From jjweston@k... Thu Jan 17 15:24:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 17 Jan 2002 23:24:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 24897 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2002 23:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2002 23:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2002 23:24:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0HNIla00990 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:18:47 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:18:47 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Test Message Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Test Message From jjweston@k... Thu Jan 17 17:43:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 18 Jan 2002 01:43:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 94482 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2002 01:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2002 01:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2002 01:43:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0I1cN401677; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:38:23 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:38:23 -0800 (PST) To: , , , Subject: IGNN Rules as of 1/16/02 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Initial 01. Init - All players must agree to all rule changes. 1/11/02 01. Tim. - 2/3 of the players must agree to all rule changes. 1/11/02 02. Tim. - The game has the standard currency of the Nog. 1/11/02 03. Tim. - Everytime a proposal is accepted, the player that proposed it receives one Nog. 1/11/02 04. Jeff - Everytime a proposal is rejected, the player that proposed it loses two Nogs. 1/11/02 05. Jeff - Nogs are measured as integers. 1/11/02 06. Jeff - Whenever any player cannot remember the number of Nogs they have, that number is reset to 0. 1/14/02 06. Jeff - REPEALED 1/11/02 07. Jeff - Whoever has the lowest number of Nogs at the end of the meal must pay for the bill. 1/14/02 07. Jeff - REPEALED 1/11/02 08. Alex - This game lasts forever. 1/11/02 09. Jeff - All rules have a priority. Rules created earlier have a higher priority than rules created later. 1/11/02 10. Jeff - Any rule that conflicts with a rule with a higher priority is null and void. 1/11/02 11. Alex - Each player can have only one proposal on the table at any given time. 1/11/02 12. Jeff - When we get back to the office, all of the rules must be recorded. 1/11/02 13. Alex - All rules must be recorded by the record keeper. 1/15/02 13. Jeff - This rule defines the Position of the Record Keeper. All rules must be recorded by the Record Keeper. 1/11/02 14. Alex - The record keeper must be voted in by a two thirds vote. 1/15/02 14. Jeff - REPEALED 1/11/02 15. Alex - Jeff is the record keeper. 1/15/02 15. Jeff - REPEALED 1/11/02 16. Alex - Nogs can be converted to Noggins. One Nog is worth one hundred Noggins. Noggins are measured as integers. 1/11/02 17. Alex - The record keeper receives 20 Noggins for each rule recorded. 1/14/02 17. Tim. - REPEALED 1/11/02 18. Tim. - When a player has a proposal accepted, they must pay the record keeper 20 Noggins for it to be recorded. 1/11/02 19. Alex - Rules shall be numbered starting with 1 and increasing by 1 per rule in the order they were approved. 1/11/02 20. Alex - The player that created a rule is recorded along with that rule. 1/11/02 21. Alex - New players can be added with a majority vote of all players. 1/11/02 22. Alex - Any vote that results in a tie must be settled with a game of Rock Paper Scissors played by one champion from each side. 1/15/02 22. Jeff - Any situation in the game that results in a tie must be settled by a game of Rock Paper Scissors played by one champion from each side. 1/11/02 23. Alex - When playing Rock Paper Scissors by remote, the two champions must send their throws to an intermediary. 1/15/02 23. Jeff - If all of the champions are not located close enough to play Rock Paper Scissors the normal way, it is instead played by remote. All of the champions must send their throws to an intermediary. The intermediary will announce the results. 1/11/02 24. Alex - The record keeper is the intermediary. 1/11/02 25. Alex - The record keeper cannot be a champion. 1/15/02 25. Jeff - When playing Rock Paper Scissors by remote, the intermediary cannot be a champion. If a situation arises in which the intermediary is the only member from one of the tied sides, the intermediary must specify someone else to be the champion for that side. 1/11/02 26. Alex - Whichever player has the most proposals accepted on a given day is the player of the day for the following day. 1/11/02 27. Tim. - When a player gets 100 Nogs, they become a level 2 player. 1/11/02 28. Alex - New players are added at 8 AM GMT the day after the vote to add them took place. 1/11/02 28. Jeff - New players are added immediately after the vote to add them took place. 1/11/02 29. Tim. - The game has a heroine named Janice. 1/11/02 30. Tim. - One time rule. The recorded rules for 1/11/02 must be approved by a unanimous vote. 1/14/02 30. Jeff - REPEALED 1/11/02 31. Alex - The rules recorded by the record keeper are the official rules of the game. 1/11/02 32. Tim. - The record keeper may only record approved rules. 1/14/02 33. Alex - All players must give the record keeper a valid email address to keep on file. 1/14/02 34. Alex - The record keeper must publish the rules on a publicly accessable web site. 1/14/02 35. Tim. - Whenever any player cannot remember the number of Noggins they have, that number is reset to 0. 1/14/02 35. Jeff - REPEALED 1/14/02 36. Alex - Non-players cannot make proposals. 1/14/02 37. Alex - The current players are Jeff, Tim, Alex. 1/16/02 37. Tim. - REPEALED 1/14/02 38. Tim. - All proposals must begin with the words, "I propose". 1/14/02 39. Alex - Repealed rules must be recorded on a seperate web page along with who repealed the rule. 1/14/02 40. Alex - Players cannot tell non-players the rules. 1/14/02 40. Jeff - REPEALED 1/14/02 41. Tim. - When any player violates the rules, their nog and noggin count is reset to 0. A rule violation must be deterimed by a 2/3 vote of all players. 1/15/02 41. Jeff - When any player violates the rules, they are assessed a penalty of 5 Nogs. A rule violation must be determined by a two thirds vote of all players. 1/14/02 42. Jeff - Once one player has voted on a proposal, that proposal can no longer be changed. 1/14/02 43. Alex - Any player can pause the voting process by yelling, "Pause!". 1/14/02 44. Alex - Any player can unpause the voting processing by saying, "Unpause". The voting process automatically unpauses if it has been paused for more than 5 minutes. 1/14/02 45. Alex - Players start at level 0. 1/14/02 46. Tim. - When a player gets 50 Nogs, they become a level 1 player. 1/14/02 47. Alex - A level 1 player may purchase 1 shield point for 10 Nogs. 1/14/02 48. Jeff - A proposal must be written down in the form it will be voted on before any voting can occur. 1/14/02 49. Alex - The game is played on an infinite 3D gtid and the players' locations are given by X, Y, Z coordinates. 1/14/02 50. Alex - When a player's Noggin count reaches 100, it automatically converts to Nogs. 1/14/02 50. Jeff - If a player's Noggin count exceeds the Noggin to Nog exchange rate, it automatically converts to Nogs. 1/14/02 51. Alex - All players start at location (0, 0, 0). If they forget their location, it is reset to (0, 0, 0). 1/14/02 52. Jeff - This game is called NogNomic. 1/14/02 52. Alex - This game is called Galactic Nog Nomic. 1/14/02 52. Alex - This game is called Imperial Galactic Nog Nomic. 1/14/02 53. Alex - A level 1 player shall have a maximum of 3 shield points and 3 laser points. 1/14/02 54. Tim. - All players must vote on a proposal before it can be passed. A player who has not voted within 48 hours of the proposal being recorded automatically abstains. 1/15/02 54. Jeff - All players must vote on a proposal before it can be passed. A player who has not voted within one Noggle of the proposal being recorded automatically abstains. 1/14/02 55. Tim. - The author of a rule that gets repealed loses 1 Nog. 1/14/02 56. Alex - When a die roll is called for, the record keeper must roll the dice, unless it is the record keeper who needs the role, in which case he must appoint someone to role for him. 1/14/02 57. Tim. - The proposer of a proposal may withdraw their proposal any time before all votes are cast at a cost of 2 Nogs. 1/14/02 58. Alex - A player may move 1D6 units on the grid per day. 1/14/02 59. Alex - The player of the day may move an additional 1D6 units on the grid per day. 1/14/02 60. Alex - All units of time are the same as in real life. Days are based off the GMT time zone. 1/14/02 61. Alex - The players, all information pertaining to the players, and the rules are part of the gamestate. The gamestate can only be modified as allowed by the rules. 1/14/02 62. Jeff - The Nog and Noggin count is recorded by the banker. A new banker can be voted in with a majority vote. The banker receives two Nogs per day for their services. 1/15/02 62. Jeff - This rule defines the Position of the Banker. The Nog and Noggin count for all players is recorded by the Banker. Once per day, the Banker may grant themselves 2 Nogs for their sallary. 1/14/02 63. Tim. - Any construction must first go through the building department to obtain a permit. No construction is allowed without a permit. 1/14/02 64. Alex - The cost of a building permit is 10 Nogs per cubic unit of building space. 1/15/02 65. Alex - The head of the building permit department has to be elected by 2/3 majority vote. 1/15/02 65. Jeff - REPEALED 1/15/02 66. Jeff - There exists a length of time called the Noggle that has a length of 48 hours. 1/15/02 67. Tim. - The unit of time measuring 2 weeks shall be henceforth referred to as the fortnog. 1/15/02 68. Alex - The head of the building permit department gets paid 10% of revenue of a given day on the day following said day. 1/15/02 68. Jeff - This rule defines the Position of Building Permit Department Head. The Building Permit Department Head gets paid 10% of revenue of a given day on the day following said day. 1/15/02 69. Jeff - At any time, only one player holds the title of Rule Judge. At the start of the day every Monday, and any time no player holds the title of Rule Judge, a new Rule Judge is selected. The new Rule Judge shall be the one player that has spent the longest time since they have been the Rule Judge. 1/15/02 70. Jeff - Whenever any dispute arises regarding the intepretation of the rules, any player may ask the Rule Judge for a judgement. When this occurs, the Rule Judge shall determine the interpretation of the rules. The Rule Judge is payed 50 Noggins from the player asking for the judgement. The Rule Judge is not allowed to ask for a judgement. Any judgement from the Rule Judge can be overruled only by a unanimous vote held by all of the other players. When a Rule Judge is overruled, they are not payed for that judgement, and they are stripped of the title of Rule Judge. The judgement request then goes to the next player to become the Rule Judge. 1/15/02 71. Alex - The date and time of the recording of a proposal must be recorded along with the proposal 1/15/02 72. Alex - A proposal that is submitted by email is called an e-proposal. 1/15/02 73. Tim. - Valid votes must be of the form: Yes / No / Abstain. 1/15/02 74. Jeff - The rules define a number of Positions. Only players can hold Positions. One player can hold multiple positions. Which player is currently holding which Possition is part of the gamestate. 1/15/02 75. Jeff - Whenever any Position is vacant, it must immediately be filled by a two step process: Position Nominations, and Position Voting. 1/15/02 76. Jeff - Position Nominations proceed as follows: All players must announce if they wish to run for the vacant Position. If a player does not announce their wishes within one Noggle of the start of the nomination process, they automatically are assumed to not be running for the office. If no players are nominated, 5 Nogs are set aside to be a one-time bonus awarded to whichever player eventually wins the office and nominations are held again. If once again no players are nominated, 5 Nogs are added to the bonus and nominations are held again. This process is repeated until at least one player is nominated. 1/15/02 77. Jeff - Position Voting proceeds as follows: If only one player was nominated, they automatically are assigned the Position they were nominated for. Otherwise, all players must vote for who will hold the Position from among those nominated. All players must vote before the results can be determined. Any player that does not vote withon one Noggle of the end of the nomination process automatically abstains. The one player who receives the most votes is assigned the Position. 1/15/02 78. Jeff - Any player holding a Position can vacate that Position voluntarily at any time. The players can forcibly remove any player from a Position they hold by a two thirds vote. 1/16/02 79. Tim. - Define the position of the Time Keeper. The Time Keeper is responsible for providing the accurate time when required and receives 5 Noggins every time this service is performed. 1/16/02 80. Tim. - All timestamps have the following format: hours(24 hour):minutes in GMT time zone followed by month/day/year. From jjweston@k... Thu Jan 17 19:57:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 18 Jan 2002 03:57:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 7103 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2002 03:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2002 03:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2002 03:57:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0I3pmv01793; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:51:48 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:51:47 -0800 (PST) To: , , , Subject: Some proposals I'm thinking about... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje As promised, I've come up with some proposals to help make this game more email based, while still allowing the face to face gameplay that we've come to enjoy. Please look them over. I'd like to discuss them, and perhaps vote on them at lunch on Friday. Comments and suggestions are welcome. My first proposal creates a mailing list and defines some of the technicalities surrounding it. I still allow face to face communication to occur, but the mailing list is available when such communication is not possible. ----- START I would like to propose that we amend rule 33 to read as follows: The official mailing list for this game is . All players must subscribe to the mailing list. Any time a player must communicate with all players but not all of the players are close enough for face to face communication, the official mailing list must be used instead. If the official mailing list ceases to function for any reason, players may directly email all other players as an emergency backup official mailing list. ----- END My second (and much longer) proposal deals with the technicalities of proposals. What they are. How they are made. How they are amended. How they are voted upon. Etc, etc, etc... I start by amending rule one to be more specific about how the rules are changed. Then I make it so that proposals must be sent to the official mailing list in rule 11. I increase the limit on the number of proposals on the table per player to five in rule 36. I define a clear process for amending proposals.in rule 38. I state that votes can be made on proposals before voting starts, but those votes don't count in rule 42 (thus avoiding the 5 Nog penalty for accidentaly voting on a proposal before the proper time). I describe how a proposal enters the voting process in rule 43. I update rule 54 ("All players must vote...") to reflect the new process. I update rule 57 ("Withdrawing proposals...") to permit withdrawing a proposal from the table with no penalty, but keeping the penalty for withdrawing from voting. I update rule 71 to make sure the Time Keeper still has something to do in this new process. Finally, I repeal rules 44, 48, and 72. I tried to limit the number of repealed rules by amending as many existing rules as I could. I still came up 3 short. Things to note: Making and amending proposals must be done via the mailing list. Voting can still occur face to face. This saves the hassle of having to record proposals while trying to eat, while still permitting us to pass plenty of proposals during a meal, provided that players have placed them on the table. I am open to suggestions on changing the limit of the number of proposals a player can have on the table. I chose 5 since it seemed like a good number, but it may not leave us with enough to vote on over a lunch break. Also, I am considering repealing rule 54 since it doesn't seem to provide us with any benefit, while possibly causing the game to slow to a crawl. And now, my proposal: ----- START I would like to propose that we amend rule 1 to read as follows: The rules of the game can be changed by any player making a proposal, and having at least two thirds of all players vote in favor of the proposal. A proposal consists of one or more new rules and/or one or more amendments to existing rules and/or the repeal of one or more existing rules. Also, amend rule 11 to read as follows: Any player can place a proposal on the table by sending the proposal to the official mailing list. To be recognized as a proposal, the subject of the email message must be of the following form: the characters "Proposal: " followed by the name of the proposal. The name of the proposal must be unique amongst all proposals currently on the table. Only one proposal is allowed per email message. Also, amend rule 36 to read as follows: Each player may only have five proposals on the table at any given time. Also, amend rule 38 to read as follows: While a proposal is on the table, the proponent may change the proposal by sending a new version of it to the mailing list. To be recognized as a new version of a proposal already on the table, the subject of the email message must be of the following form: the characters "Amended Proposal: " followed by the name of the proposal. Also, amend rule 42 to read as follows: While any player can comment on proposals on the table, or even indicate how they might vote, any vote cast regarding a proposal that is still on the table does not count. Also, amend rule 43 to read as follows: A proponent of a proposal may remove one of their proposals from the table and start the voting process by announcing this desire to all players. This can only be done if no proposal is currently in the voting process. Once the voting process starts on a proposal, that proposal can no longer be changed. The version that is voted upon is the last version that was posted to the official mailing list by the proponent. Also, amend rule 54 to read as follows: All players must vote on a proposal before the voting process is complete. Any player who has not voted within one Noggle of the proposal entering the voting process automatically abstains. Also, amend rule 57 to read as follows: Any proposal on the table can be withdrawn at any time by the proponent of the proposal with no penalty. To do so, the proponent must send a message the the official mailing list stating this action. Once a proposal has entered the voting process, it can be withdrawn by the proponent with a penalty of 2 Nogs. This action must be communicated to all players. Also, amend rule 71 to read as follows: When a proposal enters the voting process, the Time Keeper must record the date and time when it did so. This information must be communicated to all players. Also, repeal rules 44, 48, and 72. ----- END From jjweston@k... Sat Jan 19 16:03:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Jan 2002 00:03:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 11386 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 00:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2002 00:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 00:03:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0JNvvU03646; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:57:57 -0800 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:57:57 -0800 (PST) To: , , Subject: The IGNN Web Site is up to date. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Everyone, I've finally got all of the rules included on the ruleset page. I've made a few other updates to the site as well. Take a look, the web site is available here: http://kenny.sir-toby.com/ignn/ In other news, Tim and Alex still need to subscribe to the mailing list. You can do so here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ignn/ As a reminder, subscribing to the mailing list is now required by the rules. Failure to do so will be a violation of the rules. Also, you will miss any game activity while you are not subscribed. From jjweston@k... Mon Jan 21 06:04:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Jan 2002 14:04:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 19073 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 14:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2002 14:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 14:04:54 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0LDwmC10849 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:58:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:58:48 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Test Message Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Just testing Alex's subscription. It didn't show up at first and he wasn't receiving messages. From jjweston@k... Tue Jan 22 06:29:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 22 Jan 2002 14:29:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 47211 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2002 14:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2002 14:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 14:29:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0MEMqV11953 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:22:52 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:22:51 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Proposal: Inactive Players Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Create a new rule with the following text: Every player has an activity state, and this state is part of the gamestate. The activity state of any player can be set to either Active or Inactive. A player with an activity state set to Active is referred to as an active player. A player with an activity state set to inactive is referred to as an inactive player. When a player joins the game, their activity state is set to Active. When this rule is enacted, the activity state of every player is set to Active and this sentence will repeal itself from the rules. Create a new rule with the following text: Any active player can voluntarily set their activity status to Inactive by announcing their desire to do so to all players. Their activity state is set to Inactive one Noggle after the announcement is made. Any active player who is forced to abstain on a vote, due to not responding in time, immediately has their activity state set to Inactive. Create a new rule with the following text: Any inactive player can voluntarily set their activity status to Active by announcing their desire to do so to all players. Their activity state is set to Active immediately after the announcement is made. Create a new rule with the following text: Any player who has had their activity state set to Inactive for longer than two fortnogs is automatically dropped from the game. Amend rule 1 to read as follows: The rules of the game can be changed by any active player making a proposal, and having at least two thirds of all active players vote in favor of the proposal. A proposal consists of one or more new rules and/or one or more amendments to existing rules and/or the repeal of one or more existing rules. Amend rule 11 by inserting the word "active" before the word "player". Amend rule 21 by inserting the word "active" before the second occurrence of the word "players". Amend rule 38 to read as follows: While a proposal is on the table, the proponent may change the proposal, if the proponent is an active player, by sending a new version of the proposal to the mailing list. To be recognized as a new version of a proposal already on the table, the subject of the email message must be of the following form: the characters "Amended Proposal: " followed by the name of the proposal. Amend rule 41 to read as follows: When any player violates the rules, they are assessed a penalty of 5 Nogs. A rule violation must be determined by a two-thirds vote of all active players. Amend rule 43 to read as follows: A proponent of a proposal, if they are an active player, may remove one of their proposals from the table and start the voting process by announcing this desire to all players. This can only be done if no proposal is currently in the voting process. Once the voting process starts on a proposal, that proposal can no longer be changed. The version that is voted upon is the last version that was posted to the official mailing list by the proponent. Amend rule 47 by inserting the word "active" before the word "player". Amend rule 54 to read as follows: Only active players may vote on a proposal. All active players must vote on a proposal before the voting process is complete. Any player who has not voted within one Noggle of the proposal entering the voting process automatically abstains. Amend rule 57 to read as follows: Any proposal on the table can be withdrawn at any time by the proponent of the proposal, if they are an active player, with no penalty. To do so, the proponent must send a message to the official mailing list stating this action. Once a proposal has entered the voting process, the proponent can withdraw it, if they are an active player, with a penalty of 2 Nogs. This action must be communicated to all players. Amend rule 58 by striking the words "A player" and replacing them with "An active player". Amend rule 59 to read as follows: The player of the day may move an additional 1D6 units on the grid per day, if they are an active player. Amend rule 69 to read as follows: At any time, only one active player holds the title of Rule Judge. At the start of the day every Monday, and any time no player holds the title of Rule Judge, a new Rule Judge is selected. The new Rule Judge shall be the one active player that has spent the longest time since they have been the Rule Judge. Amend rule 70 to read as follows: Whenever any dispute arises regarding the interpretation of the rules, any active player may ask the Rule Judge for a judgment. When this occurs, the Rule Judge shall determine the interpretation of the rules. The Rule Judge is paid 50 Noggins from the player asking for the judgment. The Rule Judge is not allowed to ask for a judgment. Any judgment from the Rule Judge can be overruled only by a unanimous vote held by all of the active players, excluding the Rule Judge. When a Rule Judge is overruled, they are not paid for that judgment, and they are stripped of the title of Rule Judge. The judgment request then goes to the next player to become the Rule Judge. Amend rule 74 to read as follows: The rules define a number of Positions. Only active players can hold Positions. One player can hold multiple positions. Which player is currently holding which Position is part of the gamestate. Amend rule 76 by inserting the word "active" in front of the first occurrence of the word "players". Amend rule 77 to read as follows: Position Voting proceeds as follows: If only one player was nominated, they automatically are assigned the Position they were nominated for. Otherwise, all active players must vote for who will hold the Position from among those nominated. All active players must vote before the results can be determined. Any player that does not vote within one Noggle of the start of the voting process automatically abstains. The one player who receives the most votes is assigned the Position. Amend rule 78 to read as follows: Any player holding a Position can vacate that Position voluntarily at any time. The active players can forcibly remove any player from a Position they hold by a two-thirds vote of all active players. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 23 05:23:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 23 Jan 2002 13:23:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 26574 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2002 13:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2002 13:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2002 13:23:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0NDH6B12933 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:17:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:17:05 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Time for a new Rule Judge... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje As of Monday, we have a new Rule Judge. Myself, Luke, and Tim have never been the Rule Judge, therefore we have a tie condition. It doesn't look like we'll be able to play RSP in person, so I suggest we play remote RSP. I am the only member from my side. Since I cannot be a champion, I appoint Alex Jackson to be the champion for my side. Please get your RSP throws to me via private email and I will announce the results. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 23 10:46:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 23 Jan 2002 18:46:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 70179 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2002 18:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2002 18:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2002 18:46:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0NIdVw13324 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:39:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:39:31 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Re: [ignn] Time for a new Rule Judge... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Alex, Luke, and Tim all thew paper for round 1. Fortunately, all of the champions were in one place to finish the game of RSP. Tim won and is the Rule Judge for the week. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 23 16:32:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 00:32:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 7563 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 00:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 00:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 00:32:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0O0PgK13518 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:25:42 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:25:42 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Inactive Players In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Seems like we've had enough time to discuss this. I hereby remove my proposal from the table and start the voting process. Time Keeper: Be sure to record the time stamp when this proposal entered the voting process, per rule 71. I vote YES on this proposal. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 23 16:34:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 00:34:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 96472 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 00:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 00:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 00:34:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0O0RaI13527 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:27:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:27:36 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Proposal: Repeal Rule 12 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Repeal rule 12. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 23 16:37:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 00:37:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 47229 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 00:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 00:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 00:37:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0O0V5U13536 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:31:05 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:31:05 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Proposal: Clean up Rule 55 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Amend rule 55 to read as follows: When a rule is repealed, the original creator of that rule loses one Nog. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 23 16:52:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 00:52:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 71348 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 00:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 00:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 00:52:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0O0jIA13552 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:45:18 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:45:18 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Proposal: Better Noggin Management Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Amend rule 16 to read as follows: Nogs can be converted to Noggins. One Nog is worth one hundred Noggins. Noggins are measured as integers. A players's Noggin count must always be between zero and ninety-nine, inclusive. If any game action occurs that would bring a player's Noggin count outside of that range, Nogs are converted to Noggins (or Noggins coverted to Nogs) to ensure this constraint is met. Repeal rule 50. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 23 16:55:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 00:55:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 87276 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 00:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 00:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 00:55:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0O0mgY13561 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:48:42 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:48:42 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Proposal: Automatic Sallary for the Banker Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Amend rule 62 to read as follows: This rule defines the Position of the Banker. The Nog and Noggin count for all players is recorded by the Banker. At the beginning of each day, the Banker automatically receives 2 Nogs for their sallary. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 23 17:03:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 01:03:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 25033 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 01:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 01:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 01:03:56 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0O0vCU13570 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:57:12 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:57:12 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Proposal: Grid Position Tracker Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Amend rule 51 to read as follows: All players start at location (0, 0, 0). Create a new rule with the followign text: This rule defines the Position of Grid Position Tracker. The position of all players in the 3D grid is recorded by the Grid Position Tracker. At the beginning of each day, the Grid Position automatically receives 1 Nog for their sallary. From space_cowboy@c... Wed Jan 23 19:25:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ajackson@a... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 03:25:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 97179 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 03:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 03:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.38) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 03:25:05 -0000 Received: from zippy ([24.51.167.1]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQFATM00.O1I for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:24:58 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c1a485$f8e3d150$070aa8c0@z...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Inactive Players Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:19:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-eGroups-From: "Alex Jackson" From: "Alex Jackson" Reply-To: "Alex Jackson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94747368 I vote YES on this proposal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Inactive Players > Seems like we've had enough time to discuss this. I hereby remove > my proposal from the table and start the voting process. Time Keeper: Be > sure to record the time stamp when this proposal entered the voting > process, per rule 71. > > I vote YES on this proposal. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ignn-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From tjsalzman@y... Wed Jan 23 19:42:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tjsalzman@y... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 03:42:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 72186 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 03:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 03:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 03:42:38 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.48] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2002 03:42:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:42:34 -0000 To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Inactive Players Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c1a485$f8e3d150$070aa8c0@z...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 864 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tjsalzman" X-Originating-IP: 63.17.254.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94971373 X-Yahoo-Profile: tjsalzman I vote yes on this proposal. The as the proposal entered the voting process: 01/24/02 12:25 AM GMT --- In ignn@y..., "Alex Jackson" wrote: > I vote YES on this proposal. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 7:25 PM > Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Inactive Players > > > > Seems like we've had enough time to discuss this. I hereby remove > > my proposal from the table and start the voting process. Time Keeper: Be > > sure to record the time stamp when this proposal entered the voting > > process, per rule 71. > > > > I vote YES on this proposal. > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > ignn-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From tjsalzman@y... Wed Jan 23 19:47:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tjsalzman@y... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 03:47:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 66198 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 03:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 03:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 03:47:17 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.89] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2002 03:47:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:47:09 -0000 To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Repeal rule 5, ammend rule 2 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 195 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tjsalzman" X-Originating-IP: 63.17.254.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94971373 X-Yahoo-Profile: tjsalzman I would like to suggest repealing rule 5 which reads "Nogs are measured as integers." and ammend rule 2 to read: The game has the standard currency of the Nog, which is measured in integers. From lmaxon@c... Wed Jan 23 20:52:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lmaxon@c... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 04:52:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 19181 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 04:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 04:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cse.unl.edu) (129.93.33.1) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 04:52:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (lmaxon@l...) by cse.unl.