Subject: spoon-business: voting results...
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 00:03:21 -0500

Hopefully I'll get the voting results from nweek 18 out in the morning, and 
catch up on some other things tomorrow.

-- 
J.

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go move
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:17:55 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I take my free stone and place it at f 18.

   a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 3 . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . .
 4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . . . . .
 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
10 . D . . . . . . . . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . . . . Q . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
16 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

Here's a list of current players with their symbols and allies.

    Name                      Allies
----------------------------------------
 J  Joel                      none
 Q  PurpleBob                 C
 C  Poulenc                   Q
 S  Jeff Schroeder            none
 K  The Kid                   none
 G  Joerg                     none
 Z  Zagarna                   none
 B  Benjamin                  none
 D  Dave                      none
 M  M'cachessilnath           none

From: Antonio <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Judge selection for RFJs 37 40 41
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:28:43 +0200
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:42:25 +0200, Antonio <[email-masked]> wrote
:

>RFJ 40/0 is assigned to Blest Lax Monk Pal

Blest Lax Monk Pal is recused from judgement of RFJ#40/0

:)
--=20

zagarna

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To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: voting results, nweek 18
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:34:12 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Voting Results

P455/0 held (4-0-0-14)
P456/0 held (3-1-0-14)
P458/0 held (4-0-0-14)

Low voter turnout last nweek, possibly due to the lack of proposals, or 
because some kind souls refrained from voting in order to to give PurpleBob 
the opportunity to revise eir Pooker Proposal. :)

-- 
J.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: motion passage
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:42:29 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following Motions have all received UC by now:

M26/0
M29/0
M31/0
M32/0
M33/0

As a result of M26, sabby is no longer a Player.

-- 
J.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Go move
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:12:51 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I place my free stone for the nweek at b5.

   a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 3 . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . .
 4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
 5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . . . . .
 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
10 . D . . . . . . . . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . . . . Q . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
16 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

Here's a list of current players with their symbols and allies.

    Name                      Allies
----------------------------------------
 J  Joel                      none
 Q  PurpleBob                 C
 C  Poulenc                   Q
 S  Jeff Schroeder            none
 K  The Kid                   none
 G  Joerg                     none
 Z  Zagarna                   none
 B  Benjamin                  none
 D  Dave                      none
 M  M'cachessilnath           none

-- 
J.

Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:50:25 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I take my free stone for this nweek and place it at g14.
I also change my letter to P to make things a bit nicer.

   a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 3 . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . .
 4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
 5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . . . . .
 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
10 . D . . . . . . . . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
16 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

Here's a list of current players with their symbols and allies.

    Name                      Allies
----------------------------------------
 J  Joel                      none
 P  PurpleBob                 C
 C  Poulenc                   P
 S  Jeff Schroeder            none
 K  The Kid                   none
 G  Joerg                     none
 Z  Zagarna                   none
 B  Benjamin                  none
 D  Dave                      none
 M  M'cachessilnath           none
 
-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:24:51 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Schroeder <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I take my free stone for this nweek and place it at p15.

    a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
  1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  3 . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . .
  4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
  5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . . . . .
  7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
10 . D . . . . . . . . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
16 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

Here's a list of current players with their symbols and allies.

     Name                      Allies
----------------------------------------
  J  Joel                      none
  P  PurpleBob                 C
  C  Poulenc                   P
  S  Jeff Schroeder            none
  K  The Kid                   none
  G  Joerg                     none
  Z  Zagarna                   none
  B  Benjamin                  none
  D  Dave                      none
  M  M'cachessilnath           none

Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:59:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I take my free stone for this nweek and put it into play at p6
     a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
  1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  3 . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . .
  4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
  5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . . C . .
  7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 10 . D . . . . . . . . K . . . B . . . .
 11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
 15 . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
 16 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
 18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z
 
> Here's a list of current players with their symbols and allies.
> 
>      Name                      Allies
> ----------------------------------------
>   J  Joel                      none
>   P  PurpleBob                 C
>   C  Poulenc                   P
>   S  Jeff Schroeder            none
>   K  The Kid                   none
>   G  Joerg                     none
>   Z  Zagarna                   none
>   B  Benjamin                  none
>   D  Dave                      none
>   M  M'cachessilnath           none

From: "Harrison, Andrew" <[email-masked]>
To: 'Nomic Business' <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go move
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:09:28 +0100 
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I take my free stone and place it at i8

--
The Kid

    a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
  1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  3 . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . .
  4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
  5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
  7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . . . . .
  9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 10 . D . . . . . . . . K . . . B . . . .
 11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
 15 . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
 16 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
 18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

 Here's a list of current players with their symbols and allies.

      Name                      Allies
 ----------------------------------------
   J  Joel                      none
   P  PurpleBob                 C
   C  Poulenc                   P
   S  Jeff Schroeder            none
   K  The Kid                   none
   G  Joerg                     none
   Z  Zagarna                   none
   B  Benjamin                  none
   D  Dave                      none
   M  M'cachessilnath           none

Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:04:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Benjamin Bradley <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I claim my free stone and play it at o12

and I propose and alliance with/to Jeff Schroder.

>     a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
>   1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>   2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>   3 . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . .
>   4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
>   5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>   6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
>   7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>   8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . . . . .
>   9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  10 . D . . . . . . . . K . . . B . . . .
>  11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
>  13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  15 . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
>  16 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
>  18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z
>
>  Here's a list of current players with their symbols and allies.
>
>       Name                      Allies
>  ----------------------------------------
>    J  Joel                      none
>    P  PurpleBob                 C
>    C  Poulenc                   P
>    S  Jeff Schroeder            none
>    K  The Kid                   none
>    G  Joerg                     none
>    Z  Zagarna                   none
>    B  Benjamin                  none
>    D  Dave                      none
>    M  M'cachessilnath           none

- Benjamin Bradley - "peaks and valleys"
- http://lostpoet.tripod.com/
- whee life what a rush

Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:08:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: Benjamin Bradley <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>
> and I propose and alliance with/to Jeff Schroder.

of course that should say "an alliance"

- Benjamin Bradley - "peaks and valleys"
- http://lostpoet.tripod.com/
- whee life what a rush

From: "Harrison, Andrew" <[email-masked]>
To: 'Nomic Business' <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: spoon-business: Go move
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:10:48 +0100 
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I propose an alliance with anyone who can honestly say that they don't
really know how to play Political Go.

--
The Kid

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benjamin Bradley [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: 03 April 2001 16:08
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go move
> 
> 
> >
> > and I propose and alliance with/to Jeff Schroder.
> 
> of course that should say "an alliance"
> 
> 
> 
> - Benjamin Bradley - "peaks and valleys"
> - http://lostpoet.tripod.com/
> - whee life what a rush
> 

Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:53:55 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Dealer's report, nweek 18
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm a bit late with this, but here's the Dealer's Report for last nweek.

First of all, the dice roller thingy was somewhat broken, causing most of the
cards to fall within the Blue and Fish decks. Oh well.

A Card from the Red Deck was dealt to Poulenc,
Cards from the Blue Deck were dealt to Dave, Joel, and The Kid.
Cards from the Fish Deck were dealt to Benjamin, Blest Lax Monk Pal, Jeff
Schroeder, Joerg, jonno, relet, and Zagarna.
A Card from the Corporate Deck was dealt to PurpleBob, and thus was placed back
into the Deck.
-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:25:41 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Revised Pooker
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[ I'm revising my Pooker proposal now.
The changes I'm making are:

* Add a rule to define which cards are used by which game (if any)
* Make a showdown not required when someone has 10 cards
* Make it not required to participate in a Showdown
* Allow players to choose which cards to show, and keep the other cards
* Allow players to choose how to distribute the cards they show between Pooker
  Hands ]]

\begin{proposal}
\title{Pooker}
\number{456}
1. Create a rule entitled "Pooker: Definitions" with the following text:

Pooker is a game played with Nomic Cards. The object of the game is to exchange
Cards with other Players so that you have the best Poker Hand or combination of
Poker Hands.

A Pooker Card is a Card that is in a Pack which is defined to be used in the
game of Pooker. It can be abbreviated to 'PCard'.

A Trade is the process by which two Players exchange a specified number of
PCards. In a Trade, the dealer takes the Cards which one Player wishes to trade
to the other Player and changes their ownership to the other Player, thus
adding them to the other Player's hand. E then takes an equal number of PCards
which the other Player wishes to trade and changes their ownership to the first
Player in the same way. Both Players involved in a trade must trade an equal
number of PCards.

2. Create a rule entitled "Pooker: Trading" with the following text:

Any Player who has one or more PCards may arrange a Trade with any other Player
who has one or more PCards. They do this by making offers and counter-offers
with each other privately, and then each notifying the Dealer of the Trade they wish
to make - both which PCard or PCards e will give, and which PCard or PCards e plans
to recieve.

