From Kevan Davis Wed Jun 17 09:31:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16701 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jun 1998 16:31:27 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 1998 16:31:27 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29026 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:29:50 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29023 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:29:46 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p25.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.25]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA04160 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:29:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:29:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806171629.RAA04160@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 7 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 6 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 10 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 7 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 1800 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | Bk || Embankment | Bk | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, Chocolate Bar | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Tottenham Court Road | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via:JL,MP,JL,CN,NT) [Courier Call] { Comments: LV increased to 10 from the sugar rush. ->Neasden ->Wembley Park ->Finchley Road ->Baker Street ->Bond Street ->Oxford Circus ->Tottenham Ct Rd ->Holborn ->Russell Square ->Kings Cross +2 Blue, +2 Red, +1 Black - Seven Interchanges +1 Silver - Five-Line Interchange -1 Black - Line Change (on Stockwell) Making a Courier Call, out of curiosity... } -- Kevan Davis - c94kd@d... - http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd - UIN:5998366 "She travels education class, reading poems on the Tube." -- My Life Story, "Angel" From Thu Jun 18 01:36:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14338 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 08:36:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 08:36:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA10053 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:35:02 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10032 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:34:56 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13574 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:34:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 08:34:53 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA06909; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:34:50 +0100 Message-Id: <199806180834.JAA06909@uks447> Date: 18 Jun 98 09:31:57 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Fwd: Registration MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_ORCL_24601151_0_0" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) --=_ORCL_24601151_0_0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Am I the only one to have had this message? I've never heard of this outfit before, so is it just speculative spam? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle --=_ORCL_24601151_0_0 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Date: 17 Jun 98 17:26:22 From:ekklesia@c... Sender:ekklesia@c... To:crescent@c... Subject:Registration Return-Path: Received:from mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA19545; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:42:11 +0100 Received:from uksn98.uk.oracle.com (uksn98.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.67]) by mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA05134 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:42:05 +0100 (BST) Received:from server8.aitcom.net ([208.234.0.9]) by uksn98.uk.oracle.com via smtpd (for ukaa04.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.99]) with SMTP; 17 Jun 1998 16:42:04 UT Received:from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by commslink.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21870 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:41:51 -0400 Received:from default (as001807.singnet.com.sg [165.21.207.197]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA27119 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:41:43 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id:<3.0.1.32.19980618002622.006f4f10@p...> X-Sender:riddles@p... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type:text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Mailing lsit expiring in 3 days. Please register. -------------------------- Invite you to visit www.commslink.com www.commslink.com/freehost/ www.commslink.com/webhost/ --=_ORCL_24601151_0_0-- From Richard Brockie Thu Jun 18 05:56:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5830 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 12:56:23 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 12:56:23 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24237 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:55:08 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [192.108.120.168]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24211 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:54:59 +0100 Received: from muckleroe.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:54:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:54:03 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 3 | 7 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | | Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 4 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 1400 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBk | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) { Comment: +1 Gold, token running, +1 Bk, same line, +1 Br, zone pass. Game time advanced, apologies for latish move, and I hope this gets through as our JANET connection appears to be down at the mo... } From Thu Jun 18 06:26:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1004 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 13:26:57 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 13:26:57 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA25911 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:24:18 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25905 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:24:12 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA13911 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:24:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 13:24:10 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA13382; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:24:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199806181324.OAA13382@uks447> Date: 18 Jun 98 14:22:21 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 18-Jun-98 13:54 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 2 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | | Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 4 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 1500 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBk | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] { Comment: Changing line at King's Cross, although since I never actually travel along the Metropolitan there isn't a route per se. Complaints will obviously draw a repost. In full: -1 Bk for the Line Change -1 Bk for the Straddle Game Time advanced. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Thu Jun 18 07:42:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9555 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 14:42:41 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 14:42:41 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA29921 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:41:25 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29876 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:41:10 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25002 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:47:58 GMT Received: from kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@k... [146.227.102.33]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id PAA14137 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:41:02 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id PAA17911 for l-nomic@f...; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:40:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806181440.PAA17911@k...