[leg-nomic] RE:

From dmarsh3000@h... Fri Jun 01 10:03:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dmarsh3000@h... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 1 Jun 2001 17:03:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 5674 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2001 17:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2001 17:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.95.145) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2001 17:03:02 -0000 Received: from c1360097a ([65.7.162.112]) by femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010601170302.CPJI13259.femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c...> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:03:02 -0700 To: "Legislative Nomic" Subject: Welcome to Legislative Nomic Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:03:35 -0400 Message-ID: <008401c0eabc$cbe975c0$70a20741@g...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01C0EA9B.44D7D5C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-eGroups-From: "Dan Marsh" From: "Dan Marsh" ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C0EA9B.44D7D5C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0086_01C0EA9B.44D7D5C0" ------=_NextPart_001_0086_01C0EA9B.44D7D5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=92ve talked for a couple of weeks about Legislative Nomic, to a number of people. Now that www.nomic.net is back up, it is possible to troll for players there. Although I can still be persuaded to change the initial set, I=92ll consider the game officially started once there are at least four MPs. Of course, I=92d like many, many more, so if you have suggestions for where to find players, I=92m especially interested in hearing about it. I=92ve got the Legislative Nomic web page (for now), at members.home.com/dmarsh3000/Legislative_Nomic.htm (that=92s Legislative[underscore]Nomic). I have no objection, of course, to volunteer archivists setting up parallel pages, since the rules give no precedence to mine. Once again, welcome to Legislative Nomic! =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0086_01C0EA9B.44D7D5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=92ve talked for a couple of weeks about Legislative Nomic, to a number of people. Now that www.nomic.net is back up, it is possible to troll for players there.

Although I can still be persuaded to cha= nge the initial set, I=92ll consider the game officially started once there are at least four MPs. Of course,= I=92d like many, many more, so if you have suggestions for where to find players,= I=92m especially interested in hearing about it.

I=92ve got the Legislative Nomic web page (for now), at members.h= ome.com/dmarsh3000/Legislative_Nomic.htm (that=92s Legislative[underscore]Nomic). I have no objection, of course, to volunteer archivists setting up parallel pages, since the rules give no precedence to mine.

Once again, welcome to Legislative Nomic= !

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Oddly, although I don=92t consider the game as started, I find myself following the rules.

Under Statute 2.2,= =93A human person who wishes to be seated in Parliament shall communicate his de= sire to The King.=94 I think I can interpret the nature of such communication fairly liberally. So, this message serves to =93publ= [ish] to all players a statement to that effect,=94 that is, that =93mittnox=94 and =93sallyvacuum=94 are seated in Parliament.

As in the previous message, I will consider the game started, and accept bills to place on Parliament=92s Agenda, once there are four MPs. In the meantime, if any = seated MP wishes to change his =93player name,=94 let me know.

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-----Original Message----- From: Henry Towsner [mailto:htowsner@s...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 <= /font>4:03 PM
To: leg-nomic@y...= m
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I would like to b= ecome an MP.

Incidentally,= this looks quite interesting. It meshes with a
number of ideas I have toyed with over the y= ears, so I'm really
looking forward to it. Plus I'm out of school in two weeks, so I should have some time to devote to it.

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Welcome, you may be seated. J You were a player in = the early days of Ackanomic, yes? Your name is very familiar to me a= s a player (as opposed to as a member of the Nomic community), and I don=92t remember that you were a player of any of the small no= mics I=92ve participated in, since I left Acka at about Proposal 900.

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I=92ve picked up a player or two from www.nomic.net , so far, but does anyone = have any ideas for recruiting from other sources?=A0 Particularly the legal or political commuities?