The Dealer must be notified of the same trade by both Players involved
in the trade. The Players also must each pay the Dealer a transaction fee of
one Point [[you'll notice that there's no other way for the Dealer to get
Points from this game]].

3. Create a rule entitled "Pooker: the Showdown" with the following
text:

A Player may make a Motion to Show Cards at any time as long as no such Motion
is already pending. A Motion to Show Cards is a Secondary Approvable Motion
which passes by being voted for by a majority of Players. When a Motion to Show
Cards passes, a Showdown occurs.

Additionally, if a transfer of Cards (such as by Dealing) causes one Player to
own ten or more PCards, e may declare a Showdown at any time, without making a
Motion to Show Cards. However, in the resulting Showdown, e must show at least
two PCards.

In the event of a Showdown, each Player can choose whether to show eir cards.
If e decides to show eir cards, e must post a message to a public forum
describing which PCards should be shown, and how they should be arranged into
Poker Hands. A prize of a certain number of Points goes to the Player or
Players with the highest total Score of Poker Hands, and all PCards that were
shown are returned to the Deck.

The Player who has the highest total Score of eir Poker Hand(s) is awarded a
number of Points from the Bank equivalent to the total Score of eir Poker
Hand(s). If there is a tie for the highest Score, that number of Points is
given from the Bank and divided among the Player(s) involved in the tie.

4. Create a rule entitled "Pooker: Scoring" with the following text:

A Poker Hand is a set of one to five PCards owned by the same Player. A Player
may arrange eir PCards into more than one Poker Hand if it would result in a
higher Score or if e owns more than five PCards.

Poker Hands are scored as follows (statements at the top take precedence):

If a Poker Hand contains five PCards of the same Rank, it is a Five of a Kind,
and has a Score of 80.

If a Poker Hand contains five PCards with the Ranks Ace, King, Queen, Jack, and
10, and those PCards are all of the same Suit, it is a Royal Flush, and has a
Score of 80.

If a Poker Hand contains five PCards with consecutive Ranks which are all of the
same Suit, it is a Straight Flush, and has a Score of 70.

If a Poker Hand contains four PCards of the same Rank, it is a Four of a Kind,
and has a Score of 60.

If a Poker Hand contains three PCards of one Rank and two PCards of another, it
is a Full House, and has a Score of 50.

If a Poker Hand contains five PCards of the same Suit, it is a Flush, and has a
Score of 40.

If a Poker Hand contains five PCards with consecutive Ranks [[such as
7-8-9-10-Jack]], it is a Straight, and has a Score of 35.

If a Poker Hand contains three PCards of the same Rank, it is a Three of a Kind,
and has a Score of 25.

If a Poker Hand contains two PCards of one Rank and two PCards of another Rank,
it is Two Pair, and has a Score of 15.

If a Poker Hand contains two PCards of the same Rank, it is a Pair, and has a
Score of 5.

If a Poker Hand contains none of the above, its Score is 0.

5. In the event that the proposal entitled 'Separation of Card Packs' does not
pass, 'Pooker Card' and 'PCard' shall be redefined to refer to any Card.

\end{proposal}

--
Rob Speer

Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:38:53 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: Separation of Card Packs
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

\begin{proposal}
\title{Separation of Card Packs}

Create a rule entitled "Separation of Card Packs" with the following text:

Each Pack of Cards can be defined to be part of a certain Card Game. A Card
Game is a set of Rules that define how that Game should be played within the
Nomic.

The Red and Blue Decks are defined to be part of the Card Game entitled
"Pooker".

\end{proposal}
-- 
Rob Speer

From: "Chess" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Nomic Business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go move
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:44:41 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I propose an alliance with anyone who can honestly say that they don't
> really know how to play Political Go.

I accept the alliance... alliances are your friends!

Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:15:35 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Schroeder <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I accept your alliance!  Down with the infidels!

At 11:08 AM 4/3/01, you wrote:
> >
> > and I propose and alliance with/to Jeff Schroder.
>
>of course that should say "an alliance"
>
>
>
>- Benjamin Bradley - "peaks and valleys"
>- http://lostpoet.tripod.com/
>- whee life what a rush

Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:59:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I pay 4 points for a second stone this nweek which I put into play at p8.

I don't think anyone here actually knows how to play political go.  But
that's not going to keep me from it.  I propose an alliance with the Kid,
and I also propose an alliance with Dave, and another with
M'cachessilnath.

Poulenc (updated board to follow...)

 >     a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
 >   1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 >   2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 >   3 . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . .
 >   4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
 >   5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 >   6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
 >   7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 >   8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
 >   9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 >  10 . D . . . . . . . . K . . . B . . . .
 >  11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 >  12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
 >  13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 >  14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
 >  15 . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
 >  16 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 >  17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
 >  18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 >  19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z
 >
 >  Here's a list of current players with their symbols and allies.
> >
> >       Name                      Allies
> >  ----------------------------------------
> >    J  Joel                      none
> >    P  PurpleBob                 C
> >    C  Poulenc                   P
> >    S  Jeff Schroeder            B
> >    K  The Kid                   none
> >    G  Joerg                     none
> >    Z  Zagarna                   none
> >    B  Benjamin                  S
> >    D  Dave                      none
> >    M  M'cachessilnath           none

Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:06:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: Point Protection
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[This is an idea that I have been working towards for some time now.  I
think we are finally there.  Is there anything in the rules that still
conflicts with this?]]

\start{proposal}
\title{point protection}

Enact a new rule entitled "Ownership of points is protected", with text as
follows:

In no case may ownership of a point be transfered without the consent of
its owner.

[[Note that this does not take away our ability to impose sanctions for
the failure to transfer points]]

\end{proposal}

Poulenc

From: "Harrison, Andrew" <[email-masked]>
To: 'Nomic Business' <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: spoon-business: Go move
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:12:59 +0100 
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan [mailto:[email-masked]]

> I don't think anyone here actually knows how to play 
> political go.  But
> that's not going to keep me from it.  I propose an alliance 
> with the Kid,

Accepted.

--
The Kid

From: "Chess" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Nomic Business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go move
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:13:11 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I don't think anyone here actually knows how to play political go.  But
> that's not going to keep me from it.  I propose an alliance with the Kid,
> and I also propose an alliance with Dave, and another with
> M'cachessilnath.

I accept the alliance.

From: =?us-ascii?Q?Jorg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: spoon-business: Go move
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:23:39 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I pay 4 points for a second stone this nweek which I put into play at =
p8.
>=20
> I don't think anyone here actually knows how to play political go.  =
But
> that's not going to keep me from it.  I propose an alliance with the =
Kid,
> and I also propose an alliance with Dave, and another with
> M'cachessilnath.

Sorry, you're not allowed to make more than one move per day.

So if you want to propose three alliances, that takes three days. Or, =
you have to ask the others to make an offer an than you can accept the =
offer (accepting an alliance does not seem to be a move, according to =
the rules).

I make the following RFJ:

--
Statement: Poulenc has not offered any Go alliances to The Kid, Dave, or =
M'cachessilnath.

Analysis: A Go player can make no more than one move per day (R365/0), =
and placing a stone is a move. Thus, Poulenc had already made a move =
when he attemped to make three other moves by offering an alliance to =
said players.
--

Joerg

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go alliance improvement
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:18:15 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

It just occured to me that we don't have a possibility to withdraw an =
alliance offer. I can still accept an offer weeks after it was offered.

I make the following proposal, which allows offers to be withdrawn and =
generally makes rule 365 a bit more clear:

\begin{proposal}
\title{Go alliance improvement}

Amend rule 365 (Political Go) by removing "Each Go player may make no =
more than one Go move per Game day, and may never place two Stones =
consecutively." from that rule. [[This will be added to the Go Moves =
rule instead.]]

Amend rule 368 (Go Moves) by changing its text to:

"For each move, a Go player must do one of the following:

1. Place a stone.

The Go player may place a stone on any unoccupied vertex, with the =
following exceptions:

a. Stones may not be placed so as to repeat a previous Board =
configuration.
b. Stones may not be placed on vertices on which the placement of a =
Stone would cause the formation of a friendly Dragon with no liberties, =
unless it would also cause the formation of an enemy Dragon with no =
liberties.
c. A Go player may never place two stones consecutively.

2. Offer an alliance to an enemy.

The offer must name the Go player to whom the offer is made. The offer =
becomes void if the Go player to whom it was offered makes any other =
move before accepting the offer, or if the Go player who made the offer =
withdraws it.

3. Declare war on an ally.

If a Go player declares war on an ally, the two Go players cease to be =
allies, and eir former ally's Stones are no longer friendly.

