Subject: spoon-business: The People Have Spoken
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 02:08:56 -0500

Replace in its entirety the proposal entitled _They're not just cute and furry and aerodynamic..._ with the following:

{{ _Watch Your Step!_

Append to the end of Rule 394 the following text:

"If a Player is playing Football, and is in possession of the Football, and enters a Grid location containing a MO, there is a 25% chance that Player will Trip and Fall.  If e falls, there is a 50% chance e will Fumble the Football, and a 20% chance e will Fumble another object in eir possession, randomly selected.  Fumbled objects will, if at all possible, move to a Grid location adjacent to the Player's location; said location will be selected using a roll on a 1dN, where N is the sum of the following weights, for those locations available to movement:

- the location in the same direction as the Player's attempted movement: 3

- each of the locations on either side of the above: 2

- each of the remaining locations: 1

for a total of 10 if all adjacent locations are available.  The possible die values will be allocated to the locations based on their weight."

}}

From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: sushiied proposal
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:45:40 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{__ Roller Gremlin __

__ roller Gremlin __ after attaching as this subject, the new rule in the 
original which decides 0 limits which come create:

>From -0- that place as roller Gremlin the Gremlin which it knows it exists. 
Initially, the roller Gremlin of the each nweek to in the lattice which is Y 
value of 20 by the executive official is two things inside random square. 
The roller Gremlin will that time advances the fact that lower part the 
lattice it moves the inside random becoming popular. It is low but, the 
roller Gremlin in Y value 1 must be square, to have the square which is thin 
more the angle it it moves is inside. When square by the roller the Gremlin 
arriving in Y value of 1, the E is removed from the lattice. When the roller 
Gremlin, what kind of smallness, occupies the identical space with the big 
rock thing together, the big rock and Oh nothing well! I am destroyed to it. 
When the E occupies, the what kind of smallness, bow or the gremlin which 
the gremlin puts with the Limbo, or together the identical space with the 
bow thing. -0- it breaks, __ it attaches a Mommy title, poll my Idol's 
hereupon inside! _ _ And coming after more, transit: It adds the original 
which decides -0- limits which inside the 2nd paragraph to the roster come 
after as, amend the rule 293: The bow which has -0- Idol, the E not putting 
with the Limbo and kath 8) If occupies the roller Gremlin identical space. 
-0- and, amend __ as this Mommy, it attaches my Idol's subject which breaks, 
it will hold,! _ _ It transfers the first timeth word of the last paragraph 
to -0- where it comes after as, the original it decided a limit,: -0- inside 
the what kind of it creates -0-

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3) your you whom it does not manufacture did not read lastly of this roster 
and in order to manufacture the thing criticisming
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:41:34 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Friday evening)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Okay, here we go.

The Weather is as follows:

St. Louis, Lambert-St. Louis International Airport, MO, United States
(KSTL) 38-45-09N 090-22-25W 171M
Mar 01, 2002 - 05:53 PM EST / 2002.03.01 2253 UTC
Wind: from the SE (140 degrees) at 14 MPH (13 KT):0
Visibility: 10 mile(s):0
Sky conditions: overcast
Temperature: 46.0 F (7.8 C)
Dew Point: 21.9 F (-5.6 C)
Relative Humidity: 38%
Pressure (altimeter): 30.07 in. Hg (1018 hPa)

Yes, it's still above Freezing, so each of the spaces occupied by the Yeti
after e moves will change from Frozen to Wet pretty much instantly.

The Yeti moves thusly:
Starts at (14,13)
NE to 15,14
E to 16,14 (Hi, Scoff!)
W back to 15,14
NW to 14,15
N to 14,16
S back to 14,15
NE to 15,16
W to 14,16

I promise those numbers were random. Not at all part of a secret plan on
my part to reduce the number of Grid squares I have to edit. (Honestly,
they were random; the fact that only a few squares are "touched" is just a
happy coincidence.)

Unless someone has a convincing case to the contrary, I'm assuming that
the squares touched in this set of moves by The Yeti were frozen for such
a brief time that they don't become Brooks per 408/0.

Scoff is Wet until the end of the nweek. Hopefully it won't matter much
(unless someone starts setting Gremlins on fire again)...

Oh yeah. The PIG is Active again.

415 is revised with the following text (self-recognized as 415/1):

{{
Create a new rule:
{{

__Hiding Really Means Hiding__

A Gremlin which is Hiding has no location. It is not on the Grid, nor in
Limbo, nor in any other location that may exist. A Gremlin which goes into
Hiding for any reason is removed from whatever location it happens to
occupy at the time it goes into Hiding. Such Gremlins may not be used in
GremBall, and may not vote (if another rule specifies that a Gremlin may
vote, this rule takes precedence over that one). A Gremlin being carried
by another player is considered to occupy the location of that player. [[
but since this rule mainly deals with Hiding Gremlins, it shouldn't matter
much ]]

Gremlins which become Active after being in Hiding have a 50% chance of
entering Limbo, and a 50% chance of being placed on the Grid at a random
location determined by the Administrator, subject to other rules defining
location of objects on the Grid (i.e. a Gremlin can't appear in a location
occupied by a Big Rock, etc.).
}}
}}

"Do Gremlins Go To Heaven?" is 416/0.
"They're not just cute and furry and aerodynamic..." is 417/0 and a bad idea.
"Them's Good Eatin'" is 418/0 and a much better idea.

Scoff! awards the Scarf to Rob, who receives 7 Style Points and 2 Score
points.

412/1 is rectified (drid -> grid) and recognized.
412/2 is rectified (Administer -> Administrator) and recognized.
418/1 (the -1 Hunger revision) is recognized.

"There Was A Young Siren From Nantucket..." is 419/0 and darn funny.

Scoff! buys a Style Attribute (and a darn spiffy one at that) and a
Pinball Gun.

"Second Law of Thermodynamics" is rectified (I added linebreaks between
its conditions so it's a bit more readable) and recognized (420/0).

"No, YOU'RE A Blowhard!" is 421/0 (rectified as above).

The Voice joins Team Crimson. (The Voice's move is queued for the end of
the nweek, as is eir flight on Elbonian Airways.)

Rob's move is queued.

"Mommy, my Idol's broken!" is 422/0.
"Inaugural Declaration of Respect" is 423/0.

"They're everywhere too!" is 424/0.

"Football fixes" is 425/0.
"Only running is boring" is 426/0.
"Only running is boring II: Bean Boots Back!" is 427/0.

Darnit, I wanted the Gamestate to be Blue. Would anyone object to fuchsia?

Wonko's move is queued.
Baron von Skippy's move is queued.

Baron von Skippy has, perhaps, found a loophole in the Sushi. It's
subjective. At any rate, e gives said Sushi to The Voice.

"Nomic Revival" is 428/0 and gives me another way to declare that the
Gamestate is Blue. Heh.

The Voice can't grab the Yoyo Gremlin, since it is in Limbo. (I'm tempted
to rename Limbo to "The Astral Plane" to help emphasize the connection
that it's not easy to transfer from one to the other.)

"Watch Your Step" is 417/1 and much less painful than that whole gremlin
cloning thing (which aside from the annoyance to me, brings with it a
whole lot of religious and ethical issues)

I'm not going to recognize "Roller Gremlin" because officially I can only
recognize the version sent to the business list, and that version is utter
f'n gibberish. If I could legally do anything with the version on the
-discuss list I would, but I'm pretty sure I can't do so.

Holy cow. It's nday 8 now, and time for a ballot.

Don't let me take time off again, because I'll make slip-ups all over the
place.

And I'll fix the Proposals page soon -- looks like the greater-than stuff
in "Blowhard" shot the HTML all to fsck.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:53:12 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 8
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

For the time being, you still just email 'em in to me. If you're Sushi'ed
(ahem) remember that private email to me doesn't have to be run through
babelfish.

Proposal 387/0: Bean sucks, but Vows of Poverty don't (Bean)
Proposal 389/0: Let's Nip This In The Bud (Scoff!)
Proposal 390/0: You Can't Have Football Without Color Commentary (Scoff!)
Proposal 391/0: Fix The Haiku Bonus (Scoff!)
Proposal 392/0: Same As It Never Was (Rob)
Proposal 409/0: I Have Found The Solution! (Baron von Skippy)
Proposal 410/0: Another Way to Remove a Splinter (Baron von Skippy)
Proposal 411/1: The Gremlin Factory (Dan)
Proposal 412/2: Bribes for the Gremlin Game (Dan)
Proposal 413/0: Someday We'll All Look Back On This and Laugh Nervously (Rob)
Proposal 414/0: A Journey of a Thousand Words (Glotmorf)
Proposal 415/1: Hiding Really Means Hiding! (The Administrator)
Proposal 416/0: Do Gremlins Go To Heaven? (Glotmorf)
Proposal 417/1: Watch Your Step! (Glotmorf)
Proposal 418/1: Them's Good Eatin' (Glotmorf)
Proposal 419/0: There Was A Young Siren From Nantucket... (Scoff!)
Proposal 420/0: Second Law of Thermodynamics (The Voice)
Proposal 421/0: No, YOU'RE A Blowhard! (The Voice)
Proposal 422/0: Mommy, my Idol's broken! (The Voice)
Proposal 423/0: Inaugural Declaraion of Respect (The Voice)
Proposal 424/0: They're everwhere too! (Wonko)
Proposal 425/0: Football fixes (Bean)
Proposal 426/0: Only running is boring (Bean)
Proposal 427/0: Only running is boring II: Bean Boots Back (Bean)
Proposal 428/0: Nomic Revival (Rob)

...dave

Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 23:43:20 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Friday evening)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 3/2/02 at 12:41 AM David E. Smith wrote:

>Holy cow. It's nday 8 now, and time for a ballot.

It is?  I thought the Clock was turned on again on 2/22, which would mean nday 8 would begin on 3/2...?

						Glotmorf

Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 23:53:04 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Last minute revision: p414
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Amend p414 as follows:

Replace the text "earns its submitter 10 score" with "earns its submitter 10 score over and above anything else it may earn".

						Glotmorf

Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:15:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 8
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Proposal 411/1: The Gremlin Factory (Dan)

I object to this error in the ballot.  411 has been revised more than
once.
Dan

Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 00:34:59 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: One more sausage to cram into the can...
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _Izing on the Cake_

Create a new rule:

{{ _Izings_

Each object in the game that can be owned by a Player has an appropriate Izing attribute that is assigned to the Player upon ownership.  Once a Player has acquired the Izing for an object, upon losing ownership of that object, e cannot again own the object until the Izing has been removed from em.  If all Players have a particular Izing, that Izing is removed from all Players.

Izings for existing objects are as follows:

The Token of Proposals: Tokenized

The Immunity Idol: Idolized

The Pink Cashmere Scarf of Impeccable Style: Stylized

The Cursed Sushi of Babel: Babelized

[[ Sushi-ized just didn't do it for me.]]

}}

}}

Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:25:14 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Saturday morning)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm feeling really generous today, so I'm going to treat the following as
rectifications:

Glotmorf's "last minute revision" of 414/0
The Voice's "Thermodynomics" title fix
Dan's "zero-twenty" fix of 412/2

I looked through the mail folder and can't find any other revisions of
411 (i.e. to the best of my knowledge, 411/1 is the current number). If
I've missed something, forward me a copy of the email requesting the
original change (so I know what I'm looking for).

"Izing on the Cake" is 429/0, and will appear on the next ballot.

...dave

Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:48:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Saturday morning)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> 
> I looked through the mail folder and can't find any other revisions of
> 411 (i.e. to the best of my knowledge, 411/1 is the current number). If
> I've missed something, forward me a copy of the email requesting the
> original change (so I know what I'm looking for).

Sorry, my mistake.  I retract my objection.

Dan

Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:51:36 -0500
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Putting votes on the list now.
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

First of all, if my previous votes have been counted, I change my vote
on 412/2 to YES.

NO > Proposal 387/0: Bean sucks, but Vows of Poverty don't (Bean)
[[ I didn't like the idea of the Scoring Gremlin having limited money in
the first place, so I'd rather not have it become a significant part of
the game. ]]

 NO > Proposal 389/0: Let's Nip This In The Bud (Scoff!)
YES > Proposal 390/0: You Can't Have Football Without Color Commentary (Scoff!)
YES > Proposal 391/0: Fix The Haiku Bonus (Scoff!)
YES > Proposal 392/0: Same As It Never Was (Rob)
YES > Proposal 409/0: I Have Found The Solution! (Baron von Skippy)
YES only if 409 fails, NO otherwise > Proposal 410/0: Another Way to Remove a
                                      Splinter (Baron von Skippy)
ABSTAIN > Proposal 411/1: The Gremlin Factory (Dan)
YES > Proposal 412/2: Bribes for the Gremlin Game (Dan)

YES > Proposal 413/0: Someday We'll All Look Back On This and Laugh Nervously (Rob)
[[ Until this passes, be sure to scrutinize every statement Dave makes,
so that two weeks from then we don't have to pretend the game never made
any sense. ]]

YES > Proposal 414/0: A Journey of a Thousand Words (Glotmorf)
[[ After all that effort, I can't vote against it. ]]

YES > Proposal 415/1: Hiding Really Means Hiding! (The Administrator)
 NO > Proposal 416/0: Do Gremlins Go To Heaven? (Glotmorf)
[[ It doesn't work. The gremlin defining rules state with certainty that
'There exists a Gremlin named...', so anything which makes such a
Gremlin not exist would conflict. ]]

YES > Proposal 417/1: Watch Your Step! (Glotmorf)
 NO > Proposal 418/1: Them's Good Eatin' (Glotmorf)
 NO > Proposal 419/0: There Was A Young Siren From Nantucket... (Scoff!)
[[ They need a rock to sit on... ]]

YES > Proposal 420/0: Second Law of Thermodynamics (The Voice)
[[ I didn't like this at first, but now I find it strangely appealing.
]]

 NO > Proposal 421/0: No, YOU'RE A Blowhard! (The Voice)
YES > Proposal 422/0: Mommy, my Idol's broken! (The Voice)
YES > Proposal 423/0: Inaugural Declaraion of Respect (The Voice)
 NO > Proposal 424/0: They're everwhere too! (Wonko)
YES > Proposal 425/0: Football fixes (Bean)
YES > Proposal 426/0: Only running is boring (Bean)
YES > Proposal 427/0: Only running is boring II: Bean Boots Back (Bean)
YES > Proposal 428/0: Nomic Revival (Rob)
[[ Paradoxes aren't the only thing which kill a Nomic. If it takes too
long to get a proposal through, people will give up. This rule will
automatically discourage things like Quorum on A Nomic. ]]

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 17:48:46 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 2/14/2002 I objected to the Administrator's earlier statement that proposal 377 was on a ballot.  I contend that now, as per r129, the game state is altered to a state that doesn't include that statement, since it was objected to.

						Glotmorf

Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 18:36:18 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 8
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Proposal 387/0: Bean sucks, but Vows of Poverty don't (Bean)
No.  Since p379 didn't pass, this is now a do-nothing.

>Proposal 389/0: Let's Nip This In The Bud (Scoff!)
No.  Some people's signatures are generic, which means it's difficult to customize for B Nomic, and B Nomic shouldn't gratuitously limit freedom of expression.  Besides, if we ever get someone from the Vatican to join the game, e might not have any control over eir email signature. :)

>Proposal 390/0: You Can't Have Football Without Color Commentary (Scoff!)
Yes.

>Proposal 391/0: Fix The Haiku Bonus (Scoff!)
Yes.

>Proposal 392/0: Same As It Never Was (Rob)
Yes.  Just because.

>Proposal 409/0: I Have Found The Solution! (Baron von Skippy)
No.  It needs better wording: As it's written now, it will rewrite r259 to say, "For the purposes of the rules, and for all other purposes within the game, the term "proposal" shall be considered precisely equivalent to the far superior term "proposal"."  If "proposal" is precisely equivalent to "proposal", yet "proposal" is far superior to "proposal", this is a paradox.

Nice try, though.

>Proposal 410/0: Another Way to Remove a Splinter (Baron von Skippy)
Yes.  Hell, I'll even believe you were saying "niner".

>Proposal 411/1: The Gremlin Factory (Dan)
Yes, if p418 passes.  Otherwise, with no predator, they'll overpopulate.

>Proposal 412/2: Bribes for the Gremlin Game (Dan)
No.  Letting players essentially buy votes for their own proposals is a good way for a player to snowball to a win.

>Proposal 413/0: Someday We'll All Look Back On This and Laugh Nervously
>(Rob)
Yes.

>Proposal 414/0: A Journey of a Thousand Words (Glotmorf)
Yes.

>Proposal 415/1: Hiding Really Means Hiding! (The Administrator)
Yes.

>Proposal 416/0: Do Gremlins Go To Heaven? (Glotmorf)
Yes.

>Proposal 417/1: Watch Your Step! (Glotmorf)
Yes.

>Proposal 418/1: Them's Good Eatin' (Glotmorf)
Yes.

>Proposal 419/0: There Was A Young Siren From Nantucket... (Scoff!)
No.  Even if I favored disallowing sirens to be destroyed, this proposal creates an ambiguity, since it leaves a rock-sitting siren without a rock.

>Proposal 420/0: Second Law of Thermodynamics (The Voice)
Yes.  Though it needs work.  At the rate things happen around here, it'll trigger in 9-10 nweeks (which admittedly is a near-inconceivable time for me at Nomic pace), but that should be enough time to work out the bugs.

>Proposal 421/0: No, YOU'RE A Blowhard! (The Voice)
No.  There's nothing that says how the Wind is determined.

>Proposal 422/0: Mommy, my Idol's broken! (The Voice)
Yes.

>Proposal 423/0: Inaugural Declaraion of Respect (The Voice)
Abstain.

>Proposal 424/0: They're everwhere too! (Wonko)
Yes.  Bean Gnome sounds better than Bean Gremlin anyway.

>Proposal 425/0: Football fixes (Bean)
Yes.

>Proposal 426/0: Only running is boring (Bean)
No.  I'd like to see some Elbonian-style randomness in those forward passes.

>Proposal 427/0: Only running is boring II: Bean Boots Back (Bean)
Yes.

>Proposal 428/0: Nomic Revival (Rob)
No.  We can always call an Emergency, and this gives the Administrator too much power.

						Glotmorf

Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 19:37:27 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal - Radar
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__Blip...Blip...__

Create:
{{
__Radar__

Each player has an attribute called Radar. All players initially have a
Radar of 2. If a square containing a Shiny Thing or a Scary Dark Thing is
within x squares of a player, where x is that player's Radar, then the admin
shall reveal where the Shiny Thing or Scary Dark Thing is, but not what type
of Thing it is.
}}

}}

It makes me nervous knowing that there are land mines lying around for me to
step on... I'd feel better if I at least knew something was there.

--Wonko

"If you were plowing a field, which would you rather use? Two strong oxen or
1024 chickens?"
    - Seymour Cray (1925-1996), father of supercomputing

Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 19:38:14 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal - Dunking
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__The Dunking Booth__

Create:
{{
__The Target__

There exists an object called the Target. Whenever a player throws a Gremlin
into Limbo without throwing it at a player, 1d8 is rolled. If the roll is a
7, that Gremlin Hits the Target. When the Target is Hit, the player who
threw the Gremlin that Hit it gains 1 point, and a randomly selected player
or Gremlin which is in Limbo falls onto the Grid at a random legal location.
[[If nothing else is in Limbo when the Gremlin is thrown, the Gremlin falls
back.]]
}}
}}

--Wonko

"I would have made a good Pope. "
- Richard M. Nixon

Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 19:42:53 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: The Plague of Gremlins
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__They're Everywhere! Part 2__

Append to the rule entitled "Gremlins" the following WHEEE delimited text:
WHEEE
There exists an entity known as the Plague of Gremlins. All Gremlins are
considered to be part of the Plague of Gremlins. At the beginning of each
voting period, if all Gremlins are Hiding, all Gremlins become Active.
Otherwise, the following shall occur:
If the Gremlin number is greater than 62, the Plague of Gremlins votes No on
k randomly chosen proposals on the current Ballot, where k is the 8th
Gremlin number.
If the Gremlin number is less than 59, the Plague of Gremlins votes Yes on k
randomly chosen proposals on the current Ballot, where k is 9-(the 8th
Gremlin number).
If the Gremlin number is equal to 59, 60, 61, or 62, all Gremlins go into
Hiding, and may not become Active for at least 5 ndays.

This rule takes precedence over all rules which determine when Gremlins may
become Active.
WHEEE
}}

--Wonko

"Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't
cure. "
- Ross MacDonald

Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:55:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: CFJ
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Donald Whytock wrote:

> On 2/14/2002 I objected to the Administrator's earlier statement that
> proposal 377 was on a ballot.  I contend that now, as per r129, the
> game state is altered to a state that doesn't include that statement,
> since it was objected to.

Since r129 didn't exist in the current form at that time, I could
counter-contend that your statement cannot have an effect (since it would
be governed by the then-extant version of r129).

Failing that, though, per the current version of r129, "the usual methods
for determining the current rules and game state shall apply." And since
your subject contains the phrase "CFJ" I choose to believe that you do in
fact intend for your statement to be a CFJ.

So... CFJ 430, assigned to Iain.

...dave

Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 20:07:58 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Voting on the right list
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quoth David E. Smith,

> 
> Proposal 387/0: Bean sucks, but Vows of Poverty don't (Bean)
No (379 failed....)
> Proposal 389/0: Let's Nip This In The Bud (Scoff!)
No (I turned that off)
> Proposal 390/0: You Can't Have Football Without Color Commentary (Scoff!)
No (Nothing seems to be happening....)
> Proposal 391/0: Fix The Haiku Bonus (Scoff!)
Yes
> Proposal 392/0: Same As It Never Was (Rob)
Yes
> Proposal 409/0: I Have Found The Solution! (Baron von Skippy)
No (I like the 'flaming Gremlin named Bruce' better; Now we just need the
Flaming Gremlin)
> Proposal 410/0: Another Way to Remove a Splinter (Baron von Skippy)
No (Flaming Bruce again)
> Proposal 411/1: The Gremlin Factory (Dan)
No (resubmit it with Gnomes, maybe?)
> Proposal 412/2: Bribes for the Gremlin Game (Dan)
No (What stops me from buying enough Gremlins to pass a "Wonko recieves 1000
points" proposal?)
> Proposal 413/0: Someday We'll All Look Back On This and Laugh Nervously (Rob)
Yes
> Proposal 414/0: A Journey of a Thousand Words (Glotmorf)
Abstain  (I like the idea, but I'm hesitant to resign myself to reading
eight-page proposals...)
> Proposal 415/1: Hiding Really Means Hiding! (The Administrator)
Yes
> Proposal 416/0: Do Gremlins Go To Heaven? (Glotmorf)
No (won't work; "there exists a Gremlin" takes precedence over it)
> Proposal 417/1: Watch Your Step! (Glotmorf)
Abstain (I'm not sure if I understand it; I don't have time to calculate it;
I'll let everyone else decide for me)
> Proposal 418/1: Them's Good Eatin' (Glotmorf)
No
> Proposal 419/0: There Was A Young Siren From Nantucket... (Scoff!)
No (It would read: A Big Rock must be placed in a vacant location on the
Grid, no other object -- Players, Things, etc. -- can occupy that Grid
location, with the exception of a Siren.)
> Proposal 420/0: Second Law of Thermodynamics (The Voice)
Yes
> Proposal 421/0: No, YOU'RE A Blowhard! (The Voice)
Yes
> Proposal 422/0: Mommy, my Idol's broken! (The Voice)
Yes
> Proposal 423/0: Inaugural Declaraion of Respect (The Voice)
Yes
> Proposal 424/0: They're everwhere too! (Wonko)
Yes

> Proposal 425/0: Football fixes (Bean)
Abstain
> Proposal 426/0: Only running is boring (Bean)
Abstain
> Proposal 427/0: Only running is boring II: Bean Boots Back (Bean)
Abstain
{I'm still a little confused about Football in general. I'll let everyone
else decide for me until I'm sure I understand how it all works)

> Proposal 428/0: Nomic Revival (Rob)
No (emergency procedures take care of it)
> 

--Wonko

"Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't
cure. "
- Ross MacDonald

Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 20:11:53 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: proposal - Speed
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__Run, Run, As Fast As You Can! v2.0__

Amend rule 301 to replace the word 'nweek' in the last two paragraphs with
'Step', then insert the following paragraph between the third to last and
second to last paragraphs:

'The first 5 days of each nweek are designated as a Step. The last 5 ndays
of each nweek are designated as a Step.'
}}

--Wonko

"In the end, everything is a gag. "
- Charlie Chaplin

Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:22:16 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (sunday evening)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Wonko's proposals for next nweek are recognized:
"Blip... Blip..." is 431/0
"The Dunking Booth" is 432/0
"They're Everywhere! Part 2" is 433/0

And the old ugly "historical stuff" page is back, at least 'til I can
write a new one. It's better than nothing.

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 8
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 21:29:43 -0500
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Proposal 387/0: Bean sucks, but Vows of Poverty don't (Bean) - No
Proposal 389/0: Let's Nip This In The Bud (Scoff!) - Yes
-Thank you.-
Proposal 390/0: You Can't Have Football Without Color Commentary (Scoff!) - 
Yes
-This'll be so stupid... Isn't it wonderful?-
Proposal 391/0: Fix The Haiku Bonus (Scoff!) - Yes
Proposal 392/0: Same As It Never Was (Rob) - No
-I have plans for flaming things. Sorry.-
Proposal 409/0: I Have Found The Solution! (Baron von Skippy) - Yes
-*shrug* I don't think it really dos anything at the moment, but I'm not 
losing myself any points for it.-
Proposal 410/0: Another Way to Remove a Splinter (Baron von Skippy) - Yes
Proposal 411/1: The Gremlin Factory (Dan) - No
Proposal 412/2: Bribes for the Gremlin Game (Dan) - Yes
-Hey, it levels the playing field if all you people with points spend them 
massively...-
Proposal 413/0: Someday We'll All Look Back On This and Laugh Nervously 
(Rob) - Yes
Proposal 414/0: A Journey of a Thousand Words (Glotmorf) - Yes
-I don't care what it does, but you deserve the points for effort...-
Proposal 415/1: Hiding Really Means Hiding! (The Administrator) - Yes
Proposal 416/0: Do Gremlins Go To Heaven? (Glotmorf) - Yes
Proposal 417/1: Watch Your Step! (Glotmorf) - Yes
Proposal 418/1: Them's Good Eatin' (Glotmorf) - No
Proposal 419/0: There Was A Young Siren From Nantucket... (Scoff!) - No
Proposal 420/0: Second Law of Thermodynomics (The Voice) - Yes
-Ooh, complex, but there are possibilities here. You like stopping the 
clock, don't you, Voice?-
Proposal 421/0: No, YOU'RE A Blowhard! (The Voice) - No
Proposal 422/0: Mommy, my Idol's broken! (The Voice) - Yes
-Yeeha.-
Proposal 423/0: Inaugural Declaraion of Respect (The Voice) - Yes
-Teacher told me to respect everyone. I figure I should start sometime...-
Proposal 424/0: They're everwhere too! (Wonko) - Yes
-I sense that this will get very strange very fast.-
Proposal 425/0: Football fixes (Bean) - Abstain
Proposal 426/0: Only running is boring (Bean) - Abstain
Proposal 427/0: Only running is boring II: Bean Boots Back (Bean) - Abstain
Proposal 428/0: Nomic Revival (Rob) - Yes
-Good to have a safety net.-

                                          -Cheers,-
                                            -BvS-

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Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 22:50:59 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 8
Sender: [email-masked]
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On 3/4/02 at 1:03 AM David E. Smith wrote:

>On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Donald Whytock wrote:
>
>> >Proposal 411/1: The Gremlin Factory (Dan)
>> Yes, if p418 passes.  Otherwise, with no predator, they'll overpopulate.
>
>I can't accept a conditional vote like this, since I'm obliged to count
>votes for each proposal in the order in which they appear on the ballot.
>
>You may want to make this a more definite vote. (Since it starts with
>"yes" I'm counting it as such unless/until asked to do otherwise.)
>
>...dave

In that case, change my vote on p411 to No.  I'd want to be sure there was a way of destroying Gremlins before I agreed to mass-producing them.

						Glotmorf

From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: sushi
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 22:42:30 -0500
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Reply-To: [email-masked]

I give the sushi to the Scoff,!

-acoustic

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From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: roller gremlin
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 22:47:59 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ __Roller Gremlin__

Create a new rule entitled __The Roller Gremlin__ with the following
-0-delimited text:

-0-
There exists a Gremlin known as the Roller Gremlin.  At the beginning of
each nweek, the Roller Gremlin will be placed by the Administrator in a
random square on the Grid which has a y value of 20.  The Roller Gremlin
will then proceed to move down the Grid in a random fashion.  However, each
move that the Roller Gremlin takes must be to a square with a y value 1
lower than the square it is in.  When the Roller Gremlin reaches a square
with a y value of 1, e is removed from the Grid.  If the Roller Gremlin, at
any point, would occupy the same space as a Big Rock, the Big Rock and
anything on it is destroyed.  If e, at any point, occupies the same space as
a player or gremlin, that player or gremlin is placed into Limbo.
-0-

If rule 293/1 exists,

{{
Amend rule 293 by adding the following -0- delimited text to the list in the 
second paragraph:

-0-
8)If the Roller Gremlin occupies the same space as the player who owns the
Idol, e is not placed into Limbo.
-0-

And by replacing the first word in the second paragraph with the following 
-00- delimited text:

-00-
Any proposal which creates
-00-
}}

}}

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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 23:14:17 -0500
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 8
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On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 06:36:18PM -0500, Donald Whytock wrote:
> >Proposal 387/0: Bean sucks, but Vows of Poverty don't (Bean)
> No.  Since p379 didn't pass, this is now a do-nothing.

Ah, good point. I change my vote on 387/0 to NO.
-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:06:13 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: I'm movin'
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm going to contend that The Voice *can* fly Elbonian this week, and run 
to (13, 11).

Bean

Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:56:15 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: My votes for nweek 8
Sender: [email-masked]
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In consideration of my recent commentary regarding my CFJ, I state my votes as follows:

I vote No on Proposal 387.

I vote No on Proposal 389.

I vote Yes on Proposal 390.

I vote Yes on Proposal 391.

I vote Yes on Proposal 392.

I vote No on Proposal 409.

I vote Yes on Proposal 410.

I vote No on Proposal 411.

I vote No on Proposal 412.

I vote Yes on Proposal 413.

I vote Yes on Proposal 414.

I vote Yes on Proposal 415.

I vote Yes on Proposal 416.

I vote Yes on Proposal 417.

I vote Yes on Proposal 418.

I vote No on Proposal 419.

I vote Yes on Proposal 420.

I vote No on Proposal 421.  I acknowledge the possibility that Characteristics are game entities, and that Wind is one such, but the proposal as it's currently written doesn't allow for the edge of the Grid.

I vote Yes on Proposal 422.

I Abstain on Proposal 423.

I vote Yes on Proposal 424.

I vote Yes on Proposal 425.

I vote No on Proposal 426.

I vote Yes on Proposal 427.

I vote No on Proposal 428.

						Glotmorf

Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 02:16:24 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: grid action
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I pick up the Witch Gremlin and throw it at Iain, just to make sure e's awake.

						Glotmorf

From: "ID Scott, Science 99" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: grid action
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:51:30 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Sender: [email-masked]
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Awake? Me? Rarely. However, I will catch said Gremlin, and throw it 
back to Glortmorf.

And I promise to rule on your CFJ just as soon as I get my brain around 
all your various briefs, counter briefs and arguments which are not at 
all brief, but actually rather long. 

cheers,
Iain

On Mon, 04 Mar 2002 02:16:24 -0500 Donald Whytock 
<[email-masked]> wrote:

> I pick up the Witch Gremlin and throw it at Iain, just to make sure e's awake.
> 
> 						Glotmorf
> 
> 

Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 06:47:16 -0600
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 8
Sender: [email-masked]
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NO > Proposal 387/0: Bean sucks, but Vows of Poverty don't (Bean)

NO > Proposal 389/0: Let's Nip This In The Bud (Scoff!)

YES > Proposal 390/0: You Can't Have Football Without Color Commentary
(Scoff!)

YES > Proposal 391/0: Fix The Haiku Bonus (Scoff!)

NO > Proposal 392/0: Same As It Never Was (Rob)

NO > Proposal 409/0: I Have Found The Solution! (Baron von Skippy)

YES > Proposal 410/0: Another Way to Remove a Splinter (Baron von Skippy)

NO > Proposal 411/1: The Gremlin Factory (Dan)

ABSTAIN > Proposal 412/2: Bribes for the Gremlin Game (Dan)

YES > Proposal 413/0: Someday We'll All Look Back On This and Laugh
Nervously (Rob)

YES > Proposal 414/0: A Journey of a Thousand Words (Glotmorf)

YES > Proposal 415/1: Hiding Really Means Hiding! (The Administrator)

YES > Proposal 416/0: Do Gremlins Go To Heaven? (Glotmorf)

ABSTAIN > Proposal 417/1: Watch Your Step! (Glotmorf)

YES > Proposal 418/1: Them's Good Eatin' (Glotmorf)

YES > Proposal 419/0: There Was A Young Siren From Nantucket... (Scoff!)

YES > Proposal 420/0: Second Law of Thermodynamics (The Voice)

ABSTAIN > Proposal 421/0: No, YOU'RE A Blowhard! (The Voice)

ABSTAIN > Proposal 422/0: Mommy, my Idol's broken! (The Voice)

YES > Proposal 423/0: Inaugural Declaraion of Respect (The Voice)

YES > Proposal 424/0: They're everwhere too! (Wonko)

ABSTAIN > Proposal 425/0: Football fixes (Bean)

ABSTAIN > Proposal 426/0: Only running is boring (Bean)

ABSTAIN > Proposal 427/0: Only running is boring II: Bean Boots Back (Bean)

ABSTAIN > Proposal 428/0: Nomic Revival (Rob)

-Congenital Optimist
(who has also been totally buried by real-life work, as eir list silence
and number of abstentions indicates...)

Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:44:24 +0000 (GMT)
From: ID Scott <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 8
Sender: [email-masked]
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> Proposal 387/0: Bean sucks, but Vows of Poverty don't (Bean)
NO

> Proposal 389/0: Let's Nip This In The Bud (Scoff!)
NO

> Proposal 390/0: You Can't Have Football Without Color Commentary (Scoff!)
NO

> Proposal 391/0: Fix The Haiku Bonus (Scoff!)

YES

> Proposal 392/0: Same As It Never Was (Rob)

NO

> Proposal 409/0: I Have Found The Solution! (Baron von Skippy)

NO (whats wrong with proosals?)

