Subject: spoon-business: Motion to add Player
From: Miggsy Fox <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 10:23:23 -0700 (PDT)

I am making a Motion to Add the Player, Miggsy Fox,
who is hereby intended to be named 'Ectomorph' in the
game.

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To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: current Go board
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:11:43 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Here is what I believe to be the current state of the Go board:

   a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s 
 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 3 . . . . . . . J . J J C C . . . . . . 
 4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . 
 5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . 
 6 . . . .  . M . . . . . . . . C . C . 
 7 . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 8 . . . D . . . . K . K . . . . C . . . 
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . 
10 . D . . D . . . K . K . B . B . . . . 
11 . . D . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
12 . . . . . . . P . . . . . . B . . . . 
13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . 
14 . . . . . . P . G . . . . . . . . S . 
15 . P . . P . . . . . S . . . . S . . . 
16 . . . . . . G . . . . . S . . . . . . 
17 . . G . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . 
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . . 
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z 

Active Alliances:
D  Dave: KCP
J  Joel: C
G  Joerg: BS
C  Poulenc: PMKDJ
P  PurpleBob: CKD
W  Blest Lax Monk Pal: K
B  Benjamin: SGK
M  M'cachessilnath: C
K  The Kid: DCPBW
S  Jeff Schroeder: BG

Offered Alliances:
C  Poulenc: D
K  The Kid: M
D  Dave: P
S  Jeff Schroeder: Z
K  The Kid: W

-- 
J.

Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 17:52:57 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I take my free stone for the week and play it at D15.

   a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s 
 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 3 . . . . . . . J . J J C C . . . . . . 
 4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . 
 5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . 
 6 . . . .  . M . . . . . . . . C . C . 
 7 . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 8 . . . D . . . . K . K . . . . C . . . 
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . 
10 . D . . D . . . K . K . B . B . . . . 
11 . . D . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
12 . . . . . . . P . . . . . . B . . . . 
13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . 
14 . . . . . . P . G . . . . . . . . S . 
15 . P . P P . . . . . S . . . . S . . . 
16 . . . . . . G . . . . . S . . . . . . 
17 . . G . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . 
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . . 
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z 

Active Alliances:
D  Dave: KCP
J  Joel: C
G  Joerg: BS
C  Poulenc: PMKDJ
P  PurpleBob: CKD
W  Blest Lax Monk Pal: K
B  Benjamin: SGK
M  M'cachessilnath: C
K  The Kid: DCPBW
S  Jeff Schroeder: BG

Offered Alliances:
C  Poulenc: D
K  The Kid: M
D  Dave: P
S  Jeff Schroeder: Z
K  The Kid: W

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 19:01:16 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Schroeder <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go Move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I take my free stone for the week and play it at L16.  Zagarna had accepted 
my alliance so the board below should be correct.

    a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
  1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  3 . . . . . . . J . J J C C . . . . . .
  4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
  5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . .
  6 . . . .  . M . . . . . . . . C . C .
  7 . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  8 . . . D . . . . K . K . . . . C . . .
  9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . .
10 . D . . D . . . K . K . B . B . . . .
11 . . D . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . P . . . . . . B . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . P . G . . . . . . . . S .
15 . P . P P . . . . . S . . . . S . . .
16 . . . . . . G . . . . S S . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

Active Alliances:
D  Dave: KCP
J  Joel: C
G  Joerg: BS
C  Poulenc: PMKDJ
P  PurpleBob: CKD
W  Blest Lax Monk Pal: K
B  Benjamin: SGK
M  M'cachessilnath: C
K  The Kid: DCPBW
S  Jeff Schroeder: BGZ

Offered Alliances:
C  Poulenc: D
K  The Kid: M
D  Dave: P
K  The Kid: W

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Go move
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 19:43:03 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I take my free stone for the nweek and play it at b8.

