and is destroyed.

A.3. Gnome Throwing

Gnomes can be in a grid location or in the posession of a Player.

If a Player and a Gnome are in the same grid location the Player may pick up
the Gnome. 
A Player who has a Gnome may throw it at another grid location or at a
Player in another grid location. Gremlins cannot be thrown at Players who
are On Leave. 
If a Gnome is thrown at a Player, the Player must, as an action, catch the
Gnome within two ndays of it being thrown. If the Player does not or cannot
catch the Gnome, the Gnome hits the Player, who then loses 1d4 score points
to the Player that threw the Gnome; the Gnome then loses 1 hit Point and
falls where the Player is standing.

A.4. The Gnome Factory

There exists an entity called the Gnome Factory. At the beginning of each
nweek, the Gnome Factory creates one Gnome of a random type on a random
legal square of Substance Mud. The Gnome Factory cannot create Gnomes of any
type if there is not already at least one Gnome of thay type on the Grid. If
there are no Mud squares or Gnomes on the Grid, the Gnome Factory does not
produce a Gnome.

A.5. Gnome Bags

Each player has a Gnome Bag. Any player who has a Gnome may place it in eir
Gnome bag. Any player with a Gnome in eir Gnome Bags may take it out at any
time. Gnomes in Gnome bags are treated as if they were Basic Gnomes until
they are removed.

A.5. Mixing Gnomes

If a player has more than one Gnome that is possessed by em, e may mix eir
Gnomes together, which destroys both Gnomes and creates a new one. Gnomes
may only be mixed as explicitly permitted by the rules.

A.6. Gnome Replication

If a player possessess a Gnome and a Beer Can, e may feed the Can to the
Gnome, which destroys the Can. If a Gnome is Wet and it is fed a Beer Can,
it turns into an Amorphous Blob. At the end of each nweek, each Blob that
existed at the beginning of that nweek turns into two Gnomes of the same
type as the Gnome which became the Blob in the first place.

A.7. Garbage Cans

There exist objects called Garbage Cans. Garbage Cans are passable,
stationary objects. There is a Garbage Can at each Elbonian Airways location
Any player who holds a Gnome and is in a square consecutive to a square that
conatains a Garbage Can may Throw Out a Gnome in eir possession, destroying
the Gnome and gaining 5 points.

B. Gnome types

B.1. Yoyo Gnomes

There exist Gnomes of type Yoyo. When a Yoyo Gnome is Thrown at a player and
is not caught, it returns to the possession of the player who threw it, if
one exists. Yoyo Gnomes have 3 Hit Points.

B.2. Ice Gnomes

There exist Gnomes of type Ice. If a square is occupied by either an Ice
Gnome or an entity which holds an Ice Gnome, then the properties of that
square and all entities on that square shall be calculated as if the
temperature were 40 degrees colder, and the properties of the squares
consecutive to that square and all entities on those square shall be
calculated as if the temperature were 30 degrees colder.

B.3. Fire Gnomes

There exist Gnomes of type Fire. If a square is occupied by either an Fire
Gnome or an entity which holds a Fire Gnome, then the square and all
entities in that square lose the attributes Frozen and Wet, and any Brooks
in that square are destroyed.

B.4. Weather Gnomes

There exist Gnomes of type Weather. Whenever a Weather Gnome is destroyed,
the weather is updated immediately. Weather Gnomes have 1 hit point.

B.5. Water Gnomes

There exist Gnomes of type Water. Water Gnomes have 3 hit points. A Water
Gnome may be squeezed by the player holding it at the cost of one of its hit
points to make a Sponge wet or create a Brook at the square the squeezing
player is standing on.

B.6. Earth Gnomes

There exist Gnomes of type Earth. Earth Gnomes have 3 hit points. An Earth
Gnome may be squeezed by the player holding it at the cost of one of its hit
points to turn the Brook the squeezing player is standing in into Mud.

B.7. Grain Gnomes

There exist Gnomes of type Grain. Grain Gnomes have 3 hit points. A Grain
Gnome may be squeezed by the player holding it at the cost of one of its hit
points to make Bread. A player with Bread who is standing on a Brook may use
the Bread on that Brook. If a player uses Bread upon a Brook, they get a
Caviar Sandwich and the Brook is destroyed. If a player eats a Caviar
Sandwich in the same nweek as they drink a glass of Champagne, that player
gets 5 Style Points.

B.8. Winter Gnomes

There exist Gnomes of type Winter. When a Winter Gnome is destroyed, the
temperature decreases by 4 the next time the weather is updated.

B.9. Summer Gnomes

There exist Gnomes of type Summer. When a Summer Gnome is destroyed, the
temperature increases by 4 the next time the weather is updated.

B.10. Beer Gnomes

There exist gnomes of type Beer. Beer Gnomes have three hit points. Beer
Gnomes may be squeezed by the player holding them at the cost of one of
their hit points to produce a Can of Beer, the drinking of which immediately
destroys the Can. When a Beer Gnome runs out of hit points, it becomes a
Beer Can. This rule takes precedence over rules 441 and 498.

B.11. Tea Gnomes

There exist Gnomes of type Tea. Tea Gnomes have three hit points. Tea Gnomes
may be squuezed by the player holding them at the cost of one of their hit
points to produce a Cup of Tea.

B.12. Sheep Gnomes

There exist Gnomes call Sheep Gnomes.
There exist objects called Shears. Any player who does not have Shears may
pay 5 points to get them. Any player who possessess both Shears and a Sheep
Gnome may Shear the Sheep, in which case e gets a Cotton Sponge and eir
Sheep Gnome turns into a randomly selected other type of Gnome.

B.13. Other Gnomes

There exist Gnomes of the following types:
Basic
Air
Lemon
Alien
Herb
Grape
Potato
Russian

C. The Wine List

The following mixes of Gnomes are permitted:

A Winter Gnome plus a Water Gnome makes an Ice Gnome.

A Summer Gnome plus a Air Gnome makes a Fire Gnome.

Three Basic Gnomes makes a Gnome of a random type.

A Winter Gnome plus a Summer Gnome makes a Yoyo Gnome.

A Fire Gnome plus a Ice Gnome makes a Yoyo Gnome.

A Water Gnome plus an Herb Gnome makes a Tea Gnome.

A Grain Gnome plus a Water Gnome makes a Beer Gnome.

An Earth Gnome plus a Grain Gnome makes a Potato Gnome.

An Earth Gnome plus a Summer Gnome makes a Grape Gnome.

A Winter Gnome plus an Earth Gnome makes a Russian Gnome.

}}

Repeal all rules with the keyword 'Gnome' except r441.
Repeal all rules with the keyword 'Gnomes'. [[Sheep Gnomes is the only one]]
Repeal r632. [[Garbage Cans]]
}}

-- 
Wonko

Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:01:36 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Greed doesn't pay
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I propose:

{{ __The Second Mouse Gets The Cheese__

All players who have become members of the Holy Order of Points by
explicitly joining or by naming emself in a rule [[Wonko]] lose 30
points.

All other players gain 30 points, except Rob who gains 30 minus the
number of points he recieved from this proposal passing.
}}

[[ This proposal takes great care not to discriminate based on voting,
even if the CFI gets appealed. ]]

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:06:21 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Whee!
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I make the Insta-Rule:

{{ It is illegal to remain in grid location (10, 8). }}

[[This should be fun.]]

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:41:22 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: So this, then, must be legal?
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I make a Charter Prop:
{{
__Jumping through HOOPs__

This is a Charter Prop.

Create:

{{
__HOOP mk. 2__

There exists a Society called the Lovely Order of Points, or the LOOP.

Players may join the LOOP if they have never been a member by declaring that
they do so in a Public Forum.

Any player may oust a member of the LOOP by taking 20 points from the
Gremlin Fund and giving them to the player being ousted.

Wonko is the first member of the LOOP.
}}

}}

-- 
Wonko

Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:13:09 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: More Bonus Boxes
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Since apparently my earlier proposal wasn't a Charter proposal, my other
earlier proposal wasn't legally made as I had no bandwidth.

So,
{{
__Slime, Inflatable Women, etc.__

Create:
{{
__Frog Juice__

There exist bonus boxes of type Frog Juice. When a player finds a Frog
Juice, e becomes a toad for an nweek.
}}

{{
__Inflatable Sirens__
There exist bonus boxes of type Inflatable Siren. When a player finds an
Inflatable Siren, e is moved to a random legal square consecutive to eir
location, and a Big Rock with a Siren on it is placed on the location e just
was removed from.
}}

{{
__Gnome-in-a-Box__
There exist bonus boxes of type Gnome-in-a-Box. When a player finds a
Gnome-in-a-Box, e gets two Gnomes of a single random type.
}}

}}

-- 
Wonko

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: HOoP 
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 00:22:07 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I join the holy order of points, if it is legal for me to do so.

 So do I.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Whee! 
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 00:52:28 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I make the Insta-Rule:
> 
> {{ It is illegal to remain in grid location (10, 8). }}
> 
> [[This should be fun.]]
> 
 I make the Insta Rule:

 {{ It is legal to enter grid location (2, 8). }}

[[note that the l word is a quotation]]

 I enter the grid location (2,8)

[[ditto]]

 I take the football.

 WC

Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 02:03:40 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Monday evening)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

"There's No Style In Deficit Spending" is 711/0. (M-Tek)

Naath moves on the Grid.

Naath's HoP CFI is 712, assigned to The Voice.

Rob has judged (TRUE) CFI 708. Thus, Wonko is the only member of the HoP.

"Time Freeze, my butt" is 707/1.

Glotmorf rescinds CFJ 620 (e is charged 1 point for this).

"Save Our Limbs" is 713/0.

CFJ 688 is appealed; it goes to The Upper House. Unfortunately, the rules
of The Upper House don't require that the members not be parties to the
relevant CFJ, or that they be active players... the three members of the
House randomly chosen for this appeal are The Reality Police, Glotmorf,
and Congenital Optimist.

Iain has ruled on CFI665.

Wild Card launches eir DimShip; it hovers at 0 ballast, 0 buoyancy.

"Less is More -- Grems." (whew, that's big) is 714/0.

"Delegation Means Delegation" is 709/1.

bd joins the Holy Order of Points.

Wonko appeals CFI 708. The Upper House is called upon once again: Rob,
Glotmorf, and The Voice are assigned to this appeal.

127/3 is rectified (removing a spurious "randomly").

The Voice joins the Holy Order of Points.

"Neatening up Gnomes" is 715/0.

"The Second Mouse Gets The Cheese" is 716/0.

"Jumping through HOOPs" is probably illegal, er, 717/0.

"Slime, Inflatable Women, etc." is 718/0.

Wild Card joins the Holy Order of Points.

Wild Card's Grid movement is illegal -- to the best of my knowledge,
Insta-Rules can't circumvent normal Grid movement rules.

The Insta-Rules that have been created are not recognized; that's not my
job. :-)

Under the current version of "HOP", the members are Wonko, Glotmorf, bd,
The Voice, and Wild Card. This isn't enough to trigger "The Other
Exploitation," at least not yet. :)

In the meantime, to bring the gamestate into alignment with recent CFJs,
the 20 points given under the first incarnation of "The Other
Exploitation" are hereby taken back (from Wonko, Baron von Skippy, bd,
Naath, The Reality Police, and The Voice).

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"I need EVERY brain cell blazing
to outwit my invisible enemies!"
 -- Bart Simpson

Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:22:30 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Insta-Ministry, Monday evening
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Rob Speer makes the following Insta-Rule:

	It is illegal to remain in grid location (10, 8).

Rob's Insta-Ruler is now 2.

Wild Card makes the following Insta-Rule:

	It is legal to enter grid location (2, 8).

Wild Card's Insta-Ruler is now 2.

Insta-Ministry webpage to be fully functional soon.

						Glotmorf
						Insta-Minister

Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:28:22 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Monday evening)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 5/21/02 at 2:03 AM David E. Smith wrote:

>Rob has judged (TRUE) CFI 708. Thus, Wonko is the only member of the HoP.

Since the repealing of Rules 702 and 703 was also an event resulting from=
 all those people becoming members, those rules should be restored too.

						Glotmorf

Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 00:21:28 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Change to Prop. 714
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In subsection B.4. of the text proposed in Prop. 714, in the sixth=
 paragraph, change "At the end of an nweek" to "At the end of a nweek other=
 than the nweek in which the Player borrowed the points".

						Glotmorf

Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 00:41:11 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: This should be fun
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

For one thing, I don't think that the Witch Gremlin should be hiding,
since nobody's been Cursed for a long time.

I pay the Witch Gremlin to curse Wonko.
-- 
Rob Speer

From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 06:53:51 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: RE: spoon-discuss: Strategy
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I join the Holy Order of Points.

uin.
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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 07:06:15 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proosal: Violent green.
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<proosal>
<title>Violent green.</title>
<body>
Create a new rule, titled "Not the same as apathy.", with a chutzpah of 5, and the following @@@-delimited text:
@@@
A player may become Disinterested by stating that they are doing so. At this time they are removed from any groups or football teams they are in, fumble the football if they have it, and are placed in Limbo if they are not there already.

Disinterested players:
Have a score, charm, and entropy of 0.
Are not eligible to receive the sushi, the scarf, the token of proposals, or the immunity idol.
May not play football.
Are in Limbo.
May not give, and are not eligible to receive, a Kick in the Ass.
May not be in a group.
Are treated as if they have the Immunity Idol.
Are not eligible to receive the Immunity Idol.

This rule takes precedence over any other which would otherwise alter the state of a Disinterested player to be in conflict with this rule.
@@@
[[Have I missed anything? All I really want to leave are proosing and judging. Oh, and voting.]]

The player who submitted this proposal becomes Disinterested.
</body>
</proosal>

uin.
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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 07:16:43 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Dimship
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Having conthidered *buzz* thingth carefully, I buy a *crackle* Dimship on the offchanth it might be utheful for *buzz* thomething at thome point, and *crackle* then *crackle* pretend *crackle* that my name ith Jane Authen.

The Reality Polithe,
The Thtyle Polithe,
having *crackle* gender ithueth.
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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 07:29:06 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Beer!
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I thpend thikthty pointth on *buzz* 12 beers.

My dear *crackle*.

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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:38:43 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Appeal: CFJ 688
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 5/20/02 at 7:17 AM Gavin Doig wrote:

>Per rule 404/3, I Appeal CFJ 688.
>
>For analysis (which isn't defined by R404, but nonetheless) I quote the
>following message I sent in reply to BvS:
>#beginquote
>"There is no place where a price tag is put on a glass of Champagne." I
>gather from this that you're saying that one can therefore buy Champagne
>for 0 points, just as one can buy beer for 5 points. However, that is only
>the case because the rules say "Players who are in Limbo can buy Beer for
>five points", which both defines the price and permits the purchase. While
>there is no price defined for Champagne, there is likewise no method of
>purchase defined, and it is therefore impossible under r18 (if you're
>sensible), or rule 393 (otherwise).
>
>Which is not to say your verdict may not be correct, but since you have
>given no evidence that you've even considered my given analysis, I feel
>obliged to send this to a higher court.
>#endquote
>
>The Reality Police.

As a designated member of the Upper House, I rule FALSE on CFJ 688.

Analysis:

Glasses of champagne are described as units of alcoholic beverage.  The=
 class of "alcoholic beverages" has been determined by example in various=
 rules to consist of possessable objects, since there are mechanisms for=
 acquiring, acting upon, and destroying them.  This means the existence, or=
 lack of existence, of said objects is a part of the game state, and=
 therefore changes to the existence of said objects are changes to the game=
 state, which is managed by Rule 393.

Rule 503 defines an action that can be conducted upon a glass of champagne,=
 and also dictates a mechanism for changing its existence (destroying it).=
  There is no mechanism in that rule for causing a glass of champagne to=
 exist; however, Rule 502 provides a mechanism for the creation of generic=
 alcoholic beverage objects, so glasses of champagne inherit this=
 mechanism.  Thus, the creation and destruction of "glass of champagne"=
 objects is regulated, which means it's covered by Rule 18.

I have seen no evidence to suggest that the number of glasses of champagne=
 Plaintiff claims to have drunk in eir action existed at the time of eir=
 action.  Plaintiff has not proven, or even indicated, that e brought said=
 glasses of champagne into existence prior to eir claiming that e drank=
 them.  Under Rules 18 and 393, eir drinking them does not cause or imply=
 their existence.  Therefore, since drinking a glass of champagne is an=
 action performed on an existing object, and since the objects didn't=
 exist, Plaintiff did not in fact drink them.

Regarding the analysis Plaintiff provided with eir CFJ, I believe it is=
 flawed in that it didn't take into account the properties a glass of=
 champagne inherits from its parent alcoholic beverages class.

Regarding the analysis the original judge, Baron von Skippy, provided, I=
 believe it is flawed in that it assumed purchase was the only means of=
 causing something to exist.

I have said.

						Glotmorf

Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:50:14 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Monday evening)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 5/21/02 at 2:03 AM David E. Smith wrote:

>CFJ 688 is appealed; it goes to The Upper House. Unfortunately, the rules
>of The Upper House don't require that the members not be parties to the
>relevant CFJ, or that they be active players... the three members of the
>House randomly chosen for this appeal are The Reality Police, Glotmorf,
>and Congenital Optimist.

Mr. A...Congenital Optimist is On Leave, and therefore, per Rule 205, can't=
 be randomly selected for the appeal.

						Glotmorf

Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:10:55 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFI 708 Appeal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 5/20/02 at 4:31 PM Wonko wrote:

>Quoth Rob Speer,
>
>> On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 05:56:36AM +0000, David E. Smith wrote:
>>> Glotmorf's Holy Order of Points CFI is 708, assigned (randomly -- I'll
>>> only handpick the judges if it's really important IMO) to Rob.
>> 
>> That's convenient. I judge TRUE.
>
>I appeal CFI 708, citing CFJ 254 as precedent. [[That was the one where
>Bean
>ruled that the effects of rules created by proposals did not count as
>effects of the proposals themselves.]]

As a designated member of the Upper House, I judge TRUE on CFI 708.

Analysis:

Aside from the analysis Plaintiff provided when CFI 708 was created, I also=
 point out that CFJ 254, claimed by Appelant as precedent for the appeal,=
 is not as current as the current version of Rule 155, which was cited in=
 the CFI's analysis.

To quote from the analysis of CFJ 254:

"So, the statement boils down to: "The immediate effects of a rule are=
 included in the actions of the proposal that created it." This is not=
 defined anywhere in the rules."

This is no longer the case; Rule 155/1 ties the generation of effects of a=
 proposal to the act of modifying the rules.

Quoting further:

"Not to mention, there is nothing in the rules which states that a rule=
 cannot determine who voted for the proposal which created it, and so by=
 Rule 18, it is allowed."

Again, this is no longer the case; Rule 155/1 says rules generate no=
 effects based on the way players vote on the proposal that resulted in the=
 rule being created.

Rule 155 does not in fact tie particular rules to their parent proposals;=
 Rule 155 focuses on whether a proposal changes the rules and causes=
 such-and-such a result; thus the results are tied to the proposal through=
 the act of changing the rules.  This means it does not matter if Proposal=
 A creates Rule B which creates Rule C which creates Rule D which produces=
 the effects; it only matters that Proposal A caused a change in the rules=
 that resulted in the effects.  So unless it can be proven that Rule D came=
 about as a result of some other cause, causality traces back to Proposal=
 A.

I have said.

						Glotmorf

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Fwd: spoon-business: Greed doesn't pay
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:29:01 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I cast my lot with the Holy Order of Points, and join it.

                                         -BvS-

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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:31:33 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath=20Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: interesting?
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<proposal>

A Disinterested player may cease to be Disinterested
by declaring in a public forum that they are
Interested Again.

</proosal>

Naath

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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:31:52 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath=20Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: interesting?
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<proposal>

A Disinterested player may cease to be Disinterested
by declaring in a public forum that they are
Interested Again.

</proposal>

Naath
oops, two different tags... try again.

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From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: HooP
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:40:56 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I leave the holy order of points :)

(If it's legal, anyway)

Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:49:47 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: The right list
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Let's send this to the right list, shall we?

#####

Of course it's a silent f! What other type of f is there? ;)

In p715, I make the following **** delimited changes:

****
Change "Gremlins" to "Gnomes" in section A.3.

Change "with a Gnome in eir Gnome Bags" to "with a Gnome in eir Gnome Bag"
in section A.5.

Change "both Gnomes" to "the Gnomes thus mixed" in section A.5.

Add a "." after "location" in section A.7.

Move the first 'n' in "an Fire Gnome" in section B.3. to be right after the
'a' in "a Air Gnome" in section C.

