From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr  1 00:52:37 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:52:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] J some more
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0303301122060.70865-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0303311946550.99326-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

I pick up the golden corknut, and then use the omnibus (-5 bp) to travel
to Under the High Wall (on a resting) (+2 bp), where I pick up the Scarlet
Emerald. Then I immediately drop it again (+16 bp -- thanks Ps), and set
its new destination to Mornington Crescent.

If all that's valid, I reduce Iraq's damage by one by setting its second
letter to T for connective purposes (-2 bp), and I move the monkey from
there to the Attic, where I cause the monkey to pick up the Explorer's
Compass.

Finally, if all the above works, I move Grunk from The North Pole to
Central Park and end my turn.

Hmm. As soon as I can get my brain around the fact that Roger's on the
passive turn-taker's list, maybe I'll be able to start taking my turns
without prompting from Psmith...

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr  1 14:03:43 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:03:43 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: Quests
Message-ID: <20030401140343.GB28026@spod-central.org>

A proposal for four new rules:

  For It Is Your Sacred Task [Psmith]

  There shall exist a Roster of Quests, which can contain zero or more
  Quests. This Roster and any Quests on it are part of the state of
  the game. A Quest has associated with it: a colour; three different
  rooms on the map (labelled "home", "locate", and "goal"); and a value.

  Some tokens may be designated "quest tokens". A quest token is
  associated with a particular Quest. Multiple quest tokens with the
  same name can exist; if two or more Quest tokens with the same name
  are ever in the same location, all but one of them are removed from
  the game.

  Whenever a player's location is equal to a room that is a "home" room
  of any Quest, a quest token associated with that Quest is created with
  the name "<colour> primary", where <colour> is the colour associated
  with that Quest, and a location equal to that of the player, unless
  the player is already carrying such a token. Whenever a player
  carrying a quest token with a name containing the word "primary" has
  his or her location equal to the "locate" room of the associated
  Quest, the name of that token shall be altered to substitute "primary"
  with "secondary". Whenever a player or players carrying a quest token
  with a name containing "secondary" have their location equal to the
  "goal" room of the associated Quest, the value of that Quest will be
  added to the appropriate one of the players' tallies, all tokens
  associated with that Quest will be removed from the game, and that
  Quest will be removed from the Roster.

  If at any time there are fewer than three Quests on the roster, the
  active player may create one as an action. To create a Quest, the
  player, in strict order, gives it a colour name of their choice
  different from any other Quest; chooses by Random Selection a "home"
  room from the set of all rooms not including Mornington Crescent, a
  "locate" room from the set of all rooms not including Mornington
  Crescent or the "home" room, and a "goal" room from the set of all
  rooms not including Mornington Crescent or the "home" or "locate"
  rooms; and rolls a 20-sided die. If the result of this roll is 17 or
  less, the value of the Quest will be that many brownie points; if 18
  or greater, the value of the Quest will be one point of Puissance. If
  the player, having commenced creating a Quest, fails to complete this
  series of rolls by the end of the turn, he or she will receive one
  demerit and the Quest will not be added to the Roster.

Rather wordy, I'm afraid; but I think it's workable enough. The idea
being to give people further incentive to be moving around the map
even if they're not finding it possible to lay their hands on prize
tokens. (I've excluded servants and suchlike from claiming or
redeeming quest tokens; this doesn't stop tokens being in their
possession, of course.) If multiple players all reach the Quest goal
at once, they all score full value; this is to cover situations like
the Dot-Com Bubble's bursting and several players changing location at
once.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr  1 18:59:01 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:59:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] My turn
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304011343001.17914-100000@baf.wurb.com>

First, I reduce the damage of Iraq by one, making its 11th and final
letter nonconnective.  This severs it from Under the High Wall (on a
resting).

Then I move to Under the High Wall (on a resting), earning 1 bp.
I pick up the Scarlet Emerald.
I move Banford to Saturn.
My turn is over.




From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr  1 19:52:00 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:52:00 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: Psmith's turn
Message-ID: <20030401195159.GA29960@spod-central.org>

I take the Magic Omnibus (-5 bp) to Blasted Heath (+3 bp).
I steal the Bus Driver's Lunchbox from Gideon Crawle, and drop it.

This turn will continue right after these dierolls. Don't go away.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr  1 20:13:16 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:13:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] Lunchbox value
Message-ID: <200304012013.h31KDGB44690@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr  1 20:13:49 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:13:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] Lunchbox location
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From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr  1 19:59:22 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:59:22 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: Psmith's turn
In-Reply-To: <20030401195159.GA29960@spod-central.org>
References: <20030401195159.GA29960@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <20030401195921.GB29960@spod-central.org>

Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> I take the Magic Omnibus (-5 bp) to Blasted Heath (+3 bp).
> I steal the Bus Driver's Lunchbox from Gideon Crawle, and drop it.
> 
> This turn will continue right after these dierolls. Don't go away.

Ok, that was the worst possible set of rolls, I think; I gain 1 bp, and
the Lunchbox goes to join the crowd Under the High Wall (on a resting),
with a 10-sided value die.

I move Gideon Crawle to the House of Commons.

My turn is completed. It is jwalrus' turn. Blasted Heath has 3 visits.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr  1 20:58:35 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:58:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: Quests
In-Reply-To: <20030401140343.GB28026@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304011543300.18750-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

> A proposal for four new rules:
>
>   For It Is Your Sacred Task [Psmith]

Currently nay, but just because I wanted to address some things before it
goes through. The idea itself intrigues me.

>   There shall exist a Roster of Quests, which can contain zero or more
>   Quests. This Roster and any Quests on it are part of the state of
>   the game. A Quest has associated with it: a colour; three different
>   rooms on the map (labelled "home", "locate", and "goal"); and a value.

No names for quests? I guess names aren't necessary, with the colors, but
it did surprise me.

>
>   Some tokens may be designated "quest tokens". A quest token is
>   associated with a particular Quest. Multiple quest tokens with the
>   same name can exist; if two or more Quest tokens with the same name
>   are ever in the same location, all but one of them are removed from
>   the game.

This doesn't specify which one is removed. At the moment, they might be
identical, but there's no reason to assume it'll stay that way. For
example, we might add a "hunny pot" to the game, capable of making any
game token "sticky" without changing its name. Then you'd need some method
of differentiating which one to remove. Perhaps quest tokens should have a
number appended to their names, so they can be considered in standard
order by name?

>   Whenever a player's location is equal to a room that is a "home" room
>   of any Quest, a quest token associated with that Quest is created with
>   the name "<colour> primary", where <colour> is the colour associated
>   with that Quest, and a location equal to that of the player, unless
>   the player is already carrying such a token. Whenever a player
>   carrying a quest token with a name containing the word "primary" has
>   his or her location equal to the "locate" room of the associated
>   Quest, the name of that token shall be altered to substitute "primary"
>   with "secondary". Whenever a player or players carrying a quest token
>   with a name containing "secondary" have their location equal to the
>   "goal" room of the associated Quest, the value of that Quest will be
>   added to the appropriate one of the players' tallies, all tokens
>   associated with that Quest will be removed from the game, and that
>   Quest will be removed from the Roster.

"Whenever a player or players..." -- I don't think multiple players can
carry one token, so it might be better to phrase that differently. Also,
referring to "...the appropriate one of the players' tallies..." suggests
that only one player will get the points, even if several carry suitable
tokens.

>   If at any time there are fewer than three Quests on the roster, the
>   active player may create one as an action. To create a Quest, the
>   player, in strict order, gives it a colour name of their choice
>   different from any other Quest; chooses by Random Selection a "home"
>   room from the set of all rooms not including Mornington Crescent, a
>   "locate" room from the set of all rooms not including Mornington
>   Crescent or the "home" room, and a "goal" room from the set of all
>   rooms not including Mornington Crescent or the "home" or "locate"
>   rooms; and rolls a 20-sided die. If the result of this roll is 17 or
>   less, the value of the Quest will be that many brownie points; if 18
>   or greater, the value of the Quest will be one point of Puissance. If
>   the player, having commenced creating a Quest, fails to complete this
>   series of rolls by the end of the turn, he or she will receive one
>   demerit and the Quest will not be added to the Roster.

How strictly are we defining the word "colour"? Any vague description of
appearance, analogous to "species"? An actual dictionary-listed color?
Something in between?

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr  1 21:25:47 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:25:47 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: Quests
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304011543300.18750-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
References: <20030401140343.GB28026@spod-central.org> <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304011543300.18750-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <20030401212546.GA30619@spod-central.org>

Admiral Jota wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> 
> > A proposal for four new rules:
> >
> >   For It Is Your Sacred Task [Psmith]
> 
> Currently nay, but just because I wanted to address some things before it
> goes through. The idea itself intrigues me.

> No names for quests? I guess names aren't necessary, with the colors, but
> it did surprise me.

It was getting far too lengthy as it was, and as you say, redundant with
colours (which I needed to distinguish one Quest's tokens from another).
I can add them in easily enough if people want the flavour, though.

> >   Multiple quest tokens with the
> >   same name can exist; if two or more Quest tokens with the same name
> >   are ever in the same location, all but one of them are removed from
> >   the game.
> 
> This doesn't specify which one is removed. At the moment, they might be
> identical, but there's no reason to assume it'll stay that way.

This seems a tricky problem. It might be preferable to say that
they're all removed and a fresh one with the same name is created in
place.

> >   Whenever a player or players carrying a quest token
> >   with a name containing "secondary" have their location equal to the
> >   "goal" room of the associated Quest, the value of that Quest will be
> >   added to the appropriate one of the players' tallies, all tokens
> >   associated with that Quest will be removed from the game, and that
> >   Quest will be removed from the Roster.
> 
> "Whenever a player or players..." -- I don't think multiple players can
> carry one token, so it might be better to phrase that differently.

I'll just rewrite it as singular, with "If multiple players meet this
criterion simultaneously, the value of the Quest will be added to
each of their appropriate tallies." as a follow-up.

> >   To create a Quest, the
> >   player, in strict order, gives it a colour name of their choice
> >   different from any other Quest;
> 
> How strictly are we defining the word "colour"? Any vague description of
> appearance, analogous to "species"? An actual dictionary-listed color?
> Something in between?

Since no definition of colour name has been set, I'd say the first of
these, anything that can be considered as describing any kind of
colour; whether that be "purple", "sand", "iridescent" or
"melancholy". (Or "banana".)

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr  1 23:35:14 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 00:35:14 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] jwalrus' turn
Message-ID: <25640719.1049243714@cornelius>

The Baron will be joining Grunk in Central Park. I, meanwhile, declare that 
the fourth letter of Iraq's connectivity name shall be L, making its new 
name "Ltblpotami*" (-2bp) and then move from Zrblm to there (+1bp).

If that's all legal, I end my turn and Iraq's visits go up to 5.


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr  2 21:44:36 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:44:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Jota's turn
In-Reply-To: <25640719.1049243714@cornelius>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304021637500.40752-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

I pick up the Bus Driver's Lunchbox and then move myself from Under the
High Wall (on a resting) to Central Park (+2 bp). If that's valid, and if
Grunk is in Central Park, I drop the golden corknut and cause Grunk to
pick it up. Next, if all that worked, I move Grunk from Central Park to
The North Pole. Provided the above is all legal, I end my turn.

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr  3 19:05:35 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:05:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Jota's turn
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304021637500.40752-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304031339170.3132-100000@baf.wurb.com>


On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Admiral Jota wrote:

> I pick up the Bus Driver's Lunchbox and then move myself from Under the
> High Wall (on a resting) to Central Park (+2 bp). If that's valid, and if
> Grunk is in Central Park, I drop the golden corknut and cause Grunk to
> pick it up. Next, if all that worked, I move Grunk from Central Park to
> The North Pole. Provided the above is all legal, I end my turn.

I repair one point of damage to Iraq, making its fourth letter
nonconnective.  This returns the map to its former shape.

Then I move to Saturn and drop the Scarlet Emerald, and Banford picks it
up, moves to Mornington Crescent, and drops it for 8 bp.  Its new
destination is The.