   a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s 
 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 3 . . . . . . . J . J J C C . . . . . . 
 4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . 
 5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . 
 6 . . . . M . M . . . . . . . . C . C . 
 7 . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 8 . J . D . . . . K . K . . . . C . . . 
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . 
10 . D . . D . . . K . K . B . B . . . . 
11 . . D . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
12 . . . . . . . P . . . . . . B . . . . 
13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . 
14 . . . . . . P . G . . . . . . . . S . 
15 . P . P P . . . . . S . . . . S . . . 
16 . . . . . . G . . . . S S . . . . . . 
17 . . G . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . 
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . . 
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z 

Active Alliances:
D  Dave: KCP
J  Joel: C
G  Joerg: BS
C  Poulenc: PMKDJ
P  PurpleBob: CKD
W  Blest Lax Monk Pal: K
B  Benjamin: SGK
M  M'cachessilnath: C
K  The Kid: DCPBW
S  Jeff Schroeder: BG

Offered Alliances:
C  Poulenc: D
K  The Kid: M
D  Dave: P
S  Jeff Schroeder: Z
K  The Kid: W

-- 
J.

Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:23:47 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: So, did I win?
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Joel, as soon as you're caught up with the business for the past few weeks,
could you start assigning some of the RFJs we have? IIRC, there's one that
tries to claim I didn't win because I broke the spirit of a rule I wrote, and
there's one I made which attempts to determine whether Debts still exist after
scores reset (I think they shouldn't).
-- 
Rob Speer

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Motion, Proposal recognition, etc
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 22:21:52 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following Proposals, previously recognized, are now on the page:

P465/0, Fix the Showdown, by PurpleBob

The following Proposals were previously misnumbered, and are now on the 
page:

P467/0, Remove the debt system, by Joerg
R467/1	Remove the debt system, by Joerg

The following Proposals are recognized:

P466/0, Awards and Fines should be known before voting starts, by Joerg
P468/0, Go moves fix, by Joerg
P469/0, [untitled], by Dave

The following Motions are recognized:

M36/0, Motion to Amend Trivially, by Dave
M37/0, Motion to Amend Trivially, by Dave	
M38/0, Motion to Add, by David Chudzicki
	
The following Motions received unanimous consent a long time ago:

M35/0, Motion to Add, by Aranor

Other important things:

As a result of M35/0, Aranor is now a Player. Everyone say hi to Aranor.

This covers all of the recognitions up to 9 May.

-- 
J.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Motion recognition
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 22:42:31 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following Motion is recognized:

M39/0, Motion to Add, by Ectomorph

-- 
J.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Rules update
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:10:03 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The Rules are now current to 20 April. More to come...

-- 
J.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: mostly current now
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:31:00 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Three new RFJs are now on the page that need Judges assigned to them. I 
believe Zagarna is the OSJ right now, so e needs to recognize them. If it 
turns out that I'm wrong and someone else is the OSJ, then, likewise, 
whoever that is needs to recognize them.

There are a bunch of active Proposals right now:

P466/0, Awards and Fines should be known before voting starts, Joerg
P467/1, Remove the debt system, Joerg
P468/0, Go moves fix, Joerg
P469/0, no title, Dave

The next voting period starts on 16 June, and I'm calling for a quorum vote 
just so we can establish how many people are still around.

Based on the current Rules, it's unclear to me whether PurpleBob's win 
cleared the Go board or not. Perhaps I'll ask for a Judgment on that.

-- 
J.

Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:44:33 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: I don't want to be the Banker
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A while back I decided to run against Joerg for the Banker, but happened to do
it after voting had already started. However, that may have caused me to still
be nominated. I withdraw my nomination, because with the current state of the
game it would rather suck to be the Banker.
-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:48:02 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Looks like I win again
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It has been over 2 days (9, in fact) since Miggsy Fox made a Motion to be added
to the game as 'Ectomorph', and nobody objected. Hence, it seems that Ectomorph
is now a player, and thus the bank gets $500.

I attain 500 points in Pooker by playing 5 Five-of-a-Kinds and 2 Full Houses,
as follows:

A 5-of-a-kind of all the 3s in the Red deck plus the Blue 3 of Hearts, and
similarly for 4s, 5s, 8s, and 9s;
in the Red deck: the King of Hearts, King of Spades, King of Diamonds, Queen of
Hearts, and Queen of Clubs;
and in the Blue deck: the King of Hearts, King of Spades, King of Diamonds,
Queen of Hearts, and Queen of Clubs.