In section B.6. replace 'to turn the Brook the squeezing player is standing
in into Mud.' with 'to turn the square the squeezing player is standing on
into Earth, unless there is a Brook on that square, in which case the square
turns to Mud.'

Take out the last sentence of section B.10.

Replace section B.12. with:
{{
B.12. Sheep Gnomes

There exist Gnomes called Sheep Gnomes.
At the beginning of a nweek, if no Sheep Gnomes exist, 2 Sheep Gnomes shall
drop upon random squares on the grid. If a Sheep Gnome lands on a square
occupied by an impassable object, then the Sheep is destroyed and the square
it landed on, each square consective to that square, and all objects and
entities in those squares gain the attribute Wet. If a Sheep Gnome lands on
a player, that player loses 1d4 points to the Gremlin Fund.
}}

****

-- 
Wonko
This looks like a job for Emergency Pants!

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: HooP
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:58:48 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tuesday 21 May 2002 14:40, you wrote:
> I leave the holy order of points :)
>
> (If it's legal, anyway)

nm, too late. I rescind that action which is above.

Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:37:47 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Pseudocode action
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mr. A...I submit the following pseudocode-structured action:

while ((the game continues) and (I haven't cancelled this action))
  {
  if ((Wonko's LOOP, in its current form, is implemented)
      and
     (it is legal for players to take points from the Gremlin Fund))
    {
    while (at least 20 points remain in the Gremlin Fund)
      {
      I join the LOOP.
      I oust myself from the LOOP.
      }
    }
  }

						Glotmorf

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: It's like Microsoft, but different.
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:53:12 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[Well, it seems nobody noticed when I changed this last time. maybe it 
didn't send. Anyway, now I have the time and inclination to fix it. I 
present to you vSOI Mark II:]]

Change the entire text of Proposal 695 to the following BREADSAYSTOAST 
delimited text:

BREADSAYSTOAST
Create a club charter with the following DINK-delimited text:

DINK
__von Skippy Overproduction, Inc.__

There exists a Club called von Skippy Overproduction, Inc., or vSOI.

Players may join vSOI only by consent of the CEO of vSOI, or by unanimous 
consent of all non-CEO members of vSOI, so long as there are more than two 
non-CEO members of vSOI.

Non-CEO members of vSOI may be ousted by the CEO or by the consent of all 
other non-CEO members of vSOI, or they may resign by posting eir intention 
to do so in a message to a public forum. The CEO of vSOI may resign as well, 
in which case the member who has been a member the longest becomes CEO, or e 
may be Sacked by al non-CEO members posting messages to a Public Forum 
declaring that they wish to Sack the CEO, in which case the first member to 
declare eir intention to Sack the CEO shall become CEO. If not all non-CEO 
members declare eir intention to Sack the CEO within one nweek of the first 
player's declaration, the first player to declare eir intention to Sack the 
CEO shall be ousted. A Sacked CEO becomes a non-CEO member of vSOI.

vSOI may not make proposals.

The CEO of vSOI may not also be the Prez of M-Tek. In the event of this 
happening, the CEO of vSOI shall be replaced as though e had resigned, and 
shall be made a non-CEO member of vSOI.

Baron von Skippy is the first member of vSOI, and the first CEO of vSOI.
DINK

Create a new rule with the following POIK delimited text:

POIK
__Overseas Gnomes__

There exists a game entity called the Gnome Account. Any member of vSOI may 
purchase a random Gnome for 2 points, or a specific Gnome for 4 points, from 
the vSOI Gnome Account. Any non-member player may purchase a random Gnome 
from the vSOI Gnome Account for 4 points, or a specific Gnome for 8 points. 
If at the end of any nweek there are more than 100 points in the Gnome 
Account, all points in the Gnome Account shall be removed the Gnome Account, 
and each member of vSOI given G/M points, rounded down, where G is the 
number of points in the Gnome Account and M is the number of members of 
vSOI, with any remaining points being returned to the Gnome Account.

At the start of each nweek, each member of vSOI shall recieve one random 
Gnome.
POIK
BREADSAYSTOAST

[[*deep breath* Now then, time for everyone's favorite game. What have I 
done wrong that will confuse people or destroy the ruleset from the inside 
out?]]

[[oh, and note that "delimited" and "overproduction" are both quotes.]]

                                           BvS

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From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: upper house
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:47:55 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I remove myself from the Upper House.

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: judgement
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:56:10 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I judge CFI 712 to be TRUE.

Since there is no way in the club charter of the HOoP which allows for 
players to join (except for voting for it, which is illegal), Glotmorf did 
not join the HOoP.  Unfortunately, this does nothing for the other members 
of the HOoP, who also should not be members (Voice runs away from Rob's 
proposal), so I submit the following CFI:

Statement:  Wonko is the sole member of the Holy Order of Points.

Analysis: I cite my analysis of CFI 712.

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Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 01:14:55 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Prop: Nweek 16 Hole Plugs
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[ Just a few tiny patches...:) ]]

{{ _Nweek 16 Hole Plugs_

In Rule 550:

- Remove the double quote at the end of the last paragraph.

In Rule 575:

- Replace "possessess" with "possesses".

In Rule 577:

- Replace "occuppies" with "occupies".

In the fourth paragraph of Rule 578:

- Replace "freeform," with "freeform; it and its rules are".

- Replace "be" with "by".

- Replace "three" with "two".

- Replace "publically" with "publicly" (all instances).

In Rule 580:

- Replace "prop." with "proposal".

In Rule 625:

- Replace "Responsabilities" with "Responsibilities".

In Rule 627:

- Replace "proposal." with "proposal, which does not count against=
 bandwidth restrictions, and the passage or failure of which does not cause=
 dimensional changes to the proposer.".

In Rule 630:

- Replace "prop." with "proposal" (all instances).

- Replace "props." with "proposals" (all instances).

- Replace "dim." with "dimension" (all instances).

- Replace "Four-Four-Zero" with "440".

- Replace "ent." with "Entropy".

- Replace "props," with "proposals,".

- Replace "The rules that say" with "The Club rules that say".

- Replace "public rules" with "publically visible rules".

- Replace "Club prop" with "Club Prop".

In Rule 631:

- Replace "Groups, as defined in Rule Five-Seven-Eight, also known as=
 Clubs," with "Clubs".

- In the second paragraph, replace "Clubs." with "Clubs, providing the=
 initial publicly visible Club rules.".

- In the second paragraph, replace "rule" with "Charter".

- In the sixth paragraph, replace "Clubs" with "the Club".

- Remove the last paragraph.

In Rule 633:

- Replace "While" with "Should".

In Rule 635:

- Replace "buoy." with "buoyancy" (all instances).

In Rule 636:

- Replace "posession" with "possession".

}}

						Glotmorf

Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 01:22:22 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Nomilogue #7 - Hu-HOO!
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _And the Children Shall Lead_

[[

Change isn't necessarily a bad thing, and neither, necessarily, is no=
 change.  Our voyages down the entropic axis were chilling at the=
 extremity, but by definition there is an infinite amount of distance=
 between our normality and that far end of order.

In fact, our latest trip through the Care Bears realm, while unpleasant in=
 a sugar-cubes-with-honey sense, showed the range of possibilities, and=
 therefore we forged onward into the areas of entropy and charm.

By adjusting for style, and by leaving the scotch at home (which the Old=
 Man wasn't at all pleased about), we were able to navigate into a more=
 stable realm, which, at initial observation, resembled a large=
 picture-perfect subdivision.  We cruised over the landscape, and saw that=
 as we travelled farther from our starting point the land looked like...a=
 large picture-perfect subdivision.  There didn't seem to be any end to the=
 brightly painted Cape Cods with big picture windows and yards with swings=
 and sandboxes.

I called a couple crew forward to help me monitor multiple views from the=
 hull cameras.  We looked for variations, edges, urban clusters, rural=
 spreads...and found none.  It appeared to be the at least continental=
 model of Pleasant Valley.

"People.  Down there.  Zoom in for me...?  Hm.  Looks like children playing=
 in that back yard."

"Screen two...More children.  Something in a circle...Ring around the=
 rosey?"

"Sir...I'm spotting movement through a picture window.  Can we navigate=
 down to look?"

"I see them.  Are they adult?  No...more children.  They all seem happy..."

And on it went.  Children playing inside, children playing outside...and=
 not an adult to be seen.  A world of children at play.  Which I found=
 oddly...creepy.

"You seem to have found the realm of day care, Mr. Morf."

I shook my head. "No sir.  That would imply caregivers.  We haven't seen a=
 single adult so far.  All we've seen is...What the hell is that?!?"

A large shape had appeared on the horizon.  It got closer, and larger.  We=
 could see huge eyes and teeth, a massive tail, and feet bigger than=
 houses.  It was a dinosaur of Godzilla stature, and it was...

Purple?

HU-HOO!

It was a giggle, or a hiccup, or perhaps even a mating cry.  It boomed over=
 the ship, rattling teeth and toppling unsecured boxes.

And the source of it was coming closer.

OH, LOOK, NEW FRIENDS!  I JUST LOVE HAVING NEW FRIENDS COME AND VISIT ME!=
  LET ME GIVE YOU A GREAT BIG HUG!

The front view, and soon all views, were covered by purple.  A groaning=
 resonated through the ship.

"Monty!  Status report!"

"Shields are holdin', but I canna say for how long!"

I switched on the PA.  "Hey!  Stop!  What do you want?"

OH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE MY NEW FRIENDS FEEL RIGHT AT HOME!  WE CAN PLAY AND=
 SING SONGS AND USE OUR IMAGINATION!  DOESN'T THAT SOUND LIKE FUN?

"Uh...yeah..." No, it couldn't be. "...Barney."

HU-HOO!  THIS IS GREAT!  DO YOU WANT TO SING A SONG?

"Song...?  I, uh..."

YOU DON'T KNOW ANY SONGS?  AW, DON'T FEEL SAD.  THERE'S LOTS OF SONGS I CAN=
 TEACH YOU.  HERE, LET ME GIVE YOU A HUG TO HELP YOU FEEL BETTER.

The groaning was louder this time, and I thought I heard something start to=
 tear.

"Wait!  Wait!  I...I know a song!"

YOU DO?

"Yeah!  It's...uh..."  Everyone in the control room stared at me, terrified=
 and stupefied. "...it's about you!"

ABOUT ME?  OH, I JUST LOVE SONGS ABOUT ME!  LET'S HEAR IT!

]]

{{ _The Barney Realm_

Barney
He has a realm
It's a very nice place
It's entropic and charming but
Lacks booze

Style ten
B A C zip
There is no drinking here
Entropy fifty and charm is
Sixty

Barney
He likes to sing
He wants friends to sing too
If his friends can't think of songs he
Hugs them

In a
Nweek you start here
Or that you enter here
You make a poetic prop or
Get hugged

If you're
In a DimShip
Hugs are like ship gun shots
If you've no ship, when hugged you lose
Ten points

}}

[[

There was a long silence.

"Was that the absolute best you could do, Mr. Morf?" the Old Man asked=
 tightly.

I whispered over my shoulder. "Hey, it's better than Vogon poetry."

AW, I THOUGHT THAT WAS SWELL!  DID YOU MAKE THAT UP YOURSELF?  YOU'RE=
 REALLY SMART!  LET ME GIVE YOU A GREAT BIG...

"No, we can't do that now!  It's time to say goodbye!"

SO SOON?

"Yeah!  We're all out of time now!" I started flipping switches. "Can you=
 sing the goodbye song?"

WHY, SURE!  AND WE'LL HAVE LOTS MORE FUN THE NEXT TIME YOU DROP BY!

I killed the PA and worked on setting a new course. "Did you want to stay=
 and have more fun, sir?"

"I would rather be in Hell, Mr. Morf."

"Course plotted, sir."

I LOVE YOU...YOU LOVE ME...LET'S RAISE OUR ACTIVITY...

]]

}}

						Glotmorf

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The casino(and my first prop!)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:01:27 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Create the following BEEF delimited proposition:

BEEF
__The Casino__

Create a rule with the following PORK delimited text:
PORK
__The casino__
There exists a passable SO known as the Casino. It is located at 10,12 on=
 the=20
Grid. It can be in one of two states: Open or Closed. Itsm inital state i=
s=20
Open.

If at any time the Gremlin Fund drops below 150 points, the Casino's stat=
e=20
becomes Closed. At the end of each nweek, if the Gremlin fund contains at=
=20
least 250 points, the Casino's state becomes Open.

If a Player occupies the same square as the Casino, and the Casino is Ope=
n, e=20
can place a bet of any even number of points that is greater than or equa=
l to=20
10 and less than or equal to 50 and less than or equal to the number of=20
Points they possess. Those points are transferred to the Gremlin fund. 2d=
6 is=20
rolled for the Player and the Casino. If the Player rolls higher, 1.5 *=20
(number of points bet) is transferred from the Gremlin fund and to the=20
Player.

Players are allowed to Bet only once per nday.
PORK
BEEF

Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:06:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: B Nomic Business <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Actions
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I declare myself Off Leave.

I forfeit the game.  Sorry, but I've gotten too far behind, and 
there is no way that I'm ever going to catch up.

Vaya con dios,

-Congenital Optimist

-- 
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"Luckily, right at that moment, an unconscious Argentinian 
 fell through my roof!"      --Christian in "Moulin Rouge"

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: B Nomic Business <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: LOGAS cleanup
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:15:06 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Create the proposal with the following VOID delimited text:

VOID
__LOGAS cleanup__
Remove 'changing gender more than twice in any nday or nweek' (excluding=20
quotes) from the LOGAS.
Add 'changing gender more than twice in any nweek' (excluding quotes) to =
the=20
LOGAS.
VOID

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ 690/0
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:27:45 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

CFJ 690/0
 CFJ by Wonko
 Assigned Judge: bd
=20

Statement: There is no club called M-Tek.=20

Defendant: Glotmorf=20

Ruling:

Analysis(from webpage, presumably by Wonko):=20

As Glotmorf has repeatedly insisted, Charter Props are not normal Props.=20
Because the Charter Rule says so, Charter Props are put on the Ballot and=
=20
voted on. However, the Charter Rule does not account for the following th=
ings=20
which they are excluded from by not being proposals:=20
They don't recieve Serial Numbers (r5)=20
They may attempt to temporarily circumvent the rules (r10)=20
They may not be revised (r19)=20
**They are not processed, nor do their actions take effect**, nor may the=
y be=20
vetoed, nor do they cause dimension changes to their proponents (r32)=20
They need not be displayed for public review (r211)=20
They may not be rectified by the admin to change 'day' to 'nday' (r257)=20
They are not exempt from the Scarf's effects (r258)=20
They may not modify the LOGAS (r260)=20

Analysis(mine):=20
I looked at r630/1 and r631/1 and they don't say that Charter props(or cl=
ub=20
props) don't take effect. Therefore, M-Tek exists.

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: CFJ 690/0
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:33:40 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Wednesday 22 May 2002 18:27, you wrote:
<snip>
> As Glotmorf has repeatedly insisted, Charter Props are not normal Props=
=2E
> Because the Charter Rule says so, Charter Props are put on the Ballot a=
nd
> voted on. However, the Charter Rule does not account for the following
> things which they are excluded from by not being proposals:
> They don't recieve Serial Numbers (r5)
> They may attempt to temporarily circumvent the rules (r10)
> They may not be revised (r19)
> **They are not processed, nor do their actions take effect**, nor may t=
hey
> be vetoed, nor do they cause dimension changes to their proponents (r32=
)
> They need not be displayed for public review (r211)
> They may not be rectified by the admin to change 'day' to 'nday' (r257)
> They are not exempt from the Scarf's effects (r258)
> They may not modify the LOGAS (r260)

Additional analysis:
I quote rule 631/1:

 Groups, as defined in Rule Five-Seven-Eight, also known as Clubs, can be=
=20
formed by a Player making a Charter Prop, which is like a normal prop. in=
=20
that it's added to the nweek ballot and voted on. A Charter Prop, though,=
=20
passes unless 2/3 of the votes it receives are against it.

It goes on to put more restrictions, but it does not say that the charter=
 prop=20
is different in that it has no effect.

From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: proposal
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:39:28 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ __Now you see me, now you don't!__

Amend rule 705 by appending the following -0- delimited text:

-0-
There exist Bonus Boxes called Wormholes.  When a player finds a Wormhole, e 
is immediately transported to a square adjacent to another, randomly 
selected Bonus Box.
-0-

}}

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: insta-rule
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:43:44 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I enact the following Insta-rule:

It is legal to enter grid location (2,7).

I do so.

I tackle Wild Card.

I punt the football towards (12,17), or if that is not legal, as close to 
that square as I can.

:)

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: move
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:45:34 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If it is legal for me to do so, I move to (2,6), take the Fire Gnome there 
and put it and all other Gnomes in my possession in my Gnome Bag.

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:09:29 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: CFI
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I submit the following CFI:

<CFI>

Statement: As of the time this CFI was issued, Iain was not and had never
been a member of M-Tek.

Defendant: Glotmorf

Analysis:

Players may not change the gamestate unless a rule explicitly permits them
to. Iain's joining of M-Tek was a change to the gamestate. Therefore, Iain
could not have joined M-Tek unless a rule permitted em to. However, no rule
permitted em to join.

Although M-Tek's Charter outlines methods for the addition of players to
M-Tek, the Charter only has the force of rule for members of the club. Thus,
unless one is already a member of the club, one cannot join the club.

</CFI>

-- 
Wonko

From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: ...
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:34:44 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Due to an email glitch, one of my messages has been sent out of order.  It 
should be in the order of: proposal, insta-rule, move.  Thanks.

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:36:45 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Screw it.
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

if, at any time, proposal 716 fails and I have not rescinded this action, I
evict myself from the HOOP and change my vote on the LOOP Charter Prop to
NO.

There. I'm sick of trying to figure out how these things work. Y'all agree
not to fine me 30 points, and I'll agree not to try to exploit Charter Props
anymore (for the moment, at least). I'm working on a more specific Charter
Prop rule right now. We'll see what happens.

-- 
Wonko

Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:36:10 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Thursday morning)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The nomination period for the Grid Ministry position has closed. What a
shocker, there were no nominees ('cept me, who's nominated for pretty much
everything by default). Yay me.

Nday 6 comes around at some point: The Weather updates, and Curt and Rod
move.

I've added two Radar Blips that I had negligently overlooked before.

"Less is More: Grems." is 714/1.

The Witch Gremlin should in fact be Active; that was one of the (many? I
dunno) things I've overlooked in my nweekly checklist. Rob pays said Witch
Gremlin to Curse Wonko (at a cost of 21 points).

The Reality Police joins the Holy Order of Points, bringing its membership
to 6, which is more than 1/3 of 17. The whole damn fiasco triggers again,
and Wonko, Glotmorf, bd, The Voice, Wild Card, and The Reality Police each
score 20 points. The HOOP then ceases to exist, thankfully.

"Violent green." is 719/0.

The Reality Police buys a DimShip (There's something I never thought I'd
see.) and a twelve-pack of Beer. (isn't there a law against drinking
and... oh, skip it.)

Congenital Optimist was chosen for CFI688 under the rules of the Upper
House, which don't prevent inactive players from being chosen. (They also
don't prevent the plaintiff or defendant of any given case from being
chosen as one of its judges, or do a lot of other things that really make
no sense.) Someone really really oughta fix that; under the rules of said
House, it shouldn't be that hard to do.

Glotmorf (from the Upper House) rules FALSE on CFI688. (952)

Glotmorf (from the Upper House) rules TRUE on CFI708. (954)

(The parenthesized numbers above are for when the House as a whole rules,
so I can find the different judges' opinions on this, and paste 'em
together when I need to.)

As the Holy Order of Points no longer exists, Baron von Skippy cannot
join. (This also goes for anyone else who tries to join or leave; such
messages will not be acknowledged.)

"interesting?" is 720/0 (rectified: added Standard Delimiters so it'll
actually be a rule)

"Neatening up Gnomes" is 715/1 (rectified: "consective" -> "consecutive")

Even if the LOOP existed (it doesn't yet), Glotmorf's "pseudocode action"
is impossible under the LOOP's rules (again, if they existed, which they
don't). The best case one could hope for there would be one partial
iteration of said loop. At any rate, since the LOOP doesn't presently
exist, it's just an infinite null loop.

"Healthy Competition" is 695/1. (Note that since it now has actions other
than creating a Charter, it won't count as a Charter Prop and thus will be
subject to the standard majority requirement for passage.)

The Voice resigns from the Upper House.

The Voice rules TRUE on CFI 712... okay, this is gonna get twisty. Since
it is determined that Glotmorf was not a member of the HOOP, the 20-point
bonuses and such are unrolled. But then the HOOP existed when Baron von
Skippy tried to join, so when e joined, the whole thing fired off (AGAIN).

I don't much care what happens, somebody fix that damn thing. NOW.