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA7875307 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:52:50 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:52:50 -0600 To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Inactive Players In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Luke Maxon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94678782 X-Yahoo-Profile: dmdsnprls99 I vote YES on this proposal. On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > Seems like we've had enough time to discuss this. I hereby remove > my proposal from the table and start the voting process. Time Keeper: Be > sure to record the time stamp when this proposal entered the voting > process, per rule 71. > > I vote YES on this proposal. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ignn-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From lmaxon@c... Fri Jan 25 07:04:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lmaxon@c... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 15:04:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 37077 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 15:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 15:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cse.unl.edu) (129.93.33.1) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 15:04:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (lmaxon@l...) by cse.unl.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA8666906 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:04:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:04:31 -0600 To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Repeal Rule 12 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Luke Maxon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94678782 X-Yahoo-Profile: dmdsnprls99 I have no objection to this one.. On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > Repeal rule 12. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ignn-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From lmaxon@c... Fri Jan 25 07:04:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lmaxon@c... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 15:04:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 6850 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 15:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 15:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cse.unl.edu) (129.93.33.1) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 15:04:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (lmaxon@l...) by cse.unl.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA8668970 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:04:45 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:04:45 -0600 To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Clean up Rule 55 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Luke Maxon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94678782 X-Yahoo-Profile: dmdsnprls99 I have no objection to this one. On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > Amend rule 55 to read as follows: > > When a rule is repealed, the original creator of that rule loses one Nog. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ignn-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From lmaxon@c... Fri Jan 25 07:05:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lmaxon@c... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 15:05:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 81078 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 15:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 15:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cse.unl.edu) (129.93.33.1) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 15:05:08 -0000 Received: from localhost (lmaxon@l...) by cse.unl.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA8599447 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:05:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:05:06 -0600 To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Better Noggin Management In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Luke Maxon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94678782 X-Yahoo-Profile: dmdsnprls99 I have no objection to this one. Start the dang voting already. On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > Amend rule 16 to read as follows: > > Nogs can be converted to Noggins. One Nog is worth one hundred Noggins. > Noggins are measured as integers. A players's Noggin count must always be > between zero and ninety-nine, inclusive. If any game action occurs that > would bring a player's Noggin count outside of that range, Nogs are > converted to Noggins (or Noggins coverted to Nogs) to ensure this > constraint is met. > > Repeal rule 50. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ignn-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From lmaxon@c... Fri Jan 25 07:05:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lmaxon@c... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 15:05:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 40211 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 15:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 15:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cse.unl.edu) (129.93.33.1) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 15:05:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (lmaxon@l...) by cse.unl.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA8727294 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:05:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:05:44 -0600 To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Automatic Sallary for the Banker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Luke Maxon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94678782 X-Yahoo-Profile: dmdsnprls99 No problems here either. Would suggest spelling Salary with one "el" On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > Amend rule 62 to read as follows: > > This rule defines the Position of the Banker. The Nog and Noggin count for > all players is recorded by the Banker. At the beginning of each day, the > Banker automatically receives 2 Nogs for their sallary. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ignn-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From lmaxon@c... Fri Jan 25 07:09:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lmaxon@c... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 15:09:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 45774 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 15:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 15:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cse.unl.edu) (129.93.33.1) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 15:09:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (lmaxon@l...) by cse.unl.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA8743637 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:09:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:09:25 -0600 To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Grid Position Tracker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Luke Maxon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94678782 X-Yahoo-Profile: dmdsnprls99 I like the idea of adding this position. Also I would not mind running for it if available. I might suggest that the Grid Position Tracker be initially responsible for tracking "Any gamestate associated with the 3D grid, including but not limited to, the positions of the players within the grid." Would this change require modifications to any other rules in order to make sense? I did not find any. Luke On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > Amend rule 51 to read as follows: > > All players start at location (0, 0, 0). > > Create a new rule with the followign text: > > This rule defines the Position of Grid Position Tracker. The position of > all players in the 3D grid is recorded by the Grid Position Tracker. At > the beginning of each day, the Grid Position automatically receives 1 Nog > for their sallary. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ignn-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jjweston@k... Tue Jan 29 09:43:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 29 Jan 2002 17:43:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 24458 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2002 17:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2002 17:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 17:43:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0THZND02469 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:35:24 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:35:23 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Time for a new Rule Judge... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje It is that time again... This time myself and Luke are tied for the title of Rule Judge. We have to play RSP by remote again. Since I am the intermediary, I appoint Alex to be my champion. Get those throws to me via private email. I will announce the results via the mailing list. From jjweston@k... Tue Jan 29 16:31:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 00:31:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 83774 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2002 21:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2002 21:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 21:45:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0TLat802734 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:36:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:36:55 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ruleset Updates Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje I've updated the rules web pages to reflect the proposals we passed on Thursday and Friday last week. As a reminder, the following proposals were passed: Inactive Players Repeal Rule 12 Clean up Rule 55 Better Noggin Management Repeal rule 5, ammend rule 2 The following proposals are still on the table: Automatic Sallary for the Banker Grid Position Tracker The up to date rules are available here: http://kenny.sir-toby.com/ignn/ From jjweston@k... Tue Jan 29 19:52:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 03:52:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 76566 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 03:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 03:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 03:52:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0U3hod03008 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:43:50 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:43:50 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Time for a new Rule Judge... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Luke throws Rock. Alex throws Paper. Paper covers Rock. I am the Rule Judge for the week. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 30 10:13:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 18:13:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 59673 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 18:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 18:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 18:13:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0UI57803715 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:05:07 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:05:07 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Automatic Sallary for the Banker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Good catch. I withdraw my proposal "Automatic Sallary for the Banker". I'm actually beginning to feel that 2 Nogs per day is way too high of a salary. I think I'll make a proposal adjusting the Banker's salary to 2 Nogs per week. On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Luke Maxon wrote: > No problems here either. Would suggest spelling Salary with one "el" > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > > > Amend rule 62 to read as follows: > > > > This rule defines the Position of the Banker. The Nog and Noggin count > > for all players is recorded by the Banker. At the beginning of each > > day, the Banker automatically receives 2 Nogs for their sallary. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 30 10:15:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 18:15:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 78971 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 18:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 18:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 18:15:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0UI6lx03724 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:06:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:06:47 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Amend rule 62 to read as follows: This rule defines the Position of the Banker. The Nog and Noggin count for all players is recorded by the Banker. At the beginning of day every Monday, the Banker automatically receives 2 Nogs for their salary. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 30 10:23:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 18:23:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 67144 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 18:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 18:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 18:23:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0UIF7E03733 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:15:07 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:15:07 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Grid Position Tracker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Luke Maxon wrote: > I like the idea of adding this position. Also I would not mind running > for it if available. I might suggest that the Grid Position Tracker be > initially responsible for tracking "Any gamestate associated with the 3D > grid, including but not limited to, the positions of the players within > the grid." > > Would this change require modifications to any other rules in order to > make sense? I did not find any. Well, we do have the Building Permit Department Head that doesn't currently track anything, but at some point in the future will likely be tracking who has permits for what locations on the grid and for what type of building, etc, etc... There could be a whole bunch of stuff to track on the grid. Instead of trying to incorporate all possible tasks into one Position, I would prefer to add needed tasks to various Positions, or create new Positions as the need arises. I will be sending an amended version of this proposal correcting the spelling of the word "salary". > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > > > Amend rule 51 to read as follows: > > > > All players start at location (0, 0, 0). > > > > Create a new rule with the followign text: > > > > This rule defines the Position of Grid Position Tracker. The position > > of all players in the 3D grid is recorded by the Grid Position > > Tracker. At the beginning of each day, the Grid Position automatically > > receives 1 Nog for their sallary. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 30 10:26:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 18:26:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 7272 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 18:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 18:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 18:26:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0UIIJN03742 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:18:19 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:18:18 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Amended Proposal: Grid Position Tracker Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Amend rule 51 to read as follows: All players start at location (0, 0, 0). Create a new rule with the following text: This rule defines the Position of Grid Position Tracker. The position of all players in the 3D grid is recorded by the Grid Position Tracker. At the beginning of the day every Monday, the Grid Position Tracker automatically receives 1 Nog for their salary. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 30 10:31:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 18:31:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 84154 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 18:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 18:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 18:31:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0UINK503751 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:23:20 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:23:20 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: We Want Judges With Experience Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Amend rule 69 to read as follows: At any time, only one active player holds the title of Rule Judge. At the start of the day every Monday, and any time no player holds the title of Rule Judge, a new Rule Judge is selected. The new Rule Judge shall be the one active player that has spent the longest time since they have been the Rule Judge, provided that player has been continuously active for the last fortnog. If no active players have been continuously active for the last fortnog, that restriction is ignored. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 30 10:34:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 18:34:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 80251 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 18:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 18:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 18:34:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0UIPfi03761 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:25:41 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:25:41 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: The Judge is the Intermediary Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Amend rule 24 to read as follows: The Rule Judge is the intermediary. If there currently is no Rule Judge, the Record Keeper is the intermediary. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 30 11:18:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 19:18:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 21759 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 19:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 19:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 19:18:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0UJAMS03862 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:10:22 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:10:22 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Improved Rule Priority Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Amend rule 9 to read as follows: If two or more rules conflict with one another, then the rule with the lowest number takes precedence. If at least one of the rules in conflict explicitly says of itself that it defers to another rule (or type of rule) or takes precedence over another rule (or type of rule), then such provisions shall supersede the numerical method for determining precedence. If two or more rules claim to take precedence over one another or to defer to one another, then the numerical method again governs. Repeal rule 10. From space_cowboy@c... Wed Jan 30 20:35:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ajackson@a... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Jan 2002 04:35:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 60039 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 04:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2002 04:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.40) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 04:35:05 -0000 Received: from zippy ([24.51.167.1]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQSCQG00.C42 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:35:04 -0500 Message-ID: <005701c1aa0f$e722bf50$070aa8c0@z...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:29:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-eGroups-From: "Alex Jackson" From: "Alex Jackson" Reply-To: "Alex Jackson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94747368 I feel that the salary for the banker should not be reduced as the job will require more effort in the future. (more players and more complex banking rules) - Alex. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker > Amend rule 62 to read as follows: > > This rule defines the Position of the Banker. The Nog and Noggin count for > all players is recorded by the Banker. At the beginning of day every > Monday, the Banker automatically receives 2 Nogs for their salary. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ignn-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 30 20:37:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Jan 2002 04:37:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 92292 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 04:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2002 04:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 04:37:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0V4SlV04219 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:28:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:28:47 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker In-Reply-To: <005701c1aa0f$e722bf50$070aa8c0@z...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Alex Jackson wrote: > I feel that the salary for the banker should not be reduced as the job will > require more effort in the future. (more players and more complex banking > rules) You would say that... How many Nogs you at anyways? 30? 40? :) If/When the banking rules become more complex, the salary can be adjusted. Right now I see no reason for such a huge salary. From jjweston@k... Wed Jan 30 21:19:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Jan 2002 05:19:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 73813 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 05:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2002 05:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 05:19:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0V5AT704251 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:10:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:10:28 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Well, seeing no objections from anyone besides the Banker, and noting that the longer we wait, the richer the Banker gets, I open this proposal up for voting. I vote YES. From tjsalzman@y... Thu Jan 31 18:10:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tjsalzman@y... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 02:10:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 15135 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 02:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 02:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 02:10:01 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.117] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2002 02:09:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 02:07:22 -0000 To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 468 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tjsalzman" X-Originating-IP: 216.163.254.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94971373 X-Yahoo-Profile: tjsalzman After discussing this with Alex, we feel that Jeff was in violation by voting for his proposal before asking for the time from the Time Keeper. I suggest that Jeff be penalized 5 nogs for this rule violation. -Tim --- In ignn@y..., "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > Well, seeing no objections from anyone besides the Banker, and > noting that the longer we wait, the richer the Banker gets, I open this > proposal up for voting. > > I vote YES. From space_cowboy@c... Thu Jan 31 21:16:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ajackson@a... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 05:16:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 18261 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 05:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 05:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.40) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 05:16:45 -0000 Received: from zippy ([24.51.167.1]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQU9BW00.D6B for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:16:44 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c1aade$e43f2650$070aa8c0@z...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ignn] Re: Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:11:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-eGroups-From: "Alex Jackson" From: "Alex Jackson" Reply-To: "Alex Jackson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94747368 Yes this is not stated how it should be done over email. Only that the time (from the timekeeper in the correct format) need to be recorded with the proposal. Jeff set a precedence with a prior proposal and voting via email by explicitly asking the time keeper for the timestamp. ... before voting... I am not sure that this is a violation of the rules (which would result in a 5 nog penalty) as I believe that the voting rules were amended so that a player can have a preliminary vote before the proposal is official which means that Jeff's vote is not official but does not constitute a rule violation. However he did say that he opened the proposal up of "official" voting and did so without requesting a timestamp from the timekeeper. This fact I feel does violate the rule which states that the proposal must be recorded with a timestamp to be "official". Anyway I feel this is a decision for the rule judge and official request for a judgment (and pay for it). - Alex. - Alex. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tjsalzman" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:07 PM Subject: [ignn] Re: Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker > After discussing this with Alex, we feel that Jeff was in violation > by voting for his proposal before asking for the time from the Time > Keeper. I suggest that Jeff be penalized 5 nogs for this rule > violation. > > -Tim > > --- In ignn@y..., "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > > Well, seeing no objections from anyone besides the Banker, > and > > noting that the longer we wait, the richer the Banker gets, I open > this > > proposal up for voting. > > > > I vote YES. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ignn-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jjweston@k... Fri Feb 01 00:04:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 08:04:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 14514 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 08:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 08:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 08:04:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g117u3u05571 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:56:04 -0800 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:56:03 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Re: Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker In-Reply-To: <001401c1aade$e43f2650$070aa8c0@z...