> Proposal 410/0: Another Way to Remove a Splinter (Baron von Skippy)

NO

> Proposal 411/1: The Gremlin Factory (Dan)

ABSTAIN

> Proposal 412/2: Bribes for the Gremlin Game (Dan)

NO

> Proposal 413/0: Someday We'll All Look Back On This and Laugh Nervously (Rob)

ABSTAIN

> Proposal 414/0: A Journey of a Thousand Words (Glotmorf)

YES

> Proposal 415/1: Hiding Really Means Hiding! (The Administrator)

YES

> Proposal 416/0: Do Gremlins Go To Heaven? (Glotmorf)

NO

> Proposal 417/1: Watch Your Step! (Glotmorf)

NO

> Proposal 418/1: Them's Good Eatin' (Glotmorf)

NO

> Proposal 419/0: There Was A Young Siren From Nantucket... (Scoff!)

ABSTAIN

> Proposal 420/0: Second Law of Thermodynamics (The Voice)

YES

> Proposal 421/0: No, YOU'RE A Blowhard! (The Voice)

ABSTAIN

> Proposal 422/0: Mommy, my Idol's broken! (The Voice)

YES

> Proposal 423/0: Inaugural Declaraion of Respect (The Voice)

YES

> Proposal 424/0: They're everwhere too! (Wonko)

YES... but it does seem to contradict itself about number of hit
points.

> Proposal 425/0: Football fixes (Bean)

ABSTAIN

> Proposal 426/0: Only running is boring (Bean)

ABSTAIN

> Proposal 427/0: Only running is boring II: Bean Boots Back (Bean)

ABSTAIN

> Proposal 428/0: Nomic Revival (Rob)

YES (I still say we should have gone imperial...)

Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 09:25:23 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: grid action
Sender: [email-masked]
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On 3/4/02 at 11:51 AM ID Scott, Science 99 wrote:

>Awake? Me? Rarely. However, I will catch said Gremlin, and throw it 
>back to Glortmorf.
>
>And I promise to rule on your CFJ just as soon as I get my brain around 
>all your various briefs, counter briefs and arguments which are not at 
>all brief, but actually rather long. 
>
>cheers,
>Iain
>
>On Mon, 04 Mar 2002 02:16:24 -0500 Donald Whytock 
><[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>> I pick up the Witch Gremlin and throw it at Iain, just to make sure e's
>awake.
>> 
>> 						Glotmorf

Well, e's awake.  Gosh.  Almost inspires me to invent the Caffeine Gremlin, which causes a Player to wake up with jitters and move one square...

Hm.  I'll catch the witch and sling it at Rob.

						Glotmorf

Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:27:18 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Fixing the Plague
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Amend proposal 433:

Replace the word 'Active' in the last sentence with 'Active or Hiding.'

Replace the words "votes No on" with "issues a single No vote on each of".
Replace the words "votes Yes on" with "issues a single Yes vote on each of".

[[
It'll look like this:
{{
__They're Everywhere! Part 2__

Append to the rule entitled "Gremlins" the following WHEEE delimited text:
WHEEE
There exists an entity known as the Plague of Gremlins. All Gremlins are
considered to be part of the Plague of Gremlins. At the beginning of each
voting period, if all Gremlins are Hiding, all Gremlins become Active.
Otherwise, the following shall occur:
If the Gremlin number is greater than 62, the Plague of Gremlins issues a
single No vote on each of k randomly chosen proposals on the current Ballot,
where k is the 8th Gremlin number.
If the Gremlin number is less than 59, the Plague of Gremlins issues a
single Yes vote on each of k randomly chosen proposals on the current
Ballot, where k is 9-(the 8th Gremlin number).
If the Gremlin number is equal to 59, 60, 61, or 62, all Gremlins go into
Hiding, and may not become Active for at least 5 ndays.

This rule takes precedence over all rules which determine when Gremlins may
become Active or Hiding.
WHEEE
}}
]]

--Wonko

"Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't
cure. "
- Ross MacDonald

Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:27:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 8
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Jonathan Van Matre wrote:

> > >Proposal 390/0: You Can't Have Football Without Color
> > Commentary (Scoff!)
> > NO - This proposed rule is self-contradictory.  Two players
> > can't hold the
> > title, but then you say they can.
>
> You misread the proposal.  It clearly says '"Color Commentator" is a
> Title. The Title "Color Commentator" may not be held concurrently by
> more than two players.' Nowhere does it restrict the Title to only one
> player.

You're right I did.... in light of my error, I change my vote on proposal
390 to YES.

Bean

Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:47:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 8
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Wonko wrote:
> You're abstaining a lot more than you think it you don't send this to
> Business, Your Highness.

Shazbot.  That ain't good.  Thank goodness for the archive.

> (speaking of nitpicking, isn't "usualy" usually spelt with two l's?  ;)

Yes it is, but that was late last night.  But in the middle of the day you
shouldn't have any excuse to spell 'if' with a 't' :)

Bean

Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:49:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Votes et al
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Here are my votes, just under the wire, thanks to Wonko.

Oh, and I give Wonko 5 points for his help.

Bean

>Proposal 387/0: Bean sucks, but Vows of Poverty don't (Bean)
YES

>Proposal 389/0: Let's Nip This In The Bud (Scoff!)
ABSTAIN

>Proposal 390/0: You Can't Have Football Without Color Commentary (Scoff!)
YES

>Proposal 391/0: Fix The Haiku Bonus (Scoff!)
YES

>Proposal 392/0: Same As It Never Was (Rob)
NO

>Proposal 409/0: I Have Found The Solution! (Baron von Skippy)
NO - This will replace its own instance of proosal with proposal.  Icky
icky icky.

>Proposal 410/0: Another Way to Remove a Splinter (Baron von Skippy)
ABSTAIN

>Proposal 411/1: The Gremlin Factory (Dan)
NO

>Proposal 412/2: Bribes for the Gremlin Game (Dan)
NO

>Proposal 413/0: Someday We'll All Look Back On This and Laugh Nervously
(Rob) ABSTAIN - I'm gonna have to let the masses decide on this one

>Proposal 414/0: A Journey of a Thousand Words (Glotmorf)
YES - I like stories.

>Proposal 415/1: Hiding Really Means Hiding! (The Administrator)
YES

>Proposal 416/0: Do Gremlins Go To Heaven? (Glotmorf)
ABSTAIN

>Proposal 417/1: Watch Your Step! (Glotmorf)
YES - I don't like it appending to 394... bad aesthetics, etc.  But yeah.

>Proposal 418/1: Them's Good Eatin' (Glotmorf)
ABSTAIN

>Proposal 419/0: There Was A Young Siren From Nantucket... (Scoff!)
ABSTAIN

>Proposal 420/0: Second Law of Thermodynamics (The Voice)
ABSTAIN

>Proposal 421/0: No, YOU'RE A Blowhard! (The Voice)
ABSTAIN

>Proposal 422/0: Mommy, my Idol's broken! (The Voice)
YES

>Proposal 423/0: Inaugural Declaraion of Respect (The Voice)
YES!! YES! YES! YES!  (I actually was going to do this... well, you have a
busy week and look what happens, someone else gets your points :)

>Proposal 424/0: They're everwhere too! (Wonko)
NO - I just things are busy enough as is.

>Proposal 425/0: Football fixes (Bean)
YES

>Proposal 426/0: Only running is boring (Bean)
YES

>Proposal 427/0: Only running is boring II: Bean Boots Back (Bean)
YES

>Proposal 428/0: Nomic Revival (Rob)
ABSTAIN

From: "Jonathan Van Matre" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:49:23 -0600
Subject: RE: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 8
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Negation > Proposal 387/0: Bean sucks, but Vows of Poverty don't (Bean)
It is like that > Proposal 389/0: Let's Nip This In The Bud (Scoff!)
It is like that > Proposal 390/0: You Can't Have Football Without Color 
It is like that > Proposal 391/0: Fix The Haiku Bonus (Scoff!)
It is like that > Proposal 392/0: Same As It Never Was (Rob)

It manufactures a laugh in in me.

Negation > Proposal 409/0: I Have Found The Solution! (Baron von Skippy)
Negation > Proposal 410/0: Another Way to Remove a Splinter (Baron von Skippy)
Negation > Proposal 411/1: The Gremlin Factory (Dan)

It invites a providence anger.

Negation > Proposal 412/2: Bribes for the Gremlin Game (Dan)

Please, the possibility sliced raw fish, grafting, and poll it fills the }codify{. which 

It is like that > Proposal 413/0: Someday We'll All Look Back On This and Laugh 
It is like that > Proposal 414/0: A Journey of a Thousand Words (Glotmorf)

It to I joyfully.

It is like that > Proposal 415/1: Hiding Really Means Hiding! (The Administrator)
It is like that > Proposal 416/0: Do Gremlins Go To Heaven? (Glotmorf)
Abstain > Proposal 417/1: Watch Your Step! (Glotmorf)
Negation > Proposal 418/1: Them's Good Eatin' (Glotmorf)

It is busy too much.

It is like that > Proposal 419/0: There Was A Young Siren From Nantucket... (Scoff!)
It is like that > Proposal 420/0: Second Law of Thermodynamics (The Voice)

It goes out and it, but possibly it is not and and I think that it likes. 

Negation > Proposal 421/0: No, YOU'RE A Blowhard! (The Voice)

The Elbonian interaction it is clear in attempt and does not work at an outside which it is. 

It is like that > Proposal 422/0: Mommy, my Idol's broken! (The Voice)
It is like that > Proposal 423/0: Inaugural Declaraion of Respect (The Voice)
It is like that > Proposal 424/0: They're everwhere too! (Wonko)

 Until my easy ball wait the fact that you will go to one thing!

Abstain > Proposal 425/0: Football fixes (Bean)
Abstain > Proposal 426/0: Only running is boring (Bean)
Abstain > Proposal 427/0: Only running is boring II: Bean Boots Back (Bean)
Abstain > Proposal 428/0: Nomic Revival (Rob)

From: "Jonathan Van Matre" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:59:39 -0600
Subject: spoon-business: Actions
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I am mobile to with the lattice, (17,15)
 
I shoot the Antonio in my Pinball gun.

I purchase the Pinball gun.

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:54:14 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: nweek 8 results
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Yes, it's that time again...

The following are recognized during nweek 8:

"Run, Run, As Fast As You Can! v2.0" is 434/0.
The Sushi has been given to Scoff!.
"Roller Gremlin" is 435/0.

Glotmorf lobs the Witch Gremlin at Iain, who catches it and throws it back
to Glotmorf, who in turn slings it at Rob.

Bean gives 5 points to Wonko.

433 is revised (433/1).

I'm using a slightly liberal interpretation of Rule 31 here: Uncle
Psychosis' votes were received, by my mail server, after Voting had
closed, but they were sent from HIS mail server before Voting closed. R31
says "Votes may only be cast during the Voting"; even though the votes
were *received* late, they were in fact cast (sent) before the deadline.

Other end-of-nweek stuff:

The PIG is hungry. It eats Proposal 421.
Rocky throws a Big Rock onto the Grid at 17,18.

Everyone with queued Grid movements gets to move:

Rob moves to 5,4
The Voice moves to 6,6. E spends 10 points to fly the friendly skies
with Elbonian Airways, ultimately landing at 11,7.
Wonko moves to 18,6.
Baron von Skippy moves to 4,12. (I know eir move specified 12,4 but that
would be impossible; I'm assuming e merely transposed the digits.)
Bean Runs to 13,11.
Scoff! moves to 17,15, fires eir Pinball Gun at Antonio (who moves two
spaces to 20,18). Then Scoff! buys a new Pinball Gun (2 points).

Now, vote counting and sundry related stuff:

387/0 fails (2-9).
Bean loses 3 points.

389/0 fails (2-8-1).
Scoff! loses 2 points.

390/0 passes (6-5).
Created 436/0.
Scoff! scores 11 points.

391/0 passes (11-0).
Created 357/3.
Scoff! scores 8 points, which are transferred to the Scoring Gremlin.

392/0 passes (6-5).
Created 259/2.
Rob scores 18 points.

409/0 fails (3-8).
Baron von Skippy loses 5 points.

410/0 fails (4-6-1).
Baron von Skippy loses 4 points.

411/1 fails (1-8-2).
Dan loses 2 points.

412/2 fails (3-7-1).
Dan loses 4 points.

413/0 passes (8-1-2).
Created 129/3.
Rob scores 15 points.

414/0 somehow passes, despite the fact that it makes no sense (7-3-1).
Created 437/0.
Created 438/0.
Glotmorf scores 12 points.

415/1 passes (11-0).
Created 439/0.
The Scoring Gremlin scores 8 points.

416/0 fails (4-6-1).
Glotmorf loses 2 points.

417/1 passes (5-3-3).
Created 394/2.
Glotmorf scores 8 points.

418/1 fails (3-7-1).
Glotmorf loses 6 points.

419/0 fails (3-6-2).
Scoff! loses 3 points.

420/0 passes (9-1-1).
Created 440/0.
The Voice scores 13 points.

421/0 was eaten by the PIG (would have failed 2-6-3).

422/0 passes (9-1-1).
Created 293/1.
The Voice scores 10 points.

423/0 passes (9-1-1).
Rob gains 1 Respect.

424/0 passes (7-4).
Created 441/0.
Created 442/0.
Created one Basic Gnome, randomly placed at (2,17).
Created 406/1.
The Yoyo Gremlin ceases to exist... e is replaced by the Yoyo Gremlin, who
is randomly placed on the Grid at (15,6).
Wonko scores 14 points.

425/0 passes, amidst a sea of apathy (4-2-5).
Created 394/3.
Bean scores 14 points.

426/0 fails (3-3-5).
Bean loses 1 point.

427/0 passes (4-2-5).
Created 443/0.
Bean scores 9 points.

428/0 fails (4-4-3).
Rob loses 4 points.

Thus ends the nweek.

Nweek 9 begins, and the following events happen:

The new Gremlin number is 68.
The Immunity Idol is awarded to The Voice (again).
The Token of Proposals is awarded to The Voice (as the Bandwidth Gremlin
becomes Active).

(This involves a potentially-controversial interpretation of the rules:
Motions for Respect don't count as normal Proposals for purposes of
scoring, but they do acquire votes. The Voice is the one who proposed
Rob's Declaration of Respect, and with it, eir proposals acquired 27
affirmative votes. If you don't count that, then Scoff! receives the Token
with eir total of 22 votes.)

The weather kicks in...

St. Louis, Lambert-St. Louis International Airport, MO, United States
	(KSTL) 38-45-09N 090-22-25W 171M
Mar 04, 2002 - 09:53 PM EST / 2002.03.05 0253 UTC
Wind: from the WSW (240 degrees) at 9 MPH (8 KT):0
Visibility: 10 mile(s):0
Sky conditions: overcast
Temperature: 34.0 F (1.1 C)
Windchill: 26 F (-3 C):1
Dew Point: 23.0 F (-5.0 C)
Relative Humidity: 63%
Pressure (altimeter): 30.21 in. Hg (1023 hPa)
Pressure tendency: 0.05 inches (1.6 hPa) higher than three hours ago

It's cold, but technically it's not below freezing (tell that to my
driveway, though...) It's been above freezing for three Characteristic
changes, so all Wet squares evaporate and the Yeti enters Limbo.

A Ball of Wax falls from the heavens and lands at (12,3).

This week's Colour Commentator is Uncle Psychosis.

That should do it, methinks.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
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"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 02:40:43 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: New Rule: Serialized Form
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{{ _Continued Next Nweek..._

Create a rule:

{{ _Serialized Form_

Serialized Form is a Prose Form.  A Proposal is in Serialized Form if it otherwise conforms to Prose Form, and if its story or narrative is a continuation of the story or narrative of another Proposal created by the same Player.

Upon the adoption of a Serialized Form Proposal, if at least two immediately-consecutive previous Proposals in the series were also adopted, the Proposal earns its proposer an additional 10+(5*(N-2)), over and above whatever else the proposal might earn, where N is the number of consecutive adopted proposals in the series immediately prior to the newly adopted one.  [[That is, if proposals 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 were a sequence of serialized proposals, and 2, 3 and 4 were adopted, 5 would earn 10+(5*(3-2))=15 additional points; if, however, 3 had not been adopted, 5 would not earn any additional points.]]

}}

}}

Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 02:44:34 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
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{{ _How Far Will a Good Name and a Pretty Face Take You?_

[[

It was a dark and stormy night.

No, really.  It was.

A hurricane was blowing through, a hundred miles off the coast.  Our area wasn't at risk, but it was sufficiently wet and miserable to make a fireside and a bottle of bourbon look terribly attractive.

The Old Man was at the tavern when I came in that evening.  He and a handful of drunken cronies were arguing about the value of respect.  Or, at least, he had been; his companions for the most part had run out of steam and descended into mumbling and bluster in the face of his energy.

I could have inserted myself into the crowd at the bar and gone unnoticed.  I didn't.  I circulated among the tables, saying hello to neighbors and associates from the lab, and the Old Man saw me and waved me over.  "You're the engineer.  Get over here and engine for me!"

The argument, it turned out, was about whether the respect one had from others actually affected their existence.  Half the participants were offering incoherent platitudes to support the idea ("Respect raises a man above others!"  "Respect makes you untouchable!") while the other half incoherently dissented ("Yer smashed!"  "Yer an idiot!"  "Yer head's up yer butt!").  I admit to having been initially persuaded by the latter half.

Meanwhile the Old Man sat and fumed at the level of intellect surrounding him.  He shoved at some of his companions, who obligingly fell over, and offered me a seat.  "Here, have one on me.  We're talking about respect, you see, or at least..."  He glared at the other drinkers. "...I am.  You ever notice, a man has respect, he doesn't seem as affected by things around him as the rest of us?"

I smiled and nodded for him to continue.  After all, he was buying.

"I mean it," he went on.  "Men with enough respect don't get stuck in crowds...crowds move for them.  They don't get stuck in lines...they keep winding up at the front.  They don't have problems with the law...it's like the police can't touch them.  And do you know why?"

"Er...herd instinct?  Human nature recognizes alpha males?"

The Old Man shook his head. "It's because they're not all there.  Space bends around them and lets them slip through."

The worst part was, he didn't seem to be drunk.  He was drinking, but he had an intensity about him that seemed to burn through the bourbon.  I understood then why everyone else at the table was drunk: they had been matching him drink for drink, and his absurdities became easier to listen to as one fogged over.

"And it's not just respect," he continued. "Some people just have charm, and with a smile and a look they can get what they want.  Trouble is, you can't measure charm just by looking at people...it's like those atom parts..." He prompted me with a wave of his hand.

"Um...electrons?"

"Right.  Can't see where they are...only where they've been."

He didn't remember what electrons were called, but he remembered their physical properties.  And still I couldn't tell if he was drunk.  I couldn't resist humoring him to see how far he was gone. "Well, if we regarded respect and charm as dimensions, people could get displaced in N-dimensional space while looking like they're holding still in our normal three...and in fact, if they can anchor themselves in other dimensions they might seem to displace themselves here.  That's why the charming and respected seem to be all over the place but no one ever sees them travel."

The time beyond that dissolved in whatever my glass held and was largely a blur.  The Old Man came up with more points and more examples, and I dutifully incorporated them into the model in between my drinks.  I don't even remember starting to isolate the control variables and building the equations; all I truly recall was a momentary burst of clarity, when everything but the paper in front of me was shrouded in fog, and the Old Man's eyes were burning twice as bright as before.

"Sum up for me what you've got," he commanded.

]]

{{ _Dimensional Realms_

A Realm is a region of Dimensions Space within which at least all but three Dimensions are limited to specific ranges.

A Plane is a Realm within which at least all but two Dimensions are limited to specific ranges.

An Axis is a Realm within which all but one Dimension is limited to the range of -2 to 2.

A Player may inhabit multiple Realms simultaneously.  Two Players are considered to be in the same Realm if all but three of their positional Dimensions differ by no more than 5.

A Player is considered to have travelled between Realms if changes in eir Dimensions take em out of the range of one Realm and into the range of another.

Realms can be named.  The name of a Realm should be relevant to the ranges of the Dimensions that define it.

}}

[[

The Old Man paid for the drinks, and we left our now-snoring drinking companions behind.  The rain had stopped, leaving wet streets and wind blowing through trees and alleys.  The Old Man considered my notes and equations as he walked (and I stumbled) to my place.

"What's all this about players?" he asked.

"'S like a game, innit?" I managed.  "N-dim...menshonal hopscotch."

He nodded thoughtfully, and once or twice murmured, "hopscotch" as he thought.  We made it to my front door, and he glowered at me while I searched for my key and fumbled for the lock.

"Will you be coherent tomorrow?"

"'Course."

"I'll be back with this tomorrow, then.  I may have a proposal for you."  He paused as he turned to go. "I drink Laphroiag."

I don't know what I drink, I thought, as I made my way inside.  And when I woke up in the morning, thankfully in a chair, I realized I didn't even know what I drank.

(To be continued...)

]]

}}

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: CFJ: Ruling
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:18:48 +0000
From: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
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Ruling: FALSE

Analysis: r129/2 does not say that “the game state is altered to a 
state that doesn't include that statement” if it is objected to, it 
says “the usual methods for determining the current rules and game 
state shall apply” if a statement is objected to.  I disagree with 
Glortmorf’s later argument that r129/2 implies that an “objected to” 
and incorrect statement is removed from the game state.
Hence the game state is _not_ altered per r129/2, and this CFJ is FALSE.

[[If it worked at all, I consider r129/2 to have said that, for a given 
statement, S, by the administrator:
If S was correct, and no one objected to it, we continue play.
If S was incorrect, but unnoticed within 20 days, we just continued 
playing (even if we later noticed after 20 days).
If S was incorrect, but noticed within 20 days, we would have to go 
back and rectify our knowledge of the game state, effectivly beginning 
again from just before the statement.
But if S is correct, and someone objects (as in this case, the rules 
are clear on the subject of what goes on the ballot), the objection 
really has no effect on the game state at all.]]

cheers,
Iain

Quoting Donald Whytock <[email-masked]>:

> On 2/14/2002 I objected to the Administrator's earlier statement that
> proposal 377 was on a ballot.  I contend that now, as per r129, the
> game state is altered to a state that doesn't include that statement,
> since it was objected to.
>
> 						Glotmorf
>
>
> 

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From: "Jonathan Van Matre" <[email-masked]>
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:38:08 -0600
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal
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Regarding the result of facility inside event of refutation, Oscars.com website as the last authority to be spared in the person who has become the distinction which it wins inside each type. The Oscars when it completes the medical service which the facility Gremlin makes above flaw E it sleeps, Oscars facility Gremlin the uncreated and this rule that time will withdraw. 

--Scoff!

From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:31:35 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Bribery
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I give 3 points to each player who voted for p377.

I take 3 points from each player who voted for p413.

uin.
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:30:45 -0600 (CST)
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: B Nomic Business <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Grid action
Sender: [email-masked]
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I move to (6,11).

-- 
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 then there'll be no people left"
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:36:46 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: nomic votes (fwd)
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Dan's votes for the previous nweek...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:17:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan <[email-masked]>
To: David E. Smith <[email-masked]>
Subject: nomic votes

Here are my votes:
387/0 NO
389/0 NO
390/0 NO
391/0 YES
392/0 YES
409/0 YES
410/0 NO
411/1 YES
412/2 YES
413/0 YES
414/0 NO
415/1 YES
416/0 NO
417/1 NO
418/1 YES
419/0 NO
420/0 YES
421/0 NO
422/0 YES
423/0 YES
424/0 NO
425/0 NO
426/0 NO
427/0 NO
428/0 YES

Dan

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:37:38 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Votes (fwd)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

UIN's votes for the previous nweek...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:48:11 -0500
From: Gavin Doig <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Votes

387 - no
389 - no
390 - no
391 - yes
392 - no
409 - no
410 - no
411 - no
412 - no
413 - no (undecidable gamestate? no thanks)
414 - no (comments are for wimps ;-))
415 - yes
416 - no
417 - no
418 - no
419 - no
420 - no (actions are too poorly defined)
421 - no
422 - no
423 - no
424 - no
425 - no
426 - no
427 - no
428 - no

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:38:23 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: ballot, nweek 8 -- votes (fwd)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The Voice's votes for the previous nweek...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 21:14:15 -0500
From: Tyler Crosby <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: ballot, nweek 8 -- votes

Proposal 387/0: Bean sucks, but Vows of Poverty don't (Bean)YES
Proposal 389/0: Let's Nip This In The Bud (Scoff!)NO
[[I like self-important use of Latin...]]
Proposal 390/0: You Can't Have Football Without Color Commentary (Scoff!)NO
[[They annoy me anyway.  Not enough is happening with football yet.]]
Proposal 391/0: Fix The Haiku Bonus (Scoff!)YES
Proposal 392/0: Same As It Never Was (Rob)YES
Proposal 409/0: I Have Found The Solution! (Baron von Skippy)NO
Proposal 410/0: Another Way to Remove a Splinter (Baron von Skippy)NO
[[Takes away flaming gremlins named Bruce... :( ]]
Proposal 411/1: The Gremlin Factory (Dan)NO
Proposal 412/2: Bribes for the Gremlin Game (Dan)NO
[[Too complicated]]
Proposal 413/0: Someday We'll All Look Back On This and Laugh Nervously
(Rob)YES
Proposal 414/0: A Journey of a Thousand Words (Glotmorf)NO
[[I spend too much time on this game as it is...  I really like it,
though.]]
Proposal 415/1: Hiding Really Means Hiding! (The Administrator)YES
Proposal 416/0: Do Gremlins Go To Heaven? (Glotmorf)NO
Proposal 417/1: Watch Your Step! (Glotmorf)YES
Proposal 418/1: Them's Good Eatin' (Glotmorf)NO
Proposal 419/0: There Was A Young Siren From Nantucket... (Scoff!)YES
Proposal 420/0: Second Law of Thermodynomics (The Voice)YES
[[Even with the typo...]]
Proposal 421/0: No, YOU'RE A Blowhard! (The Voice)YES
Proposal 422/0: Mommy, my Idol's broken! (The Voice)YES
Proposal 423/0: Inaugural Declaraion of Respect (The Voice)YES
Proposal 424/0: They're everwhere too! (Wonko)YES
Proposal 425/0: Football fixes (Bean)YES
Proposal 426/0: Only running is boring (Bean)YES
Proposal 427/0: Only running is boring II: Bean Boots Back (Bean)YES
Proposal 428/0: Nomic Revival (Rob)NO
[[Redundant due to 0/0]]

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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:49:14 -0500
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Bribery
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 11:31:35AM -0500, Gavin Doig wrote:
> I give 3 points to each player who voted for p377.
> 
> I take 3 points from each player who voted for p413.

Right, except you can't do that.

I submit a CFJ with the statement: Uncle Psychosis did not take 3 points
from anyone.

The Defendant is Uncle Psychosis.

Rationale: It's quite blatantly an illegal modification of the game
state.

-- 
Rob Speer

From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: Wind v2.0
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:40:50 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ __You're STILL a Blowhard!__

[[

Watch your aim again!
The wind is still blowing and
targets will be missed.

]]

Append the following -0- delimited text to the end of rule 405/0:

-0-
Wind is a Characteristic.

Wind has two sub-characteristics, Speed (S) and Direction (D). All objects 
which are thrown on the Grid (gremlins, players via E.A., etc.) behave in 
the following manner: If 5<S<10, the thrown object falls 1 square away from 
the intended target in the direction of D (north, west, southeast, etc.).

If 10<S<20, the thrown object falls 2 squares away from the intended target 
in the direction of D.
If 20<S<30, the thrown object falls 3 squares away from the intended target 
in the direction of D.
If 30<S<40, the thrown object automatically falls into Limbo.

If an object is in flight when S and D are updated, its target is changed 
relative to its once-adjusted position.

If an object falls off of the Grid due to Wind, it falls into Limbo.
-0-

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From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: objection
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:49:09 -0500
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I object to the administrator having the Yoyo Gremlin on the roster, as e no 
longer exists.

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From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: proposal: fixing the window.
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 20:06:17 -0500
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{{ __Ohh, one of those "funky" windows...__

Amend rule 402 by adding the following -0- delimited text:

-0-
Whenever the weather is updated, Curt and Rod will take 3 moves in random 
directions.
-0-

Also, if checkpoints exist, replace the string 'Whenever the weather is 
updated' with 'At every Checkpoint' (both with no single quotes).
}}

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From: "Jonathan Van Matre" <[email-masked]>
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:32:06 -0600
Subject: CFJ RE: spoon-business: nweek 8 results
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Not that I've done an especially good job of using all my proposals in the past nweek anyway, but just to establish a precedent one way or another, I submit the following CFJ:

Statement:  The Token Of Proposals was not awarded to The Voice.  It was awarded to Scoff!

Rationale:  As the Administrator pointed out, declarations of Respect are not Proposals for the purpose of scoring.  Ergo, there's an established custom in the rules that declarations of respect shouldn't earn the author a reward.

--Scoff!

> The Token of Proposals is awarded to The Voice (as the 
> Bandwidth Gremlin
> becomes Active).
> 
> (This involves a potentially-controversial interpretation of 
> the rules:
> Motions for Respect don't count as normal Proposals for purposes of
> scoring, but they do acquire votes. The Voice is the one who proposed
> Rob's Declaration of Respect, and with it, eir proposals acquired 27
> affirmative votes. If you don't count that, then Scoff! 
> receives the Token
> with eir total of 22 votes.)

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:50:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel Lepage <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: re:CFJ
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
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Rationale:  As the Administrator pointed out,
declarations of Respect are not Proposals for the
purpose of scoring.  Ergo, there's an established
custom in the rules that declarations of respect
shouldn't earn the author a reward.

--Scoff!

Okay, so game custom says no rewards for respect
declarations. Game *Rules*, however, state that
declarations of respect count as proposals except for
the purposes of counting proposals, and that the Idol
goes to whoever recieves the most affirmative votes
period. Methinks the ruleset is a wee bit more
powerful than the game custom...

I would argue, however, that the Voice does not
recieve the Token as e had the Immunity Idol, and the
player with the idol
"5)May NOT recieve the Token of Proposals."

But in light of the first issue:
{{
__Respect doesn't pay__

Replace the last three sentences of the second to last
paragraph of rule 395 with the following text:
"
Declarations of Respect are treated as if they were
proposed by the Scoring Gremlin.
"
}}
That way, the proceeds go to charity.

--Wonko
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:01:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel Lepage <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Chutzpah
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{{
__A little Wiggle room__

Once Voting is done
Add four to each rule's Chutzpah.
That will be more fun.

}}

Giving all rules Czp1 makes it impossible to make
deferential rules via the Chutzpah system. If the base
value is five, then we can make less precedential
rules.

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From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: CFJ
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:40:34 -0500
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Statement: I did not recieve the Token of Proposals because I also recieved 
the Immunity Idol.

I name the Administrator as Defendant.

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Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:55:27 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal - Ice Gnomes
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
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{{
__A Chilly Prospect__

Create:
{{
__Ice Gnomes__

There exist Gnomes of type Ice. If a square is occuppied by either an Ice
Gnome or an entity which holds an Ice Gnome, then the properties of that
square and all entities on that square shall be calculated as if the
temperature were 40 degrees colder, and the properties of the squares
consecutive to that square and all entities on those square shall be
calculated as if the temperature were 30 degrees colder.

If the Yeti possesses an Ice Gnome, it moves 1 extra space whenever it would
move normally. At the end of each nweek, if the Yeti has any Ice Gnome in
its possession, it Eats one of them, destroying it.
}}

Create 3 Ice Gnomes at random locations on the Grid.

Create an Ice Gnome and place it in the possession of the Yeti.
}}

--Wonko

 "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm
not sure about the former. "
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:55:33 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal - Fire Gnomes
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__Burn, baby, Burn!__

Create:
{{
__Fire Gnomes__

There exist Gnomes of type Fire. If a square is
occuppied by either an Fire Gnome or an entity which
holds an Fire Gnome, then the square and all entities
in that square lose the attributes Frozen and Wet, and
any Brooks in that square are destroyed.
}}

Create 4 Fire Gnomes at random locations on the Grid.
}}

--Wonko

"Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't
cure. "
- Ross MacDonald

Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:05:34 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal - Anthologies
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__Anthologies__

{{
__Anthologis__

An Anthology is a Poetic Form. To be an Anthology, a proposal must contain
multiple sections, each of which must be a Poetic Form. The Form bonus for
an Anthology is the bonus of the Form whose bonus is worth the most points
of the Forms used in the Anthology, plus 3*(the number of Poetic Forms
used). The Anthology does not count as a Poetic Form for the purposes of
determining this.
}}
}}

--Wonko

"Attention to health is lifes greatest hindrance. "
    - Plato

"Plato was a bore. "
    - Friedrich Nietzsche

"Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal. "
    - Leo Tolstoy

"I'm not going to get into the ring with Tolstoy. "
    - Ernest Hemingway

"Hemingway was a jerk. "
    - Harold Robbins

From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: rectification
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:57:27 -0500
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Fine, be that way.  Dave, please rectify my proposal to contain standard 
closing delimiters one line before my signature, seen below.

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-
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Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:44:41 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Flight
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I fly Elbonian towards (12,12).

--Wonko

"In the end, everything is a gag. "
- Charlie Chaplin

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Movement
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:16:43 -0500
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I mosy on over to space (5,12), or (12,5), whichever it is. I recall I got 
the last one wrong. Anyway, I move one space to the right, as seen by an 
observer looking down on the Grid with (20,20) in the upper-right corner. 
Does that work? Please?

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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 00:32:48 -0600
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal - Earth
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[Since we have a proposal regarding Wind and one regarding
Fire...well...]]

{{

Append to the end of 301/2:

{{
Squares on the Grid may have Substance and Depth.

Substance describes the material of which the square is made.  Permitted
Substances shall appear in the List of Grid Substances.  The list content
may be modified using proposals.

Depth describes square's distance beneath the main body of the Grid.  Depth
is expressed in integers.
}}

Create the List of Grid Substances.

Add Earth, Metal, and Mud to the list.

Assign the Characteristic of Earth to ten random squares on the Grid.

Append to 405/0

{{
If a square with a Substance of Earth becomes Wet, its substance becomes
Mud for 3 ndays.
}}

[[Since I need to get some sleep, I leave it to another day -- or someone
else -- to determine what the effects of Mud will be.]]

}}

--Congenital Optimist

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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:34:02 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proosal
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Reply-To: [email-masked]

<prooosal>
<title>Like a fridge.</title>
<body>
Second last sentence
Of rule two-five-eight: remove
Comma to full stop.

[[No points for the scarf - style is its own reward.]]
</body>
</proosal>

uin.

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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:30:14 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Re: Proosal
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Last proosal I made:
Change where it now says "Second"
Replace with "The third".

Didn't notice the last paragraph had two sentences. Thanks, Glotmorf.

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:21:28 +0000 (GMT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Motion to Add
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this is a Motion to Add as a player M'lisilinaath
Ethifel Aenea Thabana Aes Sedai, henceforth to be
known as Naath.