The Voice's HOOP CFI is 721, assigned to Ed Murphy.

"Nweek 16 hole plugs" is 722/0. (And mostly rectifications, but now I'm
not gonna make 'em. :)

"And The Children Shall Lead" is 723/0. (And it may be amusing to someone
that all the BARNEY SHOUTING set off my spam detector.)

"The Casino" is 724/0.

Congenital Optimist returns, and then Forfeits. (sigh.)

While I'm cleaning out the Roster: Scoff! has been on leave for entirely
too long; Garbage Collection kicks in on em as well.

This adjusts the Entropy/syllable thresholds back up a bit - be sure to
check the Entropy page to find out just how encumbered your speech shall
be.

"LOGAS cleanup" is 725/0.

bd rules FALSE on CFI690. (Actually, I rectified this - e included
analysis that only makes sense if the ruling is FALSE but e forgot to put
in an actual ruling. :)

"Now you see me, now you don't!" is 726/0. (I would also suggest that, for
best effect, the author might wish to create one or two of those Boxes.)

Since The Voice isn't within running distance of (2,7), eir Grid-related
actions fail. (This is illegal on multiple levels: you're out of range,
Insta-Rules only take effect at the end of the nweek even if they did
circumvent normal Grid movement which they don't, and there may be more.)

Baron von Skippy tries to set the ballast of eir DimShip, but fails (try
it on the -business list, maybe?)

Wonko's "M-Tek membership" CFI is 727, assigned to Naath.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis, MO 63151

Vote NO on p692!

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Sea Cucumber
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:46:14 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thank you, Dave, for launching my DimShip. However, I also had set the 
bouyancy and ballast to +50 Charm, +50 Score, -50 Respect, and -50 Entropy. 
Can that be set too, or do I need to wait until the end of the nweek?

                                     -BvS-

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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:24:17 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Oh, all right...HOOP CFI :)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

CFI statement:

It is not legal for any player who was in the game as of the enactment of=
 the HOoP to join or to have joined the HOoP; therefore, the HOoP currently=
 has Wonko as its sole member, and only players who join the game after the=
 enactment of the HOoP can join the HOoP.

Analysis:

The proposal that created the HOoP, Proposal 676, had two provisions for=
 players to join.  The first read,

"Every player who voted for the proposal which created this rule is=
 initially a member of the Holy Order of Points."

This was determined to be illegal by another CFI.  The second read,

"New players may join by announcing eir intention to do so on a Public=
 Forum"

which provides a means for "new players" to join, but none for existing=
 players to join.

Therefore, as already noted in CFI 712, there is no legal means for=
 existing players to join.  And thus, none could have joined.

						Glotmorf

Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:31:43 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Insta-Ministry -- Thursday afternoon
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The Insta-Ministry recognizes the following Insta-Rules:

>From the Voice:

"It is legal to enter grid location (2, 7)."

>From Glotmorf:

"It is illegal to enter grid location (20, 11)."

						Glotmorf
						Insta-Minister

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: Stupid HOOP...
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:46:07 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Create a proposal with the following text:
{{
__Exorcisim of much evil__

Change the gamestate such that Proposal 676/1 never passed.
}}

From: bd <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Revised proposal: Stupid HOOP...
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:35:42 -0400
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Create a proposal with the following text:
{{
__Exorcisim of much evil__

Remove all members from the Holy Order Of Points, and disband it.

}}

Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:20:22 -0400
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Oh, all right...HOOP CFI :)
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quoth Glotmorf,

> CFI statement:
> 
> It is not legal for any player who was in the game as of the enactment of the
> HOoP to join or to have joined the HOoP; therefore, the HOoP currently has
> Wonko as its sole member, and only players who join the game after the
> enactment of the HOoP can join the HOoP.
> 
> Analysis:
> 
> The proposal that created the HOoP, Proposal 676, had two provisions for
> players to join.  The first read,
> 
> "Every player who voted for the proposal which created this rule is initially
> a member of the Holy Order of Points."
> 
> This was determined to be illegal by another CFI.  The second read,
> 
> "New players may join by announcing eir intention to do so on a Public Forum"
> 
> which provides a means for "new players" to join, but none for existing
> players to join.
> 
> Therefore, as already noted in CFI 712, there is no legal means for existing
> players to join.  And thus, none could have joined.

I think I'll make this FALSE. I evict myself from the HOOP. Having no
members, it is now disbanded. Your CFI is now False, as the HOOP does not
have me as its sole member.

-- 
Wonko

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Oh, all right...HOOP CFI :)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:39:25 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thursday 23 May 2002 18:20, you wrote:
> I think I'll make this FALSE. I evict myself from the HOOP. Having no
> members, it is now disbanded. Your CFI is now False, as the HOOP does n=
ot
> have me as its sole member.

If this is legal, then I rescinding proposal __Exorcisim of much evil__.

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Oh, all right...HOOP CFI :)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:41:03 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thursday 23 May 2002 18:39, you wrote:
> On Thursday 23 May 2002 18:20, you wrote:
> > I think I'll make this FALSE. I evict myself from the HOOP. Having no
> > members, it is now disbanded. Your CFI is now False, as the HOOP does=
 not
> > have me as its sole member.
>
> If this is legal, then I rescinding proposal __Exorcisim of much evil__=
=2E

Replace rescinding with rescind.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal Change
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 00:53:17 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Change prop. 713 to be:

{{
 __Club Clarification__

 Add to rule 578 before the last para this text:

 c) The mere fact that the rules of a Club may allow, or even force, a
player to take an action does not make that action legal within the
rules of B Nomic.  Thus, should the rules of a Club, say, allow a
player to take twenty points from the Gremlin Fund, and the rules of B
Nomic do not allow this, then the player cannot take this action - and
is subject to the part of the rules of the Club that deals with such
cases - if any such exist.
}}

Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:04:12 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal - Definitions
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__Definitions__

Amend r13 to be the following:
{{
__Definitions__

A player is any entity who is capable of passing the Turing test, consents
to said designation as a player, has become a player in the manner described
in the rules, and who consents to be governed by the rules.

A being is any entity which is either a Player or the Administrator.

A Proposing Entity, or PE, is any entity which is capable of issuing a
Proposal.
}}
}}
-- 
Wonko

Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:11:30 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Bandwidth Pooling
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

How's this for Bandwidth Pooling? They're similar to Clubs, but only meant
to be use for Bandwidth loans.

{{
__Bandwidth Pools__

A. Definition

Bandwidth Collectives, or Pools, are groups of players sharing eir
bandwidth. A Pool may be created by a group of three to six players, using
the following procedure:

1) One player issues, in a Public Forum, a Declaration of Intent to Pool, or
a DIP. A DIP must include:
    i) the name of the Pool to be created
    ii) the names of all other players who are to be members of the Pool.
    iii) a statement indicating whether the Pool is Open or Closed.
2) Each player named to be part of the Pool affirms, within three ndays of
the issuance of the DIP, their willingness to join the Pool. If any named
player fails to do this, the DIP is void and the Pool is not created.

B. Admittance and Rejection

All Pools must have one of two leniencies Open or Closed. A Pool is assumed
to be Open if it's leniency is unspecified.
Any member of a Pool may remove emself from that Pool by declaring their
intention to leave the Pool in a Public Forum. Such removals take effect at
the beginning of the next Voting Period.

B.1. Open Pools

The following two paragraphs apply only to Open Pools:

Any player who is not a member of a Pool may issue a Request for Admittance
(RFA). If a majority of the members of the Pool deny the RFA within four
ndays of its issuance, then the RFA is destroyed and has no effect.
Otherwise, the player who issued the RFA becomes a member of the Pool.

Any player who is a member of a Pool may issue a Writ of Exclusion (WOE)
towards any other member of the same Pool. If a majority of the members of
the Pool other than the target of the WOE deny the WOE within four ndays of
its issuance, then the WOE is destroyed and has no effect. Otherwise, the
player who was targeted by the WOE ceases to be a member of the Pool. Such
oustings take effect at the beginning of the next Voting Period.

B.2. Closed Pools

The following two paragraphs apply only to Closed Pools:

Any player who is not a member of a Pool may issue a Request for Admittance
(RFA). If any member of the Pool denies the RFA within four ndays of its
issuance, then the RFA is destroyed and has no effect. Otherwise, the player
who issued the RFA becomes a member of the Pool.

Any player who is a member of a Pool may issue a Writ of Exclusion (WOE)
towards any other member of the same Pool. If any member of the Pool other
than the target of the WOE denies the WOE within four ndays of its issuance,
then the WOE is destroyed and has no effect. Otherwise, the player who was
targeted by the WOE ceases to be a member of the Pool. Such evictions take
effect at the beginning of the next Voting Period.

C. Pooled Proposals

C.1. Definition

A Pool may submit Pooled Proposals. Pooled proposals are proposals, but with
the following properties:

*They count as 1/(number of Players in the Pool) units of bandwidth towards
each member's Bandwidth.

*When a Pooled Proposal passes or fails, the dimensions of each member of
the Pool shall change by (the amount the eir dimensions would have changed
had e issued the proposal emself) / (the number of players in the Pool),
rounded up.

*When a Pooled Proposal is Shelved, it is immediately removed from the
Ballot and destroyed.
[[To deal with possible changes in the size of the Club between nweeks]]

C.2. Issuance

Any player in a Pool may issue a Pooled Proposal on behalf of eir Pool
provided that each Pool member has enough Bandwidth that eir Bandwidth will
not drop below zero.

Before Voting begins, each Pooled Proposal that would be on the Ballot must
be Ratified by its Pool, or it is destroyed. An Open Pool Ratifies a Pooled
Proposal when at least half of its members, not counting the member who
issued proposal, affirm it in a Public Forum. A Closed Pool Ratifies a
Pooled Proposal when all of its members, not counting the member who issued
the proposal, affirm it in a Public Forum.

D. Destruction of Pools

If at any time a Pool has fewer than two members, or more than two-thirds of
all players are members, the Pool is immediately dissolved, and it and all
Pooled Proposals, WOEs, and RFA's associated with it cease to exist.

}}

-- 
Wonko

Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:20:54 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Back from the Grave...
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__The PIG v2.0__

There exists a Gremlin called the Consuming Gremlin, or the Pig. At the
beginning of each nweek, the following occurs:
*If there are six or more Insta-Rules, the Pig becomes Active if it is in
Hiding, or Eats a random Insta-Rule, destroying it, if it is already Active.
*If there are four or fewer Insta-Rules, the Pig goes into Hiding.
}}
-- 
Wonko

Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:42:11 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Boxes
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

That's right, I've got the Token.  :)

{{
__Boxes__

Put ten random Bonus Boxes on the Grid at random vacant locations.
Give each player 5 points. [[Hey, why not?]]
}}

-- 
Wonko

Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 23:24:03 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: M-Tek Prop: Repeat as Needed
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The Prez of M-Tek makes this Club Prop:

{{ _Repeat as Needed_

In Rule 437:

- In subsection A.2., after the line labelled "4)", add the line:

"5) This pattern can be repeated multiple times."

- In subsection A.3., after the line labelled "7)", add the line:

"8) This pattern can be repeated multiple times."

}}

Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 00:17:52 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Prop 722 change
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In Proposal 722, replace the text

"Remove the last paragraph."

with

"Change the last paragraph to read, 'Members of a Club must obey the rules=
 stated in the Club's Charter, subject to the rules of the game.'"

From: "Ed Murphy" <[email-masked]>
To: "B Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal:  __Stand Still!__
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 01:26:06 -0700
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Proposal:  __Stand Still!__

Amend Rule 128 (Judgement) by appending this text:
{{
     A Judge shall choose eir response according to the Statement's truth
     or falsity at the time of the Call, not at the time of eir Judgement.
}}

-- 
Ed Murphy <[email-masked]>          "I'm not sure I can go through
http://members.fortunecity.com/emurphy/      with it.  Leave, I mean."

From: "Ed Murphy" <[email-masked]>
To: "B Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Judgment of CFI 721; Appeal of CFI 712
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 01:18:18 -0700
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I agree with Glotmorf's CFI (I believe it is or will be 728), which
claims that the only ways to join the Holy Order of Points are the
following ways from Proposal 676:

     a) Be Wonko.  (Effective in making Wonko a member)
     b) Vote for Proposal 676.  (Ineffective, due to Rule 155)
     c) Be a new player, and declare joining.  (Has not taken effect;
          none of the players claiming to join this way were new players)

For this reason, I judge the statement of CFI 721:

     "Wonko is the sole member of the Holy Order of Points."

to be TRUE.

I also appeal the judgment of CFI 712, whose statement (judged TRUE by
The Reality Police) is:

     "Glotmorf can't join the Holy order of Points.  There's nothing
      in the club prop that says how you can join it, other than the
      (illgal) method of joining by voting for it."

Here is an excerpt from Proposal 676:

     "New players may join by announcing eir intention to do so on a
      Public Forum"

The object of "join" in this excerpt is "the Holy Order of Points",
and the object of "you" in the second sentence of CFJ 712's statement
includes "new players", so the second sentence is false - making the
entire statement false.

-- 
Ed Murphy <[email-masked]>          "I'm not sure I can go through
http://members.fortunecity.com/emurphy/      with it.  Leave, I mean."

Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:09:30 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath=20Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: CFI 727
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Statement: As of the time this CFI was issued, Iain
was not and had never been a member of M-Tek. 

Defendant: Glotmorf 

Analysis: 

Players may not change the gamestate unless a rule
explicitly permits them to. Iain's joining of M-Tek
was a change to the gamestate. Therefore, Iain could
not have joined M-Tek unless a rule permitted em to.
However, no rule permitted em to join. 

Although M-Tek's Charter outlines methods for the
addition of players to M-Tek, the Charter only has the
force of rule for members of the club. Thus, unless
one is already a member of the club, one cannot join
the club. 

Judgement: 
False, Ian is a member of M-Tek.

Why:
Because he joined in the way prescribed by the M-Tek
charter.  There is no other rule saying that Ian may
*not* join M-Tek in this way 

=====
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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 07:07:55 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proosal: Our physical shells are rotting.
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<proosal>
<title>Our physical shells are rotting.</title>
<body>
Add "Complaining about Microsoft, or otherwise imitating Slashdot." to the LOGAS.
</body>
</proosal>

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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 07:24:50 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ
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<CFJ>
<statement>There is a rule numbered 212 in the current ruleset.</statement>
<defendant>Baron von Skippy</defendant>
<analysis>
Proosal 678 repealed rule 212. Proosal 678 was vetoed by the admin.

Rule 32 says that a proosal which is vetoed by the admin is "deemed to have failed". However, the Admin did not veto p678 until he released the voting results. P678 is considered to have passed "after the votes on all proposals voted on during that voting period have been counted", at which point its changes are applied. It's a little ambiguous as to whether that is when they are platonically counted by the rules, or mundanely counted by the Admin, but either way his veto came afterwards.

Rule 32 does take precedence over rule 204, so it is possible for rule 32 to have retroactive effect. However, nowhere does rule 32 state that it does so. Reversing the changes p678 made to r155 would be a change to the rules, and thus by r11 can only be done if the rules provide for doing so, which r32 does not do.

Therefore, although proosal 678 is deemed to have failed, the changes it made to the rules (and, probably, gamestate, although that's not needed for this CFJ to be FALSE, or important as it only created a rule) have nonetheless taken place, and this CFJ is FALSE.

[[Yes, this won't please Dave, and it might well be better if this were true. "Nonetheless, it still moves."]]
</analysis>
</CFJ>

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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 07:31:30 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ 688 verdict
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This member of the Upper House hereby rules FALSE on CFJ 688.

Analysis:
On the analysis of the original judge, I point out that the lack of a defined price for something does not make it possible to buy that thing for nothing.

On the analysis of the original CFJ, the argument given was that the fact that the rules permitted one to drink a glass of champagne, without explicitly requiring that one have such a glass of champagne, allows one to drink a glass of champagne without having one. Alternatively, this can be viewed as a distinction between performing the action "drink" on "a glass of champagne", and merely performing the action "drink a glass of champagne". However, this is flawed, as the rules clearly define a glass of champagne as an object, so the clearest interpretation is the "drink" "a glass of champagne" one, which requires a glass to drink.

The Reality Police.
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:05:15 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: *sigh*
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
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Quoth Naath Thabana,

> Statement: As of the time this CFI was issued, Iain
> was not and had never been a member of M-Tek.
> 
> Defendant: Glotmorf
> 
> Analysis: 
> 
> Players may not change the gamestate unless a rule
> explicitly permits them to. Iain's joining of M-Tek
> was a change to the gamestate. Therefore, Iain could
> not have joined M-Tek unless a rule permitted em to.
> However, no rule permitted em to join.
> 
> Although M-Tek's Charter outlines methods for the
> addition of players to M-Tek, the Charter only has the
> force of rule for members of the club. Thus, unless
> one is already a member of the club, one cannot join
> the club. 
> 
> Judgement: 
> False, Ian is a member of M-Tek.
> 
> Why:
> Because he joined in the way prescribed by the M-Tek
> charter.  There is no other rule saying that Ian may
> *not* join M-Tek in this way

I appeal this CFJ on the grounds that there is a rule saying that Iain may
not join M-Tek in this way. It's the Default Case, which says that players
may not change the gamestate.

-- 
Wonko

From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Re: spoon-discuss: B Nomic Bulletin
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:04:36 -0400
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>From: "Ed Murphy" <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: [email-masked]
>To: "B Nomic Discussion" <[email-masked]>
>Subject: spoon-discuss: B Nomic Bulletin
>Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 01:48:53 -0700
>
>I decided to do this for my own benefit, so that I could at least *begin*
>to grok what the hell is going on.
>
>First edition.  Comments welcome.  Corrections /really/ welcome.
>
>
>
>THE B NOMIC BULLETIN
>Friday, May 24, 2002
>nweek 17 - by Murphy

{{ __R-E-S-P-E-C-T__

For going through all this (B Nomic Bulletin) and in the hopes that e'll do 
it again, we respect Murphy.

}}

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 18:26:44 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Friday afternoon)
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There was a random power outage in the middle of this latest update, so
I'm sorta reconstructing things from memory (and the Web site) here.

BvS's DimShip changes heading.

CFI 728 is assigned to Rob.
CFI 737 is assigned to Iain. (Aside: should it turn out that there is, in
fact, no Rule 212, Rule 0 will kick in shortly thereafter.)

"Club Clarification" is 713/1.
"Nweek 16 Hole Plugs" is 722/1.
"Exorcism of much evil" is 729/0, 729/1.
"Definitions" is 730/0.
"Bandwidth Pools" is 731/0.
"The PIG v2.0" is 732/0.
"Boxes" is 733/0.
"Repeat as Needed" is 734/0.
"Stand Still!" is 735/0.
"Our physical shells are rotting." is 736/0.
"R-E-S-P-E-C-T" is 738/0.

Wonko can't resign from the HOOP; as of right now it doesn't exist.

bd can't rescind "Exorcism of much evil" as there isn't a legal mechanism
for doing so.

Ed Murphy judges CFI 721 (TRUE). The HOOP winks back into existence, with
Wonko as its sole member. (Everyone who had scored 20 points from its
previous incarnation loses those 20 points.) It then winks back out of
existence, as Wonko's resignation retroactively becomes legal. This does
lead to the odd state in which Rule 702 no longer exists, but 703 ("The
Other Exploitation") does still exist...

Naath judges CFI 727 (FALSE). This ruling is immediately appealed: Naath
(who is now a member of the Upper House), Glotmorf, and Baron von Skippy
are selected.

The Reality Police (from the Upper House) rules FALSE on CFI 688. This is
two votes for FALSE, which is a majority regardless of the third judge's
opinion (which will never happen, as e left the game). UIN suddenly
becomes a lot more sober.

If I've missed something, please let me know.

I want a raise.

...dave

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Subject: spoon-business: a request
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:52:20 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

nomic.net has been having problems delivering mail to a few other domains 
recently, and (with the help of one of the players' postmasters) I've 
determined that the problem is one with my secondary DNS.

Since the problem is basically uncorrectable, due to circumstances that my 
secondary cannot control, it seems that nomic.net is now in need of a new 
secondary DNS. I would use the one that my registrar provides, but I don't 
have just one registrar (I host two other domains), and I'd like to keep 
the number of entities I have to deal with when messing with DNS to a 
minimum.

So, the request: does anyone on the list run eir own DNS? If so, would you 
be willing to be a secondary for my three domains? (I'd be willing to 
reciprocate, in that case.)

Thanks!
-- 
J.

From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Friday afternoon)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:02:33 -0400
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This does lead to the odd state in which Rule 702 no longer exists, but 703 
("The Other Exploitation") does still exist...
...dave

OK...