4. Accept an alliance.

By accepting an alliance offered by another Go player, the two Go =
players become allied.

5. Withdraw an offer of an alliance.

If a Go player withdraws an offer e previously made, the player to whom =
e made the offer can no longer accept it. An offer cannot be withdrawn =
after it was accepted.

Each Go player may make no more than one Go move per Game day, with the =
exception of accepting an alliance or withdrawing an offer, which can be =
done an unlimited number of times."

\end{proposal}

However, I think that accepting an alliance should be move that counts =
(i.e. you can't do anything else that day). So I also make the following =
proposal:

\begin{proposal}
\title{Accepting an alliance is a normal (counted) Go move}

Provided that the Go alliance improvement proposal passed, amed rule 368 =
(Go Moves) by removing "accepting an alliance or " from the last =
sentence.

\end{proposal}

Joerg

From: Antonio <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: RFJ 44
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:51:06 +0200
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>Statement: Poulenc has not offered any Go alliances to The Kid, Dave, or=
 M'cachessilnath.
>
>Analysis: A Go player can make no more than one move per day (R365/0), =
and placing a stone is a move. Thus, Poulenc had already made a move when=
 he attemped to make three other moves by offering an alliance to said =
players.

obviously this belongs to the business list...

Recognized as RFJ 44 and assigned to player Benjamin.

--=20

zagarna

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:30:00 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Oh hell, I'm late (Similarity Challenge #5)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Once again, there was only one answer to the Similarity Challenge, though this
time there was sort of a reason, being that Benjamin accidentally posted his
answer to the list.

Here it is again:
> The similarity is the surname Morgan.
> J.P. Morgan is an investment company.
> Captain Morgan is Rum.
> Nwabudike Morgan is a character in Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri.

Benjamin's entry fee is refunded, and my term as Contestmaster is up.

Thus, I make a Secondary Unilateral Motion naming Benjamin as the
new Contestmaster.

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:15:19 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Mediocrity fix fix
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

\begin{proposal}
\title{Mediocrity fix fix}
Amend Rule 343 to change the word "concertmaster" to "ContestMaster".
\end{proposal}

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:49:40 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: One more proposal: Thug Time Limit
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

\begin{proposal}
\title{Thug Time Limit}

Create a rule entitled "Thug Time Limit" with the following text:

If the Thug is not used within three nweeks of being assigned to a new
employer, the Thug will be reassigned as if it had no employer.
\end{proposal}

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:40:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Benjamin Bradley <[email-masked]>
To: Antonio <[email-masked]>
cc: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: RFJ 44
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Antonio wrote:
>
> >Statement: Poulenc has not offered any Go alliances to The Kid, Dave, or M'cachessilnath.
> >
> >Analysis: A Go player can make no more than one move per day (R365/0), and placing a stone is a move. Thus, Poulenc had already made a move when he attemped to make three other moves by offering an alliance to said players.
>
> obviously this belongs to the business list...
>
> Recognized as RFJ 44 and assigned to player Benjamin.

I rule TRUE

I don't really think this needs much explanation, but just to reiterate:
playing a stone and offering an alliance are distinct moves.
Players can only make one move per day.

relevant rules:

Rule 368/0 : Go Moves
For each move, a Go player must do one of the following:
1. Place a Stone. 2. Offer an alliance to an enemy. 3. Declare war on an
ally.
...

Rule 365/0 : Political Go
There exists a Contest called Political Go. The Go Consul is the
Contestmaster. The first Go Consul is Joel.
The Go Board is empty at the start of Political Go. Players become Go
players by making a Go move. Go players are unallied by default. Each Go
player may make no more than one Go move per Game day, and may never place
two Stones consecutively.

- Benjamin Bradley - "peaks and valleys"
- http://lostpoet.tripod.com/
- whee life what a rush

Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:43:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Benjamin Bradley <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

since technically, I proposed my alliance to jeff on the same day as I
played a stone, I hereby re-issue an alliance proposal to jeff schroder.

- Benjamin Bradley - "peaks and valleys"
- http://lostpoet.tripod.com/
- whee life what a rush

From: "Harrison, Andrew" <[email-masked]>
To: 'Nomic Business' <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Go move
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:06:06 +0100 
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David E. Smith [mailto:[email-masked]]
> 
> Modulo whether or not such is legal, I accept, and propose an alliance
> with The Kid. (If it turns out that the initial batch of 

I accept.

--
The Kid

From: "Harrison, Andrew" <[email-masked]>
To: 'Nomic Business' <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: RFJ
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:30:15 +0100 
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sorry about this Poulenc, but cos of RFJ#44 I think this should be done too.

I propose the following RFJ:

Statement:
Poulenc's placing of a stone on K5 on 30th March is invalid as he had
already made a move on that day. The stone should be removed and Poulenc
refunded his 4 points.
The alliance that Benjamin offered to Jeff on 3rd April is invalid as he had
already made a move on that day. The alliance should be canceled. (The
re-offer of the alliance earlier today still stands.)
The alliance that The Kid offered to various people on 3rd April is invalid
as he had already made a move on that day. The alliance with Chess should be
canceled

Analysis:
This is to bring the game into alignment with RFJ#44.

Note to Judge:
You'll need to make a judicial order to remove the stone and cancel the
alliences. However be careful that you don't cancel any alliance that is
made between now and your verdict. I don't know what can happen with K5 in
the mean time. I don't think anyone can place a stone there till your
verdict as technically Poulencs stone is still there.

--
The Kid

Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 06:52:27 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Schroeder <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ok, I re-accept the alliance.

At 02:43 AM 4/6/01, you wrote:
>since technically, I proposed my alliance to jeff on the same day as I
>played a stone, I hereby re-issue an alliance proposal to jeff schroder.
>
>- Benjamin Bradley - "peaks and valleys"
>- http://lostpoet.tripod.com/
>- whee life what a rush

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: prop recognition, catching up
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:50:34 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following Proposals are recognized:

P456/1, Pooker: Definitions, by PurpleBob
P459/0, Separation of Card Packs, by PurpleBob
P460/0, point protection, by Poulenc
P461/0, Go alliance improvement, by Joerg
P462/0, Accepting an alliance is a normal (counted) Go move, by Joerg
P463/0, Mediocrity fix fix, by PurpleBob
P464/0, Thug Time Limit, by PurpleBob

Also, I just noticed that I didn't count Jeff's votes from last nweek. They 
don't change the result---still short of quorum---but they're included in 
the voting results now.

-- 
J.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Go move
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:20:15 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I buy a stone and place it at h3.

   a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 3 . . . . . . . J . . C . . . . . . . .
 4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .      
 5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
10 . D . . . . . . . . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . 
13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
16 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . . 
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

I'm not including the allies list this time because I'm not sure what is 
looks like right now.

-- 
J.

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go Move timimg problems
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:07:57 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just discovered a problem with the one-move-per-day limitation for Go =
Moves. The Kid's RFJ states that Poulenc could not place a stone at K5 =
because that was his second move on 30 March. That's correct, but still, =
look at the messages' date headers:

Move 1 (o4) has a date field of 29 Mar, 20:11 -0500
Move 2 (k5) has a date field of 30 Mar, 00:37 -0500

So Poulenc made the second move the second day, in his local time zone. =
But since game time is UTC, the messages were sent 01:11 and 05:37, the =
same day.

This doesn't make sense. I don't want to worry about time zones whenever =
I make a go move.

I revise my proposal P461 as follows:

\begin{proposal}
\title{Go moves improvement}
[[Don't know, can I change the title here? The current title is Go =
alliances improvement, but it doesn't really describe the proposal any =
longer.]]
\number{461}

In P461/0, replace "Each Go player may make no more than one Go move per =
Game day" with "Each Go player may make no more than one Go move within =
19 hours"

and add the following pararaph at the end of the proposed rule text:

"[[One move per 19 hours instead of 24 hours because then you can start =
playing up to 5 hours before the time at which you played the day =
before, e.g. if you played at 00:00 yesterday, you don't have to wait =
till 00:00 before you may play again, you may start at 19:00 already.]]"