Naath
hoping she did that vaguley right.

==Like duct tape the force is, a light side and a dark side it has, holds the universe together it does, hmm.

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:22:56 -0500
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Thtyle and Gremball
Sender: [email-masked]
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[[Firtht of all, I've been forgetting entirely to lithp. Thith could be
rather weakly juthtified by thaying that when I don't realize I'm
thuppothed to lithp, my betht imitation of one is none at all. But thath
okay, because I've got the Thcarf for another week, and have lotht an
appropriate number of Pointh and Thtyle.]]

I catch the Witch Gremlin and throw it to Baron von Thkippy.
I move to (6, 5), and yeth, that wath pronounthed "thicth".

I'm thick of lithping. I declare that The Pink Thcarf ith Muffling.
-- 
Rob Thpeer

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:06:20 -0600 (CST)
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: B Nomic Business <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: game action
Sender: [email-masked]
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I change my gender to Female.

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 fell through my roof!"      --Christian in "Moulin Rouge"

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Thtyle and Gremball
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:23:12 -0500
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I catch the Witch Gremlin and throw it to Baron von Thkippy.
-I catch the Witch Gremlin, compare its weight to that of a duck, set fire 
to it [[She's a witch! Burn her!]], and throw it to Antonio. In doing so, I 
have to get rid of my torch, so I drop it and inadvertantly set fire to my 
foot. Ouch.-

                                                -Cheers,-
                                                  -BvS-

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Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 00:00:06 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Gremlin Toss
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
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I catch the Witch Gremlin and fling it at Bean.

--Wonko

"I would have made a good Pope. "
- Richard M. Nixon

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Thtyle and Gremball
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 23:57:45 -0500
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I know, I'll send this to the BUISNESS list...

Dude... didn't Antonio drop AWOL 2 nweeks ago?
-Did he? He's on the Grid. Fine... Um, I rescind that, then, as e is not a 
viable target, and instead throw the flaming Witch Gremlin to Wonko, who I 
now know is on the Grid. Then I run cold water over my hands.-

                                              -BvS-

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Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 02:16:10 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Gremlin Toss
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

You think you're tricky, don't you.  You think that because I've gone out 
and had a few beers that I won't be able to catch it, don't you.  Well 
you're wrong.

I catch the Witch Gremlin.  Drunken catches are easier than drunken 
throws... maybe I'll throw it at someone tomorrow.  In the meantime I'll 
slee...... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........

Bean

At 12:00 AM 2002-03-09 -0500, you wrote:
>I catch the Witch Gremlin and fling it at Bean.
>
>--Wonko
>
>"I would have made a good Pope. "
>- Richard M. Nixon

Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:05:27 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Saturday afternoon)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'd written a lovely interpretation of Uncle Psychosis' various "3 points"
actions, but since it's CFJd now, the whole thing is moot. CFJ 444,
assigned to Congenital Optimist.

"You're STILL a Blowhard!" is 445/0.

The Yoyo Gremlin is deleted from the Roster (thanks for pointing that one
out, Voice).

"Ohh, one of those "funky" windows..." is 446/0.

Scoff!'s "Token of Proposals" CFJ is 447, assigned to Uncle Psychosis.

Wonko's "Respect doesn't pay" is 448/0.

"A little Wiggle room" is 449/0.

The Voice's "Token vs Idol" CFJ is 450. Wonko, you'll have to randonly
select a player to Judge this, as I'm the Defendant.

"A Chilly Prospect" is 451/0.
"Burn, baby, Burn!" is 452/0.
"Anthologies" is 453/0 (rectified: I'm assuming Anthologis is a typo, and
I'm adding the "Create:" verbiage.)

Wonko spends 8 points to Fly Elbonian towards the center square
(occupied by Whoopi Goldberg, I think). Anyway, e lands at (13,14).

Baron von Skippy's move is queued. (BvS: X is horizontal - left/right,
east/west, whatever. Y is the other one. Grid coords are (X,Y).)

"Earth" is 454/0.

"Like a fridge." is 455/0 and revised to 455/1.

Naath joins the game. Welcome!

Rob is penalized for selfishly keeping the Scarf: 5 Style points, 2 Score
points. The Scarf ith Muffling.

Congenital Optimist undergoes a sex change operation.

Rob catches the Witch Gremlin, lobs it to the Baron, who ignites it and
then throws it to Antonio... er, since I hadn't yet recognized that, I'll
kindly allow em to rescind the action, and throw said torch at Wonko, who
then catches it and throws it to Bean.

Rule 259 is really and truly updated this time (I updated its revision
history, but forgot to update the rule itself. I suck.)

Wonko's Respect motion is 456.

Bean catches the Witch Gremlin, and thoughtfully chooses not to lob it
again.

...dave

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Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 17:12:33 -0500
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Saturday afternoon)
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quoth David E. Smith,

> The Voice's "Token vs Idol" CFJ is 450. Wonko, you'll have to randonly
> select a player to Judge this, as I'm the Defendant.

Mr. Dice Roller has decreed that the Baron is the Judge.

> Rob catches the Witch Gremlin, lobs it to the Baron, who ignites it and
> then throws it to Antonio... er, since I hadn't yet recognized that, I'll
> kindly allow em to rescind the action, and throw said torch at Wonko, who
> then catches it and throws it to Bean.
> 
> Bean catches the Witch Gremlin, and thoughtfully chooses not to lob it
> again.
> 

Wait a minute... Don't we have to be within 7 squares of our targets to
throw to them? Meaning that Rob never threw the Witch in the first place?

By the way, I append to all my proposals the following { delimited text:
{
If, in rule 394, the sentences
"Players playing Football may not use Elbonian Airways. Players may not use
Curt and Rod to move as specified in rule 402."
occur, replace the word 'Players' in the second sentence with 'Players
playing Football'
}

Otherwise Curt and Rod do squat.

--Wonko

"I would have made a good Pope. "
- Richard M. Nixon

Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 17:51:18 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal Overhaul
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I replace proposal 432 with the following:
{{
__Literary Criticism__

Replace the last sentence of rule 438 with the following:
" When a player votes on a proposal which is in Prose Form, e may also give
that proposal a rating, which is an integer between 0 and 15. If e does not,
e is assumed to have given that proposal a rating of 7. If a proposal in
Prose Form passes, its proponent recieves a number of points equal to the
average of all ratings given to that proposal by players other than the
proponent."
}}

Rationale: The way it's worded right now, I could argue that I should get
ten points for including [[The man said,]] at the beginning of each of my
proposals. This way, I could do that, but everyone would rate it 0.

Oh, and before I forget, I Object to every statement made by the Admin that
involves "The second law of thermodynamics". (because otherwise two nweeks
from now the correctly spelled one will be replaced by the incorrectly
spelled (and undefined) one).

--Wonko

"The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad."
- Salvador Dali

Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 23:35:23 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Regarding p413
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Regarding the adoption of p413, Nomilogue #1, "A Journey of a Thousand Words," was the rule it created in effect at the time of its own creation?  I'm wondering if p413 earned itself 10 points for being in Prose Form.

						Glotmorf

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:08:58 -0500
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer
	(Saturday afternoon)
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quoth Alex Truelsen,

>> The Voice's "Token vs Idol" CFJ is 450. Wonko, you'll have to randonly
>> select a player to Judge this, as I'm the Defendant.
> 
> Mr. Dice Roller has decreed that the Baron is the Judge.
> -I thought I was on the LOMJ... I'll try not to get put BACK on it, I
> guess.-

Oops. I missed that. Okay, now Mister Dice Roller says Glotmorf judges. Is
there anything illegal about that?

> Wait a minute... Don't we have to be within 7 squares of our targets to
> throw to them? Meaning that Rob never threw the Witch in the first place?
> -There's something about 7 spaces? Well, then, I couldn't have ever thrown
> it to Antonio, e's across the board from me.-

Yes, and Rob could never have thrown it to you either.

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Somehow, I don't think we need it.

--Wonko

"If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" "
    - Will Rogers

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:13:59 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Hey, why not?
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I amend all my proposals to add to the beginning of each of eir texts the
following $ delimited text:
$[[It was dark. The man said: ]]$

--Wonko

"If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" "
    - Will Rogers

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:30:59 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer
  (Saturday afternoon)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 3/10/02 at 12:08 AM Wonko wrote:

>Oops. I missed that. Okay, now Mister Dice Roller says Glotmorf judges. Is
>there anything illegal about that?
>
>--Wonko

My judgment regarding cfj450:

The Administrator listed two events in his nweek 8 results:

1. The Immunity Idol is awarded to The Voice (again).

2. The Token of Proposals is awarded to The Voice (as the Bandwidth Gremlin
becomes Active).

Since these events were listed in this order, the Immunity Idol was in The Voice's possession prior to eir being awarded the Token of Proposals; therefore The Voice was immune to the effects of the Bandwidth Gremlin.

Consequently, I judge CFJ 450 to be True.

						Glotmorf

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:47:26 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ: bandwidth violation
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

CFJ: Wonko has exceeded eir bandwidth limitations for this nweek.

Analysis: I count eight.

						Glotmorf

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 02:05:31 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Saturday afternoon)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 3/9/02 at 8:05 PM David E. Smith wrote:

>...dave

Mr. A?  I submitted a couple proposals, the emails of which were entitled "Nomilogue #2" and "Serialized Form".  As these were submitted and echoed by the mailing list before several other recognized proposals, I should hope these are sequenced in some way that places them before those others.  PIG protection, you see.

						Glotmorf

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:37:35 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I make the following CFJ, with no defendant:

{{
Statement:
The Witch Gremlin is in Rob's possession.
Analysis:
He wasn't close enough to throw it at the Baron, and none of the later
throws happened because it was never thrown to the Baron in the first place.
}}

--Wonko

"A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems."
- Paul Erdos

Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:00:08 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Monday morning)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Wonko revises lotsa proposals with the Curt and Rod fix: 431/1, 432/1,
433/2, 434/1, 448/1, 451/1, 452/1, 453/1.  Thanks for making my morning a
lot less fun. (I'm taking a little liberty with your request, which I'll
gladly not do if you like: I didn't apply this change to the Respect
declaration, or to your Haiku, because this change would break each of
their special qualities.)

Wonko then renovates 432 with "Literary Criticism" (432/2).

I'd already fixed that "Thermodynomics" thing. Coulda swore I mentioned
that about a week ago.

Wonko annoys me more by adding lame verbiage to the beginning of all of
eir proposals: 431/2, 432/3, 433/3, 434/2, 448/2, 451/2, 452/2, 453/2.
(Again, same liberty taken.)

Glotmorf rules on CFJ450. As a result of that, the Token of Proposals is
(belatedly) given to Scoff!.

(Which reminds me: Voting starts later today, at 6 PM Central time. If you
wanna use it, Scoff!, you'd better get writing. :)

Further review of the list reveals that I did, in fact, overlook a couple
of Glotmorf's proposals: "Continued Next Nweek..." is 457/0, and eir
second Nomilogue is 458/0. (Aside: First, I don't think the rules require
me to recognize things in the order they're received, and second, I'll
veto anything that requires me to do so. I am human, y'see, and have no
real desire to spend a half-hour or more renumbering things every time I
make a mistake. If you're worried about the PIG, buy him off.)

The "Witch Gremlin" CFJ is 459, assigned to Naath. (Great way to get
involved, innit? Get all dirty with the rules and archives.)

The "Wonko vs. Bandwidth Rationing" CFJ is 460, assigned to Bean. (By the
way, this one is False. Wonko has five proposals for this nweek, including
eir Haiku which I'd mistakenly labeled a CFJ for some reason I don't
understand right now; the others were submitted during the previous
nweek.)

Since the Yeti is in limbo, e doesn't get to move. (Thankfully. The Yeti
annoyed me even more than GremBall.) The Weather is still chilly - it's 36
degrees Fahrenheit right now.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:01:43 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal revisions
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Add to the beginnings of proposals 429 and 457 (as numbered prior to any retroactive renumbering) the following:

[[ It was dark.  The man said:]]

						Glotmorf

Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:38:28 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Revision of _Izing on the Cake_
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Replace the proposal _Izing on the Cake_ in its entirety with the following:

{{ _Izing on the Cake_

Create a new rule: 

{{ _Izings_ 

Each object in the game that can be owned by a Player can have an appropriate Izing attribute that is assigned to the Player upon ownership. Once a Player has acquired the Izing for an object, upon losing ownership of that object, e cannot again own the object until the Izing has been removed from em.

An Izing is removed from all Players once a certain percentage of the Players has it; this percentage varies with the Izing.

Existing Izings are as follows: 

The Token of Proposals: Tokenized
Possession percentage: 90%

The Immunity Idol: Idolized
Possession percentage: 100%

}}

}}

						Glotmorf

From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:55:43 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: CFJ
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<CFJ>
<statement>
This statement does not appear in any recognised CFJ.
</statement>
<analysis>
Per rule 17, "Actions cannot occur unless they are recognized by the Administrator", and also "All recognitions and refusals of recognition must happen in the same chronological order as the Actions they respond to arrived in a Public Forum".

The admin failed to recognise (at least) the proosals incorrectly numbered 457 and 480 in the correct chronological order. Therefore, by the precedent established by, and the same logic as applied in, CFJ 280, no player actions have been recognised since then, and thus no player actions have taken place since then.

Since this CFJ can only exist as such if it has been recognised by the Admin, and it can't be, it does not exist.

[[I believe that if the admin were to issue "a massive version of the Daily Recognizer to re-recognize everything in proper sequence" then this problem would go away. Well, until the next time...]]
</analysis>
<defendant>
Baron von Skippy.
</defendant>
</CFJ>

uin,
for the Reform Rule 17 Committee.
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:16:43 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: Identification Numbers
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

After careful examination of the rules, particularly r5, it appears that there is nothing that explicitly states the Administrator assigns identification numbers to objects.  He does indeed assign serial numbers, but a serial number is a combination of identification number and revision number; presumably the identification-number part of the serial numbers he has assigned he was obliged to create in order to give the objects unique serial numbers.

There is also nothing that says identification numbers have to be integers.

Therefore I declare that the identification number for this new proposal is 431.1, which should result in it being assigned serial number 431.1/0.

{{ _Piddling on the Fire of the Gods_

Append to the end of Rule 5 the following text:

Proposals, Rules and other objects requiring serial numbers, unless specified by the entities that create them, are assigned unique identification numbers that consist of the smallest integer that is larger than the largest identification number in use at the time of the object's creation.  Identification numbers for Calls for Judgment cannot be specified by the Players creating them.

}}

Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:28:59 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Cleaning Up My Own Damn Mess
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following is my one proposal for this nweek, and hopefully it'll take
care of all the problems I've created lately.

{{ __Cleaning Up My Own Damn Mess

Nullify Rule 204 [[ Thou Shalt Not Screw With Time]]. Though the rule
shall still exist, it shall have no effect until reinstated.

Nullify Rule 261 [[ The PIG ]]. Though the rule shall still exist, it
shall have no effect until reinstated.

Rewrite history so that the identification numbers of all Rules,
Proposals, and CFJs are, in fact, as they appear on the B Nomic Web site.
[[ That cleans up the whole serial number mess. ]]

Add the phrase ", assigned by the Administrator." to the end of the first
sentence of Rule 5.

Add the sentence "Identification numbers shall be assigned in ascending
integral order." to the end of the first paragraph of Rule 5.

Remove the last sentence of the first paragraph of Rule 17.

Add the sentences "Though the Administrator shall strive to make all
recognitions and refusals thereof in chronological order, e is not bound
to do so. Recognitions may only occur in Public Fora." to the end of the
first paragraph of Rule 17. [[ This permits me to be human. I'm a big fan
of that. ]]

If the Proposal Ingesting Gremlin consumed any proposals in the last
three ndays, that proposal shall be reinstated as though the PIG were
in Hiding at the time it ate said proposal.

Replace the text of Rule 10 with the following:

{{

All game entities and the Administrator must abide by all the Rules in
effect, in the form in which they are in effect. No Proposal may attempt
to temporarily circumvent the Rules. No Game Action may circumvent or
repress the Rules at any time. This Rule shall always take precedence over
all other Rules. No Proposal may modify this Rule unless said Proposal
receives a 2/3 or greater plurality of affirmative votes.

}}

[[ When the above is created, the temporary suppression of Rules 204 and
261 shall immediately cease, as it becomes illegal. Also, makes it a bit
harder to try sneaky stuff like what I'm doing above. ]]

Give ten points to Glotmorf. Give The Administrator the Title "Glotmorf's
Personal Bitch" for a duration of one nday.

}}

Recognized as 461/0.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:42:59 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Monday afternoon)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I hope there's no gaping problems with 461, since I'm trying to clean up
my own mess in a way that won't cause me to go batty.

Glotmorf gets in on the faux literature game with 429/1 and 457/1.

Regarding the whole renumbering thing: It simply WILL NOT happen this
week. Not nweek, week. I'm working about eighty hours this week. I'm
leaving for my other job in a few minutes, in fact; be fortunate that I
stopped by to even whip out this Recognizer.

"Izing on the Cake" is revised (429/2).

Uncle Psychosis' existential "This CFJ does not exist." CFJ is 462,
assigned to Rob.

Due to technical limitations, I am unable at this time to Recognize
"Piddling on the Fire of the Gods". The database simply cannot handle
non-integral serial numbers.

(I'm tentatively recognizing the proposal, and assigning it a serial
number of 463/0, barring litigation to determine whether I'll be mandated
to stop the whole damn game for a few days to rewrite the database.)

And since I rather like UIN's version, I'm revising my own proposal by
removing its fifth paragraph. 461/1.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:01:20 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 9
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Proposal 429/2: Izing on the Cake (Glotmorf)
Proposal 431/2: Blip... Blip... (Wonko)
Proposal 432/3: Literary Criticism (Wonko)
Proposal 433/3: They're Everywhere! Part 2 (Wonko)
Proposal 434/2: Run, Run, As Fast As You Can! v2.0 (Wonko)
Proposal 435/0: Roller Gremlin (The Voice)
Proposal 445/0: You're STILL a Blowhard! (The Voice)
Proposal 446/0: Ohh, one of those "funky" windows... (The Voice)
Proposal 448/2: Respect doesn't pay (Wonko)
Proposal 449/0: A little Wiggle room (Wonko)
Proposal 451/2: A Chilly Prospect (Wonko)
Proposal 452/2: Burn, baby, Burn! (Wonko)
Proposal 453/2: Anthologies (Wonko)
Proposal 454/0: Earth (Congenital Optimist)
Proposal 455/1: Like a fridge. (Uncle Psychosis)
Proposal 456/0: Respect (Wonko)
Proposal 457/1: Continued Next Nweek... (Glotmorf)
Proposal 458/0: How Far Will a Good Name and a Pretty Face Take You?
                (Glotmorf)
Proposal 461/1: Cleaning Up My Own Damn Mess (The Administrator)
Proposal 463/0: Piddling on the Fire of the Gods (Uncle Psychosis)

Remember, if you vote for 461, all your problems go away. Plus your whites
will be whiter and your brights will be brighter.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Join
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:29:29 +0000
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 I announce my intent to Join the Game.

 My Name (delimited by the quotes `') is `Wild Card'.

 I note that the rule 33/2 (Chutzpah) appears in the wrong place in
the alphabetical list, as it appears between `Powers of...' and
`Proposal...'.

 Wild Card (aka Jonathan Amery).

Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:37:53 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Join
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

>  I announce my intent to Join the Game.
>
>  My Name (delimited by the quotes `') is `Wild Card'.

And you picked a helluva time to join! Welcome! (Shame you can't vote this
week; my travesty of logic that is 461/1 needs all the help it can get,
and you just might be impressionable. :)

>  I note that the rule 33/2 (Chutzpah) appears in the wrong place in
> the alphabetical list, as it appears between `Powers of...' and
> `Proposal...'.

Eek.

In fact the whole alphabetization scheme is shot. (I suspect it's
alphabetizing by the /0 versions of rules instead of the current versions.
I'll try to fix it soonish. Also, if the "more chutzpah" proposal passes,
I'll have to whip up a page listing rules in order of Chutzpah anyway, so
I will queue up all these revisions and do 'em wholesale.)

...dave

From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:34:09 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proosal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<proosal>
<title>Falling out of grace.</title>
<body>
[[With a great deal of care, it should be possible to recognise this.]]
Replace the current text of rule 17 with the following @@@-delimited text:
@@@
Actions occur upon reaching the appropriate Fora. Non-action events--i.e., events not caused by Agents--occur at exactly the times specified in the Rules. Events may occur only in the present, and may not alter the past.
@@@
[[I don't know why it was changed in the first place.]]
</body>
</proosal>

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To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Lets get moving
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:28:48 +0000
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 I enter the grid at (5,19).

 Wild Card.

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:10:42 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Move
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I join Team Crimson. I run, moving down the grid three spaces to (13,11).

--Wonko

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad
people will find a way around the laws."
- Plato

From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Move
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:34:47 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I run to (10,13) and Tackle Bean.  Let's see if this works.

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From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:53:45 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm just trying to get this out so I can have lotsa proposals on the next 
ballot... I believe that I have 3 left, as one of mine was leftover from 
last nweek...  here goes.

{{ __The Golden-Armed Gremlin__

IF Proposal 432 passes, then:
{{
Create a new rule, entitled __The Golden-Armed Gremlin__, with the following
-00- delimited text:

-00-
There exists a gremlin known as the Golden-Armed Gremlin, or Goldie.  At the 
beginning of each Step, Goldie makes 1d8 moves in random directions.  If, at 
any point, Goldie occupies the same square as any grid object except big 
rocks, or another Gremlin, e picks it up and throws it to a random square on 
the Grid.  If, at any point, Goldie occupies the same square as any player 
holding any grid object or Gremlin, e takes it from the player's possesion 
and throws it to a random square on the Grid.  If Goldie does not throw any 
objects for 2 consecutive Steps, e goes into Hiding for 1 Step.
-00-

Amend rule 293 by adding the following * delimited text to the end of the 
list at the second paragraph, where -- stands for the smallest integer after 
the final integer on the list:

*
--)May NOT have any grid objects or Gremlins in eir possesion stolen by 
Goldie.
*
}}

IF Proposal 432 fails, then:
{{
Create a new rule, entitled __The Golden-Armed Gremlin__, with the following
-00- delimited text:

-00-
There exists a gremlin known as the Golden-Armed Gremlin, or Goldie.  At the 
beginning of the 1st and 6th ndays of each nweek, Goldie makes 1d8 moves in 
random directions.  If, at any point, Goldie occupies the same square as any 
grid object except big rocks, or another Gremlin, e picks it up and throws 
it to a random square on the Grid.  If, at any point, Goldie occupies the 
same square as any player holding any grid object or Gremlin, e takes it 
from the player's possesion and throws it to a random square on the Grid.  
If Goldie does not throw any objects during an nweek, e goes into Hiding 
until the next time the clock reads 1 or 6 ndays.
-00-

Amend rule 293 by adding the following * delimited text to the end of the 
list at the second paragraph, where -- stands for the smallest integer after 
the final integer on the list:

*
--)May NOT have any grid objects or Gremlins in eir possesion stolen by 
Goldie.
*
}}

}}

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:33:17 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 9
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Guess I should vote, eh....

At 12:01 AM 2002-03-12 +0000, you wrote:
>Proposal 429/2: Izing on the Cake (Glotmorf)
NO

>Proposal 431/2: Blip... Blip... (Wonko)
YES

>Proposal 432/3: Literary Criticism (Wonko)
YES

>Proposal 433/3: They're Everywhere! Part 2 (Wonko)
ABSTAIN

>Proposal 434/2: Run, Run, As Fast As You Can! v2.0 (Wonko)
NO.  <- Note punctuation for emphasis

>Proposal 435/0: Roller Gremlin (The Voice)
ABSTAIN

>Proposal 445/0: You're STILL a Blowhard! (The Voice)
ABSTAIN

>Proposal 446/0: Ohh, one of those "funky" windows... (The Voice)
YES

>Proposal 448/2: Respect doesn't pay (Wonko)
YES

>Proposal 449/0: A little Wiggle room (Wonko)
YES

>Proposal 451/2: A Chilly Prospect (Wonko)
NO

>Proposal 452/2: Burn, baby, Burn! (Wonko)
NO

>Proposal 453/2: Anthologies (Wonko)
NO - I was torn on this... but I think it makes it too easy to get points 
using poetry as you don't have to be succinct.

>Proposal 454/0: Earth (Congenital Optimist)
NO

>Proposal 455/1: Like a fridge. (Uncle Psychosis)
YES

>Proposal 456/0: Respect (Wonko)
YES

>Proposal 457/1: Continued Next Nweek... (Glotmorf)
ABSTAIN

>Proposal 458/0: How Far Will a Good Name and a Pretty Face Take You?
>                 (Glotmorf)
YES

>Proposal 461/1: Cleaning Up My Own Damn Mess (The Administrator)
YES

>Proposal 463/0: Piddling on the Fire of the Gods (Uncle Psychosis)
ABSTAIN

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:49:32 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Ruling on CFJ 460
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

FALSE

The admin is right.... half were last week....

Bean

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:58:40 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 9
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Proposal 429/2: Izing on the Cake (Glotmorf)
Yes.

>Proposal 431/2: Blip... Blip... (Wonko)
Yes.

>Proposal 432/3: Literary Criticism (Wonko)
Yes.  If only because it was dark and he said.

>Proposal 433/3: They're Everywhere! Part 2 (Wonko)
No.  What happens if k exceeds the number of proposals on the ballot?

>Proposal 434/2: Run, Run, As Fast As You Can! v2.0 (Wonko)
No.  Sorry, you blew it: should have been the last three paragraphs.  As the proposal reads now, the result will be that moves are processed twice per nweek but can only be submitted once per nweek.

>Proposal 435/0: Roller Gremlin (The Voice)
No.  This would cause the first line of the second paragraph of r293 to read, "Any proposal which creates player who holds the Immunity Idol:"

>Proposal 445/0: You're STILL a Blowhard! (The Voice)
No.  If the Wind is ever not zero (which I would think would be most of the time), it would be impossible to hit someone in GremBall.  You could throw a Gremlin, and it might land in a Player's square, but that would not result in hitting the Player.  This might work if some provision was made for Gremlins landing in squares occupied by Players to possibly hit them, but not as is.

>Proposal 446/0: Ohh, one of those "funky" windows... (The Voice)
Yes.

>Proposal 448/2: Respect doesn't pay (Wonko)
Yes.

>Proposal 449/0: A little Wiggle room (Wonko)
Abstain.

>Proposal 451/2: A Chilly Prospect (Wonko)
Yes.

>Proposal 452/2: Burn, baby, Burn! (Wonko)
Yes.

>Proposal 453/2: Anthologies (Wonko)
Yes.

>Proposal 454/0: Earth (Congenital Optimist)
Yes.

>Proposal 455/1: Like a fridge. (Uncle Psychosis)
Yes.

>Proposal 456/0: Respect (Wonko)
Yes.

>Proposal 457/1: Continued Next Nweek... (Glotmorf)
Yes.

>Proposal 458/0: How Far Will a Good Name and a Pretty Face Take You?
>                (Glotmorf)
Yes.

>Proposal 461/1: Cleaning Up My Own Damn Mess (The Administrator)
No.

>Proposal 463/0: Piddling on the Fire of the Gods (Glotmorf)
Yes.

						Glotmorf

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 00:21:29 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: New Email Account
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Please be advised...new email account, same old Glotmorf.

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:41:06 -0500
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 9
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

NUH-UH > Proposal 429/2: Izing on the Cake (Glotmorf)
YUP > Proposal 431/2: Blip... Blip... (Wonko)
YUP > Proposal 432/3: Literary Criticism (Wonko)
YUP > Proposal 433/3: They're Everywhere! Part 2 (Wonko)
NUH-UH > Proposal 434/2: Run, Run, As Fast As You Can! v2.0 (Wonko)
YUP > Proposal 435/0: Roller Gremlin (The Voice)
NUH-UH > Proposal 445/0: You're STILL a Blowhard! (The Voice)
YUP > Proposal 446/0: Ohh, one of those "funky" windows... (The Voice)
YUP > Proposal 448/2: Respect doesn't pay (Wonko)
NUH-UH > Proposal 449/0: A little Wiggle room (Wonko)
[[ Huw ubt ulluwung ngtv chutzph nstud? ]]

YUP > Proposal 451/2: A Chilly Prospect (Wonko)
[[ But t'd ulsu b gud f thu Wthr wus fxd s tht squrs cn b fruzn
fr u whul bfr multng. ]]

YUP > Proposal 452/2: Burn, baby, Burn! (Wonko)
NUH-UH > Proposal 453/2: Anthologies (Wonko)
YUP > Proposal 454/0: Earth (Congenital Optimist)
NUH-UH > Proposal 455/1: Like a fridge. (Uncle Psychosis)
YUP > Proposal 456/0: Respect (Wonko)
NUH-UH > Proposal 457/1: Continued Next Nweek... (Glotmorf)
[[ Pur slf-ntrust, bcuz dun't hv tm tu wrut tuns uf stuff. ]]

YUP > Proposal 458/0: How Far Will a Good Name and a Pretty Face Take You?
                      (Glotmorf)
YUP! > Proposal 461/1: Cleaning Up My Own Damn Mess (The Administrator)
YUP > Proposal 463/0: Piddling on the Fire of the Gods (Glotmorf)

-- 
Rb Spr

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:20:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Gotta run!
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, seeing as my adversaries are closing in and I don't want to punt...
I'll run right past Wonko to (12, 13).

Bean

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Gender Issues
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:39:55 +0000
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 I declare that (starting next nweek) I shall be Male.

 Wild Card.

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:22:32 -0500
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 9
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quoth David E. Smith,

> Proposal 429/2: Izing on the Cake (Glotmorf)
Yes (Although I'm not sure if I'm for Izings for the Sushi and Scarf)
> Proposal 431/2: Blip... Blip... (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 432/3: Literary Criticism (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 433/3: They're Everywhere! Part 2 (Wonko)
Yes (I'll fix it next nweek, along with the glitch in the running prop.
Meanwhile, I doubt we'll have fewer than 8 proposals next nweek)
> Proposal 434/2: Run, Run, As Fast As You Can! v2.0 (Wonko)
Yes (Okay, so we only move once per nweek. My bad. On the otherhand, that
could be interesting in and of itself. The rest can be fixed later, if
people want to)
> Proposal 435/0: Roller Gremlin (The Voice)
No (How could a proposal create the player holding the Immunity Idol?)
> Proposal 445/0: You're STILL a Blowhard! (The Voice)
Yes (Although this could use some repairs  like maybe, if a Gremlin gets
blown into a player, it hits 'em, and if it gets blown away from a player,
it doesn't...)
> Proposal 446/0: Ohh, one of those "funky" windows... (The Voice)
Yes
> Proposal 448/2: Respect doesn't pay (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 449/0: A little Wiggle room (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 451/2: A Chilly Prospect (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 452/2: Burn, baby, Burn! (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 453/2: Anthologies (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 454/0: Earth (Congenital Optimist)
Yes
> Proposal 455/1: Like a fridge. (Uncle Psychosis)
Yes (although Dave's gonna have to fix the punctuation... this leaves that
sentence either without a period or with a free-floating comma at the end,
I'm not sure which)
> Proposal 456/0: Respect (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 457/1: Continued Next Nweek... (Glotmorf)
No
> Proposal 458/0: How Far Will a Good Name and a Pretty Face Take You?(Glotmorf)
No
> Proposal 461/1: Cleaning Up My Own Damn Mess (The Administrator)
Yes
> Proposal 463/0: Piddling on the Fire of the Gods (Uncle Psychosis)
No

--Wonko

"Attention to health is lifes greatest hindrance. "
    - Plato

"Plato was a bore. "
    - Friedrich Nietzsche

"Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal. "
    - Leo Tolstoy

"I'm not going to get into the ring with Tolstoy. "
    - Ernest Hemingway

"Hemingway was a jerk. "
    - Harold Robbins

From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: ballot, nweek 9
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:42:38 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Proposal 429/2: Izing on the Cake (Glotmorf)NO
Proposal 431/2: Blip... Blip... (Wonko)YES
Proposal 432/3: Literary Criticism (Wonko)NO
Proposal 433/3: They're Everywhere! Part 2 (Wonko)YES
Proposal 434/2: Run, Run, As Fast As You Can! v2.0 (Wonko)YES
Proposal 435/0: Roller Gremlin (The Voice)YES
[[Repairs/Resubmission Pending]]
Proposal 445/0: You're STILL a Blowhard! (The Voice)YES
[[Ditto... it's been a busy nweek.]]
Proposal 446/0: Ohh, one of those "funky" windows... (The Voice)YES
Proposal 448/2: Respect doesn't pay (Wonko)YES
Proposal 449/0: A little Wiggle room (Wonko)YES
Proposal 451/2: A Chilly Prospect (Wonko)YES
Proposal 452/2: Burn, baby, Burn! (Wonko)YES
Proposal 453/2: Anthologies (Wonko)NO
Proposal 454/0: Earth (Congenital Optimist)NO
Proposal 455/1: Like a fridge. (Uncle Psychosis)NO
[[Can't figure out what it does.]]
Proposal 456/0: Respect (Wonko)YES
Proposal 457/1: Continued Next Nweek... (Glotmorf)NO
[[Free points for you?  Nobody else is going to take advantage of this, and 
you have a head start.]]
Proposal 458/0: How Far Will a Good Name and a Pretty Face Take You?
                (Glotmorf)NO
[[Need some justification.]]
Proposal 461/1: Cleaning Up My Own Damn Mess (The Administrator)YES
Proposal 463/0: Piddling on the Fire of the Gods (Glotmorf)YES

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:44:43 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Action
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

As soon as moves are processed, I tackle Bean.

--Wonko

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad
people will find a way around the laws."
- Plato

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:19:19 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: nweek 9 results
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It's that time again, ladies and gentlemen...

The following happen during nweek 9:

Uncle Psychosis' proposal "Falling out of grace." is 464/0.
"The Golden-Armed Gremlin" is 465/0.
Bean has Judged CFJ460.

Wild Card enters the Grid.
Wonko joins Team Crimson.
Wild Card declares gender.

And the end of nweek 9:

Baron von Skippy moves to (5,12).
Rob moves to (6,5).
Wonko Runs to (13,11).
The Voice can't run to (10,13) because that's WAY too far for one move,
even if you're Running. Unfortunately, absent a legal alternative for that
proposed move, The Voice just stays put this nweek.
Bean Runs to (12,13).
There we go... now The Voice submits a legal move to (11,10).

Rocky drops a new Big Rock on the Grid at (7,3). As an unexpected bonus, a
vicious Siren (named "Christine") is on the Rock. This has the unfortunate
side-effect of trapping Rob in Christine's Zone of Almost-Total Rapture.

