From Fri Mar 10 07:57:44 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by q6; 10 Mar 2000 15:57:55 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 15933 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2000 15:57:04 -0000 Received: from ml.egroups.com (10.1.1.31) by iqg.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 15:57:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@s... Received: from [10.1.2.6] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2000 15:57:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:56:58 -0800 From: "Kevan Davis" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8ab60a$ctre@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Genesis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello there. I thought an introductory wave might be in order; a reciprocal one from anyone who joins this list, with small introduction as to who they think they are, would be as good a way as any to get the ball rolling, I suppose. I'm Kevan, anyway, the Speaker of this thing, and a twenty-something software engineer and Webmaster from Brighton, England. You might remember me from Thring, Garden Nomic, Mornington Nomic and the Paranomics, but then again, you might not. Still, if you've got any questions about what we're doing here or why we're bothering, or simply wish to announce your arrival and immediate readiness to wade in, speak up. Hopefully we can get this thing up and running before too long; I'd guess about four or five people is the minimum necessary to make it worth the candle - we'll see how things go. Kevan -- kevan@s... http://www.stormloader.com/kevan From <_egroups@r...> Fri Mar 10 08:32:41 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by q6; 10 Mar 2000 16:32:52 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 10667 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2000 16:32:33 -0000 Received: from ef.egroups.com (10.1.2.111) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 16:32:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: _egroups@r... Received: from [10.1.2.129] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2000 16:32:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:32:22 -0800 From: "Raven Black" <_egroups@r...> To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8ab82m$t6i@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Intro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a break from my usual dismissal of such things, it seems I'm actually the first to join up for this. Greetings, I'm RavenBlack, you may remember me from no other Nomics at all... Except Paranomic for a while. It seems a waste of time to introduce myself here rather than simply point at http://www.ravenblack.net/ So I'll do it that way. Done. --RavenBlack From Sat Mar 11 09:40:10 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by q6; 11 Mar 2000 17:40:20 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 14414 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2000 17:39:35 -0000 Received: from f230.law8.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.230) by mx3.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2000 17:39:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 61418 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2000 17:39:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000311173935.61417.qmail@h...> Received: from 204.60.28.175 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:39:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.60.28.175] From: "Tyrethali Ansrath" To: genomic@e... Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:39:35 EST Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Intro Too MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I just joined. I'm Tyrethali, and you're more likely to remember me from Polynomic, Ackanomic, or Paranomic, since when I was in Garden Nomic and Omeganomic I went by the handle "Brex". As for my non-nomic related hobbies, well, there are RPGs [and recently, Interactive Fiction], ConLangs, and ALife. And surely a few others, but those three and nomic dominate the bookmark file, at least. And for the record, I think 3 players is just fine for a nomic, at least initially. I've played a few 3-player over chat, and more than a few 2-player ones... ______________________________________________________ From Sun Mar 12 04:12:11 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by q6; 12 Mar 2000 12:12:22 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 14176 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 12:12:08 -0000 Received: from ck.egroups.com (10.1.2.83) by iqg.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 12:12:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: zanangel@i... Received: from [10.1.2.128] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2000 12:12:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:12:02 -0800 From: "Chrissy" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8ag1ii$s5g1@e...> In-Reply-To: <20000311173935.61417.qmail@h...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: Intro Too MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > As for my non-nomic related hobbies, well, there are RPGs [and recently, > Interactive Fiction], ConLangs, and ALife. ALife? Splendid. I've a few Proposal ideas somewhere in that area, as befits the name of the Nomic... > And for the record, I think 3 players is just fine for a nomic, at least > initially. I've played a few 3-player over chat, and more than a few > 2-player ones... True enough; I've played quite a number of two-player ones in my time, and they've all worked out quite reasonably. It'd be nice to have a few more players so that there was a decent spread of "initial theme" ideas, but there's no reason why such couldn't turn up a few weeks in and overwrite the old ones. No objections if I declare Week One's commencement for 1pm tomorrow, then? Kevan -- kevan@s... http://www.stormloader.com/kevan From Sun Mar 12 04:16:13 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by q6; 12 Mar 2000 12:16:25 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 30376 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 12:16:07 -0000 Received: from ck.egroups.com (10.1.2.83) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 12:16:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@s... Received: from [10.1.2.5] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2000 12:16:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:16:01 -0800 From: "Kevan Davis" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8ag1q1$g5jv@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Not Chrissy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tsk, I keep overlooking the fact that she's logged in to eGroups as herself, when I use her computer. Hopeless. Kevan -- kevan@s... http://www.stormloader.com/kevan From Sun Mar 12 11:27:02 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by q6; 12 Mar 2000 19:27:12 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 22860 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 19:26:49 -0000 Received: from ef.egroups.com (10.1.2.111) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 19:26:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mctupper@h... Received: from [10.1.2.130] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2000 19:26:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:26:42 -0800 From: "Xylen" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8agr1i$glss@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Intro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, After checking all of my nomics, and only finding one of them officially alive, I stumbled across this one. I really enjoy starting up a game. Maybe someday one of my nomics will stick around for awhile so I can find out what it's like to be an elder. I've played in Beserker Nomic, Common-Law-Nomic, Three-Rivers Nomic, Acka-Lite, and Fantasy Rules Committee. FRC is currently the only one still alive. The one thing that seems to kill off most starting nomics is the complexity of the rules. I like the fact that you are staring with a very simple and common sense approach. That allows the players to indulge in thier own creativity. This is essential to give the new nomic a head start on a long life. The other killer is usually the record keeping that takes up more and more time. As long as the head-poohbah-of-publications can keep up with everything, the game will proceed. Two of my other nomics died when the record keeper lost access or the will to manage the records. On the other hand, FRC thrives because most of the rules are repealed every few weeks, and a new game commences, all according to the core set of rules. Well, that is enough blathering for now. I hope that things can get started soon. With one more player, it makes things a bit more interesting. Xylen From Sun Mar 12 17:31:08 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by q6; 13 Mar 2000 01:31:19 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 26768 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2000 01:31:16 -0000 Received: from mw.egroups.com (10.1.2.2) by iqg.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2000 01:31:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dmckenna@x... Received: from [10.1.2.131] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2000 01:31:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:31:10 -0800 From: "David S. McKenna" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8ahgcu$43fj@e...> In-Reply-To: <8ab60a$ctre@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: Genesis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings - Against my better judgement, I've decided to join this Nomic. When I first discovered the entire Nomic concept, my internet wanderings eventually lead me to the Garden Nomic, where Kevan was kind enough to show me the ropes. My real passion in life is a place called the Live Games Forum at Delphi (www.delphi.com/livegames). We play several different text based games there nightly in the chat rooms, and several other message board oriented games. I schedule the nightly games and host several of them. Some of the discussions concerning the rules of these simplistic message board games started reaching truly Nomic-like proportions, and this observation inspired me to start McNomic on the message boards there, and Kevan has been a very active player in that game. While the game is currently only in its 4th cycle (we prefer "relaxed pace" to "sluggish"), the Ruleset has at least tripled in length in very new and interesting ways, and the crowd of largely Nomic Virgins playing there seem to have taken to the game surprisingly well. My Duties in LGF (and my real-life work as a Senior Software Designer/Analyst) keeps me very busy, so I have some doubts about exactly how active I will be in this game, but the birth of a new Nomic is a very unique kind of fun, and since its one of Kevan's, I could not resist. I look forward to playing with you all. Should Kevan accept my registration, I'll be the player named "Mac". - Mac www.xnet.com/~dmckenna From Mon Mar 13 04:46:31 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by q6; 13 Mar 2000 12:46:42 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 23188 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2000 12:45:53 -0000 Received: from fg.egroups.com (10.1.2.134) by iqg.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2000 12:45:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: genomic@t... Received: from [10.1.2.123] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2000 12:45:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:45:44 -0800 From: "TheTwistedOne" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8ainto$qndb@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] what subject? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morning, all. This is my first time. Be gentle :) From Mon Mar 13 05:14:20 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by q6; 13 Mar 2000 13:14:31 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 10051 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2000 13:14:16 -0000 Received: from imv.egroups.com (HELO mv.egroups.com) (10.1.1.41) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2000 13:14:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@s... Received: from [10.1.2.131] by mv.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2000 13:14:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:14:14 -0800 From: "Kevan Davis" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8aipj6$4dtj@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Week One Begins MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Week One has begun. From now until 1pm on the 20th of March, any of you lot who have signed up (me, Raven, Tyrethali, Xylen, Mac and The Twisted One, so far) can submit Proposals to me via private email. At 1pm on the 20th, Week One will end, and I'll scuttle off to do the stuff for Interregnum One (basically just put all your Proposals in one big file and distribute it via the mailing list). When that's done, Week Two will begin, during which you can submit more Proposals, and - more importantly - vote on the ones that have been distributed. I think that's everything. Off you go. Kevan -- kevan@s... http://www.stormloader.com/kevan From Mon Mar 13 05:42:29 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by q6; 13 Mar 2000 13:42:41 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29305 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2000 13:35:37 -0000 Received: from oe4.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.108) by mx3.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2000 13:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 55551 invoked by uid 65534); 13 Mar 2000 13:35:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000313133537.55550.qmail@h...> X-Originating-IP: [194.202.149.139] From: "Adam S" To: References: <8ainto$qndb@e...> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:34:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] whither neomancy? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF8CF0.D24462C0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF8CF0.D24462C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable This is my first time, also... so I'm just going to sit on the sidelines an= d shout encouragement (very quietly) Unless anyone has objections to this? DjA ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF8CF0.D24462C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
This is my first time, also... so I'm just going to sit= on the = sidelines and shout encouragement (very quietly)
 
Unless anyone has objections to this?