From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr  4 13:12:49 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:12:49 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: Psmith's turn
Message-ID: <20030404131248.GA51348@spod-central.org>

I move to the North Pole. (+4 bp for exploration; -10 bp for Elf Tax;
everyone else gets 5bp).
I move Gideon Crawle to the North Pole.
I steal the golden corknut from Grunk.

My turn is completed. It is jwalrus' turn. The North Pole now has 3
visits.


-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr  4 13:27:48 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:27:48 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: Quests
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304011543300.18750-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
References: <20030401140343.GB28026@spod-central.org> <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304011543300.18750-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <20030404132747.GB51348@spod-central.org>

Admiral Jota wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> 
> > A proposal for four new rules:
> >
> >   For It Is Your Sacred Task [Psmith]
> 
> Currently nay, but just because I wanted to address some things before it
> goes through. The idea itself intrigues me.

Since there's been no further comments, I'll declare this version of
the proposal dead pursuant to Jota's nay vote, and repropose a
modified version incorporating his suggestions (still for four new
rules):

  For It Is Still Your Sacred Task [Psmith]

  There shall exist a Roster of Quests, which can contain zero or more
  Quests. This Roster and any Quests on it are part of the state of
  the game. A Quest has associated with it: an optional name; a colour;
  three different rooms on the map (labelled "home", "locate", and "goal");
  and a value.

  Some tokens may be designated "quest tokens". A quest token is
  associated with a particular Quest. Multiple quest tokens with the
  same name can exist; if two or more Quest tokens with the same name
  are ever in the same location, they are all removed from the game, and
  a new quest token with the same name is created in that location.

  Whenever a player's location is equal to a room that is a "home" room
  of any Quest, a quest token associated with that Quest is created with
  the name "<colour> primary", where <colour> is the colour associated
  with that Quest, and a location equal to that of the player, unless
  the player is already carrying such a token. Whenever a player
  carrying a quest token with a name containing the word "primary" has
  his or her location equal to the "locate" room of the associated
  Quest, the name of that token shall be altered to substitute "primary"
  with "secondary". Whenever a player carrying a quest token with a name
  containing "secondary" has his or her location equal to the   "goal"
  room of the associated Quest, the value of that Quest will be added to
  the appropriate one of the players' tallies, all tokens associated with
  that Quest will be removed from the game, and that Quest will be removed
  from the Roster. If multiple players meet this criterion simultaneously,
  the full value will be awarded to each of the players.

  If at any time there are fewer than three Quests on the roster, the
  active player may create one as an action. To create a Quest, the
  player, in strict order: may give it a name of his or her choice;
  gives it a colour of their choice different from any other Quest;
  chooses by Random Selection a "home" room from the set of all rooms
  not including Mornington Crescent, a "locate" room from the set of all
  rooms not including Mornington Crescent or the "home" room, and a
  "goal" room from the set of all rooms not including Mornington
  Crescent or the "home" or "locate" rooms; and rolls a 20-sided die. If
  the result of this roll is 17 or less, the value of the Quest will be
  that many brownie points; if 18 or greater, the value of the Quest
  will be one point of Puissance. If the player, having commenced
  creating a Quest, fails to complete this series of rolls by the end of
  the turn, he or she will receive one demerit and the Quest will not be
  added to the Roster.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr  4 17:51:43 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:51:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: Quests
In-Reply-To: <20030404132747.GB51348@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304041239430.79953-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

>   For It Is Still Your Sacred Task [Psmith]

Aye. Unless someone else has a good objection.

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr  4 18:48:50 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:48:50 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: Quests
In-Reply-To: <20030404132747.GB51348@spod-central.org>
References: <20030404132747.GB51348@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <25230539.1049485729@cornelius>

>   For It Is Still Your Sacred Task [Psmith]

Aye!


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr  4 18:57:05 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:57:05 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] jwalrus again
Message-ID: <25725971.1049486225@cornelius>

Ok, my turn. I change the first letter of Iraq's connectivity name to 'C' 
(-2bp), disconnecting it from the Lounge but connecting it to Central Park.

Assuming this is legal, I then move to Central Park (+2bp), steal the 
mind-control satellite uplink from Jota and move the Baron to the Servants' 
Quarters.

If that's all successful I'll then end my turn, at which point Central 
Park's visits will increase to 5.


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Sat Apr  5 15:51:08 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:51:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T]
In-Reply-To: <25725971.1049486225@cornelius>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304051035370.98175-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

If it's my turn again (and it appears to be), I move Grunk to Mornington
Crescent and cause him to pick up the Scarlet Emerald. If that works, I
move myself to Saturn, and end my turn.

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/




From nomic02@wurb.com  Sun Apr  6 06:09:23 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 01:09:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304051035370.98175-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304060105360.8441-100000@baf.wurb.com>

I move myself to Washington, DC.  Then I repair one point of damage to
Iraq, making its 6th letter (the o) nonconnective and severing it from the
House of Commons.  My turn is over.  I'll try to have the site updated
sometime tomorrow.




From nomic02@wurb.com  Sun Apr  6 20:42:07 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:42:07 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] impishness
Message-ID: <25424368.1049665327@cornelius>

Impishness [jwalrus]

Create the following new tokens:

Banana Imp                 : location Brigadoon
Treasure Imp (prize token) : location the Lounge
                             destination the Servants' Quarters
                             value 7
Null Imp                   : location Washington, DC


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr  7 00:58:05 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 01:58:05 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: Psmith's turn
Message-ID: <20030407005805.GC72219@spod-central.org>

I'll just take my turn; the rest can wait until the morning.

I drop the golden corknut, and have Gideon Crawle pick it up.
I move Crawle to Mornington Crescent and have him drop the corknut (+14 bp).
I move to West of Nowhere (+5 bp)

My turn is completed. It is jwalrus' turn. West of Nowhere now has 3 visits.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr  7 08:49:59 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 09:49:59 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] impishness
In-Reply-To: <25424368.1049665327@cornelius>
References: <25424368.1049665327@cornelius>
Message-ID: <20030407084959.GA75207@spod-central.org>

Adam Biltcliffe wrote:
> Impishness [jwalrus]
> 
> Create the following new tokens:
> 
> Banana Imp                 : location Brigadoon
> Treasure Imp (prize token) : location the Lounge
>                             destination the Servants' Quarters
>                             value 7
> Null Imp                   : location Washington, DC

Nay, on two admittedly fairly arbitrary grounds:

we already have two prize tokens with value 7, and it'd be nice for
the Treasure Imp to be different;

what's the difference between the Null Imp and the Bottle Imp?

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr  7 16:12:58 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:12:58 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Ratified: Quests
Message-ID: <20030407161258.GA77605@spod-central.org>

The following proposal has been agreed unanimously (explicitly by Jota
and jwalrus, implicitly by Roger, baf, and me). It will come into effect
as Rules 139-142 in one hour from the timestamp of this message.

  For It Is Still Your Sacred Task [Psmith]

  There shall exist a Roster of Quests, which can contain zero or more
  Quests. This Roster and any Quests on it are part of the state of
  the game. A Quest has associated with it: an optional name; a colour;
  three different rooms on the map (labelled "home", "locate", and "goal");
  and a value.

  Some tokens may be designated "quest tokens". A quest token is
  associated with a particular Quest. Multiple quest tokens with the
  same name can exist; if two or more Quest tokens with the same name
  are ever in the same location, they are all removed from the game, and
  a new quest token with the same name is created in that location.

  Whenever a player's location is equal to a room that is a "home" room
  of any Quest, a quest token associated with that Quest is created with
  the name "<colour> primary", where <colour> is the colour associated
  with that Quest, and a location equal to that of the player, unless
  the player is already carrying such a token. Whenever a player
  carrying a quest token with a name containing the word "primary" has
  his or her location equal to the "locate" room of the associated
  Quest, the name of that token shall be altered to substitute "primary"
  with "secondary". Whenever a player carrying a quest token with a name
  containing "secondary" has his or her location equal to the   "goal"
  room of the associated Quest, the value of that Quest will be added to
  the appropriate one of the players' tallies, all tokens associated with
  that Quest will be removed from the game, and that Quest will be removed
  from the Roster. If multiple players meet this criterion simultaneously,
  the full value will be awarded to each of the players.

  If at any time there are fewer than three Quests on the roster, the
  active player may create one as an action. To create a Quest, the
  player, in strict order: may give it a name of his or her choice;
  gives it a colour of their choice different from any other Quest;
  chooses by Random Selection a "home" room from the set of all rooms
  not including Mornington Crescent, a "locate" room from the set of all
  rooms not including Mornington Crescent or the "home" room, and a
  "goal" room from the set of all rooms not including Mornington
  Crescent or the "home" or "locate" rooms; and rolls a 20-sided die. If
  the result of this roll is 17 or less, the value of the Quest will be
  that many brownie points; if 18 or greater, the value of the Quest
  will be one point of Puissance. If the player, having commenced
  creating a Quest, fails to complete this series of rolls by the end of
  the turn, he or she will receive one demerit and the Quest will not be
  added to the Roster.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr  7 19:16:27 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:16:27 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] impishness
In-Reply-To: <20030407084959.GA75207@spod-central.org>
References: <20030407084959.GA75207@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <26821186.1049746586@cornelius>

--On 7 April 2003 9:49 am +0100 Dylan O'Donnell <psmith@spod-central.org> 
wrote:

> Nay, on two admittedly fairly arbitrary grounds:
>
> we already have two prize tokens with value 7, and it'd be nice
> for the Treasure Imp to be different;

Well, ok; I might repropose when others have had a chance to respond to 
this one.

> what's the difference between the Null Imp and the Bottle Imp?

The Null Imp can be transferred using Magic Fingers? More to the point, 
neither the Null Imp nor the Bottle Imp does anything whatsoever just at 
the moment, but neither did the mind-control satellite uplink when it was 
proposed; I was just hoping to provide a bit of a focus for creativity.


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr  7 20:13:16 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:13:16 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] impishness
In-Reply-To: <26821186.1049746586@cornelius>
References: <20030407084959.GA75207@spod-central.org> <26821186.1049746586@cornelius>
Message-ID: <20030407201312.GA78912@spod-central.org>

Adam Biltcliffe wrote:
> --On 7 April 2003 9:49 am +0100 Dylan O'Donnell <psmith@spod-central.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> >what's the difference between the Null Imp and the Bottle Imp?
> 
> The Null Imp can be transferred using Magic Fingers?

Ah, yes. I withdraw this objection.

> I was just hoping to provide a bit of a focus for creativity.

Whereas this is a piece of true randomness. A proposal for one new rule:

  They Think It's All Over [Psmith]

  If at any time the location of The Holy Grail is a player, that
  player shall immediately win the game.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr  8 00:55:45 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 01:55:45 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] jwalrus
Message-ID: <47180532.1049766945@cornelius>

Having just been reminded that it's my turn ...

The Baron will move to Mornington Crescent and pick up the Golden Corknut. 
I will move to West of House, scoring 7bp for exploration.

If both of those moves are legal I'll end my turn; this causes West of 
House's visits to increase to 1 and, as a result, the Attic to become the 
Savage Wilderness.


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr  9 01:13:22 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:13:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Start of Jota's turn
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304082106500.65399-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

I'll start my turn by creating a quest. I shall name it "KiltQuest", and
its color is plaid. Now I'll roll for the home room:

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/




From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr  9 01:42:09 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:42:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Home Location, KiltQuest
Message-ID: <200304090142.h391g9u11644@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Home Location, KiltQuest

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 13.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr  9 01:17:43 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:17:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Start of Jota's turn
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304082106500.65399-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304082116030.65399-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

> I'll start my turn by creating a quest. I shall name it "KiltQuest", and
> its color is plaid. Now I'll roll for the home room:

I appear to have rolled 13, which I believe would refer to Washington, DC.
Next, I shall roll for the locate room...

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr  9 01:44:02 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:44:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Locate Room, KiltQuest
Message-ID: <200304090144.h391i2M11666@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----


Locate Room, KiltQuest

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 2.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr  9 01:20:45 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:20:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Start of Jota's turn
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304082116030.65399-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304082119250.65399-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

> I appear to have rolled 13, which I believe would refer to Washington, DC.
> Next, I shall roll for the locate room...