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Alex Jackson wrote: > Yes this is not stated how it should be done over email. Only that the time > (from the timekeeper in the correct format) need to be recorded with the > proposal. Jeff set a precedence with a prior proposal and voting via email > by explicitly asking the time keeper for the timestamp. ... before voting... > I am not sure that this is a violation of the rules (which would result in a > 5 nog penalty) as I believe that the voting rules were amended so that a > player can have a preliminary vote before the proposal is official which > means that Jeff's vote is not official but does not constitute a rule > violation. However he did say that he opened the proposal up of "official" > voting and did so without requesting a timestamp from the timekeeper. This > fact I feel does violate the rule which states that the proposal must be > recorded with a timestamp to be "official". Anyway I feel this is a > decision for the rule judge and official request for a judgment (and pay for > it). Okay, as the Rule Judge, here is my interpretation of what is going on. This is NOT a judgement, but merely a statement of how I think the rules apply in this situation. Once I hear the discussion regarding my interpretation, I will issue a judgement. It seems there are two issues in question here. 1) Were all the required actions for opening up the proposal "Reduced Salary for the Banker" for voting followed. Essentially, did the voting process start when Jeff Weston declared it did, or is there some other required action we are still waiting for? 2) Do votes cast on a proposal that is not in the voting process constitute a rule violation? If these are NOT the issues, or additional issues are in question, let me know. Both issues seem to revolve around rules #42, #43 and #71. If you feel additional rules apply to the situation, let me know. I quote the rules below: ----- 42 - Amended by Jeff Weston on 1/18/2002 (Creator: Jeff Weston) While any player can comment on proposals on the table, or even indicate how they might vote, any vote cast regarding a proposal that is still on the table does not count. 43 - Amended by Jeff Weston on 1/24/2002 (Creator: Alex Jackson) A proponent of a proposal, if they are an active player, may remove one of their proposals from the table and start the voting process by announcing this desire to all players. This can only be done if no proposal is currently in the voting process. Once the voting process starts on a proposal, that proposal can no longer be changed. The version that is voted upon is the last version that was posted to the official mailing list by the proponent. 71 - Amended by Jeff Weston on 1/15/2002 (Creator: Alex Jackson) When a proposal enters the voting process, the Time Keeper must record the date and time when it did so. This information must be communicated to all players. ----- For the question of whether or not all of the required actions for opening up the proposal to voting were followed: Rule 43 states that the proponent of a proposal can open it up for voting merely by announcing this desire to all players. Rule 71 states that when a proposal enters the voting process, the Time Keeper must record the date and time when it did so. Rule 71 also states that this date and time must be communicated to all players. Jeff Weston communicated his desire to open the proposal up for voting in an email he sent to the official mailing list [1]. For the time frame in question, the Time Keeper could not possibly have recorded the date and time the proposal entered the voting process, since Jeff Weston voted on it in the same message he opened it up for voting [1]. It seems to me that the question boils down to this: Does the action specified by rule 71 have to occur BEFORE a proposal can enter the voting process. I will discuss this in more detail later on. Now, IF it is determined that at the time Jeff Weston voted on the proposal that it was not in the voting process, the next question is whether or not the vote Jeff Weston cast is in violation of the rules. I would argue that if the proposal is not in the voting process, it must still be on the table. Rule 42 states that any vote cast regarding a proposal that is still on the table does not count. Since the rules don't prohibit voting on a proposal that is still on the table, and in fact they specify the results of such an action (in this case, nothing happens, the vote doesn't count), I feel such an action can't possibly be a rule violation. The only question remaining is whether or not the action specified by rule 71 has to occur BEFORE a proposal can enter the voting process. Alex, in his request for a judgement [2], commented as follows: > However he did say that he opened the proposal up of "official" voting > and did so without requesting a timestamp from the timekeeper. This fact > I feel does violate the rule which states that the proposal must be > recorded with a timestamp to be "official". I note that in Jeff Weston's email [1], he did not use the word "official", but I feel the message clearly indicates he is opening up the proposal for voting per rule 43. As Alex states, Jeff Weston did not request a timestamp from the Time Keeper. Alex goes on to state that Jeff Weston's email [1] 'does violate the rule which states that the proposal must be recorded with a timestamp to be "official".' However, I see no rule that states that a proposal must be recorded with a timestamp to be "official". The closest rule I can think of that comes to that statement is rule 71 which states that when a proposal enters the voting process, the Time Keeper must record the date and time when it did so. I feel that rule 71 does not specify an action that must occur BEFORE a proposal can enter the voting process. Rule 43 clearly states WHEN a proposal enters the voting process, "A proponent of a proposal, if they are an active player, may remove one of their proposals from the table and start the voting process by announcing this desire to all players." I interpret this to mean that when the announcement is made, the voting process starts. I feel that rule 71 instead specifies an action that occurs WHEN the voting process starts. I feel this is clearly stated in rule 71 since it starts with, "When a proposal enters the voting process..." Since this action can only occur WHEN the voting process starts, I feel it cannot possibly be a requirement for starting the voting process. In any case... If it is determined that the action is rule 71 must occur before voting can start, I feel that it would then conflict with rule 43 that also specifies when voting can start. In that case, by rule 10, rule 71 would be null and void and Jeff Weston's action would also be legal since at that point no timestamp would be required under any circumstances for the proposal to be in the voting process. In summary, here are my interpretations of the rules: The voting process started when Jeff Weston announced it. Jeff Weston was not required to request a timestamp. Jeff Weston's vote was legal, and counted. Rule 71 still applies and a timestamp is required of the Time Keeper. Again, this is not my official judgement, but is my current interpretation of the rules. I invite further discussion along these issues before I issue a judgement. [1] Message-ID: [2] Message-ID: <001401c1aade$e43f2650$070aa8c0@z...> From jjweston@k... Fri Feb 01 11:49:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 19:49:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 68172 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 19:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 19:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 19:49:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g11Jeo706184 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:40:50 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:40:50 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje As a friendly reminder, I would like to point out that if it is ruled that the voting for this proposal started when I declared it did, the one Noggle time limit for voting will end tonight around Midnight Eastern time. Since there is no penalty for voting on a proposal that is still on the table, it is safe to vote even if it is ruled that voting has not started on the proposal. On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > Well, seeing no objections from anyone besides the Banker, and > noting that the longer we wait, the richer the Banker gets, I open this > proposal up for voting. From space_cowboy@c... Fri Feb 01 12:19:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ajackson@a... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 20:19:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 5901 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 20:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 20:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.40) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 20:19:40 -0000 Received: from zippy ([24.51.167.1]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQVF4Q00.QS5 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:19:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c1ab5d$05133e60$070aa8c0@z...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:14:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-eGroups-From: "Alex Jackson" From: "Alex Jackson" Reply-To: "Alex Jackson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94747368 I was thinking about that. I vote NO. - Alex. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker > As a friendly reminder, I would like to point out that if it is > ruled that the voting for this proposal started when I declared it did, > the one Noggle time limit for voting will end tonight around Midnight > Eastern time. Since there is no penalty for voting on a proposal that is > still on the table, it is safe to vote even if it is ruled that voting has > not started on the proposal. > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > > > Well, seeing no objections from anyone besides the Banker, and > > noting that the longer we wait, the richer the Banker gets, I open this > > proposal up for voting. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ignn-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From space_cowboy@c... Sat Feb 02 08:33:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: space_cowboy@c... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 2 Feb 2002 16:33:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 60977 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 16:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2002 16:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.49) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 16:33:12 -0000 Received: from 1cust49.tnt1.salisbury.md.da.uu.net ([67.201.23.49] helo=zippy) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16X36F-0005f7-00 for ignn@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 08:33:12 -0800 Message-ID: <002001c1ac06$8eb40bf0$070aa8c0@z...> To: Subject: Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker. Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:25:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1ABDC.557B66F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 From: "Alex Jackson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94747368 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1ABDC.557B66F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well only Jeff and I voted.... meaning that if the rule judge finds that th= e proposal was indeed officially open for voting that Jeff and I become the= only active players. Thus the proposal is a tie and we need to rsp. Anyw= ay looking at rule 71 (see full text below). It is the time keeper's job t= o record the timestamp when the proposal is declared "official" by the prop= oser. This Jeff's proposal did enter the official stage and Tim did not do= his duties of recording the time. But since Tim did not communicate the t= ime to all players did it really enter the official stage? Not sure. It is= up to the rule judge who better make a decision soon (as we might have pla= yers who are inactive now and also on Monday the rule judge changes and we = have to rule says what happens to pending decisions (ie do they carry over = to the new judge or does the old judge rule on them....)). - Alex. 71 - Amended by Jeff Weston on 1/15/2002 (Creator: Alex Jackson) When a proposal enters the voting process, the Time Keeper must record the = date and time when it did so. This information must be communicated to all = players.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1ABDC.557B66F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well only Jeff and I voted.... meaning tha= t if the=20 rule judge finds that the proposal was indeed officially open for voting th= at=20 Jeff and I become the only active players.  Thus the proposal is a tie= and=20 we need to rsp.  Anyway looking at rule 71 (see full text below). = ; It=20 is the time keeper's job to record the timestamp when the proposal is decla= red=20 "official" by the proposer.  This Jeff's proposal did enter the offici= al=20 stage and Tim did not do his duties of recording the time.  But since = Tim=20 did not communicate the time to all players did it really enter the officia= l=20 stage?  Not sure. It is up to the rule judge who better make a=20 decision soon (as we might have players who are inactive now and also on Mo= nday=20 the rule judge changes and we have to rule says what happens to pending=20 decisions (ie do they carry over to the new judge or does the old judge rul= e on=20 them....)).