 
DjA
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF8CF0.D24462C0-- From Wed Mar 15 15:46:57 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 15 Mar 2000 23:47:10 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 14347 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2000 23:47:09 -0000 Received: from cj.egroups.com (10.1.2.82) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2000 23:47:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: oloros@b... Received: from [10.1.2.123] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2000 23:47:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:47:03 -0800 From: "M Schuler" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8ap7dn$ijjf@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] introductions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings All! Allow me to introduce myself as Oloros, a composer of chamber music, sometime-vegetarian, and nomic-virgin. I expect more of myself will become evident as we cross swords in the next few months. From Wed Mar 15 21:56:02 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 05:56:15 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 15222 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 05:56:14 -0000 Received: from c9.egroups.com (10.1.2.66) by iqg.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 05:56:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: stanleyk@s... Received: from [10.1.2.26] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2000 05:56:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:56:06 -0800 From: "Stanley Kubrick" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8apt1m$5dr3@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] (stumbling blithely into the room) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the assumption that Kevan doesn't find something horribly deterring in my e-mail to him, I think that I'm joining Genomic. A bit about me, then: My name is Josh Millard, I'm a 20ish CS major at Worcester Polytechnic Institute (home of the net.flame and gweeping) in Massachusetts, USofA. I have too many hobbies, an over-abundance of interests, and a steaming pile of distractions, and I'm entirely too happy to add this game to that list. I'm a musician in the vaporous category that falls between garage bands with no hope and folks who actually play out and make money and get famous and get hooked on heroin et al. Not sure how I feel about that, though. I'm also a complete Nomic virgin, and a hardcore (AndProudOfIt) geek. Hi. From Thu Mar 16 01:30:41 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 09:30:55 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 8101 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 09:30:53 -0000 Received: from ef.egroups.com (10.1.2.111) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 09:30:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@s... Received: from [10.1.2.131] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2000 09:30:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:30:45 -0800 From: "Kevan Davis" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8aq9k5$ku3j@e...> In-Reply-To: <8apt1m$5dr3@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: (stumbling blithely into the room) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On the assumption that Kevan doesn't find something horribly deterring > in my e-mail to him... Actually Kevan doesn't even find the email to him. Unless you're trying to confuse me by sending a sign-up email under the nom de guerre of "Pulp" or "Gallivanting Tripper", and posting to the mailing list with a completely different name and address, or something. Kevan -- kevan@s... http://www.stormloader.com/kevan From Thu Mar 16 01:38:48 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 09:39:01 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13118 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 09:38:58 -0000 Received: from oe38.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.33) by mx3.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 09:38:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 3870 invoked by uid 65534); 16 Mar 2000 09:38:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000316093858.3869.qmail@h...> X-Originating-IP: [194.202.149.139] From: "Adam S" To: References: <8aq9k5$ku3j@e...> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:36:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: (stumbling blithely into the room) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF8F2B.1EAC7E90" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF8F2B.1EAC7E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Doesn't "Nom de geurre" tranlate directly to "Name of the Warrior" ? (I say= this because the instructions to Gauntlet had "The Warrior" as "La Guerre"= Or possibly "Le Guerre" > On the assumption that Kevan doesn't find something horribly deterring > in my e-mail to him... Actually Kevan doesn't even find the email to him. Unless you're trying to confuse me by sending a sign-up email under the nom de guerre of "Pulp" or "Gallivanting Tripper", and posting to the mailing list with a completely different name and address, or something. Kevan -- kevan@s... http://www.stormloader.com/kevan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- To Post a message, send it to: genomic@e... 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Doesn't "Nom de geurre" tranlate directly to "Name of t= he = Warrior" ? (I say this because the instructions to Gauntlet had "The Warrio= r" as = "La Guerre" Or possibly "Le Guerre"
 

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------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF8F2B.1EAC7E90-- From Thu Mar 16 02:37:55 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 10:38:08 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 16781 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 10:38:06 -0000 Received: from c9.egroups.com (10.1.2.66) by iqg.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 10:38:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@s... Received: from [10.1.2.15] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2000 10:38:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:37:58 -0800 From: "Kevan Davis" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8aqdi6$76op@e...> In-Reply-To: <20000316093858.3869.qmail@h...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: (stumbling blithely into the room) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Doesn't "Nom de geurre" tranlate directly to "Name of the Warrior" ? "War name", I think. A fictitious name assumed for a short amount of time. Kevan -- kevan@s... http://www.stormloader.com/kevan From Thu Mar 16 03:00:13 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 11:00:27 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21635 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 11:00:24 -0000 Received: from oe9.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.113) by mx3.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 11:00:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 58893 invoked by uid 65534); 16 Mar 2000 11:00:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000316110024.58892.qmail@h...> X-Originating-IP: [194.202.149.139] From: "Adam S" To: References: <8aqdi6$76op@e...> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:59:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: (stumbling blithely into the room) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF8F36.A597FAF0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF8F36.A597FAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Whereas a 'Nom de Plume' (Name of the Pen? I know someone who used to name = their pens....) is for a longer period of time? I worry about the French, sometimes... ----- Original Message ----- = From: Kevan Davis = To: genomic@e... = Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 10:37 AM Subject: [genomic] Re: (stumbling blithely into the room) > Doesn't "Nom de geurre" tranlate directly to "Name of the Warrior" ? "War name", I think. A fictitious name assumed for a short amount of time. Kevan -- kevan@s... http://www.stormloader.com/kevan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- To Post a message, send it to: genomic@e... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: genomic-unsubscribe@e... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- eGroups.com Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/genomic www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF8F36.A597FAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Whereas a 'Nom de Plume' (Name of the Pen? I know someo= ne who = used to name their pens....) is for a longer period of time?
 
 
I worry about the French, sometimes...
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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF8F36.A597FAF0-- From RavenBlack Thu Mar 16 06:32:13 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 14:32:27 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13382 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 14:32:25 -0000 Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 14:32:25 -0000 Received: from raven.alder.erols.com ([208.58.154.121] helo=roost) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12VbJf-0005p0-00 for genomic@egroups.com; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:31:59 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000316093339.0307e904@w...> X-Sender: raven@w... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:33:39 -0500 To: genomic@egroups.com From: RavenBlack In-Reply-To: <20000316110024.58892.qmail@h...> References: <8aqdi6$76op@e...> Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: (stumbling blithely into the room) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Whereas a 'Nom de Plume' (Name of the Pen? I know someone >who used to name their pens....) is for a longer period of time? Well, the pen /is/ mightier than the sword. I'm not certain in what context. Perhaps "ink consumption". --RavenBlack From Thu Mar 16 06:47:09 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 14:47:22 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15937 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 14:47:19 -0000 Received: from oe8.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.112) by mx3.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 14:47:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 10007 invoked by uid 65534); 16 Mar 2000 14:47:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000316144718.10006.qmail@h...> X-Originating-IP: [194.202.149.139] From: "Adam S" To: References: <8aqdi6$76op@e...> <3.0.2.32.20000316093339.0307e904@w...> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:43:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: (stumbling blithely into the room) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF8F55.F7653360" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF8F55.F7653360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable "As long as the sword is very short and the pen is very sharp" >Whereas a 'Nom de Plume' (Name of the Pen? I know someone = >who used to name their pens....) is for a longer period of time? Well, the pen /is/ mightier than the sword. I'm not certain in what context. Perhaps "ink consumption". --RavenBlack ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- To Post a message, send it to: genomic@e... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: genomic-unsubscribe@e... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- eGroups.com Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/genomic www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF8F55.F7653360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
"As long as the sword is very short and the pen is very= = sharp"
 
>Whereas = a 'Nom de Plume' (Name of the Pen? I know someone
>who used to nam= e = their pens....) is for a longer period of time?