The PIG eats 452/2 (Burn, baby, Burn!).

Votes are counted! (And there was much rejoicing...)

429/2 fails (3-4).
Glotmorf loses 2 points.

431/2 passes (6-1).
Created 466/0.
Created 394/4.
Wonko scores 11 points.
I rule that eir game actions (i.e. the new rule) within that proposal were
not reflected in the "story component" (stifling a chuckle) and thus this
proposal does not qualify for the Prose Form bonus. Hell, the story
component is barely worth mentioning... The same applies for all proposals
with that same alleged-prose prelude.

432/3 passes (5-2).
Created 438/1.
Wonko scores 7 points.

433/3 fails (3-3-1).
Wonko loses 4 points.

434/2 fails (3-4).
Wonko loses 1 point.

435/0 fails (3-3-1).
The Voice loses 3 points.

445/0 fails (3-3-1).
The Voice loses 2 points.

446/0 passes (7-0).
Created 402/1.
The Voice scores 15 points.

[[ Aside: I know how Curt and Rod were *supposed* to work, but that's not
what the rule said (or says). Since they're already Active, they can't
become Active twice a week, so they can't be moved about their respective
axes.  At least this way they'll have a little bit of mobility... ]]

448/2 passes (6-1).
Created 395/1.
Wonko scores 12 points.

449/0 fails (3-3-1).
Wonko loses 5 points.

451/2 passes (5-2).
Created 467/0.
Created Ice Gnomes at (9,16), (12,11), (20,3) and Limbo (carried by The
Yeti).
Wonko scores 12 points.

452/2 passes (5-2).
[[ I know, I know, it was allegedly eaten by The PIG, but later on, after
461/1 passes, I'll have to unroll history to pass it anyway. So I might as
well do it now. ]]
Created 468/0.
Created Fire Gnomes at: (10,18), (6,2), (15,12), and (16,11).
Wonko scores 11 points.

453/2 fails (3-4).
Wonko loses 2 points.

454/0 passes (5-2).
[[ If I have to start learning OpenGL programming just to have a proper
representation of The Grid, I'm going to be very cranky. ]]
Created 301/3.
Created List of Grid Substances (Earth, Metal, and Mud).
Created 405/1.
[[ My, my, the Grid is getting crowded... ]]
The attribute "Earth" is added to the following ten Grid squares:
(1,15), (6,17), (8,1), (15,20), (8,3), (16,2), (16,18), (12,13), (18,6),
(9,10).
Congenital Optimist scores 8 points.

455/1 passes (5-2).
Created 258/4.
Uncle Psychosis scores 14 points.
Uncle Psychosis scores 10 additional points (Poetry and Haiku bonus).

456/1 passes (6-1).
The Voice earns 1 Respect.

457/1 fails (3-3-1).
Glotmorf loses 3 points.

458/0 passes (5-2).
Created 469/0.
I'm not sure if I like where this is going...
Glotmorf scored 13 points.

461/1 passes (6-1).
Sanity is restored to the Nomiverse.
Created 5/2.
Created 17/2.
Created 10/2.
Glotmorf is awarded 10 points, per the Proposal.
The Scoring Gremlin scores 12 points.
The Administrator is, in fact, Glotmorf's personal bitch.

463/0 passes (5-1-1).
Created 5/3.
Glotmorf scores 6 points.

Thus ends nweek 9.

The following ruminations occur to me:

* Was it really the intent of Entropy to only count changes in Charm,
instead of, say, "number of changes in Charm"? One player now has negative
Entropy as a result of the wording of that rule, which may not have been
what was intended.

* Radar doesn't specify whether its blippings should be public or private.
Until the rule is changed, I'm interpreting it as being public. So, any
radar blips will be displayed on the Grid as "blip!" or something similar.

There are four of 'em, actually...

Antonio's Radar is blipping at (20,16) and (19,20).
Scoff!'s Radar is blipping at (18,13).
Wonko's Radar is blipping at (12,9).

Nweek 10 begins:

Antonio is finally hit by Garbage Collection and is removed from The
Roster (and The Grid - hey, I remembered this time!)

This week's Gremlin Number is 17.

The Immunity Idol is awarded to Wonko.

The Token of Proposals cannot be awarded to Wonko because e carries the
Immunity Idol; therefore, the Token of Proposals is awarded to Glotmorf.

The Yeti is in Limbo, and will stay there, in all probability, because the
weather in Saint Louis is just wacky.

St. Louis, Lambert-St. Louis International Airport, MO, United States
(KSTL) 38-45-09N 090-22-25W 171M
Mar 14, 2002 - 07:53 PM EST / 2002.03.15 0053 UTC
Wind: from the S (190 degrees) at 17 MPH (15 KT) gusting to 24 MPH (21 KT):0
Visibility: 10 mile(s):0
Sky conditions: partly cloudy
Temperature: 70.0 F (21.1 C)
Dew Point: 45.0 F (7.2 C)
Relative Humidity: 40%
Pressure (altimeter): 29.56 in. Hg (1001 hPa)
Pressure tendency: rising rapidly

Yup. Just a couple days ago, it was almost freezing; today, it was in the
balmy 70s (Fahrenheit, that is).

A Ball of Wax is dropped on the Grid at (19,1).

Curt and Rod move thrice randomly, ending up at (2,5) and (18,18)
respectively.

This week's Colour Commentator is Naath.

I'm not yet ready to declare a state of Emergency, but there seems to be a
minor paradox in the rules: Wonko wants to Tackle Bean, which requires em
to occupy the same space as Bean. But Rule 301 explicitly forbids two
players to occupy the same space on the Grid. I'll re-read the relevant
rules a few more times and see if there's a legal way to resolve the
paradox.

...dave

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:20:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 9 (fwd)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Below are Congenital Optimist's votes for nweek 9...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:27:15 -0600 (CST)
From: Karin L. Kross <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Ballot, nweek 9

Yes > Proposal 429/2: Izing on the Cake (Glotmorf)

Yes > Proposal 431/2: Blip... Blip... (Wonko)

Yes > Proposal 432/3: Literary Criticism (Wonko)

No > Proposal 433/3: They're Everywhere! Part 2 (Wonko)

Yes > Proposal 434/2: Run, Run, As Fast As You Can! v2.0 (Wonko)

No > Proposal 435/0: Roller Gremlin (The Voice)

No > Proposal 445/0: You're STILL a Blowhard! (The Voice)

Yes > Proposal 446/0: Ohh, one of those "funky" windows... (The
Voice)

Yes > Proposal 448/2: Respect doesn't pay (Wonko)

No > Proposal 449/0: A little Wiggle room (Wonko)

Yes > Proposal 451/2: A Chilly Prospect (Wonko)

Yes > Proposal 452/2: Burn, baby, Burn! (Wonko)

Yes > Proposal 453/2: Anthologies (Wonko)

Yes > Proposal 454/0: Earth (Congenital Optimist)

Yes > Proposal 455/1: Like a fridge. (Uncle Psychosis)

Yes > Proposal 456/0: Respect (Wonko)

Yes > Proposal 457/1: Continued Next Nweek... (Glotmorf)

Yes > Proposal 458/0: How Far Will a Good Name and a Pretty Face
Take You? (Glotmorf)

Yes > Proposal 461/1: Cleaning Up My Own Damn Mess (The
Administrator)

Yes > Proposal 463/0: Piddling on the Fire of the Gods (Uncle
Psychosis)

-Congenital Optimist

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From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 9
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:46:30 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I hope these are in time, or are they due tomorrow? Don't answer that.

Proposal 429/2: Izing on the Cake (Glotmorf) - NO
Proposal 431/2: Blip... Blip... (Wonko) - YES
Proposal 432/3: Literary Criticism (Wonko) - YES
Proposal 433/3: They're Everywhere! Part 2 (Wonko) - YES
Proposal 434/2: Run, Run, As Fast As You Can! v2.0 (Wonko) - ABSTAIN
Proposal 435/0: Roller Gremlin (The Voice) - YES
Proposal 445/0: You're STILL a Blowhard! (The Voice) - YES
Proposal 446/0: Ohh, one of those "funky" windows... (The Voice) - YES
Proposal 448/2: Respect doesn't pay (Wonko) - YES
Proposal 449/0: A little Wiggle room (Wonko) - ABSTAIN
Proposal 451/2: A Chilly Prospect (Wonko) - YES
Proposal 452/2: Burn, baby, Burn! (Wonko) - YES
Proposal 453/2: Anthologies (Wonko) - NO
Proposal 454/0: Earth (Congenital Optimist) - YES
Proposal 455/1: Like a fridge. (Uncle Psychosis) - NO
Proposal 456/0: Respect (Wonko) - YES
Proposal 457/1: Continued Next Nweek... (Glotmorf) - YES
Proposal 458/0: How Far Will a Good Name and a Pretty Face Take You?
                 (Glotmorf) - YES
Proposal 461/1: Cleaning Up My Own Damn Mess (The Administrator) - YES
Proposal 463/0: Piddling on the Fire of the Gods (Uncle Psychosis) - NO

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:51:47 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Football fixes and passing
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A few proposals for your consideration:

PROPOSAL #1
=====
{{
__More Football Fixes__

Revise Rule 394, adding the sentence "This rule supercedes rule 301 in this 
regard" after the sentence "The player making the tackle immediately moves 
to the same location as the player being tackled."
}}

PROPOSAL #2
====={{
__Only running is boring III: Return of the Bean__

Create the following rule:
{{
__Pass! I'm open!__

If no player on eir team has already done so in the current nweek, the 
Player in posession of the Football may choose to Pass the Football.  To 
make a Pass, a player announces eir intention to do so in a public forum, 
and indicates a Player who is playing football to recieve the Pass.  If the 
indicated Player is able to recieve the Pass according to the rules, the 
Football is immediately placed in the posession of the recieving 
Player.  There are two types of Passes:  Forward Passes and Lateral Passes.

A Pass is a Forward Pass if and only if the recieving Player is closer to 
eir end-zone (measured using the x-coordinate) than the passing 
Player.  The recieving Player for a Forward Pass must be within 7 units of 
the Player making the Pass.  A Player may only make a Forward Pass if e is 
no closer to eir end-zone than the Line of Scrimmage for the current Drive.

All Passes which are not Forward passes are Lateral Passes.  The recieving 
Player of a Lateral Pass must be within 4 units of the Player making the Pass.
}}

}}

[[ Please keep in mind on this proposal that it is intended NOT to have 
interceptions yet.  We can add that next nweek or something.... hell, *you* 
could get the points for it by making the proposal yourself! ]]

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:25:43 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Typos
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mr. A...a few typos:

R5 was also revised by 463/0.

R468: "occuppied" should only have one "p".  Also, it should be "a Fire Gnome" rather than "an Fire Gnome".

R467: "occuppoed" should only have one "p".

						Glotmorf

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:28:07 -0500
From: "Donald Whytock" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: roster note
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Mr. A...Naath's title of "Colour Commentator" is not on the Roster.

						Glotmorf

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:48:00 +0000 (GMT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Naath Thabana?= <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: moving
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
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I enter the grid at (12,9)

Naath

==Like duct tape the force is, a light side and a dark side it has, holds the universe together it does, hmm.

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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:53:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: LOA
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I am now on Leave of Absence

Dan

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:10:02 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal - Gremlins
From: Daniel Lepage <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__The Gremlin Fund__

Append to rule 256 the following $$$$ delimited text:
$$$$
There exists an entity called the Gremlin Fund. Whenever a Gremlin is given
points, those points are immediately given to the Gremlin Fund. If a Gremlin
loses points, those points are taken from the Gremlin Fund. The Gremlin Fund
may never have fewer than 0 points.

Players may give points to the Gremlin Fund in the same manner as giving
points to other players.
$$$$

Remove the last section of rule 296.

In the last sentence of rule 296, replace the first occurrence of the words
"Scoring Gremlin" with "Gremlin Fund".

After the word 'points' in the second sentence of rule 297, add the text "to
the Gremlin Fund".

In rule 345, remove the last four words of the first section.
In rule 345, replace the second occurrence and the third to last occurrence
of the word "Luigi" with "Gremlin Fund". Replace the last occurence of the
word "his" with "The Gremlin Fund's".

After the word 'points' in the second sentence of rule 347, add the text "to
the Gremlin Fund".

In rule 400, replace the word 'drops' with 'buys' and 'onto' with 'on'.
}}

This gives all Gremlins a single fund that they all work out of. Cursing,
Bribing, etc. gives 'em more points; they lose points bcs of the Scoring
Gremlin, buying Rocks, etc.

--Wonko

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with
sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. "
- Galileo Galilei

Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 01:56:01 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Purina PIG Chow
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _Purina PIG Chow #1_

For being a real trooper, we respect Mr. A.

}}

{{ _Purina PIG Chow #2_

For being a real trooper, we respect Mr. A.

}}

{{ _Purina PIG Chow #3_

For being a real trooper, we respect Mr. A.

}}

{{ _Purina PIG Chow #4_

For being a real trooper, we respect Mr. A.

}}

{{ _Purina PIG Chow #5_

For being a real trooper, we respect Mr. A.

}}

And yes, I'll be voting in favor of at least one of these.  If everyone would like to chip in, I'd suggest #5.

BTW, after this, rule-changing proposals should be safe if the number of proposals is between 29 and 56.

						Glotmorf

Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:03:32 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: subsections
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _Append to Paragraph 47...or was that 48?_

Create a rule:

{{ _Subsections_

Rules can be organized into subsections for the sake of ease of reference and modification.  Primary subsections are identified by capital letters A through Z; secondary subsections are identified by numbers.  A nested subsection is referenced by stringing the layers of subsections together with periods ("."), e.g. A.1.15.3 is the third subsection of the fifteenth subsection of the first subsection of the primary subsection A.

Subsection identifiers within a given nesting level must be unique and in order, either alphabetically at the top level or numerically at a lower level; however, it is not required that they be an unbroken sequence within a level.

A subsection can contain any amount of text related to the rule, including multiple paragraphs, but should be in the form of complete sentences.

Subsections may also have individual text names.

}}

}}

Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:03:59 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: Mudslides
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _We Don't Need No Steenkin' Clee...*splat*_

In Rule 394, following the text "Trip and Fall." occurring in approximately the twelfth paragraph, add the following:

"If said same Player enters a Grid location containing Mud, there is a 50% chance that Player will Slip and Fall.  If said same Player enters a Grid location containing both Mud and a MO, there is a 25% chance of Tripping and Falling and a 50% chance of Slipping and Falling, with only a 25% chance of not Falling."

}}

Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:04:17 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Nomilogue #3
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{{ _DimSpace: the Final Frontier_

[[

I was more than coherent when the Old Man arrived the next night.  I was stone cold sober.  I had no idea what I'd walked into the previous night, and was determined to not be led down any more paths unless at least my eyes were open.  And unglazed.

As a result, I was drinking iced tea that evening.  The Old Man settled into my easy chair, and I brought him a glass.  He sipped at the drink, then gazed balefully at me over the rim.

"Johnny Walker Black," I said.  "The liquor store didn't have Laphroiag." (The manager had told me there was a store that carried it about 40 miles down the coast; I decided if the Old Man could invite himself to my house, he could invite himself to a liquor store too.)

He nodded and didn't comment.  I let him sit and sip for a bit before asking, "You said you'd have a proposition?"

He nodded again, reached into a vest pocket and pulled out an envelope.  He watched me carefully over his glass as I extracted a sheet of paper and read:

]]

{{ _DimShips_

There exists a type of object called a Dimensions Ship, also known as a DimShip.

A DimShip is capable of carrying a Player through DimSpace by taking on virtual dimensional values: Buoyancy (positive virtual value) and Ballast (negative virtual value).  A DimShip can take on Buoyancy or Ballast or a combination of the two, in any Dimension or combination of Dimensions.

A Player employing a DimShip does not travel to a specific location in DimSpace; rather, e displaces emself from eir current DimSpace location.

[[

He was still watching me when I looked up from the paper.  I knew what he was saying, and I didn't like it.

"You can't run a ship on charm and respect!"

"Your equations slander you, then," he replied, pulling out the other paper. "Perhaps you can point out their flaw?"

I grabbed the paper, recognizing my handwriting if not my handiwork.  I knew they were gibberish.  I'd been joking.  I'd been drunk...There was no flaw.  I sank slowly into my own chair as I re-read, reviewed, double-checked...There was no flaw.  If anything, it was some of the cleanest work I'd done in years.

"Mr. Morf?  Is there a problem with your work?"

There was no flaw.

"I want to know when it can be built, you see."

I looked up. "Built?  You want to make one?"  Realization settled in. "You want to *ride* one?"

"Of course.  What did you think I meant?"

"But...I...it..." I waved the paper at him. "This is nonsense!  A joke!"

The Old Man sat and sipped his scotch. "You have disproved your work, then?"

"Just because I don't see the flaw doesn't mean it's not there!"  I glared my irritation at him, then slapped the offending paper onto the coffeetable. "File.  I'll have my lab team look it over. They'll tell you if I can't."

He nodded. "You'll do a complete analysis, then?  Work up a design?"

"If possible.  Which it won't be.  Give me a week."

"I'll give you until tomorrow."

"It'll take them that long to stop laughing!  Three days, at least."

The Old Man considered a moment, then nodded. "Three days.  For analysis and preliminary design." I opened my mouth to protest further, and he added, "I will of course pay for the time."

My mouth opened and shut a couple times before I managed, "Priority rate?"

"What is the price of adventure?"

He was serious.  And while the lab was funded by active contracts (some of them his), one never turns down short-term work.  Before he could change his mind I flipped his proposal over, scribbled some basic legalese, and drew a line at the bottom.  He took my pen and signed.

"Three days?" he asked as he rose to leave.

I nodded stiffly. "Three days."

Three days went by.  My team laughed.  My team stopped laughing.  My team got to work.  I took a drive down the coast.

And the Old Man returned.

I settled him in the chair, and placed a bottle of Laphroiag and a glass at his elbow.  He nodded in approval and poured.  I produced a binder and sat across from him.

"First of all," I began, "the team confirmed your theory about ballast and buoyancy.  We were impressed with how it made everything work."

He smiled faintly and raised his glass to me.

"This preliminary analysis identifies specific limits." I turned to a page in the binder and showed it to him.

]]

Ballast and Buoyancy are each limited to 100.  Each can be set to as much as 100, even at the same time, for displacement in single or multiple dimensions.  That is, no matter how many dimensions Ballast is gathered for, total Ballast must be less than or equal to 100; same with Buoyancy.

[[

"As for the design..."

He waved it off with his glass. "I shall let you people worry about the design.  What is the bottom line?"

I turned to the last page and handed it over.

]]

The cost to produce a DimShip is 100 score.

}}

[[

He stiffened.  His face bulged.  He rose from his seat and exploded, "100 score!  Are you trying to bankrupt me?  Do you think I have that much idle cash?"

I met his eye. "What is the price of adventure?"

There was a long silence.  The Old Man's every muscle was tense.  Then he quietly asked, "And you can build it?"

"A prototyle, at least, yes."

The tension gradually bled out of him.  He gave a soft grunt. "Send me the paperwork in the morning."  I showed him to the door, and he left, muttering something about someone named Luigi.

When I returned to the living room I noticed the bottle of Laphroiag was gone.  Ah well.  What is the price of adventure?

]]

}}

Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:00:03 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Tuesday morning)
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Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ladies and gentlemen, we welcome you to "Dave's Really Late Night."

Re: the Tackling thing: I think Wonko's interpretation is the most correct
(not to be confused with "anything that makes sense"). So, here's what's
happens:

Wonko was at 13,14. Eir move to (13,11) would be illegal, because that
move would've placed em at Bean's location, while Bean still occupied it.

Bean subsequently Ran to (12,13).

Fortunately, that still leaves Wonko in range for a Tackle (though no
players actually come into contact with one another, so it's apparently a
Telekinetic Tackle).

This places the Football under the control of The Voice (the member of
Team Crimson most distant from that team's endzone).

If I've misread my move history or anything, please correct me ASAP.

Anyway.

Bean's latest batch o' proposals comes forth: "More Football Fixes" is
470/0, "Only running is boring III" is 471/0.

Rectifications: the revision history of Rule 5, and "occuppied" is Rules
467 and 468, per Glotmorf.

Naath chooses a Gender and leaps upon The Grid.

Dan is on a Leave of Absence.

"The Gremlin Fund" is 472/0. (Is it your intent that points currently
owned by Gremlins be added to the Fund initially? If so, you should state
this, otherwise the Scoring Gremlin will have some points e'll never be
able to use.)

I am unable to recognize "Purina PIG Chow" Numbers 1 through Whatever
because none of them name a player. "Mr. A" is not the name of any
player... even if I make the arrogant assumption that I'm "Mr. A", well,
I'm *still* not a player.

"Append to Paragraph 47..." is 473/0.

"We Don't Need No Steenkin' Clee... *splat*" is 474/0.

Dear God... it's another Nomilogue. "DimSpace: The Final Frontier" is
475/0.

I believe that's everything.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
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"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:12:27 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: New Rule: Siren Bait
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{{ _Oh Baby, You SHOULDN'T Have!_

[[

There was no sound, except for the gentle lapping of the waves on the rock.

A latex-gloved hand emerged from the water and gripped the rock, then another.  The diver's head emerged; he raised his mask and looked around.

Satisfied, he pulled himself onto the rock, and reached for a plastic bag.  Inside the bag was another plastic bag; the bag inside that one was leather, and marked YSL.

He gazed at the bag a moment, skepticism mixing with hope in the small part of his face that showed out of the suit.  He opened the tote and pulled out a piece of paper; he read the legend again to reassure himself.

]]

{{ _Siren Bait_

There exist Yves St. Laurent Designer Bags Filled with Expensive Name-brand Cosmetics, also known as Siren Bait.  Players can buy Siren Bait for 10 points.

A Player can place Siren Bait on a Big Rock not otherwise occupied by a Siren if e is standing next to it.  Beginning with the following nweek, at the beginning of each nweek until the Bait is taken or ruined, 1d(3*N) is rolled, where N is the number of nweeks since the Bait was placed.  If a 1 is rolled, the Bait is taken, and a Siren moves onto the Rock.

If the Bait is not taken within 1d5 nweeks of being placed, the Bait becomes ruined from exposure and is destroyed.

}}

[[

He read it through one more time before crumpling the paper and casting it away.  He closed the tote, placed it into a nicely centered position, and eased himself back into the water.  Turning his back on the rock, he struck out toward shore.

"Hey!  Cool bag!"

He froze, shock coursing through him.  Then he kicked hard, hoping he could get out of range of her voice...

"Wow, lookit all this neat stuff!  Is this for ME?  Oh, baby, you SHOULDN'T have!"

He knew he was risking cramps with the frantic energy he poured into his strokes, but aching for days in bed was better than eternity where he was...

"Why, THANK you!  At least let me sing for you...?"

Her voice was faint in his ears, especially with the splashing of his arms and legs.  He thought he would make it...and then the instrumentals from her backup band started...heavy bass and percussion.

And then...her voice?  Could that be her?  That constipated-sounding pubescent voice groaning, "I think I did it again..."  How could *anyone* be entranced by that?  He turned back to look...

Blonde hair...

Blue eyes...

A smile bigger than her face...

Other things bigger still...

Eventually there was no sound, except for the gentle lapping of the waves.  And the dripping of his drool.

]]

}}

Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:52:26 -0600 (CST)
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: B Nomic Business <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: Cheerleaders
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Create a new rule as follows:

{{

__Rah, Rah, Sis Boom Bah!__

"Cheerleader" is a Title.  The Title "Cheerleader" may be held by 
any player who is not on a Football team, or who does not already 
hold the title of "Color Commentator".

To become a Cheerleader, a player must announce eir intention to 
become a Cheerleader in a public forum.  E must also announce 
the team (Turquoise or Crimson) for which e wishes to be a 
Cheerleader.

A Cheerleader must periodically post team cheers in the public 
forum.  Imitation of actual American football cheerleaders is a 
necessity.

}}

-- 
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"Luckily, right at that moment, an unconscious Argentinian 
 fell through my roof!"      --Christian in "Moulin Rouge"

Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:06:16 -0600 (CST)
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: B Nomic Business <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal amendment
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{

[[Because Glotmorf has convinced me, and because I just noticed 
a little problem that I want to fix...]]

Amend the following paragraph from __Rah, Rah, Sis Boom Bah!__ 

> The Title "Cheerleader" may be held by any player who is not on
> a Football team, or who does not already hold the title of
> "Color Commentator".

to read as follows:

{{
The title "Cheerleader" may be held by any player who is neither 
a Football Player nor a current Color Commentator.  Players who 
formerly held the title of Color Commentator may become 
Cheerleaders.
}}

and add to the end of the proposal:

{{
A Cheerleader is not eligible to be a Color Commentator, unless 
e renounces eir title of Cheerleader. 
}}

}}

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From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: AHHHHHHHHH!!!
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:13:57 -0500
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{{ __Cover your Ears!__

Create a new rule entitled __The AAAHHH! Gremlin__ with the following
.o0 delimited text:

.o0
There exists a Gremlin known as the AAAHHH! Gremlin.  If, at any point, 
there are no Gremlins in Hiding, the AAAHHH! Gremlin makes a Primal Scream.  
If the AAAHHH! Gremlin makes a Primal Scream, a random number of random 
Gremlins go into Hiding.  If more than half of the number of Gremlins are 
active, the AAAHHH! Gremlin becomes Active.  If not, the AAAHHH! Gremlin 
goes into Hiding.
.o0

}}

If anyone has a suggestion about getting a random number of Gremlins from 
the Gremlin number, it would be appreciated. (Yet another thing I really 
didn't understand.)

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From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: Runaway!!
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:04:11 -0500
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[[ What?  Huh?? **SMACK**  Oh crap!  The ball! ]]

I run to (13,9).
I think.
I still don't get how this running metric works.

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From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: Entropy
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:19:00 -0500
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Yeah, negative entropy is fine... Delta S can be negative (for all you 
chemistry nerds out there like me).

{{ __Making up for the Past__

Set all players' Entropy values to 10.

}}

Well... we did make the game pretty interesting before Entropy existed, so 
we gotta account for that, right?  This doesn't put us too close to the 
"Nomiverse Shut-Down Button," so it seemed pretty reasonable to me.

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:09:28 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Sorry about this...
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Replace Proposal 473 in its entirety with the following:

{{ _If It's Not Worth Reading At All, It's Not Worth Reading Well_

[[

We were assembling the prototype when I got the message.  It was a delicate job, and I was suddenly not a very delicate person, so I handed the work off to Bob and set off downtown.

I marched into the Society's office.  The same secretary was there...all 300 pounds of her, scowling into a paperback.  I noticed this time the name plaque I'd overlooked before: Ursula Major.

Her same attitude was there too. "Yeah?"

I waved the message at her.  "Miss Major...I just heard about this new payment policy."

"Yeah?"

"The readers are going to determine my pay?"

"Yeah."

"You can't be serious!"

At that she finally looked up at me.  She looked serious.

I faltered under that gaze.  "I mean...it's...This is a scientific journal!  I'm not writing for entertainment!"

"You're submitting in prose form, right?"

"Well...yeah..."

"Prose form's supposed to be entertaining.  People read it for entertainment.  They don't get entertained, they don't read.  And we don't get paid money for paying you."

"Where does it say I have to be entertaining?"

She pulled a huge dictionary from somewhere in her desk, slammed it down in front of me, and turned to the definition of "story."

"But the policy says story or narrative!"

She picked up a pen and a submission guideline brochure and made some changes:

]]

Perform the following changes to _Prose Forms_, Rule 438:

In the first paragraph, replace the text "or narrative" with "(defined in Webster's Unabridged Dictionary as, 'a narrative, either true or fictitious, in prose or verse, designed to interest, amuse or instruct the hearer or reader; a tale')"

[[

"Happy now?"

I sighed. "Fine.  I can see you're not budging on that.  But you're still using this reader poll...you're letting people say they don't want my article at all, but you're still asking for their rating.  They're not going to give it a fair rating if they don't approve of it at all!"

She shrugged and made another change.

]]

In the second paragraph, insert after the text "other than the proponent" the text "who voted in favor of the proposal."

[[

She placed the annotated brochure in her out-basket and turned back to her book.  "I'll submit this to the editors for consideration," she droned.  "Anything else?"

"I...Well, I'm still unhappy about this whole thing!"

"Noted.  Have a nice day."

]]

}}

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:16:10 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: New Rule: Subsections again
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As for subsections...

{{ _Append to Paragraph 47... or was that 48?_

Create a rule: 

{{ _Subsections_ 

Rules can be organized into subsections for the sake of ease of reference and modification. Primary subsections are identified by capital letters A through Z; secondary subsections are identified by numbers. A nested subsection is referenced by stringing the layers of subsections together with periods ("."), e.g. A.1.15.3 is the third subsection of the fifteenth subsection of the first subsection of the primary subsection A. 

Subsection identifiers within a given nesting level must be unique and in order, either alphabetically at the top level or numerically at a lower level; however, it is not required that they be an unbroken sequence within a level. 

A subsection can contain any amount of text related to the rule, including multiple paragraphs, but should be in the form of complete sentences. 

Subsections may also have individual text names. 

}}

}}

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 02:55:29 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: New Rule: Beer Cans
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Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _What's Football without Beer?_

[[

"HOT DOGS!  GETCHER HOT DOGS!"

There's nothing like watching an exciting football game.  And this was nothing like it.  If the ball had been a seed it would have sprouted by now.

"HOT DOGS!  PLUMP AND JUICY!  COLD BEER!"

Perhaps it was because the teams were so small and the field was so big, but the game simply didn't seem to be going anywhere.  Or the ball...Bean was making some yardage, but got hit hard, and the other team was working on undoing his progress.

"HOT DOGS!  COLD BEER!  EASY FINANCING TERMS!"

Huh...?

I looked, and sure enough, there was Luigi selling hot dogs.  Pinstripe suit, pointy shoes, a little paper hat and a much larger gremlin behind him with the tray.

"Hey Luigi!  Gimme a hot dog!"

He turned and looked me up and down. "Youse can afford it?"

"Sure."

"Not interested.  HOT DOGS!  GETCHER HOT DOGS!"

I sighed and sat down.  I thought about getting the Witch to turn him into a vulture...but realized that perhaps that had already happened.

At least there was some movement on the grid...My field glasses picked out Wonko, stalking around in a small area.  The radar dish on his helmet was sweeping in circles, occasionally pausing, then sweeping again.  I still wondered at how the commission allowed football players to treasure-hunt in the middle of a game; players must get truly terrible pay.  Following every sweep of the dish, Wonko looked like the stringbeans with the metal detectors at the beach, excitiedly digging up every bottle cap.

Radar...Wasn't there something about radar in World War II?  I dug out my PDA and checked out a history page.  Yes...tinfoil.  Japanese planes would drop bits of tinfoil to confuse radar.  The reflective metal would show up hot and bright on the screens.

Well, I didn't have any tinfoil.  Perhaps if I could actually get a hot dog out of Luigi I could use the wrapper...but it wouldn't have enough weight for throwing.  On the other hand...

"Hey Luigi!  Gimme a beer!"

"Youse can afford it?"

"Well, yeah, but..."

"Then whaddaya doin' at a crummy football game?  Ya lousy upper-middle with all yer money...Why ain't'cha at the Opera, drinkin' bubbly with the hoi polloi?"

"Because you can't throw things at the Opera."

He blinked.  "Throw things?"

"Yeah, throw things.  C'mon, Luigi, gimme a beer."

He thought about it a moment, then nodded to the goon, who handed me a can.  I chugged the contents in one smooth motion, crumpled the can, wound up and sent it flying in an arc onto the grid near Wonko.

"He see you do it?"  Luigi asked.

"Nope.  This should be good."

The can splatted into the mud.  The dish on Wonko's helmet whipped around, and Wonko with it.  Luigi and I watched as he frantically scooped at the mud...

The look on his face when he found the can simply couldn't be bought.

Luigi wheezed a laugh through his nose. "Heh-heh.  That's funny.  Ain't that funny, Guido?"

"Dat funny, boss."

"Heh-heh, yeah, that's really funny." He held out a hand. "Five points for the beer."

Oh, what the hell. "Put it on my tab."

"Now, that's the sorta thing I like to hear.  Guido, give the kid a hot dog.  On the house to a new customer."

I settled on the bench eating my hot dog as I sent off a recommendation to the game commission...

]]

Create a new rule:

{{ _Beer Cans_

Players who are in Limbo can buy Beer for five points.  Drinking the Beer gives them a Beer Can.  A Beer Can is a passable MO.  Beer Cans can be thrown from Limbo onto the Grid, from one Grid location to another, or from a Grid location into Limbo.  A Player who possesses a Beer Can can also Dispose Of It Properly, thus destroying it.

A Beer Can cannot be seen when it is on the Grid and not being carried by a Player, unless a Player is in the same location as the Beer Can.  A Beer Can does cause a radar blip similar to (and similarly unidentifiable as) a Shiny Thing or a Dark Thing.

To throw a Beer Can at a Grid location, a Player privately communicates to the Administrator that e is throwing a Beer Can and where e wants it to land.

}}

[[

There, I thought as I hit "send".  That should make things more interesting for the spectators.

]]

}}

From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: objection
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:07:01 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I object to the Administrator's statement that my Entropy is negative.  Rule 
440 states,

"At the end of each nweek, each player's Entropy shall increase by an amount 
equal to the sum of the increase in eir charm for that nweek and 1/2 the 
number of game actions (movements, purchases, throws, etc.)taken during that 
nweek."

As my charm did not increase (one proposal passed, two failed), my net 
INCREASE in charm should be zero.  Therefore, I should not have lost 
Entropy.

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:06:06 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: The Gremlin Fund
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Alrighty, then:

In my proposal entitled "The Gremlin Fund", do the following:

Replace the first occurrence of the word section after the third $$$$ with
paragraph.

Replace the sentence:

In the last sentence of rule 296, replace the first occurrence of the words
"Scoring Gremlin" with "Gremlin Fund".

with:

Replace the first occurrences of the words "Scoring Gremlin" in each of the
last two sentences of rule 296 with "Gremlin Fund"

Replace the word "second" in:

In rule 345, replace the second occurrence and the third to last occurrence
of the word "Luigi" with "Gremlin Fund".

with "fourth".

Add the sentence:

Transfer all Gremlins' points to the Gremlin Fund.

--Wonko

"A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems."
- Paul Erdos

From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: fixes, proposal
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:04:04 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ok, fine.  At the request of my fellow players (Nods to Glotmorf, Wild 
Card), I have a fix and a proposal.