> Subject: Re: MN: Fwd: Registration To: l-nomic@f... Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:40:57 BST In-Reply-To: <199806180834.JAA06909@uks447>; from "Dunx" at Jun 18, 98 9:31 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Am I the only one to have had this message? Well, I'd not got it. > I've never heard of this outfit before, so is it just speculative spam? Presumably; the "crescent@" address is a little sinister and puzzling, but that fact that I didn't get a copy hopefully shifts the blame from this mailing list. I worried, for a moment, that it was down to the fact that I registered this list with FindMail yesterday - the Web page I mentioned a while back as giving free mailing lists also has an "archive any mailing list" option, which I thought would be useful for Mornomic. For those who are interested (I'll add a link from the Mornomic page in a while), the archive can be found at:- http://www.findmail.com/list/l-nomic/ But still; I think Findmail is devoid of suspicion - if it does turn out to be the cougher of random tripe (for it had to join the mailing list to receive the messages, of course), I'll kick it off the list. Kevan -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "It's kind of functional. It's a kind of 'twinned with Felixstowe' kind of place." -- Eddie Izzard From Thu Jun 18 09:08:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17542 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 16:08:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 16:08:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA01779 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:07:50 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01776 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:07:46 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod125.interalpha.net [195.26.225.153]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA07472 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:10:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199806181610.RAA07472@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Game 4 Game State Document... Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:40:40 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > | Dunx | Finchley Central | 2 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | > | Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | > | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 0 | > | PaulWay | Oval | 4 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 | > | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 1 | > | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | > |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | nb John went inactive due to apathy so it will be Slakko's turn now. -Graeme. From Thu Jun 18 10:42:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3738 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 17:42:56 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 17:42:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA06324 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:41:55 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06321 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:41:51 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod102.interalpha.net [195.26.225.130]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA11167 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:45:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199806181745.SAA11167@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Re: Game 4 Game State Document... Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:40:25 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > nb John went inactive due to apathy so it will be Slakko's turn now. "Jon", I mean. Do excuse me. -Graeme. From Thu Jun 18 11:35:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23114 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 18:35:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 18:35:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA09154 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:34:21 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA09150 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:34:18 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0ymjVo-0003tS-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:34:17 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 18 Jun 98 19:08:59 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 18 Jun 98 19:08:51 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:08:41 BST0GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: MN: Game 7 - BzZzZzZzZzZzT! In-reply-to: <199806171629.RAA04160@c...> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <18C8C69F77D3@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ > | Courier Call... Stockwell to Tottenham Court Road | > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Courier stations must be outside Zone 1: which, I believe rules out Tottenham Court Road... though it's in no Quadrant, it is certainly in Zone 1. Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Thu Jun 18 15:19:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29325 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 22:19:56 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 22:19:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA20762 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:18:41 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20717 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:18:27 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id IAA02547; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:18:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma002512; Fri, 19 Jun 98 08:18:03 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:18:02 +1000 Message-ID: <80AD0BCF38A7D111A1F70000C0BFEFE308E353@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Fwd: Registration Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:39:07 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Thursday, June 18, 1998 6:32 PM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > I've never heard of this outfit before, so is it just speculative spam? I haven't got it. I'd say it's a fairly typical scam designed to convince idiots to move over to MumbleCo's server. Keeping in mind that they can often offer free service because they tag advertising onto the lists and so forth, then it doesn't sound like a good idea to me. If you ever need a site to run the list, I can run small lists off my server here. It's sort of clandestine (it's running on our section server rather than our main list server, which everyone's hopefully forgotten about), but it works. Kev, what's the situation with Foobar again? Can we continue there? Lots of jelly-beans, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Kevan Davis Fri Jun 19 04:31:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31923 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jun 1998 11:31:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 11:31:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24418 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:27:51 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24414 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:27:46 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25360 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:34:37 GMT Received: from larch.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@l... [146.227.102.18]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id MAA03606 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:27:34 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by larch.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id MAA14842 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:27:30 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806191127.MAA14842@l...> Subject: Re: MN: RE: Fwd: Registration To: l-nomic@f... Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:27:28 BST In-Reply-To: <80AD0BCF38A7D111A1F70000C0BFEFE308E353@PIBCRMEXH001>; from "Wayper, Paul" at Jun 19, 98 7:39 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > If you ever need a site to run the list, I can run small lists off my > server here. It's sort of clandestine (it's running on our section > server rather than our main list server, which everyone's hopefully > forgotten about), but it works. Kev, what's the situation with Foobar > again? Can we continue there? Well, as I've said, I'm no longer in touch with the chap who let us have the list, so the thing could feasibly fall over or be removed at any moment. I need to look into changing the listowner address, as well, from my university address (which dies a quiet death in early July) to my home-access address; hopefully I can do that without having to ask Foobar nicely, but if such is required then things could be difficult. I'd be more comfortable if we had a list running elsewhere, I think; the possible instability of Foobar is a bit of a Sword of Damocles, and I'd rather be sitting somewhere else, given the choice. Kevan -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "Don't rewrite the books, just rewrite the title." -- My Life Story, "April 1st" From Kevan Davis Fri Jun 19 04:33:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32503 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jun 1998 11:33:19 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 11:33:19 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24751 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:32:34 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24747 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:32:28 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25576 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:39:20 GMT Received: from larch.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@l... [146.227.102.18]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id MAA03971 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:32:24 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by larch.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id MAA14862 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:32:20 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806191132.MAA14862@l...> Subject: MN: Game 7 Game State Document To: l-nomic@f... Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:32:17 BST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 6 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 10 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 7 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 1800 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | Bk || Embankment | Bk | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, Chocolate Bar | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Shadwell | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via:JL,MP,JL,CN,NT) [Courier Call] { Comments: LV increased to 10 from the sugar rush. ->Neasden ->Wembley Park ->Finchley Road ->Baker Street ->Bond Street ->Oxford Circus ->Tottenham Ct Rd ->Holborn ->Russell Square ->Kings Cross +2 Blue, +2 Red, +1 Black - Seven Interchanges +1 Silver - Five-Line Interchange -1 Black - Line Change (on Stockwell) Phoning back and changing the Courier Call. Sorry about that, I forgot the Zone 1 restriction. } -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "I tried to surprise you, I crept up behind you with a homeless chihuahua." -- Morrissey, "King Leer" From Fri Jun 19 06:40:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2084 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jun 1998 13:40:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 13:40:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA30924 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:38:58 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA30921 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:38:54 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA22211 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:36:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 13:36:01 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA28556; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:36:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199806191336.OAA28556@uks447> Date: 19 Jun 98 14:34:02 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: RE: Fwd: Registration X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 19-Jun-98 13:27 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Well, since the Wildly Panted One has registered a Findmail list we can see how that goes, spam-wise. The Findmail server certainly seems like a nice enough place. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Fri Jun 19 07:55:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31135 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jun 1998 14:55:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 14:55:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01867 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:53:42 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA01860 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:53:35 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yn2Xl-0003By-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:53:33 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 19 Jun 98 15:28:30 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 19 Jun 98 15:28:19 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:28:12 BST0GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: MN: Re: Registration In-reply-to: <199806191127.MAA14842@l...> References: <80AD0BCF38A7D111A1F70000C0BFEFE308E353@PIBCRMEXH001>; from "Wayper, Paul" at Jun 19, 98 7:39 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <18DD1A5026D3@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Well, as I've said, I'm no longer in touch with the chap who let us > have the list, so the thing could feasibly fall over or be removed at > any moment: the possible instability of Foobar is a bit of a Sword > of Damocles and I'd rather be sitting somewhere else, given the > choice. Erm, have I heard this somewhere before? A website where the person who let us on to the server is no longer around, for whatever reason, and the whole thing could go *vom* at any moment... Shades of Delphi, perhaps? Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Fri Jun 19 08:16:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23075 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jun 1998 15:15:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 15:15:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA03161 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:15:07 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03132 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:15:00 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07415 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:14:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 15:14:58 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA10655; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:14:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199806191514.QAA10655@uks447> Date: 19 Jun 98 16:08:53 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Re: Registration X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 19-Jun-98 16:28 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Erm, have I heard this somewhere before? A website where the >person who let us on to the server is no longer around, for whatever >reason, and the whole thing could go *vom* at any moment... Shades of >Delphi, perhaps? So, this is new media... There are definite parallels, but then again the server and admin overhead for a mailing list is fairly slight so the piscines are in a varying situation, kettle-wise (as opposed to the content of a mailing list, which can impose a swingeing adminstrative overhead). After all, if worst comes to worst, we could probably run it all from personal mailing lists anyway. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Duncan Richer Sat Jun 20 14:46:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31824 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jun 1998 21:46:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 1998 21:46:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA21326 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:39:55 +0100 Received: from violet.csi.cam.ac.uk (violet.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.58]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21323 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:39:45 +0100 Received: from dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.151]) by violet.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for l-nomic@f... id 0ynVMN-00069g-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:39:43 +0100 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:43:02 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Richer To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document Message-ID: X-X-Sender: dcr24@i... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 2 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 4 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 1600 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBk | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] { Comment: +1 Bk same line +1 Br valid move in card area Game Time Advanced } From Mon Jun 22 07:03:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11859 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jun 1998 14:03:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 14:03:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01585 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:02:10 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA01579 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:02:03 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yo7AU-00026z-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:01:59 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jun 98 14:37:44 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jun 98 14:37:31 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:36:30 BST0GMT Subject: Re: MN: Game 7 Game State Document X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <192443975B1E@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 0 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 0 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 7 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 1900 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | BkBk || Embankment | BkRe | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Shadwell | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shunting Kevan to Mill Hill East (NT)] {Comments: LV increased to 10 from the Chocolate Bar ->Neasden ->Wembley Park ->Finchley Road ->Baker Street ->Bond Street ->Oxford Circus ->Tottenham Ct Rd ->Holborn ->Russell Square ->Kings Cross +2 Blue, +2 Red, +1 Black - Seven Interchanges +1 Silver - Five-Line Interchange -1 Black - Line Change (on Stockwell) -1 Red - Shunt (on Embankment) +1 Silver - nicked from Kevan during the Shunt +1 Bronze - having Zone 1 Pass Well, that's always the danger of breaking a DH loop by any move except Home, Wild or Pass... Maximum LV increase next turn is 2 for both players. I considered letting you pick up the Parcel and shunting you afterwards, but decided against it. } Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Mon Jun 22 07:24:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28495 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jun 1998 14:23:59 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 14:23:59 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02534 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:23:18 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02527 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:23:12 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA17927 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:23:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 14:23:10 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA00665; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:23:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199806221423.PAA00665@uks447> Date: 22 Jun 98 15:21:44 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 7 - An Observation X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 22-Jun-98 15:03 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) The last two moves were: > Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St > Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] > Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St > Pancras (VC via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shunting Kevan to > Mill Hill East (NT)] Er... I don't think you needed to play a Dollis Escape Action, Jonathan - Kevan had already broken the loop. Not that that matters a great deal in the grand scheme of things, it was just an observation from an interested party. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Mon Jun 22 07:33:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30888 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jun 1998 14:33:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 14:33:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02997 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:32:29 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA02990 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:32:24 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yo7du-0003rT-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:32:23 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jun 98 15:08:08 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jun 98 15:07:33 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:04:58 BST0GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: MN: Game 7 - An Observation In-reply-to: <199806221423.PAA00665@uks447> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <1924C3C179D2@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Er... I don't think you needed to play a Dollis Escape Action, Jonathan - > Kevan had already broken the loop. > > Not that that matters a great deal in the grand scheme of things, it was > just an observation from an interested party. Whoops. Silly me. In that case, I've got time to collect a Hat. I'll revise it accordingly. Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Mon Jun 22 07:34:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31215 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jun 1998 14:34:37 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 14:34:37 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03015 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:32:55 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA03010 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:32:51 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yo7eI-0003ty-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:32:46 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jun 98 15:08:32 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jun 98 15:08:22 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:08:08 BST0GMT Subject: Re: MN: Game 7 Game State Document X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <1924C73A15C1@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 0 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 0 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 7 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 1900 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | BkBk || Embankment | BkRe | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, Hat (O) | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Shadwell | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shunting Kevan to Mill Hill East (NT)] [Collecting Hat] {Comments: LV increased to 10 from the Chocolate Bar ->Neasden ->Wembley Park ->Finchley Road ->Baker Street ->Bond Street ->Oxford Circus ->Tottenham Ct Rd ->Holborn ->Russell Square ->Kings Cross +2 Blue, +2 Red, +1 Black - Seven Interchanges +1 Silver - Five-Line Interchange -1 Black - Line Change (on Stockwell) -1 Red - Shunt (on Embankment) +1 Silver - nicked from Kevan during the Shunt +1 Bronze - having Zone 1 Pass Overground Hat Well, that's always the danger of breaking a DH loop by any move except Home, Wild or Pass... Maximum LV increase next turn is 2 for both players. I considered letting you pick up the Parcel and shunting you afterwards, but decided against it. } Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis Jonathan L. Ellis From Tue Jun 23 00:25:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5605 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jun 1998 07:25:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 07:25:04 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA19450 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:23:31 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19447 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:23:20 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id RAA17937; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:23:06 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma017915; Tue, 23 Jun 98 17:22:41 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:22:41 +1000 Message-ID: <80AD0BCF38A7D111A1F70000C0BFEFE308E358@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 4 Game State Document Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:22:39 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 2 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 1700 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] {Comments: AFAICS Dunx is no longer at Camden Town to be shunted - not that I really wanted to... honest. Also, not going through MC - moving from Euston to CamT as one move as per the right-hand-side of the Northern at Euston. This too should be OK, AFAICS. 