A 2. Apparently, Blasted Heath. Further, I'll select a goal room...

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr  9 01:47:25 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:47:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Goal Room, KiltQuest
Message-ID: <200304090147.h391lPC11703@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Goal Room, KiltQuest

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 16.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr  9 01:48:11 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:48:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Goal Room, KiltQuest
Message-ID: <200304090148.h391mBm11714@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Goal Room, KiltQuest

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 17.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr  9 01:48:22 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:48:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Goal Room, KiltQuest
Message-ID: <200304090148.h391mMQ11724@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Goal Room, KiltQuest

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Roll them bones ... your dice are 
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From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr  9 01:23:45 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:23:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Start of Jota's turn
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304082119250.65399-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304082122320.65399-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

> A 2. Apparently, Blasted Heath. Further, I'll select a goal room...

And after a couple false starts with values exceeding the number of rooms
on the list, I get a 10 -- the Servants' Quarters, if I judge correctly.
Finally, I'll give it a value...

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr  9 01:50:47 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:50:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Value, KiltQuest
Message-ID: <200304090150.h391olw11764@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Value, KiltQuest

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 20-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 16.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr  9 01:25:49 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:25:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Start of Jota's turn
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304082122320.65399-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304082125010.65399-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

> And after a couple false starts with values exceeding the number of rooms
> on the list, I get a 10 -- the Servants' Quarters, if I judge correctly.
> Finally, I'll give it a value...

16 brownie points, and KiltQuest is on the roster. And I'm not ending my
turn yet, of course.

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr  9 01:42:12 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:42:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Rest of Jota's Turn
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304082141310.65399-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

I move Grunk from Mornington Crescent to Saturn. If that's valid, and if
I'm also in Saturn, then a) I cause Grunk to drop the Scarlet Emerald, and
b) I pick it up.

If the above paragraph is all valid, I'll move myself from Saturn to
Washington, DC, which should give me A) a "plaid primary" token, and B)
one brownie point for exploration. If that is correct and legal, I now end
my turn.

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr  9 08:26:38 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:26:38 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Start of Jota's turn
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304082125010.65399-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304082122320.65399-100000@shelley.shelltown.net> <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304082125010.65399-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <20030409082638.GA31293@spod-central.org>

Admiral Jota wrote:
> > And after a couple false starts with values exceeding the number of rooms
> > on the list, I get a 10 -- the Servants' Quarters, if I judge correctly.
> > Finally, I'll give it a value...
> 
> 16 brownie points, and KiltQuest is on the roster.

And at the moment it entered the Roster, baf acquired a plaid primary
quest token, since he's currently in its home room.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 01:09:51 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:09:51 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] assault and battery
Message-ID: <49201618.1049940591@cornelius>

A proposal for a new Dark Gift:

Assault and Battery [jwalrus]

SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE BATTERY: No player may Fly from, into or through a 
room occupied by a player with a Surface-To-Air Missile Battery unless the 
latter player has posted to the List within the last 24 hours to say that 
they will allow the Flying player to do so.


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 01:18:55 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:18:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] My turn
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304091938010.16076-100000@baf.wurb.com>

First, I reduce Iraq's damage by 1 and declare the 7th letter of its
connection name (the second t in Ctblpotamia) to be nonconnective.  This
is not for any strategic reason; it just makes the map come out nicer in
Graphvis.  Iraq is no longer connected to the Servants' Quarters.

The rest of my turn required much agonizing, plotting, and
deliberation.  I'm pretty sure that the Quest isn't worth pursuing right
now.  So here's what I do:  I move to Saturn and I drop my bomb.

My turn is over.



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 01:24:25 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:24:25 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] assault and battery
In-Reply-To: <49201618.1049940591@cornelius>
References: <49201618.1049940591@cornelius>
Message-ID: <20030410012425.GA36991@spod-central.org>

Adam Biltcliffe wrote:
> A proposal for a new Dark Gift:
> 
> Assault and Battery [jwalrus]
> 
> SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE BATTERY: No player may Fly from, into or through a 
> room occupied by a player with a Surface-To-Air Missile Battery unless the 
> latter player has posted to the List within the last 24 hours to say that 
> they will allow the Flying player to do so.

Pedantic quibblery: 

a player with Flight doesn't fly "through" a room, he flies directly
to a room that happens to be connected to another particular room.

"last" would be better as "previous", I think.

"occupied by" is a synonym of "that is the location of"? (Yes, I know
the term is already used in Rule 90, but that mentions location
explicitly.)

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 01:27:03 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:27:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] assault and battery
In-Reply-To: <49201618.1049940591@cornelius>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304092126100.92839-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Adam Biltcliffe wrote:

> Assault and Battery [jwalrus]
>
> SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE BATTERY: No player may Fly from, into or through a
> room occupied by a player with a Surface-To-Air Missile Battery unless the
> latter player has posted to the List within the last 24 hours to say that
> they will allow the Flying player to do so.

This seems pretty powerful to me... I'm going to have to vote nay at the
moment, although I'd be up for any of a number of slightly reduced
versions of it.

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 01:55:12 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:55:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] assault and battery
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304092126100.92839-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304092032030.31445-100000@baf.wurb.com>


On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Admiral Jota wrote:

> This seems pretty powerful to me... I'm going to have to vote nay at the
> moment, although I'd be up for any of a number of slightly reduced
> versions of it.

I disagree: it seems pretty underpowered to me, as Dark Gifts go.  The
most it can do is prevent other players from doing some of the things that
you couldn't do either if you were in their place.



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 09:21:04 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:21:04 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: miscellaneous proposals
Message-ID: <20030410092104.GA39886@spod-central.org>

A mixed bag of proposals.

A proposal for two new rules, to regulate phased and conditional
orders:

  Present and Future Subjunctive [Psmith]

  Statements of intent may be posted to the list in advance, provided
  it is made clear when the player posting them intends them to take
  effect; they will take effect as if that player had posted them at
  that time.

  Statements of intent posted to the list may be made conditional upon
  aspects of the state of the game at the time that intent is due to
  take effect.

A proposal for the removal of one rule and the addition of one new
rule; this to move the winning score on somewhat, since the rate with
which it's being approached means the game looks as if it'll be over
before all the fun stuff recently added has a chance to properly kick
in, and that'd be a shame. The exact figure here is just a guess:

  Moving the Goalposts [Psmith]

  Remove Rule 15.

  Any player added to the game automatically receives 10 brownie
  points. Any player who manages to accrue three hundred and fifty
  (350) brownie points will immediately win the game.

A proposal for one new rule; giving the Bottle Imp something to do,
again:

  Imp Power [Psmith]

  If the location of the Bottle Imp becomes a player, or is a player at
  the time that this rule comes into effect, that player's Puissance
  shall be increased by one; if the location of the Bottle Imp ceases to
  be that player, that player's Puissance shall be decreased by one.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 10:21:44 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 06:21:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: miscellaneous proposals
In-Reply-To: <20030410092104.GA39886@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100538250.98119-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

>   Present and Future Subjunctive [Psmith]

Aye.

>   Moving the Goalposts [Psmith]

Aye. However -- as the player currently in the lead -- I'd like to see
some result to reaching 250 still, since that's the existing goal. How
about:

Throwing a Bone [Jota]

  The first player to accrue two hundred and fifty points will be
  considered to achieve "First Honors". If multiple players reach this
  number of brownie points simultaneously, each will be considered to
  achieve "Shared Honors".

Such a rule wouldn't necessarily have any in-game consequence, but yield
bragging rights for whoever earns it. (And given that I'm Public Enemy
Number One, I wouldn't assume that's going to be myself :) )

>   Imp Power [Psmith]

Aye. To go along with it:

Imp Sub-Power [Jota]

  If a player's servant is carrying the Bottle Imp, the player may cause
  his or her servant to steal a token from any other servant whose
  location is the same as the stealing servant, provided that A) the
  location in question is not a High Security Area, and B) the player
  whose servant is being stolen from is not also in the location in
  question. This may only be done on the player's turn, and only once per
  turn.

Imp Magnetism [Jota]

  A player carrying the bottle imp may not take an action by posting
  individual intent if as a possible immediate consequence it could cause
  the Bottle Imp's location to change.

Imp Ant-Power [Jota]

  Any player whose brownie point tally should be raised to three hundred
  fifty or more while that player is holding the Bottle Imp will instead
  have their brownie point tally reduced to fifty. Any player whose
  brownie point tally should be raised to three hundred fifty or more
  while that player's servant is holding the Bottle Imp will instead have
  the brownie point tally reduced to one hundred fifty

-- 

                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 10:28:57 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 06:28:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] assault and battery
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304092032030.31445-100000@baf.wurb.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100627360.98119-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Carl Muckenhoupt wrote:

> I disagree: it seems pretty underpowered to me, as Dark Gifts go.  The
> most it can do is prevent other players from doing some of the things that
> you couldn't do either if you were in their place.

OK, if I'm in the minority, I'll drop that objection. (Although I won't
bother changing my vote just yet, because of Ps' objections.)

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 10:56:15 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:56:15 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: miscellaneous proposals
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100538250.98119-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
References: <20030410092104.GA39886@spod-central.org> <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100538250.98119-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <20030410105615.GB40355@spod-central.org>

Admiral Jota wrote:
> Throwing a Bone [Jota]
> 
>   The first player to accrue two hundred and fifty points will be
>   considered to achieve "First Honors". If multiple players reach this
>   number of brownie points simultaneously, each will be considered to
>   achieve "Shared Honors".

Aye. A proposal for a change to the Table of Synonyms, though:

  Point, Counterpoint [Psmith]

  Add the entry "points" to the row containing "brownie points".

(baf, you have "bp = brownie points" and "brownie points = brown
points" as separate rows; I believe they should all be on one row, by
my Synonymery proposal. Not that it makes any effective difference.)

> Imp Sub-Power [Jota]

Aye.

> Imp Magnetism [Jota]
> 
>   A player carrying the bottle imp may not take an action by posting
>   individual intent if as a possible immediate consequence it could cause
>   the Bottle Imp's location to change.

Aye.

> Imp Ant-Power [Jota]

Aye, though I'm somewhat concerned by its specifying the winning
number explicitly; what if we decide to Move the Goalposts again?

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 11:07:46 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:07:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] Yoohoo, Mr. Bus Driver! [Jota]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0303281018320.30421-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100702090.98898-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

The following proposal has been ratified by all players (explicitly by Ps
and jwal; implicitly by the rest of us). Thus, it goes into effect an hour
from now, as three -- well, like it says.

> Yoohoo, Mr. Bus Driver! [Jota]
>
> Enact the following as three new rules:
>
>   If the active player or his/her servant is carrying The Bus Driver's
>   Lunchbox, that player may choose to "sacrifice" The Bus Driver's
>   Lunchbox. To do so, the active player must roll a die whose size is the
>   same as the one determining The Bus Driver's Lunchbox's value. The
>   player loses a number of brownie points equal to the result of this die.
>
>   Immediately after sacrificing The Bus Driver's Lunchbox, the active
>   player may choose a room by random selection from all rooms not
>   including the location of the entity carrying The Bus Driver's Lunchbox.
>   When this happens, the location of the Magic Omnibus is set to that of
>   the entity carrying The Bus Driver's Lunchbox, and the location of The
>   Bus Driver's Lunchbox is set to the result of the random selection. This
>   opportunity is lost if the active player's turn ends before it's done.
>
>   When the location of The Bus Driver's Lunchbox is changed as a result of
>   sacrificing it, the size of the die used to determine its value will be
>   set to the size of the next larger available die. (If no such larger die
>   is available, the token will cease to exist.) Further, the player
>   responsible is prohibited from taking any action which would cause it to
>   come into the possession of that player or that player's servant until
>   after the token has been picked up by at least one other player or
>   servant.

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 11:18:00 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:18:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: miscellaneous proposals
In-Reply-To: <20030410105615.GB40355@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100713150.98898-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

>   Point, Counterpoint [Psmith]

Aye.