I make the (demonstrably true) assumption that nobody can exceed my Pooker
score, and so I claim 500 points, which are transferred from the bank.

Thus having 500 points and 20 rules, I win again.

-- 
Rob Speer

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Some new proposals
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:33:23 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

As for some strange reason no one proposed this yet, I propose to repeal =
all Pooker rules.

\begin{proposal}
\title{No Pooker}

Repeal rules 394, 395, 396, 397 and delete the last paragraph from rule =
399.

\end{proposal}

Note that this doesn't repeal card games or cards, it just removes the =
card game Pooker. I'm not sure if card games should be completely =
removed.

I also think that, as it's still unclear if PurpleBob won the game (and =
if he did, it's unclear what happened to the debts, Go stones, etc.), we =
do need a full reset of the game state to be able to get back to =
actually playing. I make the following proposal:

\begin{proposal}
\title{Reset the game}

At the end of the voting period in which this proposal was voted upon:

- set the score of each player to 10 points,

- set the score of the bank to 1000 points,

- remove all debt objects,

- remove all Go stones from the board and transfer all Go stones to the =
bank,

- cancel all alliances between Go players,

- and transfer ownership of all rules to the bank.

No scoring shall happen for the voting period in which this proposal was =
adopted.

\end{proposal}

I also revise my proposal P467/1, reomve the debt system, as follows:

\begin{proposal}
\number{567}

Remove the following text from the proposal:

Create a new rule entitled "Debt transition" with the following text:

"For each debt object, the banker shall perform the point transfer =
required to satisfy the debt and the debt shall be destroyed. No =
permission to perform the point transfer is required from the creditor =
or the debtor.

As soon as all debts are destroyed, this rule and rule 347 (Debts are =
Objects) shall be repealed automatically."

\end{proposal}

Finally, I withdraw P457/0 (which is inactive anyway).

J=F6rg

From: =?us-ascii?Q?Jorg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: spoon-business: Looks like I win again
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:33:25 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just looked through the pooker rules again, as I wanted to make a =
proposal to repeal them, but then I noticed that you didn't win (maybe).

I make the following RFJ:

The dealer cannot have any Pooker Hands and cannot achieve any Pooker =
score. PurpleBob did not win the game (neither the first nor the second =
time).

Analysis:

Rule 394/0 defines the purpose of Pooker to "have the best Pooker Hand =
or combination of Pooker Hands". According to Rule 397/0, Pooker scores =
are awarded for Pooker Hands. By rule 396/0, the "Player who has the =
highest total Score of eir Poker Hand(s) is awarded a number of Points =
from the Bank [...]".

A "Hand" is, by definition of rule 388/0, the "collection of all cards =
which a player besides the Dealer owns."

As the Dealer does not have a "Hand", e cannot achieve any Pooker score, =
so PurpleBob did not win the game.

Note that a "Hand" is not necessarily the same as a "Poker Hand", as a =
Player may, during showdown, chose how to arrange eir cards into Poker =
Hands (rule 396/0). It will be up to the Judge to decide whether "Poker =
Hands" and "Hands" are the same.

Jorg

From: =?us-ascii?Q?Jorg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: RE: spoon-discuss: Looks like I win again
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:03:17 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> So all eir PCards are in both Poker Hands while simultaneously=20
> not being in
> both. Therefore, true implies false, following the rules implies=20
> not following
> the rules, logic ceases to exist, and every event that could=20
> never possibly
> happen in the Nomic happens simultaneously.
>=20
> That's not good. So whoever gets that RFJ, be sure to rule it false.

Err... looks like you could be right. I withdraw my RFJ.

Joerg

From: =?us-ascii?Q?Jorg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: RE: spoon-discuss: Some new proposals
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:03:20 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Why do this? I liked how the Go game was going. Furthermore, I=20
> don't see why
> the Go game would be reset if I won - Go stones are not scores.