{{ __Cleaning up Wonko's mess.__

Repeal rule 703.

}}

And about that raise...

{{ __A Raise for Mr. A__

In rule 396, change the first occurrence of the string "one" to "two" 
[[without quotes]].

}}

Aaahh... now I feel a bit better about my performance this nweek... thanks 
Dave.

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:35:09 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFI 727 Appeal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 5/24/02 at 9:05 AM Wonko wrote:

>Quoth Naath Thabana,
>
>> Statement: As of the time this CFI was issued, Iain
>> was not and had never been a member of M-Tek.
>> 
>> Defendant: Glotmorf
>> 
>> Analysis: 
>> 
>> Players may not change the gamestate unless a rule
>> explicitly permits them to. Iain's joining of M-Tek
>> was a change to the gamestate. Therefore, Iain could
>> not have joined M-Tek unless a rule permitted em to.
>> However, no rule permitted em to join.
>> 
>> Although M-Tek's Charter outlines methods for the
>> addition of players to M-Tek, the Charter only has the
>> force of rule for members of the club. Thus, unless
>> one is already a member of the club, one cannot join
>> the club. 
>> 
>> Judgement: 
>> False, Ian is a member of M-Tek.
>> 
>> Why:
>> Because he joined in the way prescribed by the M-Tek
>> charter.  There is no other rule saying that Ian may
>> *not* join M-Tek in this way
>
>I appeal this CFJ on the grounds that there is a rule saying that Iain may
>not join M-Tek in this way. It's the Default Case, which says that players
>may not change the gamestate.
>
>-- 
>Wonko

As a member of the Upper House, I rule FALSE on CFI 727.

For analysis I reiterate an earlier statement regarding this CFI:

The Default Case, Rule 393, says it defers to all other rules.

M-Tek was created via a Charter Prop.

Rule 631 says Charter Props create Clubs.

Rule 578 says a Club is a Society.

Rule 578 says entities may be members of Societies.

Iain, by accepting my invitation, declared emself to be a member of M-Tek.

Rule 631 says members of a Club must obey the rules stated in the Club's=
 Charter.

The Club Charter for M-Tek dictates the circumstances whereby a person can=
 become a member.

The circumstances under which Iain declared emself a member is consistent=
 with the circumstances outlined in the M-Tek Club Charter.

Therefore, Iain is obeying the rules in the M-Tek Club Charter that=
 determine whether or not e is a member.

Since Rule 393 defers to all other rules, it defers to Rules 578 and 631,=
 in conjunction with the M-Tek Charter.

I have said.

						Glotmorf

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFI  737
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:38:01 +0100
From: [email-masked]
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>CFJ 737/0
>CFI by The Reality Police

>Statement: There is a rule numbered 212 in the current ruleset. 
>Defendant: Baron von Skippy 
>Analysis: 
>Proosal 678 repealed rule 212. Proosal 678 was vetoed by the admin. 
>Rule 32 says that a proosal which is vetoed by the admin is "deemed to 
>have failed". However, the Admin did not veto p678 until he released 
>the voting results. P678 is considered to have passed "after the votes 
>on all proposals voted on during that voting period have been 
>counted", at which point its changes are applied. It's a little 
>ambiguous as to whether that is when they are platonically counted by 
>the rules, or mundanely counted by the Admin, but either way his veto 
>came afterwards. 
>Rule 32 does take precedence over rule 204, so it is possible for rule 
>32 to have retroactive effect. However, nowhere does rule 32 state 
>that it does so. Reversing the changes p678 made to r155 would be a 
>change to the rules, and thus by r11 can only be done if the rules 
>provide for doing so, which r32 does not do. 
>Therefore, although proosal 678 is deemed to have failed, the changes 
>it made to the rules (and, probably, gamestate, although that's not 
>needed for this CFJ to be FALSE, or important as it only created a 
>rule) have nonetheless taken place, and this CFJ is FALSE. 
>[[Yes, this won't please Dave, and it might well be better if this 
>were true. "Nonetheless, it still moves."]] 

Judgement: TRUE

Analysis:

{First, my assumptions: 
The CFI mentions a rule "numbered 212". I assume that this refers to 
the rule with serial number "212/1", i.e. the rule with "identification 
number"(per r5) 212, otherwise the CFI would be trivially false. 
We seem to have no definition of an "agent", so Im going to assume (as 
seems reasonable) that the admin is one.
Finally, I assume (for the purposes of this judgement only) that the 
admin counts the votes (as e does in fact do so), and further, that for 
the purposes of the game, the admin counts the votes in the message e 
sends to spoon-business (by r17: "Actions occur upon reaching the 
appropriate Fora").

Now, examining the analysis of the CFI:

r32 states:

"[The Administrator] may veto a proposal by stating that e does so on a 
public forum [then] the proposal is deemed to have failed." 

So the proposal is definitely "deemed to have failed" (so obviously has 
no current effect).

OTOH, r32 earlier says that

"If and only if the proposal passed, its actions (such as Rule Changes 
and other changes to the state of the game) are put into effect",

and the plaintiff argues that this means that the votes where counted, 
the proposal passed, it came in to effect (and repealed r212), the 
admin vetoed it, and was only then "deemed to have failed". Hence, 
because the veto hasnt the power to change the rules, nor 
to "grandfather" actions, the plaintiff argues that r212 has been, and 
remains, repealed.

However, the first paragraph of r32 states

"At the end of each voting period, after the votes on _all_ proposals 
voted on during that voting period have been counted, the proposals 
that have received a majority of affirmative votes out of all votes 
they received are deemed to have passed [emphasis added]", 

and so p678 could not have passed until the end of the _entire_ vote 
counting process.

Further, the veto happens in the middle of admins message, and hence 
(by my assumptions) occurred before the end of the vote counting (again 
by r17). Hence p678 was never "deemed to have passed", therefore it 
never had any effect In particular, it did not repeal r212. So, at the 
time of the CFI, such a rule existed.

It can of course argued that my assumptions are wrong, in particular 
that the votes are counted "platonically" by the game (which, again by 
r17, would have happened "exactly" at the end of the voting period, 
hence before the veto). However, as the plaintiff emself points out, 
this is not made clear by the rules. Then my argument above does not 
contradict the rule set, and I feel that it is in line with "spirit of 
the game" (r128).

So I judge this CFI TRUE.
}

cheers,
Iain,
who notes that reading B Nomic rules doesnt count as revision for 
finals...

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To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Club Stuff
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 00:49:45 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
 __More Club Stuff__

 Add to rule 578 this para:

 {{
  It is legal for a player to join a Club, by saying in a public forum
that ey are doing so, so long as ey do not break any rules of the Club
by doing so.  The rules of club may define other ways of joining,
which are legal unless they would force any player to do anything
illegal.
 }}
}}

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: R F C
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 01:08:44 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 At the end of the third para of 692, before the period (`.'), insert
the text:

 {{
  , and will exist for ever, until it becomes a prop. or is canned
 }}

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Pestilence
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 01:14:49 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 I set my DimShip ball. to: 5 Activ., 75 Charm

 I set my DimShip bouy. to: 20 Score, 60 Entrop.

 I buy a Gun and Armor.

 WC.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Run
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 01:18:22 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I run to (2,10 + 1)

I take the ball of wax.

WC

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Actions
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 20:26:04 -0400
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I borrow 80 points from Luigi.
I build a DimShip.
I name my DimShip "PointGain"
I schedule my DimShip for launch at the end of the nweek.

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Last minute fixes (please let these be legal?)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 21:56:07 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
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I hope there's still time for these...

                                           BvS

In the proposal Healthy Competition, replace the text between the POIK 
delimiters to read:

__Overseas Gnomes__

There exists a game entity called the Gnome Account. Any member of vSOI may 
purchase a random Gnome for 2 points, or a specific Gnome for 4 points, from 
the vSOI Gnome Account. Any non-member player may purchase a random Gnome 
from the vSOI Gnome Account for 4 points, or a specific Gnome for 8 points. 
If at the end of any nweek there are more than 100 points in the Gnome 
Account, all points in the Gnome Account shall be removed from the Gnome 
Account, and each member of vSOI given G/M points, rounded down, where G is 
the number of points in the Gnome Account and M is the number of members of 
vSOI, with any remaining points being returned to the Gnome Account.

At the start of each nweek, each member of vSOI shall recieve one random 
Gnome, except the CEO of vSOI, who shall recieve two random Gnomes, or one 
specific Gnome, the type of which e must specify before the end of the 
previous nweek.

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From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Insta-ruling
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 22:11:11 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I create the following Insta-rule:

It is legal to take from Wonko gnomes

Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:24:12 -0400
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: CFI 727 Appeal
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quoth bd,

> On Friday 24 May 2002 11:12 pm, you wrote:
>> Ah. Then the fact that the LOOP Charter permits me to take points from the
>> Gremlin Fund also makes it legal, via the same logic, no?
>> 
>> <mrburns> Excellent. </mrburns>
> 
> And when my insta-rule goes thru, I'll be 2 gnomes richer...
> 
> Serves you right :)

Why me? BvS and WC both have more Gnomes then I do! ;)

Oh well, time to take evasive action.

If I have any Gnomes that are not in my Gnome Bag, I put all such Gnomes in
my Gnome Bag.
-- 
Wonko

Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:25:30 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Caving in to Peer Pressure
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, gosh, everyone else is doing it! ;)

I Insta-Rule that it is legal to enter (20,15).

Hey, why not?

-- 
Wonko

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Fwd: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: CFI 727 Appeal
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:32:10 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>On Friday 24 May 2002 11:12 pm, you wrote:
 >> Ah. Then the fact that the LOOP Charter permits me to take points from 
the
 >> Gremlin Fund also makes it legal, via the same logic, no?
 >>
 >> <mrburns> Excellent. </mrburns>
 >
 > And when my insta-rule goes thru, I'll be 2 gnomes richer...
 >
 > Serves you right :)

Why me? BvS and WC both have more Gnomes then I do! ;)

Oh well, time to take evasive action.

If I have any Gnomes that are not in my Gnome Bag, I put all such Gnomes in
my Gnome Bag.
--
Wonko

-I may have more Gnomes, but I think they're all bagged. If they aren't, I 
do as Wonko does and put all unbagged Gnomes into my Gnome Bag.-

                                           -BvS-

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Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 02:01:43 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Insta-Ministry -- Friday evening
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following insta-rules were recognized pending the end of nweek 16:

bd: It is legal to take from Wonko gnomes. 

Wonko: It is legal to enter grid location (20,15). 

The Insta-Ministry page, at=
 http://www.nomic.net/~dwhytock/instaministry.html, shows the current=
 insta-rules and insta-rulers.  Input forms will take a little longer, soon=
 as I throw together a password system.

I need to go do the family thang this weekend, so nothing more is going to=
 get recognized by me before Sunday night.

						Glotmorf
						Insta-Minister

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Pestilence 
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 14:09:48 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> On 5/25/02 at 12:20 PM Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> 
> >> Buying a Gun and Armor requires Landing.  Are you Landing?
> >
> > I can't see that in the rules...
> >
> > WC.
> 
> Sixth paragraph of r493: "DimShips can be landed at any time, and must be=
>  landed when adding equipment or conducting repairs."
> 
 So it does.

 It does not say in r635 that Guns and Arm. are `equipment' though.
Were I Wonk. I'd claim that this meant they wern't.

 As it is I just say:

 I do not Land.

 WC.

Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 14:36:07 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath=20Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: CFI 727 Appeal
To: [email-masked]
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 It's still FALSE.

For the same reason it was last time.

Naath
appealing to the same judge is a silly idea...

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Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 14:41:42 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath=20Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: judging
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<proposal>
add the following EEP deliminated text to the end of
rule 404

EEP
If the original judge of a CFI is a member of the
Upper House e may not be called on to judge the same
CFI as part of the Upper House
EEP
</proposal>
Naath

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Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 14:33:35 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Saturday morning)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Stuff that came in before the nweek 16 deadline:

"Cleaning up Wonko's mess." is 739/0.
"A Raise for Mr. A" is 740/0.

Glotmorf (from the Upper House) rules FALSE on CFI 727.

Iain rules TRUE on CFI 737.

"More Club Stuff" is 741/0.

Stuff that came in after the nweek 16 deadline:

Wild Card's revision of p692 is illegal. (Vote NO on 692! Please!)

Wild Card adjusts eir DimShip's heading, and loads up on Guns and Armour.
(By the way, since your chosen buoyancy raises your effective entropy,
you're now well into the 1-syllable range.)

Wild Card runs on the Grid and grabs the Ball of Wax (running right past
the radar blip in the process).

bd attempts a risky gambit, borrowing lots of points from Luigi to buy a
DimShip. The gambit fails, though -- even borrowing 80 points, e can't
afford a DimShip (the other 20 points e had at one time were from one of
the failed incarnations of the HOOP). bd, you may want to pay those points
back, unless you want a Broken Limb for no real benefit.

Baron von Skippy cannot revise "Healthy Competition".

Naath rules FALSE (again!) on CFI 727. That makes a 2/3 majority,
regardless of Baron von Skippy's opinion; thus the judgment is upheld.

"judging" (needs a better title, maybe?) is 742/0.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis, MO 63151
Vote NO on p692!  Please!  I'm overworked already...

Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 14:37:24 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: NWEEK 16 BALLOT
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following measures are on the ballot for nweek 16:

Proposal 691/0: Mentorship (Wild Card)
Proposal 692/0: Request for Comments (Wild Card)
Proposal 693/0: I can't do that! I love her! (Rob)
Proposal 694/0: Appeal to Overturn CFI 688 (The Administrator)
Proposal 695/1: Healthy Competition (Baron von Skippy)
Proposal 707/1: Time Freeze, my butt (The Voice)
Proposal 709/1: Delegation Means Delegation (Glotmorf)
Proposal 710/0: Sing When You're Winning (The Administrator)
Proposal 711/0: There's No Style In Deficit Spending (M-Tek)
Proposal 713/1: Club Clarification (Wild Card)
Proposal 714/1: Less is More - Grems. (Glotmorf)
Proposal 715/1: Neatening Up Gnomes (Wonko)
Proposal 716/0: The Second Mouse Gets The Cheese (Rob)
Proposal 717/0: Jumping through HOOPs (Wonko)
Proposal 718/0: Slime, Inflatable Women, etc. (Wonko)
Proposal 719/0: Violent green. (The Reality Police)
Proposal 720/0: interesting? (Naath)
Proposal 722/1: Nweek 16 Hole Plugs (Glotmorf)
Proposal 723/0: And the Children Shall Lead (Glotmorf)
Proposal 724/0: The Casino (bd)
Proposal 725/0: LOGAS cleanup (bd)
Proposal 726/0: Now you see me, now you don't! (The Voice)
Proposal 729/1: Exorcism of much evil (bd)
Proposal 730/0: Definitions (Wonko)
Proposal 731/0: Bandwidth Pools (Wonko)
Proposal 732/0: The PIG v2.0 (Wonko)
Proposal 733/0: Boxes (Wonko)
Proposal 734/0: Repeat as Needed (M-Tek)
Proposal 735/0: Stand Still! (Ed Murphy)
Proposal 736/0: Our physical shells are rotting. (The Reality Police)
Proposal 738/0: R-E-S-P-E-C-T (The Voice)
Proposal 739/0: Cleaning up Wonko's mess (The Voice)
Proposal 740/0: A Raise for Mr. A (The Voice)
Proposal 741/0: More Club Stuff (Wild Card)

Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 14:52:35 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: open CFIs
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I think this is everything that's "open" right now.

CFI 708: Assigned to Rob, Glotmorf, and The Voice (of the Upper House).
Glotmorf has ruled; Rob and The Voice have not. (Though it's probably safe
to assume that Rob's opinion will not change, I can't legally make that
assumption.)

CFI 712: Assigned to Rob, Glotmorf, and The Reality Police (of the Upper
House). No opinions rendered yet, as far as I'm aware.

CFI 728: Assigned to Rob (even though it's pretty much moot now).

As always, if I've missed something, lemme know. (Helpful Hint! When I'm
double-checking these things, I just grep the mail spool for stuff with
the number -- so if someone ruled on 712, but didn't use "712" anywhere
in that email, I'll probably overlook it.)

...dave

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Votes
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 16:05:47 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

PROP  VOTE  SCORE  COMM
691   YES   -
692   ABS   -      can't bring my self to vote no on my own
693   YES   -      seems right
694   YES   -      I think this will do nowt, but...
695   YES   -      sounds good
707   ABS   -      hmm...
709   YES   -      the hell yes. (want a ser. num. bot?)
710   YES   -      looks good
711   YES   -      <grin>
713   YES   -
714   YES   -      guess so
715   YES   -      this too
716   YES   -      Hmm...
717   NO    -      Scam?
718   YES   -      :)
719   ABS   -      Don't know.  Don't care
720   YES   -      Should only exist if 719's rule does.
722   YES   -      ...
723   YES   12     Not much use, but *shrug*
724   ABS   -      I'll not play in this game!
725   YES   -      
726   YES   -      :)
729   YES   -      Die!!!
730   YES   -      Sounds good
731   NO    -      Don't agree with way this is done
732   YES   -      Nice one
735   YES   -      Is right
736   NO    -      Not gen.
738   YES   -
739   YES   -
740   YES   -      Why not?
741   YES   -      :)

Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 16:42:29 +0100 (BST)
From: ID Scott <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: NWEEK 16 BALLOT (fwd)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Supposed to go to business, of course.

> 
> Proposal 691/0: Mentorship (Wild Card)

Abstain

> Proposal 692/0: Request for Comments (Wild Card)

No. Why?

> Proposal 693/0: I can't do that! I love her! (Rob)

Yes

> Proposal 694/0: Appeal to Overturn CFI 688 (The Administrator)

Yes. It apears from the website that the Upper house has already ruled
this to be false?

> Proposal 695/1: Healthy Competition (Baron von Skippy)

Abstain

> Proposal 707/1: Time Freeze, my butt (The Voice)

Abstain. Im not sure it works?

> Proposal 709/1: Delegation Means Delegation (Glotmorf)

Yes

> Proposal 710/0: Sing When You're Winning (The Administrator)

Yes

> Proposal 711/0: There's No Style In Deficit Spending (M-Tek)

Yes.

> Proposal 713/1: Club Clarification (Wild Card)

Yes

> Proposal 714/1: Less is More - Grems. (Glotmorf)

Yes

> Proposal 715/1: Neatening Up Gnomes (Wonko)

Yes

> Proposal 716/0: The Second Mouse Gets The Cheese (Rob)

Yes

> Proposal 717/0: Jumping through HOOPs (Wonko)

No

> Proposal 718/0: Slime, Inflatable Women, etc. (Wonko)

No

> Proposal 719/0: Violent green. (The Reality Police)

Abstain

> Proposal 720/0: interesting? (Naath)

Abstain

> Proposal 722/1: Nweek 16 Hole Plugs (Glotmorf)

Abstain
> Proposal 723/0: And the Children Shall Lead (Glotmorf)

No

> Proposal 724/0: The Casino (bd)

Yes

> Proposal 725/0: LOGAS cleanup (bd)

Yes

> Proposal 726/0: Now you see me, now you don't! (The Voice)

Yes

> Proposal 729/1: Exorcism of much evil (bd)

Yes

> Proposal 730/0: Definitions (Wonko)

Abstain

> Proposal 731/0: Bandwidth Pools (Wonko)

Abstain

> Proposal 732/0: The PIG v2.0 (Wonko)

Yes

> Proposal 733/0: Boxes (Wonko)

No

> Proposal 734/0: Repeat as Needed (M-Tek)

Yes 

> Proposal 735/0: Stand Still! (Ed Murphy)

Yes

> Proposal 736/0: Our physical shells are rotting. (The Reality Police)

No (What?)

> Proposal 738/0: R-E-S-P-E-C-T (The Voice)

YES!

> Proposal 739/0: Cleaning up Wonko's mess (The Voice)

Yes

> Proposal 740/0: A Raise for Mr. A (The Voice)

Yes
> Proposal 741/0: More Club Stuff (Wild Card)

Yes

cheers,
Iain 

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Saturday morning)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:50:15 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Saturday 25 May 2002 10:33 am, you wrote:
<snip>
> bd attempts a risky gambit, borrowing lots of points from Luigi to buy =
a
> DimShip. The gambit fails, though -- even borrowing 80 points, e can't
> afford a DimShip (the other 20 points e had at one time were from one o=
f
> the failed incarnations of the HOOP). bd, you may want to pay those poi=
nts
> back, unless you want a Broken Limb for no real benefit.

I give the Gremlin Fund 80 points.