> > Imp Ant-Power [Jota]
>
> Aye, though I'm somewhat concerned by its specifying the winning
> number explicitly; what if we decide to Move the Goalposts again?

I was concerned about phrasing the rule in any way that referred to
"winning", since winning itself ends the game -- I wanted to ensure that
the player was prevented from actually reaching the number of bp in
question. If you want to propose a functionally equivalent phrasing that
you like better, feel free.

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 11:24:22 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:24:22 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Dark Gift: Lucky Stiff
In-Reply-To: <6813967.1048994803@cornelius>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0303281720310.38765-100000@shelley.shelltown.net> <6813967.1048994803@cornelius>
Message-ID: <20030410112421.GA40574@spod-central.org>

Adam Biltcliffe wrote:
> 
> 
> --On 28 March 2003 5:23 pm -0500 Admiral Jota <nomic02@wurb.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Carbol, Roger wrote:
> >
> >>I suggest the following Dark Gift:
> >>
> >>LUCKY STIFF: [...]
> >
> >I'm happy with that dark gift, but I think it needs to be
> >formally proposed (with a separate proposal name including the
> >bracketed proposer name, in addition to the dark gift name ...
> 
> In addition, I'd like a more precise definition of what it means to 
> "immediately" reroll.

A proposal for a new Dark Gift, based on this idea.

  Lucky Stiff [Psmith]

  LUCKY STIFF: A player who is a Lucky Stiff may, at most once per turn,
  designate a die roll he or she is about to make as a "swing roll". A
  player who is a Lucky Stiff may nullify the result of a swing roll
  (and cause the state of the game to be such as if that result had
  never occurred) by making another die roll for the same event, which
  shall also be considered a swing roll. Such nullification may be done
  at most twice per turn, and may not be done after a non-swing roll has
  been made.

In this version, unlike Roger's, you need to specify in advance which
roll is going to be rerollable, and hence I've given you two rerolls
to compensate for that.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 11:30:17 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:30:17 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: miscellaneous proposals
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100713150.98898-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
References: <20030410105615.GB40355@spod-central.org> <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100713150.98898-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <20030410113017.GB40574@spod-central.org>

Admiral Jota wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> > > Imp Ant-Power [Jota]
> >
> > Aye, though I'm somewhat concerned by its specifying the winning
> > number explicitly; what if we decide to Move the Goalposts again?
> 
> I was concerned about phrasing the rule in any way that referred to
> "winning", since winning itself ends the game -- I wanted to ensure that
> the player was prevented from actually reaching the number of bp in
> question. If you want to propose a functionally equivalent phrasing that
> you like better, feel free.

I could, but it'd need to wait for Moving the Goalposts [Psmith] to be
ratified, since it'd have a rule-reference pointing at whatever number
that comes into effect as (which could then be modified under the
aegis of Rule 35 by any future goalpost-moving proposal).

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 11:33:38 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:33:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] impishness
In-Reply-To: <25424368.1049665327@cornelius>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100732190.99241-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

On Sun, 6 Apr 2003, Adam Biltcliffe wrote:

> Impishness [jwalrus]

Looks like I neglected to vote on this. (I think I was hoping that more
Bottle Imp stuff would happen first. And then forgot.) Anyway, aye.


-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 11:48:49 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:48:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] impishness
In-Reply-To: <20030407201312.GA78912@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100737270.99241-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

>   They Think It's All Over [Psmith]
>
>   If at any time the location of The Holy Grail is a player, that
>   player shall immediately win the game.

Nay. Since there is no entity in the game called "The Holy Grail", the
only thing it can refer to is the drinking vessel used at the last supper.
Because the cup of the carpenter isn't a part of the game, it doesn't have
a "location" in the sense that we've been using the term. Thus, I feel
this rule is ambiguous and inappropriate. If you had instead said "...the
location of any token whose name is 'The Holy Grail'...", that'd be
different.

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 12:04:32 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:04:32 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] impishness
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100737270.99241-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
References: <20030407201312.GA78912@spod-central.org> <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100737270.99241-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <20030410120431.GA40878@spod-central.org>

Admiral Jota wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> 
> >   They Think It's All Over [Psmith]
> >
> >   If at any time the location of The Holy Grail is a player, that
> >   player shall immediately win the game.
> 
> Nay. Since there is no entity in the game called "The Holy Grail", the
> only thing it can refer to is the drinking vessel used at the last supper.
> Because the cup of the carpenter isn't a part of the game, it doesn't have
> a "location" in the sense that we've been using the term. Thus, I feel
> this rule is ambiguous and inappropriate. If you had instead said "...the
> location of any token whose name is 'The Holy Grail'...", that'd be
> different.

Hmm. I was fairly certain that we had had rules that referred to
tokens before those tokens actually entering the game, but looking at
the ruleset, I appear to be wrong. In any case, I declare this
proposal dead.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 12:08:20 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:08:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Dark Gift: Lucky Stiff
In-Reply-To: <20030410112421.GA40574@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100759200.99241-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

> In this version, unlike Roger's, you need to specify in advance which
> roll is going to be rerollable, and hence I've given you two rerolls
> to compensate for that.

I'd be more comfortable if the restriction that the die had to be rerolled
before the end of the turn was made more explicit, since I'm not sure this
version is actually clear on *when* specifically the roll had to take
place -- just on how often it could be done.

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 12:20:13 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:20:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: miscellaneous proposals
In-Reply-To: <20030410113017.GB40574@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100818220.99241-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

> I could, but it'd need to wait for Moving the Goalposts [Psmith] to be
> ratified, since it'd have a rule-reference pointing at whatever number
> that comes into effect as (which could then be modified under the
> aegis of Rule 35 by any future goalpost-moving proposal).

Wouldn't that have the exact same problem? To wit, needing to be repealed
and replaced in the case of a post re-moval?

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 12:31:55 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:31:55 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Dark Gift: Lucky Stiff
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100759200.99241-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
References: <20030410112421.GA40574@spod-central.org> <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100759200.99241-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <20030410123154.GA41057@spod-central.org>

Admiral Jota wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> 
> > In this version, unlike Roger's, you need to specify in advance which
> > roll is going to be rerollable, and hence I've given you two rerolls
> > to compensate for that.
> 
> I'd be more comfortable if the restriction that the die had to be rerolled
> before the end of the turn was made more explicit, since I'm not sure this
> version is actually clear on *when* specifically the roll had to take
> place -- just on how often it could be done.

You're probably right (this is a consequence of my trying not to
restrict Lucky Stiff rerolling to the active player), so nay on Lucky
Stiff [Psmith], and a new proposal for a new Dark Gift::

  Lucky Stiff II [Psmith]

  LUCKY STIFF: A player who is a Lucky Stiff may, at most once per turn,
  designate a die roll he or she is about to make as a "swing roll". A
  player who is a Lucky Stiff may nullify the result of a swing roll
  (and cause the state of the game to be such as if that result had
  never occurred) by making another die roll for the same event, which
  shall also be considered a swing roll. Such nullification may be done
  at most twice per turn, and may not be done after a non-swing roll has
  been made or the turn in which the swing roll occurred has ended.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 12:34:41 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:34:41 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: miscellaneous proposals
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100818220.99241-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
References: <20030410113017.GB40574@spod-central.org> <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100818220.99241-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <20030410123441.GB41057@spod-central.org>

Admiral Jota wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> 
> > I could, but it'd need to wait for Moving the Goalposts [Psmith] to be
> > ratified, since it'd have a rule-reference pointing at whatever number
> > that comes into effect as (which could then be modified under the
> > aegis of Rule 35 by any future goalpost-moving proposal).
> 
> Wouldn't that have the exact same problem? To wit, needing to be repealed
> and replaced in the case of a post re-moval?

No, since the post re-moval proposal could change the rule-reference
_in situ_; this was the whole point of Pointer-chasing [Psmith].

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 12:52:24 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:52:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Dark Gift: Lucky Stiff
In-Reply-To: <20030410123154.GA41057@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100848001.166-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

> so nay on Lucky Stiff [Psmith],

Dead.

>   Lucky Stiff II [Psmith]

Aye.

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 14:35:05 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carbol, Roger)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:35:05 -0600
Subject: [Nomic02] Dark Gift: Lucky Stiff
Message-ID: <EF590AA19DB8C445A9541C1D98191F9437C0EC@COCMAIL2.coc.ca>

>   Lucky Stiff II [Psmith]
=20
Aye.


Looks good to me, and fixes some of the semantic problems
that were vexing me.




..Roger


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From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 14:49:44 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:49:44 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: Psmith's turn
Message-ID: <20030410144944.GA41821@spod-central.org>

Or at least some of it; it's Quest-creation time!

The name of the Quest is The McGuffin of Doom
The colour of the Quest is black.
The home room of the Quest is...

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 15:17:52 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:17:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] McGuffin home
Message-ID: <200304101517.h3AFHqi35113@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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McGuffin home

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 15.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 14:53:41 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:53:41 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: Psmith's turn
In-Reply-To: <20030410144944.GA41821@spod-central.org>
References: <20030410144944.GA41821@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <20030410145341.GA41874@spod-central.org>

Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> Or at least some of it; it's Quest-creation time!
> 
> The name of the Quest is The McGuffin of Doom
> The colour of the Quest is black.
> The home room of the Quest is...

West of Nowhere (15).

The locate room of the Quest is...

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 15:20:53 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:20:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] McGuffin locate
Message-ID: <200304101520.h3AFKrm35183@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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McGuffin locate

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 6.

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(Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)


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From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 14:56:57 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:56:57 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: Psmith's turn
In-Reply-To: <20030410145341.GA41874@spod-central.org>
References: <20030410144944.GA41821@spod-central.org> <20030410145341.GA41874@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <20030410145657.GB41874@spod-central.org>

Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> > Or at least some of it; it's Quest-creation time!
> > 
> > The name of the Quest is The McGuffin of Doom
> > The colour of the Quest is black.
> > The home room of the Quest is...
> 
> West of Nowhere (15).
> 
> The locate room of the Quest is...

The House of Commons (6).

The goal room of the Quest is...

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 15:25:03 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:25:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] McGuffin goal
Message-ID: <200304101525.h3AFP3235371@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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McGuffin goal

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Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 1.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 15:01:42 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:01:42 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: Psmith's turn
In-Reply-To: <20030410145657.GB41874@spod-central.org>
References: <20030410144944.GA41821@spod-central.org> <20030410145341.GA41874@spod-central.org> <20030410145657.GB41874@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <20030410150141.GC41874@spod-central.org>

Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> > Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> > > Or at least some of it; it's Quest-creation time!
> > > 
> > > The name of the Quest is The McGuffin of Doom
> > > The colour of the Quest is black.
> > > The home room of the Quest is...
> > 
> > West of Nowhere (15).
> > 
> > The locate room of the Quest is...
> 
> The House of Commons (6).
> 
> The goal room of the Quest is...

Attic (1).

The value of the Quest is...

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 15:28:51 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:28:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] McGuffin value
Message-ID: <200304101528.h3AFSpN35440@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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McGuffin value

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 20-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 14.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 15:07:54 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:07:54 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: Psmith's turn
In-Reply-To: <20030410150141.GC41874@spod-central.org>
References: <20030410144944.GA41821@spod-central.org> <20030410145341.GA41874@spod-central.org> <20030410145657.GB41874@spod-central.org> <20030410150141.GC41874@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <20030410150753.GA42026@spod-central.org>

Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> Or at least some of it; it's Quest-creation time!

The name of the Quest is The McGuffin of Doom.
The colour of the Quest is black.
The home room of the Quest is West of Nowhere.
The locate room of the Quest is The House of Commons.
The goal room of the Quest is Attic.
The value of the Quest is 14 brownie points.

Turn to continue at some point soonish.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 16:07:32 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:07:32 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: more Psmith's turn
Message-ID: <20030410160732.GA42336@spod-central.org>

Ok. Gideon Crawle is in Mornington Crescent, and has been for all of
this turn. Jota is in Washington, DC.  These two rooms are connected,
and Gideon Crawle is carrying a cherry pie.  Soo...