Well, the pen /is/ mig= htier = than the sword.
I'm not certain in what context. Perhaps "ink = consumption".

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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF8F55.F7653360-- From Thu Mar 16 06:47:55 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 14:48:08 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 29808 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 14:48:06 -0000 Received: from imk.egroups.com (HELO mk.egroups.com) (10.1.1.30) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 14:48:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: pswanson@m... Received: from [10.1.2.130] by mk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2000 14:48:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:47:58 -0800 From: "paul" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8aqs6u$36lk@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] i love to join your game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey, i've never actually played nomic but i've known about it for awhile and always wanted to play. i feel lucky to have stumbled across this nomic in the middle of its first turn; hopefully Kevan will accept my application (and maybe kind enough to accept some Proposals before the first Week is up). you all seem like a bunch of cool cats. about me, i'm an unemployed but recovering microsoftie in the seattle area. my days are spent watching NewsRadio reruns, playing spades and tetris attack, and maybe becoming a game designer (card or board, for now). i look forward to an entertaining first game; i told Kevan that i would like to be called "microstoned", my nickname on the Zone that i've also adopted elsewhere. either that or i guess "paul" is fine. paul From Thu Mar 16 07:27:37 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 15:27:51 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 3605 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 15:27:49 -0000 Received: from b05.egroups.com (10.1.2.184) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 15:27:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: stanleyk@s... Received: from [10.1.2.129] by b05.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2000 15:26:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:24:41 -0800 From: "Stanley Kubrick" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8aqubp$bv66@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] No Subject MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> On the assumption that Kevan doesn't find something horribly deterring >> in my e-mail to him... >Actually Kevan doesn't even find the email to him. Unless you're trying >to confuse me by sending a sign-up email under the nom de guerre of >"Pulp" or "Gallivanting Tripper", and posting to the mailing list with >a completely different name and address, or something. Faux pas! Thusly have I exhausted my knowledge of the French language. Or something. Anyway, sorry about not being more explicit in my e-mail; I am commonly known as Pulp. I suppose that is just as acceptable as Josh in the game, though I might develop strong bifurcated personality symptoms if people use both. :) Sorry for the confusion. Josh From RavenBlack Thu Mar 16 07:57:38 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 15:57:51 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5127 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 15:57:49 -0000 Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 15:57:49 -0000 Received: from raven.alder.erols.com ([208.58.154.121] helo=roost) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12VceI-0000sy-00 for genomic@e...; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:57:22 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000316105905.0308006c@w...> X-Sender: raven@w... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:59:05 -0500 To: genomic@e... From: RavenBlack In-Reply-To: <8aqubp$bv66@e...> Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: No Subject MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Anyway, sorry about not being more explicit in my e-mail; I am >commonly known as Pulp. I suppose that is just as acceptable >as Josh in the game, though I might develop strong bifurcated >personality symptoms if people use both. :) May I request that you attempt to settle on one (or less) of "Josh", "Pulp" and "Stanley Kubrick"? Choosing to use a name that matches your email settings would be convenient for those of us reading such things. Demanding, --RavenBlack From Pulp Thu Mar 16 09:03:44 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 17:03:58 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 12759 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 17:03:49 -0000 Received: from smtp.wpi.edu (130.215.24.62) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 17:03:49 -0000 Received: from grover.WPI.EDU (root@g... [130.215.25.67]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GH3mA02017 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (pulp@l... [127.0.0.1]) by grover.WPI.EDU (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GH3mD09863 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:03:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:03:47 -0500 (EST) From: Pulp To: genomic@e... In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20000316105905.0308006c@w...> Message-ID: Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: No Subject MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > May I request that you attempt to settle on one (or less) of > "Josh", "Pulp" and "Stanley Kubrick"? Choosing to use a name > that matches your email settings would be convenient for those > of us reading such things. Fair enough. To start anew: Hi, I'm Pulp. Glad to be here. Joshua Millard == pulp@w... && www.wpi.edu/~pulp .-'-. '-.-' .-'-. '-.-' Yo' momma's .sig is so big, she's got to use a full screen editor just to, um, edit it. Yeah. From Thu Mar 16 09:24:39 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 17:24:53 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 62 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 17:24:51 -0000 Received: from oe9.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.113) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 17:24:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 63160 invoked by uid 65534); 16 Mar 2000 17:24:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000316172451.63159.qmail@h...> X-Originating-IP: [194.202.149.139] From: "Adam S" To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:22:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: No Subject MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01BF8F6C.332054A0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BF8F6C.332054A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Fair enough. To start anew: Hi, I'm Pulp. Glad to be here. Joshua Millard =3D=3D pulp@w... && www.wpi.edu/~pulp *chuckles* "Hi, I'm Pulp, signed, Joshua" I'll get me coat.... ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BF8F6C.332054A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable 
Fair enough. To start anew:

Hi, I'm Pulp. Glad to be here.

Joshua Millard =3D=3D pulp@w... &=
;& www.wpi.edu/~pulp

*chuckles*
 
"Hi, I'm Pulp, signed,=
Joshua"
 
I'll get me coat....
 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BF8F6C.332054A0-- From Pulp Thu Mar 16 09:33:24 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 17:33:38 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26399 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 17:33:33 -0000 Received: from smtp.wpi.edu (130.215.24.62) by mx3.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 17:33:33 -0000 Received: from grover.WPI.EDU (root@g... [130.215.25.67]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GHXWA18950 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (pulp@l... [127.0.0.1]) by grover.WPI.EDU (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GHXVD26486 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:33:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:33:31 -0500 (EST) From: Pulp To: genomic@egroups.com In-Reply-To: <20000316172451.63159.qmail@h...> Message-ID: Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: No Subject MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Fair enough. To start anew: > > Hi, I'm Pulp. Glad to be here. > > Joshua Millard == pulp@w... && www.wpi.edu/~pulp > > *chuckles* > > "Hi, I'm Pulp, signed, Joshua" > > I'll get me coat.... By god, I tried to get rid o' that ambiguity, but it keeps comin' back! I don't usually ponder my .sig too often, but hey, it says pulp a couple time, eh? Sure, it says my given name too, but, well, that's the way I like it. If it's going to disturb anyone, I suppose I could try and rig up a trick to attach a different sig to the genomic emails, but, well, gah! We're all smart folks, I think. Pulp (please disregard the following ambiguous signature file) Joshua Millard == pulp@w... && www.wpi.edu/~pulp .-'-. '-.-' .-'-. '-.-' Yo' momma's .sig is so big, she's got to use a full screen editor just to, um, edit it. Yeah. From Graeme Jefferis Thu Mar 16 09:53:26 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by q6; 16 Mar 2000 17:53:40 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30009 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 17:53:06 -0000 Received: from grieg.dmu.ac.uk (HELO dmu.ac.uk) (146.227.1.5) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 17:53:06 -0000 Received: from garozzo.cse.dmu.ac.uk (root@g... [146.227.102.42]) by dmu.ac.uk (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id e2GHpav26265 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:51:36 GMT Received: from ibis.cs.cse.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@i... [146.227.102.31]) by garozzo.cse.dmu.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/g3.1b) with ESMTP id RAA03885 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:53:04 GMT From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@l...) by ibis.cs.cse.dmu.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/c1.8) id RAA29045 for genomic@egroups.com; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:53:03 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:53:03 GMT Message-Id: <200003161753.RAA29045@i...> To: genomic@egroups.com Content-MD5: 0cKXtNndfFNvTO3kM+9Jxw== Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: No Subject MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ... If it's going to disturb anyone, I suppose I could try and > rig up a trick to attach a different sig to the genomic emails, but, well, > gah! We're all smart folks, I think. > Quite so, though I'm sure no offence was meant. My introductory piece follows near-immediately... -Graeme. From Graeme Jefferis Thu Mar 16 10:00:10 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 18:00:23 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 2947 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 18:00:20 -0000 Received: from chopin.dmu.ac.uk (HELO dmu.ac.uk) (146.227.1.74) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 18:00:20 -0000 Received: from garozzo.cse.dmu.ac.uk (root@g... [146.227.102.42]) by dmu.ac.uk (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id e2GHwuD21197 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:58:56 GMT Received: from ibis.cs.cse.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@i... [146.227.102.31]) by garozzo.cse.dmu.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/g3.1b) with ESMTP id SAA04094 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:00:19 GMT From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@l...) by ibis.cs.cse.dmu.