Someone questioned if Go stones were reset as well. And Joel brought up =
the idea of restarting the game with a smaller board, so we could =
actually see some action.

Anyway, I don't want the proposal to fail just because everyone likes =
the current state of Go (I do like it, too), so I'll remove these =
passages.

I revise my proposal as follows:

\begin{proposal}
\title{Reset the game}
\number{not recognized yet}

At the end of the voting period in which this proposal was voted upon:

- set the score of each player to 10 points,

- set the score of the bank to 1000 points,

- remove all debt objects,

- and transfer ownership of all rules to the bank.

No scoring shall happen for the voting period in which this proposal was =
adopted.

\end{proposal}

Joerg

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Prop recognition
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:10:33 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following Proposals are recognized:

P470/0, No Pooker, Joerg
P471/0, Reset the game, Joerg
P467/2, Remove the debt system, Joerg
P471/1, Reset the game, Joerg

-- 
J.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 26
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:21:58 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

(My internet connection stopped working last night, or I would have had the 
ballot out then. Grr.)

The following Proposals are on the Ballot for nweek 25:

P465/0, Fix the Showdown, PurpleBob
P466/0, Awards and Fines should be known before voting starts, Joerg
P467/2, Remove the debt system, Joerg
P468/0, Go moves fix, Joerg
P469/0, [no title], Dave
P470/0, No Pooker, Joerg
P471/1, Reset the game, Joerg

-- 
J.

From: Antonio <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: some rfjs recognized
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:57:35 +0200
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

the following RFJs are recognized:

46/0: No point objects and no debt objects currently exist.
	assigned to M'cachessilnath

47/0: As the Rules cannot be scrutinised to determine the legality of
PurpleBob's win by Pooker the win should be postponed until such a time =
that the
Rules can be scrutinised, and the deadline on making RFJ's should be =
similarly
extended.
	assigned to Aranor

48/0: For the Dealer to use cards from the Deck to participate in a gard =
of
Pooker or any other Card game is clearly against the spirit of the rules =
and
against the spirit of the game and thus is illeagal
	assigned to Joel

sorry for the wait...
--=20
A.D.

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From: "Chess" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: some rfjs recognized
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:06:28 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

46/0: No point objects and no debt objects currently exist.
assigned to M'cachessilnath

Judgement: False

Analysis: This cannot be judged true until RFJ 48/0 is judged upon, because
until such a time it cannot be determined if a win has taken place. However,
a win may not have taken place, so it can be judged false. Therefore for
this point in time I am judging it false, but this does not mean there is
not a potential win in progress, it merely means that the win hasn't been
officially recognised and its consequences fully processed yet.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: voting results, nweek 26
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:10:15 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Here we go:

P465/0 passed (4-3-0-10)
P466/0 passed (7-0-0-10)
P467/2 passed (7-0-0-10)
P468/0 passed (6-0-1-10)
P469/0 passed (5-2-0-10)
P470/0 failed (3-4-0-10)
P471/1 passed (6-1-0-10)

Since P471/1 resets scores and whatnot, any points anyone would get from 
this disappear right away, so I'm not going to bother with scoring this 
time.

-- 
J.

Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 04:24:56 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: RFJ on the most recent ballot
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I request an RFJ on this statement:

"The player known as Dave, as of one second past the end of nweek 26, owns
three Rules."

Plaintiff's analysis:

Proposal 471/1 transferred ownership of all Rules to the Bank. So, this
would seem to be a nice simple "FALSE" ruling, right?

But. (You knew that one was coming, didn't you.)

I cannot find any reference in the current Rules that defines the order or
timing of how Rules come into existence.

I posit that all passed proposals take effect simultaneously; therefore,
the three Rules which I would own as a result of Proposal 469/0 passing
are in fact mine, and not included in the effects of 471.

This also means that PurpleBob owns 1 rule and Joerg owns 12 or so rules
(I lost count somewhere in the middle of wading through P467/2), all per
Rule 326/0.

Since it affects that player so heavily, under Rule 236/1 I request that
Joerg NOT be assigned this RFJ.