I have Gideon Crawle throw a cherry pie at Admiral Jota. Dieroll
coming up.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 16:36:28 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:36:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Cherry pie heading Jotawards
Message-ID: <200304101636.h3AGaSf36127@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Cherry pie heading Jotawards

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Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 4.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 16:18:10 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:18:10 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: more Psmith's turn
In-Reply-To: <20030410160732.GA42336@spod-central.org>
References: <20030410160732.GA42336@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <20030410161809.GB42336@spod-central.org>

Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> Ok. Gideon Crawle is in Mornington Crescent, and has been for all of
> this turn. Jota is in Washington, DC.  These two rooms are connected,
> and Gideon Crawle is carrying a cherry pie.  Soo...
> 
> I have Gideon Crawle throw a cherry pie at Admiral Jota. Dieroll
> coming up.

And a 4, being even, is a hit. Yay! So:

The cherry pie is removed from the game.
Jota drops the Bus Driver's Lunchbox and the Scarlet Emerald.
Jota drops his bomb, which is immediately removed from the game
  (Washington, DC being a high-security area).
Jota drops the plaid primary token, and a new one is immediately created
  for him (since he's still in KiltQuest's home room).

I acquired a black primary token in West of Nowhere when The McGuffin
of Doom Quest was created; I now move from there to Washington, DC,
acquire a plaid primary token, and get a 1 bp exploration bonus.

I pick up the Bus Driver's Lunchbox, the Scarlet Emerald, and the
plaid primary token that's there (which is removed from the game
together with mine, and a new one created for me; this action
sponsored by the Keep Nomic Tidy Group).

My turn is completed. It is jwalrus' turn. Washington, DC now has 8
visits.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 20:44:00 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:44:00 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] assault and battery
In-Reply-To: <20030410012425.GA36991@spod-central.org>
References: <20030410012425.GA36991@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <31180104.1050011040@cornelius>

If Jota's no longer objecting on fundamental grounds, which he seems not to 
be, I'll declare Assault and Battery [jwalrus] dead and propose instead:

Further Assault and Battery [jwalrus]

SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE BATTERY: If a room is the location of a player with 
a Surface-To-Air Missile Battery, no other player may consider that room 
connected to any other room at all for the purposes of Flying, unless the 
former player has posted to the List within the previous 24 hours to say 
that they will permit the flying player to do so.


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 20:57:04 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:57:04 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] first part of jwalrus' turn
Message-ID: <31964372.1050011824@cornelius>

thirty-three Nomic emails in the last eighteen hours? insane.

I'm not quite sure what I'm going to do with my turn, but it starts with 
dropping Adam Biltcliffe's bomb, which I'll do now.


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 21:04:55 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:04:55 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] various votes
In-Reply-To: <20030410092104.GA39886@spod-central.org>
References: <20030410092104.GA39886@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <32434638.1050012294@cornelius>

I hereby vote "Aye" on all the following proposals:

Present and Future Subjunctive [Psmith]
Moving the Goalposts [Psmith]
Lucky Stiff II [Psmith]
Imp Magnetism [Jota]
Imp Ant-Power [Jota]

I'd also like to mention that I intend to vote in favour of both Imp Power 
[Psmith] and Imp Sub-Power [Jota], but I'm withholding from that for now 
until Imp Ant-Power [Jota] is ratified.

jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 10 22:31:18 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:31:18 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] assault and battery
In-Reply-To: <31180104.1050011040@cornelius>
References: <20030410012425.GA36991@spod-central.org> <31180104.1050011040@cornelius>
Message-ID: <20030410223117.GA44491@spod-central.org>

Adam Biltcliffe wrote:
> If Jota's no longer objecting on fundamental grounds, which he seems not to 
> be, I'll declare Assault and Battery [jwalrus] dead and propose instead:
> 
> Further Assault and Battery [jwalrus]

Aye.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 01:10:53 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 02:10:53 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] jw creates a quest
Message-ID: <47193450.1050027053@cornelius>

Ok, I figure there's no harm in having three quests on the roster, so here 
we go ... I'll just post once at the end with all the question information, 
to avoid sending quite so many emails.

The NAME of the quest is "happy flowers quest".
The COLOUR of the quest is "buttercup yellow".

Further details coming right up after these die rolls ...


From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 01:40:47 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:40:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] happy flower quest home
Message-ID: <200304110140.h3B1elj42943@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Roll them bones ... your dice are 
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From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 01:41:41 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:41:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] happy flower quest locate
Message-ID: <200304110141.h3B1fft42970@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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happy flower quest locate

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 18.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 01:42:01 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:42:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] happy flower quest locate (reroll)
Message-ID: <200304110142.h3B1g1O42987@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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happy flower quest locate (reroll)

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 7.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 01:42:41 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:42:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] happy flower quest goal
Message-ID: <200304110142.h3B1gfA43021@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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happy flower quest goal

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 6.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 01:43:36 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:43:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] happy flower quest value
Message-ID: <200304110143.h3B1haQ43044@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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happy flower quest value

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Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 2.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 01:21:55 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 02:21:55 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] jw creates a quest
In-Reply-To: <47193450.1050027053@cornelius>
References: <47193450.1050027053@cornelius>
Message-ID: <47854921.1050027715@cornelius>

Well, it would appear that I've just created the most pointless quest ever. 
The details in full:

Name:	happy flower quest
Colour:	buttercup yellow
Home:	The
Locate:	Iraq
Goal:	the House of Commons
Value:	2

Good luck with that one, everybody.


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 02:08:18 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 03:08:18 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] and the rest of jwalrus' turn
Message-ID: <50638514.1050030498@cornelius>

Ok, a rather contorted sequence of actions coming up now: firstly, I cause 
the monkey to pick up the Bottle Imp, decreasing the mind-control satellite 
uplink's power supply charge level to 3.

Next, as Carl Muckenhoupt's bomb has exploded on Saturn since the start of 
my turn, I declare the final 'n' of 'Saturn' to be nonconnective, 
disconnecting Saturn from Mornington Crescent.

Baron Greenback will then drop the Golden Corknut (earning me 14 brownie 
points) and then move to the House of Commons.

I shall then change the first letter of 'Ctb*p**ami*' to a 'W'. This 
decrements my brownie points by 2, disconnects Iraq from Central Park and 
connects it to West of House, West of Nowhere and Washington, DC.

If all of that's legal I then perform the following actions:

I pick up Adam Biltcliffe's bomb which I dropped earlier this turn in a 
moment of confusion and move to Iraq, scoring 4 brownie points for 
exploration.

I cause the monkey to move to Iraq as well, decreasing the mind control 
satellite uplink's power supply charge level to 2, and then steal the 
Explorer's Compass from it.

Finally, I pay another 2 brownie points to change the 'W' of 'Wtb*p**ami*' 
to a 'B'. This disconnects Iraq from West of House, West of Nowhere and 
Washington, DC, and connects it to Blasted Heath and, on Tuesdays, to 
Brigadoon. Iraq's damage tally, if I am not mistaken, is now 0.

If all this is proper and correct, I end my turn, and Iraq will have five 
visits.



jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 03:03:59 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:03:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: miscellaneous proposals
In-Reply-To: <20030410092104.GA39886@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304102200180.23175-100000@baf.wurb.com>


>   Present and Future Subjunctive [Psmith]

Aye.

>   Moving the Goalposts [Psmith]

Nay.  This game has already eaten too much of my life, and quitting
wouldn't help because I'd still feel obliged to keep the website
up-to-date.

>   Imp Power [Psmith]

Aye.  I was going to propose something along these lines myself.




From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 03:20:40 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:20:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: miscellaneous proposals
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100538250.98119-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304102206170.23175-100000@baf.wurb.com>


On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Admiral Jota wrote:

> Throwing a Bone [Jota]

Aye.  With my veto of Moving the Goalposts, first honors is equivalent to
winning, but hey, why not?

> Imp Sub-Power [Jota]

Hm.  Nay.  I'd vote for this as a Dark Power, though.

> Imp Magnetism [Jota]

Aye.  An alternative to this is to make the imp curse "sticky" - to make
it apply to the most recent player to hold it, even if that player is no
longer holding it.  But the last time I proposed something like that, it
was deemed too harsh.

> Imp Ant-Power [Jota]

Nay, but I'd agree to this with the "350 brownie points" changed to
"enough brownie points to win the game" or somesuch.  Even if I'm
persuaded to change my vote on the Goalposts, we could easily move the
goalposts again.




From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 03:22:49 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:22:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: miscellaneous proposals
In-Reply-To: <20030410105615.GB40355@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304102221100.23175-100000@baf.wurb.com>

>   Point, Counterpoint [Psmith]

Aye.  This does bring us into the realm of recursive expansions, but I'm
okay with that.




From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 03:24:45 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:24:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] Dark Gift: Lucky Stiff
In-Reply-To: <20030410112421.GA40574@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304102224300.23175-100000@baf.wurb.com>


>   Lucky Stiff [Psmith]

aye




From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 03:35:55 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:35:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] Dark Gift: Lucky Stiff
In-Reply-To: <20030410123154.GA41057@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304102235430.23175-100000@baf.wurb.com>


On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

>   Lucky Stiff II [Psmith]

aye




From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 03:39:35 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:39:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] assault and battery
In-Reply-To: <31180104.1050011040@cornelius>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304102239220.23175-100000@baf.wurb.com>


On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Adam Biltcliffe wrote:

> Further Assault and Battery [jwalrus]

aye




From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 04:21:08 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:21:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] and the rest of jwalrus' turn
In-Reply-To: <50638514.1050030498@cornelius>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304102308360.23175-100000@baf.wurb.com>

jwalrus asked me to proofread his orders, but I didn't notice the
following problem until now.  I hope he reads this in time to submit
corrections before the end of his turn.

On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Adam Biltcliffe wrote:

> Ok, a rather contorted sequence of actions coming up now: firstly, I cause 
> the monkey to pick up the Bottle Imp, decreasing the mind-control satellite 
> uplink's power supply charge level to 3.

This is invalid.  The monkey is already carrying the Explorer's Compass,
and thus cannot pick up another token (rule 100).

> Next, as Carl Muckenhoupt's bomb has exploded on Saturn since the start of 
> my turn, I declare the final 'n' of 'Saturn' to be nonconnective, 
> disconnecting Saturn from Mornington Crescent.
> 
> Baron Greenback will then drop the Golden Corknut (earning me 14 brownie 
> points) and then move to the House of Commons.
> 
> I shall then change the first letter of 'Ctb*p**ami*' to a 'W'. This 
> decrements my brownie points by 2, disconnects Iraq from Central Park and 
> connects it to West of House, West of Nowhere and Washington, DC.

This all is valid.

> If all of that's legal I then perform the following actions:

Since not all of that is legal, I think this makes all subsequent actions
void.



From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 08:58:04 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:58:04 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Ratified: Subjunctive Stiffs
Message-ID: <20030411085803.GA48020@spod-central.org>

The following proposals have been agreed unanimously (explicitly by
Jota, jwalrus, and baf, implicitly by Roger and me) and will come into
effect as Rules 146 and 147 and a new Dark Gift respectively in one
hour from the timestamp of this message.

  Present and Future Subjunctive [Psmith]

  Statements of intent may be posted to the list in advance, provided
  it is made clear when the player posting them intends them to take
  effect; they will take effect as if that player had posted them at
  that time.

  Statements of intent posted to the list may be made conditional upon
  aspects of the state of the game at the time that intent is due to
  take effect.


  Lucky Stiff II [Psmith]

  LUCKY STIFF: A player who is a Lucky Stiff may, at most once per turn,
  designate a die roll he or she is about to make as a "swing roll". A
  player who is a Lucky Stiff may nullify the result of a swing roll
  (and cause the state of the game to be such as if that result had
  never occurred) by making another die roll for the same event, which
  shall also be considered a swing roll. Such nullification may be done
  at most twice per turn, and may not be done after a non-swing roll has
  been made or the turn in which the swing roll occurred has ended.