10mins LV+3 10mins Move 10mins Suspect Package 5mins Token Claim 5mins Gambit Declare +1 Br (Zone 2 pass) +1 Br (Camden Town) +1 Bk (Same line) +1 Si (Five interchanges) -2 Rd (on Dollis Hill) (for Package) -1 Go, -3 Br (Official Cost of Gambit - NB) (all on Borough) Time has flown up to the next hour. Thank you for waiting... :-) } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Tue Jun 23 05:26:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12663 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jun 1998 12:26:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 12:26:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01281 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:24:32 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01278 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:24:27 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yoS7a-0001oH-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:24:22 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 23 Jun 98 13:00:23 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 23 Jun 98 13:00:17 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:00:15 BST0GMT Subject: MN: Game 7 Game State Document - revised again X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <193AA5576619@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 0 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 1 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 0 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 7 | 1 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 1900 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | BkBk || Embankment | Bk | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, Hat (O) | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Shadwell | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Hat] {Comments: LV increased to 10 from the Chocolate Bar ->Neasden ->Wembley Park ->Finchley Road ->Baker Street ->Bond Street ->Oxford Circus ->Tottenham Ct Rd ->Holborn ->Russell Square ->Kings Cross +2 Blue, +2 Red, +1 Black - Seven Interchanges +1 Silver - Five-Line Interchange -1 Black - Line Change (on Stockwell) +1 Bronze - having Zone 1 Pass +1 Red - Shadowing Overground Hat Just realised I can't shunt Kevan from a Holy Station... I tried to get the Shunt in before the addition of Crosses to Holy Stations and forgot that Kings Cross was also SAINT Pancras... } Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Kevan Davis Tue Jun 23 05:30:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15996 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jun 1998 12:30:01 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 12:30:01 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01690 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:29:26 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01685 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:29:21 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07753 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:36:14 GMT Received: from kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@k... [146.227.102.33]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id NAA12448 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:29:17 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id NAA07311 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:29:12 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806231229.NAA07311@k...> Subject: MN: Game 7 Buzz To: l-nomic@f... Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:29:12 BST In-Reply-To: <1924C73A15C1@f...>; from "Jonathan L. Ellis" at Jun 22, 98 3:08 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St > Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] > Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC > via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shunting Kevan to Mill Hill East > (NT)] [Collecting Hat] Sanctuary! Sanctuary! Kings Cross is about the Holiest Station on the Map, I'm afraid. Shunt not, sir. Kevan -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "I planted some bird seed. A bird came up. Now I don't know what to feed it." -- Steven Wright From Kevan Davis Tue Jun 23 05:32:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18071 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jun 1998 12:32:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 12:32:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01777 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:31:32 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01773 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:31:26 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07802 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:38:19 GMT Received: from kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@k... [146.227.102.33]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id NAA12740 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:31:21 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id NAA07330 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:31:15 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806231231.NAA07330@k...> Subject: Re: MN: Game 7 Buzz To: l-nomic@f... Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:31:14 BST In-Reply-To: <199806231229.NAA07311@k...>; from "Kevan Davis" at Jun 23, 98 1:29 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > > > Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St > > Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] > > Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC > > via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shunting Kevan to Mill Hill East > > (NT)] [Collecting Hat] > > Sanctuary! Sanctuary! Kings Cross is about the Holiest Station on the > Map, I'm afraid. Shunt not, sir. I withdraw the Buzz, Jonathan having obviously spotted his oversight at the very moment I did. Tish. Kevan -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "REMIND ME AGAIN, he said, HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE." -- Death, "Small Gods (Pratchett)" From Kevan Davis Tue Jun 23 05:43:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23859 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jun 1998 12:43:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 12:43:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02293 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:42:53 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02290 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:42:48 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08322 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:49:41 GMT Received: from kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@k... [146.227.102.33]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id NAA13807 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:42:44 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id NAA07406 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:42:38 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806231242.NAA07406@k...> Subject: MN: Week Extension To: l-nomic@f... Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:42:36 BST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just to inform that I'm extending the Week-End until 11:59am on Thursday of this week - many vital files still rest on Julie's PC, and I'll have to FTP them to my university account when I see her tonight, before I can turn eyes to the stuff of the Tuesday Desk. Sorry I couldn't say sooner, but I've been away from any semblance of access for a while. Kevan -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "This is not a sin. It's not even original." -- The Divine Comedy, "In & Out of Paris & London" From Tue Jun 23 11:49:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20642 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jun 1998 18:49:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 18:49:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21172 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:48:14 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21165 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:47:59 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod106.interalpha.net [195.26.225.134]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA28419 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:52:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199806231852.TAA28419@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: RE: Game 4 Game State Document Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:48:27 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 2 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 3 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 1800 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T,V), Chocolate Bar | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] {Comments: Nearly jumped out of my skin when I saw the opening Times of Turnham Green -- then, finally realised this only applied to the Piccadilly. Verdant is The Hat. 10 mins: [LV+1] 10 mins: [Token Run] 10 mins: Move 10 mins: [Purchasing] +1 Go: [Token Run]... I suddenly feel vulnerable... +1 Br: Station on Zone 2/3 boundary. +1 Bk: Same line. -1 Br: [Purchasing] - discarded. Sundry: +1 Hat, +1 Bar. Game Time advanced. } From Kevan Davis Wed Jun 24 03:43:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 501 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1998 10:43:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 10:43:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00313 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:41:55 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00310 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:41:49 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p16.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.16]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17432 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:41:44 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:41:44 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806241041.LAA17432@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 7 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 10 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 1 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 8 | 7 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 2 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 2000 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | BkBkBr || Embankment | Bk | | Monument | ReReRe || | | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, Hat (O) | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass, Parcel | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Shadwell | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV-1] Stockwell (VC) [Bronze Token on Stockwell] [Collecting Parcel] [Fire at Pimlico] [Blocking Oval] { Comments: (Correcting both LVs from zero to ten, since that Shunt didn't actually take place...) Ludicrum tempus fugit. LV falls to 8 as the chocolate leaves my system. (This might be worth implementing as a compulsory '[LV-X]' Action in addition to the normal one, I suspect, taking the '[Eating...]' Action down to ten minutes to make up for it. Or just put the LV drop at the end of the Eating Turn, I suppose...) +1 Black for a same-Liner +1 Red for a two-Liner +1 Silver for passing Five Interchanges +1 Bronze for a Valid Move -1 Bronze for the Dropping -2 Red for the Fire (on Monument) -1 Red for the Block (on Monument) Do your worst, Ellis. } -- Kevan Davis - c94kd@d... - http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd - UIN:5998366 "We didn't have any of these sissy 'icons' and 'windows'. All we had were zeroes and ones. And sometimes we didn't even have ones." -- Dilbert From Kevan Davis Wed Jun 24 03:43:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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(Mornington Nomic) From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Week Extension Vagueness Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just a note to tell you not to hold your collective breaths for any Week-End stuff today - the crucial Mornomic files lay scattered between my university account and the Nottingham-based PC I sit typing at now; thanks to De Montfort's policy on such things, I can't dial in and fetch the necessary emails - unless I can get hold of my housemates and persuade them to trudge in and forward the necessary, the Week-End stuff won't be ready until the morrow. Sorry about this; the past week or so has been rather haphazard and disorganised, and it's taken a bit of a toll on my Speakerdom. Bear with me. Kevan -- Kevan Davis - c94kd@d... - http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd - UIN:5998366 "Ain't got a plan on paper, of a daring little caper; you know I wouldn't want to wet your eyes." -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "I'm Not Even Going To Try" From Wed Jun 24 03:49:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2892 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1998 10:49:41 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 10:49:41 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00682 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:49:09 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00679 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:49:06 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA19069 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:49:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 10:49:04 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA13417; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:49:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199806241049.LAA13417@uks447> Date: 24 Jun 98 11:47:42 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 7 - Humorous Surname Confusion X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 24-Jun-98 11:41 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Kevan wrote: > Do your worst, Ellis. ... and I thought "But I'm not playing in this game!" Then I remembered. Ho hum. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Wed Jun 24 08:54:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7398 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1998 15:54:45 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 15:54:45 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15760 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:53:21 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [192.108.120.168]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15757 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:53:12 +0100 Received: from muckleroe.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:53:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:53:02 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 2 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 3 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 1900 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T,V), Chocolate Bar | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) { Comments: -1 Bk for changing lines, +1 Bk for passing through 3 interchanges, +1 Br for zone pass, er, that's it... and Game Time advanced. } --- miKi From Wed Jun 24 11:07:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21681 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1998 18:07:22 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 18:07:22 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23104 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:05:31 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23098 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:05:20 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA14549 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:05:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 18:05:17 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA16873; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:05:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199806241805.TAA16873@uks447> Date: 24 Jun 98 15:11:30 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Bifurcation MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I've been thinking about putting forward a Special Ruleset Proposal to allow Bifurcation, which I'm sure you would agree is a pretty important part of the MC culture. I just wanted to float these ideas past people to see how sea-worthy they are, and also to ask