\end{proposal}

Joerg

Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 18:51:04 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Schroeder <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Your map does not include my second move at p15.  I put it back.  I also 
purchase one stone and place it at m16.

    a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
  1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  3 . . . . . . . J . . C . . . . . . . .
  4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
  5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
  7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
  9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
10 . D . . . . . . . . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
16 . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z
At 04:20 PM 4/6/01, you wrote:
>I buy a stone and place it at h3.
>
>    a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
>  1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  3 . . . . . . . J . . C . . . . . . . .
>  4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
>  5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
>  7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
>  9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>10 . D . . . . . . . . K . . . B . . . .
>11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
>13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
>15 . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>16 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
>18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z
>
>I'm not including the allies list this time because I'm not sure what is
>looks like right now.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: prop recognition
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:07:23 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following Proposal is recognized:

P465/0, Go moves improvement, Joerg

-- 
J.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: prop recognition 
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:09:08 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Quoth Joel Uckelman:
> The following Proposal is recognized:
> 
> P465/0, Go moves improvement, Joerg
> 
> 
> -- 
> J.
> 

Scratch that. It should be P461/1.
-- 
J.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 19
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:15:58 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following Proposals are up for voting:

P455/0, Statute of Limitation, by Joerg
P456/1, Pooker, by PurpleBob
P458/0, The Dunce Cap, by Benjamin
P459/0, Separation of Card Packs, by PurpleBob
P460/0, point protection, by Poulenc
P461/1, Go moves improvement, by Joerg
P462/0, Accepting an alliance is a normal (counted) Go move, by Joerg
P463/0, Mediocrity fix fix, by PurpleBob
P464/0, Thug Time Limit, by PurpleBob

-- 
J.

Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:36:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go re-move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

no, don't remove me.

I offer an alliance to The Kid.

I'd like to see the 1/day provision entirely removed.  It doesn't do much,
since there is a limit on the number of stones playable/week anyway and I
don't see a reason why we shouldn't be able to declare more than one
alliance per day.

Poulenc

Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 04:11:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: strike the "one-a-day" Go clause, and then some!
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

\begin{proposal}
\title{More Go Moves, And A Bonus}

1. Strike the phrase "Each Go player may make no more than one Go move per
Game day, and may never place two Stones consecutively." from the second
paragraph of Rule 365/0, and insert the phrase "No Go player may place two
Stones consecutively." in its place.

[ This permits players to make multiple alliance proposals simultaneously,
but keeps the Stones limitation intact. ]

2. Create a new Rule entitled "Political Go: Winners" whose text reads as
follows: "The Winner of a Political Go Contest shall be awarded 10 points
from the Bank. The Winner may choose to share these points with eir
allies, at eir discretion, by publicly stating eir intention to do so."

[ A token prize, and a token gesture to fair play. ]

\end{proposal}

...dave

Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 04:13:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: uh, ignore that.
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I hereby retract the unrecognized proposal I just sent, because Proposal
461/1 covers the same ground (more or less).

oops.

...dave

Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 19:47:17 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Dealer's Report, nweek 19
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A Red card was dealt to Joerg.
A Blue card was dealt to Benjamin.
A Fish card was dealt to Dave.
Corporate cards were dealt to Jeff Schroeder and The Kid.
-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:30:13 +0100
From: andy_harrison <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go re-move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I accept the alliance

--
The Kid

Dan wrote:
> 
> no, don't remove me.
> 
> I offer an alliance to The Kid.
> 
> I'd like to see the 1/day provision entirely removed.  It doesn't do much,
> since there is a limit on the number of stones playable/week anyway and I
> don't see a reason why we shouldn't be able to declare more than one
> alliance per day.
> 
> Poulenc

From: Antonio <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: RFJ
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 23:00:56 +0200
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:30:15 +0100 , "Harrison, Andrew"
<[email-masked]> wrote :

>Sorry about this Poulenc, but cos of RFJ#44 I think this should be done =
too.
>
>I propose the following RFJ:
>
>Statement:
>Poulenc's placing of a stone on K5 on 30th March is invalid as he had
>already made a move on that day. The stone should be removed and Poulenc
>refunded his 4 points.
>The alliance that Benjamin offered to Jeff on 3rd April is invalid as he=
 had
>already made a move on that day. The alliance should be canceled. (The
>re-offer of the alliance earlier today still stands.)
>The alliance that The Kid offered to various people on 3rd April is =
invalid
>as he had already made a move on that day. The alliance with Chess =
should be
>canceled
>
>Analysis:
>This is to bring the game into alignment with RFJ#44.
>
>Note to Judge:
>You'll need to make a judicial order to remove the stone and cancel the
>alliences. However be careful that you don't cancel any alliance that is
>made between now and your verdict. I don't know what can happen with K5 =
in
>the mean time. I don't think anyone can place a stone there till your
>verdict as technically Poulencs stone is still there.

Recognized as RFJ number 45 and assigned to player Joerg=20
--=20

zagarna

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Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 23:38:13 -0400
From: Kevin Ballard <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Motion to Add
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I make a Motion to Add myself as Aranor.

--
Kevin Ballard
[email-masked]
http://kevin.sb.org/

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 01:40:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Benjamin Bradley <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: similarity challenge
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

well by my calculations, rob's motion should have passed so that I'm the
new contestmaster for the similarity game.

here is the new similarity challenge.
I'll remind people to respond via a private message, and not to the list.
this one is a bit more abstract - you can't find the answer on google,
you'll have to think a bit.

storytelling
cave paintings
(magnetic) tape

- Benjamin Bradley - "peaks and valleys"
- http://lostpoet.tripod.com/
- whee life what a rush

From: "Harrison, Andrew" <[email-masked]>
To: 'Nomic Business' <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: RE: spoon-discuss: RFJ 45 judgement and updated Go board
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:56:42 +0100 
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Firstly, you might want to send that judgement to the business list.
Secondly, I offer a Go alliance to Chess.

--
The Kid

> -----Original Message-----
> From: J=F6rg Rathlev [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: 09 April 2001 16:58
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: spoon-discuss: RFJ 45 judgement and updated Go board
>=20
>=20
> > Statement:
> > Poulenc's placing of a stone on K5 on 30th March is invalid=20
> as he had
> > already made a move on that day. The stone should be=20
> removed and Poulenc
> > refunded his 4 points.
> > The alliance that Benjamin offered to Jeff on 3rd April is=20
> > invalid as he had
> > already made a move on that day. The alliance should be=20
> canceled. (The
> > re-offer of the alliance earlier today still stands.)
> > The alliance that The Kid offered to various people on 3rd April=20
> > is invalid
> > as he had already made a move on that day. The alliance with=20
> > Chess should be
> > canceled
> >=20
> > Analysis:
> > This is to bring the game into alignment with RFJ#44.
>=20
> Judgement:
>=20
> TRUE
>=20
> Analysis:
>=20
> Poulenc made a move by placing a stone on o4 at 30 Mar 2001=20
> 01:11:59 UTC and a second move by placing a stone on k3 (the=20
> message says k5, but the board shows the stone placed at k3,=20
> and since Poulenc never found something wrong about the=20
> actual placement, I think it should take precendence) on 30=20
> Mar 05:37:39 UTC. Thus, he made two moves the same day, which=20
> is not allowed.
>=20
> Benjamin has made two moves in the same message. It was not=20
> possible for him to make a second move, so he could not offer=20
> an alliance to Jeff Schroeder.
>=20
> Concerning The Kid, he actually never made a valid offer for=20
> an alliance, since if he wants to offer an alliance, "e must=20
> name an enemy Go player to whom e is making the offer"=20
> (R368/0), which he did not do. But anyway, he already moved=20
> that day, so even if his offer were valid, he couldn't have made it.
>=20
>=20
> Judicial Orders:
>=20
> I order that Poulenc's stone is removed from k3 and that the=20
> Bank tranfers 4 points back to Poulenc.
>=20
> I order that the alliance between The Kid and M'cachessilnath=20
> is cancelled.
>=20
> Note: I do NOT make any orders concerning the alliance=20
> between Benjamin and Jeff Schroeder, since they became allied=20
> in a valid way in the meantime and the fact that they were=20
> not allied from April 3 to April 6 does not affect the game=20
> state in any way.
>=20
>=20
> ---
>=20
> Note (not part of my Judgement): The game state now *should*=20
> be the following, with Poulenc's stone removed and including=20
> an updated alliance list:
>=20
>    a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
>  1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  3 . . . . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . .
>  4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
>  5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
>  7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
>  9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> 10 . D . . . . . . . . K . . . B . . . .
> 11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> 12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
> 13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> 14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
> 15 . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
> 16 . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . . . . .
> 17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
> 18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> 19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z
>=20
>=20
>      Name                      Allies
> ----------------------------------------
>   J  Joel                      none
>   P  PurpleBob                 C
>   C  Poulenc                   P,K
>   S  Jeff Schroeder            B
>   K  The Kid                   C
>   G  Joerg                     none
>   Z  Zagarna                   none
>   B  Benjamin                  S
>   D  Dave                      none
>   M  M'cachessilnath           none
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Joerg
>=20

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: FW: spoon-discuss: RFJ 45 judgement and updated Go board
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:00:52 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Ahhrgh, someone should develop an official-stuff-recognizer to remind me =
of sending such things to the business list! Sorry.