From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: judgement
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:57:06 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

As a (former) member of the Upper House, I judge TRUE on CFI 708

Analysis: What Glotmorf Said (tm)

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: NWEEK 16 BALLOT
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 13:10:44 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Saturday 25 May 2002 10:37 am, you wrote:
> Proposal 691/0: Mentorship (Wild Card)
YES
> Proposal 692/0: Request for Comments (Wild Card)
NO {{Post in a private forum...}}
> Proposal 693/0: I can't do that! I love her! (Rob)
YES
> Proposal 694/0: Appeal to Overturn CFI 688 (The Administrator)
ABSTAIN {{Can't be bothered to look up the CFJ}}
> Proposal 695/1: Healthy Competition (Baron von Skippy)
YES
> Proposal 707/1: Time Freeze, my butt (The Voice)
YES
> Proposal 709/1: Delegation Means Delegation (Glotmorf)
YES
> Proposal 710/0: Sing When You're Winning (The Administrator)
YES
> Proposal 711/0: There's No Style In Deficit Spending (M-Tek)
YES
> Proposal 713/1: Club Clarification (Wild Card)
YES
> Proposal 714/1: Less is More - Grems. (Glotmorf)
YES
> Proposal 715/1: Neatening Up Gnomes (Wonko)
YES {{Hehe, what happens if both pass :) }}
> Proposal 716/0: The Second Mouse Gets The Cheese (Rob)
YES {{I haven't actually joined, according to some CFJ or other...}}
> Proposal 717/0: Jumping through HOOPs (Wonko)
YES {{Just in case}}
> Proposal 718/0: Slime, Inflatable Women, etc. (Wonko)
YES
> Proposal 719/0: Violent green. (The Reality Police)
YES
> Proposal 720/0: interesting? (Naath)
YES
> Proposal 722/1: Nweek 16 Hole Plugs (Glotmorf)
YES
> Proposal 723/0: And the Children Shall Lead (Glotmorf)
NO
> Proposal 724/0: The Casino (bd)
YES
> Proposal 725/0: LOGAS cleanup (bd)
YES
> Proposal 726/0: Now you see me, now you don't! (The Voice)
YES
> Proposal 729/1: Exorcism of much evil (bd)
YES
> Proposal 730/0: Definitions (Wonko)
YES
> Proposal 731/0: Bandwidth Pools (Wonko)
YES
> Proposal 732/0: The PIG v2.0 (Wonko)
YES
> Proposal 733/0: Boxes (Wonko)
YES {{Yay ponts!}}
> Proposal 734/0: Repeat as Needed (M-Tek)
YES
> Proposal 735/0: Stand Still! (Ed Murphy)
YES
> Proposal 736/0: Our physical shells are rotting. (The Reality Police)
NO
> Proposal 738/0: R-E-S-P-E-C-T (The Voice)
SHELVE {{Clarify it a bit...}}
> Proposal 739/0: Cleaning up Wonko's mess (The Voice)
YES
> Proposal 740/0: A Raise for Mr. A (The Voice)
YES
> Proposal 741/0: More Club Stuff (Wild Card)
YES

From: bd <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: NWEEK 16 BALLOT
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 13:45:15 -0400
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Saturday 25 May 2002 1:10 pm, you wrote:
<snip>

> > Proposal 738/0: R-E-S-P-E-C-T (The Voice)
>
> SHELVE {{Clarify it a bit...}}

Change that to YES.

Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 18:26:42 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ 728 judgment
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I judge TRUE on CFJ 728.
-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 19:08:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan Waldron <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: i'm Back
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If I am not still a player I declare myself to be a player named Dan.
If I am On Leave I take myself Off Leave

Dan Waldron
ICQ 57894467

Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 19:53:20 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Gnomes
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I take all Gnomes out of my Gnome Bag and drop them.

-- 
Wonko

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFI 727 Appeal
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 21:33:03 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I judge FALSE on CFI/J 727.

Analysis: What Naath said first time, and Wonko, stoppit. In general.

                                             BvS

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 04:54:11 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Saturday night)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

bd returns 80 points to The Gremlin Fund.

The Voice (formerly of the Upper House) rules TRUE on CFI 708.

Rob rules TRUE on CFI 728, which is a moot point really.

Wonko drops eir Gnomes. (Clever dodge, that.)

Baron von Skippy rules FALSE on CFI 727. That makes it unanimous.

Dan comes Off Leave. whee!

I'd like to encourage everyone to vote, since I think I've finally worked
out the last of the bugs in the vote-counting script, but I want more data
for testing. (And testing is always so much more fun with "live" data. :)

...dave

Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 09:32:32 -0400
Subject: Re: spoon-business: NWEEK 16 BALLOT
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quoth David E. Smith,

> The following measures are on the ballot for nweek 16:
> 
> Proposal 691/0: Mentorship (Wild Card)
Yes
> Proposal 692/0: Request for Comments (Wild Card)
No
> Proposal 693/0: I can't do that! I love her! (Rob)
Yes
> Proposal 694/0: Appeal to Overturn CFI 688 (The Administrator)
No (overturn again?)
> Proposal 695/1: Healthy Competition (Baron von Skippy)
Yes
> Proposal 707/1: Time Freeze, my butt (The Voice)
No (What's the point of turning off the Clock, then?)
> Proposal 709/1: Delegation Means Delegation (Glotmorf)
Yes
> Proposal 710/0: Sing When You're Winning (The Administrator)
No (Didn't WC say something about once getting an infinite number of wins?
With this prop, that would stop the game, and invoke r0)
> Proposal 711/0: There's No Style In Deficit Spending (M-Tek)
Yes
> Proposal 713/1: Club Clarification (Wild Card)
Yes (though I still think Clubs should be clearer... Define Charters,
maybe?)
> Proposal 714/1: Less is More - Grems. (Glotmorf)
Yes
> Proposal 715/1: Neatening Up Gnomes (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 716/0: The Second Mouse Gets The Cheese (Rob)
No (This basically amounts to 'Wonko loses 30 points'. I think that's highly
unfair and very much against the spirit of the game.)
> Proposal 717/0: Jumping through HOOPs (Wonko)
No
> Proposal 718/0: Slime, Inflatable Women, etc. (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 719/0: Violent green. (The Reality Police)
Yes
> Proposal 720/0: interesting? (Naath)
Abstain
> Proposal 722/1: Nweek 16 Hole Plugs (Glotmorf)
Abstain
> Proposal 723/0: And the Children Shall Lead (Glotmorf)
No (There's no point...?)
> Proposal 724/0: The Casino (bd)
Abstain (I doubt this will actually be used)
> Proposal 725/0: LOGAS cleanup (bd)
Yes
> Proposal 726/0: Now you see me, now you don't! (The Voice)
Yes
> Proposal 729/1: Exorcism of much evil (bd)
No (impossible action - no such agency)
> Proposal 730/0: Definitions (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 731/0: Bandwidth Pools (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 732/0: The PIG v2.0 (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 733/0: Boxes (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 734/0: Repeat as Needed (M-Tek)
Yes
> Proposal 735/0: Stand Still! (Ed Murphy)
Yes
> Proposal 736/0: Our physical shells are rotting. (The Reality Police)
No. Because I don't like Microsoft. They blew up my computer.
> Proposal 738/0: R-E-S-P-E-C-T (The Voice)
Yes
> Proposal 739/0: Cleaning up Wonko's mess (The Voice)
Yes
> Proposal 740/0: A Raise for Mr. A (The Voice)
Yes
> Proposal 741/0: More Club Stuff (Wild Card)
Yes (rectify, maybe? 'ey'?)
> 

-- 
Wonko

Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 13:08:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan Waldron <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Votes
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Here are my votes.  With some changes to confuse your script.

691/0 YES
692/0 NO (why not just send it to the disc. list?)
693/0 YES
694/0 AYE
695/1 NO
707/1 NO
709/1 Fix it first. (I  don't like a public forum that might not work with
all players' computer equipment.  I might support this if we provided a
list of viewers with which the script must be compatible to be considered
a public forum.)
710/0 YES
711/0 Affirmitave
713/1 Yeah
714/1 Nice
715/1 YES
716/1 Yuck
717/0 Can it
718/0 YES
719/0 Over My Dead Body!
720/0 NO
722/1 AFFIRMITAVE
723/0 NO 
724/0 YES
725/0 Thanks but no thanks
726/0 AFFIRMITAVE
729/1 AFFIRMITAVE
730/0 I don't think so
731/0 NO
732/0 AFFIRMITAVE
733/0 YES
734/0 NO
735/0 YES
736/0 NO
737/0 YES
739/0 YES
740/0 YES
741/0 YES

Dan Waldron
ICQ 57894467

Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 20:38:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan Waldron <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Votes
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I tried sending this earlier but I haven't recieved it back yet.

Here are my votes.  With some changes to confuse your script.

691/0 YES
692/0 NO (why not just send it to the disc. list?)
693/0 YES
694/0 AYE
695/1 NO
707/1 NO
709/1 Fix it first. (I  don't like a public forum that might not work with
all players' computer equipment.  I might support this if we provided a
list of viewers with which the script must be compatible to be considered
a public forum.)
710/0 YES
711/0 Affirmitave
713/1 Yeah
714/1 Nice
715/1 YES
716/1 Yuck
717/0 Can it
718/0 YES
719/0 Over My Dead Body!
720/0 NO
722/1 AFFIRMITAVE
723/0 NO 
724/0 YES
725/0 Thanks but no thanks
726/0 AFFIRMITAVE
729/1 AFFIRMITAVE
730/0 I don't think so
731/0 NO
732/0 AFFIRMITAVE
733/0 YES
734/0 NO
735/0 YES
736/0 NO
737/0 YES
739/0 YES
740/0 YES
741/0 YES

Dan Waldron
ICQ 57894467

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The first non-Nomic-related e-mail over this forum... Whee.
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 23:53:04 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Not Nomic-related, and thus far, far more important than anything ever 
written here. Here's the lowdown:

I was notified from one of the people in my address book of a virus e had 
contracted:  Sure enough my address book was infected, which means yours 
will be also.  I have the fix below.

According to the contact who alerted me, er very updated McAfee virus 
checker did not catch it, nor did my Norton. The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) 
is not deleted by Norton or McAfee Anti-virus systems.
The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging the system.  It's sent 
automatically by the messenger and by the Address Book, whether or not you 
sent emails to your contacts. I have checked, found it, and deleted it.

Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it:

DO THIS:
1.  Go to Start, Find, or Search option
2.  In the files/folder option, write the name jdbgmgr.exe
3.  Be sure you search your "C" drive
4.  Click "find now"
5.  The virus has a teddy bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe
DO NOT OPEN IT!
6.  Right click and delete it.  It will then go to the Recycle Bin
7.  Go to the Recycle bin and delete it there as well.
IMPORTANT
If you find the virus, you must contact all the people in your address book 
so they can eradicate it in their own address books. Gosh, this is exciting- 
there's no fix, just a repair. Remember to follow the above steps for a 
long, long time, as I'm sure this thing will ricochet around ad infinitum... 
If I find the creator, I will make er life very, very painful- I will force 
em to read and write an analysis of evre spoon-discuss message that is sent, 
until this game folds, at which point, I'll start em over with the first 
messages... Muahaha.

                                            Cheers,
                                              BvS

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 03:42:26 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: NWEEK 16 BALLOT
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>The following measures are on the ballot for nweek 16:
>
>Proposal 691/0: Mentorship (Wild Card)
Yes.

>Proposal 692/0: Request for Comments (Wild Card)
Shelve.  If this gets shelved, package it with a Ministry of RFCs?

>Proposal 693/0: I can't do that! I love her! (Rob)
Yes.

>Proposal 694/0: Appeal to Overturn CFI 688 (The Administrator)
No.  It's FALSE right now. :)

>Proposal 695/1: Healthy Competition (Baron von Skippy)
Yes.

>Proposal 707/1: Time Freeze, my butt (The Voice)
Yes.  The reason for the Clock being off is to not lose any Clock-on time=
 should the end of nweek processing take an extraordinarily long time=
 (like, you know, if we all submit five a la carte props each...).  In the=
 meantime, though, we might as well queue actions in the order we dream=
 them up.

>Proposal 709/1: Delegation Means Delegation (Glotmorf)
Yes. Note that we can have more than one public forum, and that I didn't=
 say the use of the "software system" could be made mandatory.

>Proposal 710/0: Sing When You're Winning (The Administrator)
Yes.

>Proposal 711/0: There's No Style In Deficit Spending (M-Tek)
Yes.

>Proposal 713/1: Club Clarification (Wild Card)
Yes.

>Proposal 714/1: Less is More - Grems. (Glotmorf)
Yes.

>Proposal 715/1: Neatening Up Gnomes (Wonko)
Yes.

>Proposal 716/0: The Second Mouse Gets The Cheese (Rob)
Yes. Okay, this week my vote's free.

>Proposal 717/0: Jumping through HOOPs (Wonko)
No.

>Proposal 718/0: Slime, Inflatable Women, etc. (Wonko)
Yes.

>Proposal 719/0: Violent green. (The Reality Police)
No.

>Proposal 720/0: interesting? (Naath)
No.

>Proposal 722/1: Nweek 16 Hole Plugs (Glotmorf)
Yes.

>Proposal 723/0: And the Children Shall Lead (Glotmorf)
Yes. Rated 15.

>Proposal 724/0: The Casino (bd)
Oh, sure.

>Proposal 725/0: LOGAS cleanup (bd)
Yes.

>Proposal 726/0: Now you see me, now you don't! (The Voice)
No.  Needs a Football provision.

>Proposal 729/1: Exorcism of much evil (bd)
No.  Already taken care of.

>Proposal 730/0: Definitions (Wonko)
No.  I counted something like 25 uses of "being", none of which were in the=
 place of a noun.  Just what typo are you looking to exploit, dude? :)

>Proposal 731/0: Bandwidth Pools (Wonko)
No.  All it's doing is sharing bandwidth, so there's better things=
 available.

>Proposal 732/0: The PIG v2.0 (Wonko)
Yes.  More dramatic and dynamic than simple expiration. [[ Note to Mr. A:=
 Will this be an Insta-Ministry thang too? ]]

>Proposal 733/0: Boxes (Wonko)
Yes.

>Proposal 734/0: Repeat as Needed (M-Tek)
Yes.

>Proposal 735/0: Stand Still! (Ed Murphy)
Abstain.  I still think this has a hole.

>Proposal 736/0: Our physical shells are rotting. (The Reality Police)
Yes.  If only because this doesn't stop me doing it on spoon-discuss...

>Proposal 738/0: R-E-S-P-E-C-T (The Voice)
Yes.

>Proposal 739/0: Cleaning up Wonko's mess (The Voice)
Yes.

>Proposal 740/0: A Raise for Mr. A (The Voice)
Yes.

>Proposal 741/0: More Club Stuff (Wild Card)
Yes.

						Glotmorf

Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 04:00:51 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Appeal of CFI 712
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 5/24/02 at 1:18 AM Ed Murphy wrote:

>I agree with Glotmorf's CFI (I believe it is or will be 728), which
>claims that the only ways to join the Holy Order of Points are the
>following ways from Proposal 676:
>
>     a) Be Wonko.  (Effective in making Wonko a member)
>     b) Vote for Proposal 676.  (Ineffective, due to Rule 155)
>     c) Be a new player, and declare joining.  (Has not taken effect;
>          none of the players claiming to join this way were new players)
>
>For this reason, I judge the statement of CFI 721:
>
>     "Wonko is the sole member of the Holy Order of Points."
>
>to be TRUE.
>
>I also appeal the judgment of CFI 712, whose statement (judged TRUE by
>The Reality Police) is:
>
>     "Glotmorf can't join the Holy order of Points.  There's nothing
>      in the club prop that says how you can join it, other than the
>      (illgal) method of joining by voting for it."
>
>Here is an excerpt from Proposal 676:
>
>     "New players may join by announcing eir intention to do so on a
>      Public Forum"
>
>The object of "join" in this excerpt is "the Holy Order of Points",
>and the object of "you" in the second sentence of CFJ 712's statement
>includes "new players", so the second sentence is false - making the
>entire statement false.
>
>
>-- 
>Ed Murphy <[email-masked]>          "I'm not sure I can go through
>http://members.fortunecity.com/emurphy/      with it.  Leave, I mean."

As a Member of the Upper House, I judge CFI 712 to be TRUE.

Analysis:

I find fault with the Appelant's reasoning regarding the word "you".  A CFI=
 is a game action, appearing on the public forum.  Game actions only apply=
 to current players.  Therefore, the use of the word "you" in the CFI, at=
 the time it was made, could only address current players, the logical=
 intended target of any game action that addresses the readership of the=
 public forum; had new players been targeted, the only legitimate way the=
 action could have done so was to address new players as "they".

Given "you" referred to players existing at that time, and given no new=
 players had joined the game since the formation of the HOoP, Plaintiff was=
 quite correct in stating there was nothing in the HOoP charter that said=
 how "you" could join.

I have said.

						Glotmorf

Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:24:54 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath=20Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: LOGAS additions
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<proposal>
add "Fake virus warnings" to the LOGAS
</proposal>

Naath

=====
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To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Re: spoon-discuss: Wild Card's votes 
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:34:56 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> On 5/25/02 at 4:05 PM Jonathan David Amery wrote: 
> Did you mean to not vote on proposals 733 and 734?

 Hmm, have not so I.  YES on both I vote.

 WC.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Prop.
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:46:23 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Prop:
{{ 
 __Let Adm. call elns when e wants__

 Add betw. {{try, }} and {{an El}} in 626 the text {{or if the
Adm. says there shall be one, }}.

 Make Wild Card the Min. of the Ord. Surv.
}}

Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:08:10 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Votes
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'll try the column thing too.

Num	Vote	Comments
---	----	--------
691	YES
692	NO
693	YES
694	NO
695	NO	Charter proposals must die.
707	YES
709	YES
710	YES
711	YES
713	YES	Still doesn't fix the fact that charter props are too
		damn powerful to pass with 1/3 votes, but it's a step in
		the right direction.

714	YES	Thank you.

715	YES	Thank you as well. This almost makes me feel guilty
		about The Second Mouse.

716	ABSTAIN	But not guilty enough to vote against it. Certainly the
		original intent has been lost, so now all it does is set
		Wonko back 60 points relative to the rest of the game.
		But this is going to pass, and he can afford it.

717	NO	This is wrong on so many levels.

718	YES	Except we need more good kinds of boxes, or people will
		be reluctant to find them.

719	NO	Uncle P's proposals always bother me.
720	NO	Free ticket to Limbo.
722	YES
723	NO	Nice story, but really useless.
724	SHELVE	33% house advantage? < 10% would be reasonable.
725	ABSTAIN	I remember that there was a point to the 'nday or', but
		can't at all remember what it was.

726	YES
729	YES
730	YES
731	NO
732	YES
733	YES
734	YES
735	YES
736	NO	And where the hell do you get those bizarre titles?
738	YES	Yay Ed.
739	YES
740	YES
741	NO	I will not have anything to do with joining Clubs until
		Charters are fixed.
-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:13:04 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Kick in the ass, a great big kick in the ass, dum dum dum doo.
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[ In order to ensure that this doesn't happen again... ]]

I propose:
{{ __snopes.com is your friend.__
Add "perpetuating an e-mail hoax" to the LOGAS.
}}

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 16:06:16 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Vote Changing
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I change my vote on prop. 707 (Time freeze, my butt) to YES.

-- 
Wonko

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 18:32:28 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Winning v2.0
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, I sent this once, but I didn't get it back... I'll try again.

I set my Dimship to 100 Score Buoyancy, 100 BAC Ballast.
I buy 5 new DimShips. [[Nowhere does it limit the number of DimShips players
may have :) ]]
I name my five new DimShips Entropy Ship 1, Entropy Ship 2, Entropy Ship 3,
Entropy Ship 4 and Entropy Ship 5, respectively.
If I still have a score of at least 100, I buy another DimShip, naming it
the Score Ship. [[I can't load Nomic.Net, so I don't know my Score]]
At the end of the nweek, I launch all five Entropy Ships at 100 Entropy
Buoyancy, no Ballast, and the Score Ship at 1 Entropy buoyancy, 99 Score
Buoyancy, no Ballast.

[[
Here's what I believe will happen:

At the end of the nweek, thanks to my Ships, Global Entropy hits 500.
The Grid ignites. Everything is swept off it.
Everyone gets 10 points and loses all Entropy.
Meanwhile, my DimShips stay at a total of 500 Entropy.
So it all happens again. And again. And again.

What happens next depends on what passes and what fails.
If the admin's 'Sing' proposal fails, then everyone keeps gaining 10 points
at a time until someone crosses 1000 (me). I get a win, and all scores
become zero. Everyone continues to gain 10 points at a time until someone
crosses 1000. I've got 199 DimShip Points, so I'll get there first (unless
I'm mistaken, and I'm not rich enough to buy the second Score Ship, in which
case anyone else who has 100 Score on eir Dimship comes with me) I win
again, scores are reset, scores rise again, etc. I get an infinite number of
wins.