for suggestions on a thorny problem that might sink the whole thing. As an example (and unnecessary reminder), a typical bifurcated move in York-style MC is - Dunx: Victoria / Vauxhall The usual style of play requires that if one player bifurcates, then all others must follow suit. Furthermore, in order to win then both parts of the bifurcation must reach MC. Things that can happen to bifurcations include being created, being unified (ie collapsing a bifurcation back to a single thread), and having its degree increased (what might generically be termed n-furcation). Trifurcation, quadrifurcation, and even higher degrees have been achieved. So - how should this apply to Mornington Nomic? My thinking is that there should be two varieties of Bifurcation: of Piece, and of Game. I'll look at each of these in turn, starting with the easiest first. Piece Bifurcation (which I shall term Duplication from here on) is a way for the Player to gain another Piece on the board. The new Piece would spring into existence at the point at which the Duplication took place and would henceforth be independent. Each of the pieces would get a Move and would be identified by an index number suffix on the Player's name. The Pieces would Move in the order of their index numbers, but would both move on the same map. So, for instance if I were to play a Duplication - Dunx-1 : Victoria (VC) [Duplicate] Dunx-2 : [LV+2] Vauxhall (VC) ... Dunx-1 : Oxford Circus (VC) Dunx-2 : [LV+1] Kennington (NT via VC) My thinking was that these Pieces would share Possessions, since they are really attributes of the Player rather than of the Piece, but that the Line Velocities would be independent. This brings up the thorny problem - there is currently only on LV value in the GSD per Player. I will address this further later. The advantages for a Player are that there are now two Pieces to gather token bonuses and the two could be a powerful attacking formation. The downside is that there are two Pieces paying Token costs! In order for a Player to win, e would have to get both of eir Pieces to MC, for instance. Similarly, there are multiple targets for Possession theft. Unifying a Duplication would be simple - just ensure that both Pieces to be rejoined are in the same place and, perhaps, have the same LV. As effectively an attacking Action, Duplication should have a Token cost associated with it (two Silvers?). Game Bifurcation would be handled in a similar way, except that all Players would gain an extra Piece and that extra Piece would be on a separate copy of the map. For the sake of sanity, I would suggest that Wild Stations, Knip, and Bridges are kept common though. The notation for Game Bifurcation should be similar to but not incompatible with that for Piece Duplication. My thinking was an ID letter prefix: A-Dunx : Victoria (VC) [Bifurcate] B-Dunx : [LV+2] Vauxhall (VC) ... A-Dunx : Oxford Circus (VC) B-Dunx : [LV+1] Kennington (NT via VC) As with Duplication, Possessions should be shared with LV being independent. Triggering Bifurcation should, I think, be based more on a set of conditions than a Token cost eg travelling clockwise on the Circle with an LV in excess of 8. Unifying Bifurcation is less obvious than Duplication - I would have thought that one branch could say it wished to absorb or eliminate another. For a Bifurcated Game, once again both branches would need be won to win the whole Game - each Move to MC would close off that branch. This would effectively constitute a voluntary unification. You may gather from my choice of compatible notations that I think you should be able to combine these. Also note that there isn't anything to stop you logically from Duplicating or Bifurcating multiple times... Does this make any sense? I'm kean on this idea because it is conceptually very simple, but could work in combination with itself to make things jolly interesting. As I say, the LV independence issue is a real problem. The only thing I've managed to come up with is to try moving the LV value when a bifurcation effect is active, and to mark the token table with a blanking placeholder. For instance: B-Dunx (2) : [LV+2] Vauxhall (VC) ... but that isn't very pretty at all. Any thoughts? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Wed Jun 24 11:43:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22969 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1998 18:43:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 18:43:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA24949 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:42:10 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24945 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:42:01 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0youUT-00017I-00; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:41:54 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 24 Jun 98 19:18:15 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 24 Jun 98 19:18:01 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:17:52 BST0GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: MN: Bifurcation In-reply-to: <199806241805.TAA16873@uks447> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <1958F1E80043@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > My thinking is that there should be two varieties of Bifurcation: of Piece, > and of Game. I'll look at each of these in turn, starting with the easiest > first. > > Piece Bifurcation (which I shall term Duplication from here > on) is a way for the Player to gain another Piece on the board. The new > Piece would spring into existence at the point at which the Duplication > took place and would henceforth be independent. I'm not sure about this bit. After all, it's easier to gain Tokens than to lose them, and allowing one Player to Bifurcate without other Players doing so strikes me as getting an unfair advantage. Especially if the Bifurcated Player had control of the Drone as well - three pieces going around collecting Tokens. This is IMHO a bit much. Bringing in bifurcation is a good idea, though, and I like this bit about Game Bifurcation better... > Game Bifurcation would be handled in a similar way, except that all > Players would gain an extra Piece and that extra Piece would be on a > separate copy of the map. For the sake of sanity, I would suggest that > Wild Stations, Knip, and Bridges are kept common though. *snip* Great idea. I'd vote for that if I was going to be around to do so, which I'm not... I'd also suggest that all strands of a Bifurcation must take place within the single hour that a Player has to make eir Move (or two hours, if a Blue Token is paid, etc.) Strand A and Strand B, therefore, can only take up one hour between them... > Unifying Bifurcation is less obvious than Duplication - I would have > thought that one branch could say it wished to absorb or eliminate > another. My suggestion is this: Any Player may unify the Bifurcation with the Action [Unifying Threads and ] (with no cost) by playing a Move which brings both eir Pieces together at the same Station, on the same Line, with the same Line Velocity and Line Direction. If the Game is or was Bifurcated, and another Active Player's last move included [Unifying Threads and ] (where X and Y are threads of a Bifurcation, Trifurcation or greater number of split threads), then the Player whose Turn it is to Move must move eir Pieces from both relevant Threads to the same location and Line on that Move: if both Threads cannot achieve the same LV, then the lower value is used for that Player's next Turn. If it is not possible for the Player to move both eir relevant Pieces to the same location on one move after a Reunifying move has been played, that Player must pay 2 Silver Tokens and play a move of [Home] in both threads, reunifying at the Home Station with an LV of zero. If e does not have enough Tokens to pay the penalty, e must pay them as soon as e can, splitting [Gold to Silver] if necessary. {Comments: A forced unification, therefore, has both branches using a 30-minute Action, and therefore no other Actions permitted as it takes up the full hour... meanwhile, the "natural" unification, where both threads *can* move to the same Station and Line, pays no penalty.