        -=20 Alex.
 
 
 
71 - Amended by Jeff Weston on 1/15/2002 (Creator: Alex=20 Jackson)
When a proposal enters the voting process, the Time Keeper = must=20 record the date and time when it did so. This information must be communica= ted=20 to all players.

------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1ABDC.557B66F0-- From jjweston@k... Sat Feb 02 08:48:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 2 Feb 2002 16:48:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 71584 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 16:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2002 16:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 16:48:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g12Gd6507525 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:39:06 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:39:06 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker. In-Reply-To: <002001c1ac06$8eb40bf0$070aa8c0@z...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Alex Jackson wrote: > Well only Jeff and I voted.... meaning that if the rule judge finds that > the proposal was indeed officially open for voting that Jeff and I > become the only active players. Thus the proposal is a tie and we need > to rsp. Anyway looking at rule 71 (see full text below). It is the > time keeper's job to record the timestamp when the proposal is declared > "official" by the proposer. This Jeff's proposal did enter the official > stage and Tim did not do his duties of recording the time. But since > Tim did not communicate the time to all players did it really enter the > official stage? Not sure. It is up to the rule judge who better make a > decision soon (as we might have players who are inactive now and also on > Monday the rule judge changes and we have to rule says what happens to > pending decisions (ie do they carry over to the new judge or does the > old judge rule on them....)). > - Alex. I will issue a Judgement later today. I was hoping some people would have additional thoughts on my interpretation. I guess either everyone agrees, or no one cares. If no one comments before I issue the Judgement, I will judge that the proposal was open for voting when Jeff Weston announced it. Tim and Luke will have automatically abstained and the proposal will fail since it did not receive the required two-thirds vote. Tim and Luke will also become inactive. Tim will lose the Time Keeper Position, and nominations will be held for it shortly thereafter. You make a great point there Alex... What happens if there is a request for judgement and the Rule Judge changes? The rules are quite unclear. Perhaps a proposal is in order... From jjweston@k... Sat Feb 02 18:51:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Feb 2002 02:51:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 62664 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 02:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2002 02:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 02:51:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g132fm607880 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:41:49 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:41:48 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Re: Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker In-Reply-To: <001401c1aade$e43f2650$070aa8c0@z...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Okay... Seeing no further discussion on this issue, I now issue my Judgement. On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Alex Jackson wrote: > However he did say that he opened the proposal up of "official" voting > and did so without requesting a timestamp from the timekeeper. This > fact I feel does violate the rule which states that the proposal must be > recorded with a timestamp to be "official". Anyway I feel this is a > decision for the rule judge and official request for a judgment (and pay > for it). I rule that a proposal does not have to be recorded with a timestamp to be official. While a timestamp does have to be recorded when the voting process begins on a proposal, it is not a prerequisite for starting the voting process. Voting for the proposal "Reduced Salary for the Banker" began when Jeff Weston declared it did. From jjweston@k... Sat Feb 02 18:59:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Feb 2002 02:59:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 21146 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 02:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2002 02:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 02:59:55 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g132obT07889 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:50:37 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:50:37 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > Well, seeing no objections from anyone besides the Banker, and > noting that the longer we wait, the richer the Banker gets, I open this > proposal up for voting. I note that the time this message was sent, according to my mailer. was Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:10:28 -0800 (PST). It is now well past one Noggle that the voting process started on this proposal. Jeff Weston votes YES. Alex Jackson votes NO. Tim Salzman ABSTAINS. Luke Maxon ABSTAINS. The proposal fails, since it did not receive the required two-thirds vote. Tim Salzman has his Activity State set to Inactive. The Time Keeper Position becomes vacant, since inactive players cannot hold Positions. Luke Maxon has his Activity State set to Inactive. The Position of Time Keeper is vacant and must be filled. Nominiations for the Time Keeper Position are now open. I wish to run for the Position. From space_cowboy@c... Sat Feb 02 20:04:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: space_cowboy@c... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Feb 2002 04:04:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 41525 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 04:04:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2002 04:04:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.123) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 04:04:26 -0000 Received: from 1cust14.tnt2.salisbury.md.da.uu.net ([63.29.22.14] helo=zippy) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16XDtB-0001KJ-00 for ignn@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:04:25 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01c1ac67$1dd48340$070aa8c0@z...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 From: "Alex Jackson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94747368 I do not wish to run for the position. Jeff is the new Timekeeper. - Alex. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker > On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > > > Well, seeing no objections from anyone besides the Banker, and > > noting that the longer we wait, the richer the Banker gets, I open this > > proposal up for voting. > > I note that the time this message was sent, according to my > mailer. was Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:10:28 -0800 (PST). It is now well past one > Noggle that the voting process started on this proposal. > > Jeff Weston votes YES. > Alex Jackson votes NO. > Tim Salzman ABSTAINS. > Luke Maxon ABSTAINS. > > The proposal fails, since it did not receive the required > two-thirds vote. Tim Salzman has his Activity State set to Inactive. The > Time Keeper Position becomes vacant, since inactive players cannot hold > Positions. Luke Maxon has his Activity State set to Inactive. > > The Position of Time Keeper is vacant and must be filled. > Nominiations for the Time Keeper Position are now open. > > I wish to run for the Position. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ignn-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jjweston@k... Sat Feb 02 21:43:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Feb 2002 05:43:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 76392 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 05:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2002 05:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 05:43:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g135YC908084 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:34:12 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:34:12 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > Well, seeing no objections from anyone besides the Banker, and > noting that the longer we wait, the richer the Banker gets, I open this > proposal up for voting. As the Time Keeper, I record this proposal as being opened for voting on 05:10 GMT 01/31/2002 From jjweston@k... Sat Feb 02 21:44:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Feb 2002 05:44:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 77591 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 05:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2002 05:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 05:44:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g135ZXY08093 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:35:34 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:35:33 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: We Want Judges With Experience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Seeing no objections, or discussion on this proposal, I open it up for voting. I vote YES. On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > Amend rule 69 to read as follows: > > At any time, only one active player holds the title of Rule Judge. At the > start of the day every Monday, and any time no player holds the title of > Rule Judge, a new Rule Judge is selected. The new Rule Judge shall be the > one active player that has spent the longest time since they have been the > Rule Judge, provided that player has been continuously active for the last > fortnog. If no active players have been continuously active for the last > fortnog, that restriction is ignored. From jjweston@k... Sat Feb 02 21:47:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Feb 2002 05:47:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 80456 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 05:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2002 05:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 05:47:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g135c0f08102 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:38:01 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:38:00 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: We Want Judges With Experience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > Seeing no objections, or discussion on this proposal, I open it up > for voting. As the Time Keeper, I record that this proposal was opened for voting at 05:35 GMT 02/03/2002. From space_cowboy@c... Sun Feb 03 05:00:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: space_cowboy@c... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Feb 2002 13:00:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 18620 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 13:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2002 13:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.49) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 13:00:31 -0000 Received: from 1cust31.tnt1.salisbury.md.da.uu.net ([67.201.23.31] helo=zippy) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16XMFy-00052D-00 for ignn@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 05:00:31 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01c1acb2$012e6b20$070aa8c0@z...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: We Want Judges With Experience Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 07:55:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 From: "Alex Jackson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94747368 I vote YES. ( +1n +50ng for Jeff for the proposal passing and providing the official time) - Alex. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: We Want Judges With Experience > On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > > > Seeing no objections, or discussion on this proposal, I open it up > > for voting. > > As the Time Keeper, I record that this proposal was opened for > voting at 05:35 GMT 02/03/2002. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ignn-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From space_cowboy@c... Sun Feb 03 05:06:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: space_cowboy@c... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Feb 2002 13:06:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 43051 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 13:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2002 13:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.49) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 13:06:05 -0000 Received: from 1cust31.tnt1.salisbury.md.da.uu.net ([67.201.23.31] helo=zippy) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16XMLL-0000F2-00 for ignn@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 05:06:04 -0800 Message-ID: <003501c1acb2$c7dc6330$070aa8c0@z...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 08:00:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 From: "Alex Jackson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94747368 (Jeff +50 ng for providing the official time.) -Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker > On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > > > Well, seeing no objections from anyone besides the Banker, and > > noting that the longer we wait, the richer the Banker gets, I open this > > proposal up for voting. > > As the Time Keeper, I record this proposal as being opened for > voting on 05:10 GMT 01/31/2002 > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ignn-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jjweston@k... Sun Feb 03 08:36:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Feb 2002 16:36:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 14507 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 16:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2002 16:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 16:36:18 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g13GQqq13811 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 08:26:52 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 08:26:51 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker In-Reply-To: <003501c1acb2$c7dc6330$070aa8c0@z...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Alex Jackson wrote: > (Jeff +50 ng for providing the official time.) Hmm... I thought it was only 5 Noggins, per rule 79. From jjweston@k... Sun Feb 03 14:25:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Feb 2002 22:25:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 69576 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 22:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2002 22:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 22:25:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g13MGC414102 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:16:12 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:16:12 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: We Want Judges With Experience In-Reply-To: <000f01c1acb2$012e6b20$070aa8c0@z...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Sir Toby X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Alex Jackson wrote: > I vote YES. > > ( +1n +50ng for Jeff for the proposal passing and providing the official > time) The rules have been updated to reflect the passing of this proposal. From jjweston@k... Sun Feb 03 14:27:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Feb 2002 22:27:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 65288 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 22:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2002 22:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 22:27:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g13MI3P14111 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:18:04 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:18:03 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: The Judge is the Intermediary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Sir Toby X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje Seeing no discussion, I open this proposal up for voting. I vote YES. On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > Amend rule 24 to read as follows: > > The Rule Judge is the intermediary. If there currently is no Rule Judge, > the Record Keeper is the intermediary. From jjweston@k... Sun Feb 03 14:31:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Feb 2002 22:31:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 16576 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 22:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2002 22:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 22:31:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g13MLvf14120 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:21:58 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:21:57 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: The Judge is the Intermediary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Sir Toby X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Sir Toby wrote: > Seeing no discussion, I open this proposal up for voting. As the Time Keeper, I record that this proposal was opened for voting at 22:18 GMT 02/03/02 From space_cowboy@c... Sun Feb 03 16:33:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ajackson@a... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Feb 2002 00:33:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 55270 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 00:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2002 00:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.40) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 00:33:01 -0000 Received: from zippy ([24.51.167.1]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQZG6Z00.N1N for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:32:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c1ad12$bf68fd70$070aa8c0@z...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:27:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-eGroups-From: "Alex Jackson" From: "Alex Jackson" Reply-To: "Alex Jackson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94747368 Your right a typo. Sorry - Alex. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [ignn] Proposal: Reduced Salary for the Banker > On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Alex Jackson wrote: > > > (Jeff +50 ng for providing the official time.) > > Hmm... I thought it was only 5 Noggins, per rule 79. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ignn-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jjweston@k... Sun Feb 03 17:46:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Feb 2002 01:46:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 66107 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 01:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2002 01:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 01:46:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g141acp14246 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:36:38 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:36:38 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: New Week, New Rule Judge Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Sir Toby X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje I note that it is now Monday in the GMT time zone. Alex Jackson is the one active player who has spent the most time since being the Rule Judge, and has also been continuously active for the past fortnog. Alex Jackson is the new Rule Judge. From luke.maxon@a... Tue Feb 05 09:01:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: luke.maxon@a... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Feb 2002 17:01:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 1658 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 17:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2002 17:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.57) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 17:01:43 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.145] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2002 17:01:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:01:40 -0000 To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hmmmmmm. Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 52 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dmdsnprls99" X-Originating-IP: 216.163.247.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95953707 X-Yahoo-Profile: dmdsnprls99 I wish to be active. Per rule 83, I am now active. From jjweston@k... Tue Feb 05 09:05:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@k... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Feb 2002 17:05:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 9107 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 17:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2002 17:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (64.139.5.159) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 17:05:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@l...) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g15Gt5716426 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:55:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:55:05 -0800 (PST) To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ignn] Hmmmmmm. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Sir Toby X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54217374 X-Yahoo-Profile: westonje On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, dmdsnprls99 wrote: > I wish to be active. > > Per rule 83, I am now active. Welcome back. There is a proposal currently in the voting process: The Judge is the Intermediary. I believe there is about 5 hours left in the voting period. From luke.maxon@a... Tue Feb 05 09:08:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: luke.maxon@a... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Feb 2002 17:08:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 15898 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 17:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2002 17:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 17:08:05 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.181] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2002 17:08:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:08:03 -0000 To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Email subject lines. Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 723 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dmdsnprls99" X-Originating-IP: 216.163.247.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95953707 X-Yahoo-Profile: dmdsnprls99 Email subject lines should relate to their content. Thoughts: I'm not sure how someone might interpret "relate" but I think people would agree that I shouldn't have posted with a subject line of "Hmmmmmm.." or whatever it was :) It is hard enough to follow this stuff as is. This is already partially provided for in rules 11 and 38. Maybe there should be a "subject" provision in each rule regarding email posts as to the format of the subject line. There could also be a catch-all email subject rule for posts not pertaining to the rules. Or a rule against posting things which are not explicity post-able per the rules. (no spam?) Must put "spam" in the subject line? I'm open to thoughts :) -Luke From luke.maxon@a... Tue Feb 05 09:11:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: luke.maxon@a... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Feb 2002 17:11:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 64770 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 17:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2002 17:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 17:11:01 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.90] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2002 17:10:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:10:48 -0000 To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: The Judge is the Intermediary Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 267 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dmdsnprls99" X-Originating-IP: 216.163.247.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95953707 X-Yahoo-Profile: dmdsnprls99 --- In ignn@y..., Sir Toby wrote: > On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Sir Toby wrote: > > > Seeing no discussion, I open this proposal up for voting. > > As the Time Keeper, I record that this proposal was opened for > voting at 22:18 GMT 02/03/02 I vote YES. From luke.maxon@a... Tue Feb 05 09:14:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: luke.maxon@a... X-Apparently-To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Feb 2002 17:14:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 64691 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 17:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2002 17:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 17:14:54 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.110] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2002 17:14:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:14:52 -0000 To: ignn@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Improved Rule Priority Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/pl