From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 06 11:10:11 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 6 Dec 2000 19:10:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 45187 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2000 19:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Dec 2000 19:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Dec 2000 19:10:07 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.007F5668@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:10:08 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA24537; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:10:06 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: P1, P2 Date: 06 Dec 2000 14:10:06 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Proposal P1 was accepted. Proposal P2 was rejected for technical faults. Re-submission will be welcome. Gamestate updated. You guys all have zero pills. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 06 11:19:38 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 6 Dec 2000 19:19:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 76727 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2000 19:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Dec 2000 19:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Dec 2000 20:20:43 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.007F5776@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:19:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA26997; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:19:35 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Oh, duh Date: 06 Dec 2000 14:19:35 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 6 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sorry, I'm still getting used to this... Cancel the Directive. I can do it myself with a Proclamation. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 06 11:41:33 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 6 Dec 2000 19:41:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 48903 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2000 19:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Dec 2000 19:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Dec 2000 19:41:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.007F59CE@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:41:25 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA02408; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:41:24 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proclamation X1: eGroups Mailing List Date: 06 Dec 2000 14:41:24 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Rule 1 is amended by the addition of the following paragraph: ===== Doc maintains the DocNomic Web Site at <http://web.syr.edu/~rsholmes/games/nomic/docnomic/index.html> and the DocNomic Mailing List at <http://www.egroups.com/group/DocNomic>. ===== The first sentence of Rule 3 is amended to read as follows: ===== Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. ===== The first sentence of Rule 5 is amended to read as follows: ===== Any player may, at any time, submit a Point of Order to raise any issue relevant to the Game by sending it to the DocNomic Mailing List. ===== -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 07 02:35:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 10:35:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 37846 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 10:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 10:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ck.egroups.com) (10.1.2.83) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 11:36:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.59] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2000 10:35:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:35:09 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - Fresh Diseases / Taking it as Read Message-ID: <90np4t+nqud@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1404 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: "Kevan " ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Fresh Diseases Enact a new Rule, "Diseases":- A number of Diseases exist, as detailed in this Rule. Each Player may suffer from any number of Diseases; the Disease status of each Player shall be part of the Gamestate. Some Diseases are communicable. At a moment of his choosing every Thursday, Doc shall pick two random Players. Any Airborne Disease borne by the first shall be contracted by the second. Bit of a Cough (Airborne) A Player with this Disease should include the string "*cough*" at least twice in each Proposal message he or she submits, or that Proposal shall be ignored. Upon enactment of this Rule, a random Player shall contract "Bit of a Cough", and this paragraph shall delete itself. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Taking it as Read Remove from the Ruleset any sentences containing the phrase "is part of the gamestate" or "are part of the gamestate". In Rule 0, replace "Certain information reflecting the state of the game is known as the Gamestate." with "Any data required to be stored by a Rule is part of the Gamestate." Remove "; the Disease status of each Player shall be part of the Gamestate" from the Rule "Diseases", if it exists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 07 07:55:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 15:55:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 62962 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 15:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 15:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 16:56:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.51] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2000 15:55:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:55:50 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal - Body and Soul Message-ID: <90obu6+hvhs@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 705 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Body and Soul Enact a new Rule, "Body and Soul":- Each Player has a number of Body Points and Soul Points, adjusted by various events in the game. These Points are part of the gamestate. (If "Taking it as Read" passed, delete that last sentence. Delete this bracketed text either way.) Whenever a new Player joins the game, he or she has a hundred Body Points, and Soul Points equal to the average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). Each existing Player shall be given a hundred Body Points and a hundred Soul Points. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jjweston@pop.net Thu Dec 07 08:10:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 16:10:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 39878 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 16:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 16:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 16:10:49 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjsoe28902 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:10:48 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001207081041.011238b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:10:41 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal - Taking it as Read In-Reply-To: <90np4t+nqud@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston At 10:35 AM 12/7/2000 -0000, Kevan wrote: >Proposal - Taking it as Read > >Remove from the Ruleset any sentences containing the phrase "is part >of the gamestate" or "are part of the gamestate". > >In Rule 0, replace "Certain information reflecting the state of the >game is known as the Gamestate." with "Any data required to be stored >by a Rule is part of the Gamestate." > >Remove "; the Disease status of each Player shall be part of the >Gamestate" from the Rule "Diseases", if it exists. If you wish to remove the phrase "is part of the gamestate" from the rules, there are a number of other rules you need to ammend as well. Namely: 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 8. However, it looks like you are just replacing the phrase "is part of the gamestate" with "is required to be stored." With your ammendment to the Disease rule, you don't specify that the state of diseases must be stored. I'm not too fond of this proposal as it is... - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 07 08:40:51 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 30110 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.225] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:40:46 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal - Taking it as Read Message-ID: <90oeie+4qt4@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001207081041.011238b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1640 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > >Proposal - Taking it as Read > > > >Remove from the Ruleset any sentences containing the phrase "is part > >of the gamestate" or "are part of the gamestate". > > > >In Rule 0, replace "Certain information reflecting the state of the > >game is known as the Gamestate." with "Any data required to be stored > >by a Rule is part of the Gamestate." > > > >Remove "; the Disease status of each Player shall be part of the > >Gamestate" from the Rule "Diseases", if it exists. > > If you wish to remove the phrase "is part of the gamestate" from the > rules, there are a number of other rules you need to ammend as well. > Namely: 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 8. Er, aren't all of these caught by removing "any sentences containing the phrase "is part of the gamestate" or "are part of the gamestate""? Or did you misread that first paragraph as being a summary of my proposal's intentions, rather than proposed rule- changes? > However, it looks like you are just replacing the phrase "is part of the > gamestate" with "is required to be stored." With your ammendment to the > Disease rule, you don't specify that the state of diseases must be stored. Hm, by a rule "requiring data to be stored", I mean a rule stating that some data or other needs to be kept track of; keeping track is implicit, at least to me, whenever a rule says something like "each Player has a number of grommets". Maybe "is required to be kept track of" or "is mentioned by" or something would be clearer, I don't know. Feel free to take this Proposal and "clarify its meaning", Doc. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "What seems to be the problem?" From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 07 08:56:26 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 16:56:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 66266 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 16:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 16:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 16:56:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.27] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2000 16:56:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:56:16 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - Prescriptions / Perks / Impatience Message-ID: <90offg+852k@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1406 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Prescriptions Rename Rule 8 (Currency) to "Pills", and reword it to:- Medication is an important part of DocNomic, and is given in the form of varyingly-coloured Pills. The quantity and colour of Pills possessed by each Player is part of the gamestate. (Delete that last sentence if "Taking it as Read" passed. Delete this bracketed text either way.) When a Player joins the game, they have no Pills. Rename Rule 9 (Salary) to "Prescriptions", and reword it to:- At midnight Monday GMT of every week, all Players will receive a prescription of a certain number of Pills, of specified colours. The exact number and colours of Pills received must be defined by the rules. Unless specified elsewhere, all Players have a prescription of one Red Pill, two Blue Pills and three Green Pills. This rule defers to all other rules that specify a prescription amount. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Perks Add a new Rule, "Perks":- Whenever a Proposal passes, Doc may give its Proposer up to three Pills of any colours he feels appropriate. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Impatience Replace the term "Player" with "Patient" throughout the Ruleset. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 08 07:18:09 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 15:18:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 69923 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 15:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 15:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 15:18:08 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00800EF6@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:18:08 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA19185; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:18:07 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Fresh Diseases / Taking it as Read References: <90np4t+nqud@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Dec 2000 10:18:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Kevan "'s message of "Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:35:09 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu P3 "Fresh Diseases" was accepted. P4 "Taking it as Read" was rejected. See Gamestate for details. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 08 07:35:54 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 15:35:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 27863 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 15:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 15:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 16:36:59 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008012E4@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:34:13 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA22959; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:34:12 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Diagnosis Date: 08 Dec 2000 10:34:12 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jim Ingram has A Bit of a Cough (as of the implementation of Rule 10). -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 08 08:23:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 67015 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.25] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:23:16 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposals - Taking it as Read Message-ID: <90r1tk+urg6@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1049 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > P4 "Taking it as Read" was rejected. > >REJECTED. Sorry, Doc's a bit anal about some things. I regard >the Gamestate as important enough that it should be specified >carefully and explicitly. I've gone through the Ruleset and >persuaded myself I'd find the Gamestate too ambiguously defined >if this Proposal were enacted. Come now, surely there's some way we can generically refer to the bits of data which the ruleset calls "Gamestate"? How else is it possible for our brains to decide whether something should be Gamestate or not, when we Propose? What would be wrong with "Any piece of data required to be tracked by the Ruleset, and which does not change by itself, is considered part of the Gamestate."? ("By itself" covering the time of day, which we need to keep track of for Rule 9. I wouldn't want to grind the universe to a halt through careless Proposal. Although maybe there's a better phrase than "keep track of" to say what I mean...) Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Specialist subject, the bleeding obvious." From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Fri Dec 08 08:44:14 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 16:44:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 49446 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 16:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 16:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 16:44:13 -0000 Received: from Wintermute.surf2000.de (line69.surf2000.de [193.41.36.69]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eB8GiBw26085 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:44:11 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=Wintermute) by Wintermute.surf2000.de with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 144Qe1-0000I4-00 for ; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 17:45:13 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - "How are we feeling today?", and "Are you taking your medicine?" X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 08 Dec 2000 17:45:06 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch Proposal: "How are we feeling today" Doc must insert a typical "doctor's phrase" into every communication of the gamestate. A "doctor's phrase" is defined as a trite sentence doctors tend to utter when you visit them, like "How are we feeling today?", "It will be better in a couple of days" etc. Proposal: "Are you taking your medicine?" All Players (or Patients) that have contracted an illness as defined by the rules need to take one of their pills every week. The color of the pills to be taken shall be defined when the illness is contracted, and shall be red for "A bit of a cough". (btw, I just joined, and I'm still feeling fine ;) Britta -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From mr_jim83@hotmail.com Fri Dec 08 10:55:00 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: mr_jim83@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 86466 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk.egroups.com) (10.1.1.30) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mr_jim83@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.4.66] by mk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:54:54 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order - Medication Message-ID: <90rapu+4vlf@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 382 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 207.63.40.4 From: "Jim Ingram" Is it still allowed to use pills as currency or not? I see that we're moving towards a hospital- type theme, so if pills cannot be traded, what, if any thing, could be used as currency? Also, if we have a currency, what can be purchased with it? I'm just trying to come up with some ideas that follow a hospital theme. Note that this isn't a proposal, so I'm not coughing. -Jim From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 08 11:37:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 19:37:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 57945 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 19:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 19:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 19:37:04 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00803650@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:37:04 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA14922; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:37:04 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order - Medication References: <90rapu+4vlf@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Dec 2000 14:37:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jim Ingram"'s message of "Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:54:54 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jim Ingram" writes: > Is it still allowed to use pills as currency > or not? I see that we're moving towards a hospital- > type theme, so if pills cannot be traded, what, if > any thing, could be used as currency? Also, if we > have a currency, what can be purchased with it? Well, it isn't and never was allowed to use pills as currency, in the sense that the rules don't provide a mechanism for pills to be spent on anything. On the other hand, there's nothing in the rules to prohibit proposing rules that do provide a way to spend pills. Propose away! -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 08 11:39:51 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 19:39:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 28641 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 19:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 19:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 19:39:50 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00803675@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:39:50 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA15539; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:39:49 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order - Medication References: <90rapu+4vlf@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Dec 2000 14:39:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jim Ingram"'s message of "Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:54:54 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu By the way, though this was submitted as a "point of order", I'd like to handle it as informal discussion instead, reserving "points of order" for more substantive things like e.g. questions regarding the legality of a prior action, etc. If you *really* want this handled formally as a POO, say so and we will... -- - Doc From mr_jim83@hotmail.com Sat Dec 09 08:12:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: mr_jim83@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Dec 2000 16:12:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 40775 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2000 16:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2000 16:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Dec 2000 17:14:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mr_jim83@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.2.33] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2000 16:12:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:12:52 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Point of Order - Medication Message-ID: <90tlm4+rf7m@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 498 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 204.212.220.153 From: "Jim Ingram" --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > By the way, though this was submitted as a "point of order", I'd like > to handle it as informal discussion instead, reserving "points of > order" for more substantive things like e.g. questions regarding the > legality of a prior action, etc. > > If you *really* want this handled formally as a POO, say so and we > will... > > -- > - Doc No, thats alright. I just misunderstood the rule regarding Points of Order. I've got it now. -Jim From mr_jim83@hotmail.com Sat Dec 09 08:15:47 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: mr_jim83@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Dec 2000 16:15:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 48130 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2000 16:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2000 16:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Dec 2000 17:16:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mr_jim83@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.2.33] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2000 16:15:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:15:39 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Point of Order - Medication Message-ID: <90tlrb+au79@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 851 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 204.212.220.153 From: "Jim Ingram" --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > "Jim Ingram" writes: > > > Is it still allowed to use pills as currency > > or not? I see that we're moving towards a hospital- > > type theme, so if pills cannot be traded, what, if > > any thing, could be used as currency? Also, if we > > have a currency, what can be purchased with it? > > Well, it isn't and never was allowed to use pills as currency, in the > sense that the rules don't provide a mechanism for pills to be spent > on anything. On the other hand, there's nothing in the rules to > prohibit proposing rules that do provide a way to spend pills. > Propose away! > > -- > - Doc What I meant was, would it work within the theme that we seem to be developing to use pills as currency, not whether or not it is legal. Sorry about the misunderstanding. -Jim From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Dec 11 07:58:07 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Dec 2000 15:58:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 58722 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 15:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2000 15:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Dec 2000 15:58:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.104] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2000 15:58:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:58:00 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal - The Doctor Will See You Now Message-ID: <912ti8+ajvm@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 890 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - The Doctor Will See You Now { The way things are going, it'd seem useful to have a defined - if movable - weekly point, at which Doc does weekly things. } Enact a new Rule, "Surgery":- Doc's Surgery typically takes place at a time of his choosing every Thursday, although he may delay any Surgery by up to six days, or even cancel it if he finds himself too busy. A Surgery lasts for as long as it takes for Doc to process every action required in that Surgery. In Rule 9, replace "At midnight Monday GMT of every week" with "During each Surgery". In Rule 10 (Diseases), replace "At a moment of his choosing every Thursday" with "During each Surgery". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Denzil, you have broken my hat." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 11 08:34:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Dec 2000 16:34:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 75574 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 16:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2000 16:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Dec 2000 16:34:11 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0080F10D@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:34:11 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA28969; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:34:10 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Pending proposals P5-P10 Date: 11 Dec 2000 11:34:09 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu P5 "Body and Soul": ACCEPTED. P6 "Prescriptions": ACCEPTED. P7 "Perks": ACCEPTED. P8 "Impatience": REJECTED. Cute idea, but it makes the developing theme a little more pervasive than I'd like it to be. P9 "How are we feeling today": REJECTED. Perhaps I just don't spend enough time around (medical) doctors, but it seems to me I'd run out of "doctor's phrases" after about maybe five. Things would start getting drearily repetitive after that. P10 "Are you taking your medicine?": REJECTED. It's a good proposal but needs some clarification. How does a Player take a pill? Do they have to post a message saying "I'm taking a pill"? Or does Doc automatically decrement their pill count? (Isn't that a nurse's job?) Does it have to be any particular day or time? If it's up to the player, what happens if they don't take a pill? I look forward to a revised proposal with these questions addressed... -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 11 09:50:42 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Dec 2000 17:50:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 29608 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 17:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 Dec 2000 17:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Dec 2000 18:51:46 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0080FA3B@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:50:40 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA16364; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:50:40 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal - The Doctor Will See You Now References: <912ti8+ajvm@eGroups.com> Date: 11 Dec 2000 12:50:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:58:00 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Enact a new Rule, "Surgery":- Question: What, in the vernacular of your country (England?) is the relevant definition of the word "surgery"? I'm aware that it differs from US usage, and I think I have a reasonably correct understanding, but I'd like to check against yours. In the US, I believe it's fair to say "surgery" refers only to a medical procedure involving cutting / removing / reattaching / etc. What's the usage elsewhere, if there is anyone out there from elsewhere? -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Dec 11 12:03:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Dec 2000 20:03:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 12808 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 20:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2000 20:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Dec 2000 20:03:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.95] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2000 20:03:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:03:27 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal - The Doctor Will See You Now Message-ID: <913buf+pe0c@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1088 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.188.153.186 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > Enact a new Rule, "Surgery":- > > Question: What, in the vernacular of your country (England?) is the > relevant definition of the word "surgery"? I'm aware that it differs > from US usage, and I think I have a reasonably correct understanding, > but I'd like to check against yours. > > In the US, I believe it's fair to say "surgery" refers only to a > medical procedure involving cutting / removing / reattaching / > etc. > > What's the usage elsewhere, if there is anyone out there from > elsewhere? Mm, it can also refer to the doctor's office itself (or the building containing such offices, if it's a small hospital concerned with little more than diagnoses and minor treatment), or the time of a given day in which the doctor is available to consult with, or treat, patients. No idea how specific such meanings are to Britain, though. Feel free to replace it with something more universally acceptable before implementing the Proposal, though, if such was your only reservation. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm having an out-of-anorak experience." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Mon Dec 11 21:46:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 05:46:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 11684 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 05:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 05:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 05:46:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: oairhart@ispchannel.com Received: from [10.1.10.102] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2000 05:46:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 05:46:37 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal - Checkup Message-ID: <914e3t+ma0k@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1366 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.142.222.139 From: oairhart@ispchannel.com TWO PROPOSALS DOC. ------- New Rule: Checkup A player will be required to have a checkup if they are ever infected with a new disease. >From the time of infection until the Doc actually performs the checkup, all correspondence received from the Player will be ignored. A player will have a checkup by sending a request to the Doc for a checkup. The request is never ignored and shall always be processed in the order received with other correspondence from Players. During the checkup, the following events occur: a) Doc confirms the new disease. Every tenth checkup will cause the Player to instantly be cured of the new disease with no other checkup events occurring. b) Doc assigns a remedy for the disease if available. c) Doc prescribes additional pills, if necessary, for the number and duration according to the disease's remedy to be given to the Player. Prescription changes are automatic unless otherwise noted in the remedy. d) Doc takes as payment a given number of Body Points and Soul Points from the Player as defined in the remedy. ============== AMEND RULE 10 Modify "Bit of a Cough (Airborne)", Add: Remedy: Prescription - Take (Subtract) 1 blue pill, once a week for 2 weeks. The player is cured upon taking the second pill. Subtract 1 pill, from the most numerous color, for each proposal by the Player while infected. From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Tue Dec 12 00:47:47 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 08:47:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 50368 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 08:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 08:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 09:48:51 -0000 Received: from Wintermute.surf2000.de (line251.surf2000.de [193.41.36.251]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBC8lgw01224 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:47:42 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=Wintermute) by Wintermute.surf2000.de with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 145l6F-00007s-00 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:47:51 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Revised Proposal "Have you been taking your medicine?" X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 12 Dec 2000 09:47:44 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch Yes, I know oairheart has just proposed something which incorporates the old proposal. Just in case it won't pass (and I have a feeling it won't being quite vague on the prescription front), here's another try on mine. Sentences in [[ ]] are comments and not supposed to be in the official rule. Keep in mind that English is not my native language and that I'm not very good at legal stuff - so feel free to change the wording! Proposal "Have you been taking your medicine?" Take a Pill: If a player takes a Pill of a certain color, eir number of pills of that color is reduced by one. A player can only take a Pill of a certain color if e has one of that color. Cure: A Cure for a Disease shall be defined when the Disease is introduced and shall be part of the gamestate. It defines what number of pills of a certain color a player has to take per week to get rid of the disease and how many consecutive weeks that player needs to take that medicine. Prescription: If a player has a Disease, they will be prescribed a Cure for it. If a player doesn't take the Pills as required by their prescription, their Disease may become Chronic. Nurse: The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions. If a player wants to take a pill, e notifies that nurse of it via email. The Nurse shall then adjust the number of pills that player owns according to the notification. The name of the player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the gamestate [[badly phrased, I fear]] Chronic Disease: A Disease turns chronic if a player hasn't been taking their medicine for 3 consecutive weeks. If a player has a Chronic Disease, e must take the double amount of Pills for twice the number of weeks to get rid of the Disease. If a player doesn't take the Prescription for a Chronic Disease, e will lose 1 Body Point. A player with a Chronic Disease may also not make any proposals. The state of a Disease, namely Chronic or Non-Chronic, shall be part of the gamestate. Death: If a player's number of Body Points or Soul Points drops to 0, e is dead and may no longer take part in this nomic. [[This is nearly it! I thought that after all the definitions, I could write a proper proposal, but apparently all the defining has done the job...]] The Cure for "A Bit of A Cough" shall be one green Pill taken over the course of 2 weeks. Because of the small number of playres, Doc will be the Nurse until he decides that another player shall be holder of that office. [[So, what do you think? Any loop holes left? And what about Soul Points? Who invents phobias to lose those ;)]] Britta -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From jisummers@dttus.com Tue Dec 12 09:58:11 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jisummers@dttus.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 17:58:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 23381 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 17:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 17:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cj.egroups.com) (10.1.2.82) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 17:58:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jisummers@dttus.com Received: from [10.1.10.95] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2000 17:58:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:58:02 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: [DocNomic] New Player PROPOSAL: Disease Is Message-ID: <915ova+2d0n@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1289 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd Nomic" I. Any player may submit a Proposal defining a new disease or refining an existing disease. Any such proposal must have the following elements. A. Name: B. Type: C. Communication/Creation: D. Treatment: E. Effects: II. All diseases approved by the Doc will be listed in the game state as a seperate entity "Known Diseases". All disease definitions in the "Known Diseases" definitions of the gamestate will override disease definitions in the ruleset unless specifically overridden in the rule. III. Rule 10 "Bit of a Cough" will be modified as follows: "Known Disease" A. Name: Bit of a Cough B. Type: Airborne C. Communication: As per Type. [[Defined in Rule 10 as: "At a moment of his choosing every Thursday, Doc shall pick two random Players. Any Airborne Disease borne by the first shall be contracted by the second." ]]. Additionally, at the same time as determinging Players above, doc will determine a Player Randomly. This player will have a 10% chance of contracting "Bit of a Cough" if he does not already have it. D. Unknown E. A Player with this Disease should include the string "*cough*" at least twice in each Proposal message he or she submits, or that Proposal shall be ignored. [[ I am excited to join the Nomic!! ]] From jisummers@dttus.com Tue Dec 12 10:21:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jisummers@dttus.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 18:21:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 55721 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 18:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 18:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c9.egroups.com) (10.1.2.66) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 18:21:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jisummers@dttus.com Received: from [10.1.10.104] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2000 18:21:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:21:48 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: New Player PROPOSAL: Disease Is Message-ID: <915qbs+f88k@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <915ova+2d0n@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1152 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd Nomic" --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Feyd Nomic" wrote: > I. Any player may submit a Proposal defining a new disease or > > II. All diseases approved by the Doc will be listed in the game > state as a seperate entity "Known Diseases". All disease definitions > in the "Known Diseases" definitions of the gamestate will override > disease definitions in the ruleset unless specifically overridden in > the rule. Article two doesn't define how the "Known Diseases" objects are to be kept, only that they are to be kept separately from the ruleset. I set up a play "table" to see how easy that is. I think this would be a great way to list information in general (diseases in this case, different pills and their abilities, players and their afflictions) and may make it easier for Doc to maintain data. Furthermore, since different tables can be owned by different people and updated only by those people + Moderator, it will be easier to create positions with specific tasks and have methods for those positions to display information to the game in general in an easy to read format. Again, glad to be here! Feyd From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Dec 13 06:35:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 14:35:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 50033 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 14:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 14:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 15:36:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.119] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2000 14:35:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:35:26 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - Waiting List / Cash Message-ID: <9181fe+odv6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2707 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - The Waiting List { An attempt to organise the taking of pills, and other, future game events; current Proposals on this issue are a bit too "Do something that takes effect immediately! Oh, and, er, wait for Doc to update the Gamestate, I suppose." Too much scope for ambiguity and confusion. A Waiting List seems a good hospital thing, too. And should be a fairly straightforward bit of cgi-scripting. } A new Rule, "The Waiting List":- Certain actions in DocNomic are known as "Events". The Waiting List is a list of Events requested but unperformed, listed from the oldest to the newest. It is part of the Gamestate. Any Player may add a new Event to the Waiting List at any time. If a Player is to do something "as an Event", it means that he or she should add details of such an Event to the Waiting List. If any Events are on the Waiting List, Doc may process the oldest - announcing its resolution to the mailing list if he feels it appropriate - and delete it from the List. Events which are illegal under the current Ruleset are ignored instead of processed. A new Rule, "Events":- A Player may take any number of Pills, as an Event. Upon that Event being processed, the Pills are removed from that Player's possession and take effect as defined by the Ruleset, unless the Player lacks (even some of) the specified Pills, in which case nothing happens. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - All You Need Is Cash { A recent Proposal from "oairhart" had a rather curious "Doc takes as payment a given number of Body Points and Soul Points from the Player" clause, which suggests it might be worth having a way to pay for things, particularly medical consultancy and treatment. I tentatively propose Cash. Not really sure if it's a useful addition or a fiddly extra variable. We'll see. } Rename Rule 11 to "Body, Soul and Cash" and reword it to:- Each Player has a number of Body Points, Soul Points and Cash Points, adjusted by various events in the game. These Points are part of the Gamestate. Whenever a new Player joins the game, he or she has a hundred Body Points, a thousand Cash Points, and Soul Points equal to the average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). At midnight GMT every Monday, every Player gains a hundred Cash. Doc may replace "At midnight GMT every Monday" with any time reference he feels appropriate, there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm leaving my body to science fiction." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 13 09:25:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 17:25:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 56276 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 17:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 17:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 18:26:09 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0081C22A@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:25:03 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA14953; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:25:02 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Pending proposals P11-P15, and Proclamation X2 Date: 13 Dec 2000 12:25:02 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 54 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu P11 "The Doctor Will See You Now": ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. P12: REJECTED. (But welcome to the game, Ottis!) Frankly, mainly because this creates too much work for Doc. Additionally, it contributes to confusion over the role of pills -- they're doled out automatically once a week, regardless of disease, yet they're also prescribed according to disease here, and they're also handed out arbitrarily for accepted proposals. The whole pills/prescription thing needs some careful thought, and it could go any of several ways -- depending on how you see Doc. Is he a conscientious, careful, and ethical doctor... or is he handing out pills like candy in return for favors rendered? And one minor quibble: does "Every tenth checkup" mean literally nine checkups in a row don't show an instant cure and the next one does, or that Doc throws a 10-sided die and you're cured if it comes up 10? P13: REJECTED. This was submitted as a second proposal, but really is (I think) part and parcel of the first. Anyway, it doesn't make much sense without the first. P14 "Have you been taking your medicine?": ACCEPTED -- but see Proclamations. 1 green pill. P15: REJECTED. (And welcome, Feyd!) There are elements of this proposal I like. Systematizing the diseases in this way is a good thing. But I dislike the idea of extending the concept of "Proposal" to cover direct changes to the gamestate, especially since it seems unnecessary; I don't see any benefit, under the proposed setup, to taking the disease definitions out of the ruleset and putting them in the gamestate. Not only do I not see any benefit, but it conflicts with Rule 10, which states A number of Diseases exist, as detailed in this Rule. Since Rule 10 would have the lower rule number, it would take precedence, and diseases defined under this rule would have no legal standing. X2: Doc proclaims: Rule 14 is hereby amended as follows: Delete the text "Because of the small number of players, Doc will be the Nurse until he decides that another player shall be holder of that office." (now that it has taken effect, this provision is no longer needed.) In the definition of Death, replace "this nomic" with "this Round of this Nomic". -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 13 09:29:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 17:29:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 79780 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 17:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 17:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 17:29:34 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0081C262@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:29:33 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA15628; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:29:33 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse! Date: 13 Dec 2000 12:29:32 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Selecting a player at random, I nominate Ottis Airhart to act as Nurse under Rule 14. If Ottis accepts, the transfer of office will take place immediately. (Small defect in Rule 14: as enacted, it allows Doc to appoint another person to be Nurse once, but fails to say anything about transferring that office ever again. Well, we'll burn that bridge when we get to it.) -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 13 09:34:03 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 17:34:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 94983 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 18:35:06 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001213173700.GDXO382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:37:00 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001213113302.01836460@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:34:51 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart THANKS!!!! I appreciate it! Well, now let's see what I can do about this... (I Accept, by the way). At 12:29 PM 12/13/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Selecting a player at random, I nominate Ottis Airhart to act as Nurse >under Rule 14. If Ottis accepts, the transfer of office will take >place immediately. > >(Small defect in Rule 14: as enacted, it allows Doc to appoint another >person to be Nurse once, but fails to say anything about transferring >that office ever again. Well, we'll burn that bridge when we get to >it.) > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 13 10:29:37 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 18:29:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 20199 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 18:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 18:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 18:29:36 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0081C635@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:29:36 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA00705; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:29:35 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse! References: <4.1.20001213113302.01836460@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 13 Dec 2000 13:29:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:34:51 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu OK -- gamestate updated accordingly. (Thanks! Doc's real busy right now...) -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Dec 13 11:32:28 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 19:32:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 68410 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 19:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 19:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta2 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 19:32:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.4.73] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2000 19:32:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:32:13 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: PROPOSAL: Ammend Rule 10 (adding diseases) Message-ID: <918irt+10djs@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1227 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " Ammend Rule 10 to add the following text concerning Diseases: ------------begin text --------------------------------- Any use of "[[ text ]]" should be construed as a non-rule comment. Addiction (Psychosis) Once a week, during Office Hours, the player with the most pills (regardless of color) is designated the "Addict" for the upcoming week. The Addict may not take any Action that reduces the number of pills in eir possession except to take a pill (or have the Nurse administer a pill to em). [[Thus, e could trade 1 red for 2 green, but not 2 greens for one red. E could also take any number of pills]]. Addicts are fragile things, and therefore lose 3 body and 5 soul points at the beginning of the week they are designated the Addict. In addition, the Addict must take 1 red pill in order to [[overcome eir fear and]] make a Proposal. In any non-proposal message they send to the public newsgroup the addict must in some way ask for a pill. Failure to do so will cause the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued as an action for the next Office Hours. ------------------end text--------------------- Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 13 19:58:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 03:58:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 4001 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 03:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 03:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 03:58:30 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0081F35B@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:58:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA14568; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:58:28 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Office Hours Date: 13 Dec 2000 22:58:28 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu It's not Thursday where I am, but it's Thursday in Greenwich, and I have a few moments now and may have fewer tomorrow, so I hereby do the Office Hours thing. Prescriptions: Everyone gets 1/2/3 pills (r/b/g). Diseases: Randomly selected players are Feyd Nomic and Britta Koch. Feyd has no diseases so Britta catches none. -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 14 05:41:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 13:41:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 17854 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 13:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 13:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 14:42:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.119] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2000 13:41:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:41:18 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - Migraine / Phobias Message-ID: <91ailu+10eo3@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1710 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Tense, Nervous, Headache Add a new Disease:- Migraine (Non-Contagious) During Office Hours:- * All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and 'x' Soul Points. * All other Players each have an 'x' per cent chance of contracting a Migraine. ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since the end of the previous Office Hours. Each Green Pill a Player takes has a 50% chance of curing them of this Disease. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Claustrophobia and Agoraphobia Add two new Diseases:- Claustrophobia (Psychosis) Whenever a Rule is repealed, all Players with Claustrophobia lose 5 Soul Points, all Players with Agorophobia gain 5 Soul Points, and there is a 50% chance of the Rule's original Proposer contracting Claustrophobia. If a Player with Claustrophobia contracts Agoraphobia, they are cured of Claustrophobia. Agoraphobia (Psychosis) Whenever a new Rule is enacted, all Players with Agoraphobia lose 5 Soul Points, all Players with Claustrophobia gain 5 Soul Points, and each Player (other than the Rule's Proposer) has an 'x' per cent chance of contracting Agoraphobia, where 'x' is the highest Rule number in the Ruleset. If a Player with Agoraphobia contracts Claustrophobia, they are cured of Agoraphobia. To the Rule "Body and Soul", add the paragraph:- Body Points and Soul Points have a defined range. If either is less than zero for any Player, it is set to zero. If either is above 120, it is set to 120. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From nau@treyarch.com Thu Dec 14 10:59:51 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: nau@treyarch.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 18:59:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 14384 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 18:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 18:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aeowyn.treyarch.com) (64.148.189.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 18:59:49 -0000 Received: from mark (mark.treyarch.com [64.148.189.106]) by aeowyn.treyarch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20446 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800 Message-ID: <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> To: Subject: Proposal submission Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 From: "Mark Nau" To create a new rule entitled "Pill Exchange" A player wishing to make a pill exchange shall notify the Nurse of the exchange e wants to make, and the Nurse shall adjust the number of pills that player owns, provided the exchange is explicitly authorized by the Ruleset. A player may exchange two green pills for one red pill. A player may exchange one red pill and one blue pill for one yellow pill. -Mark Nau From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 14 11:35:53 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 19:35:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 74276 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 19:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 19:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 19:35:52 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001214193851.PKFM382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:38:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001214131056.0169b848@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:36:30 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal submission In-Reply-To: <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart [The following proposal removes the section called "Nurse" in Rule 14 and makes it its own rule for additions and modifications.] === I hereby propose the following: Proposal 1: Amend Rule 14 removing the Section labeled "Nurse". Proposal 2: Create a new Rule [15?] labeled "Nurse" which states the following: The name of the player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the gamestate. The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions. As compensation for such duties, the Nurse shall receive 2 soul points, 5 body points, and 3 additional green pills during each Office Hours to keep em healthy. If a player wants to take a pill, e notifies that nurse of it via email. The Nurse shall then administer (adjust) the number of pills that player owns according to the notification. When the Nurse administers pills, e must also take one green pill as preventive medicine, lose 1 body point for being exposed to infection, and gain 1 soul point for being such a good player. If the Nurse fails to take the preventive medicine before the next Office Hours, e shall lose 5 body points and 3 soul points for being so foolish. The Nurse shall be deemed "susceptible to infection" when eir body points is below 75. At this point, the Nurse will be infected with any disease or disorder that e administers pills for. If eir body points is below 35, Doc must choose a new Nurse to take over. The Nurse may convert eir soul points to body points at a ration of 2:1 at any time to stay "healthy". The Nurse's actions shall be announced to the other Players and Doc via email by making a Proclamation of Administration listing all actions requested by other players and the Nurse. Doc will then adjust the gamestate to reflect the Administration adjustments. Failure to make at least one Proclomation of Administration between Office Hours events shall reduce the Nurse's body and soul points by 25 points each. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 14 11:52:15 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 19:52:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 65243 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 19:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 19:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 19:52:14 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00822CF9@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:52:14 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA02299; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:52:13 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission References: <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> Date: 14 Dec 2000 14:52:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Mark Nau"'s message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Welcome, Mark! Speaking of the Nurse, he has no way to change the pill totals as long as they're shown on my web site... so I've moved the player information into an eGroups "Database" (table) at . Ottis should be able to modify this (don't abuse your new Moderator status, Ottis...) -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 14 12:11:37 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 20:11:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 28652 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 20:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 20:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 20:11:34 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001214201434.PQJQ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:14:34 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001214141207.017b3938@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:12:23 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission In-Reply-To: References: <"Mark Nau"'s message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800"> <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart No problem. You may want to modify my last proposal to reflect that change. At 02:52 PM 12/14/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Welcome, Mark! > >Speaking of the Nurse, he has no way to change the pill totals as long >as they're shown on my web site... so I've moved the player >information into an eGroups "Database" (table) at >. >Ottis should be able to modify this (don't abuse your new Moderator >status, Ottis...) > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Fri Dec 15 00:29:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 08:29:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 68143 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 08:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 08:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 08:29:16 -0000 Received: from Wintermute.surf2000.de (line111.surf2000.de [193.41.36.111]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBF8TFL11346 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:29:15 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=Wintermute) by Wintermute.surf2000.de with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 146q9h-00005g-00 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:23:53 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Holidays X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 15 Dec 2000 09:23:49 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch Hi! Just so you don't wonder why you aren't hearing from me: I'm going on holiday today and will be back on the 26th. Doc, please don't let me be sick, because I'd hate to be sick over Christmas without being able to do anything about it! ;) Have a nice Christmas, Britta -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 15 06:28:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 14:28:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 92656 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 14:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 14:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 14:28:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.117] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 14:28:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:28:14 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal submission (Nurse) Message-ID: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001214131056.0169b848@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2417 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > The name of the player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the > gamestate. The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions. Hm, might it be a good idea for the Nurse to keep tabs on Diseases and Soul Points and the rest, actually? It seems a little clumsy to have the Nurse decrementing Pill counts and waiting for Doc to remove any cured Diseases or make any Point adjustments. > As compensation > for such duties, the Nurse shall receive 2 soul points, 5 body points, and > 3 additional green pills during each Office Hours to keep em healthy. Hmm, "Cash" is seeming more of a useful thing... > When the Nurse administers pills, e must also take one green pill as > preventive medicine, lose 1 body point for being exposed to infection, and > gain 1 soul point for being such a good player. If the Nurse fails to take > the preventive medicine before the next Office Hours, e shall lose 5 body > points and 3 soul points for being so foolish. Soul gain aside, this all seems a bit harsh; surely it's in the interests of the game for people to *want* to be the Nurse? I'd rather see it being a role with hefty reward that people were fighting for, than something so dangerous that Doc ends up doing it instead. Although now that we've got the eGroups database thing (which is rather suaver than I expected it to be, to be honest), is it maybe worth getting rid of the Nurse role and having Players update their own details? Whenever you take a Pill, update your Pill count and/or Diseases yourself, and post a message to the list saying what you've done (maybe quoting before-and-after versions of the database table, so that we can backtrack any dodginess). The ability to have things take effect immediately, and to remove the need for a given Player to be awake and enthusiastic, seems rather appealing... Alternatively, Doc or I could pen a script similar to the eGroups thing that automatically logged who changed what and when (which might be a better idea anyway; if the eGroups database can only be set to be edited by admin or "all members", we don't really want passers-by buggering about with it). I'd be up for coughing some perl out this weekend, if people (or, at least, Doc, this being Imperial) were in favour. Speak now. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Do you smoke?" "No." "How many a day?" "Forty." "Right, so you don't smoke forty a day." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 07:32:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 15:32:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 49025 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 15:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 15:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 16:33:59 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00827AF0@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:32:53 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA11410; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:32:53 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal submission (Nurse) References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 10:32:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:28:14 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 46 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Hm, might it be a good idea for the Nurse to keep tabs on Diseases > and Soul Points and the rest, actually? It seems a little clumsy to > have the Nurse decrementing Pill counts and waiting for Doc to remove > any cured Diseases or make any Point adjustments. Yep. > Hmm, "Cash" is seeming more of a useful thing... Maybe... > Soul gain aside, this all seems a bit harsh; surely it's in the > interests of the game for people to *want* to be the Nurse? I'd > rather see it being a role with hefty reward that people were > fighting for, than something so dangerous that Doc ends up doing it > instead. Definitely. The whole point to the Nurse is to spread the load a bit -- if no one takes the job and I have to do it, it could get ugly... > Although now that we've got the eGroups database thing (which is > rather suaver than I expected it to be, to be honest), is it maybe > worth getting rid of the Nurse role and having Players update their > own details? Worth thinking about anyway. > Alternatively, Doc or I could pen a script similar to the eGroups > thing that automatically logged who changed what and when (which > might be a better idea anyway; if the eGroups database can only be > set to be edited by admin or "all members", we don't really want > passers-by buggering about with it). Well, we could either set up the group to require approval before people become members, or we could make all Players moderators. > I'd be up for coughing some perl out this weekend, if people (or, at > least, Doc, this being Imperial) were in favour. Speak now. Go ahead and rough something out -- if it looks promising we can smooth out details and use it. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 07:37:54 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 15:37:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 70277 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 15:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 15:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 16:38:57 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00827B8D@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:37:49 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA12207; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:37:38 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Directive D2 (was Re: [DocNomic] Holidays) References: Date: 15 Dec 2000 10:37:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: Britta Koch's message of "15 Dec 2000 09:23:49 CET" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Britta Koch writes: > Just so you don't wonder why you aren't hearing from me: I'm going on > holiday today and will be back on the 26th. Doc, please don't let me be > sick, because I'd hate to be sick over Christmas without being able to > do anything about it! ;) OK, happy holidays... Directive D2: We could stand to have a rule governing vacationing players. (And vacationing Docs, for that matter.) -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 08:39:46 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 16:39:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 96462 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 16:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 16:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 16:39:45 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215164244.WGLN382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:42:44 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215095812.06e137c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:40:38 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals In-Reply-To: References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Medical Brief (Point of Order) >From my experience with other Imperial style Nomic games, other players didn't have a say in whether a proposal was accepted or rejected. They just had to deal with the outcome. If they didn't like a proposal, then they would modify the rule after it was accepted. Should we make Kevan an "Intern" or something so that he can legally have an oppinion before a proposal is accepted? The idea behind gaining or losing Soul points was to establish a reward/punishment system for a player playing Nurse with the idea that to be Nurse, you get "perks", but you have to do the job. I wouldn't want a Nurse that never participates because then everyone would end up with a Chronic Disease. Why are you worried about the negative consequences of the Nurse anyways? I'm the Nurse right now, and I don't have a problem with it (I proposed the rule, remember). I would like to see the rule passed and then amended by other players if they didn't like the stipulations. This rule has no conflict with the ruleset or apparent theme of the game. I hereby recommend its approval and acceptance subject to normal amendment and modification. Ottis Airhart, Nurse ============ Proposal I propose that all references to "Point of Order" in the gamestate and ruleset be renamed "Medical Brief". I also propose that all references to "Proclomation" in the gamestate and ruleset be renamed "Medical Board Memorandum". ============= Proposal I propose a new rule labeled "Intern" stating the following: At any point in the game, Doc may appoint an Intern. An Intern's role will be to help in the decision making process [[a co-Doc]]. Doc may accept, reject, or ignore the oppinions of the Intern without comment. Doc may appoint the Intern to temporarily take on the certain responsibilities of the office of Doc by making a Proclomation [["Medical Board Memorandum"]] declaring the current responsibilities. This will also be noted under the Office Holders section in the Gamestate. The Intern, if unable to adjust the gamestate or ruleset, shall publish updated rules or gamestate information to the mailing list whereby it shall supercede any other publication until such time as Doc may make permanent adjustments. [[This allows for Doc's vacation, but game continuation]]. Doc may at any time NULL actions performed by the Intern. Any act by a player attempting to perform Intern duties (opinions, etc) shall be consider "Malpractice" and that player shall lose 5 Soul points. The Intern will receive 2 Soul points during each Office Hours for being such a good person. [[if Cash is ever accepted, then we can then amend this rule to have further compensation]] =========== Proposal: Proposals and Appeals Mechanism I propose the following amendments: Rule three be modified to include the following text: Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. The body of the message must begin with the following text: "Proposal:" followed by the label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. Rule five be modified to include the following text: Each Point of Order [[Medical Brief]] must have in its Subject line the text: "Point of Order:" [[or "Medical Brief:"]] followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference or it shall be ignored. The body of the message must begin with the following text: "Point of Order:" [[or "Medical Brief:"]] followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference or it shall be ignored. Each Proclamation [[Medical Board Memorandum]] shall follow a similar format at the Doc's discretion. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 09:01:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:01:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 37821 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 17:01:20 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828418@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:01:20 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA27131; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:01:19 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001215095812.06e137c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 12:01:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:40:38 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 40 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Medical Brief (Point of Order) I may issue a Directive one of these days with regard to Points of Order. As I see it, a POO is the way the judicial system works -- if there's a disagreement or a perceived illegality or something, that's the way it's handled. For just talking about the game, I think it's best to just talk. Otherwise I have to log it as a point of order, post it to the game state, issue a formal response, etc. Faugh. So, with your permission, I'll ignore the "POO" designation above and just talk. OK, I guess there *was* a question about the legality of posting comments. If you insist, I'll treat that portion of your message as a POO. If you insist. > >From my experience with other Imperial style Nomic games, other players > didn't have a say in whether a proposal was accepted or rejected. They just > had to deal with the outcome. If they didn't like a proposal, then they > would modify the rule after it was accepted. Formally, that's the case here. But my preference is not to run that way. (And I confess, I've never played Imperial before -- unless you count The Curvature Of the Earth Is Overwhelmed By Local Noise Nomic, which I guess is Imperial, but too silly to be taken as a precedent.) I am not only willing but eager to hear comments on proposals before I take action -- I don't always notice the flaws, or the brilliant touches for that matter. > Should we make Kevan an > "Intern" or something so that he can legally have an oppinion before a > proposal is accepted? Having an opinion is legal -- and encouraged. I didn't put the "Anything not forbidden is allowed (except for changing the rules and gamestate, where anything not allowed is forbidden)" clause in the ruleset, but I consider it to be in effect. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 09:04:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:04:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 74104 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:05:13 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215170630.WKDF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:06:30 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215104111.06e39a40@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:04:16 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Vacation In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Proposal: Vacation See the "Intern" proposal for vacation Doc allowances. I propose the following rule: Vacation: Any player may declare themselves on vacation for a given period of time and shall be noted in the gamestate. During this time, any diseases or other ailments that player currently holds shall go into "recession". While in "recession", the player shall not take any pills or other treatment leading to a cure. While on vacation, a player shall not receive any perks, prescriptions, or other increases or decreases to their pill count[[, cash (if accepted)]], etc. A vacationing player may be infected by new diseases or ailments, but they shall be in recession until such time as that player returns. This shall be noted in their gamestate. Any Proposals or Proclamations [[Medical Briefs]] received from the player while on vacation shall be ignored EXCEPT for a required Proclamation [[Medical Brief]] stating that they are no longer on vacation. Upon returning from vacation, that player's gamestate shall be modified and any diseases or ailments in recession shall become active diseases or ailments subject to treatment for a cure. [[This player gamestate info should be kept in the egroups database]] [[I thought it would be unfare to allow a player to go on vacation at a whim without being able to contract diseases, otherwise, I would go on vacation every Thursday during Office Hours so that I would never contract a disease. The catch here is that all diseases are in recession (not needing treatment) until that player returns. Any active player can have multiple diseases at this point, so if they contract several diseases during a long vacation (at this point it would have to be a VERY LONG vacation), then they are not in any different boat than other players. No vacationing player should be allowed to gain valuable assets (pills, etc) while not being able to gain damaging assets (diseases, etc) at the same time.]] From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 15 09:21:06 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:21:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 23983 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 17:21:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.4] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 17:21:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:20:58 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals Message-ID: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001215095812.06e137c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3553 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > From my experience with other Imperial style Nomic games, other players > didn't have a say in whether a proposal was accepted or rejected. They just > had to deal with the outcome. If they didn't like a proposal, then they > would modify the rule after it was accepted. Should we make Kevan an > "Intern" or something so that he can legally have an oppinion before a > proposal is accepted? Hm, what? I thought Doc had taken the "post Proposals to the list" approach so that people could just comment generally and maybe spot rule flaws that he might overlook. I admit, from experience, Imperial Nomics tend to operate with Proposals going straight to the Emperor and only becoming public knowledge after they've passed or failed, but this difference in approach seems fairly useful. Although it is becoming mildly confusing keeping track of what's passed and what's pending-but-likely-to-pass. That may just be me, though. > The idea behind gaining or losing Soul points was to establish a > reward/punishment system for a player playing Nurse with the idea that to > be Nurse, you get "perks", but you have to do the job. I wouldn't want a > Nurse that never participates because then everyone would end up with a > Chronic Disease. A good point; the "reward per activity" Soul thing is far better than a flat weekly reward. Some of the penalties just seemed too harsh, though, particularly the Disease-catching, the fines for forgetting to do things (or, indeed, simply not being able to take a Green pill for every Pill another Player takes; with seven or eight Active Players taking their medicine every week, the Nurse would soon run out of Greens, even if she gets three free ones). > Why are you worried about the negative consequences of the > Nurse anyways? I'm the Nurse right now, and I don't have a problem with it > (I proposed the rule, remember). Well, admirable of you to put such negativities in when you knew they'd be affecting you, but ultimately it's quite possible that the post of Nurse would eventually pass to someone else, and I think it's important to make the role appealing rather than ominous. Penalties for not doing the job at *all* might be a good idea, though, to stop anyone simply claiming the role for its rewards, or to stop other Players getting their Pills. But this is fairly academic stuff if we go with a Player-maintained cgi-script thing, of course. > I would like to see the rule passed and > then amended by other players if they didn't like the stipulations. This > rule has no conflict with the ruleset or apparent theme of the game. Naturally. I'm not decrying it as illegal, just offering my thoughts. Doc is, of course, entirely free to ignore my opinion and laugh at me. Forgive me if I came across as 'voting'. Nice work on the Intern Proposal, anyway; it'd be handy to have an official way for Doc to let someone else take over the reigns, or some of them, for a while. One thing, though:- > Any act by a player attempting to > perform Intern duties (opinions, etc) shall be consider "Malpractice" and > that player shall lose 5 Soul points. Hm? Penalties for non-Interns expressing opinions? Am I reading this correctly? > Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed > by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. [...] A sterling idea. It's becoming quite a pain to find particular Proposals amid the mailing list archive. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Leave me alone, I was only singing." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 09:36:29 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:36:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 73311 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008288FF@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:36:22 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA09003; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:36:21 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals References: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 12:36:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:20:58 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > A sterling idea. It's becoming quite a pain to find particular > Proposals amid the mailing list archive. Case in point: I didn't see the Intern proposal (or the others in the same message) until Ottis and Kevan referred to them later. They were below Ottis's signature, which was at the bottom of the window, and I assumed that was the end of the message. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 09:59:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:59:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 43689 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 17:59:33 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215180232.WTRC382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:02:32 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215114921.016e5838@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:00:26 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals In-Reply-To: References: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart in light of the recent discussions, I would not be opposed to removing the penalty section from the Intern proposal if its inclusion will keep it from passing. I am glad this all came out now, rather than later. I am glad to establish the decorum for the game now. I'm not opposed to oppinions on unpassed proposals. I was just assuming that Doc had the only say. BTW: I'm not perfectly clear on the update timeframe... Doc, will proposal updates only be performed during Office Hours, or how often are you planning updates? Should we clarify in the rules a general idea? Just curious because I don't want to bombard Doc with proposals when he isn't going to process them for a while. NOT GAME RELATED, reader beware: Also, an aside. I'm considering hosting a SPEED ROUND during the Holidays called Holiday Nomic that will be a guaranteed daily update with two when possible. The idea is to establish a theme game that ends on January 4th no matter what. The winning goal is undefined to start but it must be decisive (or absolutely undecisive) on the end date. I was thinking of either an imperial game or a minimalist game where the first 5 votes decides if a rule passes. This will allow the game to continue in between updates of the master ruleset... with all proposals that pass becoming part of the official ruleset regardless of its listing. If players are concerned about playing "on Christmas day" because of too many obligations, they can thusly make a rule. If I have at least 5 players interested, I'll start it in within a week. If I choose to use the voting method, I will be one player, otherwise, I will officiate. I think there are enough bored people out there during the holidays to have a smashing game, even if most of the players don't play certain days due to vacation. The speed will be determined by the players. Comments? Please do not send directly to this list. Email: oairhart@ispchannel.com directly. I'll make a mailing list if there are enough people to discuss and start but will in the mean time distribute discussion privately to all interested parties. At 12:36 PM 12/15/2000 -0500, you wrote: >kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > >> A sterling idea. It's becoming quite a pain to find particular >> Proposals amid the mailing list archive. > >Case in point: I didn't see the Intern proposal (or the others in the >same message) until Ottis and Kevan referred to them later. They were >below Ottis's signature, which was at the bottom of the window, and I >assumed that was the end of the message. > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:14:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:14:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 86777 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:15:24 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828CE6@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:14:18 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA17105; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:14:18 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proclamation X3: Gamestate revision Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:14:18 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 47 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu X3: Gamestate revision [Originally I had intended that the web site would be the main avenue of communication for DocNomic. So I decided pending proposals, declarations, proclamations, and pending points of order would appear on the gamestate page. [Instead, of course, we've settled into doing stuff on the mailing list. Past proposals, declarations, proclamations, and points of order can easily be found in the eGroups archive, especially if subject line formatting is enforced, as has been proposed. Therefore, formatting such transient stuff for the web page seems like a poor use of my time. [So I'm modifying the rules to reduce the amount of crapwork I have to do.] In Rule 3, the sentence The lists of Proclamations, Directives, and Pending Proposals are part of the Gamestate. is hereby repealed. In Rule 5, the sentence The list of Pending Points of Order is part of the Gamestate. is hereby repealed. [Also, I just noticed it's illegal for me to have taken the player information off the gamestate page. So...] In Rule 4, to the phrase and the current Gamestate at the phrase and/or in one or more eGroups databases at is hereby appended. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:19:59 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:19:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 47544 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:21:04 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828D5C@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:19:59 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA17802; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:19:58 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals References: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001215114921.016e5838@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:19:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:00:26 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > BTW: I'm not perfectly clear on the update timeframe... Doc, will proposal > updates only be performed during Office Hours, or how often are you > planning updates? When I find the time! > Should we clarify in the rules a general idea? Just > curious because I don't want to bombard Doc with proposals when he isn't > going to process them for a while. Don't hold back on my account; they'll keep till I get to them. If it's because you don't like a delay... well, sorry; things are REALLY busy for me these days -- I'll try not to let things slide a long time, but don't count on action within hours or even a couple days. > NOT GAME RELATED, reader beware: > Also, an aside. I'm considering hosting a SPEED ROUND during the Holidays > called Holiday Nomic Sounds like fun; I don't think I should try participating, but I might want to spectate... -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 10:24:29 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:24:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 61707 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:25:13 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215182702.WXKA382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:27:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215122359.01708dd8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:24:55 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals In-Reply-To: References: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001215114921.016e5838@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Oh, I wasn't complaining... just curious. If you are updating every few days or so, I just didn't want to overload you in the mean time. Not complaining. Thanks for hosting! At 01:19 PM 12/15/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Ottis Airhart writes: > >> BTW: I'm not perfectly clear on the update timeframe... Doc, will proposal >> updates only be performed during Office Hours, or how often are you >> planning updates? > >When I find the time! > >> Should we clarify in the rules a general idea? Just >> curious because I don't want to bombard Doc with proposals when he isn't >> going to process them for a while. > >Don't hold back on my account; they'll keep till I get to them. If >it's because you don't like a delay... well, sorry; things are REALLY >busy for me these days -- I'll try not to let things slide a long >time, but don't count on action within hours or even a couple days. > >> NOT GAME RELATED, reader beware: >> Also, an aside. I'm considering hosting a SPEED ROUND during the Holidays >> called Holiday Nomic > >Sounds like fun; I don't think I should try participating, but I might >want to spectate... > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:28:30 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:28:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 76811 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828DD9@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:28:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA19170; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:28:28 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proclamation X4: Publication revision Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:28:28 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu [And now we need to specify how I *really* tell you what's going on.] To Rule 4 prepend Doc must publish all Proposal and Point of Order judgements, and all Proclamations and Directives, to the DocNomic Mailing List. No Proposal or Point of Order judgement, Proclamation, or Directive, shall have any effect until it is so published. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:36:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:36:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 3104 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:38:01 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828E47@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:36:56 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA20880; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:36:55 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Waiting List / Cash References: <9181fe+odv6@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:36:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:35:26 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 76 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - The Waiting List > > { An attempt to organise the taking of pills, and other, future game > events; current Proposals on this issue are a bit too "Do something > that takes effect immediately! Oh, and, er, wait for Doc to update > the Gamestate, I suppose." Too much scope for ambiguity and > confusion. > > A Waiting List seems a good hospital thing, too. And should be a > fairly straightforward bit of cgi-scripting. } > > A new Rule, "The Waiting List":- > > Certain actions in DocNomic are known as "Events". The Waiting List > is a list of Events requested but unperformed, listed from the > oldest to the newest. It is part of the Gamestate. > > Any Player may add a new Event to the Waiting List at any time. If > a Player is to do something "as an Event", it means that he or she > should add details of such an Event to the Waiting List. > > If any Events are on the Waiting List, Doc may process the oldest - > announcing its resolution to the mailing list if he feels it > appropriate - and delete it from the List. Events which are illegal > under the current Ruleset are ignored instead of processed. > > A new Rule, "Events":- > > A Player may take any number of Pills, as an Event. Upon that Event > being processed, the Pills are removed from that Player's possession > and take effect as defined by the Ruleset, unless the Player lacks > (even some of) the specified Pills, in which case nothing happens. REJECTED. I think this proposal may be mooted by some of the other ideas currently stewing. This one has too much passive voice for my taste, e.g. "The Pills are removed" -- I'd like something that specifies who's doing the removing and keeping track! > Proposal - All You Need Is Cash > > { A recent Proposal from "oairhart" had a rather curious "Doc takes > as payment a given number of Body Points and Soul Points from the > Player" clause, which suggests it might be worth having a way to > pay for things, particularly medical consultancy and treatment. > > I tentatively propose Cash. Not really sure if it's a useful > addition or a fiddly extra variable. We'll see. } > > Rename Rule 11 to "Body, Soul and Cash" and reword it to:- > > Each Player has a number of Body Points, Soul Points and Cash > Points, adjusted by various events in the game. These Points are > part of the Gamestate. > > Whenever a new Player joins the game, he or she has a hundred Body > Points, a thousand Cash Points, and Soul Points equal to the > average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). > > At midnight GMT every Monday, every Player gains a hundred Cash. > > Doc may replace "At midnight GMT every Monday" with any time > reference he feels appropriate, there. ACCEPTED. My first reaction was, "Oh, no, not another Gamestate entity". But thinking about it, this does round out the theme nicely -- after all, body, soul, medication, and money are the things a hospital transacts most! Using pills as currency has a certain dark appeal, and is still possible; but having some white market currency is, I think, good. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:37:35 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:37:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 37669 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:37:35 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828E53@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:37:35 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA20938; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Waiting List / Cash References: <9181fe+odv6@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:37:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:35:26 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Doc may replace "At midnight GMT every Monday" with any time > reference he feels appropriate, there. It'll be during office hours. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:40:18 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:40:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 45557 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:41:22 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828EBC@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:39:57 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA21540; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:39:56 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Waiting List / Cash References: <9181fe+odv6@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:39:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:35:26 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu I'll also have the Nurse hand out 1000 cash to each Player, since I'm sure Kevan intended to put that in his rule but forgot. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:43:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:43:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 21997 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:43:12 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828F6B@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:42:59 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA22013; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:42:58 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] PROPOSAL: Ammend Rule 10 (adding diseases) References: <918irt+10djs@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:42:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:32:13 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Ammend Rule 10 to add the following text concerning Diseases: > ------------begin text --------------------------------- > Any use of "[[ text ]]" should be construed as a non-rule comment. > > Addiction (Psychosis) > Once a week, during Office Hours, the player with the most pills > (regardless of color) is designated the "Addict" for the upcoming > week. > > The Addict may not take any Action that reduces the number of pills > in eir possession except to take a pill (or have the Nurse administer > a pill to em). [[Thus, e could trade 1 red for 2 green, but not 2 > greens for one red. E could also take any number of pills]]. > > Addicts are fragile things, and therefore lose 3 body and 5 soul > points at the beginning of the week they are designated the Addict. > In addition, the Addict must take 1 red pill in order to [[overcome > eir fear and]] make a Proposal. > In any non-proposal message they send to the public newsgroup the > addict must in some way ask for a pill. Failure to do so will cause > the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed > out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued > as an action for the next Office Hours. > ------------------end text--------------------- > Feyd ACCEPTED. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:48:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:48:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 87435 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:48:11 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828FE7@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:48:12 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA22827; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:48:11 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Migraine / Phobias References: <91ailu+10eo3@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:48:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:41:18 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 53 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Proposal - Tense, Nervous, Headache > > Add a new Disease:- > > Migraine (Non-Contagious) > During Office Hours:- > > * All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and 'x' Soul Points. > * All other Players each have an 'x' per cent chance of > contracting a Migraine. > > ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since the > end of the previous Office Hours. Each Green Pill a Player takes > has a 50% chance of curing them of this Disease. ACCEPTED. 