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Fri Jun 01 13:20:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mittnox@y... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 1 Jun 2001 20:20:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 45981 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2001 20:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Jun 2001 20:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2001 20:20:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mittnox@y... Received: from [10.1.10.65] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2001 20:20:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 20:20:50 -0000 To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Seated in Parliament Message-ID: <9f8tf2+5cso@e...> In-Reply-To: <00ac01c0ead5$dd469d20$70a20741@g...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 152 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.17.166.196 From: mittnox@y... >"mittnox" and "sallyvacuum" are seated in Parliament. Thank you, Your Majesty. And salutations to the Honorable Messrs. Vacuum and Towsner. mittnox From mittnox@y... Fri Jun 01 13:22:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mittnox@y... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 1 Jun 2001 20:22:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 48336 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2001 20:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2001 20:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2001 20:22:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mittnox@y... Received: from [10.1.10.65] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2001 20:22:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 20:22:05 -0000 To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Trolling for Players Message-ID: <9f8thd+n184@e...> In-Reply-To: <00c501c0ead8$58da2220$70a20741@g...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 66 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.17.166.196 From: mittnox@y... I've got one lawyer friend, I'll see if he's interested. mittnox From htowsner@s... Fri Jun 01 14:31:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: htowsner@s... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 1 Jun 2001 21:31:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 46366 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2001 21:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2001 21:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.Stanford.EDU) (171.64.14.116) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2001 21:31:48 -0000 Received: from [128.12.55.129] (toyon-00-119.Stanford.EDU [128.12.55.129]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f51LVmH18318 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: htowsner@h... Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00b701c0ead7$55461b60$70a20741@g...> References: <00b701c0ead7$55461b60$70a20741@g...> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:31:45 -0700 To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: [leg-nomic] RE: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1220691388==_ma============" From: Henry Towsner --============_-1220691388==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Welcome, you may be seated. J You were a player in the early days >of Ackanomic, yes? Your name is very familiar to me as a player (as >opposed to as a member of the Nomic community), and I don't remember >that you were a player of any of the small nomics I've participated >in, since I left Acka at about Proposal 900. I did play in Ackanomic, but not until much later (I joined somewhere in the early to mid 2000's, right after the Vulcan crisis). We were probably in some other game together, perhaps something I joined briefly. At various times I've played in FRC, autonomic, MicroNomic II/MacroNomic, and pnomic, some of them more actively than others. -- Henry Towsner Majority, n.: That quality that distinguishes a crime from a law --============_-1220691388==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" [leg-nomic] RE:

Welcome, you may be seated. J You were a player in the early days of Ackanomic, yes? Your name is very familiar to me as a player (as opposed to as a member of the Nomic community), and I don't remember that you were a player of any of the small nomics I've participated in, since I left Acka at about Proposal 900.

I did play in Ackanomic, but not until much later (I joined somewhere in the early to mid 2000's, right after the Vulcan crisis). We were probably in some other game together, perhaps something I joined briefly. At various times I've played in FRC, autonomic, MicroNomic II/MacroNomic, and pnomic, some of them more actively than others.

--

Henry Towsner <htowsner@s...>

Majority, n.: That quality that distinguishes a crime from a law

--============_-1220691388==_ma============-- From sallyvacuum@y... Fri Jun 01 15:22:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sallyvacuum@y... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 1 Jun 2001 22:22:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 21488 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2001 22:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2001 22:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.186) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2001 22:22:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010601222219.71418.qmail@w...> Received: from [64.236.243.243] by web11204.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 01 Jun 2001 15:22:19 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [leg-nomic] Seated in Parliament To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00ac01c0ead5$dd469d20$70a20741@g...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Aaron J. Cappocchi-Vacuum"

Your Majesty:

I'd like to use my real-world name of "Cappocchi" as my player name here.

(Years after the fact, he began to realize that naming an email address after a female cartoon character was perhaps not the wisest or least confusing choice.)

Dan Marsh <dmarsh3000@h...> wrote:

Oddly, although I don�t consider the game as started, I find myself following the rules.