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/c1.8) id SAA29054 for genomic@e...; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:00:18 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:00:18 GMT Message-Id: <200003161800.SAA29054@i...> To: genomic@e... Content-MD5: Rm7kicRsVF8fvzUfYuIKzw== Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Further adventures in introduction. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello: I'm Grimace, sometimes called Graeme Jefferis. I've played (with heavily varying degrees of involvement) Radio Free Nomic, Mornington Nomic and Garden Nomic. Radio Free Nomic is my current Nomic of choice. Oh, I made an abortive attempt to join AckaNomic as well. I'm at De Montfort University in Leicester, UK, where I'm halfway through the second year of a software engineering course. I enjoy games of all flavours; current favorites include Bridge, Icehouse variants, and Kemps. I also play saxophone and clarinet, most notably with a band called Cut Out (http://www.cutout.org.uk) A little more can be found on my homepage. http://www.cse.dmu.ac.uk/~se98gj/ Enough of that. -Grimace. From Thu Mar 16 13:07:42 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 21:07:56 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 19142 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 21:07:51 -0000 Received: from mr.egroups.com (10.1.1.37) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 21:07:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: oloros@b... Received: from [10.1.2.130] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2000 21:07:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:07:49 -0800 From: "Oloros" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8arif5$3cuu@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] chatter in the outfield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just how many weeks does anyone think that Genomic will last before there are victory conditions imposed? Does anyone have arguments for or against such conditions? -Oloros From RavenBlack Thu Mar 16 14:14:41 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 22:14:54 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23322 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 22:14:53 -0000 Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 22:14:53 -0000 Received: from raven.alder.erols.com ([208.58.154.121] helo=roost) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ViXb-000156-00 for genomic@e...; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:14:52 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000316171622.03085ff0@w...> X-Sender: raven@w... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:16:22 -0500 To: genomic@e... From: RavenBlack In-Reply-To: <8arif5$3cuu@e...> Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: chatter in the outfield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Just how many weeks does anyone think that Genomic will last before >there are victory conditions imposed? Does anyone have arguments for >or against such conditions? Yes, I have arguments For... There isn't much point in a set of Rules if there isn't a destination of some sort. Not necessarily a winning condition, but such is by far the easiest to come by. I can't think of any arguments Against - part of the point of a Nomic, to my eye, is modifying the Rules so that, though there is a winning condition, nobody (except yourself) reaches it. --RavenBlack From Thu Mar 16 14:38:16 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 22:38:30 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14605 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 22:38:28 -0000 Received: from f247.law8.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.247) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 22:38:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 4049 invoked by uid 0); 16 Mar 2000 22:38:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000316223828.4048.qmail@h...> Received: from 204.60.28.207 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:38:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.60.28.207] From: "Tyrethali Ansrath" To: genomic@egroups.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:38:28 EST Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: chatter in the outfield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, for the Against side, it's a shame to play a nomic for a while, having all sorts of fun, then watching it end because someone got a few extra points or something. While I have nothing against ranking systems or points or such, most "winning" conditions of other nomics are more like area-specific reset buttons. Which is another thing I don't mind. But then again, I always see playing Nomic as fun in itself, rather than trying to "win" it. Sub-games, on the other hand... ______________________________________________________ From Thu Mar 16 14:46:46 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 16 Mar 2000 22:47:00 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13787 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 22:46:58 -0000 Received: from smtp.screaming.net (212.49.224.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 22:46:58 -0000 Received: from thetwistedone (dyn101-ras18.froglike.co.uk [212.49.241.101]) by smtp.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05761 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:47:44 GMT Message-ID: <000401bf8f99$7d680300$0100a8c0@t...> From: "TheTwistedOne" To: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:54:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] eGroups and HTML mail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morning, May I suggest that we please don't use the egroups thing to post messages, if at all possible? Outlook Express is completely incapable of understanding that it shouldn't try and connect to the net about 4 times for each tag in a mail. It's infuriating, to say the least. If, of course, you have no easily accessible alternative, then I completely understand. Thanks, TheTwistedOne mailto:thetwistedone@t... http://www.thetwistedzone.net From Thu Mar 16 16:25:08 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 17 Mar 2000 00:25:21 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 16856 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 00:25:19 -0000 Received: from mr.egroups.com (10.1.1.37) by iqg.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 00:25:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: oloros@b... Received: from [10.1.2.130] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2000 00:25:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:25:15 -0800 From: "Oloros" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8aru1b$o15t@e...> In-Reply-To: <000401bf8f99$7d680300$0100a8c0@t...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: eGroups and HTML mail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit guilty as charged, but perhaps . . . > May I suggest that we please don't use the egroups thing to post messages, > if at all possible? > You may want to check your user-settings in egroups (button: "my space"; button: "user info") and toggle the "default settings". > If, of course, you have no easily accessible alternative, then I completely > understand. > It is just easier to manage my aliases using the egroups email client. Let us know if this does not work out. From Thu Mar 16 18:23:35 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 17 Mar 2000 02:23:49 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 5635 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 02:23:48 -0000 Received: from fg.egroups.com (10.1.2.134) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 02:23:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: se98gj@d... Received: from [10.1.2.16] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2000 02:23:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:23:42 -0800 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8as4ve$bhrr@e...> In-Reply-To: <8arif5$3cuu@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: chatter in the outfield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Just how many weeks does anyone think that Genomic will last before > there are victory conditions imposed? Does anyone have arguments for > or against such conditions? Hm. Hopefully a little longer yet - it would be nice to get a bit of a distinctive 'feel' before we start implementing methods to win by. I'm never into the usual win-by-paradox scheming, really. I think such winning strategies often just encourage poorly worded rules. You can correctly argue that that's the real point of Nomic, but I just play for fun, happier to play straight and win by some points system or what-have-you. Loophole surfing's a different matter; the more ingenious, the better. And a few nice innovative sub-games wouldn't go amiss either. Oh, while I'm at it, ruleset structure always becomes a bugbear after the first few weeks of a Nomic's life. If it becomes clear that things are going to get messy, I'd rather impose a structure early, than be shunting lots of rules around later. -Grimace. From RavenBlack Thu Mar 16 19:00:40 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 17 Mar 2000 03:00:53 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29826 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 03:00:51 -0000 Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 03:00:51 -0000 Received: from raven.alder.erols.com ([208.58.154.121] helo=roost) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12Vn0G-000347-00 for genomic@e...; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:00:44 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000316220219.0308d440@w...> X-Sender: raven@w... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:02:19 -0500 To: genomic@e... From: RavenBlack In-Reply-To: <8as4ve$bhrr@e...> References: <8arif5$3cuu@e...> Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: chatter in the outfield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Oh, while I'm at it, ruleset structure always becomes a bugbear after >the first few weeks of a Nomic's life. If it becomes clear that things >are going to get messy, I'd rather impose a structure early, than >be shunting lots of rules around later. It seems to me that this, discussion of subgames, questions of winning methods... All are moot, in a way. That's what gets decided by the vote. Unless you're inquiring as to whether certain forms of Proposal will get a winning vote... Not that I'm saying such discussion is bad, mind. It's for the entertainment, of course. Plus it repeated some webpage addresses such that I visited them and found splend things. Who here would play a Java-ised online version of Icehouse? ( http://www.wunderland.com/icehouse/IcehouseTOC.html ) (Icehouse is one of the splend things - thanks, Grimace) And, dammit, does anyone know how to do a multi-player Java thing without running a server for it? Is there a better way than interfacing to a file on a website through a Perl script? Okay, so I'm off topic. But I believe everyone introduced themselves as programmers or other sorts of geek, so... nyah. --RavenBlack raven@r... ICQ 3105892 http://www.ravenblack.net/ Why do fools fall in love? So they can reproduce and outnumber us. From Thu Mar 16 23:34:31 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 17 Mar 2000 07:34:45 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 11419 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 07:34:44 -0000 Received: from ci.egroups.com (10.1.2.81) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 07:34:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dmckenna@x... Received: from [10.1.2.119] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2000 07:34:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:34:40 -0800 From: "David S. McKenna" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8asn6g$j5oq@e...