First of all, in the proposal titled __Cover Your Ears!__, replace the 
string "a random number of random gremlins" with "1dN random Gremlins, where 
N is the current number of Gremlins"

Second of all,

{{ __Second Law of Thermodynomics v2.0__

In rule 440, replace the string:

"increase in eir charm for that nweek"

with:

"number of proposals e had on the ballot for that nweek which passed"

}}

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From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The 5-Star General Gremlin
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:15:03 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{__That's Gremlin, SIR, to you, Soldier!__

Create a new rule entitled __The 5-Star General Gremlin__ with the following 
-0- delimited text:

-0-
There exists a gremlin known as the 5-Star General Gremlin, also known as 
Sir.  Any player may give Sir 5 points to have Sir Order another Gremlin 
Around.  If Sir Orders a Gremlin Around, that Gremlin automatically makes 3 
moves along the path which would take em to the player who gave Sir 5 points 
with the fewest moves.  If a majority of Gremlins are in Hiding, or if Sir 
has Ordered another Gremlin Around 3 times since he was last in Hiding, e 
goes into Hiding for 1 nweek.
-0-

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:18:36 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: The Players Fight Back
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
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{{
__Damn Spectators!__

[[
BEEP! BEEP!

The sound set my heart racing. After three nweeks of searching, finally I
had found one of the Grid's hidden treasures!

I dove eagerly in the direction my radar was pointing and started digging.
Fortunately, the turf there wasn't any of the new Grid substances, just the
old mass-produced generic stuff. My pocketknife cut through it like, well,
like a pocketknife cutting through Grid. This is it, I thought, I'm gonna be
rich!

It wasn't that I exactly needed the money. In fact, after some successful
ventures in the third nweek, I had become one of the wealthiest people in
the entire Game. On the other hand, if there's one thing 6 nweeks of playing
had taught me, it was that if you don't seize every opportunity by the
throat, someone else will seize it for you. Much as I love seeing my fellow
players get ahead in the nworld, I like even more seeing myself get ahead.

I tossed aside all sorts of debris as I dug deeper into the earth... A few
rocks... a beer can... an old newspaper... deeper... a boot... some sort of
hat... deeper... With a sudden shock I realized my radar was no longer
pointing at the ground where I was digging. Now it pointed back at the
debris I'd thrown aside!

Perhaps my radar was busted  I'd hit Bean pretty hard, and telekinesis
tended to be hard on headwear. I tapped it a few times, checked all the
connections; no change, pointing straight at the pile. Maybe the Shiny
Things were smaller than I'd thought; could I really have dug right past it?

I started moving the pile back into the hole. The boot... the newspaper...
the beer can... My radar was pointing back at the hole.
"What the hell?" I said. I picked up the boot and the beer can. My radar
swung to point at my hands.

I dropped the boot. No change. I looked closely at the beer can. It was an
NWeiser can, with the cheesy label showing the Frog Gnomes. Nothing outside
it... I shook it. No sound. Either these Shiny Things were much, much
smaller than I'd thought, or... I'd been tricked.

I looked around, to see who might have done it. Not Bean  e was out cold,
and had been for some time. Iain? Probably not - e hadn't been moving much
lately. The Voice, perhaps? But e was on my team... surely e wouldn't do
something like that. I looked closely at em. No, I thought, e's too busy
playing Football; it's always a giddy experience when you first get the
Ball. Who else could have done it? There were a few Gnomes, and the Witch,
all lounging about nearby, but none of them had the imagination to pull
something like that. And it couldn't have been the Yeti- in this weather all
it was good for was cowering up in Limbo. Wait a minute... Limbo...?

I looked up into Limbo, certain of what I'd see ther. Sure enough, there
were Glotmorf and Luigi, eating hot dogs and laughing at me like crazed
hyenas. At that moment one of Luigi's hired goons dropped a hot dog. As
Glotmorf was distracted, watching Luigi rant at the thug, I took aim and
chucked the can with all my might.

CLANG!

A perfect shot - center of the forehead. I hope it hurt.

I pulled out my palm pilot and sent off a quick mail to GamCom:
]]
If a rule entitled "Beer Cans" exists, append the following paragraph to it:

If a player on the Grid possessess a Beer Can, e may throw it at any player
in Limbo. When a Beer Can is thrown at a player in Limbo, that player may,
within 2 ndays of the throw, Dodge the Beer Can. If e does not, the Beer Can
hits em and is destroyed, and e loses 1d3 points to the player who threw the
Beer Can. Otherwise, the Beer Can is destroyed.

[[
That should fix 'em.
]]
}}

--Wonko

"If you can't get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you'd best teach it to
dance."
- George Bernard Shaw

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1024 chickens?"
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:54:19 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Drunkeness
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
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{{
__I'm not as thunk as you drink I am!__

Append to the rule entitled "Beer Cans" the following **** delimited text:
****
Blood-Alcohol Content, or BAC, is a Dimension. Whenever a player drinks a
Beer, eir BAC increases by 1. At the end of each nweek, the BAC of each
player with a positive BAC decreases by 1. If a player's BAC is greater than
5, e is said to be Inebriated.
****

Create:
{{
__The Goon Gremlin__

There exists a Gremlin known as the Goon Gremlin, or Guido. If Guido is
Active and in Limbo, and an Inebriated player in Limbo makes a proposal, 1d8
is rolled. On a 2 or 3, Guido Smacks that player, taking 4 of eir points. On
a 1, Guido Throws that player in Elbonian Airways style at a random square
of the Grid which is at least 3 squares away from any border of the grid.
}}
}}

--Wonko

"Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't
cure. "
- Ross MacDonald

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: Nifty News 50 Special Report
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:46:36 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__The Riot Police__

[[
"I'm Joe Smetson, reporting in from The Grid-o-dome, where a riot broke out 
this afternoon during a football game. Apparantly, the riot began when an 
enraged fan lept from Limbo onto the field, attacking a player there. A 
brawl quckly escalated, and the police were soon called in. The scene here 
is utter chaos, as squads of Police Gremlins try to quell the riot, which 
appears to have merged with an anarchist barbecue and picnic and the crowd 
leaving Skippy's Bar happy hour. Not a good combination. There are beer cans 
everywhere, some spinning across the street as foam spouts from them, 
propelling them like alcoholic bottle rockets. Wait, a new development- It 
appears that Luigi, kingpin of point loans in Bville, has started a street 
war with the police. There are ankles being bitten everywhere as... HEY! GET 
OFF! OW OW OW! *wham* Take that, you little piece of... oh, we're still 
filming? Uh... Anyway, the police have issued this statement."

]]
Create a new rule which reads:

{{__The Police Gremlin__

There exists a Gremlin known as the Police Gremlin, or Copper. If Beer Cans 
exist, and one is thrown, and Copper is within one space of the person who 
threw it before it hits, Copper apprehends the player who threw the can. 
When Copper apprehends a player for throwing a Beer Can, Copper takes 1dN 
points from that player, where N is ((the thrower's BAC + 1)(the number of 
times the thrower has been apprehended before + 1))/(that player's Respect + 
1), rounded up, and gives half that number of points, rounded up, to the 
Gremlin Fund, and half that number of points, rounded down, to the player 
who was hit with the Beer Can.

Any player may, at any time, any number of times per nweek, move Copper one 
space in any direction by paying 1 point/space.

If Copper does not apprehend any players for 2 nweeks, e goes into Hiding. 
If a Beer Can is thrown, and e is in Hiding, e comes out of Hiding.
}}

[[
"God damn, those things have SHARP teeth... oh, can we edit that out? I'll 
start again. Here we go.

"So, as can be seen, the police are dedicated to getting this riot under 
control, accepting bribes wherever and whenever possible. This is Joe 
Smetson, from The Grid-o-dome."
]]

                                           -BvS-

"Your point is if you light a match near your calculator, it's not going to 
scurry away.
It's all relative. A big fire for Deep Blue, a little match for a little 
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 04:05:33 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Wednesday evening)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I've been doing more little tiny updates on the administrative code part
of the Web site -- hopefully, nothing is heinously broken. (I'll find out
with this latest batch of proposals, I expect.)

The Weather is updated (technically it should have been updated yesterday,
but I was working a whole lot and besides, yesterday's weather was
substantially identical).

St. Louis, Lambert-St. Louis International Airport, MO, United States
(KSTL) 38-45-09N 090-22-25W 171M
Mar 20, 2002 - 07:53 PM EST / 2002.03.21 0053 UTC
Wind: from the E (080 degrees) at 6 MPH (5 KT):0
Visibility: 9 mile(s):0
Sky conditions: mostly clear
Temperature: 42.1 F (5.6 C)
Dew Point: 35.1 F (1.7 C)
Relative Humidity: 75%
Pressure (altimeter): 30.23 in. Hg (1023 hPa)

"Oh Baby, You SHOULDN'T Have!" is 476/0.

"Cheerleaders" is 477/0. And 477/1.

"Cover your Ears!" is 478/0.

The Voice, apparently startled by the ball, queues a move.

"Making up for the Past" is 479/0.

473 gets an overhaul: "If It's Not Worth Reading At All, It's Not Worth
Reading Well" is 473/1.

The proosal formerly known as 473 comes back for some odd reason: "Append
to Paragraph 47... or was that 48?" is 480/0.

I just realized that my attempt to lighten my load isn't helping...
Basically, I cut'n'paste proposals from my email into a Web form.
Previously, I'd have to go through the text of a proposal and manually
insert linebreaks. Now, the linebreaks go in automatically, but since a
Web page is usually wider than an email, I have to go in and delete a
bunch of linebreaks that are where they shouldn't be instead. This kinda
sucks.

"What's Football without Beer?" is 481/0.

I concur with the mathematics argument about "negative increases in
Entropy," since that's exactly what I thought when I did it. Absent a CFJ,
the negative entropy stands.

"The Gremlin Fund" is revised (472/1). Please look it over and make sure I
got the revisions right.

"Cover your Ears!" is revised (478/1).

"Second Law of Thermodynomics v2.0" is 482/0.

"That's Gremlin, SIR, to you, Soldier!" is 483/0.

"Damn Spectators!" is 484/0.

"I'm not as thunk as you drink I am!" is 485/0.

"The Riot Police" is 486/0.

This whole literature thing is getting out of hand. :-)

Remember, voting starts tomorrow! Get those proposals in, people! (Unless
you're Glotmorf, who's already hit the bandwidth limit, even with the
Token of Proposals.)

...dave

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:19:31 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Wednesday evening)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 3/21/02 at 4:05 AM David E. Smith wrote:

>"I'm not as thunk as you drink I am!" is 485/0.

Mr. A...You have this proposal listed as being authored by you instead of Wonko.

						Glotmorf

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 03:12:41 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Mom?  Where's my jersey?
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, I wanted to throw out the first beer can of the season, but what the hey.

I enter the Grid at (10,10).

I pick up the King Gremlin.

I throw the King Gremlin at Iain.

I join Team Turquoise.

I tackle The Voice.

I move to (9,9).

						Glotmorf

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:03:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel Lepage <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal - Throwing
To: [email-masked]
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{{
__The Hell With That__

In rule 355, remove the words "assuming the target is
within 7 units of the thrower".
}}

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:07:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel Lepage <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal - Football & Things
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__Hunting for Treasure__

In rule 394, replace:
"If after a player runs, e occupies the same location
as a Shiny Thing or a Scary Dark Thing the effects
described in rule 301 do not occur."

With:
"If after a player runs, e occupies the same location
as a Shiny Thing or a Scary Dark Thing, eir score
changes by only 1/5 of the amount defined in rule
301."
}}

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To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: Happy New nyear!
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:10:33 +0000
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ 
__Happy New nYear!__

Change the name of rule 3 to be {{Ntime}}.

Add to the end of Rule 3:

 {{
A period of 10 nweeks is known as an nyear.  A period of 10 wweeks is
known as a wyear.  Hence the first 10 nweeks (0-9 on the Clock)
comprise nyear 0, the second (10-19 on the Clock) comprise nyear 1 and
so on.
 }}

Create a rule titled __Happy New nYear!__ {* Alcoholic, 2 *}
 {{
The first nday of each nyear is New nYear's nDay.  To mark the New
nYear each player may post a message in a public forum requesting one
alcoholic beverage of their choice.  E then receive one unit of
this beverage, which must be rule defined, regardless of any
restrictions other rules may specify on the creation of such items.
A player may only request their free alcoholic beverage during the
first nweek of the nyear.

The last two paragraphs of this rule delete themselves at the end of
nweek 11.

For the purpose of claiming a free alcoholic beverage nweek 11 is
considered to be the first nweek of the year. [[Better late than never!]]
 }}

Create a rule titles __Cheers!__ {* Alcoholic, 1 *}
 {{
Glasses of Champagne are an alcoholic beverage, with a natural unit of
one glass.  A player may drink a glass of champagne by announcing that
e is doing so in a public forum, this causes it to be destroyed.  When
a player drinks a glass of champagne e gains 1d5 Style points, but at
the end of the nweek e will attempt to stagger one square on the grid
in a random square (if they are unable to do so for whatever reason e
will remain where e was, but will look rather silly).
 }}

If proposal 481 passed add to the rule it created the keyword
 {{Alcoholic}}.  

If proposal 481 passed add to the end of the rule it created:

 {{
Beer is an alcoholic beverage, with a natural unit of one Beer Can.
 }}

}}

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:55:29 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Football again
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
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Rename my proposal entitled "Hunting for Treasure" to "Football Players are
People Too!" and append to it the following && delimited text:
&&
And the text:
"Players playing Football may not use Elbonian Airways. Players playing
Football may not use Curt and Rod to move as specified in rule 402."

With:
"Players playing Football may only use Elbonian Airways to fly at a square
within 7 units of them. The player holding the Football may not use Elbonian
Airways at all. A Player playing Football may not use Curt and Rod to move
as specified in rule 402 unless e is not carrying the football and the
football is at least 7 squares away from eir destination."

Finally, increase rule 394's Chutzpah by 2.
&&

Every time I watch football, I think about how cool it would be if the field
had conveyor belts, flame jets, flying blades, quicksand, teleporters, and
other such items of interest. So I'm opposed to these become completely
inoperational for football players. After all, football players are people
too!

--Wonko

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with
sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. "
- Galileo Galilei

From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: fix
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:12:23 -0500
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In the proposal entitled, __Spring my Arse!__, replace the string (9,9) with 
the string (10,10).

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From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: Yeti
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:11:32 -0500
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{{__Spring my Arse!__

Place the Yeti on the Grid at (9,9).

}}

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:29:57 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Last fix
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
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In my proposal entitled "The Gremlin Fund", add at the end the following 2
paragraphs:

If a rule entitled __Beer Cans__ exists, after the string "can buy Beer" add
the text " from Luigi"

Append to rule 400 the sentence "When Rocky buys a Big Rock, it only pays
one-third, rounded down, of what the Rock would normally cost."

There, that can keep Rocky going.

--Wonko

"Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't
cure. "
- Ross MacDonald

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:57:14 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 10 (and more recognitions)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I fixed 485 to reflect its correct authorship (oops).

Glotmorf enters the Grid, joins Team Turquiose, lobs the King Gremlin at
Iain, tackles The Voice. Eir move is NOT queued because you can't move
after a tackle.

"The Hell With That" is 487/0.

"Hunting for Treasure" is 488/0.

"Happy New nYear!" is 489/0.

488 is revised to "Football Players are People Too!" (488/1).

"Spring my Arse!" is 490/0. (Since I got the change before I got the
original proposal, the /0 version contains the requested revision.)

"The Gremlin Fund" is revised again (472/2).

Which gives us the following ballot for nweek 10:

Proposal 464/0: Falling out of grace. (Uncle Psychosis)
Proposal 465/0: The Golden-Armed Gremlin (The Voice)
Proposal 470/0: More Football Fixes (Bean)
Proposal 471/0: Only running is boring III: Return of the Bean (Bean)
Proposal 472/2: The Gremlin Fund (Wonko)
Proposal 473/1: If It's Not Worth Reading At All, It's Not Worth Reading
		Well (Glotmorf)
Proposal 474/0: We Don't Need No Steenkin' Clee... *splat* (Glotmorf)
Proposal 475/0: DimSpace: The Final Frontier (Glotmorf)
Proposal 476/0: Oh Baby, You SHOULDN'T Have! (Glotmorf)
Proposal 477/1: Cheerleaders (Congenital Optimist)
Proposal 478/1: Cover your Ears! (The Voice)
Proposal 479/0: Making up for the Past (The Voice)
Proposal 480/0: Append to Paragraph 47... or was that 48? (Glotmorf)
Proposal 481/0: What's Football without Beer? (Glotmorf)
Proposal 482/0: Second Law of Thermodynomics v2.0 (The Voice)
Proposal 483/0: That's Gremlin, SIR, to you, Soldier! (The Voice)
Proposal 484/0: Damn Spectators! (Wonko)
Proposal 485/0: I'm not as thunk as you drink I am! (Glotmorf)
Proposal 486/0: The Riot Police (Baron von Skippy)
Proposal 487/0: The Hell With That (Wonko)
Proposal 488/1: Football Players are People Too! (Wonko)
Proposal 489/0: Happy New nYear! (Wild Card)
Proposal 490/0: Spring my Arse! (The Voice)

Oh yeah, there's a couple of past-due CFJs. I'll be cleaning those up
shortly.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
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a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:10:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Reassigned CFJs
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following players are added to the List of Misbehaving Judges:

Iain (for CFJ 430)
Congenital Optimist (for CFJ 444)
Uncle Psychosis (for CFJ 447)
Naath (for CFJ 459)
Rob (for CFJ 462)

Each of those players is also penalized 10 points (those that have ten
points are, at least).

On the upshot, Baron von Skippy is removed from the LMJ. You've done your
time, friend.

Those CFJs, even though they're mostly moot at this stage, are reassigned
thusly:

430 is assigned to Bean
444 is assigned to Wild Card
447 is assigned to Baron von Skippy
459 is assigned to Scoff!
462 is assigned to Wonko

Remember, since these are by-and-large moot points, judging them
"Undecided" is probably an acceptable option.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
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a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:19:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Reassigned CFJs
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, David E. Smith wrote:
> 430 is assigned to Bean

Well, I submitted an amicus brief on this case, and now I'm the judge...
that works out nicely.

I judge FALSE on CFJ 430.  And if you want the reason, go see my amicus
brief. (Basically, objected-to statements don't dissapear)

Bean

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:37:08 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: catching up!
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Bean has whipped out a ruling on CFJ 430.

I got round to resolving the tackle: Glotmorf tele-tackles The Voice,
forcing the Football back into the hands of Bean. (Neither Glotmorf nor
The Voice will move at the end of this nweek.)

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:49:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: catching up!
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, David E. Smith wrote:
> Bean has whipped out a ruling on CFJ 430.

The fastest gavel in the west.  Or the east... I'm more east than west you
see.....

> I got round to resolving the tackle: Glotmorf tele-tackles The Voice,
> forcing the Football back into the hands of Bean. (Neither Glotmorf nor
> The Voice will move at the end of this nweek.)

I'm going to contend that because Wonko said "as soon as moves are
processed" when he tackled me that it happened last nweek.... because the
moves actually happened last nweek. (I'm gonna have to fix that bug I
think... though with more players it shouldn't matter)  That means I can
move this nweek.

In light of my contention, I run to (9, 13).

Bean

From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Rob n' the Scarf
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:30:22 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I believe that Rob should be penalized for failing to award the scarf this 
nweek.

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:36:36 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Ruling - 462
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
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Seems to me that any answer but FALSE would be a contradiction... Also seems
to me that this CFJ is completely useless, and that it would be nice if
people could find ways to point out holes without filling the CFJ page with
meaningless CFJs.

I judge CFJ 462 to be FALSE.

--Wonko

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with
sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. "
- Galileo Galilei

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:57:50 -0500
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 10 (and more recognitions)
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
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Quoth David E. Smith,

> I fixed 485 to reflect its correct authorship (oops).
Umm... but Glotmorf didn't write 485... I did...

> Which gives us the following ballot for nweek 10:
> 
> Proposal 464/0: Falling out of grace. (Uncle Psychosis)
Abstain
> Proposal 465/0: The Golden-Armed Gremlin (The Voice)
No. It needs to know not to throw things onto, say, Big Rocks.
> Proposal 470/0: More Football Fixes (Bean)
No. I don't think it quite works; It allows players to be moved to each
other's locations, but once they're there it no longer has anything to do
with them, so rule 301 kicks in again. Then we have an ambiguity.
> Proposal 471/0: Only running is boring III: Return of the Bean (Bean)
Yes
> Proposal 472/2: The Gremlin Fund (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 473/1: If It's Not Worth Reading At All, It's Not Worth Reading
> Well (Glotmorf)
Yes
> Proposal 474/0: We Don't Need No Steenkin' Clee... *splat* (Glotmorf)
Yes
> Proposal 475/0: DimSpace: The Final Frontier (Glotmorf)
No. If I'm 'displaced' from my current location, then where I end up becomes
my current location. So if I have a dimship with buoyancy 1 in the Score
direction, I instantly win. (And then, 'cuz I still have it, I win again an
infinite number of times).
> Proposal 476/0: Oh Baby, You SHOULDN'T Have! (Glotmorf)
Yes
> Proposal 477/1: Cheerleaders (Congenital Optimist)
Yes
> Proposal 478/1: Cover your Ears! (The Voice)
Yes
> Proposal 479/0: Making up for the Past (The Voice)
No
> Proposal 480/0: Append to Paragraph 47... or was that 48? (Glotmorf)
Yes
> Proposal 481/0: What's Football without Beer? (Glotmorf)
Yes
> Proposal 482/0: Second Law of Thermodynomics v2.0 (The Voice)
Yes
> Proposal 483/0: That's Gremlin, SIR, to you, Soldier! (The Voice)
Abstain. I'll have a real vote on this one if and when I figure out what
happens if there are multiple paths that would take a Gremlin to a
player.(and what if the path ends?)
> Proposal 484/0: Damn Spectators! (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 485/0: I'm not as thunk as you drink I am! (Glotmorf)
Yes, but this is *my* proposal!
> Proposal 486/0: The Riot Police (Baron von Skippy)
Yes (although someone should find a way to let him apprehend spectators as
well; They'll probably be drinking more.)
> Proposal 487/0: The Hell With That (Wonko)
Yes. We've been ignoring it anyway; it only made sense when it went along
with my own, more pathetic version of Gremball.
> Proposal 488/1: Football Players are People Too! (Wonko)
Yes
> Proposal 489/0: Happy New nYear! (Wild Card)
No - I think there's a contradiction; this says that the 2nd nyear starts on
10.1 and on 11.1
> Proposal 490/0: Spring my Arse! (The Voice)
Yes

--Wonko

"Attention to health is lifes greatest hindrance. "
    - Plato

"Plato was a bore. "
    - Friedrich Nietzsche

"Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal. "
    - Leo Tolstoy

"I'm not going to get into the ring with Tolstoy. "
    - Ernest Hemingway

"Hemingway was a jerk. "
    - Harold Robbins

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I fire my Pinball Gun at Glotmorf.

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:20:27 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: one more time... corrections and such
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Okay, it's just not my day.

This time, the author of 485 better darn well be correct or I'm gonna set
its "author" bit to Luigi or something.

444 has been Judged.

Rob does in fact need to be penalized for selfishly holding onto the Scarf
(for the third nweek in a row). There go points and Style points... (I
don't think the rules require Style to stop at 0, like they do for Score
points, so Rob now has a Style of -3. Maybe he's actively repulsive or
something. Or just has a fondness for polyester, I dunno.)

462 has been Judged. Nothing quite like throwing half the Roster on the
LMJ to spur on the legal process...

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
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a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:28:53 -0500
Subject: Re: spoon-business: catching up!
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
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Quoth Eric Gerlach,

> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, David E. Smith wrote:
>> Bean has whipped out a ruling on CFJ 430.
> 
> The fastest gavel in the west.  Or the east... I'm more east than west you
> see.....
> 
>> I got round to resolving the tackle: Glotmorf tele-tackles The Voice,
>> forcing the Football back into the hands of Bean. (Neither Glotmorf nor
>> The Voice will move at the end of this nweek.)
> 
> I'm going to contend that because Wonko said "as soon as moves are
> processed" when he tackled me that it happened last nweek.... because the
> moves actually happened last nweek. (I'm gonna have to fix that bug I
> think... though with more players it shouldn't matter)  That means I can
> move this nweek.
> 
> In light of my contention, I run to (9, 13).
> 
> Bean
> 

In light of eir contention, I tackle Bean. Oops :)

--Wonko

"I would have made a good Pope. "
- Richard M. Nixon

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:34:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 10 (and more recognitions)
Sender: [email-masked]
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, David E. Smith wrote:
YES> Proposal 464/0: Falling out of grace. (Uncle Psychosis)
ABSTAIN> Proposal 465/0: The Golden-Armed Gremlin (The Voice)
YES> Proposal 470/0: More Football Fixes (Bean)
[[ It may be broken, but it's less broken that what we have now.
Incremental fixes people... ]]
YES> Proposal 471/0: Only running is boring III: Return of the Bean (Bean)
YES> Proposal 472/2: The Gremlin Fund (Wonko)
YES> Proposal 473/1: If It's Not Worth Reading At All, It's Not Worth
Reading Well (Glotmorf)
NO> Proposal 474/0: We Don't Need No Steenkin' Clee... *splat* (Glotmorf)
[[ What does slipping and falling do, pray tell? ]]
NO> Proposal 475/0: DimSpace: The Final Frontier (Glotmorf)
ABSTAIN> Proposal 476/0: Oh Baby, You SHOULDN'T Have! (Glotmorf)
YES> Proposal 477/1: Cheerleaders (Congenital Optimist)
YES> Proposal 478/1: Cover your Ears! (The Voice)
ABSTAIN> Proposal 479/0: Making up for the Past (The Voice)
YES> Proposal 480/0: Append to Paragraph 47... or was that 48? (Glotmorf)
YES> Proposal 481/0: What's Football without Beer? (Glotmorf)
YES> Proposal 482/0: Second Law of Thermodynomics v2.0 (The Voice)
YES> Proposal 483/0: That's Gremlin, SIR, to you, Soldier! (The Voice)
YES> Proposal 484/0: Damn Spectators! (Wonko)
YES> Proposal 485/0: I'm not as thunk as you drink I am! (Glotmorf)
ABSTAIN> Proposal 486/0: The Riot Police (Baron von Skippy)
ABSTAIN> Proposal 487/0: The Hell With That (Wonko)
YES> Proposal 488/1: Football Players are People Too! (Wonko)
YES> Proposal 489/0: Happy New nYear! (Wild Card)
YES> Proposal 490/0: Spring my Arse! (The Voice)
[[ Eih, why not? ]]

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Subject: spoon-business: Voting on Ballot, nweek 10 (and more recognitions) 
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 23:15:59 +0000
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
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> Proposal 464/0: Falling out of grace. (Uncle Psychosis)
YES
> Proposal 465/0: The Golden-Armed Gremlin (The Voice)
YES
> Proposal 470/0: More Football Fixes (Bean)
YES
> Proposal 471/0: Only running is boring III: Return of the Bean (Bean)
YES
> Proposal 472/2: The Gremlin Fund (Wonko)
YES
> Proposal 473/1: If It's Not Worth Reading At All, It's Not Worth Reading
> 		Well (Glotmorf)
YES
> Proposal 474/0: We Don't Need No Steenkin' Clee... *splat* (Glotmorf)
YES
> Proposal 475/0: DimSpace: The Final Frontier (Glotmorf)
YES
> Proposal 476/0: Oh Baby, You SHOULDN'T Have! (Glotmorf)
YES
> Proposal 477/1: Cheerleaders (Congenital Optimist)
ABSTAIN
> Proposal 478/1: Cover your Ears! (The Voice)
YES
> Proposal 479/0: Making up for the Past (The Voice)
YES [[WTHN?:)]]
> Proposal 480/0: Append to Paragraph 47... or was that 48? (Glotmorf)
YES [[Ruleset reorganisation here we come...]]
> Proposal 481/0: What's Football without Beer? (Glotmorf)
YES
> Proposal 482/0: Second Law of Thermodynomics v2.0 (The Voice)
NO [[*Tends to*]]
> Proposal 483/0: That's Gremlin, SIR, to you, Soldier! (The Voice)
YES
> Proposal 484/0: Damn Spectators! (Wonko)
YES
> Proposal 485/0: I'm not as thunk as you drink I am! (Glotmorf)
YES
> Proposal 486/0: The Riot Police (Baron von Skippy)
ABSTAIN
> Proposal 487/0: The Hell With That (Wonko)
YES
> Proposal 488/1: Football Players are People Too! (Wonko)
YES [[They are!]]
> Proposal 489/0: Happy New nYear! (Wild Card)
YES [[Of course]]
> Proposal 490/0: Spring my Arse! (The Voice)
YES [WTHN?:)]]

 WC.

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: CFJ447 and my votes
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:18:17 -0500
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I just realized that I sent my votes to the wrong place. Frip. Okay, I vote 
"Yes" on all proposals. There we go.

CFJ 447/0
CFJ by Scoff!
Assigned Judge: Uncle Psychosis (misbehaved)
Reassigned Judge: Baron von Skippy

Statement: The Token Of Proposals was not awarded to The Voice. It was 
awarded to Scoff!

Rationale: As the Administrator pointed out, declarations of Respect are not 
Proposals for the purpose of scoring. Ergo, there's an established custom in 
the rules that declarations of respect shouldn't earn the author a reward.

Judgement: TRUE

Analysis: What Scoff! said, for one. Also, if we let votes for respect count 
as votes towards the Token of Proposals, then we'd have respect cropping up 
all over the place, as people try to grab yes votes. And that would get 
annoying, fast.

                                              Cheers,
                                                BvS

"Your point is if you light a match near your calculator, it's not going to 
scurry away.
It's all relative. A big fire for Deep Blue, a little match for a little 
calculator."

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:23:55 -0600 (CST)
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: B Nomic Business <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Ballot
Sender: [email-masked]
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TES  > Proposal 464/0: Falling out of grace. (Uncle Psychosis)

NO > Proposal 465/0: The Golden-Armed Gremlin (The Voice)

ABSTAIN > Proposal 470/0: More Football Fixes (Bean)

YES > Proposal 471/0: Only running is boring III: Return of the 
Bean (Bean)

YES > Proposal 472/2: The Gremlin Fund (Wonko)

YES > Proposal 473/1: If It's Not Worth Reading At All, It's Not 
Worth Reading Well (Glotmorf)

YES > Proposal 474/0: We Don't Need No Steenkin' Clee... 
*splat* (Glotmorf)

ABSTAIN > Proposal 475/0: DimSpace: The Final Frontier (Glotmorf)

YES > Proposal 476/0: Oh Baby, You SHOULDN'T Have! (Glotmorf)

YES > Proposal 477/1: Cheerleaders (Congenital Optimist)

YES > Proposal 478/1: Cover your Ears! (The Voice)

YES > Proposal 479/0: Making up for the Past (The Voice)

YES > Proposal 480/0: Append to Paragraph 47... or was that 48? 
(Glotmorf)

YES > Proposal 481/0: What's Football without Beer? (Glotmorf)

YES > Proposal 482/0: Second Law of Thermodynomics v2.0 (The 
Voice)

YES > Proposal 483/0: That's Gremlin, SIR, to you, Soldier! (The 
Voice)

YES > Proposal 484/0: Damn Spectators! (Wonko)

YES > Proposal 485/0: I'm not as thunk as you drink I am! 
(Glotmorf)

YES > Proposal 486/0: The Riot Police (Baron von Skippy)

ABSTAIN > Proposal 487/0: The Hell With That (Wonko)

NO > Proposal 488/1: Football Players are People Too! (Wonko)

YES > Proposal 489/0: Happy New nYear! (Wild Card)

NO > Proposal 490/0: Spring my Arse! (The Voice)

-Congenital Optimist
who clearly must pay closer attention to the Daily Recognizer.

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:45:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Voter Colonel
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I think it's time I take advantage of this prose thingy... well, here's
one that'll scare ya, but I think it's balanced, and it'll keep us all
guessin.....  I'm gettin it out early for criticism's sake.  I have a
feeling it's gonna get a lot.

{{
__Keeping the ballot boxes safe for democracy__

[[
"And put it in the box... there, we're done!"

With voting out of the way I began to head back home.  Coming out of the
polling station I passed a man in a long black trenchcoat.  All I could
see of him besides that were the red embers of his lit cigarette.  As I
passed him he stepped out and put his arm around me.  "So, how did you
vote on proposal 872?" he asked.

"I don't think that's any business of yours, I don't have to tell you how
I voted!" I retorted, insulted that someone would trample on my precious
civil liberties.

"Voter, it is in the interest of democracy that you tell me how you voted.
To not do so would be admitting that you are an enemy of democracy," he
gently persuaded as we walked down the avenue.

It had begun to rain.  That fact just made me more bitter.  "Listen," I
said, "I don't know who you are but you'd better leave me alone.  Under
who's authority are you asking me these dumb questions?"

"The Voter Colonel, of course."

"Yes, the Voter Colonel.  You see..."
]]

Create a rule:
{{
__The Voter Colonel__

There exists a Gremlin known as The Facist Gremlin, also known as The
Voter Colonel.  If The Voter Colonel is Active, a player may pay it to
"Purge the Ballot Box," and name one or more proposals that are on the
current ballot, whether e wants each of those proposals to pass or fail,
and how many people the Voter Colonel may kill in order to accomplish his
task.

The Player may pay The Voter Colonel to Purge the Ballot Box by announcing
eir intention to do so in a public forum, or by privately sending a
message to The Administrator.  If a player messages The Administrator
privately (to pay The Voter Colonel), The Administrator may not divulge
any information regarding the transaction, including but not limited to:
The name of the player, the amount e paid, or the fact that The Voter
Colonel has been paid.  However, The Administrator may update other
records to keep them in synchronisation with the game state.

The cost to have The Voter Colonel Purge the Ballot Box is (the number of
proposals named) * (the number of people The Voter Colonel may kill) * 50
points. [[ "Democracy" comes at a price ]]

Only one Player may ask The Voter Colonel to Purge the ballot box per
nweek.  If a Player does so after another Player has already done so, the
points are transferred as if e were the first Player to do so, but The
Voter Colonel does not act on this payment.

If it has been asked to Purge the Ballot Box, before votes are counted at
the end of an nweek, The Voter Colonel looks at all the votes that have
been cast, computes a "Friend of Democracy" number for each player, and
repeatedly Kills the player with the lowest Friend of Democracy number who
is not already Dead until it has Killed as many players as it was allowed
to, as per the amount it was paid.  Friend of Democracy numbers are not
Attributes or Dimensions, and are only applicable for the scope of this
event.

The Friend of Democracy numbers are computed as follows:
- The number begins at 0.
- For each proposal that was desired to pass, and on which the player made
an affirmative vote, add one to the number.
- For each proposal that was desired to pass, and on which the player made
an negative vote, subtract one from the number.
- For each proposal that was desired to fail, and on which the player made
an affirmative vote, subtract one from the number.
- For each proposal that was desired to fail, and on which the player made
an negative vote, add one to the number.
- Abstentions do not affect the number.