---

> Statement:
> Poulenc's placing of a stone on K5 on 30th March is invalid as he had
> already made a move on that day. The stone should be removed and =
Poulenc
> refunded his 4 points.
> The alliance that Benjamin offered to Jeff on 3rd April is=20
> invalid as he had
> already made a move on that day. The alliance should be canceled. (The
> re-offer of the alliance earlier today still stands.)
> The alliance that The Kid offered to various people on 3rd April=20
> is invalid
> as he had already made a move on that day. The alliance with=20
> Chess should be
> canceled
>=20
> Analysis:
> This is to bring the game into alignment with RFJ#44.

Judgement:

TRUE

Analysis:

Poulenc made a move by placing a stone on o4 at 30 Mar 2001 01:11:59 UTC =
and a second move by placing a stone on k3 (the message says k5, but the =
board shows the stone placed at k3, and since Poulenc never found =
something wrong about the actual placement, I think it should take =
precendence) on 30 Mar 05:37:39 UTC. Thus, he made two moves the same =
day, which is not allowed.

Benjamin has made two moves in the same message. It was not possible for =
him to make a second move, so he could not offer an alliance to Jeff =
Schroeder.

Concerning The Kid, he actually never made a valid offer for an =
alliance, since if he wants to offer an alliance, "e must name an enemy =
Go player to whom e is making the offer" (R368/0), which he did not do. =
But anyway, he already moved that day, so even if his offer were valid, =
he couldn't have made it.

Judicial Orders:

I order that Poulenc's stone is removed from k3 and that the Bank =
tranfers 4 points back to Poulenc.

I order that the alliance between The Kid and M'cachessilnath is =
cancelled.

Note: I do NOT make any orders concerning the alliance between Benjamin =
and Jeff Schroeder, since they became allied in a valid way in the =
meantime and the fact that they were not allied from April 3 to April 6 =
does not affect the game state in any way.

---

Note (not part of my Judgement): The game state now *should* be the =
following, with Poulenc's stone removed and including an updated =
alliance list:

   a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 3 . . . . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . .
 4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
 5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
10 . D . . . . . . . . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
16 . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

     Name                      Allies
----------------------------------------
  J  Joel                      none
  P  PurpleBob                 C
  C  Poulenc                   P,K
  S  Jeff Schroeder            B
  K  The Kid                   C
  G  Joerg                     none
  Z  Zagarna                   none
  B  Benjamin                  S
  D  Dave                      none
  M  M'cachessilnath           none

Joerg

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:34:18 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Alliance
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I don't understand how I can be allied with Poulenc and Poulenc is allied with
The Kid, yet I am not allied with The Kid. What would happen if the three of us
were to put our stones into a Dragon?

Anyway, I propose an alliance with The Kid.
-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:35:17 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go move (sorta)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I had previously proposed an alliance with The Kid, which was accepted.
That has been added to the allies chart below (it hadn't been listed
previously).

I propose an alliance with Poulenc as my move for the day.

Below is my best guess at the current game state.

   a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 3 . . . . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . .
 4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
 5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
10 . D . . . . . . . . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
16 . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

     Name                      Allies
----------------------------------------
  J  Joel                      none
  P  PurpleBob                 C
  C  Poulenc                   P,K
  S  Jeff Schroeder            B
  K  The Kid                   C
  G  Joerg                     none
  Z  Zagarna                   none
  B  Benjamin                  S
  D  Dave                      K
  M  M'cachessilnath           none

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:41:17 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal: Go Bookkeeping
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

\begin{proposal}
\title{Go Bookkeeping}

Create a rule entitled "Go: Bookkeeper" with the following text:

The Go Bookkeeper is the Player who is responsible for maintaining the
current state of the Go game board, and the list of allied players. The Go
Bookkeeper is an Elected Officer. The initial Go Bookkeeper is Dave.

The Go Bookkeeper is permitted to participate in Go contests.

[[ Just in case there was any doubt... ]]

\end{proposal}

Hopefully this will end the bulk of the confusion.

...dave

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:37:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go move (sorta)
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, David E. Smith wrote:

> I had previously proposed an alliance with The Kid, which was accepted.
> That has been added to the allies chart below (it hadn't been listed
> previously).
> 
> I propose an alliance with Poulenc as my move for the day.

I accept the alliance

poulenc

From: "Harrison, Andrew" <[email-masked]>
To: 'Nomic Business' <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: spoon-business: Alliance
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:20:50 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I accept the alliance

--
The Kid

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Speer [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: 09 April 2001 20:34
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: spoon-business: Alliance
> 
> 
> I don't understand how I can be allied with Poulenc and 
> Poulenc is allied with
> The Kid, yet I am not allied with The Kid. What would happen 
> if the three of us
> were to put our stones into a Dragon?
> 
> Anyway, I propose an alliance with The Kid.
> -- 
> Rob Speer
> 

From: "Harrison, Andrew" <[email-masked]>
To: 'Nomic Business' <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go move
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:23:27 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I take my free stone for this nweek and place it at i10

> >    a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
> >  1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> >  2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> >  3 . . . . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . .
> >  4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
> >  5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> >  6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
> >  7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> >  8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
> >  9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> > 10 . D . . . . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
> > 11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> > 12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
> > 13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> > 14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
> > 15 . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
> > 16 . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . . . . .
> > 17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
> > 18 . . . . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> > 19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

--
The Kid

Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:04:15 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Schroeder <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go Move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I take my free stone for this nweek and place it at m18.

    a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
  1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  3 . . . . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . .
  4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
  5 . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
  7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
  9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
10 . D . . . . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
16 . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go move
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 04:17:43 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I take my free stone for this nweek (W for... whatever) and place it at K5.

    a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
  1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  3 . . . . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . .
  4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
  5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . .
  6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
  7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
  9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 10 . D . . . . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
 11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
 13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
 15 . P . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
 16 . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . . . . .
 17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
 18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
 19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

BLMP.

From: "Harrison, Andrew" <[email-masked]>
To: 'Nomic Business' <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: spoon-business: Go move
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:23:08 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I offer an alliance to BLMP

--
The Kid

Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:05:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: Benjamin Bradley <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I claim my free stone and play it at L13

>     a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
>   1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>   2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>   3 . . . . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . .
>   4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
>   5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . .
>   6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
>   7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>   8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
>   9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  10 . D . . . . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
>  11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
>  13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . .
>  14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  15 . P . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
>  16 . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . . . . .
>  17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
>  18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
>  19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

- Benjamin Bradley - "these strange things happen all the time"
- http://lostpoet.tripod.com/
- whee life what a rush

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: voting results, nweek 19
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:39:59 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Again, not much to report, as we missed quorum by one vote.

P455/0 held (5-0-0-12)
P456/1 held (5-0-0-12)
P458/0 held (5-0-0-12)
P459/0 held (5-0-0-12)
P460/0 held (1-4-0-12)
P461/1 held (4-1-0-12)
P462/0 held (3-2-0-12)
P463/0 held (5-0-0-12)
P464/0 held (4-1-0-12)

Because of that, I'm declaring the voting for nweek 20 to be a quorum vote.

-- 
J.

From: =?us-ascii?Q?Jorg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go move
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:58:53 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I claim my free stone and place it at g16.

   a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 3 . . . . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . .
 4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
 5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . .
 6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
10 . D . . . . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . P . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
16 . . . . . . G . . . . . S . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

     Name                      Allies
----------------------------------------
  J  Joel                      none
  P  PurpleBob                 C,K
  C  Poulenc                   P,K,D
  S  Jeff Schroeder            B
  K  The Kid                   C,P,D
  G  Joerg                     none
  Z  Zagarna                   none
  B  Benjamin                  S
  D  Dave                      K,C
  M  M'cachessilnath           none
  W  Blast Lex Monk Pal        none

Joerg

Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:03:37 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I claim my free stone for this week and place it at e10.

   a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 3 . . . . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . .
 4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
 5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . .
 6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
10 . D . . D . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . P . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
16 . . . . . . G . . . . . S . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

     Name                      Allies
----------------------------------------
  J  Joel                      none
  P  PurpleBob                 C,K
  C  Poulenc                   P,K,D
  S  Jeff Schroeder            B
  K  The Kid                   C,P,D
  G  Joerg                     none
  Z  Zagarna                   none
  B  Benjamin                  S
  D  Dave                      K,C
  M  M'cachessilnath           none
  W  Blast Lex Monk Pal        none

Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:26:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: Benjamin Bradley <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I offer an alliance to Joerg.