> In-Reply-To: <8aqs6u$36lk@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: i love to join your game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Paul - I have a self-developed board game on the shelf - Its called "Crime Pays". Perhaps you would be the person to move it along to the next level. Drop me an EMail if you think you would be interested in discussing it. -Mac From Thu Mar 16 23:45:27 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 17 Mar 2000 07:45:41 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 17203 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 07:45:39 -0000 Received: from b05.egroups.com (10.1.2.184) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 07:45:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dmckenna@x... Received: from [10.1.2.7] by b05.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2000 07:45:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:45:32 -0800 From: "David S. McKenna" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8asnqs$l3qv@e...> In-Reply-To: <8arif5$3cuu@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: chatter in the outfield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "oloros" wrote: > Just how many weeks does anyone think that Genomic will last before > there are victory conditions imposed? Does anyone have arguments for > or against such conditions? Personally: I've never proposed a win condition. I've voted for one, and it passed. I don't much care for win conditions. Is an especially appealing one comes along, I will not hesitate to vote for it. My guess: 1st Win Condition Proposal: Week 3 1st Win Condition Proposal bing passed: Week 7 ist Win: Week 14 Its just a guess. To spite me, someone may suggest one THIS week. - Mac From Thu Mar 16 23:55:14 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 17 Mar 2000 07:55:28 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 23710 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 07:55:26 -0000 Received: from mq.egroups.com (10.1.1.36) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 07:55:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dmckenna@x... Received: from [10.1.2.123] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2000 07:55:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:55:23 -0800 From: "David S. McKenna" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8asodb$c33l@e...> In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20000316171622.03085ff0@w...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: chatter in the outfield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ravenblack wrote: > I can't think of any arguments Against - part of the > point of a Nomic, to my eye, is modifying the Rules so > that, though there is a winning condition, nobody > (except yourself) reaches it. That is a refreshingly different perspective from my own: Since most nomics do not close up shop when the eventually proposed win condition is achieved, what is won becomes debatable. Satisfying, perhaps, but the uber-game is never really won...anything which IS won is a sub-game. There may be many such sub-games. A perspective, not an argument. - Mac From Fri Mar 17 00:02:42 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 17 Mar 2000 08:02:56 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 27896 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 08:02:54 -0000 Received: from cj.egroups.com (10.1.2.82) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 08:02:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dmckenna@x... Received: from [10.1.2.124] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2000 08:02:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:01:40 -0800 From: "David S. McKenna" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8asop4$dg7g@e...> In-Reply-To: <000401bf8f99$7d680300$0100a8c0@t...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: eGroups and HTML mail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "thetwistedone" wrote: > May I suggest that we please don't use the egroups thing to post messages, > if at all possible? Outlook Express is completely incapable of understanding > that it shouldn't try and connect to the net about 4 times for each src=> tag in a mail. It's infuriating, to say the least. If my access to this Nomic involved some kind of EMail client, instead of whatever this navigation tool I'm using now happens to be, I sincerely doubt that I would participate. ::shrug:: I use outlook for my mail. Whatever I am doing here, I do not consider it EMail. - Mac From Fri Mar 17 00:19:14 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 17 Mar 2000 08:19:28 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 14711 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 08:19:26 -0000 Received: from c9.egroups.com (10.1.2.66) by iqg.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 08:19:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dmckenna@x... Received: from [10.1.2.129] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2000 08:19:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:19:18 -0800 From: "David S. McKenna" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8aspq6$ouu2@e...> In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20000316220219.0308d440@w...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: chatter in the outfield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ravenblack wrote: > And, dammit, does anyone know how to do a multi-player Java > thing without running a server for it? Is there a better way > than interfacing to a file on a website through a Perl script? > Okay, so I'm off topic. But I believe everyone introduced > themselves as programmers or other sorts of geek, so... nyah. I've been considering this for some time now, and while I recognise it is beyond my current expertise, I'm nearly certain its what I'll end up having to do. If you can put a perlscript on the web-server, you should be able to put up a java servlet as well. That server would still be the one executing the code. OTOH, can Applets establish socket connections? If so, the game would require a hosting player to run the "Host" applet, and players would probably have to be told what socket connection to use. Perhaps meeting in a chatroom of some sort to coordinate, and then another application for the game. I'm working on this same problem, so if you get a better answer, I hope you won't mind sharing it with me. - Mac From Fri Mar 17 01:54:24 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 17 Mar 2000 09:54:38 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 687 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 09:54:36 -0000 Received: from ck.egroups.com (10.1.2.83) by iqg.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 09:54:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@s... Received: from [10.1.2.119] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2000 09:54:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:52:09 -0800 From: "Kevan Davis" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8asv89$j7ni@e...> In-Reply-To: <8asodb$c33l@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Winalot MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thirty-eight messages? Grief. You have been busy. > Since most nomics do not close up shop when the eventually proposed win > condition is achieved, what is won becomes debatable. Satisfying, > perhaps, but the uber-game is never really won...anything which IS won > is a sub-game. > There may be many such sub-games. I think this is the way to go, really - it'd be a bit sad if there was a way to win Genomic in a "right, put the pieces away and start again" fashion, because it'd mean throwing away everything we'd spent 'x' weeks building up. The winner of a casual face-to-face Nomic is fair enough, since they only take an hour or two of your life, but closing the box on an epic Internet Nomic seems quite wasteful. In my mind, "winning" should involve nothing more than applauding the winning Player, resetting everyones scores (or pennies, or genes, or trilobites, or cigarettes) and then continuing to play, seeing who can win next. Or something to that effect (maybe giving the previous winner a head start, or handicap). Winning should be a way of giving a talented Player some credit for their achievement (which, if particularly interesting, might be documented on the Web page somewhere), as well as providing a neat way to divide the Nomic into little eras ("Game 1 was won by Raven on the 6th of April when he destroyed everyone's starships in a supernova", "Game 2 was won by Mac on the 14th of June when he bribed the Voting Droid to vote through a 'Mac wins the game' Proposal", etc.). As for how soon such a thing springs up, I'm not really bothered. And could happily survive without one - dear old Mornington Nomic has been focused entirely on subgames for a good couple of years, now, with absolutely no concept of a "Nomic winner", and it's perfectly enjoyable just tinkering the rules. I'm in this game for the creativity and amusement, above all else. Having a goal to aim for is fair enough, but can be as easily boring as dramatic, really. (cf. ParaNomic) Kevan -- kevan@s... http://www.stormloader.com/kevan From RavenBlack Fri Mar 17 08:54:00 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 17 Mar 2000 16:54:15 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14916 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 16:54:13 -0000 Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 16:54:13 -0000 Received: from raven.alder.erols.com ([208.58.154.121] helo=roost) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12W00q-00063O-00 for genomic@e...; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:54:12 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000317115433.030f8d60@w...> X-Sender: raven@w... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:54:33 -0500 To: genomic@e... From: RavenBlack In-Reply-To: <8aspq6$ouu2@e...> References: <3.0.2.32.20000316220219.0308d440@w...> Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: chatter in the outfield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Java multi-player thing with no server] I was posting a long off-topic message, here, then figured it's very off-topic, and long, so instead I shall make it a link. Anyone interested in this topic, mail me and I'll throw a pseudo sub-list together for it if there's a few of you. The message is here http://www.ravenblack.net/icehouse/discussion.txt --RavenBlack From Fri Mar 17 10:48:33 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 17 Mar 2000 18:48:46 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13570 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 18:48:23 -0000 Received: from oe42.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.37) by mx3.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 18:48:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 61323 invoked by uid 65534); 17 Mar 2000 18:48:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000317184823.61322.qmail@h...> X-Originating-IP: [213.1.197.235] From: "Adam S" To: References: <000401bf8f99$7d680300$0100a8c0@t...> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:28:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: eGroups and HTML mail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF8F9F.5CE13BA0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF8F9F.5CE13BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm. Is there no way to set your e-mail up to ignore HTML tags? or simply turn off auto connect ? :) Adam May I suggest that we please don't use the egroups thing to post messages, if at all possible? Outlook Express is completely incapable of understandin= g that it shouldn't try and connect to the net about 4 times for each tag in a mail. It's infuriating, to say the least. If, of course, you have no easily accessible alternative, then I completely understand. Thanks, TheTwistedOne mailto:thetwistedone@t... http://www.thetwistedzone.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- To Post a message, send it to: genomic@e... 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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF8F9F.5CE13BA0-- From oloros@b... Fri Mar 17 11:33:45 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 17 Mar 2000 19:34:00 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12921 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 19:33:58 -0000 Received: from c004-h012.c004.sfo.cp.net (HELO c004.sfo.cp.net) (209.228.14.98) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 19:33:58 -0000 Received: (cpmta 11163 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 11:33:57 -0800 Date: 17 Mar 2000 11:33:57 -0800 Message-ID: <20000317193357.11162.cpmta@c...> X-Sent: 17 Mar 2000 19:33:57 GMT Received: from [209.152.157.2] by mail.britannica.com with HTTP; 17 Mar 2000 11:33:57 PST Content-Disposition: inline To: genomic@egroups.com From: oloros@b... X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.5.1.4 Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: chatter in the outfield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 16 March 2000, "Mac" wrote: > >My guess: 1st Win Condition Proposal: Week 3 > 1st Win Condition Proposal being passed: Week 7 > ist Win: Week 14 > >Its just a guess. To spite me, someone may suggest one THIS week. > I'd make a wager, if I had anything with which to do so. Or a betting-pool, if we all did. My own guess: There is a Win Condition proposed for next week (not one from me); it will not be passed; and the First Era of Genomic shall be won between weeks 21 and 24. Just shooting from the hip, -Oloros ______________________________________________ Get free e-mail at http://www.britannica.com From Fri Mar 17 18:27:14 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 18 Mar 2000 02:27:28 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26918 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2000 02:27:27 -0000 Received: from smtp.screaming.net (212.49.224.20) by mx3.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 02:27:27 -0000 Received: from thetwistedone (dyn150-ras19.froglike.co.uk [212.49.242.150]) by smtp.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA11138 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 02:28:14 GMT Message-ID: <001c01bf9081$75616000$0100a8c0@t...> From: "TheTwistedOne" To: References: <000401bf8f99$7d680300$0100a8c0@t...> <20000317184823.61322.qmail@h...> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 02:27:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: eGroups and HTML mail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morning all, Adam S: >Hmmm. Is there no way to set your e-mail up to ignore HTML tags? Nope. Such is the "user-friendly" approach of Microsoft consumer products. >or simply turn off auto connect ? :) I have auto-connect turned off. Hence it's insistence on popping up the dialup connection dialog, asking me to connect. Mac: >If my access to this Nomic involved some kind of EMail client, instead >of whatever this navigation tool I'm using now happens to be, I >sincerely doubt that I would participate. ::shrug:: Hence my saying that only if possible, don't use it. I don't want to be the cause of anyone not playing. Such would make me a batstand. >Whatever I am doing here, I do not consider it EMail. Whatever you post here, gets sent to the mailing list, via email. Therefore, it is email. But again, I don't want to try and force anything on anyone. I'm just making it clear that eGroups seem to be a little uncaring of people who don't have permanent, free connections to the internet, or a dislike for HTML emails. Oloros: >You may want to check your user-settings in egroups (button: "my >space"; button: "user info") and toggle the "default settings". Distressingly, my profile says that I use a plain-text email client. Yet the eGroups list-thing insists on sending me HTML-formatted email. Yum. >It is just easier to manage my aliases using the egroups email client. Fair enough. Everyone: Whatever. It was merely a request, because the eGroups thing seems ill-thought out and inconsiderate, especially when the mailing list is to be read by Outlook Express. Since the opinion seems to be that the eGroups thing is easier for others, I shall use it too, and treat the copies I receive on the mailing list as a backup. No biggie. I'm really just looking forward to seeing what everyone's come up with in this first week. I know I had fun, stretching my mental legs, trying to get into the mind-frame for decent Proposals. I hope I've at least partially succeeded. TheTwistedOne mailto:thetwistedone@t... http://www.thetwistedzone.net From RavenBlack Fri Mar 17 19:56:51 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 18 Mar 2000 03:57:06 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24770 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2000 03:57:05 -0000 Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 03:57:05 -0000 Received: from raven.alder.erols.com ([208.58.154.121] helo=roost) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12WAMK-0004he-00 for genomic@egroups.com; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:57:04 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000317225752.0076501c@w...> X-Sender: raven@w... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:57:52 -0500 To: genomic@egroups.com From: RavenBlack In-Reply-To: <001c01bf9081$75616000$0100a8c0@t...> References: <000401bf8f99$7d680300$0100a8c0@t...> <20000317184823.61322.qmail@h...> Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: eGroups and HTML mail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, someone already made this point, but they didn't make it very clearly. Here's how to get the HTML to go away. Go to http://www.egroups.com/group/genomic/ (at least, that's the point I'm starting this from) Click the "My space" button near the top. (and sign in if you're not cookie'd in) Click the "User info" tab on the left. Click "Edit" next to default settings. At this point you may have already seen the "Email client" thing, which, when editing your preferences, you can set to "Plain text only". Problem solved. "You may have already won". --RavenBlack raven@r... ICQ 3105892 http://www.ravenblack.net/ "The Crow wish'd everything was black, The Owl that everything was white." From Sat Mar 18 04:13:25 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 18 Mar 2000 12:13:39 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29465 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2000 12:13:37 -0000 Received: from smtp.screaming.net (212.49.224.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 12:13:37 -0000 Received: from thetwistedone (dyn163-ras28.froglike.co.uk [212.49.251.163]) by smtp.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA25121 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:14:25 GMT Message-ID: <003101bf90d3$586beb30$0100a8c0@t...> From: "TheTwistedOne" To: References: <000401bf8f99$7d680300$0100a8c0@t...> <20000317184823.61322.qmail@h...> <3.0.2.32.20000317225752.0076501c@w...> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:12:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: eGroups and HTML mail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Here's how to get the HTML to go away. > Go to http://www.egroups.com/group/genomic/ > (at least, that's the point I'm starting this from) > Click the "My space" button near the top. (and sign in if > you're not cookie'd in) > Click the "User info" tab on the left. > Click "Edit" next to default settings. > At this point you may have already seen the "Email client" > thing, which, when editing your preferences, you can set > to "Plain text only". Problem solved. Are you paying attention? I don't think you're paying attention, are you? :) "Distressingly, my profile says that I use a plain-text email client. Yet the eGroups list-thing insists on sending me HTML-formatted email. Yum." I understood what Oloros advised; I checked it. I am set as using a plain-text email client. Have been since I created my account. Although, having said that, the last few messages /have/ been plain text. Perhaps the system picked me for random annoyance, or something [shrugs] TheTwistedOne mailto:thetwistedone@t... http://www.thetwistedzone.net From RavenBlack Sat Mar 18 08:01:33 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 18 Mar 2000 16:01:47 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8758 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2000 16:01:45 -0000 Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 16:01:45 -0000 Received: from raven.alder.erols.com ([208.58.154.121] helo=roost) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12WLfd-0002Mp-00 for genomic@egroups.com; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:01:45 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000318110257.030ffe14@w...> X-Sender: raven@w... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:02:57 -0500 To: genomic@egroups.com From: RavenBlack In-Reply-To: <003101bf90d3$586beb30$0100a8c0@t...> References: <000401bf8f99$7d680300$0100a8c0@t...> <20000317184823.61322.qmail@h...> <3.0.2.32.20000317225752.0076501c@w...> Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: eGroups and HTML mail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Are you paying attention? I don't think you're paying >attention, are you? :) No, not really. Probably nor was the egroups profile setting, though, since it ignored some of the things I set there, until I set them again. --RavenBlack From Sun Mar 19 07:33:59 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 19 Mar 2000 15:34:14 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 4784 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2000 15:34:12 -0000 Received: from mo.egroups.com (10.1.1.34) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2000 15:34:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@s... Received: from [10.1.2.121] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2000 15:34:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 07:34:11 -0800 From: "Kevan Davis" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8b2s1j$b1j3@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Week-End Reminder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. Just a reminder that Week One ends tomorrow at 1pm (GMT), whatever that might translate to for your timezone. If you've got any Proposals you plan to submit this Week, and haven't already sent them to me, be sure to get them in by the end of the Week. (And if you've got some Proposals ready but haven't actually signed up as a Player yet, feel free to cough out a combined entry-request-and-Proposal-list.) Depending on how much work I've got and how sunny it is, Interregnum One should start at 1:00pm and finish at about 1:10pm. An impressive array of Proposals has already been thrown at me, anyway; I look forward to seeing the discussion of them when they hit the mailing list. Unexpectedly pleasing to see so many people putting the effort in. Your Speaker, Kevan -- kevan@s... http://www.stormloader.com/kevan From Mon Mar 20 03:10:19 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 20 Mar 2000 11:10:34 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 28245 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2000 11:10:03 -0000 Received: from ef.egroups.com (10.1.2.111) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2000 11:10:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dmckenna@x... Received: from [10.1.2.16] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2000 11:10:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:10:00 -0800 From: "David S. McKenna" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8b50u8$arno@e...