Under Statute 2.2, �A human person who wishes to be seated in Parliament shall communicate his desire to The King.� I think I can interpret the nature of such communication fairly liberally. So, this message serves to �publ[ish] to all players a statement to that effect,� that is, that �mittnox� and �sallyvacuum� are seated in Parliament.

As in the previous message, I will consider the game started, and accept bills to place on Parliament�s Agenda, once there are four MPs. In the meantime, if any seated MP wishes to change his �player name,� let me know.

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__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dmarsh3000@h... Fri Jun 01 15:33:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dmarsh3000@h... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 1 Jun 2001 22:33:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 78582 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2001 22:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2001 22:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.95.145) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2001 22:33:05 -0000 Received: from c1360097a ([65.7.162.112]) by femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010601223304.CGIB25421.femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c...> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:33:04 -0700 To: Subject: RE: Acka et al Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:33:38 -0400 Message-ID: <00df01c0eaea$e749e380$70a20741@g...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E0_01C0EAC9.60384380" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-From: "Dan Marsh" From: "Dan Marsh" ------=_NextPart_000_00E0_01C0EAC9.60384380 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00E1_01C0EAC9.603FE4A0" ------=_NextPart_001_00E1_01C0EAC9.603FE4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Henry Towsner [mailto:htowsner@s...]=20 I did play in Ackanomic, but not until much later (I joined somewhere in the early to mid 2000's, right after the Vulcan crisis). We were probably in some other game together, perhaps something I joined briefly. At various times I've played in FRC, autonomic, MicroNomic II/MacroNomic, and pnomic, some of them more actively than others. -- Henry Towsner =20 Hmm, now I=92m not sure what one of my Nomics was called. Was =93PNomic=94= a game that barely got off the ground, before devolving into a mess of competing coups after the Speaker went AWOL? =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_00E1_01C0EAC9.603FE4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [leg-nomic] RE:

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Towsner [mailto:htowsner@s...]

=

I did play in Ackanomic, but not until much later (I joined somewhere in the early to mid 2000's, right after the Vulcan crisis). We were probably= in some other game together, perhaps something I joined briefly. At vari= ous times I've played in FRC, autonomic, MicroNomic II/MacroNomic, and pnomic, = some of them more actively than others.

--

Henry Towsner <htowsner@s...= du>

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Your Majesty: >

I'd like to use my real-world name of > "Cappocchi" as my player name here. >

(Years after the fact, he began to realize that naming an > email address after a female cartoon character was perhaps not > the wisest or least confusing choice.) Wow, wacky, the entire message was HTML source. Anyway, I got the drift. Who's "Sally Vacuum"? I don't know the cartoon. DM From mittnox@y... Fri Jun 01 16:21:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mittnox@y... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 1 Jun 2001 23:21:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 37959 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2001 23:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2001 23:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2001 23:21:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mittnox@y... Received: from [10.1.2.33] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2001 23:21:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 23:21:34 -0000 To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sally Vacuum Message-ID: <9f981u+f9jk@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 102 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.17.166.196 From: mittnox@y... A quick web-search reveals she is an anchorwoman for Channel 17 in The Tick comic. Captain Infinity From sallyvacuum@y... Fri Jun 01 21:39:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sallyvacuum@y... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 2 Jun 2001 04:39:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 88115 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2001 04:39:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2001 04:39:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.190) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Jun 2001 04:39:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20010602043943.42061.qmail@w...> Received: from [63.205.45.200] by web11208.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 01 Jun 2001 21:39:43 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 21:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [leg-nomic] Sally Vacuum To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9f981u+f9jk@e...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Aaron J. Cappocchi-Vacuum" mittnox@y... wrote: A quick web-search reveals she is an anchorwoman for Channel 17 in The Tick comic.Captain Infinity - Nice catch, Captain. THE interesting thing aBOUT Sally Vacuum in THE cartoons is SHE tends, to emphasize ALL the, wrong syllables in a sentence, MAKING, her stories, RATHER, hard to follow. ===== The information transmitted herein is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, delete the material, and gouge out your eyes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dmarsh3000@h... Fri Jun 01 22:57:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dmarsh3000@h... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 2 Jun 2001 05:57:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 67456 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2001 05:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2001 05:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.95.145) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Jun 2001 05:57:36 -0000 Received: from c1360097a ([65.7.162.112]) by femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010602055735.TPQU25421.femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c...> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:57:35 -0700 To: "Legislative Nomic" Subject: Trolling for players Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 01:58:09 -0400 Message-ID: <012601c0eb29$00792620$70a20741@g...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0127_01C0EB07.79678620" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-eGroups-From: "Dan Marsh" From: "Dan Marsh" ------=_NextPart_000_0127_01C0EB07.79678620 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0128_01C0EB07.79678620" ------=_NextPart_001_0128_01C0EB07.79678620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sent a brief message to the players or mailing lists of Nomics that seem to have recently died, and invited them to join Legislative Nomic. =20 Surprisingly, several of the alive Nomics have a good 20 players (including =93Our Nomic=94 and =93The Curvature of the Earth is Overwhelmed= by Local Noise Nomic=94), which I haven=92t seen in a Nomic in a while. =20 Anyway, hopefully it pays off. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0128_01C0EB07.79678620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I sent a brief message to the players or mailing lists of Nomics that seem to have recently died, and invited them t= o join Legislative Nomic.