- Benjamin Bradley - "these strange things happen all the time"
- http://lostpoet.tripod.com/
- whee life what a rush

Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:10:24 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Rounding out the alliances
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I propose an alliance with Dave.
-- 
Rob Speer

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: go move
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:17:04 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I claim my free stone for the nweek, and place it at j3.

   a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 3 . . . . . . . J . J . . . . . . . . .
 4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
 5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . .
 6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
10 . D . . D . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . P . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
16 . . . . . . G . . . . . S . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

     Name                      Allies
----------------------------------------
  J  Joel                      none
  P  PurpleBob                 C,K
  C  Poulenc                   P,K,D
  S  Jeff Schroeder            B
  K  The Kid                   C,P,D
  G  Joerg                     none
  Z  Zagarna                   none
  B  Benjamin                  S
  D  Dave                      K,C
  M  M'cachessilnath           none
  W  Blast Lex Monk Pal        none

-- 
J.

Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:23:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I claim my free stone this nweek and play it an m3

poulenc
> 
>    a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
>  1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  3 . . . . . . . J . J . . C . . . . . .
>  4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
>  5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . .
>  6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
>  7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
>  9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> 10 . D . . D . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
> 11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> 12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
> 13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . .
> 14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
> 15 . P . . P . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
> 16 . . . . . . G . . . . . S . . . . . .
> 17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
> 18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
> 19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z
> 
> 
>      Name                      Allies
> ----------------------------------------
>   J  Joel                      none
>   P  PurpleBob                 C,K
>   C  Poulenc                   P,K,D
>   S  Jeff Schroeder            B
>   K  The Kid                   C,P,D
>   G  Joerg                     none
>   Z  Zagarna                   none
>   B  Benjamin                  S
>   D  Dave                      K,C
>   M  M'cachessilnath           none
>   W  Blast Lex Monk Pal        none
> 
> -- 
> J.
> 
> 
> 

Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:43:16 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Rounding out the alliances
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Rob Speer wrote:

> I propose an alliance with Dave.

I accept (which, I believe, is a "free" action). If it's not (please
correct me if this is the case), then I don't accept, and will do so
tomorrow. :-)

...dave

From: =?us-ascii?Q?Jorg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: go move
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:15:40 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

=20
> > I offer an alliance to Joerg.
>=20
> I accept the alliance and offer an alliance to Jeff Schroeder.

... and I should have done so on the business list.

Hmmm. Maybe we should create another forum for Go moves, as the reply =
usually is supposed to go to the same list?

Joerg

From: "Harrison, Andrew" <[email-masked]>
To: 'Nomic Business' <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: spoon-business: go move
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:13:00 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I offer an alliance to Benjamin.
Chess, I still have an outstanding alliance offer to you.

--
The Kid

Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:54:59 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Schroeder <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: RE: spoon-business: go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Sure, I accept.

At 05:12 AM 4/12/01, you wrote:

> > I offer an alliance to Joerg.
>
>I accept the alliance and offer an alliance to Jeff Schroeder.
>
>
>Joerg

Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:14:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: Benjamin Bradley <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: spoon-business: go move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Harrison, Andrew wrote:
> I offer an alliance to Benjamin.

I accept.

I purchase an extra stone for 4p.

- Benjamin Bradley - "these strange things happen all the time"
- http://lostpoet.tripod.com/
- whee life what a rush

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: go alliance
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:49:05 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I offer an alliance to Poulenc.

-- 
J.

Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:10:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Proposal: Go Bookkeeping 
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Joel Uckelman wrote:

> Quoth "David E. Smith":
> > \begin{proposal}
> > \title{Go Bookkeeping}
> Do you mean this to replace the Go Consul? If so, why not just amend R365
> to make the Go Consul elected?

Because I wasn't aware of that position, as I'd seen no activity from said
Go Consul to date. As always, a careful reading of the rules causes
Enlightenment. :)

ObBusinessList: I withdraw the above (unrecognized?) proposal.

...dave

From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go move
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:21:10 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I offer an alliance to BLMP
> 
> --
> The Kid

I accept.

No, really this time.

BLMP.

Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:29:04 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Yet Another Go Move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Time to round out the alliances list... I offer an alliance to PurpleBob.

...dave

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: motion recognition
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:03:37 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following Motions are recognized:

M34/0, Motion to Change Contestmasters, by PurpleBob
M35/0, Motion to Add, by Aranor

These will pass by unanimous consent in two days, pending no objections.

-- 
J.

Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:08:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: go alliance
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I accept the alliance
poulenc.

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Joel Uckelman wrote:

> I offer an alliance to Poulenc.
> 
> -- 
> J.
> 
> 
> 

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 20
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 01:18:23 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The following Proposals are up for voting (I believe this is the same batch 
as last nweek):

P455/0, Statute of Limitation, by Joerg
P456/1, Pooker, by PurpleBob
P458/0, The Dunce Cap, by Benjamin
P459/0, Separation of Card Packs, by PurpleBob
P460/0, point protection, by Poulenc
P461/1, Go moves improvement, by Joerg
P462/0, Accepting an alliance is a normal (counted) Go move, by Joerg
P463/0, Mediocrity fix fix, by PurpleBob
P464/0, Thug Time Limit, by PurpleBob

As this is a quorum vote, these proposals will pass or fail this time 
around. So remember to vote!

-- 
J.

From: "Chess" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Nomic Business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: go move
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:20:49 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> Chess, I still have an outstanding alliance offer to you.

Ugh, this is what happens when offline for a week... sorry. I accept the
alliance.

From: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Failed Proposal Fine
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:56:07 -0400
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I feel that it is time to adjust the Failed Proposal Fine.  I make it 5 for
this nweek and will lower it next week to try to spur the game on.  Banker
- have you adjusted any of your adjustable fines?

jeff

Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:37:08 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Another Pooker fix
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

[[ It turns out that I forgot to define any period of time for a Showdown, so
hypothetically one could continue indefinitely. I'll fix that now. ]]

[[ If, for some reason, Pooker doesn't pass, I will rescind this proposal. ]]

\begin{Proposal}
\title{Fix the Showdown}
Change the third paragraph of the rule entitled "Pooker: the Showdown" to:

"In the event of a Showdown, each Player can choose whether to show eir cards.
If e decides to show eir cards, e must post a message within three days to a
public forum, describing which PCards should be shown, and how they should be
arranged into Poker Hands. After three days have passed since the Showdown was
declared, a prize of a certain number of Points (as described below) goes to
the Player or Players with the highest total Score of Poker Hands, and all
PCards that were shown are returned to the Deck."
\end{Proposal}

-- 
Rob Speer

Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:50:44 -0400
From: Rob Speer <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Dealer's Report, nweek 20
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

A Red card was dealt to Dave.
Blue cards were dealt to Joel and Joerg.
Fish cards were dealt to Benjamin and myself (mine goes back into the Deck).

-- 
Rob Speer

From: =?US-ASCII?Q?Jorg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: spoon-business: Failed Proposal Fine
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:21:52 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

> I feel that it is time to adjust the Failed Proposal Fine.  I=20
> make it 5 for
> this nweek and will lower it next week to try to spur the game on.  =
Banker
> - have you adjusted any of your adjustable fines?

You can actually change that value during the voting period? IMHO, =
that's bad, as people might want to deactivate some proposals if the FPF =
seems too high to them.

I propose:

\begin{proposal}
\title{Awards and Fines should be known before voting starts}

Amend rule 323 by replacing both occurences of "Once per nweek," with =
"Once per nweek, but not during the voting period,"

\end{proposal}

Joerg

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: voting results, nweek 20
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:16:33 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

P455/0 passed (9-1-1-6)
P456/1 passed (8-1-2-6)
P458/0 passed (11-0-0-6)
P459/0 passed (9-2-0-6)
P460/0 failed (0-11-0-6)*
P461/1 passed (6-4-1-6)
P462/0 failed (5-5-1-6)
P463/0 passed (10-1-0-6)
P464/0 passed (9-1-1-6)

* Blest Lax Monk Pal used the Thug to reverse Poulenc's vote on P460.

Scoring:

Joerg 9 (7, 7, -5)
M'cachessilnath 0 (0, 0, 0, 0)
PurpleBob 28 (7, 7, 7, 7)
Benjamin 7 (7)
Blest Lax Monk Pal 0 (0)
Poulenc -5 (-5)
Joel 0 (0)
The Kid 0 (0, 0)
Zagarna 0 (0)
Dave 0 (0)

Because the Thug was used, it should have a new owner now. Also, because 
the Thug was used, I need to do a little coding to allow its addition into 
the records.

-- 
J.

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal to remove the debt system
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:33:58 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Here's the proposal, see also my comments in the discussion forum:

\begin{proposal}
\title{Remove the debt system}

Amend rule 317 (The Bank) by changing its text to:

"The bank is an Agent, but not an eligible voter. It is the
resposibility of the Bank to manage the distribution of points.

When the rules specify that a Player is awarded a certain amount of
points, the bank shall transfer that amount of points from its
property to the Player; When the rules specify that a Player is fined
a certain amount of points, these points shall be transfered from the
Player to the Bank."