Have a nice day.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
http://www.technopagan.org/    [email-masked]
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I used to drive a Heisenbergmobile, but every
time I looked at the speedometer, I got lost.

Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 05:42:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: RFJ on the most recent ballot
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Joel Uckelman wrote:

> Quoth "David E. Smith":
> > I request an RFJ on this statement:
>
> See R313/0.

Hm... I don't think this meets the definition of "in conflict," per se,
but I suspect it's close enough. I withdraw my RFJ.

...dave

Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:32:25 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: Really Fix the Showdown
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

\begin{proposal}
\title{Really Fix the Showdown}
1. Change Rule 396/0 to the following:
"
Any player who has a Hand may make a Motion to Show Cards at any time as long
as no such Motion is already pending. A Motion to Show Cards is a Secondary
Approvable Motion which passes by being voted for by a majority of Players.
When a Motion to Show Cards passes, a Showdown occurs.

Additionally, if a transfer of Cards (such as by Dealing) causes one Player
to have ten or more PCards in eir Hand, e may declare a Showdown at any time,
without making a Motion to Show Cards. However, in the resulting Showdown, e
must show at least two PCards.

In the event of a Showdown, each Player who has a Hand can choose whether to
show eir cards. If e decides to show eir cards, e must post a message within
three days to a public forum, describing which PCards should be shown, and how
they should be arranged into Poker Hands. After three days have passed since
the Showdown was declared, a prize of a certain number of Points (as described
below) goes to the Player or Players with the highest total Score of Poker
Hands, and all PCards that were shown are returned to the Deck.

The Dealer may never show eir cards in a Showdown.

The Player who has the highest total Score of eir Poker Hand(s) is awarded a number of Points from the Bank equivalent to the total Score of eir Poker Hand(s). If there is a tie for the highest Score, that number of Points is given from the Bank and divided among the Player(s) involved in the tie.
"

2. In Rule 395/0, change each occurrence of "Player who has one or more PCards"
to "Player who has one or more PCards in eir Hand".

\end{proposal}
-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:45:17 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Change the win conditions
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[ A while ago I pointed out various problems with the winning conditions.
Here, I plan to fix them. ]]

\begin{proposal}
\title{Win Conditions and Proposal Rewards}

1. Change Rule 211/2 to the following:
"Whenever a Player's score reaches or exceeds 1000 points, the Administrator
shall credit em with a Win."

[[ You may notice the lack of any requirement based on owning Rules. ]]

2. Change the first paragraph of Rule 323/1 to:
"Once per nweek, the Banker may set the Point value of the Adopted Proposal
Award such that its value is no less than 15 and no greater than 30, and may
set the Point value of the Opposed Minority Award such that its value is no
less than zero and no greater than 10."

\end{proposal}
-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:12:19 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Change the win conditions
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I modify my proposal:

\begin{proposal}
\number{not numbered yet}
\title{Win Conditions and Proposal Rewards}

1. Change Rule 211/2 to the following:
"Whenever a Player's score reaches or exceeds 500 points, the Administrator
shall credit em with a Win."

2. Change the first paragraph of Rule 323/1 to:
"Once per nweek, the Banker may set the Point value of the Adopted Proposal
Award such that its value is no less than 10 and no greater than 20, and may
set the Point value of the Opposed Minority Award such that its value is no
less than zero and no greater than 10."

\end{proposal}
-- 
Rob Speer

From: Antonio <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: some rfjs recognized
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 01:21:10 +0200
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:57:35 +0200, you wrote:

>the following RFJs are recognized:
>
>46/0: No point objects and no debt objects currently exist.
>	assigned to M'cachessilnath
>
>47/0: As the Rules cannot be scrutinised to determine the legality of
>PurpleBob's win by Pooker the win should be postponed until such a time =
that the
>Rules can be scrutinised, and the deadline on making RFJ's should be =
similarly
>extended.
>	assigned to Aranor
>
>48/0: For the Dealer to use cards from the Deck to participate in a gard=
 of
>Pooker or any other Card game is clearly against the spirit of the rules=
 and
>against the spirit of the game and thus is illeagal
>	assigned to Joel
>
>sorry for the wait...

