Archive Of Proposals (21st Nov. 2000 to 14th Dec. 2002) The game began on the 21st of November, 2000, at which time the only rule was this: "All rule changes must be agreed to by all players." There follows a list of all the proposals which have been formally lodged as polls on this website. This file was created on 10th November 2002. "Whatever the outcome of the game will eventually be, it will not be valid unless all proposals ever proposed are available for all contestants at that point, to examine them that is." PROPOSED 22nd November 2000 by Stefan Van Zwam. FAILED: 2 for, 4 against. "All members should propose a new rule at least once a week." PROPOSED 22nd November 2000 by [unknown]. FAILED: 2 for, 4 against. "The first rule shall be amended, so that a vote can be won by majority (more than 50% of the members of the list) rather than requiring absolute agreement." PROPOSED 22nd November 2000 by Rachel Dugdale. FAILED: 7 for, 2 against. "Henceforwards the polling feature shall be used only for the proposal of rule amendments, so that it is easy to see all of these at once without the confusion of other polls, and that other issues be discussed on the list." PROPOSED 23rd November 2000 by Rachel Dugdale. PASSED: 7 for, 0 against. Now RULE 4: On Use Of The Polling Feature. "Posts to the email list should be kept with relevant subject lines. This hasn't been a problem with this list as yet, but most lists don't seem to keep relevant subject lines for long. And it would be useful in referencing back to the archives." PROPOSED 23rd November 2000 by Rachel Dugdale. FAILED: 6 for, 1 against. "There will be no overall winner but a separating of all players by the end into two or more groups, determined by other introduced rules." PROPOSED 23rd November 2000 by [unknown]. FAILED: 4 for, 4 against. "I propose that it be forbidden to discuss on this list the mathematics of conditional probability and the relative probabilities of having different numbers of children. (Sorry. Something of an in-joke. Please all vote in favour...)" PROPOSED 23rd November 2000 by Rachel Dugdale. PASSED: 7 for, 0 against. Now RULE 3: On Conditional Probability. "I propose that all votes should have a ten day time limit." PROPOSED 24th November 2000 by Chris Harris. PASSED: 7 for, 0 against. Now RULE 2: Darth Vader. "All polls should be presented in the English language." PROPOSED 26th November 2000 by Chris Harris. PASSED: 7 for, 0 against. Now RULE 5: Bob. "Eve ryvo tes houl dha Veso meso rtof puzz lein itt oma Ket hem mo Rein ter est in Gan dyo uca non lyvot eif yo Uhv sol v edit." PROPOSED 26th November 2000 by russelp@mac.com. FAILED: 2 for, 3 against. "If by the end of the time-limit for a given proposal there have been no votes against said proposal, it is considered passed." PROPOSED 30th November 2000 by Jamie Johnston. PASSED: 7 for, 0 against. Now RULE 8: On Voting By Default. "Every new rule must be given a name by its proposer by the time the rule is entered in the official list of rules. In the case of rules already entered in the official list of rules, each rule must be given a name by its original proposer as soon as possible. The initial rule is exempt from the above requirements." PROPOSED 30th November 2000 by Jamie Johnston. FAILED: 4 for, 0 against. "I propose that all new polls cannot start "I propose". Just for a laugh." PROPOSED 1st December 2000 by [unknown]. FAILED: 4 for, 3 against. "Should two or more rules contradict each other on a given issue, the newest rule will be considered to override the other(s)." PROPOSED 1st December 2000 by Stefan Van Zwam. PASSED: 7 for, 0 against. Now RULE 6: Consistency Axiom. "The first person to possess an entire continent is the winner of this game, if and only if at that time a proper definition of "possession" exists." PROPOSED 13th January 2001 by Stefan Van Zwam. PASSED: 4 for, 0 against. Now RULE 7: Final Rule. "Definition of Countries and Possession: A country is a game entity that players may possess that roughly corresponds to a country in the real world as of January 1, 2001. A player may gain possession of a country by making a proposal of such to the Pure_Nomic@yahoogroups.com mailing list. If said proposal passes in accordance with the rules then in effect, the player gains possession of the country." PROPOSED 10th October 2001 by Chris Goodwin. FAILED: 3 for, 0 against. "Definition of Continent: The continents in existence on planet Earth have a corresponding virtual existence in the game world. A player in possession of all of the countries in a continent is said to be in possession of that continent." CREATED 10th October 2001 by Chris Goodwin. FAILED: 