-- 
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:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 09:02:05 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:02:05 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: miscellaneous proposals
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304102200180.23175-100000@baf.wurb.com>
References: <20030410092104.GA39886@spod-central.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304102200180.23175-100000@baf.wurb.com>
Message-ID: <20030411090205.GB48020@spod-central.org>

Carl Muckenhoupt wrote:
> >   Moving the Goalposts [Psmith]
> 
> Nay.  This game has already eaten too much of my life, and quitting
> wouldn't help because I'd still feel obliged to keep the website
> up-to-date.

I would be happy to offer to take over the updating of the website
with the exception of the map images; would that help?

(It'd mean losing the cross-checking of nomic-turns, so you guys would
need to keep a still closer eye on me for mistakes...)

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:   "Hello. Well, that was the sound of Roger's Wah-Wah Rabbits, you heard   :
:   them eating endives there, that's very cheap at this time of the year.   :
:   [...] But now we're going to talk about shirts."    -- Bonzo Dog Band    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 11 17:33:00 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:33:00 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] and the rest of jwalrus' turn
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304102308360.23175-100000@baf.wurb.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304102308360.23175-100000@baf.wurb.com>
Message-ID: <26548474.1050085979@cornelius>


--On 10 April 2003 11:21 pm -0500 Carl Muckenhoupt <nomic02@wurb.com> wrote:

>
> jwalrus asked me to proofread his orders, but I didn't notice the
> following problem until now.  I hope he reads this in time to submit
> corrections before the end of his turn.
>
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Adam Biltcliffe wrote:
>
>> Ok, a rather contorted sequence of actions coming up now: firstly, I
>> cause  the monkey to pick up the Bottle Imp, decreasing the mind-control
>> satellite  uplink's power supply charge level to 3.
>
> This is invalid.  The monkey is already carrying the Explorer's Compass,
> and thus cannot pick up another token (rule 100).
>
>> Next, as Carl Muckenhoupt's bomb has exploded on Saturn since the start
>> of  my turn, I declare the final 'n' of 'Saturn' to be nonconnective,
>> disconnecting Saturn from Mornington Crescent.
>>
>> Baron Greenback will then drop the Golden Corknut (earning me 14 brownie
>> points) and then move to the House of Commons.
>>
>> I shall then change the first letter of 'Ctb*p**ami*' to a 'W'. This
>> decrements my brownie points by 2, disconnects Iraq from Central Park
>> and  connects it to West of House, West of Nowhere and Washington, DC.
>
> This all is valid.
>
>> If all of that's legal I then perform the following actions:
>
> Since not all of that is legal, I think this makes all subsequent actions
> void.

Well, bugger. The most frustrating thing is that I moved various of the 
instructions for my turn around in that post and didn't actually intend for 
a failure on the monkey's part to invalidate everything else.

Oh well.


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Sun Apr 13 21:47:23 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:47:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Phase 28
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304131638060.25064-100000@baf.wurb.com>

Banford picks up the Golden Corknut, then drops it for 14 points.  Its new
destination is Zrblm.

I move Banford to The North Pole.

I pick up the plaid primary, then move myself to Attic for a 7 bp
exploration bonus.

I repair Iraq's last point of damage, making its first letter
nonconnective.

My turn is over.




From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr 14 14:38:42 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carbol, Roger)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:38:42 -0600
Subject: [Nomic02] Ratified: Subjunctive Stiffs
Message-ID: <EF590AA19DB8C445A9541C1D98191F9437C0F1@COCMAIL2.coc.ca>

> The following proposals have been agreed unanimously (explicitly by
> Jota, jwalrus, and baf, implicitly by Roger and me)

>   Lucky Stiff II [Psmith]


Actually, I explicitly voted for this one, just for the record.




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From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr 14 15:04:54 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:04:54 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Ratified: Subjunctive Stiffs
In-Reply-To: <EF590AA19DB8C445A9541C1D98191F9437C0F1@COCMAIL2.coc.ca>
References: <EF590AA19DB8C445A9541C1D98191F9437C0F1@COCMAIL2.coc.ca>
Message-ID: <20030414150454.GA75152@spod-central.org>

Carbol, Roger wrote:
> > The following proposals have been agreed unanimously (explicitly by
> > Jota, jwalrus, and baf, implicitly by Roger and me)
> 
> >   Lucky Stiff II [Psmith]
> 
> 
> Actually, I explicitly voted for this one, just for the record.

So you did; my apologies. I don't believe this invalidates the
ratification, though I could be wrong.

(I'd already recorded your implicit vote in my outstanding-proposal
file, and forgot to change it to being explicit when I read your
mail.)

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr 14 17:30:41 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:30:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Ratified: Subjunctive Stiffs
In-Reply-To: <20030414150454.GA75152@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304141326560.74893-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

> > > The following proposals have been agreed unanimously (explicitly by
> > > Jota, jwalrus, and baf, implicitly by Roger and me)

> So you did; my apologies. I don't believe this invalidates the
> ratification, though I could be wrong.

It shouldn't. For one, you could reasonably argue that the parenthetical
comment is in *addition* to the voting summary, rather than a *part* of
it. And for another, Roger *did* vote on it implicitly, the moment it was
proposed. When he re-affirmed it, I don't think he was actually *changing*
his vote at all; his vote just became both implicit and explicit.


-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr 14 18:15:31 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:15:31 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: Psmith's turn
Message-ID: <20030414181530.GA76152@spod-central.org>

Some prefatory notes:

* Grunk was returned to the Servants' Quarters when Jota's turn timed
  out, since both he and baf were in Saturn;
* West of House is the current Savage Wilderness.

(Neither of these are of particular relevance to my turn, but it's as
well that they're mentioned on the list.)

Gideon Crawle picks up the golden corknut and moves to The House
of Commons.

I fly from Washington, DC to Blasted Heath (both being connected to
the House of Commons), which means my plaid primary quest token
becomes a plaid secondary, and I gain a 5 bp exploration bonus.

I drop the Bus Driver's Lunchbox. Die-roll coming up...

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr 14 18:44:58 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:44:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Lunchbox value
Message-ID: <200304141844.h3EIiwE32966@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Lunchbox value

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Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 6.

Mail was sent to you at nomic02@wurb.com.
(Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)


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From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr 14 18:45:37 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:45:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Lunchbox location
Message-ID: <200304141845.h3EIjbU33010@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Lunchbox location

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 10.

Mail was sent to you at nomic02@wurb.com.
(Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)


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From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr 14 18:22:35 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:22:35 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: Psmith's turn
In-Reply-To: <20030414181530.GA76152@spod-central.org>
References: <20030414181530.GA76152@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <20030414182234.GB76152@spod-central.org>

Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> I drop the Bus Driver's Lunchbox. Die-roll coming up...

... and I score 6 bp for it, and it goes to Saturn with a 9-sided
value die.

My turn is completed. It is jwalrus' turn. Blasted Heath now has 4
visits.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 15 16:03:04 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:03:04 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Ratified: Point, Counterpoint
Message-ID: <20030415160304.GA83290@spod-central.org>

The following proposal has been agreed unanimously (explicitly by Jota
and baf, implicitly by Roger, jwalrus, and me) and will come into
effect modifying the Table of Synonyms in one hour from the timestamp
of this message.

  Point, Counterpoint [Psmith]

  Add the entry "points" to the row containing "brownie points".

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 15 23:44:20 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:44:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304151824080.27982-100000@baf.wurb.com>

Psmith, I appreciate your offer, but (a) the error-checking seems very
important, as the current complexity of the rules means we're both making
mistakes fairly frequently, and (b) the map is actually the most
time-consuming part of the site, so letting someone else do everything
*but* the map wouldn't help much.

I do have some hopes that the map will become easier to maintain now that
all the current damage has been healed.

If people really want to extend the game, I'm willing to change my vote.  
But we seem to be in one of those periodic lulls where people are
forgetting their turns.  This is actually another concern I have with
moving the goalposts: if we move them every time there's interest in
continuing the game, then the only time the game can end is after everyone
has already lost interest.  I don't want that to happen.  It's lame when
nomic fizzles out.  We have an ending that we agreed to some time ago, and
I think it would be good to stick to it.

But since this lull started immediately after my refusal to cooperate on
moving the goalposts, I'm worried that I may be actually causing the
fizzle instead of preventing it.  So: I change my vote on Moving the
Goalposts [Psmith] to Aye.  But please, let's not do a Sonny Bono on this
and keep extending the game indefinitely.



From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr 16 08:27:24 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:27:24 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] stuff
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304151824080.27982-100000@baf.wurb.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304151824080.27982-100000@baf.wurb.com>
Message-ID: <20030416082723.GA88648@spod-central.org>

Carl Muckenhoupt wrote:
> Psmith, I appreciate your offer, but (a) the error-checking seems very
> important, as the current complexity of the rules means we're both making
> mistakes fairly frequently, and (b) the map is actually the most
> time-consuming part of the site, so letting someone else do everything
> *but* the map wouldn't help much.

That's fair enough. (Access _to_ edit the website could still be
handy, though, to update omissions directly if they're simple fixes.)

> I do have some hopes that the map will become easier to maintain now that
> all the current damage has been healed.

With the exception of West of House's one point from jwalrus' bomb.

(I now fully expect to see that be healed on your next turn...)

> If people really want to extend the game, I'm willing to change my vote.  
> But we seem to be in one of those periodic lulls where people are
> forgetting their turns.

In jwalrus' case at least, he's currently away from his normal net
access, so has an excuse.

>  This is actually another concern I have with moving the goalposts:
> if we move them every time there's interest in continuing the game,
> then the only time the game can end is after everyone has already
> lost interest.

It's not so much that there's continuing interest (or at least, that's
necessary but not sufficient); it's that some of the recent changes
introduced need a certain amount of time to take full effect, and
they're unlikely to get it with the current target, which would be a
shame. Multi-Dark-Gift combos would be fun to see in action.

> I don't want that to happen.  It's lame when nomic fizzles out.  We
> have an ending that we agreed to some time ago, and I think it would
> be good to stick to it.

If it does seem at any point to be fizzling, I for one intend to make
a proposal bringing the winning post back within a couple of turns'
reach of whoever the leader is at that point, so it can finish
honestly.

> But since this lull started immediately after my refusal to cooperate on
> moving the goalposts, I'm worried that I may be actually causing the
> fizzle instead of preventing it.

Mmm. Indirectly, I think, in that some of the outstanding proposals
are predicated on it to some extent.

> So: I change my vote on Moving the Goalposts [Psmith] to Aye.  But
> please, let's not do a Sonny Bono on this and keep extending the
> game indefinitely.

The slippery slope will be resisted :-)

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr 16 08:30:14 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:30:14 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Ratified: Moved Goalposts
Message-ID: <20030416083014.GB88648@spod-central.org>

The following proposal has been agreed unanimously (explicitly by
Jota, jwalrus, and baf; implicitly by Roger and me) and will come into
effect as the removal of Rule 15 and the addition of Rule 148 in one
hour from the timestamp of this message.

  Moving the Goalposts [Psmith]

  Remove Rule 15.

  Any player added to the game automatically receives 10 brownie
  points. Any player who manages to accrue three hundred and fifty
  (350) brownie points will immediately win the game.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr 16 09:59:25 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:59:25 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: miscellaneous proposals
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100538250.98119-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
References: <20030410092104.GA39886@spod-central.org> <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304100538250.98119-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <20030416095925.GA89088@spod-central.org>

Admiral Jota wrote:
> Imp Ant-Power [Jota]

I change my vote on this propoal to nay, and propose as a new rule:

  Imp Anti-Power [Psmith]

  Any player whose brownie point tally should reach or exceed the value
  required to win by Rule 148 while that player is holding the Bottle
  Imp will instead have their brownie point tally reduced to fifty (50)
  or one-fifth of such value (rounded down), whichever is the lesser.
  Any player whose brownie point tally should reach or exceed such value
  while that player's servant is holding the Bottle Imp will instead
  have their brownie point tally reduced to one hundred and fifty (150)
  or one-half of such value (rounded down), whichever is the lesser.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr 16 10:36:16 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:36:16 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: questfix
Message-ID: <20030416103616.GA89429@spod-central.org>

A proposal for one new rule, to fix something I just thought of:

  The Quest to - Hey, Where'd It Go? [Psmith]

  If a room is removed from the map, any Quests which have that room as
  one of their associated rooms are removed from the Roster of Quests,
  and all quest tokens associated with them are removed from the game.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr 16 10:37:37 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:37:37 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] impishness
In-Reply-To: <20030407084959.GA75207@spod-central.org>
References: <25424368.1049665327@cornelius> <20030407084959.GA75207@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <20030416103737.GB89429@spod-central.org>

Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> Adam Biltcliffe wrote:
> > Impishness [jwalrus]
> 
> Nay, on two admittedly fairly arbitrary grounds:

I change my vote on this proposal to aye.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr 16 17:04:06 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:04:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: miscellaneous proposals
In-Reply-To: <20030416095925.GA89088@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304161303030.4537-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

> Admiral Jota wrote:
> > Imp Ant-Power [Jota]
>
> I change my vote on this propoal to nay,

Dead.