When a Player is Killed by The Voter Colonel, e gains the Attribute "Dead"
for one nweek and one nday.  While a Player has the attribute "Dead", that
player is not eligible to vote.  This rule supercedes rules 20 and 30 in
this regard.  In addition, e is not considered to have voted during the
nweek e was Killed for purposes of counting votes.  This rule supercedes
rule 32 in this regard.

The Voter Colonel becomes active at the beginning of the voting period of
any nweek where the Gremlinometer is less than 6.  The Voter Colonel goes
into Hiding at the end of every nweek.

If the Voter Colonel is thrown in the context of Gremball, it Kills both
the thrower and the Player it was thrown at. [[ Facists don't like
GremBall ]]

}}

[[

"You're kidding!" I exclaimed, "There's no way such a thing could exist!"

"Oh, but there is... now, how did you vote on Proposal 872?" he calmly
asked again.

"Um.... no?" I cautiously replied, hoping that all that practice running
in football would save me.  He wrapped his arm tighter around me.

"That's too bad, voter.  Come with me to the Ministry of Alteration."

I tried to run, but he closed his arm tight around my shoulders and lifted
my feet off the ground.  I heard and felt my shoulders pop.  The barrel of
a gun pressed into my side.  An uzi, if my senses served me correctly.

"Ministry of Alteration?"  I asked.

"Yes."

"And what happens there?"

"Well, at the Ministry of Alteration, we alter alive people... into dead
people..."

"I see," I replied slowly.

As the needle pierced my arm and I fell asleep, I knew it was going to be
a long night.

]]

}}

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 22:21:28 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Ratings.
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I issue the following ratings:

> Proposal 473/1: If It's Not Worth Reading At All, It's Not Worth Reading
> Well (Glotmorf)
4
> Proposal 476/0: Oh Baby, You SHOULDN'T Have! (Glotmorf)
6
> Proposal 481/0: What's Football without Beer? (Glotmorf)
8 (I liked this one)
> Proposal 484/0: Damn Spectators! (Wonko)
10 (of course!)
> Proposal 486/0: The Riot Police (Baron von Skippy)
6

--Wonko

"In the end, everything is a gag. "
- Charlie Chaplin

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 22:55:38 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: ratings v2.0
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I re-issue the following ratings:

> Proposal 473/1: If It's Not Worth Reading At All, It's Not Worth Reading
> Well (Glotmorf)
6
> Proposal 476/0: Oh Baby, You SHOULDN'T Have! (Glotmorf)
8
> Proposal 481/0: What's Football without Beer? (Glotmorf)
10 (I liked this one)
> Proposal 484/0: Damn Spectators! (Wonko)
15 (of course!)
> Proposal 486/0: The Riot Police (Baron von Skippy)
7
--Wonko

"The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad."
- Salvador Dali

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Literary criticism and lack of sleep
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 00:52:13 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sure, ratings. I can do that.

Proposal 473/1: If It's Not Worth Reading At All, It's Not Worth Reading 
Well (Glotmorf)
5
Proposal 476/0: Oh Baby, You SHOULDN'T Have! (Glotmorf)
5
Proposal 481/0: What's Football without Beer? (Glotmorf)
9
Proposal 484/0: Damn Spectators! (Wonko)
8
Proposal 486/0: The Riot Police (Baron von Skippy)
10

                                             BvS

"Your point is if you light a match near your calculator, it's not going to 
scurry away. It's all relative. A big fire for Deep Blue, a little match for 
a little calculator."

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From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Literary critiscism, lack of sleep, and inattentiveness to the rules
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 00:55:07 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Proposal 473/1: If It's Not Worth Reading At All, It's Not Worth Reading
Well (Glotmorf)
7
Proposal 476/0: Oh Baby, You SHOULDN'T Have! (Glotmorf)
7
Proposal 481/0: What's Football without Beer? (Glotmorf)
12
Proposal 484/0: Damn Spectators! (Wonko)
10
Proposal 486/0: The Riot Police (Baron von Skippy)
15

"Your point is if you light a match near your calculator, it's not going to 
scurry away. It's all relative. A big fire for Deep Blue, a little match for 
a little calculator."

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To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: ratings v2.0 
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:03:23 +0000
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hmm, ratings...
> > Proposal 473/1: If It's Not Worth Reading At All, It's Not Worth Reading
> > Well (Glotmorf)

 8

> > Proposal 476/0: Oh Baby, You SHOULDN'T Have! (Glotmorf)

 <grins> 9

> > Proposal 481/0: What's Football without Beer? (Glotmorf)

 11

> > Proposal 484/0: Damn Spectators! (Wonko)

 10

> > Proposal 486/0: The Riot Police (Baron von Skippy)

 5

 WC

Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 21:18:24 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Saturday afternoon)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Advance notice: This nweek's results will be late. I'll be at work all of
Sunday night and Monday during the day, and will probably be way too tired
in that little gap between 'em to count up all the votes.

Anyway.

Since 444 has finally been ruled upon, I can resolve the rest of Uncle
Psychosis' action, which had been under contention:

Uncle Psychosis gives 3 points to each of the players who voted for p377
(Congenital Optimist, Glotmorf, emself, and Wonko).

(Incidentally, the rules don't seem to actually require that judgments be
sent to a Public Forum. Bug, or feature?)

Bean tries to run, but is tele-tackled by Wonko, which puts the Football
back into the unsure hands of The Voice.

The Voice pings Glotmorf with a Pinball Gun. Glotmorf flies two spaces
back.

447 has been Judged. (And, impressively, without invoking the fact that
the *current* rules answer the question.)

"Keeping the ballot boxes safe for democracy" is just sick, er, 491/0.

Wild Card: I can't acknowledge your Prose ratings, because, per 438/1, you
have to vote in order to give out a rating. Please either vote and put
your ratings with the ballot, or at least put a note in your ballot that
you'd already sent ratings so I remember to look for 'em.

I have a much saner cache system now, thanks to the advice of someone
whose name I currently forget (sorry) and a couple people on IRC. The
"current rules", "current proposals", "current CFJs", and "grid" pages are
now static, instead of being created every time someone looks at 'em. This
should make them faster to load, and hopefully will make Joel happy by
easing the load on his Web server a little bit. (I think my next project
will be studying PostScript to see if I can create a pocket-sized rulebook
automatically, because that would just be darned handy.)

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
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"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: votes, nweek 10 style
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:50:13 -0500
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Proposal 464/0: Falling out of grace. (Uncle Psychosis)YES
Proposal 465/0: The Golden-Armed Gremlin (The Voice)YES
[[football, other fixes forthcoming]]
Proposal 470/0: More Football Fixes (Bean)NO
Proposal 471/0: Only running is boring III: Return of the Bean (Bean)YES
Proposal 472/2: The Gremlin Fund (Wonko)YES
Proposal 473/1: If It's Not Worth Reading At All, It's Not Worth Reading
		Well (Glotmorf)YES Rated: 4
Proposal 474/0: We Don't Need No Steenkin' Clee... *splat* (Glotmorf)NO
Proposal 475/0: DimSpace: The Final Frontier (Glotmorf)NO Rated: 8
Proposal 476/0: Oh Baby, You SHOULDN'T Have! (Glotmorf)YES Rated: 11
Proposal 477/1: Cheerleaders (Congenital Optimist)NO
Proposal 478/1: Cover your Ears! (The Voice)YES
[[again, fix forthcoming]]
Proposal 479/0: Making up for the Past (The Voice)YES
Proposal 480/0: Append to Paragraph 47... or was that 48? (Glotmorf)NO
[[too confusing... too much work for Mr. A]]
Proposal 481/0: What's Football without Beer? (Glotmorf)YES Rated: 10
Proposal 482/0: Second Law of Thermodynomics v2.0 (The Voice)YES
Proposal 483/0: That's Gremlin, SIR, to you, Soldier! (The Voice)YES
Proposal 484/0: Damn Spectators! (Wonko)YES Rated: 9
Proposal 485/0: I'm not as thunk as you drink I am! (Wonko)NO
Proposal 486/0: The Riot Police (Baron von Skippy)YES Rated: 8
Proposal 487/0: The Hell With That (Wonko)NO
Proposal 488/1: Football Players are People Too! (Wonko)YES
Proposal 489/0: Happy New nYear! (Wild Card)NO
Proposal 490/0: Spring my Arse! (The Voice)YES
[[actually, the whole reason I threw him at you, Glotmorf, was because I 
thought that something would happen to you, like he would pick you up and 
throw you or something.  Sorry... but that gives me an idea.]]

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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:30:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Ack! My mail was all eaten!
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
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Th Pnk Scrf s nt Mufflng.

[[Tho I was thtarting to get really fruthtrated with
thith game. It theemed that the Admin had forgotten to
recognize any of my proposals, and people were
accusing me of holding onto the Thcarf when I have
until nday 2 of next nweek to give it away and
ignoring me when I protethted.

Then I eventually figured out that my e-mail has
thtopped  working. None of the methages I've thent
went anywhere.

Now I'm pothting thith from a thertain Yahoo account
of mine with a thilly name. But hopefully it'll get
the methage through.
]]

I object to the thatement that I should be penalized
for not giving away the Thcarf for thith nweek,
because ith not yet nday 2.

At the end of the nweek, I award the Thcarf to
Glotmorf.

I buy a Big Rock, drop it on Chrithtine, run to (6,
6), and fly Elbonian to (12, 12).

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 00:56:28 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ack! My mail was all eaten!
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Rob Speer wrote:

> Th Pnk Scrf s nt Mufflng.

Yay!

> I object to the thatement that I should be penalized
> for not giving away the Thcarf for thith nweek,
> because ith not yet nday 2.

The penalty is for not giving it away at the start of nweek 10, not for
nweek 11. (We're still in nweek 10)

My records (i.e. the list archives) show you received the Scarf at the
start of nweek 8 on February 26 from Scoff! and have had it ever since.

You were penalized for having it at the start of nweek 9 (I send the mail
with that penalty on March 9).  The present penalty for having it at the
start of nweek 10.

If you don't get rid of it in a couple days, you'll be penalized for
retaining it during nweek 11 (which hasn't started yet).

> At the end of the nweek, I award the Thcarf to
> Glotmorf.

There's one way to get rid of it. :-)

> I buy a Big Rock, drop it on Chrithtine, run to (6,
> 6), and fly Elbonian to (12, 12).

The Rock purchase is completed, at a cost of 17 points.

You're gonna love this one... The original Big Rock is crushed by the new
Big Rock, but (and I swear I rolled this randomly) the new Big Rock has a
siren of its own. Her name is Robin, by the way.

Your move is thus illegal. Sorry, Rob.

(Aside: Rob, if you need an email account, you can get one with a
not-silly name from www.bureau42.com/mail/ . Yeah, it's blatant
self-promotion, but there's only a couple hundred users there, so most of
the cool names are still available.)

...dave

Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 21:06:26 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Ack! My mail was all eaten!
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 3/24/02 at 12:56 AM David E. Smith wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Rob Speer wrote:

>> At the end of the nweek, I award the Thcarf to
>> Glotmorf.
>
>There's one way to get rid of it. :-)

It not being quite the end of the nweek yet, I'll quickly declare my gender to be Male.

I feel like *such* a sell-out, but I'd rather not count on being able to do Victorian effeminate for a prolonged period.

						Glotmorf

Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 21:08:26 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Latht-minute vote change
Sender: [email-masked]
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If ith not too late, I'd like to change my vote on p482 to Abthtain.

						Glotmorf

Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:28:02 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Ack! My mail was all eaten!
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On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, Wonko wrote:

> Wait... I thought if a Big Rock lands on another, then both are destroyed,
> aren't they?

You are, in fact, correct. I humbly apologize for being a total idiot.

Rob's move request is queued.

...dave

Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:50:25 -0500
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: My votes
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

My votes. Hopefully, this e-mail will go through.

464: No
465: Yes
470: No
471: Yes
472: No [[ it confuses me, and I don't have time to figure out what it's
doing ]]
473: Yes
474: Yes
475: Yes
476: Yes
477: No
478: No
479: No
480: Yes
481: No [[ too much grid stuff ]]
482: Yes
483: No
484: Abstain
485: Abstain
486: Abstain
487: Abstain
488: Yes
489: No
490: Yes

-- 
Rob Speer

From: "Jonathan Van Matre" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:47:39 -0600
Subject: spoon-business: sushi
content-class: urn:content-classes:message
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I give the sushi to the Wonko.

From: "Jonathan Van Matre" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:49:16 -0600
Subject: spoon-business: On Leave
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I'm 150 messages behind on the forum e-mail, so I am clearly too busy to be playing right now.  

Therefore, I place myself ON LEAVE.

I hope I will be able to return in the near future.

--Scoff!

Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:29:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel Lepage <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: My First Proposal
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
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{{
__No, YOU hide!__

In the Second Sentence of the Second Item of the
Numerical List of the Current Form of the Two-Hundred
and Ninety-Third Rule of the B Nomic Ruleset, replace
the word 'e' with 'the gremlin'.
}}

Right now it says
"If a gremlin hits the player with the Idol, e
immediately goes into Hiding."
That seems to mean that the player with the Idol goes
into 'Hiding' (whatever that means)

--
Wonko

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:25:45 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: My First.1 Proposal
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I amend my proposal entitled "No, YOU Hide!" to be:
{{
__No, YOU hide!__

Replace the word "e"
With the new phrase "the Gremlin"
In rule 2 9 3
}}

It's such a short proposal... I might as well do something at least mildly
creative with it...

--Wonko

"In the end, everything is a gag. "
- Charlie Chaplin

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 02:49:12 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: nweek 10 results
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following happens before the end of nweek 10:

I'm an idiot and completely ignored how Big Rocks are supposed to work. So
both of the Big Rocks, and the Siren, at wherever-it-was-Rob-had-a-rock-
dropped are gone, and Rob's move (and subsequent flight) are queued.

Glotmorf has a Gender now.

The King Gremlin pings Iain. Iain is burned for the next ten minutes or
so, until the nweek ends. E loses 4 points to Glotmorf.

Rob is the only player on the Grid who actually gets to move... e moves to
(6,6), flies the friendly skies with Elbonian (cost: 1 point!),
miraculously landing on-target at (12,12).

Rocky is Active, and drops a new Big Rock at (10,10).

The PIG ate Proposal 471/0 (Only running is boring III). Shame, that, as
it would've passed unanimously.

The Yeti eats eir Ice Gnome.

Thus ends nweek 10.

464/0 passes (5-1-2).
I hope this one doesn't bite me in the ass at some point in the
distressingly near future... Created 17/3.
Uncle Psychosis scores 13 points.

465/0 passes (4-3-1).
(This'll be weird because there is no such thing as a Step.)
Created 492/0.
Created 293/2.
The Voice scores 10 points.
Created The Golden-Armed Gremlin.

470/0 fails (3-4-1).
The Telekinetic Tackle stays round for another nweek. Whee!
Bean loses 2 points.

471/0 is eaten by the PIG (8-0-0).

472/2 passes (7-1-0).
Created 256/3.
Created 296/3.
Created 297/2.
Created 345/1.
Created 347/1.
Created 400/1.
Created a dizzy spell for the Administrator.
Created the Gremlin Fund.
Transferred 100 points from Luigi to the Fund.
Transferred 125 points from The Scoring Gremlin to the Fund.
Created 400/2.
Wonko scores 16 points.

473/1 passes (8-0-0).
Created 438/2.
Glotmorf scores 9 points.

474/0 passes (6-2-0).
Created 394/5.
Glotmorf scores 11 points.

475/0 passes (4-3-1).
Created 493/0.
Glotmorf scores 8 points.

476/0 passed (7-0-1).
Created 494/0.
Glotmorf scores 14 points.

477/1 passes (5-2-1).
Created 495/0.
Congenital Optimist scores 13 points.

478/1 passes (6-2-0).
Created 496/0.
Created The AAAAHHHH Gremlin.
The Voice scores 10 points.

479/0 passes (4-3-1).
All Players' Entropy is set to 10.
The Voice scores 8 points.

480/0 passes (7-1-0).
Created 497/0.
Glotmorf scores 12 points.

481/0 passes (7-1-0).
Created 498/0.
Glotmorf scores 7 points.

482/0 passes (6-1-1).
Created 440/1.
The Voice scores 9 points.

483/0 passes (6-1-1).
Created The Five-Star General Gremlin.
Created 499/0.
(Sir! is not Gremlin-Fund compliant. There's someone's easy points for
next nweek...)
The Voice scores 8 points.

484/0 passes (7-0-1).
Created 498/1.
Wonko scores 12 points.

485/0 passes (6-1-1).
Created 498/2.
Created 500/0.
Created Guido.
Glotmorf scores 11 points.

486/0 passes (4-1-3).
Created Copper.
Created 501/0.
Baron von Skippy scores 11 points.

487/0 passes (4-1-3).
Created 355/2.
Wonko scores 13 points.

488/1 passes (6-2-0).
Created 394/6.
Wonko scores 15 points.

489/0 passes (5-3-0).
Created 3/5.
Created 502/0.
Created 503/0.
Created 498/3.
"Beer Cans" has now been extensively modified before it even joined the
complete ruleset. That's impressively creepy.
Wild Card scores 8 points.

490/0 passes (6-2-0).
The Yeti springs forth onto The Grid, but immediately returns to Limbo (as
it's been above Freezing for three Characteristic Changes).
Nice try, though.
The Voice scores 14 points.

Literary bonuses:

The database simply cannot handle fractional scores, and those would mess
with everyone's heads anyway. So I'm treating them as "rounded to the
nearest integer". I suggest someone make it official at some point.

Glotmorf scores 6.57 (7) points for 473.
Glotmorf scores 7 points for 475.
Glotmorf scores 8.17 (8) points for 476.
Glotmorf scores 9.5 (10) points for 481.
Wonko scores 8.83 (9) points for 484.
Baron von Skippy scores 7.33 (7) points for 486.

Start of nweek 11:

The new Gremlin number is 113.

The Immunity Idol is awarded to The Voice.

The Token of Proposals would be awarded to Glotmorf, but e held it last
week. The Bandwidth Gremlin goes into Hiding.

The Yeti is in Limbo.

A Ball of Wax appears at (6,16).

Curt and Rod move to (3,8) and (19,19) respectively.

This Week's Color Commentator is Wild Card.

The Weather is just above freezing (it's 33 degrees Fahrenheit now).

Due to the ridiculous number of "abstain" votes on the previous ballot, I
make the following proposal:

{{ __Apathy Clause__

Append to the final paragraph of Rule 31 the following:

{{
If more than 1/3 of all votes cast on any given issue are explicit
abstentions, then the proposal is considered to have failed, regardless of
the number of other votes cast. A propsal which fails in this manner shall
be treated as though it received an Administrative Veto.
}}

[[ Yes, this means that if 3/4 of the other votes cast are affirmative, it
still passes. Yes, it means if nobody cares, you'll not gain or lose
Charm, which is as it should be. ]]

Remove the second and third paragraphs from Rule 153. [[ Nobody uses Speed
and Displacement, hence the "Apathy" apellation, and they're a PITA to
update. ]]

}}

Recognized as 504/0.

Scoff! gives the Sushi to Wonko.
Scoff! goes On Leave.

"No, YOU Hide!" is 505/0 and 505/1.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 02:50:30 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: ohyeah.
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Glotmorf receives the Scarf, and with it 11 Style Points and 2 Score
points.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:08:08 -0500
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Use Them or Lose Them
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I propose: __Removal of Cruft__
{{

1. Repeal rule 204/1. [[ It doesn't work, because it attempts to
legislate what rules can do. This is impossible. Not screwing with time
should be a matter of game etiquette. ]]

2. Modify rule 214/1 to read:
{{ The value of the Clock must be displayed in public view. If the Clock
is Off, the value of the Watch must be displayed in public view. }}

3. Repeal rule 215/0.

4. Remove the two last paragraphs of rule 216/0. (Sorry - the 'proposing
multiple rules' mechanism is entirely messed up. My bad.)

5. In Rule 260/1, change the text
{{ with the text "*name* gets a Kick in the Ass." }}
to
{{ indicating that e is giving that player a Kick in the Ass, and the
reason why. }}

6. In proposal 300/1, change the text
{{ A second rules listing will be added to the game state }}
to
{{ A second rules listing is part of the game state }}

7. In rule 301/3, remove the paragraph
{{ The distance between two squares is the square root of (the
difference in x-values of the squares squared plus the difference in
y-values of the squares squared). }}
[[ Rule 407, "Space", makes it redundant. ]]

8. In Rule 401/0, change the text {{ ZOE }} to {{ ZOE and ZATR }}. 
[[ Right now Wax would not help you get away from a Siren. ]]

}}

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:11:43 -0500
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Roast the PIG
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I propose: __Roast the PIG__

{{
Rule two sixty one
shall be repealed, and the PIG
shall exist no more.
}}

[[ Come on, we all hate it and go to great lengths to work around it. ]]

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:20:59 -0500
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Temperature
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[ Instead of Dave's stopgap method of giving the Weather, let's
actually define a characteristic! Yay! ]]

I propose: __Temperature__
{{

1. Create a rule: __Temperature__ {* Weather, 1 *}
{{ 
The characteristic of Temperature has a value in degrees Celsius.
Only values of Temperature that are less than or equal to 0 are
considered Freezing.

If the Temperature ever goes below -30, it is set to -30, and if it ever
goes above 40, it is set to 40.

Whenever the Weather is updated, (the 15th Gremlin number minus 8)
shall be added to the Temperature.
}}

2. Set the Temperature to -10 [[ in celebration of this lovely spring
weather ]].

3. Throw the Yeti at (10, 10) in the manner that Elbonian Airways would,
except that it does not lose any points.
}}

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:29:04 -0500
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Cinquains Suck
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I propose: __Cinquains Suck__
{{
Repeal
rule 3 9 9,
but only after this
proposal has recieved three points
from it.
}}

[[ Yes, so I'm hypocritical, but I suppose the rule might as well get
used once. ]]

[[ I'll elaborate on my opinion: I get the distinct impression that the
cinquain as a poetic form was invented by middle school teachers, as a
form that even the most brain-damaged of students could handle. Can
someone demonstrate otherwise? ]]
-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:18:05 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Roast the PIG
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>The PIG ate Proposal 471/0 (Only running is boring III). Shame, that, as
>it would've passed unanimously.

Ooooh.... that really gets my feckles up.

At 11:11 PM 2002-03-25 -0500, you wrote:
>I propose: __Roast the PIG__
>
>{{
>Rule two sixty one
>shall be repealed, and the PIG
>shall exist no more.
>}}
>
>[[ Come on, we all hate it and go to great lengths to work around it. ]]

Aww.... I was gonna propose that.... Just my luck for watching a DVD as the 
nweekly report comes in. :(

Oh well.  Here's the THIRD TIME I propose this.

PROPOSAL #1
=====
{{
__Only running is boring IV: Bean f***ing hates the PIG.  Die die die, you 
blasted thing__

Create the following rule:
{{
__Pass! I'm open!__

If no player on eir team has already done so in the current nweek, the 
Player in posession of the Football may choose to Pass the Football.  To 
make a Pass, a player announces eir intention to do so in a public forum, 
and indicates a Player who is playing football to recieve the Pass.  If the 
indicated Player is able to recieve the Pass according to the rules, the 
Football is immediately placed in the posession of the recieving 
Player.  There are two types of Passes:  Forward Passes and Lateral Passes.

A Pass is a Forward Pass if and only if the recieving Player is closer to 
eir end-zone (measured using the x-coordinate) than the passing 
Player.  The recieving Player for a Forward Pass must be within 7 units of 
the Player making the Pass.  A Player may only make a Forward Pass if e is 
no closer to eir end-zone than the Line of Scrimmage for the current Drive.

All Passes which are not Forward passes are Lateral Passes.  The recieving 
Player of a Lateral Pass must be within 4 units of the Player making the Pass.
}}

}}

Let's try what will likely be a more acceptable solution to the tele-tackle 
problem:

PROPOSAL #2
====={{
__Ow! That's gotta hurt!__

Revise rule 394 in the folllowing manner:

- Replace the text: "The player making the tackle immediately moves to the 
same location as the player being tackled." with the text "The player 
making the tackle immediately moves to a random, vacant location adjacent 
to the player being tackled (within one unit, measured by Cartesian 
metric).  If no such location exists, the tackling player is immediately 
placed into Limbo."
}}

And just because I'm bitter:

PROPOSAL #3
=====
{{
__Bean is SOOOOO f***ing bitter__

Bean gains the attribute "Bitter, very, very Bitter".

If the PIG exists [[and it had better not, it obviously doesn't like 
football]], it gains the Attributes "Exploded into little, itty bitty 
pieces" and "Dead" (in that order).

If the proposal entitled "Roast the PIG" passed, Bean gains the attribute 
"Satiated"

Give all points that would have been gained by any player for this 
proposal's passage as per Rule 32 to the Gremlin Fund.

Decrement Bean's Charm by one. [[ You don't get to be charming just for 
being bitter ]]

Bean gains one point.  [[ I deserve *something* for this ]]
}}

REVISION #1
=====
Revise proposal 491 in the following manner:

- Replace the text: "until it has Killed as many players as it was allowed 
to, as per the amount it was paid" with the text "until it has either 
Killed as many players as it was allowed to, as per the amount it was paid; 
or until it has Killed all players that voted on any of the proposals named 
when The Voter Colonel was asked to Purge the Ballot Box"  [[ Basically, 
now if you're not careful you'll kill yourself if you're trying to make a 
proposal pass ]]

- Replace the text: "While a Player has the attribute "Dead", that player 
is not eligible to vote. This rule supercedes rules 20 and 30 in this 
regard. In addition, e is not considered to have voted during the nweek e 
was Killed for purposes of counting votes. This rule supercedes rule 32 in 
this regard." with the text "A player is not considered to have voted 
during the nweek e was Killed for purposes of counting votes.  This rule 
supercedes rule 32 in this regard."

PROPOSAL #4
=====
And now that I'm feeling dismal, I think I'll make a grim proposal:

{{
__Grandpa, that's Maggie__

Create a rule:
{{
__Death__

If a Player has the Attribute "Dead":
- E is not eligible to vote.  This rule supercedes rules 20 and 30 in this 
regard;
- E may not move on The Grid.  This rule supercedes rules 301 and 394 in 
this regard;
- E may not fly Elbonian Airways. This rule supercedes rule 351 in this regard;
- If e is carrying the Football, a player within one unit of im (Cartesian 
Metric) may pick up the Football.  This rule supercedes rule 394 in this 
regard.

If a Gremlin has the Attribute "Dead", it is considered to be in Hiding.
}}

[[ That's all for now.  I didn't want to make being dead *too* bad... you 
can still propose and stuff ]]
}}

And yes, that's right.  I plan on killing people.  This feeling will likely 
subside in the next 30 minutes.... but for now I'm feeling evil.

And because my proposals are in early... and the gremlin number is 113, if 
anyone proposes anything, I'm safe, and if not, it's only Death that dies. 
(Ironic, no?)

Bean

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 01:56:09 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: nweek 10 results
Sender: [email-masked]
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On 3/26/02 at 2:49 AM David E. Smith wrote:

>485/0 passes (6-1-1).
>Created 498/2.
>Created 500/0.
>Created Guido.
>Glotmorf scores 11 points.

Sorry, can't do it...This was Wonko's proposal, not mine.  E should have gotten the points, not me.

						Glotmorf

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 02:05:00 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: nweek 10 results
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 3/26/02 at 1:56 AM Glotmorf wrote:

>On 3/26/02 at 2:49 AM David E. Smith wrote:
>
>>485/0 passes (6-1-1).
>>Created 498/2.
>>Created 500/0.
>>Created Guido.
>>Glotmorf scores 11 points.
>
>Sorry, can't do it...This was Wonko's proposal, not mine.  E should have
>gotten the points, not me.
>
>						Glotmorf

Tho terribly thorry, wath overcome by the moment.  I've got the thcarf thecured now.  I thtill can't acthept the pointh, though.

						Glotmorf

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 02:42:29 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Roast the PIG
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On 3/26/02 at 12:18 AM Eric Gerlach wrote:

>And yes, that's right.  I plan on killing people.  This feeling will
>likely 
>subside in the next 30 minutes.... but for now I'm feeling evil.
>
>And because my proposals are in early... and the gremlin number is 113, if 
>anyone proposes anything, I'm safe, and if not, it's only Death that dies. 
>(Ironic, no?)
>
>Bean

Oh, Bean, you vithiouth brute.  You mutht underthtand that killing people ith not the anthwer.  You may think ith cool now to dreth up like Keanu and go thooting up roomth full of people, but remember Keanu altho did A Walk in the Cloudth, and I thtill haven't forgiven him for that one.

And why were you thurprithed?  I told everyone where they could find out which propothal the pig would conthume: http://www.angelfire.com/games4/morfologie/pigmenu.html. I even gave an example of a meanth to thathiate the pig with Purina Pig Chow...would've worked if I'd thelected a player inthtead of Mithter A, but I didn't want to thuggetht a player get five rethpect pointh jutht to feed the pig...

Tithk, Bean.  Thaying you want to thlay people jutht becauthe you threw a path to the pig.  That ith tho butch...Perhapth it'd help you adjutht your perthpective if you had the thcarf for a while, thinthe it tho doethn't go with a black leather trenchcoat.  Your gender ithn't declared right now, but ith an odd nweek and an even nday, tho you'll be lithping your vithiouth athathination thtatementh for a while.

Bethideth, ith maybe a little thtylith that you thaid to thubtract from your Charm over thith.  Even you knew you jutht weren't in your color there.  But maybe with the thcarf you will be.

Mithter A, pleathe path the thcarf on to Bean at the end of nday 2.  Thankth.

						Glotmorf

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 03:06:39 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Thcarf
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Thorry, Mithter A...I mithread the thcarf rule.  Yeth, I'm keeping the thcarf till the end of the nweek, but I'll thtill probably give it to Bean if he keepth on talking about killing.  Perhapth a little pink in hith life will de-threth him.

						Glotmorf

From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:07:51 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proosal: Stop to think.
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

<proosal>
<title>Stop to think.</title>
<body>
Amend rule 404 by replacing "3 ndays" with "7 ndays".
[[A little more time to appeal things. This might slow things down a little, true. Given that we've yet to see any appeals being made, that's not a big problem.]]
</body>
</proosal>

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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:24:07 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proosal: Exclusive doors
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<proosal>
<title>Exclusive doors.</title>
<body>
[[I missed the deadline to appeal this. Therefore, a little hoop-jumping is required.]]
Create a new rule, numbered 123 and with a chutzpah of 2 [[so it takes precedence over r126]], named "Appeal of CFJ 447.", with the following @@@-delimited text:
@@@
The Judgement on CFJ 447 is overturned. The CFJ records will be updated to indicate the judgement was overturned, and if necessary, the game state is modified so that play can continue as if CFJ 447 was originally judged "Undecided". This rule then repeals itself.
[[Analysis:
The initiator's reasoning was:
"As the Administrator pointed out, declarations of Respect are not Proposals for the purpose of scoring. Ergo, there's an established custom in the rules that declarations of respect shouldn't earn the author a reward."
The judge's was:
"What Scoff! said, for one. Also, if we let votes for respect count as votes towards the Token of Proposals, then we'd have respect cropping up all over the place, as people try to grab yes votes. And that would get 
annoying, fast."

Firstly, the fact that declarations of respect don't count for scoring, and therefore they shouldn't count for the ToP, is akin to saying that because they don't count for style, they shouldn't count for scoring. In fact, it's even weaker, because they are explicitly defined not to count for scoring, indicating that they are in other ways (including scoring) identical to normal proosals.

Secondly, while I may agree with the idea that respect cropping up all over the place would be annoying, it should have absolutely no place in a Judge's reasoning. Saying "if this is true, bad things will happen" is the argument from adverse consequences, and that's a fallacy. If you don't like it, by all means change it, but don't try and make it go away by shutting your eyes to it.
]]
@@@
[[This is just what R404 does for an appeal.]]
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</proosal>

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:24:49 -0600 (CST)
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: B Nomic Business <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Grid stuff
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I move to (6,11).

I declare myself a Cheerleader for Team Turquoise.

-- 
[email-masked] | http://seishonagon.org
"Luckily, right at that moment, an unconscious Argentinian 
 fell through my roof!"      --Christian in "Moulin Rouge"

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:53:06 -0600 (CST)
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: B Nomic Business <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: Sirens and Cheerleaders
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{

[[
He put the pretty brown YSL baguette bag on the rock and headed 
off.  Suddenly, much sooner than he'd expected, he heard a squeal 
of delight.  "Oh my GAWD!  Will you look at THIS!" 

He froze.  Nervously, he glanced back over his shoulder, and 
saw...

Not a siren.  A girl in a silly-looking turquoise sweater and
short skirt was climbing up onto the rock, reaching for the bag.

He sighed in relief and kept walking away.  Of course.  He'd 
forgotten...
]]

Amend 494/0 by adding the following delimited paragraphs to the 
end.

{{
Siren Bait also works on Cheerleaders, only if the Cheerleader's 
declared gender is Female.  When a Female Cheerleader is in a 
Grid square immediately adjoining a piece of Siren Bait (either 
horizontally, vertically, or diagonally), the Cheerleader may 
only move within those squares, as if e were within a Siren's 
Zone of Enchantment.

The Cheerleader may attempt to take the Bait by declaring that e
is doing so in a public forum.  The Administrator rolls 1d6.  If
an even number is rolled, the Cheerleader takes the Bait.  Once
in eir possession, the Siren Bait becomes a Purse.  If the 
Cheerleader makes 3 unsuccessful attempts to take the Bait, the 
ZOE effect no longer applies.

[[
She could practically taste the shiny new MAC lipglass on her 
lips as she reached for the bag.  The strap was practically 
within her reach when, seemingly out of nowhere, another pale, 
slender hand seized hold of it.

"Hey!  I saw it first!"

"No way, babe.  This bag is MINE."

"Give it back!"

The cheerleader snatched at the bag, but the Siren dodged her 
neatly.  "Sorry, honey.  These bags aren't made for the likes of 
*you*."  Her pretty lips curled into a sneer.  Contemptuously, 
she turned on her heel and settled down to dig through the bag at 
her leisure.

She was so absorbed getting the cap off the new bottle of OPI 
Ecuadorable Coral that she didn't see the enraged Cheerleader 
coming at her...
]]

If a Siren appears before a Cheerleader can take the Siren Bait,
a Catfight ensues.  1d20 is rolled for the Cheerleader and for
the Siren.  Whoever gets the higher score wins the Catfight.  If
the Cheerleader wins, the Siren disappears and the Cheerleader
takes possession of the Bait.  If the Siren wins, the Cheerleader
goes into Limbo.