Amend rule 318 (The Banker) by changing its text to:

"The Office of the Banker is an elective office. It is the
responsibility of the Banker to take actions on behalf of the Bank and
to keep track of the number of points owned by each Player.

The Banker's report shall include a list of all point transfers that
happened in that nweek, the new scores of each Player, and the Bank's
property by the end of that nweek."

Amend rule 321 (The Officer of Bean Counting) by changing its text to:

"The Officer of Bean Counting (OBC) is an Elected Officer. The OBC
shall keep track of the number of objects owend by each Player, with
the exception of points, which are counted by the Banker."

Amend rule 324 (Office of the Tax Collector) by changing its text to:

"The Office of The Tax Collector is an Elective Office. The Tax
Collector is responsible for the Bank's income."

Amend rule 325 (Bankruptcy) by changing its text to:

"If ever the Bank's Score becomes negative, the Bank has become
bankrupt.

Whenever the Bank is bankrupt, the Banker and Tax Collector are fined
20 Points each, with the excpetion that the Bankruptcy Fine may be
imposed no more than once per turn."

Repeal rule 351 (Automatic Debt Payment)
Repeal rule 358 (Motion for Payment)

Amend rule 121 (Score) by changing its text to:

"Associated with each agent is a scalar quantity known as eir
score. An agent's score is a representation of the number of point
objects or antipoint objects owned by em.

The score of an agent shall be a positive number if e owns points, and
a negative number if e owns antipoints."

Create a new rule entitled "Point transfer" with the following text:

"The owner of one or more points may transfer any or all points in eir
posession to another legal owner by posting to the public forum.

If a rule specifies that an agent needs to pay a certain amount of
points, or that an agent owes points, or the rule contains any other
provision with the same effect, and the coditions specified in those
rules are met, the point transfer shall happen automatically. An Agent
may not take actions that require em to transfer points if e does not
have enough points."

Create a new rule entitled "Antipoints" with the following text:

"Antipoints are objects. If an Agent is required to transfer an amount
of points greater than the number of points in eir posession, the
required number of points shall be created in eir posession and
transfered. Then, a number of antipoints equal to the number of points
created before shall be created in eir posession.

If an Agent owns both points and antipoints, one point and one
antipoint in eir posession shall be destroyed. This process shall be
repeated until the Agent owns either no more points or no more
antipoints."

Create a new rule entitled "Debt transition" with the following text:

"For each debt object, the banker shall perform the point transfer
required to satisfy the debt and the debt shall be destroyed. No
permission to perform the point transfer is required from the creditor
or the debtor.

As soon as all debts are destroyed, this rule and rule 347 (Debts are
Objects) shall be repealed automatically."

\end{proposal}

Joerg

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: A new banker?
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:34:02 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I nominate myself for the Office of the Banker.

Note however that I'll resign if my debt-system-removal proposal fails, =
as I don't want to have that much work managing the debts.

Oh, and the last banker's and bean counter's report were created nweek =
17. Is anyone motivated to create reports for nweeks 18, 19, 20 and 21? =
If not, I make the following proposal (well, I make the proposal anyway, =
but if someone's going to create the reports, I'll withdraw it):

\begin{proposal}
\title{Resolution to reset scores}

Whereas, the last Banker's report was issued nweek 17, and

Whereas, the last Bean Counter's report was issued nweek 17 and reported =
the scores as of 2 March, 20001, and

Whereas, it doesn't seem likely that anyone has enough time and =
motivation to calculate the exact current scores and to create a =
comprehensive list of all existing debt objects,

Therefore, let it be resolved that, upon the adoption of this proposal,

1. the scores of all Nomic Players are set to ten points, and

2. the score of the Bank is set to 500 points, and

3. all existing debt objects are destroyed.

\end{proposal}

Joerg

Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:08:28 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Schroeder <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go Move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I almost forgot!  I place my stone at k15.  Do I have any outstanding 
alliance offers?

    a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
  1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  3 . . . . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . .
  4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
  5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . .
  6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
  7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
  9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
10 . D . . D . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . P . . P . . . . . S . . . . S . . .
16 P . . . . . G . . . . . S . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

      Name                      Allies
----------------------------------------
   J  Joel                      none
   P  PurpleBob                 C,K,D
   C  Poulenc                   P,K,D
   S  Jeff Schroeder            B
   K  The Kid                   C,P,D
   G  Joerg                     none
   Z  Zagarna                   none
   B  Benjamin                  S
   D  Dave                      K,C,P
   M  M'cachessilnath           none
   W  Blest Lax Monk Pal        none

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 03:29:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: "David E. Smith" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go Move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I claim my free stone for the week, and place it at c11.

Note also that, though it's not official by any means, the current state
of Political Go is maintained to the best of my ability at
http://www.technopagan.org/go/ .

>     a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
>   1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>   2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>   3 . . . . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . .
>   4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
>   5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . .
>   6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
>   7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>   8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
>   9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  10 . D . . D . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
>  11 . . D . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
>  13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . .
>  14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
>  15 . P . . P . . . . . S . . . . S . . .
>  16 P . . . . . G . . . . . S . . . . . .
>  17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
>  18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
>  19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z
>
>       Name                      Allies
> ----------------------------------------
>    J  Joel                      none
>    P  PurpleBob                 C,K,D
>    C  Poulenc                   P,K,D
>    S  Jeff Schroeder            B
>    K  The Kid                   C,P,D
>    G  Joerg                     none
>    Z  Zagarna                   none
>    B  Benjamin                  S
>    D  Dave                      K,C,P
>    M  M'cachessilnath           none
>    W  Blest Lax Monk Pal        none

Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:01:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: Benjamin Bradley <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go Move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I claim my free stone and play it at Q9.
I also purchase an additional stone for 4p.

     a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
   1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
   2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
   3 . . . . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . .
   4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
   5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . .
   6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
   7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
   8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
   9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . .
  10 . D . . D . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
  11 . . D . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
  13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . .
  14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
  15 . P . . P . . . . . S . . . . S . . .
  16 P . . . . . G . . . . . S . . . . . .
  17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
  18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
  19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

> >       Name                      Allies
> > ----------------------------------------
> >    J  Joel                      none
> >    P  PurpleBob                 C,K,D
> >    C  Poulenc                   P,K,D
> >    S  Jeff Schroeder            B
> >    K  The Kid                   C,P,D
> >    G  Joerg                     none
> >    Z  Zagarna                   none
> >    B  Benjamin                  S
> >    D  Dave                      K,C,P
> >    M  M'cachessilnath           none
> >    W  Blest Lax Monk Pal        none
>
>

- Benjamin Bradley - "these strange things happen all the time"
- http://lostpoet.tripod.com/
- whee life what a rush

To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go Move 
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:29:26 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I claim my free stone and play it at K3.

     a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
   1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
   2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
   3 . . . . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . .
   4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
   5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . .
   6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
   7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
   8 . . . . . . . . K . . . . . . C . . .
   9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . .
  10 . D . . D . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
  11 . . D . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
  13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . .
  14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
  15 . P . . P . . . . . S . . . . S . . .
  16 P . . . . . G . . . . . S . . . . . .
  17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
  18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
  19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

> >       Name                      Allies
> > ----------------------------------------
> >    J  Joel                      none
> >    P  PurpleBob                 C,K,D
> >    C  Poulenc                   P,K,D
> >    S  Jeff Schroeder            B
> >    K  The Kid                   C,P,D
> >    G  Joerg                     none
> >    Z  Zagarna                   none
> >    B  Benjamin                  S
> >    D  Dave                      K,C,P
> >    M  M'cachessilnath           none
> >    W  Blest Lax Monk Pal        none

-- 
J.

From: "Harrison, Andrew" <[email-masked]>
To: 'Nomic Business' <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Go Move 
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:09:17 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I claim my free stone and place it at k8

--
The Kid

> > 
> >      a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
> >    1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> >    2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> >    3 . . . . . . . J . . J C . . . . . . .
> >    4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
> >    5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . .
> >    6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
> >    7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> >    8 . . . . . . . . K . K . . . . C . . .
> >    9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . .
> >   10 . D . . D . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
> >   11 . . D . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> >   12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
> >   13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . .
> >   14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
> >   15 . P . . P . . . . . S . . . . S . . .
> >   16 P . . . . . G . . . . . S . . . . . .
> >   17 . . G . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . .
> >   18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
> >   19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z
> > 
> 

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go Move 
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:43:27 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I claim my free stone and place it at i17. I'm also allied with Jeff and =
Benjamin, and I think Benjamin allied with The Kid and The Kid is allied =
with Chess. I added that to the allies list. Correct me if I'm wrong.

   a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 3 . . . . . . . J . . J C . . . . . . .
 4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
 5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . .
 6 . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 8 . . . . . . . . K . K . . . . C . . .
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . .
10 . D . . D . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . D . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . P . . P . . . . . S . . . . S . . .
16 P . . . . . G . . . . . S . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

      Name                      Allies
----------------------------------------
   J  Joel                      none
   P  PurpleBob                 C,K,D
   C  Poulenc                   P,K,D
   S  Jeff Schroeder            B,G
   K  The Kid                   C,P,D,B,M
   G  Joerg                     B,S
   Z  Zagarna                   none
   B  Benjamin                  S,G,K
   D  Dave                      K,C,P
   M  M'cachessilnath           K
   W  Blest Lax Monk Pal        none

Joerg

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:34:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Go Move
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I claim my free stone and play it at L3.  i sent this to the disc. list by
mistake last time.  the most recently updated board includes it correctly.
Poulenc

From: "Chess" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Nomic Business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go 'move'
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:42:27 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I claim my free stone but don't actually do anything with it yet... (I'm
sure I have some allies somewhere who will tell me what to do with it?)

Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:03:41 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Jeff Schroeder <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Go alliance
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I propose an alliance with Zagarna.  Do you accept?

From: "Harrison, Andrew" <[email-masked]>
To: 'Nomic Business' <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: spoon-business: Go Move 
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:56:38 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I propose an alliance with BLMP.

Offered alliances are in brackets.
 
>       Name                      Allies
> ----------------------------------------
>    J  Joel                      C
>    P  PurpleBob                 C,K,D
>    C  Poulenc                   P,K,D,J
>    S  Jeff Schroeder            B,G,(Z)
>    K  The Kid                   C,P,D,B,M,(W)
>    G  Joerg                     B,S
>    Z  Zagarna                   none
>    B  Benjamin                  S,G,K
>    D  Dave                      K,C,P
>    M  M'cachessilnath           K
>    W  Blest Lax Monk Pal        none

--
The Kid

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Yet another proposal
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:53:16 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I just noticed a minor problem with the modified rule 368.

\begin{proposal}
\titile{Go moves fix}

In rule 368 (Go moves), replace the text

"The offer becomes void if the Go player to whom it was offered makes =
any other move before accepting the offer, or if the Go player who made =
the offer withdraws it."

with

"The offer becomes void if the Go player who made the offer withdraws =
it."

\end{proposal}

Reason: If you offer an alliance to someone and e accepts another offer =
before accepting yours, your offer already became invalid. This is not =
really what I intended. If someone joins an alliance that you didn't =
mean to offer any longer, just declare war on em.

Joerg

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_Rathlev?= <[email-masked]>
To: "A Nomic Business" <[email-masked]>
Subject: spoon-business: Proposal revision
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:53:17 +0200
Importance: Normal
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In my proposal "remove the debt system" (as it's unrecognized yet, I =
can't use its number, sorry) add the following text:

"In rule 380 (Taxation), remove the last paragraph."

(This means the Bean Counter won't be fined if the score of players is =
unknown. If it's the banker's job to calculate the score, the OBC =
shouldn't be fined. As soon as we've managed to calculate the current =
scores, we can add the same provision, but for the banker.)

Joerg

From: "Chess" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Nomic Business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go Move 
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:07:08 +0100
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I place my free go stone at E6...
 
  a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s
 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 2 . . . . J . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 3 . . . . . . . J . . J C . . . . . . .
 4 . . . J . . . . . . . . . . C . . . .
 5 . J . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . .
 6 . . . . M . M . . . . . . . . C . . .
 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 8 . . . . . . . . K . K . . . . C . . .
 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . .
10 . D . . D . . . K . K . . . B . . . .
11 . . D . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . .
13 . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . .
14 . . . . . . P . . . . . . . . . . . .
15 . P . . P . . . . . S . . . . S . . .
16 P . . . . . G . . . . . S . . . . . .
17 . . G . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . .
18 . . . . . G . . . . . . S . . . . . .
19 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

      Name                      Allies
----------------------------------------
   J  Joel                      none
   P  PurpleBob                 C,K,D
   C  Poulenc                   P,K,D
   S  Jeff Schroeder            B,G
   K  The Kid                   C,P,D,B,M
   G  Joerg                     B,S
   Z  Zagarna                   none
   B  Benjamin                  S,G,K
   D  Dave                      K,C,P
   M  M'cachessilnath           K
   W  Blest Lax Monk Pal        none

Joerg

Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:33:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan <[email-masked]>
To: "'nomic-business'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: spoon-business: Go Move 
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I offer an alliance to M'cachessilnath.

Poulenc

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: proposal recognition
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:11:57 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I recognize the following Proposals:

P465/0, Fix the Showdown, by PurpleBob
P466/0, Remove the debt system, by Joerg
P466/1, Remove the debt system, by Joerg

-- 
J.

To: [email-masked]
Subject: spoon-business: Ballot, nweek 21
From: Joel Uckelman <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:16:55 -0500
Sender: [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

The ballot for nweek 21 is as follows:

The following Proposals are up for voting:
P465/0, Fix the Showdown, by PurpleBob
P466/1, Remove the debt system, by Joerg

Here are what I believe to the be texts of those two Proposals:

----
P465/0

Change the third paragraph of the rule entitled "Pooker: the Showdown" to:

"In the event of a Showdown, each Player can choose whether to show eir 
cards.
If e decides to show eir cards, e must post a message within three days to a
public forum, describing which PCards should be shown, and how they should 
be
arranged into Poker Hands. After three days have passed since the Showdown 
was
declared, a prize of a certain number of Points (as described below) goes to
the Player or Players with the highest total Score of Poker Hands, and all
PCards that were shown are returned to the Deck."

----

P466/1

Amend rule 317 (The Bank) by changing its text to:

"The bank is an Agent, but not an eligible voter. It is the
resposibility of the Bank to manage the distribution of points.

When the rules specify that a Player is awarded a certain amount of
points, the bank shall transfer that amount of points from its
property to the Player; When the rules specify that a Player is fined
a certain amount of points, these points shall be transfered from the
Player to the Bank."

Amend rule 318 (The Banker) by changing its text to:

"The Office of the Banker is an elective office. It is the
responsibility of the Banker to take actions on behalf of the Bank and
to keep track of the number of points owned by each Player.

The Banker's report shall include a list of all point transfers that
happened in that nweek, the new scores of each Player, and the Bank's
property by the end of that nweek."

Amend rule 321 (The Officer of Bean Counting) by changing its text to:

"The Officer of Bean Counting (OBC) is an Elected Officer. The OBC
shall keep track of the number of objects owend by each Player, with
the exception of points, which are counted by the Banker."

Amend rule 324 (Office of the Tax Collector) by changing its text to:

"The Office of The Tax Collector is an Elective Office. The Tax
Collector is responsible for the Bank's income."

Amend rule 325 (Bankruptcy) by changing its text to:

"If ever the Bank's Score becomes negative, the Bank has become
bankrupt.

Whenever the Bank is bankrupt, the Banker and Tax Collector are fined
20 Points each, with the excpetion that the Bankruptcy Fine may be
imposed no more than once per turn."

Repeal rule 351 (Automatic Debt Payment)
Repeal rule 358 (Motion for Payment)

Amend rule 121 (Score) by changing its text to:

"Associated with each agent is a scalar quantity known as eir
score. An agent's score is a representation of the number of point
objects or antipoint objects owned by em.

The score of an agent shall be a positive number if e owns points, and
a negative number if e owns antipoints."

Create a new rule entitled "Point transfer" with the following text:

"The owner of one or more points may transfer any or all points in eir
posession to another legal owner by posting to the public forum.

If a rule specifies that an agent needs to pay a certain amount of
points, or that an agent owes points, or the rule contains any other
provision with the same effect, and the coditions specified in those
rules are met, the point transfer shall happen automatically. An Agent
may not take actions that require em to transfer points if e does not
have enough points."

Create a new rule entitled "Antipoints" with the following text:

"Antipoints are objects. If an Agent is required to transfer an amount
of points greater than the number of points in eir posession, the
required number of points shall be created in eir posession and
transfered. Then, a number of antipoints equal to the number of points
created before shall be created in eir posession.

If an Agent owns both points and antipoints, one point and one
antipoint in eir posession shall be destroyed. This process shall be
repeated until the Agent owns either no more points or no more
antipoints."

Create a new rule entitled "Debt transition" with the following text:

"For each debt object, the banker shall perform the point transfer
required to satisfy the debt and the debt shall be destroyed. No
permission to perform the point transfer is required from the creditor
or the debtor.

As soon as all debts are destroyed, this rule and rule 347 (Debts are
Objects) shall be repealed automatically."

In rule 380 (Taxation), remove the last paragraph.

----

-- 
J.