If 'Sing' passes, and so does 'Time Freeze' (The Voice), then the Clock
stops after the first time I win, and I intend to shut off my Entropy Ships
during the Clock break, so all that happens is I Win.

The above is the most likely thing to happen, by my counts.

If 'Sing' passes, but 'Time Freeze' doesn't, then we get caught in an
infinite loop, as whenever the clock turns On I immediately win, and so the
Clock turns off again, and there's nothing anyone can do about it except
call in r0. But I think 'Freeze' has gotten more yes-votes than 'Sing' so
that's unlikely.

Now who's 60 points behind the rest of the game? ;)
]]

-- 
Wonko
wonders why e didn't do this earlier...

Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:15:40 -0400
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Votes
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quoth Rob Speer,

> Certainly the original intent has been lost, so now all it does is set Wonko
> back 60 points relative to the rest of the game. But this is going to pass,
> and he can afford it.

I set my Dimship to 100 Score Buoyancy, 100 BAC Ballast.
I buy 5 new DimShips. [[Nowhere does it limit the number of DimShips players
may have :) ]]
I name my five new DimShips Entropy Ship 1, Entropy Ship 2, Entropy Ship 3,
Entropy Ship 4 and Entropy Ship 5, respectively.
If I still have a score of at least 100, I buy another DimShip, naming it
the Score Ship. [[I can't load Nomic.Net, so I don't know my Score]]
At the end of the nweek, I launch all five Entropy Ships at 100 Entropy
Buoyancy, no Ballast, and the Score Ship at 1 Entropy buoyancy, 99 Score
Buoyancy, no Ballast.

[[
Here's what I believe will happen:

At the end of the nweek, thanks to my Ships, Global Entropy hits 500.
The Grid ignites. Everything is swept off it.
Everyone gets 10 points and loses all Entropy.
Meanwhile, my DimShips stay at a total of 500 Entropy.
So it all happens again. And again. And again.

What happens next depends on what passes and what fails.
If the admin's 'Sing' proposal fails, then everyone keeps gaining 10 points
at a time until someone crosses 1000 (me). I get a win, and all scores
become zero. Everyone continues to gain 10 points at a time until someone
crosses 1000. I've got 199 DimShip Points, so I'll get there first (unless
I'm mistaken, and I'm not rich enough to buy the second Score Ship, in which
case anyone else who has 100 Score on eir Dimship comes with me) I win
again, scores are reset, scores rise again, etc. I get an infinite number of
wins.

If 'Sing' passes, and so does 'Time Freeze' (The Voice), then the Clock
stops after the first time I win, and I intend to shut off my Entropy Ships
during the Clock break, so all that happens is I Win.

The above is the most likely thing to happen, by my counts.

If 'Sing' passes, but 'Time Freeze' doesn't, then we get caught in an
infinite loop, as whenever the clock turns On I immediately win, and so the
Clock turns off again, and there's nothing anyone can do about it except
call in r0. But I think 'Freeze' has gotten more yes-votes than 'Sing' so
that's unlikely.

Now who's 60 points behind the rest of the game? ;)
]]

-- 
Wonko
wonders why e didn't do this earlier...

Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:13:08 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Website
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ummm... As of earlier today, the website could not be accessed and the
mailing list did nothing... The mailing list is back, and the website can
now be accessed, but all it says is

Warning: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket
'/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111) in /home/g6/www/inc/dbcon.php on line 2
Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket
'/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111)

I get the distinct impression that all is not well... Am I correct?

-- 
Wonko

Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:27:49 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: DimShip action, pt. 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Immediately following the next launch of my dimship, I set my buoyancy to=
 10 respect and my ballast to 60 entropy.

I then shoot at Wonko.

						Glotmorf

Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:27:57 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: DimShip action, pt. 3
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Immediately at the beginning of the next nweek, I shoot Wonko again.

						Glotmorf

Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:28:04 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: DimShip action pt. 2
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I land my Ship.
I buy a Gun and Armr.
I launch my Ship this nweek.

'Morf

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: DimShip action, pt. 1 
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 00:22:18 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Immediately following the next launch of my dimship, 
> I then shoot at Wonko.

 I do this too.

 If a choice of ships I shoot the score ship.

 WC.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: DimShip action, pt. 3 
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 00:23:13 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Immediately at the beginning of the next nweek, I shoot Wonko again.

 I too. (score ship if can)

 WC.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Winning v2.0 
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 00:32:09 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> If 'Sing' passes, but 'Time Freeze' doesn't, then we get caught in an
> infinite loop, as whenever the clock turns On I immediately win, and so the
> Clock turns off again, and there's nothing anyone can do about it except
> call in r0. But I think 'Freeze' has gotten more yes-votes than 'Sing' so
> that's unlikely.

 If this right then I rec. a stat. of em. as per r0.

 WC.

Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:34:43 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Insta-Ministry -- end of nweek 16
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The Insta-Minister invoices the Administrator for six points, to reflect=
 the six Insta-Rules now in effect.

						Glotmorf
						Insta-Minister

Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 05:06:14 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: NWEEK 16 VOTING RESULTS
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Below are the voting results. Though posted to the -business list, they
wno't be official until all the other nweek-transition stuff is posted as
well, which will probably be within the hour.

Proposal 691/0 (Mentorship) (Wild Card):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
ABS: Iain
Counts: (8-0-1-0). Measure passes.
Created 746/0.
Wild Card scores 12 points.

Proposal 692/0 (Request for Comments) (Wild Card):
AFF: Naath
NEG: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Iain, Rob, Wonko
ABS: Wild Card
SHL: Glotmorf
Counts: (1-6-1-1). Measure fails.
Admin breathes a sigh of relief.
Wild Card loses 3 points.

Proposal 693/0 (I can't do that! I love her!) (Rob):
AFF: bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: Baron von Skippy
Counts: (8-1-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 356/3.
Rob scores 9 points.

Proposal 694/0 (Appeal to Overturn CFI 688) (The Administrator):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, Dan, Iain, Wild Card
NEG: Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, Wonko
ABS: bd
Counts: (4-4-1-0). Measure fails.
The Gremlin Fund loses 1 point.

Proposal 695/1 (Healthy Competition) (Baron von Skippy):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Naath, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: Dan, Rob
ABS: Iain
Counts: (6-2-1-0). Measure passes.
Created 747/0 (charter).
Created 748/0.
Created the Gnome Account (starting balance: 0 points)
Baron von Skippy scores 8 points.

Proposal 707/1 (Time Freeze, my butt) (The Voice):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, Wonko
NEG: Dan
ABS: Iain, Wild Card
Counts: (6-1-2-0). Measure passes.
Created 3/7.
The Voice scores 14 points.

Proposal 709/1 (Delegation Means Delegation) (Glotmorf):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
SHL: Dan
Counts: (8-0-0-1). Measure passes.
Created 125/1.
Glotmorf scores 11 points.

Proposal 710/0 (Sing When You're Winning) (The Administrator):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Rob, Wild Card
NEG: Wonko
Counts: (8-1-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 22/3.
Created 27/2.
Created 548/2.
The Gremlin Fund scores 11 points.

Proposal 711/0 (There's No Style In Deficit Spending) (M-Tek):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Iain, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: Naath
Counts: (8-1-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 344/1.
M-Tek scores 12 points (split evenly amongst its members).

Proposal 713/1 (Club Clarification) (Wild Card):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
Counts: (9-0-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 578/2.
Wild Card scores 10 points.

Proposal 714/1 (Less is More - Grems.) (Glotmorf):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Rob, Wild Card,
Wonko
Counts: (9-0-0-0). Measure passes.
Recreated 215/1.
Created 256/4.
Repealed a whole bunch of rules.
Glotmorf scores 10 points.

Proposal 715/1 (Neatening Up Gnomes) (Wonko):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
Counts: (9-0-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 441/2.
Repealed a bunch more rules.
Wonko scores 7 points.

Proposal 716/0 (The Second Mouse Gets The Cheese) (Rob):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Wild Card
NEG: Dan, Wonko
ABS: Rob
Counts: (6-2-1-0). Measure passes.
In the last incarnation of the Holy Order of Points, the only legal member
was Wonko, so only Wonko loses 30 points.
Everyone else scores 30 points.
This includes Rob, because of the order proposal actions take effect: as
of when the proposal was implemented, Rob had not yet scored any points
from the proposal.
Rob then scores 14 points.

Proposal 717/0 (Jumping through HOOPs) (Wonko):
AFF: bd
NEG: Baron von Skippy, Dan, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
Counts: (1-8-0-0). Measure fails.
Wonko loses 2 points.

Proposal 718/0 (Slime, Inflatable Women, etc.) (Wonko):
AFF: bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: Baron von Skippy, Iain
Counts: (7-2-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 749/0.
Created 750/0.
Created 751/0.
Wonko scores 11 points.

Proposal 719/0 (Violent green.) (The Reality Police):
AFF: bd, Naath, Wonko
NEG: Baron von Skippy, Dan, Glotmorf, Rob
ABS: Iain, Wild Card
Counts: (3-4-2-0). Measure fails.
The Reality Police loses 5 points.

Proposal 720/0 (interesting?) (Naath):
AFF: bd, Naath, Wild Card
NEG: Baron von Skippy, Dan, Glotmorf, Rob
ABS: Iain, Wonko
Counts: (3-4-2-0). Measure fails.
Naath loses 2 points.

Proposal 722/1 (Nweek 16 Hole Plugs) (Glotmorf):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, Wild Card
ABS: Iain, Wonko
Counts: (7-0-2-0). Measure passes.
Created 550/3.
Rule 575 does not exist; cannot revise.
Created 577/1.
Created 578/3.
Created 580/3.
Created 625/2.
Created 627/1.
Created 630/2. (If I overlooked any of the many small changes made, please
let me know.)
Created 631/2. (ditto)
Created 633/1.
Created 635/1.
Created 636/1.
Created Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.
Glotmorf scores 8 points.

Proposal 723/0 (And the Children Shall Lead) (Glotmorf):
AFF: Glotmorf (15), Naath, Wild Card (12)
NEG: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Iain, Rob, Wonko
Counts: (3-6-0-0). Measure fails.
Poor Barney...
Glotmorf loses 1 point.

Proposal 724/0 (The Casino) (bd):
AFF: bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Iain
NEG: Baron von Skippy, Naath
ABS: Wild Card, Wonko
SHL: Rob
Counts: (4-2-2-1). Measure passes.
Created The Casino.
Created 752/0.
bd scores 15 points.

Proposal 725/0 (LOGAS cleanup) (bd):
AFF: bd, Glotmorf, Iain, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: Baron von Skippy, Dan, Naath
ABS: Rob
Counts: (5-3-1-0). Measure passes.
Revised the LOGAS.
bd scores 11 points.

Proposal 726/0 (Now you see me, now you don't!) (The Voice):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Iain, Naath, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: Glotmorf
Counts: (8-1-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 705/1.
The Voice scores 9 points.

Proposal 729/1 (Exorcism of much evil) (bd):
AFF: bd, Dan, Iain, Naath, Rob, Wild Card
NEG: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Wonko
Counts: (6-3-0-0). Measure passes.
As the Holy Order of Points doesn't exist, this has no effect (aside from
making it wholly unambiguous as to whether it still exists).
bd scores 8 points.

Proposal 730/0 (Definitions) (Wonko):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Naath, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: Dan, Glotmorf
ABS: Iain
Counts: (6-2-1-0). Measure passes.
Created 13/2.
Wonko scores 11 points.

Proposal 731/0 (Bandwidth Pools) (Wonko):
AFF: bd, Wonko
NEG: Baron von Skippy, Dan, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, Wild Card
ABS: Iain
Counts: (2-6-1-0). Measure fails.
Wonko loses 3 points.

Proposal 732/0 (The PIG v2.0) (Wonko):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Rob, Wild Card,
Wonko
Counts: (9-0-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 753/0.
Created the PIG (and gave its leash to the Insta-Minister).
The PIG is Active by default, and will eat an Insta-Rule very soon.

Proposal 733/0 (Boxes) (Wonko):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Naath, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: Iain
Counts: (8-1-0-0). Measure passes.
Added ten Bonus Boxes to the Grid.
Gave each player 5 points.
Wonko scores 13 points.

Proposal 734/0 (Repeat as Needed) (M-Tek):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Iain, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: Dan, Naath
Counts: (7-2-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 437/2.
M-Tek scores 14 points (split evenly amongst its members).

Proposal 735/0 (Stand Still!) (Ed Murphy):
AFF: bd, Dan, Iain, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: Baron von Skippy, Naath
ABS: Glotmorf
Counts: (6-2-1-0). Measure passes.
Created 128/7.
Ed Murphy scores 11 points.

Proposal 736/0 (Our physical shells are rotting.) (The Reality Police):
AFF: Glotmorf, Naath
NEG: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Iain, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
Counts: (2-7-0-0). Measure fails.
The Reality Police loses 3 points.

Proposal 738/0 (R-E-S-P-E-C-T) (The Voice):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Rob, Wild Card, Wonko
Counts: (9-0-0-0). Measure passes.
Ed Murphy earns 1 point of Respect.
The Gremlin Fund scores 15 points.

Proposal 739/0 (Cleaning up Wonko's mess) (The Voice):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Rob, Wild Card,
Wonko
Counts: (9-0-0-0). Measure passes.
Repealed rule 703.
The Voice scores 14 points.

Proposal 740/0 (A Raise for Mr. A) (The Voice):
AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Rob, Wild Card,
Wonko
Counts: (9-0-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 396/2 (rectified: "two proposal" -> "two proposals")
The Voice scores 10 points.

Proposal 741/0 (More Club Stuff) (Wild Card):
AFF: bd, Dan, Glotmorf, Iain, Wild Card, Wonko
NEG: Baron von Skippy, Naath, Rob
Counts: (6-3-0-0). Measure passes.
Created 578/4.
Wild Card scores 17 points.

Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 05:44:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Tuesday morning)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following corrections are made to the voting results posted
previously:

Wonko didn't vote. E was cursed. Fortunately, the only issue affected by
eir votes is 694 (the appeal, under the old rules, of CFI 688), which was
probably illegal (due to how I phrased it) and is hereby vetoed in any
event (I think we've beaten this one into the ground, folks).

The following happens before the end of nweek 16:

Glotmorf (from the Upper House) rules TRUE on CFI 712.

Naath's "LOGAS addition" is 743/0.

The stunningly brief "Let Adm. call elns when e wants" is 744/0.

"snopes.com is your friend." is 745/0.

Wonko buys Entropy Ships One through Five inclusive. They will launch at
the end of the nweek. Under Rule 493, only one of those ships can affect
Wonko's virtual dimensions (*A* DimShip is capable of carrying a Player
through DimSpace -- emphasis added), so the other five will be sorta
floating in DimSpace unattended. (Fortunately, there's no legal mechanism
for piracy, so your ships are safe.)

Since actions must occur in the order they're posted, Glotmorf's first
attempt to shoot at Wonko's DimShip fails (at the time, e didn't have
either guns or armour, which e buys in eir second dimship message).

Glotmorf buys Guns and Armor. (The rules don't say you have to land to
have those installed, but Glotmorf does so anyway, presumably to make life
a bit easier on the repair crew. E does restore previous heading
immediately, though, so it doesn't matter much either way.)

Wild Card does in fact have Guns and Armor on eir DimShip, but isn't
within range of Wonko. (E didn't specify a legal backup target, since
there is no Score ship, just the five Entropy ships; and e didn't specify
a heading change in any event.)

Glotmorf and Wild Card both request to fire shots at the start of the next
nweek; I'll determine at that time whether those shots are legal.

Nweek 16 ends; the Clock is turned Off.

Votes are counted; the results are included herein by reference.

Rocky drops a Big Rock, with a Siren (Angela).

The Bandit Gremlin steals 7 points from Wonko and gives them to Yuki.

The Bowling Gremlin has an absolutely wretched frame, as two zeroes are
generated. E thus goes into Hiding.

The Insta-Minister receives 6 points.

Wonko's five unmanned DimShips launch.

Thus ends nweek 16...

During nweek 17:

The new Gremlin number is 6.

The Immunity Idol is awarded to The Voice.

The Token of Proposals cannot be awarded to The Voice (wielding the Idol);
it goes to Glotmorf.

A Ball of Wax drops onto the Grid.

The Yeti is still in Limbo.

The Gnome Factory spits up an Alien Gnome.

The Flaming Gremlin becomes Active, and Burns Glotmorf (effectively
cancelling out the effects of the Bandwidth Gremlin).

Curt and Rod move.

The Weather updates: the Temperature drops by a massive 1 degree.

There are several new Radar Blips on the Grid, from the ten new Bonus
Boxes created during Voting. Be sure to see if you could get freebies!

rachel is placed on Forced Leave.
Yuki falls victim to Garbage Collection.

Glotmorf and Wild Card cannot fire at Wonko's DimShip (the one with Wonko,
not the five Entropy Ships), as neither is in range.

The Clock is turned back On. Today is nweek 17, nday 1.

...dave

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Foot Ball
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:16:05 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I run to (2,8) and take the ball.

From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 07:31:15 -0500
Subject: RE: spoon-business: NWEEK 16 VOTING RESULTS
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Proposal 716/0 (The Second Mouse Gets The Cheese) (Rob):
> AFF: Baron von Skippy, bd, Glotmorf, Iain, Naath, Wild Card
> NEG: Dan, Wonko
> ABS: Rob
> Counts: (6-2-1-0). Measure passes.
>
I *buzz* give all my *buzz* pointth, one beer, and the thcarf to Wonko, for his thterling effortth to play nomic. *crackle*

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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:17:45 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Offer
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I offer to Wonko to buy two of eir DimShips, the Entropy Ship 4 and the=
 Entropy Ship 5, for 50 points each.

						Glotmorf

Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:45:12 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Insta-Ministry -- beginning of nweek 17
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The Pig is released, and narfs up the following Insta-Rule:

It is legal to enter grid location (2, 7).

						Glotmorf
						Insta-Minister

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: vSOI: Now Hiring
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:32:58 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, thank you to all who voted for vSOI (I pronounce it vee-soy, just to 
clarify, so people over entropy thresholds know what they're dealing with.), 
and now, it's time to put a few people into it, eh? Okay, then...

I make Glotmorf a member of vSOI.
I make The Voice a member of vSOI.
I make Wonko a member of vSOI.

I laugh evilly.

Anyone else who wishes to join need only ask, and it will be taken into 
consideration... Bribes are also welcomed.

I pay 8 points to the Gnome Account for a Water Gnome and an Earth Gnome, 
which I then squeeze in that order over the square I am currently standing 
on.

                                       Cheers,
                                         BvS

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To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFI
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 23:11:55 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

CFI:
{{
 Wonk. has won the game since the start of nw16.

 Def.: Wonk.
}}

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Moves
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:27:30 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I move to (8,16)

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: After the moves
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:27:54 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

After my 'Moves' message is recognized, I pick up the Air Gnome.

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Insta-rule
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:41:44 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I create the following insta-ruling:

It is legal to take from players gnomes.

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:23:26 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Create a proposal consisting of the following text:
{{
__Land first!__

Add the following text to the end of rule 635:

[[
Guns and Armor may be added to a DimShip only if the DimShip is landed.
]]

}}

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Proposal
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:45:35 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tuesday 28 May 2002 8:23 pm, you wrote:
> Create a proposal consisting of the following text:
> {{
> __Land first!__
>
> Add the following text to the end of rule 635:
>
> [[
> Guns and Armor may be added to a DimShip only if the DimShip is landed.
> ]]
>
> }}

Replace that proposal with this text:
{{
__Land first!__

Add the following @@@ delimited text to the end of rule 635:

@@@
Guns and Armor may be added to a DimShip only if the DimShip is landed.
@@@

}}

Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:38:09 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Win?
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[ If my interpretation is right - that DimShips are displaced only when
Score is checked by some event - then I win with these actions. ]]

[[ I start with 494 points and gain 95 for each displacement. ]]
I give 5 points to the Gremlin Fund. [[ Score: 584 ]]
I give 5 points to the Gremlin Fund. [[ Score: 674 ]]
I give 5 points to the Gremlin Fund. [[ Score: 764 ]]
I give 5 points to the Gremlin Fund. [[ Score: 854 ]]
I give 5 points to the Gremlin Fund. [[ Score: 944 ]]
I give 5 points to the Gremlin Fund. [[ Score: 1034 ]]

[[ In case I added my displacements wrong in the other e-mail, I do it
twice more for good measure: ]]
I give 5 points to the Gremlin Fund.
I give 5 points to the Gremlin Fund.