4 for, 0 against. "Belize: Chris Goodwin possesses the country of Belize. This proposal does not create a rule." PROPOSED 10th October 2001 by Chris Goodwin. FAILED: 1 for, 3 against. "Trading of Countries: Countries may be traded between players. A trade requires the approval of the players involved in the trade. This is an exception to any rules that require the approval of all players for changes in the game state, unless those rules specifically refer to the trading of countries." PROPOSED 10th October 2001 by Chris Goodwin. FAILED: 3 for, 0 against. "A player can be expelled from the game only by the successful passing of a rule stating that the player is expelled." PROPOSED 29th October 2001 by Jamie Johnston. PASSED: 4 for, 0 against. Now RULE 9: On The Expulsion Of Players "On Legislative Nomenclature: Every new rule shall be given a name by its proposer at the time of proposal. In the case of rules already entered in the official list of rules, each rule shall be given a name by its original proposer as soon as possible. No rule may be given a name which is already the name of another rule." PROPOSED 1st December 2001 by Jamie Johnston. PASSED: 4 for, 0 against. Now RULE 11: On Legislative Nomenclature. "On The Naming Of The Initial Rule: The initial rule shall be officially named 'The Initial Rule', and shall henceforth appear in the official list of rules under that name." PROPOSED 1st December 2001 by Jamie Johnston. PASSED: 4 for, 0 against. Now RULE 10: On The Naming Of The Initial Rule. THIS PROPOSAL AMENDED RULE 1: The Initial Rule. "On Unnamed Rules: If after 1st January 2002 any rule in the official list of rules is without a name as prescribed by the rule 'On Legislative Nomenclature', that rule shall be given a name by a method to be determined at the time." PROPOSED 11th December 2001 by Jamie Johnston. PASSED: 5 for, 0 against. Now RULE 12: On Unnamed Rules. "Definition of Countries and Possession: A country is a game entity that players may possess that corresponds to a country in the real world as of January 1, 2001. A player may gain possession of a country by making a proposal of such to the Pure_Nomic@yahoogroups.com mailing list. If said proposal passes in accordance with the rules then in effect, the player gains possession of the country." PROPOSED 18th December 2001 by Chris Goodwin. PASSED: 5 for, 0 against. Now RULE 15: Definition Of Countries And Possession. "Definition of Continent: The continents in existence on planet Earth have a corresponding virtual existence in the game world. A player in possession of all of the countries in a continent is said to be in possession of that continent." PROPOSED 18th December 2001 by Chris Goodwin. PASSED: 5 for, 0 against. Now RULE 14: Definition Of Continent. "On The Renaming Of Rules: Once entered in to the list of rules, the name of a rule can only be changed by the successful passage of a rule to that effect." PROPOSED 18th December 2001 by Rachel Dugdale. PASSED: 5 for, 0 against. Now RULE 13: On The Renaming Of Rules. "The rule with number 2 will be named "Darth Vader", and the rule with number 5 will be named "Bob"." PROPOSED 1st May 2002 by Stefan Van Zwam. PASSED: 2 for, 0 against. THIS PROPOSAL AMENDED RULE 2: Darth Vader and RULE 5: Bob. "PROPOSAL TO AMEND RULE 1 TO: 1. The Initial Rule The rules may not be changed without the agreement of all players." PROPOSED 23rd July by Jamie Johnston. PASSED: 3 for, 0 against. THIS PROPOSAL AMENDED RULE 1: The Initial Rule. "Pork-Barrel Rule: When a rule is proposed, the proposer may include the name of a country as an element of the proposal. It must be included after the regular wording of the rule, and it must be exactly in the form of "Coup d'etat: ", where is the name of a country as defined in rule 15: Definition of Countries and Possession. If the proposal is passed and entered into the rules, the proposer is said to be in the possession of . In addition, when the rule is entered into the listing of "The Rules Thus Far," an addendum shall be made following the rule, declaring that " takes possession of on ," where is the proposer's preferred title, is the name of the country in question, and date is the date that the rule is passed, in the form of MMDDYY." PROPOSED 14th August 2002 by zenomic@myborg.com. PASSED: 5 for, 0 against. Now RULE 16: Pork-Barrel Rule "On The Territorial Outcome Of The Twenty-Fifth Rule: Upon Rule 25 being passed and entered in the official list of Rules Thus Far, under whatever name it may be entered, the eldest player in the game shall be awarded possession of Monaco; the player whose age most nearly approaches the mean age of all the players at