} > For a Bifurcated Game, once again both branches would need be won to win > the whole Game - each Move to MC would close off that branch. This would > effectively constitute a voluntary unification. I'd still suggest that a Bifurcated Player may not move to MC unless all threads can do so on a single Turn, each separately paying the Token cost of entering MC. > You may gather from my choice of compatible notations that I think you > should be able to combine these. Also note that there isn't anything > to stop you logically from Duplicating or Bifurcating multiple times... > > Does this make any sense? I'm kean on this idea because it is conceptually > very simple, but could work in combination with itself to make things jolly > interesting. Duplication I'm not keen on. I had some trouble in one of the challenge matches with an opponent who thought he could stay bifurcated while I was in a single thread... It's too unbalancing IMHO. > As I say, the LV independence issue is a real problem. The only thing I've > managed to come up with is to try moving the LV value when a bifurcation > effect is active, and to mark the token table with a blanking placeholder. > For instance: > B-Dunx (2) : [LV+2] Vauxhall (VC) > Any thoughts? Treat the two threads as separate Players (i.e. change the "Dunx" Player line to "A-Dunx" and a separate line underneath for "B-Dunx" - the Token totals being kept only in the A-Dunx line, but being altered for any relevant move by any of the Dunxes, or any Shunt of any Dunx by another Player. Then both halves can have independent LVs, but share Tokens and a Home. And both have to move within the hour allowed for one Player Move... An A-[Player] may only Shunt or Shadow another A-[Player], not a B-[Player], and vice versa - but the Token Stacks, Knip, Bridges, Wild and any other Game States should be common to both, for ease of calculation and retention of sanity. Just my couple of suggestions... Jonathan Ellis. Jonathan L. Ellis From Wed Jun 24 11:45:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24146 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1998 18:45:25 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 18:45:25 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA24990 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:43:31 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24979 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:43:22 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA18998 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:43:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 18:43:19 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA19580; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:43:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199806241843.TAA19580@uks447> Date: 24 Jun 98 17:22:31 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 24-Jun-98 16:53 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 3 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 3 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 2000 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T,V), Chocolate Bar | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) { Comment: Only interesting thing about this Move is that I'm outside the bounds of my Zone Pass now, so I don't get a Bronze :-( +1 Bk (same Line) Game Time advanced } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Wed Jun 24 13:58:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2348 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1998 20:58:47 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 20:58:47 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA31925 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:56:36 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA31922 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:56:29 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod128.interalpha.net [195.26.225.156]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id WAA10747 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:01:14 +0100 Message-Id: <199806242101.WAA10747@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: Re: MN: Bifurcation Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:36:51 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > > Piece Bifurcation (which I shall term Duplication from here > > on) is a way for the Player to gain another Piece on the board. The new > > Piece would spring into existence at the point at which the Duplication > > took place and would henceforth be independent. > > I'm not sure about this bit. After all, it's easier to gain Tokens > than to lose them, and allowing one Player to Bifurcate without other > Players doing so strikes me as getting an unfair advantage. > Especially if the Bifurcated Player had control of the Drone as well > - three pieces going around collecting Tokens. This is IMHO a bit > much. Bringing in bifurcation is a good idea, though, and I like this > bit about Game Bifurcation better... I definitely don't like single-piece bifurcation - not even on York, where it generally seems careless. As you remark, single-piece bifurcations make token-acquisition far too easy. > > *snip* > Great idea. I'd vote for that if I was going to be around to do so, > which I'm not... I'd also suggest that all strands of a Bifurcation > must take place within the single hour that a Player has to make eir > Move (or two hours, if a Blue Token is paid, etc.) Strand A and > Strand B, therefore, can only take up one hour between them... Hhm... Buying more time could become expensive -- though who ever said Bifurcations were cheap? Still, it could lead to a blue token drought as they're not hugely easy to come by. > My suggestion is this: > Any Player may unify the Bifurcation with the Action [Unifying > Threads and ] (with no cost) by playing a Move which brings > both eir Pieces together at the same Station, on the same Line, with > the same Line Velocity and Line Direction. It's not going to happen very quickly. Who is going to want to go to all the hassle of setting such a situation up? > If the Game is or was Bifurcated, and another Active Player's > last move included [Unifying Threads and ] (where X and Y are > threads of a Bifurcation, Trifurcation or greater number of split > threads), then the Player whose Turn it is to Move must move eir > Pieces from both relevant Threads to the same location and Line on > that Move: if both Threads cannot achieve the same LV, then the lower > value is used for that Player's next Turn. Untidy, and confusing. As you can guess, I don't really like these ideas. Something a little simpler is required I feel. > I'd still suggest that a Bifurcated Player may not move to MC unless > all threads can do so on a single Turn, each separately paying the > Token cost of entering MC. Yes, that closest mirrors what I feel occurs on York. > Duplication I'm not keen on. I had some trouble in one of the > challenge matches with an opponent who thought he could stay > bifurcated while I was in a single thread... It's too unbalancing > IMHO. Agreed. And duplicating under bifurcations is going to become unpleasant. > Treat the two threads as separate Players (i.e. change the "Dunx" > Player line to "A-Dunx" and a separate line underneath for "B-Dunx" - > the Token totals being kept only in the A-Dunx line, but being > altered for any relevant move by any of the Dunxes, or any Shunt of > any Dunx by another Player. Then both halves can have independent > LVs, but share Tokens and a Home. And both have to move within the > hour allowed for one Player Move... Um, maybe. Although I dislike the idea of messing with the Token Table too much. I can only suggest: +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Rushton | Ongar | 3 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |B-Rushton | | | | | | | | | | Cryer | Knightsbridge | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |B-Cryer | | | | | | | | | | BrookeT | Chalfont & Latimer | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | |B-BrookeT | | | | | | | | | | Garden | Harrow-on-the-Hill | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | |B-Garden | | | | | | | | | | *Drone | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |*B-Drone | | | | | | | | | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ and that raises the problems of Drone ownership (Could Rushton claim Drone, Cryer Bifurcate, then B-Cryer claim B-Drone? If so, who has what when things unify?). Even with all this in mind, I feel Bifurcations would be well worth including in the ruleset; after all, we are playing the game to test the rules, so it may be worth bringing in rules which require hard testing... :) ...) Miaow, -Graeme. From Wed Jun 24 19:05:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22377 invoked by uid 7770); 2