Surprisingly, several of the alive Nomic= s have a good 20 players (including =93Our Nomic=94 and =93The Curvature of the Earth is Overwhelmed by Local Noise Nomic=94), which I haven=92t seen in a Nomic in a while.

Anyway, hopefully it pays off.

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Sat Jun 02 05:32:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mittnox@y... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 2 Jun 2001 12:32:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 85968 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2001 12:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Jun 2001 12:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 Jun 2001 12:32:27 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mittnox@y... Received: from [10.1.10.110] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2001 12:32:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 12:32:26 -0000 To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Trolling for players Message-ID: <9famcq+8vjj@e...> In-Reply-To: <012601c0eb29$00792620$70a20741@g...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 526 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 205.247.108.113 From: mittnox@y... I subscribe to the mailing list for Agora Nomic (though I'm not a player) and it has more than 30 players. Captain Infinity > I sent a brief message to the players or mailing lists of Nomics that > seem to have recently died, and invited them to join Legislative Nomic. > > Surprisingly, several of the alive Nomics have a good 20 players > (including "Our Nomic" and "The Curvature of the Earth is Overwhelmed by > Local Noise Nomic"), which I haven't seen in a Nomic in a while. > > Anyway, hopefully it pays off. From dmarsh3000@h... Sat Jun 02 08:46:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dmarsh3000@h... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 2 Jun 2001 15:46:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 26457 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2001 15:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2001 15:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.95.145) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 Jun 2001 15:46:38 -0000 Received: from c1360097a ([65.7.162.112]) by femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010602154637.HMHG25421.femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c...> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2001 08:46:37 -0700 To: Subject: RE: [leg-nomic] Re: Trolling for players / Agora Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 11:47:09 -0400 Message-ID: <014d01c0eb7b$4ac800a0$70a20741@g...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014E_01C0EB59.C3B660A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 In-Reply-To: <9famcq+8vjj@e...> X-eGroups-From: "Dan Marsh" From: "Dan Marsh" ------=_NextPart_000_014E_01C0EB59.C3B660A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_014F_01C0EB59.C3B660A0" ------=_NextPart_001_014F_01C0EB59.C3B660A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: mittnox@y... [mailto:mittnox@y...]=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 8:32 AM To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: [leg-nomic] Re: Trolling for players =20 I subscribe to the mailing list for Agora Nomic (though I'm not a=20 player) and it has more than 30 players. Captain Infinity =20 Yah, they have a goodly number of players. Agora intimidates me somehow, though, even though I=92ve never done more than look at its records. =20 Incidentally, I was looking at a good report of the history of Nomic World, out of whose ruins was born Agora Nomic. I=92m surprised how many of the meta-game-custom issues were born out of Nomic World; the ways that they solved certain problems are sort of standard-issue in Nomic now. Not only were they the first large-scale Nomic online, but they occasionally had the input of Suber himself, it appears from the archives. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_014F_01C0EB59.C3B660A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