I do a victory dance and thank Wonko for the inspiration.
-- 
Rob Speer

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: vSOI: Now Hiring
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:43:29 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'd like to join, I'll offer 5 points. :)

-If 5 points are taken from bd and transfered to me, I make bd a member of 
vSOI. Viva corruption!-

                                        -BvS-

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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:06:01 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Another method
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

By another interpretation, it could be decided that the DimShip only
displaces itself when its displacement changes. So I perform these
additional actions:

I set my DimShip's Style buoyancy to 0.
I set my DimShip's Score buoyancy to 96.
I set my DimShip's Score buoyancy to 97.
I set my DimShip's Score buoyancy to 98.
I set my DimShip's Score buoyancy to 99.
I set my DimShip's Score buoyancy to 98.
I set my DimShip's Score buoyancy to 99.
I set my DimShip's Score buoyancy to 100.
-- 
Rob Speer

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFIs: Nobody's won just yet
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:36:36 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[Okay, here are two CFIs, a nice little last-ditch thing. Perhaps not as 
well thought-out or stated as they could be, but...]]

CFI1:
Statement: Universal Entropy has not been pushed over 500 by Wonko's 
purchase of 5 DimShips and eir subsequent setting of said ships's Buoyancy 
to 100 entropy each.

Analysis: Rule 493 states the following: "A DimShip is capable of carrying a 
Player through DimSpace by taking on virtual dimensional values: Buoyancy 
(positive virtual value) and Ballast (negative virtual value)." Note the use 
of the word "a." Wonko can't be displaced by all 5 DimShips, and even if e 
could, e still wouldn't be at 500 entropy, because nowhere does it say that 
effects are cumulative.

Defendant: Wonko

CFI2:
Statement: No player has been awarded a Win based upon eir virtual 
dimensions as set by eir DimShips.

Analysis: Rule 493: "Ballast and Buoyancy are each limited to 100. Each can 
be set to as much as 100, even at the same time, for displacement in single 
or multiple dimensions. That is, no matter how many dimensions Ballast is 
gathered for, total Ballast must be less than or equal to 100; same with 
Buoyancy." Regardless of updates to eir dimensions, players are not awarded 
higher or lower points, entropy, or any dimension past the values set by eir 
virtual dimensions, that is, changing the value of one's score Buoyancy does 
not change one's actual score, because only "Rules that change the values of 
dimensions, though, will change eir real dimensions." (Rule 493 again) 
Therefore, no one's dimensions are changed by eir DimShips any further from 
eir actual dimensions than the Buoyancy and Ballast of eir Dimships.

Defendant: Rob

[[Gah.]]

                                               Cheers,
                                                 BvS

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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 04:32:57 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: my head hurts.
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The only official action in this email: I'm declaring a one-day Writ of
Delay so we can try to sort things out. It may, or may not, be extended.

I'm tempted to suggest that someone declare a DimShip-related Emergency,
but I don't want to resort to that, at least not yet.

Random points to ponder, most of which have already been pondered but I
want 'em all in one place, mostly so I can work 'em all out in my head...

* In my mind, common sense would dictate that a player can only be on one
DimShip at a time (i.e. only one DimShip can modify a player's virtual
dimension values).

* Though a very spurious argument, the rules all refer to DimShips in the
singular, at least where it relates to that point.

* Based upon that assumption, at least, Wonko's gambit fails miserably.

* I don't even know what the hell Rob is smoking, or where he gets his
"every dim change causes the vdims to stack" bit. That's even more of a
stretch than Wonko's interpretation.

* As soon as I get round to assigning numbers for the (multiple)
outstanding CFJs relevant to the alleged Wins, I'd suggest the first judge
rule "UNDECIDED" immediately, then someone -- doesn't matter much whom --
can appeal that ruling. That way, this will all be sorted out collectively
(and via random judge assignment, to reduce the possibility of
Administrative bias). Something this big really needs to be handled as a
group consensus sorta thing. (Off the record: I hope UIN gets one of those
assignments, as I'm sure e'll have lots of fun with 'em.)

* Completely unrelated stuff: I don't think BvS can make others members of
vSOI, as this seems to be the sort of thing that would require the consent
of the enrolled player.

* I rather like Glotmorf's "instant paradox" interpretation of things.

...dave

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From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: vSOI
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:21:14 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

To make it official, I join vSOI as per the Baron's "invitation".  I also, 
against my better judgement, recognize a rule 0 emergency.

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:27:29 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ712 - true
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Assuming I can do so, I judge CFJ712 TRUE.
Analysis: I concur with Glotmorf and the original judge.

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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:31:36 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Never left the ground.
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I change my name to "Slumbering Giant 1".
I give my proxy to Wonko, with the restriction that he only use it to vote the way he thinks I'd want him to.
I briefly ponder whether I can do the above at the moment.
I go on Leave, with an expected return date of 20020619.

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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:56:21 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: General confusion
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Looking at the facts a bit more, I'll have to agree with Glotmorf's
interpretation.

The reasoning for my previous interpretation was that the DimShips would
always displace someone from what they saw as the real location, which
would be the virtual location; but rather than this happening an
infinite number of times instantly, it only happens when the rule takes
effect - when Dimensions are checked.

But that was based on the assumption that there's a way to determine
your real location the first time. There isn't. Any Dimensions which
have a displacement set are undefined.

For an example, my Score buoyancy is 100. So my score is N such that N +
100 = N. N is undefined.

This also screws everything up. I suggest that any dimension whose value
is undefined should work like this: if a rule tries to determine whether
something is true about that dimension, it should come out false, no
matter what. So, as an example:

Is my score higher than Wonko's? No.
Is my score lower than Wonko's? No.
Is my score equal to Wonko's? No.
[[ Sure, they are both undefined, but don't go trying to consider
numbers that don't exist equivalent. ]]
Is my score anything at all? No.

The undefined value also carries through in calculations, so Global
Entropy is also undefined (but it is not greater than 500).
-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:06:09 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Monkey Wrench in the Works
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I make this CFJ:
{{

The following quantities are undefined:
* Baron von Skippy's Charm, Score, Respect, and Entropy
* Glotmorf's Respect and Entropy
* Rob's Score and Style
* The Voice's Score, Style, and Entropy
* Wild Card's Activity, Charm, Score, and Entropy
* Wonko's Score, BAC, and Entropy
* Global Entropy

Any statement about the numeric values of any of the above made in the
past nweek is false.
}}
-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:34:41 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Insta-Ministry -- Wednesday afternoon
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In case anyone was wondering, I'm holding off on Insta-Ministry actions=
 until we decide what the rest of the game is doing.

I'm sure that's important news to all of you. :)

						Glotmorf

From: bd <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Let's get this to the right place, now.
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:18:23 -0400
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tuesday 28 May 2002 9:43 pm, you wrote:
> I'd like to join, I'll offer 5 points. :)
>
> -If 5 points are taken from bd and transfered to me, I make bd a member=
 of
> vSOI. Viva corruption!-

If the club charter for vSOI is interpreted to mean that vSOI (the club) =
may
not make proposals, but its members can, I give BvS 5 points and therefor=
e=20
join vSOI.

Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:44:21 -0400
Subject: spoon-business: Ships
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I *buzz* rec. a r0 state of *crack.* Em.

I think we *crack.* should make a refr. prop that *buzz* destr.s all Ships,
stops *crack.* us from mak'g new ones, and sets *buzz* each guy's dims to
what it says on the *crack.* site on the web.

[[We don't *crackle* know how many syllables we all can use, or whether
various dimensionally triggered events - such as the Entropy *crackle* Death
of the Nomiverse, and all it's *buzz* consequences - are happenening or
not... Basically, the Gamestate is unknowable. That's a crisis if I ever saw
one...]]

-- 
*buzz*Wonk.

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ships
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:58:15 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I recognise an r0 state of emergency. [[Follow-the-leader]]

I think we should explicitly state in the dimship rules whether we are=20
reffering to real or virtual dimensions, and allow a player to own a maxi=
mum=20
of one dimship at a time.

Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:12:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan Waldron <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following is a new proposal

{{
__Introducing Physical Law__

Give to the following Rules the designation "Physical Law"
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, 22, 153, 154, 205, 206, 207, 210,
213, 215, 216, 258, 259, 293, 295, 298, 301, 344, 346, 347, 349, 350, 351,
352, 353, 354, 355, 356, 394, 401, 405, 407, 408, 440, 441, 443, 466, 469,
493, 494, 495, 497, 498, 502, 503, 504, 546, 547, 549, 550, 577, 628, 635,
622, 696, 705, 748, 749, 750, 751, 752, 753.

Give to the following Rules the designation "Mutable Rule"
0, 9, 10, 14, 15, 18, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 32, 124,
125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 150, 151, 152, 155, 204, 208, 209, 211, 212, 214,
216, 217, 255, 257, 262, 263, 294, 300, 358, 393, 395, 396, 403, 404, 436,
437, 573, 578, 580, 625, 626, 627, 629, 630, 631, 633, 536, 697, 698, 699,
700, 701, 704, 706, 746.

Enact the following new rule and make it a "Physical Law" 
{{
__Rule Classes & Permissions__
There exist three types of rules: Physical Laws, Mutable Rules, and
Charter Rules.

Physical Laws take precedence over all other rules.  Mutable Rules take
precedence over Charter Rules.

All entities defined or regulated by the Physical Laws by obey the
Physical Laws.  An action is impossible if it is prohibited by the
Physical Laws.

Players, the Administrator, and any other self-willed entities are
required to obey the Mutable Rules. An action is illegal if it is
prohibited by the Mutable Rules.

Obeyance to the Physical Laws does not exempt an entity subject to the
Mutable Rules from any requirement in either body of rules.

Charter Rules are of lower precedence than Physical Laws or Mutable Rules.
Players are not required to obey Charter Rules except as specified in the
Mutable Rules.  Non-player entities are not required to obey the Charter
Rules.

}}

Revise rule 13 "Definitions" by revising it to read as follows: 
{{ 

A player is any entity who is capable of passing the Turing test, consents
to said designation as a player, has become a player in the manner
described in the rules, and who consents to be abide by the Mutable Rules.

A being is any entity which is either a Player or the Administrator. 

A Proposing Entity, or PE, is any entity which is capable of issuing a
Proposal. 

Beings may make changes to the rules and game state.  Non-beings may not.
}}

Duties of the Administrator - Mutable Rule
}}

Revise rule 21 "Score" by amending it to read as follows:
{{
Players may own points. The number of points in the posession of a player
shall be known as eir score. 

The owner of one or more points may transfer any or all points in eir
possession to another legal owner by posting to the public forum.  

Whenever a rule states that a player receives points, the number of points
in eir possession shall be increased accordingly; whenever a rule states
that a player loses points, the number of points in eir possession shall
be lowered accordingly, but it shall never become less than zero.

New players initially do not possess any points.
}}

Revise rule 25, "The Administrator" by amending it to read as follows: 
{{ 
The Administrator may make changes to the Rules and the Game State.  The
Administrator is subject to the Mutable Rules.
}}

Revise rule 10 by changing it to read as follows: 
{{ 
A player who refuses to obey the Rules is assumed to have withdrawn eir
consent.  E should be given a reasonable opportunity to correct eir
actions before this assumption is made.

If a player attempts to take an action that would violate the Rules the
Administrator or relevant minister shall refuse to recognize that action
unless the player specifically states that e is aware the action is
illegal but will attempt it anyway. 
}}

Enact the following new mutable rule:
{{
__Duties of the Administrator__

The Administrator is responsible for all game duties not assigned by the
Rules to other players.

The Administrator shall alter the rules and the game state only as
follows:

E shall update the game state to reflect actions legally taken and
rules-defined game events.

E shall create and distribute points when called upon to do so
by the Mutable Rules.

E shall alter the rules and game state as formally requested to do so by
players via procedures defined in the mutable rules.

If no players exist or it has become demonstrably impossible to make
changes to either the Physical Laws or the Mutable Rules e shall make such
changes to the rules and game state as are nescessary to ensure that
future play is possible.

}}

Enact the following new mutable rule:
{{ 
__Charter Rules__

[[This is an empty, placeholder rule]]

}}

Revise rule 32 by appending the following to the third paragraph:
{{
Unless specified otherwise in the proposal, any new rule created is a
Mutable Rule.
}}

Revise rule 14 by appending the following:
{{
Forfeiting is equivalent to withdrawal of consent.
}}

Revise rule 18 by replacing "Ruleset" with "Mutable Rules" in the first
paragraph.

Repeal rule 0
Repeal rule 33

Amend rule 152 by revising it to read as follows:
{{
Changes to the state of the game may only be made by an Action which is
permitted (elsewhere) by the Mutable Rules, or by the Administrator
performing eir duties.
}}

Amend rule 395 by deleting the first paragraph

Amend rule 154 by appending the following to the second paragraph:
{{
Players have an attribute named Respect.  Respect is a Dimension.
}}
}}

[[
To Do List:
I don't think any of these will bring the house down:

260/0 "Kick in the Ass" works but could be split and done more elegantly.
But then I suppose a kick in the ass is hardly an elegant thing.
]]

300 "Keywords" we ought to get rid of direct reference to the game state
in a high-level mutable rule.

344 "I've got the style it takes" could be split and done more elegantly.

502 "happy new nyear" could be cleaned up a bit and moved into the mutable
rules.

And of course charter rules still need to be done and linked in with
societies.

Dan Waldron ICQ 57894467

Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:37:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan Waldron <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: Crash Fix
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following is a proposal:
{{
__crash fix__

all DimShips cease to exist.

Amend rule 493 by enclosing its entire text in comment double-brackets.

Set player attributes according to the following table:
name                activity  charm   entropy respect  Score  Style
Baron von Skippy	4	7	20.5	0	100	0	
bd			2	3	5	0	69	0
bean			9	5	21	0	169	0
Dan			2	-3	10	0	177	0
Ed Murphy		-1	1	1	1	46	0
Glotmorf		14	31.5	43.5	0	434	28
Iain			0	2.5	11.5	0	107	0
Naath			5	-3	10.5	0	37	0
rachel			-2	0	0.5	0	40	0
Rob			7	2	16	1	199	-3
The Reality Police	1	-6	13.5	0	33	22
The Voice		12	29	35	0	285	0
Wild Card		7	11	28	0	86	2
Wonko			13	53	45	0	92	15

[[These are the attributes from www.nomic.net/~g6/static/roster.html]]

}}

Dan Waldron
ICQ 57894467

Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:50:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan Waldron <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: Declaration of Respect
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{__The Twilight of the DimShip__
For using the rules to advantage, and leading us all on a merry chase
through the hinterland of rule recirsivity, we respect Wonko.
}}

Dan Waldron
ICQ 57894467

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Re: spoon-discuss: Emergency queueing
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:56:00 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Wednesday 29 May 2002 7:40 pm, ID Scott wrote:
> I explicitly _dont_ recognise an emergency. We may not be entirely
> certain about the game state, but thats what CFIs are for. If (and only
> if) said CFIs determine Wonko's interpretaion of the rules to be correc=
t
> do we have anything aproaching an emergency...

Well, what are we waiting for?

I submit the following CFI:

{{
Glotmorf's entropy is infinite, thus locking the game into a state define=
d in=20
rule 440 as if universal entropy is always above maximum entropy.
}}

This should clear things up..

Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:57:04 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ships
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 5/29/02 at 6:44 PM Wonko wrote:

>I *buzz* rec. a r0 state of *crack.* Em.
>
>I think we *crack.* should make a refr. prop that *buzz* destr.s all=
 Ships,
>stops *crack.* us from mak'g new ones, and sets *buzz* each guy's dims to
>what it says on the *crack.* site on the web.
>
>[[We don't *crackle* know how many syllables we all can use, or whether
>various dimensionally triggered events - such as the Entropy *crackle*
>Death
>of the Nomiverse, and all it's *buzz* consequences - are happenening or
>not... Basically, the Gamestate is unknowable. That's a crisis if I ever
>saw
>one...]]
>
>-- 
>*buzz*Wonk.

I'm willing to recognize a state of emergency.

If a state of emergency is recognized, I'd say we can operate without the=
 usual format restrictions until the Clock comes back on.  That is, the=
 Scarf and Entropy won't apply.  We'll have to be able to express ourselves=
 after all.

						Glotmorf

Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:03:43 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Re: spoon-discuss: Emergency queueing
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 5/29/02 at 11:19 PM David E. Smith wrote:

>Okay, these are the players that are recognizing a State of Emergency at
>the present time:
>
>The Reality Police (who's been doing it for many nweeks now)
>The Voice
>Wonko
>bd
>
>Did I miss anyone?
>
>Rule Zero requires that eight people recognize an Emergency before said
>rule kicks in. In the meantime, I'll be attempting to recognize whatever I
>still can...
>
>...dave

Just to confirm: the Clock's off, thanks to the Writ of Delay, right?  So=
 no new business can come in?

						Glotmorf

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: vSOI: Now Hiring
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:12:19 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

If the club charter for vSOI is interpreted to mean that vSOI (the club) may 
not make proposals, but its members can, I give BvS 5 points and join vSOI.

-That's what is says. vSOI, as an entity, may not make proposals. It was an 
easy way to avoid all the legal headaches resulting from M-Tek props. Oh, 
and once I recieve 5 points from bd, I give 5 points to the Gnome account. 
(What goes around...)-

                                            -BvS-

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From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: WC and vSOI
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:41:38 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I make Wild Card a member of vSOI, or, if that isn't legal, I invite em in, 
in the belief that his pre-acceptance of my offer makes em a member. There, 
does that work?

                                                BvS

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Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 04:34:12 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (special ABSURD edition) (Wednesday night)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Given the direness of other things going on, I'm not sure why I'm even
bothering with some of this. But...

This edition of the Daily Recognizer is brought to you by Project Majestic
Mix (www.majesticmix.com). It's cool. Buy stuff.

The Clock turns back On, as the Writ of Delay expires. (Give or take five
minutes. Hopefully that can be forgiven.)

Baron von Skippy enrolled a number of people in vSOI without their
explicit consent; I believe that's illegal, and so it's not presently
acknowledged.

BvS buys Water and Earth Gnomes, and squeezes 'em. E is now standing in a
bunch of Mud.

Rob is randomly relocated on the Grid to (18,1). Eir Radar blips directly
to eir north.

Wonko is refunded the points e was erroneously charged for the failure of
a Charter Proposal (all 2 of 'em).

Whether Wonko was legally permitted to vote is, as was mentioned
previously, irrelevant, though for the record, I now believe eir votes did
in fact count.

bd moves on the Grid (assuming there still IS a grid...) and picks up an
Air Gnome.

Rob gave a total of 40 points to the Gremlin Fund. That's tax-deductible,
y'know...

The Reality Police (from the Upper House) rules TRUE on CFI 712. That's
2/3 and thus the verdict is upheld.

The Reality Police changes eir name (that's like the fifth or sixth name
e's had this game), gives full proxy rights to Wonko, and goes On Leave.

bd buys eir way into vSOI. (5 points transferred from bd to BvS)

The many CFIs filed relating to possible Wins... (aside: if this all comes
down to an Emergency, hopefully the Refresh proposals will include wiping
all these irrelevant CFIs from the books, or at least setting them all to
"REFUSED" or somethin'.)

* Wild Card's is 754, assigned to Naath.
* BvS's first is 756, assigned to Rob.
* eir second  is 757, assigned to Wonko.

(I *knew* that the ability to do arbitrary judge assignments would be
amusing. Well, *I* think it's funny.)

* Rob's "undefined" CFI is 758, assigned to Glotmorf. (rectified: "Global
  Entropy" -> "Universal Entropy")
* bd's "infinte entropy" CFI is 762, assigned to Ed Murphy.

And the silliness continues, here's proposals:

"Land First!" is 755/0 (rectified: I removed the comment delimiters,
because some rule allows me to make changes I believe express the player's
intent even if the player botches something as goofy as the delimiters)

I'm not sure this is the best time to be mucking about with such things,
but "Introducing Physical Law" is 759/0. (There's a spurious }} and a bit
of text in the middle that's begging to be deleted at some point.)

"crash fix" is 760/0.

"The Twilight of the DimShip" is 761/0.

...dave

Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 00:46:37 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFI 758 ruling
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Rob's statement in CFI 758:

The following quantities are undefined: 
* Baron von Skippy's Charm, Score, Respect, and Entropy
* Glotmorf's Respect and Entropy
* Rob's Score and Style
* The Voice's Score, Style, and Entropy
* Wild Card's Activity, Charm, Score, and Entropy
* Wonko's Score, BAC, and Entropy
* Universal Entropy
Any statement about the numeric values of any of the above made in the past=
 nweek is false. 

I judge this statement to be FALSE.