1 green pill (and 1 for Kevan's earlier accepted proposal (and 1 for Feyd's, too (you getting all this, Nurse?))) > Proposal - Claustrophobia and Agoraphobia > > Add two new Diseases:- > > Claustrophobia (Psychosis) > Whenever a Rule is repealed, all Players with Claustrophobia lose > 5 Soul Points, all Players with Agorophobia gain 5 Soul Points, > and there is a 50% chance of the Rule's original Proposer > contracting Claustrophobia. > > If a Player with Claustrophobia contracts Agoraphobia, they are > cured of Claustrophobia. > > Agoraphobia (Psychosis) > Whenever a new Rule is enacted, all Players with Agoraphobia lose > 5 Soul Points, all Players with Claustrophobia gain 5 Soul Points, > and each Player (other than the Rule's Proposer) has an 'x' per > cent chance of contracting Agoraphobia, where 'x' is the highest > Rule number in the Ruleset. > > If a Player with Agoraphobia contracts Claustrophobia, they are > cured of Agoraphobia. > > To the Rule "Body and Soul", add the paragraph:- > > Body Points and Soul Points have a defined range. If either is less > than zero for any Player, it is set to zero. If either is above 120, > it is set to 120. ACCEPTED. One more green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:48:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:48:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 69683 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:49:48 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828FEA@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:48:42 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA22945; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:48:41 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission References: <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:48:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Mark Nau"'s message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Mark Nau" writes: > To create a new rule entitled "Pill Exchange" > > A player wishing to make a pill exchange shall notify the Nurse of the > exchange e wants to make, and the Nurse shall adjust the number of pills > that player owns, provided the exchange is explicitly authorized by the > Ruleset. > > A player may exchange two green pills for one red pill. > A player may exchange one red pill and one blue pill for one yellow pill. ACCEPTED. One green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:50:08 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:50:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 98352 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:50:08 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828FF5@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:50:08 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA23349; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:50:07 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission References: <4.1.20001214131056.0169b848@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:50:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:36:30 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 48 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > [The following proposal removes the section called "Nurse" in Rule 14 and > makes it its own rule for additions and modifications.] > > === > > I hereby propose the following: > > Proposal 1: > Amend Rule 14 removing the Section labeled "Nurse". > > Proposal 2: > Create a new Rule [15?] labeled "Nurse" which states the following: > > The name of the player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the > gamestate. The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions. As compensation > for such duties, the Nurse shall receive 2 soul points, 5 body points, and > 3 additional green pills during each Office Hours to keep em healthy. > > If a player wants to take a pill, e notifies that nurse of it via email. > The Nurse shall then administer (adjust) the number of pills that player > owns according to the notification. > > When the Nurse administers pills, e must also take one green pill as > preventive medicine, lose 1 body point for being exposed to infection, and > gain 1 soul point for being such a good player. If the Nurse fails to take > the preventive medicine before the next Office Hours, e shall lose 5 body > points and 3 soul points for being so foolish. > > The Nurse shall be deemed "susceptible to infection" when eir body points > is below 75. At this point, the Nurse will be infected with any disease or > disorder that e administers pills for. If eir body points is below 35, Doc > must choose a new Nurse to take over. The Nurse may convert eir soul points > to body points at a ration of 2:1 at any time to stay "healthy". > > The Nurse's actions shall be announced to the other Players and Doc via > email by making a Proclamation of Administration listing all actions > requested by other players and the Nurse. Doc will then adjust the > gamestate to reflect the Administration adjustments. Failure to make at > least one Proclomation of Administration between Office Hours events shall > reduce the Nurse's body and soul points by 25 points each. ACCEPTED. I share Kevan's concern about the downside of Nursing and will welcome proposal addressing that. 1 yellow pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:50:59 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:50:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 58715 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:52:03 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0082902B@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:50:58 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA23602; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:50:57 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission References: <"Mark Nau"'s message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800"> <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> <4.1.20001214141207.017b3938@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:50:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:12:23 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > No problem. You may want to modify my last proposal to reflect that change. I'll do that. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:55:06 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:55:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 70966 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:56:11 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00829054@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:55:05 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA24212; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:55:04 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001215095812.06e137c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:55:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:40:38 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 66 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Proposal > > I propose that all references to "Point of Order" in the gamestate and > ruleset be renamed "Medical Brief". I also propose that all references to > "Proclomation" in the gamestate and ruleset be renamed "Medical Board > Memorandum". REJECTED. As with the "Players->Patients" proposal, I don't want to embed the theme that deeply. Hmm. I will expound on this more in a separate communication. > Proposal > > I propose a new rule labeled "Intern" stating the following: > > At any point in the game, Doc may appoint an Intern. An Intern's role will > be to help in the decision making process [[a co-Doc]]. Doc may accept, > reject, or ignore the oppinions of the Intern without comment. Doc may > appoint the Intern to temporarily take on the certain responsibilities of > the office of Doc by making a Proclomation [["Medical Board Memorandum"]] > declaring the current responsibilities. This will also be noted under the > Office Holders section in the Gamestate. The Intern, if unable to adjust > the gamestate or ruleset, shall publish updated rules or gamestate > information to the mailing list whereby it shall supercede any other > publication until such time as Doc may make permanent adjustments. [[This > allows for Doc's vacation, but game continuation]]. Doc may at any time > NULL actions performed by the Intern. Any act by a player attempting to > perform Intern duties (opinions, etc) shall be consider "Malpractice" and > that player shall lose 5 Soul points. The Intern will receive 2 Soul points > during each Office Hours for being such a good person. > > [[if Cash is ever accepted, then we can then amend this rule to have > further compensation]] REJECTED, on the grounds that it illegalizes the comment process by non-Interns. > Proposal: Proposals and Appeals Mechanism > > I propose the following amendments: > > Rule three be modified to include the following text: > > Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed > by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. The body of the message > must begin with the following text: "Proposal:" followed by the label for > the proposal or it shall be ignored. > > Rule five be modified to include the following text: > > Each Point of Order [[Medical Brief]] must have in its Subject line the > text: "Point of Order:" [[or "Medical Brief:"]] followed by a label of the > Proposal or Rule in reference or it shall be ignored. The body of the > message must begin with the following text: "Point of Order:" [[or "Medical > Brief:"]] followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference or it > shall be ignored. Each Proclamation [[Medical Board Memorandum]] shall > follow a similar format at the Doc's discretion. REJECTED solely because I see no reason to burden people with the requirement on the first line of the body. Formatting the subject line is a good idea, but should be sufficient. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 11:06:29 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 92885 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:06:28 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215190928.XEFZ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:09:28 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215130542.016e3ad8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:07:22 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal Ammendment: Proposals, etc. In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001215095812.06e137c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I ammend my previous proposal: Proposal: Proposals and Appeals Mechanism I propose the following amendments: Rule three be modified to include the following text: Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. Rule five be modified to include the following text: Each Point of Order must have in its Subject line the text: "Point of Order:" followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference or it shall be ignored. Each Proclamation shall follow a similar format at the Doc's discretion. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 11:07:54 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:07:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 9943 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 20:08:57 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008291B3@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:07:49 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA26325; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:07:48 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Vacation References: <4.1.20001215104111.06e39a40@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 14:07:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:04:16 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 66 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Proposal: Vacation > > See the "Intern" proposal for vacation Doc allowances. > > I propose the following rule: > > Vacation: Any player may declare themselves on vacation for a given period > of time and shall be noted in the gamestate. During this time, any diseases > or other ailments that player currently holds shall go into "recession". > While in "recession", the player shall not take any pills or other > treatment leading to a cure. > > While on vacation, a player shall not receive any perks, prescriptions, or > other increases or decreases to their pill count[[, cash (if accepted)]], > etc. A vacationing player may be infected by new diseases or ailments, but > they shall be in recession until such time as that player returns. This > shall be noted in their gamestate. > > Any Proposals or Proclamations [[Medical Briefs]] received from the player > while on vacation shall be ignored EXCEPT for a required Proclamation > [[Medical Brief]] stating that they are no longer on vacation. Upon > returning from vacation, that player's gamestate shall be modified and any > diseases or ailments in recession shall become active diseases or ailments > subject to treatment for a cure. REJECTED because: - Players can't issue Proclamations. That's a term reserved for Doc's exercise of his omnipotence over the ruleset and gamestate. Your first use of the term probably should have been "Point of Order" and as for your second, "message" would be sufficient. - You don't specify how a player declares emself to be on vacation. (They should do so via a message to the list, of course.) - The word "recession" should, I think, be "remission". The above could be trivially fixed without altering the meaning, but there are other problems: - Players can contract diseases while on vacation. They don't have to do anything about them until they get back -- but then they've got potentially several weeks' worth of diseases to deal with all at once. I understand the point about not wanting people to abuse vacation, but there are other ways to address that. E.g., dock the player 10 body points for going on vacation? - The big one: Much of this rule would have no effect! E.g. "While on vacation, a player shall not receive any perks, prescriptions, or other increases or decreases to their pill count..." This conflicts with existing rules that specify players do get prescriptions, perks, etc. And any conflict is resolved in favor of the rule with the lower number! For the rule to work, you'd have to either (1) amend existing rules to say "active player" instead of "player" where applicable (and define "active player" to mean "not on vacation") or (2) use a subterfuge I used on n_omic, defining the act of going on vacation as making one a non-player, but one with the privilege of resuming as a player with points (pills, cash, etc.) intact. The second approach requires care, since it then makes the vacationer subject to *none* of the rules that apply to players, and that might be going too far. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 11:17:25 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:17:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 72794 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 20:18:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00829267@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:17:24 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27736; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:17:22 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission References: <4.1.20001214131056.0169b848@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 14:17:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu's message of "15 Dec 2000 13:50:07 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Note that I changed "Proclamation of Administration" to "Nurse's Report" to avoid overloading the term "Proclamation". -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 11:18:26 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:18:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 81637 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:18:25 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00829277@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:18:26 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27975; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:18:25 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal Ammendment: Proposals, etc. References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001215130542.016e3ad8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 14:18:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:07:22 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I ammend my previous proposal: > > Proposal: Proposals and Appeals Mechanism > > I propose the following amendments: > > Rule three be modified to include the following text: > > Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed > by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. > > Rule five be modified to include the following text: > > Each Point of Order must have in its Subject line the text: "Point of > Order:" followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference or it > shall be ignored. Each Proclamation shall follow a similar format at the > Doc's discretion. ACCEPTED. One green pill. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Dec 15 11:39:14 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:39:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 803 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:39:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.117] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 19:39:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:39:08 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: PROPOSAL: "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine" Message-ID: <91ds0s+ao5n@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 845 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " PROPOSAL: "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine" A player with an "Airborne Disease" can try to intentially infect another player. The player with the airborne disease does so by posting a message to the group with the Subject line stating: "I *COUGH* on " or any subject line with the words *COUGH* and another player's name (refered to here as ). has a 50% chance of becoming infected. If the infecting player has more than one airborne disease then once disease is chosen at random to be transmitted (50% chance). Infecting another patient isn't a very kind thing to do, even if it's an accident, and the infecting play automatically loses 5 soul points for the attempt. If the attempt succeeds, the pharmacy can't help but be a touch happy, and gives the player causing the infection 1 green pill. From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Dec 15 11:41:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:41:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 48712 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:41:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.117] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 19:41:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:40:55 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Ammend Rule 10 (adding diseases) Message-ID: <91ds47+qjur@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 573 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > "Feyd " writes: > > > Ammend Rule 10 to add the following text concerning Diseases: > > ------------begin text --------------------------------- > > Any use of "[[ text ]]" should be construed as a non-rule comment. > > > > Addiction (Psychosis) > > Once a week, during Office Hours, the player with the most pills > > (regardless of color) is designated the "Addict" for the upcoming > > week. > ACCEPTED. > - Doc Was this accepted during Office Hours? If so then who is our current addict? Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Dec 15 11:44:45 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:44:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 35689 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:44:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.101] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 19:44:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:44:43 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: PROPOSAL: Limit to active proposals Message-ID: <91dsbb+2gpg@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 497 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " I think it cool that so many proposals are being thrown out here. however, we are getting too many to consider how they might interact with each other. Doc, I kinda hope you don't accept this, but here goes: PROPOSAL: Limit to Active Proposals Only a single proposal or a single point of order may be presented in a single mail message. A player may have only 3 proposals active at one time. An active proposal is one that is pending (i.e. neither accepted or Denied by the Doc). Feyd From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 11:51:10 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:51:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 72577 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:51:10 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215195410.XLOX382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:54:10 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215135051.016a0ed0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:52:02 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] PROPOSAL: Limit to active proposals In-Reply-To: <91dsbb+2gpg@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart In my humble opinion, this might be best suited as an amendment to Rule 3 versus being a new rule. It would keep our ruleset down. At 07:44 PM 12/15/2000 +0000, you wrote: >I think it cool that so many proposals are being thrown out here. >however, we are getting too many to consider how they might interact >with each other. Doc, I kinda hope you don't accept this, but here >goes: > >PROPOSAL: Limit to Active Proposals >Only a single proposal or a single point of order may be presented in >a single mail message. >A player may have only 3 proposals active at one time. An active >proposal is one that is pending (i.e. neither accepted or Denied by >the Doc). > >Feyd > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 12:03:35 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 20:03:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 90908 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 20:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 20:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 21:04:40 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008296BD@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:03:34 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA06851; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:03:33 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Theme thoughts Date: 15 Dec 2000 15:03:33 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 42 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu I've rejected a couple of proposals on grounds something like "it embeds the theme too pervasively in the rules". Let me clarify that -- or muddy it. I built the initial ruleset with the idea in mind that there would be no termination condition for the game, but that it would be divided into rounds that have a termination condition (someone wins). Deliberately, I didn't put in anything about the ruleset reverting to its initial state, or anything like that, for each new round. I didn't want to lose any particularly good and useful rule changes. At the same time, I envisioned that any rules that develop a particular theme might be subject to a repeal proposal -- or even a repeal proclamation -- at the start of a new round. To some extent I had FRC in mind in so thinking. Now I think perhaps I should have followed FRC's example more closely, and made a distinction between theme-developing rules and more general, non-theme rules (corresponding to FRC's Fantasy Rules and Regular Ordinances). Not that I'd want to turn DocNomic into an FRC clone. For one thing, I'd rather have each round be longer, slower, and more developed than a typical FRC round. Certainly none of this round-killing "e who posts the last valid rule wins". I mean, I enjoy FRC, but I want DocNomic to have a different set of flaws! I'm not even sure I'd want the theme-developing rules to expire automatically with each new round. If we're having fun with a particular theme, it'd be nice to have the option of retaining it. At the same time, if a theme is getting a bit stale, it'd be nice to have the option of easily jettisoning it by repealing the theme-based rules. Note, by the way, the start of BiNomic, another bilevel Nomic exploring a similar structure. (or just ask Mark!) Any thoughts? -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 12:08:53 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 20:08:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 87350 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 20:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 20:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 20:08:53 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00829800@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:08:52 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA07900; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:08:52 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: PROPOSAL: Ammend Rule 10 (adding diseases) References: <91ds47+qjur@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 15:08:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:40:55 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Was this accepted during Office Hours? If so then who is our current > addict? No, Office Hours were yesterday. There's nothing that restricts acceptance of rules to Office Hours. So there will be no Addict until next week. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 12:16:20 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 20:16:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 9433 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00829922@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:16:19 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA09280; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:16:18 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] PROPOSAL: Limit to active proposals References: <4.1.20001215135051.016a0ed0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 15:16:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:52:02 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > In my humble opinion, this might be best suited as an amendment to Rule 3 > versus being a new rule. It would keep our ruleset down. > > > At 07:44 PM 12/15/2000 +0000, you wrote: > >I think it cool that so many proposals are being thrown out here. > >however, we are getting too many to consider how they might interact > >with each other. Doc, I kinda hope you don't accept this, but here > >goes: > > > >PROPOSAL: Limit to Active Proposals > >Only a single proposal or a single point of order may be presented in > >a single mail message. > >A player may have only 3 proposals active at one time. An active > >proposal is one that is pending (i.e. neither accepted or Denied by > >the Doc). REJECTED for the above good reason (of course the "single point of order" bit should go in Rule 5, not Rule 3); it also could be considerably less wordy, since the phrase "pending proposal" is already defined. And it doesn't say what to do about it if someone makes a fourth pending proposal. (E.g. ignore it.) And finally, does it help much? How many instances of players having more than 3 pending proposals have we had so far? And we have, what, 8 players right now? That allows for 24 simultaneous pending proposals. Perhaps individual and total limits combined would be better. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Dec 15 13:12:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 21:12:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 11169 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 21:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 21:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c3.egroups.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 21:12:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.230] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 21:12:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:12:53 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: New Position -- Epidemiologist Message-ID: <91e1gl+p0nf@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2350 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " -------------------------------------------- Doc, this is such a cool word!! If you don't like the powers of the Epidemiologist, let's change them but keep the rule!! I also don't know about the auto-cure feature -- maybe that should be a "potion" that has a 50% change of curing, rather than just stating that a disease is cured? --------------------------------------------------------------- PROPOSAL: The Epidemiologist An Epidemiologist studies Diseases and their effects. This study is call Epidemiology. The name of the player who holds the office of Epidemiologist shall be part of the gamestate. The Epidemiologist keeps track of current diseases. Diseases will be listed as a database on the egroups web site. The Epidemiologist will be responsible for making sure this database properly reflects diseases described in the rules. If the site is not updated at least once between Office Hours the Epidemiologist loses 25 health points (he obviously caught a nasty bug if he can't update the site). As compensation for such duties, the Epidemiologist shall receive 1 red pill and 1 yellow pill each week during office hours. Epidemiologist are very healthy because they know all about diseases an special treatments, and usually walk around wearing a mask. Because of this health they may trade health point for soul points on a 3:1 basis. They are also bitter because everyone always mispronounces their name or gets them mixed up with Entomologist. Because of this bitterness and their familarity with diseases the Epidemiologist may spend 15 soul points and infect any player with any disease that currently exists in the rules. If someone posts a message to the official mailing list that misspells "Epidemiologist" or "Epidemiology" then the Epidemiologist may chose to infect them with a disease for only 5 soul points. Epidemiologist also rarely import special one-of-a-kind formulas to treat diseases. Between Office Hours they may cure ONE and only ONE disease that any player has if they so wish. The Epidemiologist may NOT cure themselves -- they aren't about to try experimental junk! The Epidemiologist gets 1 soul point for performing such a kind act. The Doc may appoint a new Epidemiologist at any time. Upon Acceptance of this rule the Feyd will become the Epidemiologist. Feyd From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 13:20:59 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 21:20:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 33593 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 21:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 21:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 22:22:03 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215212358.YACG382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:23:58 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215151853.015f6088@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:21:52 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: New Position -- Epidemiologist In-Reply-To: <91e1gl+p0nf@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Feyd, >Epidemiologist are very healthy because they know all about diseases >an special treatments, and usually walk around wearing a mask. >Because of this health they may trade health point for soul points on >a 3:1 basis. They are also bitter because everyone always >mispronounces their name or gets them mixed up with Entomologist. You state they (I'm not even going to spell it) are very healthy... but you didn't have a way for them to gain significant body or soul points. Was this intentional? All you said was that they get some pills. Maybe the Ep. taking a certain pill gives them n points for body or soul. Also, I think you mean BODY points not HEALTH points. right? From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Dec 15 13:50:41 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 21:50:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 21744 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 21:50:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.104] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 21:50:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:50:36 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Amends for Doc Re: Proposal: New Position -- Epidemiologist Message-ID: <91e3nc+c21h@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001215151853.015f6088@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1049 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: >You state they (I'm not even going to spell it) are very healthy... but you >didn't have a way for them to gain significant body or soul points. Was >this intentional? All you said was that they get some pills. Maybe the Ep. >taking a certain pill gives them n points for body or soul. Also, I think >you mean BODY points not HEALTH points. right? I did mean "Body", not "health". Please note that Doc. Epidemiologists help maintain the game state, but they have more ability to cause mischief in game rather than help. I would prefer that they not get too many bonuses, while still having fun. Their health has more to do with resisting disease. Hmm.. ok, how about this? DOC, AMEND THE PROPOSAL AS FOLLOWS: "Because of their good health, whenever an Epidemiologist would normally contract any disease, e gets one additional 25% change to NOT catch the disease." There. no extra body points, but maybe can reduce change of disease, which seems reasonable. Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Dec 16 15:37:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Dec 2000 23:37:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 25729 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2000 23:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2000 23:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 00:38:36 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0082E5BE@mailer.syr.edu>; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:37:30 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA26091; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:37:29 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] PROPOSAL: "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine" References: <91ds0s+ao5n@eGroups.com> Date: 16 Dec 2000 18:37:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:39:08 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > PROPOSAL: "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine" > > A player with an "Airborne Disease" can try to intentially infect > another player. The player with the airborne disease does so by > posting a message to the group with the Subject line stating: > "I *COUGH* on " > or any subject line with the words *COUGH* and another player's name > (refered to here as ). > > has a 50% chance of becoming infected. If the infecting > player has more than one airborne disease then once disease is chosen > at random to be transmitted (50% chance). > > Infecting another patient isn't a very kind thing to do, even if it's > an accident, and the infecting play automatically loses 5 soul points > for the attempt. If the attempt succeeds, the pharmacy can't help > but be a touch happy, and gives the player causing the infection 1 > green pill. ACCEPTED. I suspect 50% is way too high but we'll see. I take it this should have been preceded with "Create a new rule:", and since you didn't specify a name for the new rule, I will. 1 yellow pill. Pharmacy? Do we need a Pharmacist now? -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Dec 16 15:41:01 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Dec 2000 23:41:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 42199 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2000 23:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2000 23:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Dec 2000 23:41:00 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0082E5D8@mailer.syr.edu>; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:41:00 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA26394; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:40:59 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Amends for Doc Re: Proposal: New Position -- Epidemiologist References: <91e3nc+c21h@eGroups.com> Date: 16 Dec 2000 18:40:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:50:36 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 6 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu The rules don't provide for amendments to pending proposals. So I'll just REJECT the original proposal, and you're free to submit a new version. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Dec 16 15:46:24 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Dec 2000 23:46:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 24813 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2000 23:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2000 23:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Dec 2000 23:46:23 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0082E5FB@mailer.syr.edu>; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:46:22 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA26797; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:46:22 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Directive D3 (was Re: [DocNomic] PROPOSAL: Limit to active proposals) References: <4.1.20001215135051.016a0ed0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 16 Dec 2000 18:46:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu's message of "15 Dec 2000 15:16:18 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Directive D3: Fear of Rejection Another angle on the proposal glut might be to observe that the current rules provide perks for accepted proposals, but no penalties for rejected ones -- thus no incentive not to flood the system. The current rules also provide for both ignoring and rejecting proposals, but do not specify different effects for the two actions. If rejection carried some penalty, but ignoring didn't, then the distinction would be meaningful, whereas at present it isn't. Players are directed to give some thought to proposals addressing this. -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Sun Dec 17 02:40:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 17 Dec 2000 10:40:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 58737 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2000 10:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2000 10:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.91) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 10:40:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.132] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2000 10:40:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:40:05 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Automated Patient Data Message-ID: <91i565+fm4h@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 668 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.49.228.19 From: kevan@somethingorother.com Just to mention the scrawling of a *very* basic patient-data script; I've so far just got it logging three pill colours and the "Cough" disease, and using a particularly ugly and fiddly interface to do so. If we decide to go along with it, I'll naturally make it easier to use and nicer to look at. http://uncertain.org/~kevan/cgi-bin/docnomic.cgi Play around and let me know what you think, anyway. (For what it's worth, the change log would eventually include times, dates and IP addresses, and Players will be required to enter a password before they could change anything.) Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "What seems to be the problem?" From Nomic1@aol.com Sun Dec 17 08:06:44 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 17 Dec 2000 16:06:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 7172 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2000 16:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2000 16:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mu.egroups.com) (10.1.1.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 16:06:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.116] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2000 16:06:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:06:40 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Resubmit of Proposal: New Position -- Epidemiologist Message-ID: <91ioag+r55s@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91e1gl+p0nf@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2713 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.224 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Feyd " wrote: I have Replied and the edited the amends in. > -------------------------------------------- > Doc, this is such a cool word!! If you don't like the powers of the > Epidemiologist, let's change them but keep the rule!! I also don't > know about the auto-cure feature -- maybe that should be a "potion" > that has a 50% change of curing, rather than just stating that a > disease is cured? > --------------------------------------------------------------- > PROPOSAL: The Epidemiologist > An Epidemiologist studies Diseases and their effects. This study is > call Epidemiology. > > The name of the player who holds the office of Epidemiologist shall > be part of the gamestate. The Epidemiologist keeps track of current > diseases. Diseases will be listed as a database on the egroups web > site. The Epidemiologist will be responsible for making sure this > database properly reflects diseases described in the rules. If the > site is not updated at least once between Office Hours the > Epidemiologist loses 25 health points (he obviously caught a nasty > bug if he can't update the site). As compensation for such duties, > the Epidemiologist shall receive 1 red pill and 1 yellow pill each > week during office hours. > > Epidemiologist are very healthy because they know all about diseases > and special treatments, and usually walk around wearing a mask. > Because of this health they may trade body points for soul points on > a 3:1 basis. Because of their good health, whenever an Epidemiologist would normally contract any disease, e gets one additional 25% change to NOT catch the disease. Epidemiologist are also bitter because everyone always > mispronounces their name or gets them mixed up with Entomologist. > > Because of this bitterness and their familarity with diseases the > Epidemiologist may spend 15 soul points and infect any player with > any disease that currently exists in the rules. If someone posts a > message to the official mailing list that misspells "Epidemiologist" > or "Epidemiology" then the Epidemiologist may chose to infect them > with a disease for only 5 soul points. > > Epidemiologist also rarely import special one-of-a-kind formulas to > treat diseases. Between Office Hours they may cure ONE and only ONE > disease that any player has if they so wish. The Epidemiologist may > NOT cure themselves -- they aren't about to try experimental junk! > The Epidemiologist gets 1 soul point for performing such a kind act. > > The Doc may appoint a new Epidemiologist at any time. Upon > Acceptance of this rule the Feyd will become the Epidemiologist. > > Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Sun Dec 17 08:10:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 17 Dec 2000 16:10:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 29346 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2000 16:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Dec 2000 16:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta2 with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 16:10:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.133] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2000 16:10:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:10:31 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Automated Patient Data Message-ID: <91iohn+fptp@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91i565+fm4h@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 854 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.248 From: "Feyd " Note: Looks like the person entering data and the patient are both getting created and updated. --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > Just to mention the scrawling of a *very* basic patient-data script; > I've so far just got it logging three pill colours and the "Cough" > disease, and using a particularly ugly and fiddly interface to do so. > If we decide to go along with it, I'll naturally make it easier to > use and nicer to look at. > > http://uncertain.org/~kevan/cgi-bin/docnomic.cgi > > Play around and let me know what you think, anyway. (For what it's > worth, the change log would eventually include times, dates and IP > addresses, and Players will be required to enter a password before > they could change anything.) > > Kevan > > -- > http://uncertain.org/~kevan > "What seems to be the problem?" From kevan@somethingorother.com Sun Dec 17 12:17:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 17 Dec 2000 20:17:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 67762 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2000 20:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2000 20:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 20:17:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.4] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2000 20:17:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:17:09 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Automated Patient Data Message-ID: <91j705+8u4t@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91iohn+fptp@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 579 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.188.135.49 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Note: Looks like the person entering data and the patient are both > getting created and updated. Mm, the script naturally has no way of knowing that "Feyd Nomid", "Fedy Nomic" and "Feyd Nomic" are supposed to be the same person. (It assumes that anyone mentioned as a Player or Target must be a Player, and creates their details accordingly if it hasn't heard of them before.) But a polished version of it would have all Player names as drop-down menus to avoid the problem of typing mistakes. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I know exactly what they are." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sun Dec 17 13:46:30 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 17 Dec 2000 21:46:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 60914 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2000 21:46:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2000 21:46:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 22:47:35 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008310DA@mailer.syr.edu>; 17 Dec 2000 16:46:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA03780; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:46:29 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Automated Patient Data References: <91j705+8u4t@eGroups.com> Date: 17 Dec 2000 16:46:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:17:09 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Hmm, does this require Java or something? I see a form allowing me to fill in my name, the name of a player, and a comment, but next to "Adjustment" there is nothing, and if I just fill in the two names and select "Administer" nothing seems to change. I'm using Netscape 4.75 under Linux, with Java turned off. -- - Doc From jjweston@pop.net Sun Dec 17 19:07:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 03:07:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 67081 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 03:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 03:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 03:07:15 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjuau06001 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:07:14 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001217190705.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:07:05 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Chronic Ignorability Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston Ammend rule 14 by striking from the 4th paragraph the sentence, "A player with a Chronic Disease may also not make any proposals," and replacing it with "All proposals made by a player with a Chronic Disease are ignored." - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From jjweston@pop.net Sun Dec 17 19:20:27 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 03:20:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 98528 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 03:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 03:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 03:20:26 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjuav20667 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:20:25 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001217192016.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:20:16 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Fear of Rejection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston Amend rule 10 by adding the following disease: Fear of Rejection (Psychosis) Whenever a proposal is rejected, the player who proposed it is afflicted with "Fear of Rejection". If the player already is afflicted with this disease, it becomes chronic. Whenever a player with the non-chronic form of this disease has one of their proposals accepted, they are immediately cured. Amend rule 14 by adding the following paragraph: The cure for "Fear of Rejection" is one purple pill for one week. Amend rule 15 by adding the following exchange: - A player may exchange one yellow pill for two purple pills. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From jjweston@pop.net Sun Dec 17 19:29:11 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 03:29:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 50294 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 03:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 03:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 03:29:10 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjuav29192 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:29:09 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001217192900.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:29:00 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Cash at Office Hours Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston Amend rule 11 by striking the third paragraph and replacing it with: During office hours, every player gains a hundred cash. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From jjweston@pop.net Sun Dec 17 19:38:52 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 03:38:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 42108 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 03:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 03:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 03:38:51 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjuaw09282 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:38:50 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001217193841.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:38:41 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Better Perks for the Nurse Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston Amend rule 16 as follows: Strike the third paragraph. Strike from the fourth paragraph the phrase, "Doc must choose a new Nurse to take over," and replace it with "the nurse is no longer able to fulfill eir role." Add a new paragraph that reads: If at any time the Nurse is unable to fulfill eir role, or that player wishes to vacate the office, Doc must choose a new nurse to take over. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From oairhart@ispchannel.com Sun Dec 17 22:43:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 06:43:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 65416 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 06:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 06:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 07:44:43 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001218064639.LBAI382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:46:39 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001218004109.01316028@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:44:56 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Pills Amendment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Amend Rule 8 to include the following text: Pill colors are limited to red, green, yellow, and blue. ------------ Feel free to inlcude Purple if you must or I propose that we change all instances to purple pills in recently proposed rule changes to be yellow pills. ------------- If proposals keep adding pill colors, the Nurse will never be able to adequately keep track of them. The gamestate database has to be modified each time. Adding new colors is like over printing currency... it causes inflation. Ottis Airhart Nurse From jjweston@pop.net Sun Dec 17 23:04:11 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 07:04:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 14680 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 07:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 07:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 07:04:09 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjubk19171 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001217230359.011231b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:03:59 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: The Monty Burns Effect Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston Enact a new rule: While any player has contracted all of the diseases described in the ruleset in chronic form simultaneously, they suffer what is known as the "Monty Burns Effect". In short, all of the diseases in the body act in perfect harmony to keep the body from dying. Any player suffering the "Monty Burns Effect" has the title of "The Winner of Round 1". - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Dec 18 03:18:23 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 11:18:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 12459 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 11:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 11:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 11:18:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.104] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2000 11:18:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:18:19 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Automated Patient Data Message-ID: <91krpr+re6j@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 516 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Hmm, does this require Java or something? I see a form allowing me to > fill in my name, the name of a player, and a comment, but next to > "Adjustment" there is nothing, and if I just fill in the two names and > select "Administer" nothing seems to change. > > I'm using Netscape 4.75 under Linux, with Java turned off. Feh, I forgot to close a tag; Internet Explorer is entirely less fussy about such things. It should work alright now. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Obscurity knocks." From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Dec 18 05:59:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 13:59:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 68387 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 13:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 13:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 13:59:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.23] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2000 13:59:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:59:38 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: The Monty Burns Effect Message-ID: <91l58a+ijv0@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001217230359.011231b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 727 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > While any player has contracted all of the diseases described in the > ruleset in chronic form simultaneously, they suffer what is known as the > "Monty Burns Effect". In short, all of the diseases in the body act in > perfect harmony to keep the body from dying. Any player suffering the > "Monty Burns Effect" has the title of "The Winner of Round 1". Excellent. But sadly unattainable with Claustrophobia and Agoraphobia taking precedence over one another. I suppose adjusting them to allow both at once would be fair enough, provided that the Soul adjustments were tilted so that they didn't cancel out so exactly... Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Nothing can stop me now... except microscopic germs." From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Dec 18 07:44:26 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 15:44:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 89933 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 15:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 15:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 15:44:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.67] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2000 15:44:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:44:16 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: ROTFL (nt) Re: Proposal: The Monty Burns Effect Message-ID: <91lbcg+63pm@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001217230359.011231b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 9 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " ROTFL!!! From jjweston@pop.net Mon Dec 18 08:00:23 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 16:00:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 38095 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 16:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 16:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 16:00:23 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjucu25609 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:00:22 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001218080003.0168de20@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:00:03 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: The Monty Burns Effect In-Reply-To: <91l58a+ijv0@eGroups.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20001217230359.011231b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston At 01:59 PM 12/18/2000 -0000, you wrote: >Excellent. > >But sadly unattainable with Claustrophobia and Agoraphobia taking >precedence over one another. I suppose adjusting them to allow both >at once would be fair enough, provided that the Soul adjustments were >tilted so that they didn't cancel out so exactly... Yeah, I'm aware of those two diseases being unable to be attained simultaneously. If "The Monty Burns Affect" passes, I'll look into adjusting those two diseases. I already have one proposal amending rule 10, so I think I'll wait until that passes first. Of course, if someone else has a bright idea along these lines....go for it! ;-) - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Dec 18 09:32:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 17:32:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 95107 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 17:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 17:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 17:32:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.91] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2000 17:32:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:32:35 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: The Monty Burns Effect Message-ID: <91lhnj+cfkr@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001218080003.0168de20@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 370 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " Why not amend the proposal to state, "In cases where two diseases are mutually exclusive, then the player must have either one or the other in a cronic state." > so I think I'll wait until that passes first. Of course, if someone else > has a bright idea along these lines....go for it! ;-) personally I would rather see the proposal fixed before it passes... Feyd From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Mon Dec 18 10:12:08 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 18:12:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 25370 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 18:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 18:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.122) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 18:12:03 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by sjc3sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjudc16376 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:12:02 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: The Monty Burns Effect To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:12:00 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/18/2000 12:17:49 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Why not amend the proposal? Well... I can't. Its been proposed, and I can't change it. It will either be accepted, rejected, or ignored as is. However, the proposal is not broke. There is already a precedent where a condition is described that is not attainable by the current rules. Take a look at rule 7. It describes how to win by giving an unattainable objective. The point being that players would find a creative way to attain that objective. I choose to take that same approach with "The Monty Burns Affect". I could try to plug every hole with every proposal I make, but then my proposals would be huge. And what fun would that be? ;-) - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Feyd wrote: Why not amend the proposal to state, "In cases where two diseases are mutually exclusive, then the player must have either one or the other in a cronic state." personally I would rather see the proposal fixed before it passes... From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Dec 18 13:02:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 21:02:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 72273 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 21:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 21:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c3.egroups.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 21:02:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.34] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2000 21:02:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:02:05 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine" Message-ID: <91lu0d+7u4m@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 616 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > "Feyd " writes: > > PROPOSAL: "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine" > ACCEPTED. I suspect 50% is way too high but we'll see. I take it > this should have been preceded with "Create a new rule:", and since > you didn't specify a name for the new rule, I will. 1 yellow pill. Doc, I am confused. I thought the text "PROPOSAL" in the subject line was an explicit notation that this was an "Add a new rule" instance unless otherwise stated. Secondly, I did suggest a new rule name. I called it, "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine". Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 13:55:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 21:55:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 31820 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 21:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 21:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 22:56:43 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008369AE@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:55:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA17873; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:55:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: PROPOSAL: "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine" References: <91lu0d+7u4m@eGroups.com> Date: 18 Dec 2000 16:55:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:02:05 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Doc, > I am confused. I thought the text "PROPOSAL" in the subject line > was an explicit notation that this was an "Add a new rule" instance > unless otherwise stated. Nope -- a proposal can propose to add one or more rules, and/or repeal one or more rules, and/or amend one or more rules. There's no explicit default, though, as you've seen, I'm willing to assume a proposal like yours is proposing to add a rule. > Secondly, I did suggest a new rule name. I called it, "No really, I'm That was the name of the *proposal*... -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Dec 18 14:37:01 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 22:37:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 18931 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 22:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 22:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 22:37:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.106] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2000 22:37:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:36:53 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Winning state Message-ID: <91m3i5+a7v5@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 437 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " I propose a new rule entitled: "Survival of the Fittest" In addition to winning states defined in any other rule, a Player=20 will receive the title, "The Winner of Round 1" if all of the=20 following conditions are true: =B7 The Player has no diseases of any kind. =B7 The Player has at least 100 body points and 100 soul points. =B7 The Player has at least one of each color of pill. =B7 No other Player meets the above conditions. Feyd From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Mon Dec 18 15:25:42 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 23:25:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 98044 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 23:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 23:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net) (198.5.241.86) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 23:25:41 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjudx02629 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:25:25 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Winning state To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:25:38 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/18/2000 05:31:28 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM This winning state seems too easy to achieve. After a rash of pill exchanges of one red pill and one blue pill for one yellow pill, all players except Jim Ingram will meet those conditions. The winner will be the player that manages to avoid getting any disease the longest. Since diseases are handed out more or less randomly, the winner will be determined by luck of the draw rather than any sort of skill. I would much rather see winning conditions that require more skill to attain. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Feyd wrote: I propose a new rule entitled: "Survival of the Fittest" In addition to winning states defined in any other rule, a Player will receive the title, "The Winner of Round 1" if all of the following conditions are true: =B7 The Player has no diseases of any kind. =B7 The Player has at least 100 body points and 100 soul points. =B7 The Player has at least one of each color of pill. =B7 No other Player meets the above conditions. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Mon Dec 18 16:17:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 00:17:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 42978 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 00:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 00:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 00:17:55 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219002056.RCNH382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:20:56 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001218181714.0129b080@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:19:08 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/18/00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Nurse's Report: 12/18/2000 - 6:15pm CST Jeff Weston has exchanged one red and one blue pill for one yellow pill. All changes have been made effective in the player gamestate. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Mon Dec 18 16:32:40 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 00:32:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 55918 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219003539.RFKC382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:35:39 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001218182045.012ae008@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:33:54 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Winning Methods Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose the following rule: Winning Methods All methods defining how a player may be named "The Winner of Round 1" shall be contained within this rule. Any method not thusly listed herein shall be ignored. Each method must be numbered incrementally starting with one and have a unique label for clarification. A player will be named "The Winner of Round 1" by only one of the following methods: 1. All Diseases, No Pills - The player has no pills in their possession and is not currently owed any pills of any color - The player has had at least one occurance of each disease. [[DOC: if you don't like the winning method #1, then feel free to remove it. We can always amend it later. I just think it would be great to have one location for all winning methods. Note also that I mentioned a player may win by having only ONE of the methods described in effect at a given moment to become the winner.]] From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 17:59:42 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 01:59:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 26349 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 01:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 01:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 01:59:41 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379B6@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:59:39 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA16825; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:59:38 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Resubmit of Proposal: New Position -- Epidemiologist References: <91ioag+r55s@eGroups.com> Date: 18 Dec 2000 20:59:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:06:40 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 76 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Feyd " wrote: > I have Replied and the edited the amends in. > > -------------------------------------------- > > Doc, this is such a cool word!! If you don't like the powers of the > > Epidemiologist, let's change them but keep the rule!! I also don't > > know about the auto-cure feature -- maybe that should be a "potion" > > that has a 50% change of curing, rather than just stating that a > > disease is cured? > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > PROPOSAL: The Epidemiologist > > An Epidemiologist studies Diseases and their effects. This study is > > call Epidemiology. > > > > The name of the player who holds the office of Epidemiologist shall > > be part of the gamestate. The Epidemiologist keeps track of current > > diseases. Diseases will be listed as a database on the egroups web > > site. The Epidemiologist will be responsible for making sure this > > database properly reflects diseases described in the rules. If the > > site is not updated at least once between Office Hours the > > Epidemiologist loses 25 health points (he obviously caught a nasty > > bug if he can't update the site). As compensation for such duties, > > the Epidemiologist shall receive 1 red pill and 1 yellow pill each > > week during office hours. > > > > Epidemiologist are very healthy because they know all about > diseases > > and special treatments, and usually walk around wearing a mask. > > Because of this health they may trade body points for soul points > on > > a 3:1 basis. Because of their good health, > whenever an Epidemiologist would normally contract any disease, e > gets one additional 25% change to NOT catch the disease. > Epidemiologist are also bitter because everyone always > > mispronounces their name or gets them mixed up with Entomologist. > > > > Because of this bitterness and their familarity with diseases the > > Epidemiologist may spend 15 soul points and infect any player with > > any disease that currently exists in the rules. If someone posts a > > message to the official mailing list that > misspells "Epidemiologist" > > or "Epidemiology" then the Epidemiologist may chose to infect them > > with a disease for only 5 soul points. > > > > Epidemiologist also rarely import special one-of-a-kind formulas to > > treat diseases. Between Office Hours they may cure ONE and only > ONE > > disease that any player has if they so wish. The Epidemiologist > may > > NOT cure themselves -- they aren't about to try experimental junk! > > The Epidemiologist gets 1 soul point for performing such a kind act. > > > > The Doc may appoint a new Epidemiologist at any time. Upon > > Acceptance of this rule the Feyd will become the Epidemiologist. > > > > Feyd > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > ACCEPTED. 1 green pill, 1 blue pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:00:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:00:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 36131 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 02:00:16 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379BC@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:00:12 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA16926; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:00:12 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Chronic Ignorability References: <3.0.6.32.20001217190705.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:00:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jeff Weston's message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:07:05 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff Weston writes: > Ammend rule 14 by striking from the 4th paragraph the sentence, "A player > with a Chronic Disease may also not make any proposals," and replacing it > with "All proposals made by a player with a Chronic Disease are ignored." ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:01:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:01:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 39478 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 03:02:35 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379C6@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:01:26 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17017; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:01:26 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Fear of Rejection References: <3.0.6.32.20001217192016.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:01:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jeff Weston's message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:20:16 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff Weston writes: > Amend rule 10 by adding the following disease: > > Fear of Rejection (Psychosis) > Whenever a proposal is rejected, the player who proposed it is afflicted > with "Fear of Rejection". If the player already is afflicted with this > disease, it becomes chronic. Whenever a player with the non-chronic form of > this disease has one of their proposals accepted, they are immediately cured. > > Amend rule 14 by adding the following paragraph: > > The cure for "Fear of Rejection" is one purple pill for one week. > > Amend rule 15 by adding the following exchange: > > - A player may exchange one yellow pill for two purple pills. ACCEPTED. 1 purple pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:03:16 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:03:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 58059 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 03:04:21 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379D6@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:03:16 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17205; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:03:15 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Cash at Office Hours References: <3.0.6.32.20001217192900.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:03:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jeff Weston's message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:29:00 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff Weston writes: > Amend rule 11 by striking the third paragraph and replacing it with: > > During office hours, every player gains a hundred cash. Oops, I was going to make that fix when it was adopted (as I recall the proposer gave permission for that). ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. And 100 cash to everyone, in addition to this Thursday's... Merry Christmas! -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:03:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:03:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 22535 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 03:04:44 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379DA@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:03:38 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17296; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:03:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Better Perks for the Nurse References: <3.0.6.32.20001217193841.