Aranor is recused from judgement on RFJ n=B047
Joel is recused from Judjement on RFJ n=B048

RFJ n=B0 47 is assigned to The Kid

RFJ n=B0 48 is assigned to Jeff Schroeder
--=20
A.D.

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From: "Harrison, Andrew" <[email-masked]>
To: 'Nomic Business' <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: spoon-business: some rfjs recognized
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:31:18 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio [mailto:[email-masked]]

> >47/0: As the Rules cannot be scrutinised to determine the legality =
of
> >PurpleBob's win by Pooker the win should be postponed until=20
> such a time that the
> >Rules can be scrutinised, and the deadline on making RFJ's=20
> should be similarly
> >extended.
> >	assigned to Aranor

> Aranor is recused from judgement on RFJ n=B047
> RFJ n=B0 47 is assigned to The Kid

I rule TRUE.
I make the following Judicial Orders: PurbleBob's win may not be =
officially
recognised until all RFJs pertaining to his actions are completed. The
deadline for making RFJs on his win is set at one nweek from this =
judgement.

--
The Kid

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Banker
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:51:18 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just wanted to remind you that I'm still nominated as the banker. I =
just never became a ballot item yet...

J=F6rg

Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:51:26 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Schroeder <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: spoon-business: some rfjs recognized
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Wait a minute, didn't The Kid make RFJ 47?
I want a RFJ on the following statement, "The judgement on RFJ 47 is=20
invalid because the selection of The Kid as Judge violated Rule 236/1."

Rule 236/1 states:
"The following are excluded from serving as Judges on a Request for=
 Judgment:

      1. the Plaintiff
      2. Judges previously recused from the Request
      3. any one Player that the Plantiff requests be recused from the=
 Request

      If these exclusions leave no Players eligible to serve as Judge,=20
exclusions may be waived from highest-numbered to lowest until at least one=
=20
Player becomes eligible."

The Kid made the Request for Judgement on May 10, 2001, and since there is=
=20
more than one Player in the game, he can never be selected as Judge.  Not=20
every eligible Player was selected, in addition, the previously recused=20
Judges must be selected again to judge before he can be considered.

jeff
At 04:31 AM 6/25/2001, you wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Antonio [mailto:[email-masked]]
>
> > >47/0: As the Rules cannot be scrutinised to determine the legality of
> > >PurpleBob's win by Pooker the win should be postponed until
> > such a time that the
> > >Rules can be scrutinised, and the deadline on making RFJ's
> > should be similarly
> > >extended.
> > >     assigned to Aranor
>
> > Aranor is recused from judgement on RFJ n=B047
> > RFJ n=B0 47 is assigned to The Kid
>
>I rule TRUE.
>I make the following Judicial Orders: PurbleBob's win may not be officially
>recognised until all RFJs pertaining to his actions are completed. The
>deadline for making RFJs on his win is set at one nweek from this=
 judgement.
>
>--
>The Kid

Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:09:30 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Schroeder <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Judgement 48
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I rule FALSE.

The rule 386/0 states "The Dealer is the player who owns all the cards in=20
the Deck and is responsible for taking the necessary actions to Deal a card=
=20
to a Player. The Dealer is an Elected Officer. The original Dealer is=20
PurpleBob."

This clearly gives control of the deck to the Dealer, who is the Player=20
PurpleBob.  This rule, along with the others created and modified by=20
related proposals was created with the intent to win the game. These=20
proposals were passed by the majority of the Players, so became=20
Rules.  This attempt to win the game is arguably one of the most clever and=
=20
clean (by way of being mostly undebatable and un-damaging to the game in=20
general) methods used.  This method to win is clearly in the spirit of the=
=20
game.