> In-Reply-To: <200003161800.SAA29054@i...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: Further adventures in introduction. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hello: I'm Grimace, sometimes called Graeme Jefferis. Hey, Grimmace - nice to see you again. I was Abirrond in the Garden. - Mac From Mon Mar 20 03:17:37 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 20 Mar 2000 11:17:53 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 8366 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2000 11:17:51 -0000 Received: from fg.egroups.com (10.1.2.134) by iqg.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2000 11:17:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dmckenna@x... Received: from [10.1.2.6] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2000 11:17:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:17:47 -0800 From: "David S. McKenna" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8b51cr$9qsp@e...> In-Reply-To: <8as4ve$bhrr@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: chatter in the outfield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "graeme jefferis" wrote: > Oh, while I'm at it, ruleset structure always becomes a bugbear after > the first few weeks of a Nomic's life. If it becomes clear that things > are going to get messy, I'd rather impose a structure early, than > be shunting lots of rules around later. You should look at the rules for McNomic. Keven thinks they are scandolously awkward. I love them. If a rule needs to be shunted, we propose to shunt it. We are only here to edit one document. From Mon Mar 20 03:37:05 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 20 Mar 2000 11:37:21 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 8415 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2000 11:37:18 -0000 Received: from mr.egroups.com (10.1.1.37) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2000 11:37:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dmckenna@x... Received: from [10.1.2.120] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2000 11:37:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:37:08 -0800 From: "David S. McKenna" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8b52h4$2era@e...> In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20000317115433.030f8d60@w...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: chatter in the outfield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ravenblack wrote: > The message is here > http://www.ravenblack.net/icehouse/discussion.txt Jesus Murphy, Ravenblack...there is so much in that message I want to talk to. Its not gonna happen tonight tho. From Mon Mar 20 03:40:28 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 20 Mar 2000 11:40:43 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 9953 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2000 11:40:42 -0000 Received: from imv.egroups.com (HELO mv.egroups.com) (10.1.1.41) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2000 11:40:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dmckenna@x... Received: from [10.1.2.123] by mv.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2000 11:40:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:40:34 -0800 From: "David S. McKenna" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8b52ni$c81m@e...> In-Reply-To: <20000317193357.11162.cpmta@c...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: chatter in the outfield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oloro-@b... wrote: > There is a Win Condition proposed for next week (not one from me); it will not be passed; and the First Era of Genomic shall be won between weeks 21 and 24. > Just shooting from the hip, Between the two of us, I think we have the basis for a bettingpool here. That would certainly queer this up... From Mon Mar 20 04:01:19 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 20 Mar 2000 12:01:34 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31108 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2000 12:01:32 -0000 Received: from oe25.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.245) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2000 12:01:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 9793 invoked by uid 65534); 20 Mar 2000 12:01:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000320120132.9792.qmail@h...> X-Originating-IP: [194.202.149.139] From: "Adam S" To: References: <8b50u8$arno@e...> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:00:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Re: Further adventures in introduction. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF9263.DAB4C1C0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF9263.DAB4C1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable >I was Abirrond in the Garden. Sounds like 'Cluedo' .... (or 'Clue' for Americans....) Adam ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF9263.DAB4C1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable 
>I was Abirrond in the Garden.

Sounds like 'Cluedo' .... (or 'Clue' for Americans....)
 
Adam
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF9263.DAB4C1C0-- From Mon Mar 20 05:03:30 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 20 Mar 2000 13:03:45 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 5457 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2000 13:03:45 -0000 Received: from mw.egroups.com (10.1.2.2) by iqg.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2000 13:03:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@s... Received: from [10.1.2.128] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2000 13:03:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 05:03:42 -0800 From: "Kevan Davis" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8b57je$lko0@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Week One Ends MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Week One has now ended. Proposals for Week Two will be coughed out to the mailing list momentarily, and also nailed up on the Web page. All Players can then cast votes on each Proposal anywhen before 1:00pm (GMT) on Monday the 27th of March, although it's probably best to wait and see what mailing list discussion they get before submitting any votes. Brace yourselves. Kevan -- kevan@s... http://www.stormloader.com/kevan From Mon Mar 20 05:08:05 2000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-genomic@egroups.com Received: (listserv 315); by a2; 20 Mar 2000 13:08:20 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-genomic@e... Received: (qmail 28971 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2000 13:08:07 -0000 Received: from mq.egroups.com (10.1.1.36) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2000 13:08:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@s... Received: from [10.1.2.119] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2000 13:08:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 05:08:00 -0800 From: "Kevan Davis" To: genomic@e... Message-ID: <8b57rg$rre8@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Mailing-List: contact genomic-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: genomic@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: genomic@egroups.com Subject: [genomic] Week Two Proposals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +-------------------------------------------------------+ | GENOMIC PROPOSALS - Year One, Week Two | +-------------------------------------------------------+ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 001 - Your Vote can make a difference! In Rule 6 (Votes), replace the sentence "During a given Week, each Player may cast one Vote for every Proposal that was distributed by the Speaker at the start of that Week." with "During a given Week, each Player may cast one Vote with regards to each Proposal that was distributed by the Speaker at the start of that Week." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 002 - Cash in your chips Enact a new Rule:- A Player, having submitted the maximum allowable number of Proposals in a given Week, may choose to exchange their right to Vote on two Proposals during the same Week in order to submit one more Proposal. Likewise, a Player having cast their Votes for a given Week, may exchange one Proposal for the same Week in order that they may cast one extra Vote. A Vote gained by exchanging a Proposal may not be in favour of one of the Players own Proposals. A Player may not request a Proposal should e have remaining Proposals, nor may e request a Vote should e have remaining Votes. The desire to exchange Proposals or Votes should be expressed at the top of the Proposal or Vote. The Speaker may accept or refuse the request, and is under no obligation to give a reason as to why, but must inform the Player of the decision. If the Speaker rejects the request, the Vote or Proposal is illegal, and the Player's count of remaining Votes/Proposals remains unaltered. Should the Speaker accept the request, the request shall be removed from the text of the Proposal/Vote. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 003 - Proposing is its own reward Amend the first sentence of rule 5 to read: "During a given Week, each Player may submit a number of Proposals equal to four plus the number of Proposals that Player submitted that passed during the last Interregnum." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 004 - Megalomaniacs Anonymous Enact a new Rule:- TheTwistedOne may overturn the democratic process, including (but not necessarilt limited to) forcing a Proposal through into the Ruleset, or blocking a Proposal. This is regardless of the way the Votes fall. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 005 - Democratica mortis Repeal Rule 8 (Justice). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 006 - Paradox! Enact a new rule:- Proposals shall be considered for incorporation into the Ruleset (ie be Voted upon) in order of submission; that is, the datetime upon which the Speaker received the Proposal (and /not/ the datetime upon which the Player initiated the submission). This Rule allows that a Player may submit further Proposals, based on Proposals previously submitted to the Speaker, but not yet distributed to the mailing list and Voted upon, in the knowledge that e and it won't look absurd, and 'lose' valuable Proposal opportunities. This will help to prevent clashes between Proposals. Quite simply, the earlier submitted Proposal takes precedence over the later. When casting their Votes, Players must therefore take into consideration not only the Ruleset as it stands, but also Proposals which have passed (or not) before. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 007 - Statistical Analysis Each Player has associated with them a number of Scores. These Scores are maintained by the Speaker, updated during the Interregnum, and posted to the Mailing List and Web Page. There follows a list of the Scores and their descriptions: * Starting Week - the Week at which the Player joined the Game. * Proposals Made - how many Proposals the Player has submitted. * Proposals Accepted - how may of the Player's Proposals have Passed. * Votes Cast - how many Proposals the Player has Voted on. a Vote of "PASS" is counted as a Vote, if it is submitted by the Player and not merely defaulted. Similarly, Weekly Stats are recorded and posted by the Speaker, consisting of: * Proposals Made - how many Proposals there were that Week. * Proposals Accepted - how many of the Week's Proposals Passed. * Votes Cast - how many Votes were cast in the Week. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 008 - Siamese Twins If two Proposals have a very similar effect, the Speaker may, at eir discretion, reject the less specific or more poorly worded of them. The Proposer is informed immediately, and the Proposal does not count against their Weekly limit. If one of two such Proposals is made by the Speaker, the Speaker's Proposal must be rejected. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 009 - Legalise Creationism We're not really allowed to enact or repeal rules yet. So... Amend Rule 5 (Proposals) to read in its entirety as follows: During a given Week, each Player may submit up to five Proposals. A Proposal is a suggested modification (or a series of modifications) to the Ruleset. Each Proposal must have a title, typically a summary of its aims or a very bad pun. Proposals should be privately emailed to the Speaker. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 010 - Gene Genie Enact a new Rule called "DNA":- Each Player has a DNA String, consisting of 23 Genes; these Genes are numbered from one to twenty-three, and each is composed of either adenine, cysosine, guanine or thymine (A, C, G or T, for short). A record of each Player's DNA String shall be maintained by the Speaker, and listed on the Genomic Web Page, along with the resultant phenotypic effects given in the Rule "Just Not My Phenotype". When a new Player joins Genomic, two existing Players are selected at random as parents. A new DNA String is constructed by randomly combining the DNA of both parents (eg. Gene 1 has a 50% chance of being Parent A's Gene 1, and a 50% chance of being Parent B's Gene 1, and so forth); this DNA is then assigned to the new Player. Enact a new Rule called "Just Not My Phenotype":- The Genes of a Player's DNA may influence their powers and abilities in the game of Genomic. The following list describes any Genes which have known effects, for particular chemical components:- Gene 5 - Arms A : Player has no Arms. CG : Player has two Arms. T : Player has four Arms. Gene 6 - Legs A : Player has no Legs. C : Player has two Legs. G : Player has four Legs. T : Player has six Legs. Gene 12 - Mouth A : Player has a toothless Mouth. C : Player has a Beak. G : Player has a toothed Mouth. T : Player has a Mouth with Huge Pointy Teeth. Gene 16 - Size A : Player is Tiny (ant/beetle). C : Player is Small (pigeon/housecat). G : Player is Large (human/lion). T : Player is Huge (elephant/whale). Gene 20 - Eyes A : Player has rudimentary light-sensitive cells (these do not count as Eyes). C : Player has two human-style Eyes. G : Player has two multi-faceted Eyes. T : Player has two hollow chameleon-like Eyes. Gene 23 - Wings A : Player has two Wings. CGT : Player has no Wings. Upon the passage of this Proposal, each Player shall be assigned a randomly-generated DNA String. (This Proposal gives each Player an (insanely simplified) DNA String, and defines what some of the Genes do. As it stands, this doesn't affect the existing game at all; it might be amusing to adjust it to say things like "Player has no arms, and therefore cannot Vote." and give it more of a game impact. And, of course, Players are free to propose definitions of what the spare Genes do. (I imagine it could get quite interesting, and more realistic, to have a single Gene impacting numerous things: Gene 23 becoming "A: Player has wings if Gene 14 is C or Gene 9 is T"; that way, tinkering one Gene could impact the results of a number of others...)) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Proposal 011 - Data Protection Act In Rule 1 (The Ruleset and How to Obey It), replace "with the sole exception of changing the Ruleset" with "with the exception of changing the Ruleset or any data required to be stored by it". (Game data - such as, say, DNA in the previous Proposal - really needs to be as securely protected as the Ruleset itself.) Also replace "The Rules currently in effect are those most recently posted" with "The Ruleset currently in effect is the one most recently posted". (Extreme pedantry, just clarifying that if the Speaker cheerfully mentions a Rule on a part of the Genomic Web page *other than* the Ruleset page, it doesn't impact anything.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 012 - The Tyrannids Are Coming! Amend Rule 2 - Players and the Speaker - preceding "If the Speaker chooses to accept this application, that person becomes a Player." with "The Speaker may choose to accept an application, on the condition that all references to the Player, in their own application, begin with a capital letter. (Such references include "I" or their name)." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 013 - Perls of Wisdom Amend Rule 6, replacing "Votes should be privately emailed to the Speaker" with "Votes may be either privately emailed to the Speaker, or, preferably, cast with the web-based voting interface at http://www.ravenblack.net/~genomic/" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 014 - Perls of Wisdom (2) If this Proposal and "Perls of Wisdom" should pass, the effects of the Proposal "Perls of Wisdom" shall be rescinded. RavenBlack will get one extra Proposal next week. Amend Rule 6, replacing "Votes should be privately emailed to the Speaker" with "Votes may be either privately emailed to the Speaker, or, preferably, cast with the web-based voting interface at http://www.ravenblack.net/~genomic/. All Players are assigned a Username and Password for this by the Speaker, when they join." Upon this Proposal passing, all Players who are already in the game are assigned a Username and Password as if they had just joined. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 015 - Begin the Beguinne Where Rule 5 states "A Proposal is a suggested modification to the Ruleset, changing the text of any number of Rules.", replace with "A Proposal is a suggested modification, addition, or deletion to the Ruleset, that might change the text of any number of Rules.". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 016 - Tom Waits for No One Each Player shall gain one Seniority Point for each week in which that Player submits Votes. The following paragraph shall be added to Rule 7 where appropriate: "The Speaker shall increment the Seniority of each Player, and post a list of Players and their Seniority to the Mailing List." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 017 - The Grand Poohbah There exists an Office with the Title of Grand Poohbah, which may be held by any single Player. That Player shall be referred to as The Grand Poohbah. When The Grand Poohbah casts any Vote FOR a Proposal, that Vote counts as two Votes FOR that Proposal. The Office of Grand Poohbah passes to the Player who has cast the most Votes FOR all Proposals in the previous Week. Should there be more than one Player who meets these conditions, the Office remains with the current Player. The first holder of the Office of Grand Poohbah shall be determined in accordance with this Rule. Should more than one Player meet these conditions, the first hold shall be the Player who proposed this Rule. This paragraph shall be struck from the text of this Rule upon enactment. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 018 - Some Like It Hot The Temperature of Genomic is expressed as a positive integer number of units known as Kelvs. For each Proposal that is enacted as a Rule, the Temperature shall decrease by 1 Kelv. For each Proposal that is not enacted, the Temperature shall increase by 1 Kelv. The initial Temperature shall be set at 280 plus the Rule Number assigned to this Proposal when it is enacted. This paragraph shall be struck from the text of this Rule upon enactment. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 019 - Climatic Conditions Genomic shall have a Climate State that describes the Temperature. Should the Temperature of Genomic ever be less than 273 Kelvs, the Climate State is that of an Ice Age. In this state, a Proposal must receive an 80% majority of Votes to be enacted. Should the Temperature of Genomic ever be greater than 373 Kelvs, the Climate State is that of a Flare Period. In this state, a Proposal that receives 20% or greater Votes FOR shall be enacted. Should the Temperature of Genomic meet neither of these conditions, the Climate State is that of Temperate. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 020 - No Comment? Add the following paragraph to Rule 5 (Proposals):- Players may include comments in their Proposals. Any text contained within curly braces - "{}" - shall be ignored, as shall the braces themselves, when the Proposal containing them passes. (The Speaker may add comments to any Proposal before distributing it, signifying such by including the string "Speaker's Comments" in said comments.) Strictly speaking we can do comments already, since the paragraph you're reading now doesn't affect the ruleset at all and isn't part of a section to enact, but it'd be handy to have a formal system for it. And a way for the Speaker to add any comments he or she feels to be necessary ("Remember, because this Proposal was made by a Vegetarian, Players will lose Aubergine Points if they vote AGAINST it.", or whatever). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 021 - Survival of the Fittest If the Proposal "Gene Genie" did not pass, this Proposal shall have no effect. Enact a new Rule, "Natural Selection (and the Wine List, Please)":- A Player may attempt to Eat another Player by declaring this desire on the mailing list in a message with the subject line "Eating " (where "" is the name of any other Player), unless the Eating Player has Eaten another Player already this Week. (Players may not Eat other Players during the Interregnum.) When a Player successfully Eats another Player, the eaten Player dies and is replaced by one of his or her offspring. This is represented by three randomly-chosen genes of the eaten Player being randomised by the Speaker. In addition, the eating Player may assume one of the traits of the eaten Player; he or she should nominate a Gene number - that Gene in the eating Player is set to what it was in the Eaten Player (prior to being Eaten). Enact a new Rule, "How Not To Be Eaten":- The following restrictions apply to eating other Players. Attempts to Eat an uneatable Player shall result in the uneaten Player Eating the attempted-Eating Player instead (even if this would not normally be possible). * Huge Players may not be Eaten by Tiny or Small Players. * Players with Wings may not be Eaten by Players without Wings. * Players with Eyes may not be Eaten by Players without Eyes. * Players with Eyes and four Legs may not be Eaten by Players with two, six or no Legs. * Players with Eyes and Huge Pointy Teeth may not be Eaten by Players without Huge Pointy Teeth. (This could - and maybe even *should* - develop into a more chance-based, combat-oriented system of resolution. Maybe time to propose some defensive evolutionary tricks.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 022 - Does somebody need a hug? There exists a game entity known as the Teddy Bear. The Teddy Bear is an eligible voter, but not a player. Whenever the Teddy Bear may vote, it votes the same as the newest player. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Proposal 023 - Oopps For the purpose of this rule an error is defined as a misspelled word, unintended word, missing punctuation