-----Original Message----- From: mittnox@y... [mailto:mittnox@y...]
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 <= /font>8:32 AM
To: leg-nomic@y...= m
Subject: [leg-nomic] Re: Tro= lling for players

I subscribe to the mailing list for Agora Nomic (though I'm not a player) and it has more than 30 players.=

Captain Infinity

Yah, they have a goodly number of players. Agora intimidates me somehow, thou= gh, even though I=92ve never done more than look at its records.

Incidentally, I was looking at a good report= of the history of Nomic World, out of whose ruins was born Agora Nomic. I=92m surprised how many of the me= ta-game-custom issues were born out of Nomic World; the ways that they solved certain prob= lems are sort of standard-issue in Nomic now.&n= bsp; Not only were they the first large-scale Nomic online, but they occasionally had the input of Suber himself, it appears from the archives.

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Welcome to two new Members of Parliament= , Ryan and BallTurret. You may be seated.

I hope and expect more players to come i= n response to my pleas last night, but I said that I=92d start the game with four MPs. We have five, so th= e game is afoot.

Your humble King is now accepting bills (proposals) to place on the Agenda of Parliament. All bills which get on the Agenda = by noon Thursday (EDT) will be published (aro= und) noon Sunday for voting.<= /p>

Because nobody has been seated in Parlia= ment for two weeks, under Statute 5.1 = I am also Chief Justice until, by my reckoning, 17 June= 2001.

Heh =96 a poster to www.nomic.net thought that the game smac= ked too much of Imperial Nomic. H= e was speaking primarily of Statute 1.2 = (where he=92s partly right), but I=92ve currently got all the good offices. All the crappy ones,= too, but this early the burden is hardly odious.

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A new poll has been created for the leg-nomic group: Test poll: Bill 999 o YEA o NAY o ABSTAIN/UNDECIDED To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leg-nomic/polls Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From dmarsh3000@h... Sat Jun 02 09:40:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dmarsh3000@h... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 2 Jun 2001 16:40:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 16450 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2001 16:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2001 16:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.95.144) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Jun 2001 16:40:37 -0000 Received: from c1360097a ([65.7.162.112]) by femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010602164036.KJOK13701.femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c...> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2001 09:40:36 -0700 To: "Legislative Nomic" Subject: Voting/Polling Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 12:41:02 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c0eb82$cfa75620$70a20741@g...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0EB61.4895B620" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-eGroups-From: "Dan Marsh" From: "Dan Marsh" ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0EB61.4895B620 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0014_01C0EB61.4895B620" ------=_NextPart_001_0014_01C0EB61.4895B620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yahoo! groups has a polling feature, which we can use for voting. Does anyone object? =20 The pertinent statute is 4.6, where =93Members of Parliament may vote on each bill so published by communicating such vote to The King;=94 I think that the Yahoo! polls count as communicating it to me as I do get results by voter. =20 The only caveat may be that the closing date for polls doesn=92t allow time to be specified; I=92ll have to see whether votes get datestamped, or whether I just assume that votes made on the appropriate day got in by noon. =20 The message immediately prior to this should tell you that a poll has opened; I=92d like to test the feature before we use it on the raft of bills I=92m sure are about to be submitted. Please vote. =20 Leg-Nomic polls: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leg-nomic/polls =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0014_01C0EB61.4895B620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yahoo! groups has a polling feature, which we can use f= or voting. Does anyone object?