the time shall be awarded possession of Brazil; the player whose age is closest to the date of the day on which the poll by which Rule 25 is passed closes (that is, the number of the day in the month) shall be awarded possession of Japan; and the two players whose ages are closest together shall be awarded joint possession of the United States of America. When there are several players who meet the same demand, they will be ordered lexicographically by the last letter of their legal first name, and the last one will be picked. Where this does not resolve the issue, the procedures outlined in Rule 17 shall be followed." PROPOSED 7th November 2002 by Jamie Johnston. FAILED: 1 for, 2 against. "On The Territorial Outcome Of The Twenty-Fifth Rule: Upon Rule 25 being passed and entered in the official list of Rules Thus Far, under whatever name it may be entered, the eldest player in the game shall be awarded possession of Monaco; the player whose age most nearly approaches the mean age of all the players at the time shall be awarded possession of Brazil; the player whose age is closest to the date of the day on which the poll by which Rule 25 is passed closes (that is, the number of the day in the month) shall be awarded possession of Japan; and the two players whose ages are closest together shall be awarded joint possession of the United States of America. When there are several players who meet the same demand, they will be ordered lexicographically by the last letter of their legal first name, and the last one will be picked. Where this does not resolve the issue, the procedures outlined in Rule 18 shall be followed." PROPOSED 17th November 2002 by Jamie Johnston. PASSED: 5 for, 0 against. Now RULE 17: On The Territorial Outcome Of The Twenty-Fifth Rule. "On The Untying Of Ties: In the case of a tie between players for possession of a country, the player who has successfully proposed the most rules in the preceding three months shall be appointed Arbiter, and must decide which of the tied players receives the aforementioned country, or whether they are to share possession equally. In the event that there is a tie for the position of Arbiter, the position shall be taken by the proposer of the rule most recently passed." PROPOSED 19th November 2002 by Rachel Dugdale. PASSED: 6 for, 0 against. Now RULE 18: On The Untying Of Ties. "On Secret Ballots: Polls must be conducted as secret ballots, by selecting the 'Do not display voter identity' option on the 'Create Poll' page." PROPOSED 19th November 2002 by Rachel Dugdale. FAILED: 5 for, 1 against. "Proposal to amend 'Rule 13: On The Renaming Of Rules' to read: Once entered in to the list of rules, the name of a rule can only be changed by the successful passage of an amendment to that effect." PROPOSED 4th Deecember 2002 by Rachel Dugdale. PASSED: 4 for, 0 against. THIS PROPOSAL AMENDED RULE 13: On The Renaming Of Rules. "On Secret Ballots: Polls must be conducted as secret ballots, by selecting the 'Do not display voter identity' option on the 'Create Poll' page." PROPOSED 4th December 2002 by Rachel Dugdale. WITHDRAWN. "On The Withdrawal Of Proposals: Once officially proposed (that is, once made into a poll on the yahoogroups website), a proposal may not be withdrawn except on a point of order." PROPOSED 5th December 2002 by Jamie Johnston. FAILED: 3 for, 1 against. "On The Choices Offered: The proposer of a proposal shall, in creating the poll on that proposal, provide those voting on it with the option to vote 'Against'. Any vote cast for this option shall be considered a vote 'against said proposal' as specified in Rule 8: On Voting By Default. A vote for any other option shall not be so considered." PROPOSED 5th December 2002 by Jamie Johnston. PROPOSAL WAS AMENDED TO READ: "On The Choices Offered: The proposer of a proposal shall, in creating the poll on that proposal, provide those voting on it with an explicitly negative option (such as 'Against', 'No'). Any vote cast for this option shall be considered a vote 'against said proposal' as specified in Rule 8: On Voting By Default. A vote for any other option shall not be so considered." AMENDED 12th December 2002 by Jamie Johnston. PASSED: 4 for, 0 against. Now RULE 24: On The Choices Offered. "Proposal to amend 'Rule 4: On Use Of The Polling Feature' to read: The polling feature is to be used only for the proposal of rules, rule amendments, and procedural motions." PROPOSED 5th December 2002 by Rachel Dugdale. PASSED: 4 for, 0 against. THIS PROPOSAL AMENDED RULE 4: On Use Of The Polling Feature. "Proposal to amend 'Rule 9: On The Expulsion Of Players' to read: A player can be expelled from the game