}}

[[
Well, that wasn't so hard.  The cheerleader dusted herself off 
and attempted to pat her hopelessly mussed hair back into place.  
Maybe the bag would have a hairbrush in it...
]]

}}

-Congenital Optimist

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 fell through my roof!"      --Christian in "Moulin Rouge"

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:56:52 -0600 (CST)
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: B Nomic Business <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Miscellaneous fixes
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{

Amend 495/0 by adding the following:
{{
Cheerleaders may be on the Grid or in Limbo.
}}

Amend 356/0 by adding the following:
{{
A Female Player stands a 1-in-10 chance of *not* being affected 
by a Siren.  If a Female Player enters the area that would be 
considered a Siren's ZOE, 1d10 is rolled.  On a roll of 1, the 
Player may move freely, as if the Siren does not exist.
}}

}}

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:05:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Gender
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I declare my gender to be Male.

Bean

P.S.  Mr. Admin, you're missing a </table> tag on the main page:
http://www.nomic.net/~g6/n2/.  Usually it doesn't affect me, as I use
Mozilla, however today I was relegated to Netscape 4.x...

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:28:57 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: My First Proposal v2.0
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

What the bell. I amend my proposal entitled "No, YOU Hide!" to be the
following:
{{
__No, YOU hide!__

[[
The smell of burning flesh filled the air. From my position in the trenches,
I could see nothing but the Gremlins flying back and forth overhead, leaving
smoky trails against the dull red sky, and the dirty Mud that surrounded me.
In the distance thunder boomed, as the Weather changed for the worse. The
Mud encasing me solidified suddenly, as a pair of Ice Gnomes rocketed by
overhead, but fortunately neither was aimed at me, and the Fire Gnome I had
grabbed earlier was already thawing out the frozen muck. 'Gremball is heck,'
I thought.

Suddenly, something caught my eye in the nearby mud. It was only a brief
glint, but for a moment I had been sure I was looking at something metallic
in the mud. I glanced around, then chucked my Fire Gnome hard in the
direction the Ice Gnomes had come from. While whoever threw them was busy
dodging, I dived forward and scooped frantically in the mud. I came up
holding a small metal talisman. It was about 3 inches on each side, and
shaped like one of the wooden masks the ancient Gremlins used to use for
their religious ceremonies.

Could it be....?

It was! I had found the Immunity Idol!

I laughed maniacally as I clawed my way out of the Mud onto the Metal square
nearby. "COME AND GET ME, WORLD!" I bellowed at the sport-torn Grid. And it
did.

Lightning crackled through the dank air as player after player tried to
curse me, but the curses slid off like an Ice Gnome on a griddle, leaving
smoking holes in the Metal below me. Gremlins flew from all directions, but
I merely caught them and held them, not even feeling the searing flames
engulfing my hands. There was a thunderous CRACK! as the PIG broke a tooth
on one of my suddenly invincible proposals. Out of the corner of my eye, I
saw a ball of flaming fur flying towards me. It was the King Gremlin,
zipping through the air with the horrified look of a Gremlin that knows it's
going to hit the Idol. Laughing, I raised the talisman as the King Gremlin
crashed into the square I was standing in.

There was a bright flash.

When my vision cleared, I was standing in a small, ordinary-looking room. It
was small - only about half as wide as a Square, and maybe two-thirds the
length. The ground was covered with some sort of carpet-like material,
unlike any terrain type I'd seen on the Grid. The walls were light blue, and
painted with purple flowers. There was music playing, too - easy listening
stuff, the sort you'd find as elevator music in an upper class hotel. A
little table in one corner held a small glass vase of daffodils in the shape
of some sort of Gnome. It didn't look like it had been tended much recently,
though - all the flowers were dead.

The only other piece of furniture in the room was a large, slightly worn
Chesterfield sofa, which was up against the far wall. And sitting on the
sofa....

"G'day Mate!" Sitting on the sofa was the richest Gremlin I'd ever seen. It
wore bright red silk clothing, trimmed with gold, and had a gold ring on
every finger. Its boots were made of bright silver, polished to the point
where it was painful to look at them. Next to it was a huge bag of what,
from where I was standing, looked like a few hundred points.

"The name's Enrique," it said.

"The Scoring Gremlin? But... but you're... Aren't you...?"

"In Hiding? That I am! And let me tell you, it's REALLY boring here."

"Here? You mean... This place... it IS....?"

"'Fraid so. Welcome to Hiding!"

"But how can I be here? I had the Idol! I was Invincible! I'm not supposed
to be sent to Hiding!"

"Ah, well, that's a bit unfortunate, innit, 'cause there's a little bug in
the ruleset, see?" Enrique pulled a tattered copy of the ruleset out of its
sack. "Let's see... Administrator...Emergency...Gender...Keywords, no, too
far... Ah! Here we go! Gremlins. Take a look at this passage right here."

He showed me the page.

"If a gremlin hits the player with the Idol, e immediately goes into
Hiding... Wait! That's supposed to be the Gremlin, not the me!"

"Ah, well, that's not what it says, is it?"

"But that's what it's SUPPOSED to say!"

Enrique laughed. "If the rules already said what they were 'supposed' to
say, then this wouldn't be much of a game, would it? If you don't like it,
FIX IT!"

"Fine!" I said. I pulled out my palm pilot, and sent a message to the Game
Commission.

"Not like that!" said the Gremlin, looking over my shoulder. "Be creative!"

"What do you mean, creative?"

"Like a Haiku or something! How about this:

]]
Replace the word "e"
With the new phrase "the Gremlin"
In rule 2 9 3
[["

"But that's dumb! I HATE Haikus!"

"Look, do you want points or not?"

"Fine, fine." I sent the revision to GamCom. "Now can I get out of here?"

"Certainly. Just click your heels together three times and say 'There's no
game like Nomic'"

"What?"

"Don't ask me why it works. I don't make the rules. Just do it."

"Alright." I sighed. "There's no game like Nomic. There's no game like
Nomic. There's no game like Nomic."

Enrique started smirking.

"Um... nothing's happening."

"Oops, my mistake," said Enrique. I got the impression he was trying hard
not to laugh. "The door's over there. Sorry!"

I hate Gremlins.
]]

}}

--Wonko

"If you were plowing a field, which would you rather use? Two strong oxen or
1024 chickens?"
    - Seymour Cray (1925-1996), father of supercomputing

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:00:21 -0500
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Revisions to "Removal of Cruft"
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In my proposal "Removal of Cruft":

I change paragraph 1 to read:
{{
1. In Rule 351, change the text {{ eir becomes (x+a-3,y+b-3) }} to {{ eir
coordinates become (x+a-3, y+b-3) }}.
}}
[[ Yes, this changes what paragraph 1 does entirely. It no longer messes
with the rule that forbids altering the past. The point about
accidental effects was well made. ]]

[[ Paragraph 2 - the rule already said "public view". The point is to
remove all the qualifications along the lines of "If there exists an
object known as the Clock...", and to put the Clock and the Watch
together in one rule. ]]

I change paragraph 4 to read:
{{
4. Remove the two last paragraphs of rule 216/0. Then append the
following paragraph:
{{
When proposing multiple rules, it is only necessary that the rules be
clearly delimited. The Standard Delimiters may serve this purpose.
}}
}}

I change paragraph 6 to read:
{{
6. Replace the second and third paragraphs of rule 300/1 with:
{{ Keywords are part of the game state. }}
}}

[[
That's the end of the changes. Here's the complete proposal after the
changes:

__Removal Of Cruft__
{{

1. In Rule 351, change the text {{ eir becomes (x+a-3,y+b-3) }} to {{
eir coordinates become (x+a-3, y+b-3) }}.

2. Modify rule 214/1 to read:
{{ The value of the Clock must be displayed in public view. If the Clock
is Off, the value of the Watch must be displayed in public view. }}

3. Repeal rule 215/0.

4. Remove the two last paragraphs of rule 216/0. Then append the
following paragraph:
{{
When proposing multiple rules, it is only necessary that the rules be
clearly delimited. The Standard Delimiters may serve this purpose.
}}

5. In Rule 260/1, change the text
{{ with the text "*name* gets a Kick in the Ass." }}
to
{{ indicating that e is giving that player a Kick in the Ass, and the
reason why. }}

6. Replace the second and third paragraphs of rule 300/1 with:
{{ Keywords are part of the game state. }}

7. In rule 301/3, remove the paragraph
{{ The distance between two squares is the square root of (the
difference in x-values of the squares squared plus the difference in
y-values of the squares squared). }}
[[ Rule 407, "Space", makes it redundant. ]]

8. In Rule 401/0, change the text {{ ZOE }} to {{ ZOE and ZATR }}.
[[ Right now Wax would not help you get away from a Siren. ]]

}}
]]

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:03:12 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proposals-Sheep, Shears
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__Notice how they do not so much fly as... plummet__

{{
__Sheep Gnomes__

There exist Gnomes call Sheep Gnomes. At the beginning of each nweek, 2
Sheep Gnomes shall drop upon random squares on the grid. If a Sheep Gnome
lands on a square occuppied by an impassable object, it is destroyed and the
square it landed on, each square consective to that square, and all objects
and entities in those squares gain the attribute Wet. If a Sheep Gnome lands
on a player, that player loses 1d4 points to the Gremlin Fund.
}}
}}

{{
__Shear a Sheep to Sponge a Square__

{{
__Shears__

There exist objects called Shears. Any player who does not have Shears may
pay 5 points to get them. Any player who possessess both Shears and a Sheep
Gnome may Shear the Sheep, in which case e gets a Cotton Sponge and eir
Sheep Gnome turns into a randomly selected other type of Gnome.
}}

{{
__Cotton Swabs__

There exist objects called Cotton Sponges.

If a player has a Cotton Sponge which is not Wet, e may Sponge the square e
is in. When a player Sponges a square, if that square or any object in that
square is Wet, then that square and those objects all become dry and the
Sponge gains the attribute Wet.

If a player has a Cotton Sponge which is Wet, e may Soak the square e is in.
When a player Soaks a square, if that square or any object in that square is
not Wet, then that square and those objects all become Wet and the Sponge
loses the attribute Wet.
}}

}}

--Wonko

 "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm
not sure about the former. "
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:08:29 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: It's not just for Breakfast anymore!
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Happy New NYear!

I request my free Beer Can.
I drink the Beer.

--Wonko

"Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't
cure. "
- Ross MacDonald

Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:32:02 -0600 (CST)
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: B Nomic Business <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Re: Proposal: Sirens and Cheerleaders
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In the proposal "Sirens and Cheerleaders" amend the following 
paragraph

{{
Siren Bait also works on Cheerleaders, only if the Cheerleader's 
declared gender is Female.  When a Female Cheerleader is in a 
Grid square immediately adjoining a piece of Siren Bait (either 
horizontally, vertically, or diagonally), the Cheerleader may 
only move within those squares, as if e were within a Siren's 
Zone of Enchantment.
}}

by adding to the end

{{
However, Balls of Wax do not protect against Siren Bait.
}}

Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:17:25 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: The Real (for my first it held?  This hour. 
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

__ Negation, it spreads out, it hides,! _ _

[ [ 
The burning murderous intent smell filled an air. thu Inside the wrench from
my location, with me anything above the next head but rear Gremlins
misconduct, there was not a ball, to me and and the trail where the smoke is
dense, and enveloped more le it is dull the fortune mud the sky which is
deep-red it headed and it left. The thunder for the more bad thing as the
weather which is changed, skyrocketed inside distance. When the pair of ice
Gnomes it rushed to the side of the indirect rain, the encasing me it was
sudden it holds in me and it solidified, the fortune knows which piece but
well in in me under aiming the highland anh, to go out, one it steams and
the non Gnome which it grabs e was thawing already from the muck. ' The
Gremball hell, ' it is a I thought.

It is sudden, silence it seized my eye inside the thin near mud. The multi
bay it was a short glint, by me but it was positive or for a moment metal
silence the report which will split it was inside the mud. I in
circumference, that time as my non this the Gnome by the ice eagerly Gnomes
wass ess ten en intention saw from hereupon lightly inside direction. This
case of who they ten the period dodging which falls it was busy, was, I in
the future dived and me tu the frantically i ladled inside. I the talisman
catch the small metal and it came with the piece. Regarding 3 inches, they
religion will be cool in in the angle and side to respect in order to use
the ancient times Gremlins when it is used one dog of the mask which becomes
the tree together under forming and. It....

Authorization possibility it was?

Was it,! I discovered an exemption Idol!

It will go out and on up of metal square my method of the mud nearly at the
outside percentage khwi ess when being, I the maniacally laughed. " Three
total it gets my, come! " I sports bellowed in the lattice which it tears.
And it. 

After trying the fact that the bow will curse to me the lightning as the bow
in dank air the crackled and but imprecation in my lower part inside the
metal the smoke me ice Gnome falling America kku le fell in the griddle
which leaves the hole. It fumigates by my hand engulfing other was not the
sense which is equal rises and the Gremlins flew from all directions, I was
simple but and it seized they and it caught. The thunderous crack iss ess
all! The pig me will be sudden and it will reach to invincible Anui one
thing, it broke and when.

I from of the corner of my eye to me saw the public affairs of flaming fur
misconduct. The Gremlin the Gremlin which it knows smallness lum it causes
and when in the Hanbo flag in air it locks with the zipper, hitting the
target the Idol which is a wages going. The wages will go out and the father
swess when being, laugh, I the talisman will come in the Gremlin square
which is standing in inside lyess c.

The flash which dawns it was.

When me time doing clearly, I, formality saw the room from inside the small
thing. It with the square thing as was wide together anti-, with possibly it
referred to the this of length dividing into three parts, - only. The ground
went out and step it did the grudge to sleep e with the terrain shedding of
blood which trembles different water calamity it burnt in the lattice and
and to sleep, in together el E for type, teph ess c. The wall the light
green onion lah, frequently so in the color flower. Too much - is easy and
the material which listens to it divided, music you up type lake theyl as
elevator music will discover theyn place type were inside. Inside one corner
the small table trumpet repair reconciliation caught the small separation my
anger bottle el inside the shape of E for type of Gnome. it it as the vast
quantity which goes recently, is long but it did not see, - all flowers
died. 

That outside formation of a cabinet of the furniture the distant secluded
village it does in the thing plan which is only and comfort the Chesterfield
which is it is big, it was slight and it wears a sofa which it was. And it
sits in the sofa....

" G'day colleague! " Sitting in the sofa to go out and step do until now and
and the grudge sleep it was a Gremlin which floated most. It dawned and to
wear the silk clothing, put in order in the gold, and the gold ring kac ass
in the each finger c. Seeing they it boot the obligation which dawns, in the
place wess ten smallness takk it was manufactured with the lump. Goes out
and, what different meaning which it sees hundred things which are few was
the unit which is enormous to smallness together afterwords it in from the
place which is standing.

" Name Enrique, " it talked.

" Marks obtained Gremlin? But... It spreads out but to be, c... anh It is
not, it spreads out...? "

" It hides inside? Am I, all,! And it real from here. " Make the fact that
it is scraping out talks to me and " from here?

It spreads out, it means... This place... Is it....?

" It is like this " ' the }fraid{. Hides the illusion! " " I was from here
as but and the bedspread R cloth it connected? To me there was a Idol,! I
was the Invincible,! I hide to send, it does not assume,! "

" It was unfortunate and the insect where in small quantity the Ah which is,
well, the innit ' is small inside the ruleset which is from that place
becomes the cause, it sees? " The Enrique the tattered copy of the ruleset
of it sack was stimulated at the outside. " See... Administrative tube...
State of emergency... Characteristic... Keyword and negation, too much
far... Ah! From here we go,! }gremlins{. It has and go transit volume li it
sees from here. " 

He was visible a page in in me.

When " the gremlin hits the target the bow in the Idol, the E hides with
goes toward the enemy immediately... Expectation! That the Gremlin, in order
the convenience which is not it assumes in me! "

" What Ah which talks, well, it is? "

" But that! " 

Talks and the Enrique which is what it assumes laughed. When as this rule of
what is talks already, language it does and " ' the family ', that time this
does and vast quantity of game, it it does to sleep? When you do not like
it, FIX it! " 

" It was precise,! " I talked. I my palm pilot was stimulated at the
outside, i sent a message to game task.

" That is not! " It talked the Gremlin which it sees in my shoulder. " iss u
Ten:00 bedspread creation! "

" You what it means, creation? "

" The Haiku or the silence together! This it peeled and it referred,:
] ] 
In new phrase Gremlin " 93 pretends
[ [ 
" " but that is the mute inside word " E " systematic 2

",! Me the Haikus which it hates! "

" It sees, by smallness you it wants or is not? "

" It was precise, it was precise. " I sent opening a court to the GamCom. "
I which am now possibility will get from at here outside? "

" It is positive. Together it was legitimate, presses four your heels time
and from something to say ' that place Nomic game ' "

" what? " 

" It works to peel, it does not ask why in in me to dry. I do not
manufacture a rule. Do only it. "
" }alright{. " Me }sighed{. " There is not a Nomic game. The Nomic there is
not a game. The Nomic game which is not. "

The Enrique started the smirking.

" }um{... It happens, me anything. "

" My mistake of the Oops, " it talked the Enrique. Me it got the impression
which tries the fact that he does not laugh eagerly. " From there it bites.
Sensibility it is,! "

I left. 

I ] hate the }gremlins{., ]

-- Wonko 

" you to do you rather and when it changes one field sleep, in order to use?
Two the recruit smallness or 1024 it is strong? "
    Father of supercomputing, - Seymour Cray (1925-1996 year) 

Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:21:10 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Inside sheep and scissors  
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

They... The plummet
__ with the thing vast quantity flight range it peels together and like this
__ 

Higher Civil Service Examination

__ both Gnomes __ 

from that place the Gnomes both Gnomes which it shouts it exists. Initially,
2 both Gnomes of the each nweek will airdrop to a random square in the
lattice. The pretense where the Gnome lands to square in the side of
impassable aim the occuppied, being destroyed, the square which lands above,
in that square consective each square, with the all target and existence
water gets the attribute which gets wet inside that square. When both Gnome
land to the bow, that bow 1}d{4 smallness loses in the Gremlin fund,

__ the sheep it was orderly in the scissors sponge, __
__ __ from that place it cuts as the scissors exists the aim which it calls.

In order to get they to the what kind of bow which does not have the
scissors 5 things smallness it pays it does not know. The possessess if the
scissors and sheep all Gnome the box is randomly selected as that outside
shedding of blood of the }gnome{. the E, it gets the sponge and a eir both
Gnome rotation, cuts the sheep the what kind of bow which it does not know

__ cotton Swabs __ 

from that place as the cotton sponge exists the aim which it calls. When it
has the cotton sponge where the bow does not get wet, the E does not know
the sponge log which has a square E in inside. The bow wipes a square and
when when putting out, that square or what kind of aim gets wet inside that
square, that square and that aim of that time all construct and and they
become the attribute which gets wet in sponge profit. When it has the cotton
sponge where the bow gets wet, inside is the E, the map which will make wet
a square E it does not know. When the bow makes wet a square, and if that
square or the what kind of aim does not get wet, becomes the that time milk
inside that square which that target all you it does diagonally the sponge
does

-- Wonko which lose the attribute which gets wet
" only thing Wuhan of the cranium, outer space and the human being e li
three Um and, I am not previously "
    - ayl under the certainty regarding butt Einstein (1879-1955 year) ci

Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:22:48 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: It for the breakfast is not legitimately over! 
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It was happy and the new NYear!

I me demand the free pulse week empty tin-can.
I drank a pulse week, c.

-- 
Wonko 

" anything rise " will not treat inside unit both level, theyn the place
khayl li the gun ni Oh it is not incorrect,
    - Ross MacDonald 

Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:45:31 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Attemptatbeeragain
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

iwilltrythisagain: 

I take a free beer.

Wonko 

", if you cannot do you more débarasser of the skeleton in your cabinet, you
it better would teach, over to dance " - George Bernard Shaw

Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:48:08 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: It went out and it got and and the pulse week
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I drink my beverage

Wonko

Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:53:15 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Thursday afternoon)
Sender: [email-masked]
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Okay, here we go again...

"Removal of Cruft" is 506/0.
"Roast the PIG" is 507/0.
"Temperature" is 508/0. (Why, oh why, is everyone working so damn hard to
bring back the Yeti?)
"Cinquains Suck" is 509/0.

"Only running is boring IV" is 510/0.
"Ow! That's gotta hurt!" is 511/0.
"Bean is SOOOO f***ing bitter" is 512/0.
The Voter Colonel is revised (491/1).
"Grandpa, that's Maggie" is 513/0.

Glotmorf is cool enough to not take credit for points that don't belong to
em: for 485/0, 11 points are transferred to Wonko from Glotmorf.
(Fortunately, this doesn't upset the Token or Idol or anything.) Ditto for
1 point of Charm and 1 point of Entropy.

I've added a link to the PIG Calculator on the homepage. (If Glotmorf
doesn't object, I may copy it to the B Nomic server, just to get rid of
the ads.)

Glotmorf can't give the Scarf to Bean until the end of this nweek, so eir
request to transfer the Scarf is disregarded.

"Stop to think." is 514/0.
"Exclusive doors." is 515/0, with the caveat that if passed, in its
present form, I will have to veto it on technical grounds (there's already
a game object using the serial number 123). Try just creating a rule,
giving it arbitrarily high Chutzpah, and make *that* self-repealing.

Congenital Optimist's move is queued. And e's a Cheerleader! (Yay
Turquoise!)

"Sirens and Cheerleaders" is 515/0.
"Miscellaneous Fixes" is 516/0.

Bean has a Gender. (E may have had one before; if this is the case, I
apologize profusely.)

"No, YOU hide!" is revised (505/2).
"Removal of Cruft" is revised (506/1).

"Notice how they do not so much fly as... plummet" is 517/0.
"Shear a Sheep to Sponge a Square" is 518/0.

"Sirens and Cheerleaders" is revised (515/1).

Um... yeah, the damn Sushi. I'm treating the properly Sushi-fied versions
of everything as new revisions (since the most recent revision is the only
one that counts, the effect is the same as my un-recognizing everything,
except it saves me like fifteen minutes of work).

(Or maybe not. Something in the massive punctuation of this seems to
confuse the database, something fierce.)

"Negation, it spreads out, it hides,!" will be 505/3 as soon as I find out
why the database refuses to accept it.

"They... The plummet with the thing vast quantity flight range it peels
together and like this" is 517/1.

Wonko takes a Beer, and drinks it, acquiring a Beer Can and a BAC of 1.

I think that's it, really.

Except for the db not liking a proposal. And the fact that I'll need to
figure out how to deal with repealed rules now. And the grocery shopping
for that date. Okay, so that's not it at all.

I need a Beer.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
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a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:45:40 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Thursday afternoon)
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On 3/28/02 at 9:53 PM David E. Smith wrote:

>I've added a link to the PIG Calculator on the homepage. (If Glotmorf
>doesn't object, I may copy it to the B Nomic server, just to get rid of
>the ads.)

I'm cool with that.  I'd actually hoped to have it on nomic.net by now; Joel ith thetting up an ID for me to develop Nomic-related toolth with.  Thinth ith in Javathcript, it thould work jutht ath well if you thave the page and run it locally.

						Glotmorf

Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:51:25 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Wonko'th propothal 518
Sender: [email-masked]
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Given that Wonko felt the need to rethubmit eir propothalth in thuthified form, thould that have included p518?  Or ith p518 a thtrange thort of typo, thinthe it lookth a little like an unthuthified verthion of p517?

						Glotmorf

From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:07:17 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proosal: And yet you are possessed.
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<proosal>
<title>And yet you are possessed.</title>
<body>
Create a new rule with the following @@@-delimited text:
@@@
Remove the last sentence of rule 10, and then repeal this rule.
[[The whole of rule 10 is pointless. That sentence, though, is tragically so - it does precisely nothing, as this proosal demonstrates.]]
@@@
</body>
</proosal>

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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:10:27 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proosal 515 revision
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I amend proosal 515, "Exclusive doors.", by removing the text "numbered 123 and". It'll still have the Chutpah to override the CFJ, but it won't confuse the admin's database. ;-)

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:08:32 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Proosal 515 revision
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On 3/29/02 at 8:10 AM Gavin Doig wrote:

>I amend proosal 515, "Exclusive doors.", by removing the text "numbered
>123 and". It'll still have the Chutpah to override the CFJ, but it won't
>confuse the admin's database. ;-)
>
>uin.

I feel compelled to note that, ath per r259, Uncle Pthy hath jutht amended Flaming Gremlin named Bruthe #515.

						Glotmorf

From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:22:38 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proosal: Making crazy sounds.
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<proosal>
<title>Making crazy sounds.</title>
<body>
[[The rules are big enough, without having redundant ones. Let's clean up.]]
Repeal rule 150 [[duplicated by R152]].
Repeal rule 155 [[proosals can override it anyway (c.f. CFJ 254, and CFJs can't "call for effects" anyway]].
Repeal rule 259.
Repeal rule 358 [[never been used, and you can do it anyway]].
</body>
</proosal>

Oh, and I drink a glass of champagne, which apparently I may do.

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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:24:32 -0500
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Proosal 515 revision
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> >I amend proosal 515, "Exclusive doors.", by removing the text "numbered
> >123 and". It'll still have the Chutpah to override the CFJ, but it won't
> >confuse the admin's database. ;-)
> >
> >uin.
>
> I feel compelled to note that, ath per r259, Uncle Pthy hath jutht amended
> Flaming Gremlin named Bruthe #515.

Oop, how careless of me to make that typo. Lucky it was just in a message, where we can treat it as a typo, not in some actual game document, like a rule or proosal.

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From: "Gavin Doig" <[email-masked]>
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:26:23 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proosal: A Santa that will never come.
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<proosal>
<title>A Santa that will never come.</title>
<body>
Repeal rule 212.
[[You know you want to.]]
</body>
</proosal>

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From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: The Bandit Gremlin--A nice, tasty, PIG alternative.
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:36:21 -0500
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{{ __And his merry men, too!__

Create a new rule entitled __The Bandit Gremlin__ with the following 
-0-delimited text:

-0-
There exists a Gremlin known as the Bandit Gremlin, also known as  Robin.  
At the end of each nweek, Robin chooses a random proposal which passed which 
was on the ballot for that nweek.  Robin then takes all points which were 
given to the proponent of that proposal due to it's passing from em and 
gives them to the Gremlin Fund.  If Robin's random choice is invalid for any 
reason, e makes another random selection.  If Robin is unable to choose a 
passing proposal for any reason, e goes into Hiding for one nweek.
-0-

Amend rule 293 by adding the following -00- delimited text immediately 
following item number 8 on the list in that rule:

-00-
9)May NOT have any of eir proposals chosen by Robin.
-00-

}}

As the subject suggests, this is a nice way to have the random chaos caused 
by the PIG, but without the widespread destruction.

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From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: CFJ
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:43:57 -0500
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__CFJ__

Statement: Rules 500 and 501 do not exist.

Analysis: Neither rule amends rule 293 to define how Guido and Copper, both 
of whom arguably affect players directly, would have an effect on a player 
who holds the Immunity Idol, as is required by rule 293:

"Any rule which creates a gremlin which directly affects players must also 
amend this rule to specify how that gremlin would affect the player with the 
Idol."

I name the authors of the rules as defendants. [[Wonko and BvS, I believe.]]

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:54:35 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Friday morning)
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Comments:

Yeah, it looks as though p518 should be Sushified at some point (assuming
it's Wonko's). (I'm operating under the assumption that Wonko will, as
soon as it's legal, get rid of the Sushi and re-submit legible revisions
of everything. May I suggest one of the inactive/on-leave players -- I'm
pretty sure they're legal recipients of the Sushi, and it'll make life so
much easier for everyone else.)

"And yet you are possessed." is 519/0 and contains very confusing logic.
If I may ask, how is Rule 10 pointless? (Yeah, the last sentence is
debatable -- and I wrote the damn thing. But how do you get there for the
rest of the rule? If game entities aren't obliged to actually follow the
damn rules, we might as well be playing Calvinball.)

Good thing that whole "in order" thing is still part of the rules --
apparently, I'd accidently handed out #515 twice.

So, this time around, "Exclusive doors." is 520/0 and 520/1.

"Making crazy sounds." is 521/0.
Uncle Psychosis drinks a complimentary glass of champagne (gaining 4 Style
points but no BAC, oddly). E can't stagger around on the Grid, seeing as
how e's in Limbo, so e merely looks rather silly. (Hey, I didn't write
that one... it's in the rule. honest.)

Oh $DEITY, not again... "A Santa that will never come." is 522/0.

"And his merry men, too!" is 523/0.

I cannot legally recognize The Voice's CFJ, as it names more than one
defendant, which the rules do not permit.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:25:58 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: RE: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Friday
 morning)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Gavin Doig wrote:

> Go me! I may look silly, but I'm now the 3rd most stylish entity in the
> game!
>
> I drink an infinite number of glasses of champagne, and then do the
> dance of filtering-your-mail-into-folders-by-to-field.

Now you look even more silly, since you only get one freebie.

...dave

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: CFJ
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:41:36 -0500
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Well, this isn't good. Okay, then, I'm going to try this:

{__If at First You Don't Succeed, Skydiving is Not For You__

[[
      Copper sat at er shiny new desk, awaiting er first assignment in the 
now relatively peaceful post-riot Bville. However, despite alcohol 
consumption in the city skyrocketing in the past week, peace still reigned. 
Perhaps, e thought, it was the very prospect of er wrath that was keping the 
peace. Yes, surely that was it. E put er feet up on the desk, content that 
existing was all that was needed in this job. A sudden knock on the door 
interrupted er reverie.
      "Come in."
      Two male players entered. The leading one had a faint aura about him 
of almost intangible power, and a smug look about his face. Copper 
recognized em as The Voice, one of the leading players in Bville. The second 
player wore an emblem on his tunic, a crowned squirrel set on a cross, and a 
worried look on his face.
      "Baron! What a pleasant surprise!" Copper greeted er creator happily. 
"And your Voiceness," his tone changing to worry at the look on BvS's face, 
"what brings you here today? Not another riot, I hope?"
      "Go ahead, Baron," The Voice said, with the air of a great orator, and 
the voice to match, "Tell him."
      "Copper, he's subpoenaed us."
      "What?"
      "And Wonko. Apparently, you're not Idol-compliant. Nobody knows what 
effect you'll have on the Immunity Idol, so /he/," jerking a thumb at The 
Voice, who was looking around the office with a faint sneer on his face, 
"wants you and Guido liquidated."
      "Liquidated, my good Baron? Hardly. They don't exist. The laws of the 
Nomiverse say that they cannot exist. Once the courts recognize this, they 
will return to where they came from." With this, The Voice pulled a sheet 
out of his robe, presenting it to Copper. "A petition to have your existence 
invalidated."
      "But there's only one signature on this, yours! How is this a 
petition?"
      "Baron, can't you create intelligent Gremlins? Never mind, I suppose 
you'll get it eventually. Just keep trying to propose things. Gremlin, it 
only takes one to CFJ. Now then, as you can see, since the rule that created 
you did not edit R293, you can?t exist.?
      ?Baron, isn?t there anything you can do?? Copper asked plaintively. ?I 
don?t want to not exist!?
      The Baron suddenly looked thoughtful. ?Voice, give me that CFJ a 
second?? He read it over once or twice, then spoke with renewed hope. ?Well, 
it seems there is really only that one problem. Copper, would you take this 
down and send it off to the Admin??
]]

Add the following k:-O delimited text to the end of the list in Rule 293:

k:-O
10) May NOT be apprehended by the Police Gremlin, unless eir BAC is greater 
than or equal to 5, in which event they are still apprehended, but no points 
are taken from em.
k:-O

[[
      A flicker of surprise shot over The Voice?s features, but was soon 
suppressed, and the old smug look came back. ?Good, Baron. You are getting 
better at this yet, but you have forgotten something important. If this CFJ 
is judged before voting ends, your original rule will not exist.?
      The Baron?s surprise was not as well contained as The Voice?s. ?I just 
fixed the problem, Voice! What more do you want from me??
      BvS was spared the Voice?s answer by Copper?s secretary entering the 
room. E looked briefly at the players standing there, glaring knives at each 
other, and placed a copy of the Friday Morning Daily Recognizer on Copper?s 
desk and walked out. Copper looked at the two players, who, having recovered 
from the interruption, were having a heated argument. He wondered if it 
might be simpler to arrest The Voice for causing a disturbance, but then his 
eye fell on one of the headlines.
      ?Baron?? e called.
      BvS turned. ?What??
      ?You might want to look at this.?
      Baron von Skippy read the proffered paper. ?Proposals, CFJs? oh, it?s 
this CFJ. Let?s see?? E read for a few seconds, then looked up at The Voice 
with a fire in his eyes. E cleared his throat and read the article. ??The 
Admin today announced that the CFJ brought forth by The Voice against Baron 
von Skippy and Wonko is illegal under the rules because it names more than 
one player as Defendant.? Well, Voice, I do believe that concludes our 
business here.?
      ?What? That?s impossible.?
      ?I?m afraid it?s not just possible, it?s happened. Now, please leave.?
      ?This isn?t over, Baron! I?ll CFJ you and Wonko separately!  The 
people must know of your violation of the laws!?
      ?Copper, kindly show this gentleman the door.?
      After The Voice had been removed from the building, BvS and Copper 
held an emergency meeting.
      ?I have a plan, Copper. E?ll CFJ again, but we can protect ourselves. 
You won?t cease existing if I can help it. I wrote this up while you were 
dragging em out into the street:
]]

If Rule 501 has been removed from the ruleset, create a new rule with the 
following +0:-) delimited text:

+0:-)
There exists a Gremlin known as the Police Gremlin, or Copper. If Beer Cans 
exist, and one is thrown, and Copper is within one space of the person who 
threw it before it hits, Copper apprehends the player who threw the can.

When Copper apprehends a player for throwing a Beer Can, Copper takes 1dN 
points from that player, where N is ((the thrower's BAC + 1)(the number of 
times the thrower has been apprehended before + 1))/(that player's Respect + 
1), rounded up, and gives half that number of points, rounded up, to the 
Gremlin Fund, and half that number of points, rounded down, to the player 
who was hit with the Beer Can.

Any player may, at any time, any number of times per nweek, move Copper one 
space in any direction by paying 1 point/space.

If Copper does not apprehend any players for 2 nweeks, e goes into Hiding. 
If a Beer Can is thrown, and e is in Hiding, e comes out of Hiding.
+0:-)

[[
      ?But that?s the original rule!?
      ?Yes, but this time the R293 problem has been fixed. However, if the 
original rule is deleted, it?ll need to be reinstated to make the R293 
revision you sent in earlier do anything.?
      ?I see.?
      ?Well, I must be going. Good luck, Copper.?
      ?Goodbye, Baron, and thank you.?
]]
}

Sorry that was so long. I hope I got all the pronouns in it right...