The pertinent statute is 4.6, where =93<= /span>Members of Parliament may vote on each bill so published by communicating such vote= to The King;=94 I think that the Yahoo! polls count as communicating it to me as I do get results by voter.<= /font>

The only caveat may be th= at the closing date for polls doesn=92t allow time to be specified; I=92ll have to see whether votes get datestamped, or w= hether I just assume that votes made on the appropriate day got in by noon.

The message immediately prior to this should tell you that a poll h= as opened; I=92d like to test the feature before we use it on the raft of bills I=92m sure are about to be submitted. Please vote.

Leg-Nomic polls: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leg-nomic/polls=

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Hiya all,

I've done a bit of thinking about som= e initial=20 steps and I'd like to float my ideas. I've used the:

comments on the initial ruleset http://memb= ers.home.com/dmarsh3000/lnomic/comments.htm

and various ideas picked up from other Nom= ics I've=20 lurked on for catalyst.

1) The=20 players, in addition to shoring up the statutes that govern rulemaking, wil= l=20 hopefully direct themselves to creating a more and more subtle “outsi= de world”=20 for the rules to govern, and more and more subtle ways for MP’s to in= teract with=20 the outside world. The result is likely to veer drastically from the = real=20 world, but it will be a world. Players may decide to adapt their worl= d=20 toward the real world, or not.

We could begin gel up ideas for building the world that we govern. It = might=20 be fun to design a county like system that each MP is "elected" from. Give = those=20 county populations based on various rules etc and allow those populations t= o=20 effect the PO on bills.

2) Several=20 ideas were left out of the initial set. For example, Public Opinion s= hould=20 sometimes propose bills. These should be vague, something like “= ;we want=20 health care,” but the benefits of then proposing a bill labeled ̶= 0;health care”=20 should be great.

We could pursue the design of PO which IMHO is a unique and cool idea.= I do=20 think it would benefit with some sort of "reality" to hold it up though. If= we=20 did have some sort of "reality" with people with wants and desires spontane= ous=20 bills by demand of "the people" could be pretty neat and provide alot of=20 interesting play.

3) We could being to chip away the almight= y powers=20 of our soveriegn. :) Seriously though, the king does have a tremendous amou= nt of=20 responsibility and it may be beneficial to everyone to establish offices an= d=20 posts within the Parliament.

Just some food for though and hopefully=20 discussion,

-Ryan

------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C0EB61.837AC4B0-- From htowsner@s... Sat Jun 02 12:58:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: htowsner@s... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 2 Jun 2001 19:58:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 63945 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2001 19:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2001 19:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.Stanford.EDU) (171.64.14.23) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Jun 2001 19:58:16 -0000 Received: from [128.12.55.129] (toyon-00-119.Stanford.EDU [128.12.55.129]) by smtp1.Stanford.EDU (8.11.1/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f52JwF409429 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2001 12:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: htowsner@h... Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010001c0eb93$ce663ae0$8ee50418@c...> References: <010001c0eb93$ce663ae0$8ee50418@c...> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 12:58:13 -0700 To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [LEG-NOMIC] Howdy and some initial ideas. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1220610600==_ma============" From: Henry Towsner --============_-1220610600==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >1) The players, in addition to shoring up the statutes that govern >rulemaking, will hopefully direct themselves to creating a more and >more subtle "outside world" for the rules to govern, and more and >more subtle ways for MP's to interact with the outside world. The >result is likely to veer drastically from the real world, but it >will be a world. Players may decide to adapt their world toward the >real world, or not. > >We could begin gel up ideas for building the world that we govern. >It might be fun to design a county like system that each MP is >"elected" from. Give those county populations based on various rules >etc and allow those populations to effect the PO on bills. One idea I was thinking about would be that instead of having us be MPs, each player would represent a political party. Then eventually each player's voting power could vary to some extent based on some variant of their political capital. >2) Several ideas were left out of the initial set. For example, >Public Opinion should sometimes propose bills. These should be >vague, something like "we want health care," but the benefits of >then proposing a bill labeled "health care" should be great. > >We could pursue the design of PO which IMHO is a unique and cool >idea. I do think it would benefit with some sort of "reality" to >hold it up though. If we did have some sort of "reality" with people >with wants and desires spontaneous bills by demand of "the people" >could be pretty neat and provide alot of interesting play. It seems to me that the best way to do this would be to somehow tie reality to things which will behave independently, to represent not having total control over the world. Of course, we do want some control over it, so finding a balance may be tricky. -- Henry Towsner Majority, n.: That quality that distinguishes a crime from a law --============_-1220610600==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: [LEG-NOMIC] Howdy and some initial ideas.