>   Imp Anti-Power [Psmith]

Aye.


-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr 16 17:04:42 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:04:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: questfix
In-Reply-To: <20030416103616.GA89429@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304161304320.4537-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

>   The Quest to - Hey, Where'd It Go? [Psmith]

Aye.

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 17 04:39:34 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:39:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: miscellaneous proposals
In-Reply-To: <20030416095925.GA89088@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304162338580.4062-100000@baf.wurb.com>


On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

>   Imp Anti-Power [Psmith]

Aye




From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 17 04:39:55 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:39:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: questfix
In-Reply-To: <20030416103616.GA89429@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304162339450.4062-100000@baf.wurb.com>


On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

>   The Quest to - Hey, Where'd It Go? [Psmith]

kAye



From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 17 04:59:17 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:59:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Phase 29
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304162357360.8131-100000@baf.wurb.com>

I metamorphose.  My Dark Gift is now Flight.
My turn is over.




From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 18 00:48:34 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 01:48:34 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: Psmith's turn
Message-ID: <20030418004834.GB4507@spod-central.org>

I move to the House of Commons. (+5 bp, black primary -> black secondary)
Crawle drops the golden corknut.
I pick up the golden corknut.

My turn is completed. It is jwalrus' turn. The House of Commons now
has 4 visits.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 18 15:07:01 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:07:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] Bang!-Bang!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304181105140.45162-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

I proposed this a while back, but I guess I forgot about it, since it
timed out a month ago. Since no one had voted against it, I may as well
re-propose:

Bang!-Bang! [Jota]

Token:
  Prize token and time bomb. Name: "esploding cigar". Initial location:
  Washington, DC. Initial destination: Iraq. Value: 4. Initial delay: five
  days.

Rule:
  If at any time no esploding cigar exists, the active player may summon
  one into existence as an action. Its name, location, destination, and
  value will be the same as those of the esploding cigar to have most
  recently existed. Its delay will be one day shorter than that of the the
  esploding cigar to have most recently existed. If this would result in a
  non-positive delay, the action may not be taken.

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/



From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 18 16:51:54 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:51:54 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] Bang!-Bang!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304181105140.45162-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304181105140.45162-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <20030418165153.GA9337@spod-central.org>

Admiral Jota wrote:
> I proposed this a while back, but I guess I forgot about it, since it
> timed out a month ago. Since no one had voted against it, I may as well
> re-propose:
> 
> Bang!-Bang! [Jota]

I voted nay on it first time round; but this time, aye.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Fri Apr 18 19:02:21 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:02:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] Bang!-Bang!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304181105140.45162-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304181355020.31827-100000@baf.wurb.com>


On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Admiral Jota wrote:

> Bang!-Bang! [Jota]

I'll give this an aye, because I like the useless absurdity of it.
My favorite part is the way that the cigars that we create to replace the
one that vanished immediately on creation *also* vanish immediately on
creation.

If that's not your intention, I suggest giving it an initial location that
isn't a high security area.



From nomic02@wurb.com  Sun Apr 20 06:36:00 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Admiral Jota)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 02:36:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Ack. Maybe Jota's [T]
In-Reply-To: <20030418004834.GB4507@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304200232340.75576-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>

I either just missed my turn, or am just about to. If it's not over yet, I
move from Washington, DC to West of House, where I pick up the
mind-control satellite uplink. Then I move Grunk from the Servants'
Quarters to Saturn, and cause Grunk to pick up the bus driver's lunchbox.

-- 
                                     _/<-=    Admiral Jota    =->\_
                                      \<-= jota@shelltown.com =->/




From nomic02@wurb.com  Sun Apr 20 12:46:18 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 13:46:18 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Ack. Maybe Jota's [T]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304200232340.75576-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
References: <20030418004834.GB4507@spod-central.org> <Pine.BSF.4.40.0304200232340.75576-100000@shelley.shelltown.net>
Message-ID: <20030420124617.GA25751@spod-central.org>

Admiral Jota wrote:
> I either just missed my turn, or am just about to.

By the timestamps, this got in within the deadline; your message was
stamped 02:36:00 -0400, and since you didn't end your turn explicitly,
it timed out on schedule at 06:48:34 -0000. The headers show a few
minutes' variance in clocks and mail delays, but nothing to take it
into baf's turn.

> If it's not over yet, I
> move from Washington, DC to West of House,

(earning 7 bp for exploration, but incurring the 2 bp Death Toll)

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Sun Apr 20 12:52:34 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 13:52:34 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Ratified: Imp (Anti-)Power
Message-ID: <20030420125233.GB25751@spod-central.org>

The following proposals have been agreed unaanimously (explicitly by
Jota and baf, implicitly by Roger, jwalrus and me) and will come into
effect as Rules 149, 150, and 151 respectively in one hour from the
timestamp of this message.

  Imp Power [Psmith]

  If the location of the Bottle Imp becomes a player, or is a player at
  the time that this rule comes into effect, that player's Puissance
  shall be increased by one; if the location of the Bottle Imp ceases to
  be that player, that player's Puissance shall be decreased by one.


  Imp Anti-Power [Psmith]

  Any player whose brownie point tally should reach or exceed the value
  required to win by Rule 148 while that player is holding the Bottle
  Imp will instead have their brownie point tally reduced to fifty (50)
  or one-fifth of such value (rounded down), whichever is the lesser.
  Any player whose brownie point tally should reach or exceed such value
  while that player's servant is holding the Bottle Imp will instead
  have their brownie point tally reduced to one hundred and fifty (150)
  or one-half of such value (rounded down), whichever is the lesser.


  The Quest to - Hey, Where'd It Go? [Psmith]

  If a room is removed from the map, any Quests which have that room as
  one of their associated rooms are removed from the Roster of Quests,
  and all quest tokens associated with them are removed from the game.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Sun Apr 20 15:15:24 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:15:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Phase 30
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304201012380.21097-100000@baf.wurb.com>

I move Banford to Blasted Heath.
I pick up the Bottle Imp, then fly to Embedded CPU.
My turn is over.




From nomic02@wurb.com  Sun Apr 20 15:45:39 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:45:39 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [R] impishness
Message-ID: <18514682.1050857139@cornelius>

Well, I'm back just in time to save this from lapsing, so:

The following proposal has been approved by all players and will come into 
effect with the creation of the three tokens it describes one hour from the 
timestamp of this message.

Impishness [jwalrus]

Create the following new tokens:

Banana Imp                 : location Brigadoon
Treasure Imp (prize token) : location the Lounge
                             destination the Servants' Quarters
                             value 7
Null Imp                   : location Washington, DC


From nomic02@wurb.com  Sun Apr 20 15:51:12 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:51:12 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Proposal: questfix
In-Reply-To: <20030416103616.GA89429@spod-central.org>
References: <20030416103616.GA89429@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <18848422.1050857472@cornelius>

>   The Quest to - Hey, Where'd It Go? [Psmith]

Aye!



jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Sun Apr 20 15:58:02 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:58:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [R] impishness
In-Reply-To: <18514682.1050857139@cornelius>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304201047130.21097-100000@baf.wurb.com>

As usual, anyone who feels like making icons for the new tokens should
feel free to do so.  (I've played around with the BSD logo a little, but
with unsatisfactory results.)  I'm particularly interested in seeing what
a Null Imp looks like.



From nomic02@wurb.com  Sat Apr 19 20:13:49 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carbol, Roger)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:13:49 -0600
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] Bang!-Bang!
Message-ID: <EF590AA19DB8C445A9541C1D98191F9437C104@COCMAIL2.coc.ca>

> Bang!-Bang! [Jota]

Aye.



..Roger
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From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr 21 15:11:40 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:11:40 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: Psmth's turn
Message-ID: <20030421151139.GA33849@spod-central.org>

I drop the golden corknut and the scarlet emerald. Gideon Crawle
picks them up, and moves to Washington, DC.

I fly to the Servants' Quarters (+6 bp for exploration), fulfilling
KiltQuest (+16b bp).

My turn is completed. I lose 3 bp for being in the Servants' Quarters.
The Servants' Quarters have 3 visits. It is jwalrus' turn.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr 21 22:37:37 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:37:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] Imp Mastery
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304211729090.17519-100000@baf.wurb.com>

A proposal:
Imp Mastery [baf]
Add one Dark Gift:
Master of Imps
A player with Master of Imps may, on his or her turn, as an action, move
any token with the word 'Imp' in its name, provided that its location is a
room.  Each token may only be moved in this way once per turn.



From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr 21 23:19:46 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:19:46 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] Imp Mastery
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304211729090.17519-100000@baf.wurb.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304211729090.17519-100000@baf.wurb.com>
Message-ID: <44402787.1050970786@cornelius>

> Imp Mastery [baf]
> Add one Dark Gift:
> Master of Imps
> A player with Master of Imps may, on his or her turn, as an action, move
> any token with the word 'Imp' in its name, provided that its location is a
> room.  Each token may only be moved in this way once per turn.

Aye. (Having realised that this is much less powerful than it first 
appears, since you can't use it either to get rid of the Bottle Imp or 
stick someone else with it.)


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 22 01:12:21 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 02:12:21 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] Imp Mastery
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304211729090.17519-100000@baf.wurb.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304211729090.17519-100000@baf.wurb.com>
Message-ID: <20030422011221.GA37503@spod-central.org>

Carl Muckenhoupt wrote:
> 
> A proposal:
> Imp Mastery [baf]

Aye.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:    PHANTIS: Yes -- bizarre, is it not?                                     :
:    KING: Most quaint. But then it's a quaint world.                        :
:    PHANTIS: Teems with quiet fun.       [ W.S. Gilbert, "Utopia, Ltd" ]    :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 22 15:32:37 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:32:37 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] not jwalrus' turn
Message-ID: <29278249.1051029157@cornelius>

Dammit. I misremembered when Psmith took his turn and missed mine *again*, 
though by only twenty minutes this time. Timed out at 4:11pm +0100 today.


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr 23 22:33:27 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:33:27 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] Turn: Psmith's (phased) turn
Message-ID: <20030423223326.GA51537@spod-central.org>

Since I won't be around now until I get back from Baycon, my actions for
when my next two turns roll around (if needed):

Phase Thirty-one : I fly to the Attic, and end my turn.
Phase Thirty-two: I fly to Washington, DC, and end my turn.

I furthermore put myself on the Passive Voters list.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:  "Peek-a-boo, I can't see you, everything must be grand;                   :
:   Boo-ka-pee, you can't see me, as long as I've got me head in t'sand..."  :
:          -- Michael Flanders, "The Ostrich"                                :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 24 20:45:50 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:45:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] My turn
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304241544470.5464-100000@baf.wurb.com>

I metamorphose, obtaining the power of Repulsiveness.  My turn is over.




From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 24 22:39:42 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:39:42 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] My turn
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304241544470.5464-100000@baf.wurb.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304241544470.5464-100000@baf.wurb.com>
Message-ID: <36916072.1051227582@cornelius>

Unless I'm mistaken, when baf ended his turn two hours ago, Psmith's phased 
orders for his next turn immediately came into effect. If this is so, 
Psmith has now flown to the Attic and therefore completed the McGuffin of 
Doom quest. Psmith's brownie points therefore go up by 6 for exploration 
plus 14 for the quest and his black secondary token as well as the quest 
itself cease to exist, he ends his turn, the Attic's visits increase to 3 
and Brigadoon becomes the Savage Wilderness.