Analysis:

This statement is, unfortunately for its maker, too inclusive.  It includes=
 the recognition of the purchase of five DimShips by Wonko, which is a=
 statement by the Administrator acknowledging that at the time of purchase=
 Wonko had sufficient points to buy them.  I believe Wonko did in fact have=
 those points, and did in fact buy five DimShips.

I have said.

						Glotmorf

Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 05:01:53 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Other cleanup stuff...
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Baron von Skippy cannot transfer 5 points to the Gnome Account, as the
latter cannot legally accept them. BvS can either buy a couple Gnomes, or
transfer the points to the Gremlin Fund, if e wishes to just get rid of
them.

Wild Card joins vSOI.

Glotmorf rules on CFI 758 (FALSE).

...dave

Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 01:04:58 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Other cleanup stuff...
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 5/30/02 at 5:01 AM David E. Smith wrote:

>Baron von Skippy cannot transfer 5 points to the Gnome Account, as the
>latter cannot legally accept them. BvS can either buy a couple Gnomes, or
>transfer the points to the Gremlin Fund, if e wishes to just get rid of
>them.
>
>Wild Card joins vSOI.
>
>Glotmorf rules on CFI 758 (FALSE).
>
>...dave

Just to make it official...Yes, I asked to be a member of vSOI, and accept=
 the membership BvS has presented me.

						Glotmorf

Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 05:07:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Other cleanup stuff...
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 30 May 2002, Glotmorf wrote:

> Just to make it official...Yes, I asked to be a member of vSOI, and
> accept the membership BvS has presented me.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

...dave

Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 01:45:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan Waldron <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: revisions
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I revise proposal 755 by deleting two lines starting at "Duties of the
Administrator - Mutable Rule".

I revise proposal 761 by appending the following:
{{
Each player's score shall then be increased by 100 points for each DimShip
e posessed at the end of the most recent voting period.
}}

Dan Waldron
ICQ 57894467

Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 13:53:00 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath=20Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Emergency Emergency...
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I recognise a Rule 0 emergency...

Naath

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Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 14:55:58 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath=20Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: CFI 754
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Statement: Wonko has won the game since the start of
nweek 16. 

Judgement: Indeed e did.
Resoning: Dimships do not look at your dimensions
every second, they only look at your dimensions when
they establish you 'new' dimensions.  This means that
when you buy you first it look at your actuall
dimensions and adds whatever buyancy you selected to
these.  Then, a second dimship will look at you're
'new' dimensions when it goes to find your 'real'
dimensions. 

This does not mean you are in two places at once.
1) you never actually left where you started.
and 2) in any case this is like, if you had a car that
ran out of fuel after 20 miles, then you got another
car from there that went 20 miles and ran out of fuel
etc.

Yes Wonko did manage to increase his score beyond
1000, so he won.

So we can declared Wonko victorious in B-nomic. 
Ignore everything else that went on since and start
all over again.  I suggest calling it C-nomic.

Naath

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From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: cfi 724
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:44:19 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I appeal Naath's ruling on CFI 724.

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: proposal
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:07:28 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ __And The Lord Said You Gots Ta Rise Up-ah!__

This is an A La Carte proposal.

Item One:
{{
__Item One: Compensation__
Destroy all DimShips, giving each player who owned one 100 points for each 
DimShip destroyed in this manner.
}}

Item Two:
{{
__Item Two: Revenge__
Repeal all rules with the keyword, "DimShip".
Give Glotmorf 25 Points from the Gremlin Fund.
}}

}}

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Other cleanup stuff...
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:19:45 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Baron von Skippy cannot transfer 5 points to the Gnome Account, as the 
latter cannot legally accept them. BvS can either buy a couple Gnomes, or 
transfer the points to the Gremlin Fund, if e wishes to just get rid of 
them.
-Fine, be that way... Okay, I purchase two random Gnomes and, if it be 
legal, throw one of them to bd.-

Wild Card joins vSOI.
-So who is in it now? Just to make sure...

I invite Glotmorf, the Voice, and Wonko to join vSOI. Upon eir acceptance of 
my invite, they'll be members, yes?-

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From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: cfi 724
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:26:44 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: cfi 724
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:44:19 -0400

I appeal Naath's ruling on CFI 724.
-[[Perhaps you meant:]] I appeal Naath's ruling on CFI 754.-

                                 -BvS-

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From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:41:15 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I bag all three unbagged Gnomes I have.

                           BvS

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From: "The Voice" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: smack
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 14:48:16 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<humble>
Due to my apparent idocy, I recind my appeal of CFI 724.
</humble>

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-

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Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:24:26 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Well, if you insist...
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Why are so many people so insistent that DimShips are to blame for the=
 current situation?  After all, they can be fixed by changing or adding a=
 sentence or two.

But if people are quite sure that DimShips themselves caused the chaos...

CFI statement:

Glotmorf wins B-Nomic.

Analysis:

Glotmorf is responsible for the existence of DimShips.  The very first use=
 of a DimShip should have triggered a game-locking paradox.  Therefore,=
 Glotmorf has achieved a Suberian style Nomic win.

						Glotmorf

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Other cleanup stuff...
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 17:03:56 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thursday 30 May 2002 12:19 pm, Alex Truelsen wrote:
> Baron von Skippy cannot transfer 5 points to the Gnome Account, as the
> latter cannot legally accept them. BvS can either buy a couple Gnomes, =
or
> transfer the points to the Gremlin Fund, if e wishes to just get rid of
> them.
> -Fine, be that way... Okay, I purchase two random Gnomes and, if it be
> legal, throw one of them to bd.-

If a gnome has been thrown at me, I catch it.

From: bd <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Other cleanup stuff...
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 17:05:18 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thursday 30 May 2002 1:04 am, Glotmorf wrote:
> On 5/30/02 at 5:01 AM David E. Smith wrote:
> >Baron von Skippy cannot transfer 5 points to the Gnome Account, as the
> >latter cannot legally accept them. BvS can either buy a couple Gnomes,=
 or
> >transfer the points to the Gremlin Fund, if e wishes to just get rid o=
f
> >them.
> >
> >Wild Card joins vSOI.
> >
> >Glotmorf rules on CFI 758 (FALSE).
> >
> >...dave
>
> Just to make it official...Yes, I asked to be a member of vSOI, and acc=
ept
> the membership BvS has presented me.

As do I.

Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 17:32:54 -0400
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Other cleanup stuff...
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quoth B *buzz* v S,

> Baron von Skippy cannot transfer 5 points to the Gnome Account, as the
> latter *buzz* cannot legally accept them. BvS can either buy a couple Gnomes,
> or transfer the *crack.* points to the Gremlin Fund, if e *buzz* wishes to
> just  get rid of  them.
> -Fine, be *buzz* that way... Okay, I purchase two random Gnomes and, if it be
> legal, throw one of them to bd.-
> 
> Wild Card joins vSOI.
> -So who is in it now? Just to make sure...
> 
> I invite Glotmorf, the Voice, and Wonko to join vSOI.*buzz* Upon eir
> acceptance of my *crack.* invite, they'll be *crack.* members, yes?-

Hmmm... *buzz* I see no down side. But I do see the up *crack.* side. I
accept.[[quote from above *crackle* text, which is quote from BvS's msg]]

-- 
Wonk.
*crack.*

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Em.
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:41:33 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Since the clock does not work and has not done I rec. a stat. of em.

WC.

Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 02:55:35 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Hi! Bye!
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Since I am gone too long, and want to not be thrown from the game post- 
three weeks:

I go Off Leave.

I go On Leave.

Bean

Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:21:01 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Glotmorf's r0 proposal
Sender: [email-masked]
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Should it be determined that there is a r0 emergency:

{{ _Glotmorf's Refresh Proposal_

Change Rule 493 to read:

{{ _DimShips_

There exists a type of object called a Dimensions Ship, also known as a=
 DimShip. 

A DimShip is capable of carrying a Player through DimSpace by taking on=
 virtual dimensional values: Buoyancy (positive virtual value) and Ballast=
 (negative virtual value). A DimShip can take on Buoyancy or Ballast or a=
 combination of the two, in any Dimension or combination of Dimensions. 

A Player riding a DimShip does not travel to a specific location in=
 DimSpace; rather, e displaces emself from eir current DimSpace location.=
  A Player may only ride a single DimShip at a time; the virtual dimensions=
 it generates are based on the Player's real, unmodified dimensions.  A=
 DimShip that is not being ridden is considered to be displaced from the=
 Origin.

Ballast and Buoyancy are each limited to 100. Each can be set to as much as=
 100, even at the same time, for displacement in single or multiple=
 dimensions. That is, no matter how many dimensions Ballast is gathered=
 for, total Ballast must be less than or equal to 100; same with Buoyancy. 

The cost to produce a DimShip is 100 score. 

A DimShip, once built, can be launched, which puts it into active use. A=
 DimShip that has been launched can be landed, which takes it out of active=
 use. DimShips can be landed at any time, and must be landed when adding=
 equipment or conducting repairs. A DimShip is automatically landed when=
 its ballast and buoyancy limits are zero. DimShips can be launched at the=
 end of the nweek. 

If a player owns a DimShip and has launched it, then rules other than this=
 one that check eir dimension values will check the values of eir virtual=
 dimensions. Rules that change the values of dimensions, though, will=
 change eir real dimensions.

}}

In Rule 635, change "DimShips can have" to "DimShips can have Equipment=
 called".

Delete Proposals 755 and 760.  Release the bandwidth occupied by these=
 proposals to their proposers.

Delete CFIs 754, 756, 757, 758 and 762.

Give Wonko a point of Respect for eir efforts and sacrifice.

Give Glotmorf a point of Respect for cleaning the mess up.

Establish the game state as being what is declared on the Roster webpage as=
 of 30 May 2002.

Resume the game at Nweek 17, Nday 4.

}}

Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:22:25 -0400
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: Society redo
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Submitting this proposal for the earliest moment from now that the Clock is=
 on:

{{ _Less is More: Clubs_

Change the text of Rule 578 to the text marked at start and end with @@@.

@@@
There exist game entities called Societies, also known as Clubs.

A. Definition

A Society is a group of one or more entities known as Members of the=
 Society.  A Society may convey certain privileges, restrictions or=
 responsibilities to its Members, subject to the rules of the game.

B. Society Rules

A Society may have internal rules that are binding upon its Members.=
  Internal rules defer to game rules.

A Society's internal rules consist of public rules and private rules.=
  Public rules must be readable by all Players in the game, and are=
 enforcible at the game level.  Private rules are freeform; maintenance and=
 enforcement of private rules is the responsibility of the Members of the=
 Society.

A public rule can be a reference to a Standard Method.  A Standard Method=
 is a rule defined with this game rule that regulates a particular action.=
  A Standard Method is not an internal rule of a Society, and is not=
 binding upon a Society or its Members, unless a public rule of that=
 Society references it.  A Society's public rules can regulate actions over=
 and above what cited Standard Methods regulate, but those public rules=
 defer to game rules.

A Standard Method must be uniquely identified within this game rule, and=
 must be unambiguously referenced by a Society's public rule for it to be=
 binding.

C. Society Charter

A Society must have a Charter, which contains its public rules.  The=
 Charter is considered a game document, and is maintained by the=
 Administrator in a collection of Charters.

A Society's Charter can only be modified by the Society or its Members if=
 the Society has a public rule stating the method for doing so.

Standard Methods for Modifying a Society's Charter are:

C.1. Unanimous Consent

In the first half of a given nweek, a Member of the Society may propose a=
 modification to the Society's Charter on the public forum.  If all Members=
 of the Society then, in the same nweek as the modification was proposed,=
 state in the public forum that they agree to the modification, the=
 modification is applied to the Charter.

D. Membership

An entity can be a Member of one or more Societies.  A Society must have at=
 least one Member upon its creation; if a Society ever has no Members, it=
 ceases to exist.

D.1. Joining a Society

An entity may join a Society if the Society's public rules permit em to do=
 so.  If a Society's public rules provide a set of circumstances whereby an=
 entity may become a Member, those circumstances must be met before the=
 entity becomes a Member.

Membership in a Society is voluntary.  An entity is not required to become=
 a Member of a Society, and may refuse membership if offered or declared by=
 the Society by stating said refusal on a public forum.  However, once an=
 entity has been offered membership or has been declared a Member, and has=
 performed an action as a Member, e is considered to have joined the=
 Society, and its internal rules are binding upon em.

Standard Methods for Joining a Society are:

D.1.1. Open Enrollment

Any Player who is not a Member of the Society may issue a Request for=
 Admittance
(RFA) to the public forum. If a majority of the Members of the Society deny=
 the RFA within four ndays of its issuance, then the RFA is destroyed and=
 has no effect.
Otherwise, the Player who issued the RFA becomes a Member of the Society.

D.1.2. Closed Enrollment

Any Player who is not a Member of the Society may issue a Request for=
 Admittance
(RFA) to the public forum. If any Member of the Society denies the RFA=
 within four ndays of its issuance, then the RFA is destroyed and has no=
 effect. Otherwise, the Player who issued the RFA becomes a Member of the=
 Society.

D.1.3. Unanimous Invitation

A Member of the Society may extend an Invitation on the public forum to a=
 Player who is not a Member.  If all Members of the Society state their=
 agreement with the Invitation, and if the Player who is Invited states=
 that e accepts the Invitation, e becomes a Member of the Society.

D.2. Leaving a Society

Membership in a Society is voluntary.  An entity who is considered to have=
 joined a Society is not required to remain a Member.  A Society's public=
 rules may regulate the method for a Member to leave the Society, and said=
 method is binding upon the departing member, but it cannot prohibit=
 leaving the Society altogether.

Standard Methods for Leaving a Society are:

(none at this time)

D.3. Ousting a Member

A Society can Oust a Member (terminate said Member's membership; cause said=
 Member to cease to be a Member) if the Society's public rules state the=
 circumstances under which Ousting can happen.  Said circumstances may=
 include aspects of the gamestate, aspects of a Member, actions of Members,=
 or a combination of these.

Standard Methods for Ousting a Member are:

D.3.1. Open Ousting

Any Player who is a Member of the Society may issue a Writ of Exclusion=
 (WOE)
towards any other Member to the public forum. If a majority of the Members=
 of
the Society other than the target of the WOE deny the WOE within four ndays=
 of
its issuance, then the WOE is destroyed and has no effect. Otherwise, the
Member who was targeted by the WOE ceases to be a Member of the Society.=
 Such
Oustings take effect at the beginning of the next Voting Period.

D.3.2. Closed Ousting

Any Player who is a Member of the Society may issue a Writ of Exclusion=
 (WOE)
towards any other Member to the public forum. If any Member of the Society=
 other
than the target of the WOE denies the WOE within four ndays of its=
 issuance,
then the WOE is destroyed and has no effect. Otherwise, the Member who was
targeted by the WOE ceases to be a Member of the Society. Such evictions=
 take
effect at the beginning of the next Voting Period.

E. Resource Pools

A Society may have Pools of resources if the Society has a public rule or=
 rules declaring a Pool exists, and stating the methods for transferring=
 resources to and from the Pool.  For a Member to transfer resources to the=
 Pool, or for the Society to transfer resources from the Pool to a Member,=
 that Member must be able to transfer that type of resource to another=
 entity without restriction.

A Society does not begin with any resources in Pools.  However, resources=
 may be added to Pools or transferred into Pools by a proposal.

If a Society ceases to exist, any resources in the Society's Pools are=
 destroyed.

Standard Methods for Resource Pools are:

E.1. Score Pools

The Society can have a Pool of score points.  This method requires the=
 Society to have public rules stating under what circumstances score points=
 are transferred to and from the Pool.

E.2. Vote Pools

The Society can have a Pool of single-ballot-item proxy votes.  A proxy=
 vote in the Pool consists of the name of the Member in whose name the=
 proxy vote is cast.  A single proxy vote can only be used on a single=
 ballot item.  If a Pooled proxy vote is used, it overrides whatever vote=
 the Member emself cast on the ballot item the proxy vote is cast on.  This=
 method requires the Society to have public rules stating under what=
 circumstances proxy votes are transferred to and from the Pool.

F. Society Proposals (Chutzpah 2)

Societies can submit proposals to the game ballot just as Players can;=
 these are referred to as Society Proposals, or Club Props. If a Society=
 Proposal passes, the Members of the proposing Society each get the same=
 dimensional changes as a Player would, times (1/(number of Members in the=
 Society)), rounded up. All Members of a Society auto-vote "yes" on any=
 proposal the Society submits. 

If a rule restricts the existence or content of a proposal based on a=
 Player dimension, the most advantageous dimension of all Society members=
 with regards to that rule is used.

Proposals that a Society submits count as (1/(number of Members in the=
 Society)) proposals against each Member's bandwidth limit. 

For it to submit proposals, a Society must meet these standards: 

a.) The number of Players in the Society must be less than half the number=
 of Players in the game. 

b.) The rules that say how a Society decides to submit a proposal are=
 public rules. 

c.) Each Player in the Society must have (1/(number of Players in the=
 Society)) free in eir bandwidth limit for each Society proposal made. 

If a Player leaves a Society, and the Society made Society Proposals=
 earlier that same nweek while the Player was a Member, those Society=
 Proposals still count against the Player's Bandwidth, and the ballot=
 results of those Society Proposals will still affect the Player's Score,=
 Charm and Entropy. The Player will not, however, auto-vote Yes for the=
 Society Proposals. 

Standard Methods for Submitting Society Proposals are:

F.1. Open Proposing

In the first six ndays of an nweek, a Member of the Society may propose a=
 Society Proposal to the public forum.  If a majority of Members other than=
 the proposing Member deny the Society Proposal in the same nweek as the=
 proposal is proposed, the proposal is removed from the ballot and has no=
 effect.

F.2. Closed Proposing

In the first six ndays of an nweek, a Member of the Society may propose a=
 Society Proposal to the public forum.  If any Member other than the=
 proposing Member denies the Society Proposal in the same nweek as the=
 proposal is proposed, the proposal is removed from the ballot and has no=
 effect.

F.3. Unanimous Proposing

In the first six ndays of an nweek, a Member of the Society may propose a=
 Society Proposal to the public forum.  In the same nweek that the proposal=
 is proposed, all Members of the Society must agree to the proposal in the=
 public forum; otherwise the proposal is removed from the ballot and has no=
 effect.

G. Creating a Society

A Society may be created by a proposal, or by a Player action.

G.1. Creating a Society with a Proposal

A proposal may create a Society by stating the Society's Charter.  The=
 Charter must include either a list of the Society's initial Members, or=
 criteria for determining the Society's initial Members.  If the criteria=
 method is used, the criteria must cover at least one existing entity.

Any Player may, prior to passage of the proposal creating the Society,=
 refuse on the public forum to be an initial Member of the Society to be=
 created.  Said Player is removed from the initial Member list or barred=
 from the initial Member criteria.

If at the time of passage of the proposal the resulting Society would have=
 no Members, the Charter is discarded and the Society does not exist.

G.2. Creating a Society by a Player Action

A Player may, no more than once per nweek, in the first five ndays of an=
 nweek, declare a Society by stating eir intent to do so, along with the=
 Society's Charter.  

The Charter must include a list of the Society's initial Members.  Players=
 in the list other than the Player declaring the Society must state their=
 acceptance of membership into the Society in the same nweek as the=
 declaration, or will be dropped from the list of initial Members.

If, at the end of the nweek in which the Society was declared, a proposal=
 that nweek has barred it from existing, or the Society would have no=
 Members, the Charter is discarded and the Society does not exist.

H. Destroying a Society

A Society may be destroyed by a proposal, by the leaving or Ousting of all=
 its Members, or, if the Society has a public rule stating the method for=
 it, by the actions of its Members.  A destroyed Society's Charter is=
 discarded, and the Society ceases to exist.

If the proposal destroying the Society, or the Society's public rules for=
 the destruction of the Society, do not state how the Society's Pooled=
 resources are to be disposed of, they are destroyed.

If the proposal destroying the Society, or the Society's public rules for=
 the destruction of the Society, do not state that its proposed but=
 unimplemented Society Proposals remain on the ballot, the Society's=
 unimplemented Society Proposals are removed from the ballot and have no=
 effect.

Standard Methods for Destroying a Society are:

H.1. Unanimous Dissolution

Any time prior to the end of a nweek, a Member of the Society can declare=
 the Society's destruction on the public forum.  If all Members of the=
 Society agree to the destruction in the same nweek as the declaration, the=
 Society is immediately destroyed.
@@@

Repeal Rules 630 and 631.

Add to the Charter of each currently existing Society the text:

"This Society uses the Unanimous Consent Standard Method for Modifying its=
 Charter."

Give half the points earned by the passage of this proposal to Wonko, in=
 recognition of my shameless exploitation of eir Bandwidth Pools proposal.

}}

						Glotmorf