jeff

At 07:21 PM 6/24/2001, you wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:57:35 +0200, you wrote:
>
> >the following RFJs are recognized:
> >
> >46/0: No point objects and no debt objects currently exist.
> >       assigned to M'cachessilnath
> >
> >47/0: As the Rules cannot be scrutinised to determine the legality of
> >PurpleBob's win by Pooker the win should be postponed until such a time=
=20
> that the
> >Rules can be scrutinised, and the deadline on making RFJ's should be=20
> similarly
> >extended.
> >       assigned to Aranor
> >
> >48/0: For the Dealer to use cards from the Deck to participate in a gard=
 of
> >Pooker or any other Card game is clearly against the spirit of the rules=
 and
> >against the spirit of the game and thus is illeagal
> >       assigned to Joel
> >
> >sorry for the wait...
>
>Aranor is recused from judgement on RFJ n=B047
>Joel is recused from Judjement on RFJ n=B048
>
>RFJ n=B0 47 is assigned to The Kid
>
>RFJ n=B0 48 is assigned to Jeff Schroeder

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: prop recognition
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:15:24 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following Proposals are recognized:

P472/0, Really Fix the Showdown, PurpleBob
P473/0, Win Conditions and Proposal Rewards, PurpleBob
P473/1, Win Conditions and Proposal Rewards, PurpleBob

-- 
J.

From: Antonio <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: RFJ recognized
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:23:08 +0200
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:51:26 -0400, you wrote:

>Wait a minute, didn't The Kid make RFJ 47?
>I want a RFJ on the following statement, "The judgement on RFJ 47 is=20
>invalid because the selection of The Kid as Judge violated Rule 236/1."
>
>Rule 236/1 states:
>"The following are excluded from serving as Judges on a Request for =
Judgment:
>
>      1. the Plaintiff
>      2. Judges previously recused from the Request
>      3. any one Player that the Plantiff requests be recused from the =
Request
>
>      If these exclusions leave no Players eligible to serve as Judge,=20
>exclusions may be waived from highest-numbered to lowest until at least =
one=20
>Player becomes eligible."
>
>The Kid made the Request for Judgement on May 10, 2001, and since there =
is=20
>more than one Player in the game, he can never be selected as Judge.  =
Not=20
>every eligible Player was selected, in addition, the previously recused=20
>Judges must be selected again to judge before he can be considered.
>
>jeff

Officially recognized as RFJ N=B0 49 and assigned to Dave.

--=20
zagarna
--=20
A.D.

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To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 27
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:22:45 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following Proposals are up for voting:

P472/0, Really Fix the Showdown, by PurpleBob
P473/1, Win Conditions and Proposal Rewards, by PurpleBob

The following were nominated for Banker:
Joerg

The following Motions are up for voting:
M38/0, Motion to Add David Chudzicki, by David Chudzicki

-- 
J.

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 05:55:21 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: RFJ 49 Judgment
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

There may be a few little quirks in the terminology, as the nomic.net Web
server is down again. Nevertheless, here cometh the ruling...

(begin ruling)

Statement: The judgement on RFJ 47 is invalid because the selection of The
Kid as Judge violated Rule 236/1.

Plaintiff's Analysis:

>Rule 236/1 states:
>"The following are excluded from serving as Judges on a Request for Judgment:
>
>      1. the Plaintiff
>      2. Judges previously recused from the Request
>      3. any one Player that the Plantiff requests be recused from the Request
>
>The Kid made the Request for Judgement on May 10, 2001, and since there is
>more than one Player in the game, he can never be selected as Judge.  Not
>every eligible Player was selected, in addition, the previously recused
>Judges must be selected again to judge before he can be considered.

Ruling: TRUE

Judge's Analysis:

What the plaintiff said.

Judicial Orders:

I order that RFJ 47 be re-assigned to an eligible judge and that the
previous ruling be discarded. Alternately, an identical RFJ may be opened
with a new number, at the discretion of the judiciary. (The former option
makes a bit more sense, but the latter may be easier to track in the
database.)

Either way, said RFJ may not be assigned to: The Kid (as the caller for
the RFJ); any one party selected by The Kid at eir discretion (per Rule
236/1, should e choose to invoke it); Aranor (previously recused from
judgment); PurpleBob (for conflict-of-interest reasons).

(end ruling)

The tribe has spoken.

...dave

---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151
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