In any case, it's now my turn, so I'm going to create a new quest, 
hopefully more worthwhile than the previous one. The name of the quest 
shall be "Black Tiger" and its colour shall be pink. Further news after 
these die rolls.


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 24 23:06:23 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:06:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Black Tiger home
Message-ID: <200304242306.h3ON6NU01801@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Black Tiger home

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 6.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 24 23:07:04 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:07:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Black Tiger locate
Message-ID: <200304242307.h3ON74e01813@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Black Tiger locate

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 18.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 24 23:07:16 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:07:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Black Tiger locate (re-roll)
Message-ID: <200304242307.h3ON7G001824@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Black Tiger locate (re-roll)

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 11.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 24 23:08:27 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:08:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Black Tiger value
Message-ID: <200304242308.h3ON8RP01858@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Black Tiger value

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 8.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 24 23:07:57 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:07:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Black Tiger goal
Message-ID: <200304242307.h3ON7v601840@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Black Tiger goal

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Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 5.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Thu Apr 24 22:49:42 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:49:42 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] and the end of jw's turn
Message-ID: <37516405.1051228182@cornelius>

So, it appears the new quest has the following properties:

Name:   Black Tiger
Colour: pink
Home:   House of Commons
Locate: Under the High Wall (on a resting)
Goal:   Embedded CPU
Value:  8 brownie points

If my quest-creation was legal and correct, I now move to Washington, DC, 
pick up the Null Imp and end my turn, increasing Washington, DC's visits to 
9.


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Sun Apr 27 10:23:05 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 05:23:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] and the end of jw's turn
In-Reply-To: <37516405.1051228182@cornelius>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304270519150.5464-100000@baf.wurb.com>

If I reckon right, I missed my turn.  Consequently, psmith's turn has also
occurred.  He flew to Washington, presumably intending to rendezvous with
Crawle; however, Crawle was chased to the Servants' Quarters by jwalrus at
the end of the turn.  Washington's visits is now 10, and it's jw's turn.





From nomic02@wurb.com  Sun Apr 27 10:24:48 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 05:24:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [P] Imp Mastery
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304211729090.17519-100000@baf.wurb.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304270523280.5464-100000@baf.wurb.com>

The following proposal has passed.  Psmith and jwalrus both gave it an
aye, and everyone else gave implicit approval.  It goes into effect one
hour from the timestamp on this message.

Imp Mastery [baf]
Add one Dark Gift:
Master of Imps
A player with Master of Imps may, on his or her turn, as an action, move
any token with the word 'Imp' in its name, provided that its location is a
room.  Each token may only be moved in this way once per turn.



From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr 28 00:40:16 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 01:40:16 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] and the end of jw's turn
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304270519150.5464-100000@baf.wurb.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304270519150.5464-100000@baf.wurb.com>
Message-ID: <10192786.1051494016@cornelius>

> If I reckon right, I missed my turn.  Consequently, psmith's turn has also
> occurred.  He flew to Washington, presumably intending to rendezvous with
> Crawle; however, Crawle was chased to the Servants' Quarters by jwalrus at
> the end of the turn.  Washington's visits is now 10, and it's jw's turn.

In which case, I'll move to the Servants' Quarters (+7bp) and steal the 
Golden Corknut from Gideon Crawle. If that's legal, I end my turn, losing 
three brownie points for being in the Servants' Quarters, and SQ's visits 
increases to 4.

Also, so as to avoid any accidental penalties, I think the phased orders 
rule allows me to say: If during my next turn it has been my turn for 
twenty-three hours and fifty-nine minutes and I have not yet revoked this 
order or posted any other order for my actions that turn, both myself and 
the Baron shall move to Brigadoon if possible or West of House if not.


jw


From nomic02@wurb.com  Mon Apr 28 17:55:05 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:55:05 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] and the end of jw's turn
In-Reply-To: <10192786.1051494016@cornelius>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304270519150.5464-100000@baf.wurb.com> <10192786.1051494016@cornelius>
Message-ID: <20030428175505.GC90085@spod-central.org>

Adam Biltcliffe wrote:
> >If I reckon right, I missed my turn.  Consequently, psmith's turn has also
> >occurred.  He flew to Washington, presumably intending to rendezvous with
> >Crawle; however, Crawle was chased to the Servants' Quarters by jwalrus at
> >the end of the turn.  Washington's visits is now 10, and it's jw's turn.
> 
> In which case, I'll move to the Servants' Quarters (+7bp) and steal the 
> Golden Corknut from Gideon Crawle. If that's legal, I end my turn, losing 
> three brownie points for being in the Servants' Quarters, and SQ's visits 
> increases to 4.

Looks entirely legal to me; dammit :-) That's what I get for going away,
having rings run around me...

I remove myself from the Passive Voters List.

nomic-turns.txt updated; let me know if I've made any mistakes, please.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:  "Peek-a-boo, I can't see you, everything must be grand;                   :
:   Boo-ka-pee, you can't see me, as long as I've got me head in t'sand..."  :
:          -- Michael Flanders, "The Ostrich"                                :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 29 15:34:45 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:34:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Phase 34
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304291029460.23523-100000@baf.wurb.com>

First, I add another quest.
Its name is Search for the Lost Keys.
Its color is crimson.




From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 29 16:08:03 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:08:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Search for the Lost Keys home
Message-ID: <200304291608.h3TG83578693@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Search for the Lost Keys home

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 7 rolls of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 16.
Roll 2: 12.
Roll 3: 17.
Roll 4: 12.
Roll 5: 17.
Roll 6: 9.
Roll 7: 8.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 29 15:41:13 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:41:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] Whoops
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304291038120.23523-100000@baf.wurb.com>

OK.  That was a mistake.  The question now is: Do I take the first of
those rolls, or do I reroll?  I'm inclined to reroll.  I haven't even
looked to see what rooms those numbers indicate.




From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 29 16:15:52 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:15:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] Whoops
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304291038120.23523-100000@baf.wurb.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304291111460.23523-100000@baf.wurb.com>

On consultation with Jota and jwalrus, I'm going to take that as one valid
roll, followed by six garbage rolls.  jw cites Rule 102 in support of
this, and although it's clear that what that rule says about multiple
die-rolls was intended for a different context (multiple people rolling
dice, rather than one person rolling multiple dice), I see no reason why
it should not apply here.

Quest-rolling continues...



From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 29 16:47:06 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:47:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Search for the Lost Keys locate
Message-ID: <200304291647.h3TGl6x79166@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Search for the Lost Keys locate

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 1.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 29 16:48:04 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:48:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Search for the Lost Keys goal
Message-ID: <200304291648.h3TGm4079181@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Search for the Lost Keys goal

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 10.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 29 16:51:54 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:51:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Search for the Lost Keys value
Message-ID: <200304291651.h3TGpsx79215@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Search for the Lost Keys value

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 18-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 18.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 29 17:44:57 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:44:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Phase 34
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304291029460.23523-100000@baf.wurb.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304291121310.23523-100000@baf.wurb.com>

The die results, if I count correctly:
Home: Zrblm
Locate: Attic
Goal: the Servants' Quarters
Value: 1 Puissance

Very well then!  We have our first Puissance quest, and I want it. If the
above is correct, I fly to Zrblm, gaining 7 bp and a crimson primary, then
(to ensure my egress on a non-Tuesday) pay 2 bp to repair 1 damage to West
of House and change its second letter to r (Wrst of House), connecting it
to Zrblm and Iraq and disconnecting it from the Servants' Quarters.

If all of the above is valid, I end my turn.  I'll have an updated map
up shortly.




From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 29 17:55:53 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:55:53 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Phase 34
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304291121310.23523-100000@baf.wurb.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304291029460.23523-100000@baf.wurb.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304291121310.23523-100000@baf.wurb.com>
Message-ID: <20030429175553.GA97364@spod-central.org>

Carl Muckenhoupt wrote:
> 
> The die results, if I count correctly:
> Home: Zrblm
> Locate: Attic
> Goal: the Servants' Quarters
> Value: 1 Puissance
> 
> Very well then!  We have our first Puissance quest, and I want it. If the
> above is correct,

I don't believe the above is correct; you rolled an 18-sided die for
the value, where Rule 142 calls for you to roll a 20-sided die.

(So the rest doesn't (yet) happen.)

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:  "Peek-a-boo, I can't see you, everything must be grand;                   :
:   Boo-ka-pee, you can't see me, as long as I've got me head in t'sand..."  :
:          -- Michael Flanders, "The Ostrich"                                :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 29 18:27:02 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Search for the Lost Keys value
Message-ID: <200304291827.h3TIR2G80465@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Search for the Lost Keys value

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 20-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 11.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 29 18:08:27 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Carl Muckenhoupt)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:08:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Phase 34
In-Reply-To: <20030429175553.GA97364@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304291256360.23523-100000@baf.wurb.com>


Thank you, psmith, for correcting me before I wasted too much time on map
alterations.  Despite having better odds, the value is actually a measly
11 bp, hardly worth pursuing.  I will instead fly to West of House,
earning 8 bp.  My turn is over.




From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 29 18:35:54 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:35:54 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Phase 34
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304291256360.23523-100000@baf.wurb.com>
References: <20030429175553.GA97364@spod-central.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304291256360.23523-100000@baf.wurb.com>
Message-ID: <20030429183553.GB97364@spod-central.org>

Carl Muckenhoupt wrote:
> I will instead fly to West of House, earning 8 bp.

... and incurring the Death Toll, since the damage is still there.

My turn; I fly to Brigadoon. Here's hoping for a kersplat...

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:  "Peek-a-boo, I can't see you, everything must be grand;                   :
:   Boo-ka-pee, you can't see me, as long as I've got me head in t'sand..."  :
:          -- Michael Flanders, "The Ostrich"                                :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 29 19:04:35 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Irony Games Dice Server)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:04:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nomic02] Pie bomb kersplattery
Message-ID: <200304291904.h3TJ4ZA80805@mailbot.onlineplayer.com>

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Pie bomb kersplattery

nomic02@wurb.com requested that 1 roll  of a 6-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are 
Roll 1: 2.

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From nomic02@wurb.com  Tue Apr 29 18:46:13 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Dylan O'Donnell)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:46:13 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] [T] Phase 34
In-Reply-To: <20030429183553.GB97364@spod-central.org>
References: <20030429175553.GA97364@spod-central.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304291256360.23523-100000@baf.wurb.com> <20030429183553.GB97364@spod-central.org>
Message-ID: <20030429184612.GC97364@spod-central.org>

Dylan O'Donnell wrote:
> My turn; I fly to Brigadoon. Here's hoping for a kersplat...

But alas, no. Still, 8 bp exploration bonus, and I pick up the
pie bomb.

I move Gideon Crawle to Brigadoon, and steal the Scarlet Emerald
from him. Crawle picks up the Banana Imp.

I phase the completion of my turn for 30 Apr 00:00:01 -0000, at which
point Brigadoon will have 3 visits, The will be Savage Wilderness, and
it will be jwalrus' turn.

-- 
:  Dylan O'Donnell                     http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/  :
:  "Peek-a-boo, I can't see you, everything must be grand;                   :
:   Boo-ka-pee, you can't see me, as long as I've got me head in t'sand..."  :
:          -- Michael Flanders, "The Ostrich"                                :


From nomic02@wurb.com  Wed Apr 30 21:06:49 2003
From: nomic02@wurb.com (Adam Biltcliffe)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:06:49 +0100
Subject: [Nomic02] jw turn
Message-ID: <50201405.1051740409@cornelius>

Well, my cunning plans having been temporarily foiled, the Baron and I both 
move to Central Park (+5bp). I end my turn. (This obviously supercedes the 
conditional orders I gave for what should happen if I failed to make a move 
this turn.)

Central Park now has 6 visits.


jw