                                          Cheers,
                                            BvS

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From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Mmm... Beer...
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:44:51 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I claim my free can of Beer, but don't drink it yet.

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:09:48 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Sushi
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 I give the sushi to acoustic

-- Wonko 
hatred do hook quality

Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:12:01 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Sushi
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I give Sushi to the voice

-- Wonko 
hates fish

Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:21:20 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Ahhh...
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

There, that second one makes sense. I almost forgot about the
Eng-Ger-Fre-Eng option with the Sushi.

Now then,

I amend all my proposals to be in the last unsushiied from I posted.

By the way, what's with all this "Kill the PIG! Death to Cinquains!" etc.
attitude? Sure, we don't like them, but couldn't we find some more creative
way to deal with them? Like this:

{{
__The Curse of the Cinquain__

In r399, replace the sentence "The Form Bonus for a Cinquain is 3 points."
with "The Form Bonus for a Cinquain is the loss of 3 points of Charm and 2
point of Respect, plus a point loss equal to the points gained by the
proponent for that proposal."

Append to r213 the text
"The aforementioned restrictions on messages do not apply to messages if
those messages contain nothing but a proposal in Cinquain form with no
comments and, optionally, a signature."
}}

--Wonko
Save the Gremlins!

From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Friday morning)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:23:16 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>I cannot legally recognize The Voice's CFJ, as it names more than one
>defendant, which the rules do not permit.
>
>...dave

I hereby resubmit said CFJ, naming no defendant.

-0- Thus Spake The Voice -0-
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From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: didn'trealizeaboutsushi
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:29:37 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

}nodefendants{. of equality CFJ

acoustic.

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To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: proosal
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:56:01 +0000
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__proosal__

Amend rule 259 by changing the text between the third and fourth " to read:
 {{
  Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch
 }}
}}

Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:13:58 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Nomilogue #4
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _These are the Voyages of the DimShip Benomicant_

[[

"So...think they'll launch at the end of the week?"

"They think so.  They're sure gonna try."

"This'll be a first flight, right?  Shakedown cruise?"

"Yeah.  That's why the backer's taking the chief engineer along."

"Poor bastard.  Glad they didn't need me."

"Why?  The prototype came back okay."

"Yeah, but what about the other prototype?"

"What other prototype?"

"Exactly."

"...Oh."

"No one's saying what happened to the first one, except it's why they were using pigs in the second one."

"Thought they used monkeys for that sort of thing."

"Didn't you see 'Alien'?  Pig guts are real close to human guts.  They wanted to see if the trip would scramble people's insides."

"Charming."

"But disrespectful.  I hear they think one of the pigs is stranded in the Snob Realm."

"Have you thought about how weird all this extradimensional stuff is?"

"I try not to.  Seen the ship?"

"Yeah.  It's really...it's kinda...I thought it was...it's..."

"Bland?"

"Yeah.  I don't get it.  It's supposed to travel through dimensions, right?  But it looks so...boring."

"Think that has to do with the dimensions...all these subjective terms for them.  Maybe the ship has to be boring so that it doesn't bias itself in any one direction."

"That make sense to you?"

"Nope.  Guess that's why I don't have an advanced degree."

"But boring or not, people are gonna climb inside and ride it somewhere, I guess.  They issued a policy update today."

"Musta missed that.  What's it say?"

]]

Append to the last paragraph of rule 493 the following:

"A DimShip, once built, can be launched at the end of the nweek."

[[

"Huh.  And it's built, isn't it?  The...Benomicant?"

"Yep.  That's why they had the barbecue party.  By the way..."

"Yeah?"

"Whatever happened to that last test pig?"

"Well, I can see why *you* don't have an advanced degree..."

]]

}}

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Colo(u)r
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:07:10 +0000
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 I select Bean to be my co-Color Commentator.

 WC.

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: On the road again...
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:51:47 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I mosey on over to (12,6).

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From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: On the road again...
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:52:46 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Okay, if this already went through, kindly disregard the last one...

I mosey on over to (6,12).

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From: "Tyler Crosby" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Irunto(14,10)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:17:39 -0500
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In I run, (14,10).

--acoustic

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:22:05 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Revisionization
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I revise my "Apathy Clause" proposal in its entirety to the following:

{{ __Death, Taxes...__

[[ Some things are just inevitable. Like the fact that, whether or not
this passes, I'll be offline for a few days. ]]

At 00:00:01 UCT on April 18, 2002, The Clock shall be turned Off until the
Watch reaches 3 wdays, at which point the Clock shall be turned On.

}}

I'll recognize it, and everything since the last recognizer mail, sometime
soon.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:53:54 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: The Curse of the Cinquain v2.0
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In my proposal, __The Curse of the Cinquain__, replace the text:

"The aforementioned restrictions on messages do not apply to messages if
those messages contain nothing but a proposal in Cinquain form with no
comments and, optionally, a signature."

with:

"The aforementioned restrictions on messages do not apply to messages if and
only if those messages contain nothing but a proposal in Cinquain form with
no comments and, optionally, a signature."

--Wonko

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with
sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. "
- Galileo Galilei

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 03:36:03 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Thurprithe!
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I change my thtatuth to "off the grid".

I enter the grid at (12,10).

I join Team Turquoithe.

I tackle the Voithe.

						Glotmorf

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:26:37 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Propothal: adminithtrative rethtructuring
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _Hey, Don't Let Me Stop You_

Insert, after the first paragraph of rule 396, the following paragraph:

"The Administrator may also make any number of proposals that restructure or change the appearance of an existing rule without changing the content or meaning of the rule."

}}

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:51:07 -0500
From: "Glotmorf" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{ _Rearranging the Football Furniture_

Replace Rule 394 in its entirety with the following [[identical to the original, but rearranged]]:

A. Definitions

A.1. The Game

There exists a game known as Football. Football is played on The Grid between two teams: Team Turquoise and Team Crimson. Each team has a player roster. 

A.2. The Football

There exists an entity known as The Football. The objective of each team is to bring the Football to eir designated "end-zone" in the possession of one of the players on eir Team Roster. For Team Turquoise, the end-zone is any location on The Grid with x-coordinate equal to 1. For Team Crimson, the end-zone is any location on The Grid with x-coordinate equal to 20. 

B. Playing on a Team

Players may place eir names on the roster of either Team by posting eir intention to do so in a public fourm, but may do so only if eir name is not already on a roster, if they are on The Grid, and if the roster of the Team they wish to join does not have more players than the other Team [[You can only join a team if the team sizes are equal, or if you're joining the smaller team]]. 

A player may remove eir name from a roster at any time e is not in possession of the Football by posting eir intention in a public forum. After removing eir name from a player roster, a player may not add eir name to a roster for one nweek. If a player is ever in Limbo, eir name is removed from any player rosters it may be on. 

Players whose names are on a Team's roster are considered to be "playing Football". All actions taken by a player with regards to the game of Football must be posted in a public forum. 

C. The Football

C.1. Possessing the Football

Any player playing Football who is at the same location as the Football may pick it up. That player is considered to be "in posession" of the Football. If a player is in possession of the Football, it moves with that player. A player may not pick up the Football if it is in the possession of another player. 

C.2. Tackling

If a player is playing Football, and the player in posession of the Football is not farther than two units away from eir location, e may tackle the player with the Football. The player making the tackle immediately moves to the same location as the player being tackled. Both the tackling and the tackled players do not move at the end of the nweek, even if they had already declared movement. The Football is placed in the possession of the player on the tackling player's Team who is furthest from eir end-zone. 

C.3. Fumbling

If a Player is playing Football, and is in possession of the Football, and enters a Grid location containing a MO, there is a 25% chance that Player will Trip and Fall. If said same Player enters a Grid location containing Mud, there is a 50% chance that Player will Slip and Fall. If said same Player enters a Grid location containing both Mud and a MO, there is a 25% chance of Tripping and Falling and a 50% chance of Slipping and Falling, with only a 25% chance of not Falling. If e falls, there is a 50% chance e will Fumble the Football, and a 20% chance e will Fumble another object in eir possession, randomly selected. Fumbled objects will, if at all possible, move to a Grid location adjacent to the Player's location; said location will be selected using a roll on a 1dN, where N is the sum of the following weights, for those locations available to movement: 

- the location in the same direction as the Player's attempted movement: 3 

- each of the locations on either side of the above: 2 

- each of the remaining locations: 1 

for a total of 10 if all adjacent locations are available. The possible die values will be allocated to the locations based on their weight. 

D. Movement

D.1. Metrics

When calculating any distance with regard to the game of Football the Euclidean metric is always used, except when calculating a Player's distance to eir end-zone. The distance from a Player to eir end-zone is the absolute value of the difference between eir x-coordinate, and the x-coordinate of eir end-zone. 

D.2. Running

If a player is playing Football, instead of moving as specified in rule 301, e may move to any location which is less than or equal to three units from eir current location. Moving in such a way is known as running, and a player must specify that e is running in order to move in this manner. If after a player runs, e occupies the same location as a Shiny Thing or a Scary Dark Thing, eir score changes by only 1/5 of the amount defined in rule 301. This rule supercedes rule 301 in this respect. Movement by running otherwise occurs in accordance with rule 301 (with respect to timing, restrictions, etc.). 

D.3. Drives

A Drive, when referring to Football, is defined as the period of time between when one of the players on a team is first in posession of the football and the soonest point at which a player on that team is not in possession of the football. [[ This def'n may have to change, but it'll work for now ]] The Line of Scrimmage of a Drive is defined as the locations on The Grid which have the same x-coordinate that the Football did at the beginning of the Drive. 

D.4. Special Movement

Players playing Football may only use Elbonian Airways to fly at a square within 7 units of them. The player holding the Football may not use Elbonian Airways at all. A Player playing Football may not use Curt and Rod to move as specified in rule 402 unless e is not carrying the football and the football is at least 7 squares away from eir destination. 

E. Scoring

If a Team succeeds in bringing the Football to eir end-zone in the possession of one eir players, all members of the Team gain 20 points, and the Football is placed at one of (10, 10), (10, 11), (11, 10), or (11, 11) with equal probability. 

}}

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:32:00 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Eh. Why not?
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

{{
__Repeal rule 150.__
150 is dumb.
Therefore, we should repeal it.
Repeal 150.
}}

--Wonko

"640K ought to be enough for anybody. "
    - Bill Gates (1955-), in 1981

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:21:47 -0600 (CST)
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: B Nomic Business <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Thurprithe!
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Sat, 30 Mar 2002, Glotmorf wrote:

> I join Team Turquoithe.
> 
> I tackle the Voithe.

Push 'em back, push 'em back
Waaaay back!
Go Turquoise!  WOOOOOOO!

-Congenital Optimist

-- 
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"Luckily, right at that moment, an unconscious Argentinian 
 fell through my roof!"      --Christian in "Moulin Rouge"

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Toast
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:01:54 +0000
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

 I claim my free glass of Champagne, raise it in a toast to Her Royal
Majesty Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother of England, and drink it.

 WC.

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:01:48 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal - Enrique
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I amend my proposal entitled __Repeal rule 150.__ in its entirety to be the
following:
{{
__Back from Exile__

In rule 296,
Append the text ", also known as Enrique" to the first sentence.

and

Replace the words "is recognized" with "passes" in the second sentence.
[[so we only need to worry about Enrique at the end of the nweek]]

then

Make Enrique Active.
}}

--Wonko

"If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" "
    - Will Rogers

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:27:34 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Giving Credit
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I append to my __Back from Exile__ proposal the sentence:

"Transfer one quarter of the points gained by Wonko from the passing of this
proposal from Wonko to Glotmorf"

After all, Enrique was eir idea for a name.

--Wonko

"Attention to health is lifes greatest hindrance. "
    - Plato

"Plato was a bore. "
    - Friedrich Nietzsche

"Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal. "
    - Leo Tolstoy

"I'm not going to get into the ring with Tolstoy. "
    - Ernest Hemingway

"Hemingway was a jerk. "
    - Harold Robbins

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:28:52 -0500
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Detach Weather from reality
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I amend proposal 508 (Temperature) by inserting the following paragraph
at the beginning:
{{
0. Amend Rule 405/1 by removing the following text:
", which are the same as the weather where the administrator resides (or
in another place of his choosing"
}}

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:42:01 -0500
To: [email-masked]
From: Eric Gerlach <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: And Bean's proposal goes *crunch*
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, the bad news is that Glotmorf's reorg of Football crushes the 
tele-tackle fix.  The good news is that I have one more proposal this week, 
and I can fix the loophole int he roster rules that Glotmorf just pointed 
out. (Note that the Voter Colonel was proposed last nweek)

{{
__Fixing Football (reprise)__

Revise rule 394 in the folllowing manner:

- Replace the text: "The player making the tackle immediately moves to the 
same location as the player being tackled." with the text "The player 
making the tackle immediately moves to a random, vacant location adjacent 
to the player being tackled (within one unit, measured by Cartesian 
metric). If no such location exists, the tackling player is immediately 
placed into Limbo."

- Replace the text: "After removing eir name from a player roster" with the 
text "After eir name is removed from a player roster"
}}

Revise proposal 511 to read:
{{
__Vote yes on this, it's a no-op__

All points gained by this proposal's proponent for it's passage are given 
to the Gremlin Fund.

Bean's charm decreases by one.
}}

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Rule revision
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:54:10 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Well, I was going to wait until the original proposal was recognized, but it 
doesn't seem to be happening, so I'll try to do this before it's too late.

In my proposal from this nweek, replace

"If Rule 501 has been removed from the ruleset, create a new rule with the 
following +0:-) delimited text:"

with

"If there is no rule entitled The Police Gremlin, make a rule with
that name that reads as follows:"

and remove all occurances of the sequence of characters "+0:-)" from that 
proposal.

Does this work?

                                            BvS

The letters in
"To be or not to be: that is the question, whether tis nobler in the mind to 
suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune"
can be rearranged to spell
"In one of the Bard's best-thought-of tragedies, our insistent hero, Hamlet, 
queries on two fronts about how life turns rotten."

I don't think I want to play whoever came up with this in Scrabble...

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:22:15 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: Cinquains become less pleasant.
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In my proposal, __The Curse of the Cinquain__, replace the text:

"The aforementioned restrictions on messages do not apply to messages if and
only if those messages contain nothing but a proposal in Cinquain form with
no comments and, optionally, a signature.."

with:

"The aforementioned restrictions on messages do not apply to messages if and
only if those messages contain nothing but a proposal in Cinquain form with
no comments and, optionally, a signature, and the proponent has made fewer
than 3 Cinquain proposals that nweek."

and the text:

"The Form Bonus for a Cinquain is the loss of 3 points of Charm and 2
point of Respect, plus a point loss equal to the points gained by the
proponent for that proposal."

with:

"The Form Bonus for a Cinquain is the loss of 3 points of Charm and 2
point of Respect, plus a point loss equal to the points gained by the
proponent for that proposal plus 5.

--Wonko

"Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't
cure. "
- Ross MacDonald

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:56:17 -0500
Subject: spoon-business: CFJs
From: Wonko <[email-masked]>
To: Business Nomic <[email-masked]>
Blobman: 1
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm not certain whether or not The Voice actually resubmitted eir CFJ (the
msg was a bit confusing), and it needs some other Gremlins on it anyway, so
I make two CFJs:

{{
__There is no Gremlin__

Statement: The rules defining The Golden-Armed Gremlin, Guido, and Copper do
not exist, and the rule defining The Five-Star General Gremlin does not
exist if The Five-Star General Gremlin directly affects players.

Defendant: None
}}

{{
__That's Corpse, SIR to you!__

Statement: The Five-Star General Gremlin directly affects players.

Defendant: The Voice
}}

--Wonko

"If you can't get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you'd best teach it to
dance."
- George Bernard Shaw

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The right to bear arms
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:35:12 -0500
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Add the following SAXAPHONE delimited text to my as-yet-unrecognized 
proposal, placed between the end of the text and the three delimiters ( "]] 
}" ) at the very end:

SAXAPHONE
      A few days pass?
      ?Wonko CFJ?d? You can?t be serious!?
      ?It?s all over the news, Baron. If this CFJ is judged true, half the 
Gremlins in Bville wink out of existence.?
      ?The half created by me, the Voice, and Wonko, that is.?
      ?Yes, sir.?
      ?All right, I?ll get right on it. Have Andre meet me in the conference 
room.?
      ?Yes, sir.?
      15 minutes later, Andre, legal council to Baron von Skippy, met er 
employer for an emergency meeting.
      ?Well, Andre, what do you have for me??
      ?Baron, it doesn?t look good. Any Judge in eir right mind would have 
to decide TRUE for this one.?
      ?I thought I had saved Copper by making him Idol-compliant,? the Baron 
muttered angrily. ?So, what hoops must I jump through to save him now??
      ?Well, Baron, I?ve been looking at the ruleset, and I think I?ve found 
the solution.? The Baron grimaced slightly at the memory of that failed 
proposal and attempt at haiku. ?Oh, sorry, sir. Anyway, here it is.?
]]

Delete the third paragraph of Rule 293.

[[
      ?That?s it??
      ?Well, sir, that?s the trouble part, the part that reads ?Any rule 
which creates a gremlin which directly affects players must also amend this 
rule to specify how that gremlin would affect the player with the Idol.? 
Without it, this problem disappears.?
      ?But without it, how will Gremlins be Idol-compliant??
      ?It will be assumed that the holder of the Idol is immune to all 
effects of that Gremlin, unless the effects have been specified by an 
amendment to Rule 293. Such amendments will be at the creator?s discretion.?
      ?Can it actually work??
      ?Oh, yes, sir, and it clears up this major problem. If we send it off 
soon enough, we can save Copper this nweek, a nice side bonus.?
      The Baron leaned back, a smile spreading across his face. ?Good work, 
Andre. Fire it off, and we?ll see if we can?t resolve this little problem 
before it erupts into another wave of riots.?
      Andre did so, and left the room and BvS looking pensively out of the 
conference room?s windows at Bville outside.
SAXAPHONE

There, I think I've nailed down just about everything...

                                            Cheers,
                                              BvS

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From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Troops shall not be quartered without consent
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:46:09 -0500
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Okay, so Word screws up quotation marks and apostrophes. Replace the 
entirety of my last amendment to this infernal proposal with the following 
ARG-delimited text:

ARG
      A few days pass?
      "Wonko CFJ?d? You can?t be serious!"
      "It?s all over the news, Baron. If this CFJ is judged true, half the 
Gremlins in Bville wink out of existence."
      "The half created by me, the Voice, and Wonko, that is."
      "Yes, sir."
      "All right, I?ll get right on it. Have Andre meet me in the conference 
room."
      "Yes, sir."
      15 minutes later, Andre, legal council to Baron von Skippy, met er 
employer for an emergency meeting.
      "Well, Andre, what do you have for me?"
      "Baron, it doesn?t look good. Any Judge in eir right mind would have 
to decide TRUE for this one."
      "I thought I had saved Copper by making him Idol-compliant," the Baron 
muttered angrily. "So, what hoops must I jump through to save him now?"
      "Well, Baron, I?ve been looking at the ruleset, and I think I?ve found 
the solution." The Baron grimaced slightly at the memory of that failed 
proposal and attempt at haiku. "Oh, sorry, sir. Anyway, here it is."
]]

Delete the third paragraph of Rule 293.

[[
      "That?s it?"
      "Well, sir, that?s the trouble part, the part that reads 'Any rule 
which creates a gremlin which directly affects players must also amend this 
rule to specify how that gremlin would affect the player with the Idol.' 
Without it, this problem disappears."
      "But without it, how will Gremlins be Idol-compliant?"
      "It will be assumed that the holder of the Idol is immune to all 
effects of that Gremlin, unless the effects have been specified by an 
amendment to Rule 293. Such amendments will be at the creator?s discretion."
      "Can it actually work?"
      "Oh, yes, sir, and it clears up this major problem. If we send it off 
soon enough, we can save Copper this nweek, a nice side bonus."
      The Baron leaned back, a smile spreading across his face. "Good work, 
Andre. Fire it off, and we'll see if we can?t resolve this little problem 
before it erupts into another wave of riots."
      Andre did so, and left the room and BvS looking pensively out of the 
conference room's windows at Bville outside.
ARG

                                            Not so cheery,
                                                 BvS

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From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
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Subject: spoon-business: No search and seizure without a warrant
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:57:27 -0500
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Gah. I missed some things. This is almost comical. It's late, I'm not 
functioning... Replace the previous amendment to the amendment to my 
proposal for this nweek with the following WILLTHISTORTURENEVEREND-delimited 
text:

WILLTHISTORTURENEVEREND
      A few days pass...
      "Wonko CFJ?d? You can?t be serious!"
      "It?s all over the news, Baron. If this CFJ is judged true, half the 
Gremlins in Bville wink out of existence."
      "The half created by me, the Voice, and Wonko, that is."
      "Yes, sir."
      "All right, I?ll get right on it. Have Andre meet me in the conference 
room."
      "Yes, sir."
      15 minutes later, Andre, legal council to Baron von Skippy, met er 
employer for an emergency meeting.
      "Well, Andre, what do you have for me?"
      "Baron, it doesn?t look good. Any Judge in eir right mind would have 
to decide TRUE for this one."
      "I thought I had saved Copper by making him Idol-compliant," the Baron 
muttered angrily. "So, what hoops must I jump through to save him now?"
      "Well, Baron, I?ve been looking at the ruleset, and I think I?ve found 
the solution." The Baron grimaced slightly at the memory of that failed 
proposal and attempt at haiku. "Oh, sorry, sir. Anyway, here it is."
]]

Delete the third paragraph of Rule 293.

[[
      "That's it?"
      "Well, sir, that's the trouble part, the part that reads 'Any rule 
which creates a gremlin which directly affects players must also amend this 
rule to specify how that gremlin would affect the player with the Idol.' 
Without it, this problem disappears."
      "But without it, how will Gremlins be Idol-compliant?"
      "It will be assumed that the holder of the Idol is immune to all 
effects of that Gremlin, unless the effects have been specified by an 
amendment to Rule 293. Such amendments will be at the creator's discretion."
      "Can it actually work?"
      "Oh, yes, sir, and it clears up this major problem. If we send it off 
soon enough, we can save Copper this nweek, a nice side bonus."
      The Baron leaned back, a smile spreading across his face. "Good work, 
Andre. Fire it off, and we'll see if we can?t resolve this little problem 
before it erupts into another wave of riots."
      Andre did so, and left the room and BvS looking pensively out of the 
conference room's windows at Bville outside.
WILLTHISTORTURENEVEREND

I need a drink... Oh, wait, I'm holding one. I drink my beer.

                                              Bottoms up,
                                                 BvS

The letters in
"To be or not to be: that is the question, whether tis nobler in the mind to 
suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune"
can be rearranged to spell
"In one of the Bard's best-thought-of tragedies, our insistent hero, Hamlet, 
queries on two fronts about how life turns rotten."

I don't think I want to play whoever came up with this in Scrabble...

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 13:39:45 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer, Part 1 (Sunday Morning)
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I'll do as much of this as I can before I leave for work in about a
half-hour...

"If At First You Don't Succeed, Skydiving Is Not For You" is 524/0.
BvS claims a free Can of Beer.

Wonko gives the Sushi to The Voice, then restores eir proosals to the
non-Sushi'd version (517/2), (505/4).

"The Curse of the Cinquain" is 525/0.

The Gremlins-that-might-not-be CFJ is 526, assigned to Wild Card.

"proosal" is 527/0.

These are the Voyages of the DimShip Benomicant" is 528/0.

Since Bean is playing Football, e is ineligible to be the co-Color
Commentator.

BvS' Grid movement is queued.
The Voice's Run is queued.

"Apathy Clause" is revised to "Death, Taxes..." (504/1).

"The Curse of the Cinquain" is revised (525/1).

Glotmorf can't leave the Grid, and the rest of eir actions (re-entering
the Grid, joining a Football Team, and then Tackling) all seemed to be
predicated on the ability to do the first (illegal) thing, so for now I'm
not acknowledging any of the other requests.

"Hey, Don't Let Me Stop You" is 529/0.
"Rearranging the Football Furniture" is 530/0.

The very succinct "Repeal rule 150." is 531/0.

Wild Card drinks eir free glass of Champagne (staggering one square on the
Grid to (4,19), and scoring 2 Style Points in the process).

531 is renovated to "Back from Exile" (531/1).

That's all for this half-hour. I'll get to everything else this evening,
Goddess willing.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    http://metadave.net/
http://www.bureau42.com/       http://whatIsay.com/

"There is so much randomness in the world that it's
a dice roll whether I'm happy or depressed." - TMCM

From: "Alex Truelsen" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: The right to not incriminate oneself
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:25:32 -0500
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All right, this is the final time I'm doing this. Glotmorf, thank you for 
your Notepad suggestion. That's all it took. Last time I try to edit 
punctuation at 11:30...

Replace the entirety of Proposal 524 with the following ONCOMINGTRAIN 
delimited text:

ONCOMINGTRAIN
{__If at First You Don't Succeed, Skydiving is Not For You__

[[
      Copper sat at er shiny new desk, awaiting er first assignment in the 
now relatively peaceful post-riot Bville. However, despite alcohol 
consumption in the city skyrocketing in the past week, peace still reigned. 
Perhaps, e thought, it was the very prospect of er wrath that was keping the 
peace. Yes, surely that was it. E put er feet up on the desk, content that 
existing was all that was needed in this job. A sudden knock on the door 
interrupted er reverie.
      "Come in."
      Two male players entered. The leading one had a faint aura about him 
of almost intangible power, and a smug look about his face. Copper 
recognized em as The Voice, one of the leading players in Bville. The second 
player wore an emblem on his tunic, a crowned squirrel set on a cross, and a 
worried look on his face.
      "Baron! What a pleasant surprise!" Copper greeted er creator happily. 
"And your Voiceness," his tone changing to worry at the look on BvS's face, 
"what brings you here today? Not another riot, I hope?"
      "Go ahead, Baron," The Voice said, with the air of a great orator, and 
the voice to match, "Tell him."
      "Copper, he's subpoenaed us."
      "What?"
      "And Wonko. Apparently, you're not Idol-compliant. Nobody knows what 
effect you'll have on the Immunity Idol, so /he/," jerking a thumb at The 
Voice, who was looking around the office with a faint sneer on his face, 
"wants you and Guido liquidated."
      "Liquidated, my good Baron? Hardly. They don't exist. The laws of the 
Nomiverse say that they cannot exist. Once the courts recognize this, they 
will return to where they came from." With this, The Voice pulled a sheet 
out of his robe, presenting it to Copper. "A petition to have your existence 
invalidated."
      "But there's only one signature on this, yours! How is this a 
petition?"
      "Baron, can't you create intelligent Gremlins? Never mind, I suppose 
you'll get it eventually. Just keep trying to propose things. Gremlin, it 
only takes one to CFJ. Now then, as you can see, since the rule that created 
you did not edit R293, you can't exist."
      "Baron, isn't there anything you can do?" Copper asked plaintively. "I 
don't want to not exist!"
      The Baron suddenly looked thoughtful. "Voice, give me that CFJ a 
second?" He read it over once or twice, then spoke with renewed hope. "Well, 
it seems there is really only that one problem. Copper, would you take this 
down and send it off to the Admin?"
]]

Add the following k:-O delimited text to the end of the list in Rule 293:
k:-O
10) May NOT be apprehended by the Police Gremlin, unless eir BAC is greater 
than or equal to 5, in which event they are still apprehended, but no points 
are taken from em.
k:-O

[[
      A flicker of surprise shot over The Voice's features, but was soon 
suppressed, and the old smug look came back. "Good, Baron. You are getting 
better at this yet, but you have forgotten something important. If this CFJ 
is judged before voting ends, your original rule will not exist."
      The Baron's surprise was not as well contained as The Voice's. "I just 
fixed the problem, Voice! What more do you want from me?"
      BvS was spared the Voice's answer by Copper's secretary entering the 
room. E looked briefly at the players standing there, glaring knives at each 
other, and placed a copy of the Friday Morning Daily Recognizer on Copper's 
desk and walked out. Copper looked at the two players, who, having recovered 
from the interruption, were having a heated argument. He wondered if it 
might be simpler to arrest The Voice for causing a disturbance, but then his 
eye fell on one of the headlines.
      "Baron?" e called.
      BvS turned. "What?"
      "You might want to look at this."
      Baron von Skippy read the proffered paper. "Proposals, CFJs? oh, it's 
this CFJ. Let's see?" E read for a few seconds, then looked up at The Voice 
with a fire in his eyes. E cleared his throat and read the article. "'The 
Admin today announced that the CFJ brought forth by The Voice against Baron 
von Skippy and Wonko is illegal under the rules because it names more than 
one player as Defendant.' Well, Voice, I do believe that concludes our 
business here."
      "What? That's impossible."
      "I'm afraid it's not just possible, it's happened. Now, please leave."
      "This isn't over, Baron! I'll CFJ you and Wonko separately!  The 
people must know of your violation of the laws!"
      "Copper, kindly show this gentleman the door."
      After The Voice had been removed from the building, BvS and Copper 
held an emergency meeting.
      "I have a plan, Copper. E'll CFJ again, but we can protect ourselves. 
You won't cease existing if I can help it. I wrote this up while you were 
dragging em out into the street:
]]

If Rule 501 has been removed from the ruleset, create a new rule with the 
following +0:-) delimited text:

+0:-)
There exists a Gremlin known as the Police Gremlin, or Copper. If Beer Cans 
exist, and one is thrown, and Copper is within one space of the person who 
threw it before it hits, Copper apprehends the player who threw the can.

When Copper apprehends a player for throwing a Beer Can, Copper takes 1dN 
points from that player, where N is ((the thrower's BAC + 1)(the number of 
times the thrower has been apprehended before + 1))/(that player's Respect + 
1), rounded up, and gives half that number of points, rounded up, to the 
Gremlin Fund, and half that number of points, rounded down, to the player 
who was hit with the Beer Can.

Any player may, at any time, any number of times per nweek, move Copper one 
space in any direction by paying 1 point/space.

If Copper does not apprehend any players for 2 nweeks, e goes into Hiding. 
If a Beer Can is thrown, and e is in Hiding, e comes out of Hiding.
+0:-)

[[
      "But that's the original rule!"
      "Yes, but this time the R293 problem has been fixed. However, if the 
original rule is deleted, it'll need to be reinstated to make the R293 
revision you sent in earlier do anything."
      "I see."
      "Well, I must be going. Good luck, Copper."
      "Goodbye, Baron, and thank you."

      A few days pass...
      "Wonko CFJ'd? You can't be serious!"
      "It's all over the news, Baron. If this CFJ is judged true, half the 
Gremlins in Bville wink out of existence."
      "The half created by me, the Voice, and Wonko, that is."
      "Yes, sir."
      "All right, I'll get right on it. Have Andre meet me in the conference 
room."
      "Yes, sir."
      15 minutes later, Andre, legal council to Baron von Skippy, met er 
employer for an emergency meeting.
      "Well, Andre, what do you have for me?"
      "Baron, it doesn't look good. Any Judge in eir right mind would have 
to decide TRUE for this one."
      "I thought I had saved Copper by making him Idol-compliant," the Baron 
muttered angrily. "So, what hoops must I jump through to save him now?"
      "Well, Baron, I've been looking at the ruleset, and I think I've found 
the solution." The Baron grimaced slightly at the memory of that failed 
proposal and attempt at haiku. "Oh, sorry, sir. Anyway, here it is."
]]

Delete the third paragraph of Rule 293.

[[
      "That's it?"
      "Well, sir, that's the trouble part, the part that reads 'Any rule 
which creates a gremlin which directly affects players must also amend this 
rule to specify how that gremlin would affect the player with the Idol.' 
Without it, this problem disappears."
      "But without it, how will Gremlins be Idol-compliant?"
      "It will be assumed that the holder of the Idol is immune to all 
effects of that Gremlin, unless the effects have been specified by an 
amendment to Rule 293. Such amendments will be at the creator's discretion."
      "Can it actually work?"
      "Oh, yes, sir, and it clears up this major problem. If we send it off 
soon enough, we can save Copper this nweek, a nice side bonus."
      The Baron leaned back, a smile spreading across his face. "Good work, 
Andre. Fire it off, and we'll see if we can't resolve this little problem 
before it erupts into another wave of riots."
      Andre did so, and left the room and BvS looking pensively out of the 
conference room's windows at Bville outside.

]] }

Let that be the end of it.

                                               BvS

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Subject: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer, Part 1 (Sunday Morning) 
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:10:31 +0100
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
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 I Call for Judgement on the following quote (text of CFJ is below -
{|{-delimited):
> Since Bean is playing Football, e is ineligible to be the co-Color
> Commentator.

 I also make a proposal:

{{
__You can't have Footballing co-Color Commentators__

[[
 `And here in the box with me is Bean, member of Team Turquoise.  How
does it feel to be playing football Bean?'

 `Very good, although it takes forever to run across the pitch, and
the tackles are a bummer.  But, Wild Card, how can I be here and on
the pitch playing at the same time?'

 `Well, you see...
 {|{
  Rule 436 says that `At the beginning of each nweek, the
  Administrator will choose at random a player who is not playing
  Football to be the Color Commentator for the nweek.' and that 
  `The Color Commentator may also, at eir discretion, select a second
  player to be co-Color Commentator, in which case both players hold
  the title for the duration of the nweek. '

  However, it does not say that the co-Color Commentator has not to be
  playing Football.  Therefore Wild Card successfully selected Bean to
  be the co-Color Commentator.
 }|}'

 `But that's silly!'

 `Indeed, therefore I propose that:
]]

 In rule 436, to the first paragraph, at the end, add the text {{The
Title "Color Commentator" may not be given to any player who is
playing Football.}}.

 In rule 436, replace the words {{a player who is not playing
Football}} with the words {{an elegible player}}.

[[.  Do you think that that will solve the problem?' ]]
}}

Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:17:22 -0600
From: "Karin L. Kross" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Misc amendments
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Amend 515/1 by changing the following delimited statement:

{{
When a Female Cheerleader is in a Grid square immediately adjoining a piece
of Siren Bait (either horizontally, vertically, or diagonally), the
Cheerleader may only move within those squares, as if e were within a
Siren's Zone of Enchantment. However, Balls of Wax do not protect against
Siren Bait. 
}}

to read as follows: 
{{
When a Female Cheerleader is in a Grid square immediately adjoining a piece
of Siren Bait (either horizontally, vertically, or diagonally), the
Cheerleader may only move within those squares.  The effect is similar to a
Siren's Zone of Enchantment. However, Balls of Wax do not protect against
Siren Bait, and Cheerleaders cannot roll to escape the Zone.
}}

Amend 516 by adding the following delimited statement:

{{
If a player who has left the ZOE unaffected returns to the ZOE, or enters a
new ZOE, e must roll 1d10 again to see if eir immunity to the Siren remains
good. 
}}