only by the successful passing of a procedural motion stating that the player is expelled." PROPOSED 5th December 2002 by Rachel Dugdale. PASSED: 4 for, 0 against. THIS PROPOSAL AMENDED RULE 9: On The Expulsion Of Players. "Proposal to amend 'Rule 15: Definition of Countries and Possession' to read: A country is a game entity that players may possess that corresponds to a country in the real world as of January 1, 2001. A player may gain possession of a country by proposing a procedural motion to that effect. If said proposal passes in accordance with the rules then in effect, the player gains possession of the country." PROPOSED 5th December 2002 by Rachel Dugdale. PASSED: 4 for, 0 against. THIS PROPOSAL AMENDED RULE 15: Definition of Countries and Possession. "On The Official List Of Rules: The official and authoritative list of the rules shall be that contained in the plain-text file named 'The Rules Thus Far', located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pure_Nomic /files/The%20Rules%20Thus%20Far. No rule shall be valid until it has been entered in this list. Any rule duly passed in the manner proscribed by the rules then in force shall be entered into this list as soon as possible, and numbered as the next in the numerical sequence." PROPOSED 6th December 2002 by Jamie Johnston. PASSED: 4 for, 0 against. Now RULE 21: On The Official List Of Rules. "Procedural Motion: The player known as Chris Goodwin shall be granted possession of the nation known as Australia." PROPOSED 6th December 2002 by Chris Goodwin. WITHDRAWN. "On The Breaking Of Rules: An official list of players shall be created, listing players in alphabetical order of family name. This list shall be updated whenever a player joins or leaves the game. The list shall be kept in the 'Files' section of the game's yahoogroups page. Also, an official list of the countries still available shall be created, kept in the same section and updated whenever a country becomes unavailable. When any player is found beyond reasonable doubt to have broken a rule, a player from the list of players shall be given possession of a country from the list of countries. The player to receive the country shall be, in the first case, the first on the list, and in the next case the next, continuing until the last and then returning to the first, except that at no time shall it be the player who broke the rule in question. The country given to that player shall be the first on the list of countries." PROPOSED 8th December 2002 by Jamie Johnston. WITHDRAWN. "On Fireflies: On Fireflies: Players shall give assistance to any firefly if said firefly requests assistance. "Coup d'etat: Canada"" PROPOSED 10th December 2002 by Jamie Johnston. PASSED: 1 for, 0 against. Now RULE 22: On Fireflies. "On Elephants: Players shall give assistance to any elephant if said elephant requests assistance. "Coup d'etat: Mexico"" PROPOSED 10th December 2002 by Jamie Johnston. PASSED: 1 for, 0 against. Now RULE 19: On Elephants. "On Rules and Procedure: Any game action taken in violation of a rule in effect at the time the action is taken shall be invalid." PROPOSED 11th December 2002 by Chris Goodwin. PASSED: 5 for, 0 against. Now RULE 23: On Rules And Procedure. "Proposal to amend Rule 2: Darth Vader to read: "The poll on each proposal shall close on the tenth day after its creation; except that if the proposal is amended before this time the poll shall close on the tenth day after the amendment. No proposal withdrawn before this time shall be considered passed."" PROPOSED 14th December 2002 by Jamie Johnston. PASSED: 5 for, 0 against. THIS PROPOSAL AMENDED RULE 2: Darth Vader. "Proposal to amend 'Rule 16: Pork-Barrel Rule' to read: When a rule is proposed, the proposer may include the name of a country as an element of the proposal. It must be included after the regular wording of the rule, and it must be exactly in the form of "Coup d'etat: ", where is the name of a country as defined in rule 15: Definition of Countries and Possession. If the proposal is passed and entered into the rules, the proposer is said to be in the possession of . In addition, when the rule is entered into the listing of "The Rules Thus Far," an addendum shall be made following the rule, declaring that " takes possession of on ," where is the proposer's preferred title, is the name of the country in question, and is the date that the rule is passed, specifying the day (as an ordinal number), month (as a word) and year." PROPOSED 14th December 2002 by Rachel Dugdale. FAILED: 4 for, 1 against. [Last updated 27th December 2002] [An HTML version of this archive is available at http://nomic.strategikon.org]