1) The players, in addition to shoring up the statutes that govern rulemaking, will hopefully direct themselves to creating a more and more subtle "outside world" for the rules to govern, and more and more subtle ways for MP's to interact with the outside world. The result is likely to veer drastically from the real world, but it will be a world. Players may decide to adapt their world toward the real world, or not.

We could begin gel up ideas for building the world that we govern. It might be fun to design a county like system that each MP is "elected" from. Give those county populations based on various rules etc and allow those populations to effect the PO on bills.

One idea I was thinking about would be that instead of having us be MPs, each player would represent a political party. Then eventually each player's voting power could vary to some extent based on some variant of their political capital.

2) Several ideas were left out of the initial set. For example, Public Opinion should sometimes propose bills. These should be vague, something like "we want health care," but the benefits of then proposing a bill labeled "health care" should be great.

We could pursue the design of PO which IMHO is a unique and cool idea. I do think it would benefit with some sort of "reality" to hold it up though. If we did have some sort of "reality" with people with wants and desires spontaneous bills by demand of "the people" could be pretty neat and provide alot of interesting play.

It seems to me that the best way to do this would be to somehow tie reality to things which will behave independently, to represent not having total control over the world. Of course, we do want some control over it, so finding a balance may be tricky.

--

Henry Towsner <htowsner@s...>

Majority, n.: That quality that distinguishes a crime from a law

--============_-1220610600==_ma============-- From mittnox@y... Sat Jun 02 13:44:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mittnox@y... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 2 Jun 2001 20:44:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 53268 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2001 20:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2001 20:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 Jun 2001 20:44:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mittnox@y... Received: from [10.1.10.97] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2001 20:44:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 20:44:03 -0000 To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Voting/Polling Message-ID: <9fbj6j+2b07@e...> In-Reply-To: <001201c0eb82$cfa75620$70a20741@g...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 744 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.17.166.196 From: mittnox@y... --- In leg-nomic@y..., "Dan Marsh" wrote: > Yahoo! groups has a polling feature, which we can use for voting. Does > anyone object? I don't object as long as the poll-moderator (Your Majesty, for the nonce) posts the results of the vote along with a voting detail showing how each MP voted. In a real legislature, it is my understanding that these details are usually a matter of public record. Perhaps SOME votes, as outlined in our laws, could necessitate secret ballots, but I don't believe this should be the default situation. Also, Captain Infinity and Mittnox are both me. If I slip up and use CI (as I have already done once or twice) forgive me. I want to be known as Mittnox here. Thank you, Mittnox From mittnox@y... Sat Jun 02 14:39:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mittnox@y... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 2 Jun 2001 21:39:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 44669 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2001 21:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Jun 2001 21:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 Jun 2001 21:39:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mittnox@y... Received: from [10.1.10.96] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2001 21:39:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 21:38:57 -0000 To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Howdy and some initial ideas. Message-ID: <9fbmdh+dr27@e...> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2797 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.17.166.196 From: mittnox@y... Here's some stuff I showed His Majesty when he first proposed L- Nomic... ---------------------------------------------------------- Here are some ideas for modelling PO randomly: Proposals don't have Public Opinion, concepts do. So (this is worded idea-ish, not legal-ish): I. Every key word in the title of each proposal/law has a public opinion rating. The Public Opinion rating of a proposal/law is equal to the average of the public opinion ratings of all keywords in its title. II. Modifications of public opinion through expenditure of political capital affects keywords, not proposals. example: "Government" has a public opinion rating of -23. "Spending" has a PO of 30, and "Healthcare" has a PO of -48. A bill titled "Government Spending on Healthcare" would have -13.667 PO. If a proponent of the bill spent PC to improve the PO of "Healthcare" to -20, the bill's new PO would be -4.333. III. Initially, keywords have a PO of 0 (people need time to form opinions). IV. Each week, PO on each keyword fluctuates randomly +/- 0-10. It then has a 10% chance to fluctuate another 0-10 in the same direction, and a 1% chance to fluctuate another 0-10 in the same direction. (Large random shifts can happen, rarely). V. Each week that no political capital is spent to modify PO on a key word, it's PO automatically shifts by 5 towards 0. (The rule of apathy). VI. A list of current keywords with non-zero political capital will be listed weekly or at the request of any MP. VII. When a proposal is put forth, any MP may suggest a new title (adding or removing keywords). VIII. There could be some measuring scales which measure public well- being. Health, Wealth, Security, Employment, Racial Tension, etc. Bills which affect one or more of the measuring scales would also affect PO for that bill, after the keywords are taken into account. Problems I foresee: I don't know how to totally prevent irrelevant/misleading titles for bills. Maybe along with VII, CFJs could determine whether a proposed title is insufficient/irrelevant/misleading/etc. I don't know how to prevent bill titles from becoming thesauruses (If Healthcare is unpopular, call it the "Government Medical Spending Bill". Or the "Government Wellness Spending Bill." Or the "Government Physicians Payment Plan". There should be some way that synonyms could be linked in PO. Maybe a CFJ could define two keywords as synonyms, possessing the same PO. Certain phrases should be used as keywords instead of the single words therein. For example, Physical Fitness. National Security. Member of Parliament. I don't really have the measuring scale idea worked out well yet. Anyway, just some ideas to think about. -------------------------------------- Ideas? Comments? Mittnox From htowsner@s... Sat Jun 02 14:43:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: htowsner@s... X-Apparently-To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 2 Jun 2001 21:43:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 45575 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2001 21:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2001 21:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.Stanford.EDU) (171.64.14.23) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Jun 2001 21:43:51 -0000 Received: from [128.12.55.129] (toyon-00-119.Stanford.EDU [128.12.55.129]) by smtp1.Stanford.EDU (8.11.1/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f52Lho414944 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2001 14:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: htowsner@h... Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9fbmdh+dr27@e...> References: <9fbmdh+dr27@e...> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 14:43:48 -0700 To: leg-nomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: [leg-nomic] Re: Howdy and some initial ideas. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1220604265==_ma============" From: Henry Towsner --============_-1220604265==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Well, depending on how we arrange for the economy etc. to actually work, a bill might fall into a given category based on what it actually does rather than the title; so only bills affecting health care rules would be affected by popular opinion on health care. Prefereably, public opinion would take sides too, so that a bill which expanded health care would get +H public opinion while one which shrinks it gets -H. Alternatively or additionally, perhaps the actions of the players could categorize a bill. Maybe instead of taking direct stands on health care, there is instead a public opinion on "Safety" and proponents and opponents of a bill can spend political capital to try to classify a bill as pro-safety or anti-safety. -- Henry Towsner Majority, n.: That quality that distinguishes a crime from a law --============_-1220604265==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" [leg-nomic] Re: Howdy and some initial ideas.

Well, depending on how we arrange for the economy etc. to actually work, a bill might fall into a given category based on what it actually does rather than the title; so only bills affecting health care rules would be affected by popular opinion on health care. Prefereably, public opinion would take sides too, so that a bill which expanded health care would get +H public opinion while one which shrinks it gets