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:03:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jeff Weston's message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:38:41 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff Weston writes: > Amend rule 16 as follows: > > Strike the third paragraph. > > Strike from the fourth paragraph the phrase, "Doc must choose a new Nurse > to take over," and replace it with "the nurse is no longer able to fulfill > eir role." > > Add a new paragraph that reads: > If at any time the Nurse is unable to fulfill eir role, or that player > wishes to vacate the office, Doc must choose a new nurse to take over. ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:04:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:04:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 47754 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 02:04:31 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379E3@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:04:30 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17405; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:04:30 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Pills Amendment References: <4.1.20001218004109.01316028@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:04:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:44:56 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Amend Rule 8 to include the following text: > > Pill colors are limited to red, green, yellow, and blue. > > > ------------ > Feel free to inlcude Purple if you must ACCEPTED with purple included. 1 purple pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:05:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:05:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 44700 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 02:05:53 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379EF@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:05:53 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17455; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:05:52 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: The Monty Burns Effect References: <3.0.6.32.20001217230359.011231b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:05:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jeff Weston's message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:03:59 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff Weston writes: > Enact a new rule: > > While any player has contracted all of the diseases described in the > ruleset in chronic form simultaneously, they suffer what is known as the > "Monty Burns Effect". In short, all of the diseases in the body act in > perfect harmony to keep the body from dying. Any player suffering the > "Monty Burns Effect" has the title of "The Winner of Round 1". REJECTED. Too random... -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:06:20 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:06:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 53887 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 03:07:25 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379F7@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:06:19 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17594; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:06:19 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Winning state References: <91m3i5+a7v5@eGroups.com> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:06:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:36:53 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > I propose a new rule entitled: "Survival of the Fittest" > In addition to winning states defined in any other rule, a Player > will receive the title, "The Winner of Round 1" if all of the > following conditions are true: > · The Player has no diseases of any kind. > · The Player has at least 100 body points and 100 soul points. > · The Player has at least one of each color of pill. > · No other Player meets the above conditions. REJECTED. Too random and too easy. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:08:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:08:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 50825 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 02:08:16 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00837A0C@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:08:16 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17777; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:08:15 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Winning Methods References: <4.1.20001218182045.012ae008@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:08:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:33:54 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I propose the following rule: > > Winning Methods > All methods defining how a player may be named "The Winner of Round 1" > shall be contained within this rule. Any method not thusly listed herein > shall be ignored. Each method must be numbered incrementally starting with > one and have a unique label for clarification. > > A player will be named "The Winner of Round 1" by only one of the following > methods: > > 1. All Diseases, No Pills > - The player has no pills in their possession and is not currently owed > any pills of any color > - The player has had at least one occurance of each disease. > > > > > > [[DOC: if you don't like the winning method #1, then feel free to remove > it. We can always amend it later. I just think it would be great to have > one location for all winning methods. Note also that I mentioned a player > may win by having only ONE of the methods described in effect at a given > moment to become the winner.]] ACCEPTED with deletion of the specified winning method -- again, too random and too easy (getting rid of pills is trivial, you just take them.) 1 yellow pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:13:28 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:13:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 27089 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 03:14:33 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00837A43@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:13:27 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA18368; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:13:27 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proclamation: Epidemiologist References: <91ioag+r55s@eGroups.com> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:13:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu's message of "18 Dec 2000 20:59:38 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu The sentence Upon Acceptance of this rule the Feyd will become the Epidemiologist. is hereby deleted from Rule 18 (having already taken effect). -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:26:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:26:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 64394 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 03:27:43 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00837B12@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:26:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19814; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:26:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Agoraphobia Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:26:36 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu We have two new rules: Rule 18 (Feyd) Each player besides Feyd has an 18% chance of contracting agoraphobia. 7 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.119903564453125 0.732147216796875 0.546661376953125 0.3807373046875 0.798583984375 0.0654296875 0.91253662109375 Britta and Mark get agoraphobia. Rule 19 (Ottis) Each player besides Ottis (and Britta and Mark, of course) has a 19% chance of contracting agoraphobia. 5 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.59307861328125 0.9498291015625 0.400848388671875 0.716949462890625 0.845916748046875 No one else gets agoraphobia. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:27:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:27:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 68042 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 02:27:49 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00837B1F@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:27:48 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19889; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:27:47 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Fear of Rejection Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:27:47 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff and Feyd have Fear of Rejection. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 20:24:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 04:24:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 1587 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 04:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 04:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 05:25:38 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083827B@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:24:33 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA03536; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:24:32 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: The Nurse asks the doc of docnomic References: <4.1.20001218204032.02ea2b48@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 18 Dec 2000 23:24:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:42:39 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I see that the adjustments were made for the diseases in the database. It > did not appear that you adjusted the pill counts, so I did. The rules don't > state that as your responsibility now, but just wanted to make sure you > didn't. Right. The rules say "The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions" and strictly speaking, Prescriptions and Perks are two different things. However, it makes sense to me to have one person tracking both. It's starting to seem a little daft to have the Nurse maintaining one column of the database and me the others, but that's the way it seems to be at the moment. Now that Kevan's fixed his HTML I can use his form and it looks like it could provide an easier way to maintain the gamedata, even if one person is doing all the entry. Only trouble is keeping it up with the ruleset... we have purple pills now! (Noticed at least one interesting feature -- if you try to take 2 red pills when you have none, it *adds* two red pills. Hmm.) -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Dec 19 02:13:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 10:13:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 91976 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 10:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 10:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 10:13:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.48] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 10:13:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:13:45 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Automation Message-ID: <91nccp+tdhb@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1387 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > It's starting to seem a little daft to have the Nurse maintaining one > column of the database and me the others, but that's the way it seems > to be at the moment. Now that Kevan's fixed his HTML I can use his > form and it looks like it could provide an easier way to maintain the > gamedata, even if one person is doing all the entry. I saw it going more along the lines of "Any Player may take a Pill at any time via the Patient Interface." and "If a Player has taken a Purple Pill in the past 24 hours, any Player may cure them of Agoraphobia.", leaving it entirely up to Players to keep things ticking over. > Only trouble is > keeping it up with the ruleset... we have purple pills now! Mm, I've kept that in mind, and adding new Pills won't take much work. I may even allow it to be done through the interface, if we're likely to have more colours cropping up. (I suppose such a thing for Diseases would be useful, regardless.) > (Noticed at least one interesting feature -- if you try to take 2 red > pills when you have none, it *adds* two red pills. Hmm.) Indeed, very little validation in place at the moment; I just rushed out a prototype to see if people thought it was a good idea or not. Shall I tidy up the loose ends and put forward a Proposal to start using it, then? Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "No, no, it are a *reclining* chair." From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Dec 19 05:52:36 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 13:52:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 14737 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 13:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 13:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 13:52:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.117] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 13:52:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:52:33 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Agoraphobia Message-ID: <91np71+f5ce@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 504 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Rule 19 (Ottis) > > Each player besides Ottis (and Britta and Mark, of course) has a 19% > chance of contracting agoraphobia. And Britta and Mark both lose 5 Soul Points, of course. Incidentally, do people think we should be viewing Soul points as a measure of karmic benevolence, or of sanity? I can already see its usage becoming a little stretched; it might be worth us agreeing on an interpretation. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Somewhere very far away, I can hear myself scream." From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 06:15:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 14:15:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 20319 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 14:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 14:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 15:17:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.132] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 14:15:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:15:53 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Agoraphobia Message-ID: <91nqip+gvom@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91np71+f5ce@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 361 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > Incidentally, do people think we should be viewing Soul points as a > measure of karmic benevolence, or of sanity? I can already see its > usage becoming a little stretched; it might be worth us agreeing on > an interpretation. How about both? If you go crazy god doesn't like you any more.... Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 06:36:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 14:36:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 62800 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 14:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 14:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 14:36:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.207] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 14:36:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:35:57 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Epidemiologist Report Message-ID: <91nrod+pjgd@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 688 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " Greetings from they Epidemiology Department. We currently have six known diseases. These diseases are documented in the database tab. Current diseases: Addiction (Psychosis) Agoraphobia (Psychosis) Bit of a Cough (Airborne) Claustrophobia (Psychosis) Fear of Rejection (Psychosis) Migraine (Non-Contagious) There are likely to be several cases of Migraines coming into Office Hours. If Players would prefer I will mail out a full list of diseases and their cures, or I can map it all in the database. Also, if players prefer I can keep a separate database of JUST cures. This might be easier to use than the one big database. Please let me know what you prefer. From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Dec 19 06:38:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 14:38:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 70410 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 14:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 14:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hm.egroups.com) (10.1.10.45) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 14:38:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.1.35] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 14:38:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:38:28 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals: Chronicity / Fear / Cough / Bloaty / Death / Shrink Message-ID: <91nrt4+4ab2@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4343 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Nothing Chronic Remove the Chronic-mentioning sentence from the definition of "Fear of Rejection". Remove the "Prescription" and "Chronic" paragraphs from Rule 14 (Cures). { It seems a bit slapdash and generic; I'd rather see certain specific diseases leading to others (and some diseases being trivial or even beneficial) than sweeping Pill-quadrupling and Proposal denial for every single one. } ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Fear Itself Add "Whenever a Player with Fear of Rejection submits a Proposal, they lose 5 Soul Points." to the definition of that Disease. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Nasty Cough You've Got There Create a new Disease:- Nasty Cough (Airborne) A Player with this Disease should include the string "*cough*" at least four times in each Proposal message he or she submits, or that Proposal shall be ignored. That Player loses 8 Body Points for each Proposal he or she submits. During Office Hours, any Player with A Bit of a Cough has a 30% chance of that Disease being replaced by Nasty Cough. If a Player would catch Nasty Cough from another Player, they catch A Bit of a Cough instead. Each Green Pill a Player takes has a 30% of curing them of this Disease. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Bloaty Head { Hm, has anyone else played "Theme Hospital"? } To "Diseases", add the paragraph:- Some Diseases are operable by certain staff, for a given cost. A Player may request such an operation from a relevant staff member, if he or she can afford the operation; upon such a request being acknowledged, the Player is cured of the Disease and loses Cash equal to the cost. Create a new Disease:- Bloaty Head (Physical) A Player with Bloaty Head suffers tremendous discomfort, and loses 10 Body Points during Office Hours. Bloaty Head is cured using a special machine, which can only be operated by Doc or the Nurse. This operation costs 100 Cash, and is harrowing enough to reduce the patient's Soul Points by 10. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Death, Insanity, Rebirth Remove the "Death" section from Rule 14. Enact a new Rule, "Death and Insanity":- If a Player has zero Body Points, he or she is considered Dead. If a Player is Dead, they may take no game actions (other than submitting Proposals) for the remainder of the current Round, and their Body Points may not be increased. If a Player has zero Soul Points, he or she is considered Insane. Insane Players may take no game actions, although Doc is free to take game actions on their behalf, in what he feels is in keeping with their insanity. When a new Round begins, any Dead Players are given twenty-five Body Points (this overrides the earlier paragraph) and lose any Diseases they might have had. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - In the Psychiatrist's Chair Enact a new Rule, "Psychiatrist":- The Psychiatrist deals with the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of mental and emotional disorders, and is able, through counselling, to treat the Psychoses of other Players. At any given time, one Player may be a Psychiatrist (their identity is part of the gamestate). Anyone wishing to be treated by the Psychiatrist should make such a request on the mailing list. The Psychiatrist may honour such requests by announcing to the list that, after a tense and emotional counselling session, any or all of the Psychoses suffered by that Player have been lost. The Psychiatrist may not counsel themselves, but, through mutual understanding and personal development, any Psychosis they cure in another Player is automatically cured in themselves, if they have it. If the Psychiatrist's Soul Points drop below thirty, Doc may reassign the role elsewhere. Upon enactment of this Rule, Kevan becomes the Psychiatrist. This paragraph then removes itself from the ruleset. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm listening." From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 06:41:16 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 14:41:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 66216 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 14:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 14:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 14:41:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.207] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 14:41:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:41:07 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Epidemiology Department Update -- Rare bug-eyed beetle found! Message-ID: <91ns23+vp7t@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 746 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " The Epidemiology Department has just been sent an almost extinct bug- eyed beetle from sub-sahara Africa that is rumored to cure almost any illness. If any Player with an illness would like to take part in an exciting study to see if we can cure their illness, please contact Feyd via this mailing list. In your application, please be sure to include: Name: Disease: Symptoms: Why you are more worthy to be accepted than the other applicants: Favorite Color: A test subject will be selected Wednesday afternoon. The Epidemiology Department expects to receive more interesting items that may cure diseases in the coming weeks. We will sent out a call for volunteers whenever such a item is received by the department. Thank you, Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 06:48:59 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 14:48:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 72151 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 14:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 14:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 14:48:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.126] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 14:48:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:48:53 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposals: Chronicity / Fear / Cough / Bloaty / Death / Shrink Message-ID: <91nsgl+r99j@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91nrt4+4ab2@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 745 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Proposal - Nothing Chronic > Proposal - Fear Itself > Proposal - Nasty Cough You've Got There > Proposal - Bloaty Head -- Description of type (Physical) > Create a new Disease:- Bloaty Head This has to be proposed as an amendment to Rule 10. > Proposal - Death, Insanity, Rebirth I don't like this one. I think that in Round 2 should be something like all pills, cash, soul, and body are reset. > Proposal - In the Psychiatrist's Chair Good grief, you'd better hope some of these are accepted, or you're going to get Fear of Rejection. BTW: what happens if you have FoR cronic and a proposal is rejected? Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 06:53:27 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 14:53:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 17074 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 14:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 14:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 14:53:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.66] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 14:53:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:53:17 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Step into the Light Message-ID: <91nsot+jja6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 336 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " Create a new rule, "Step Into the Light" At the beginning of round 2, each player will have the following actions taken to their scores: Body set to 100 Soul set to 100 All pill totals set to 0. Add 1 red, 2 yellow, 3 green pills. All Diseases are cured. After these actions are taken then: A random player is given "Bit of Cough" From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Dec 19 06:54:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 14:54:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 89184 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 14:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 14:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ck.egroups.com) (10.1.2.83) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 15:55:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.63] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 14:54:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:54:09 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Epidemiologist Report Message-ID: <91nsqh+1oin@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91nrod+pjgd@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 401 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Greetings from they Epidemiology Department. We currently have six > known diseases. These diseases are documented in the database tab. Um, I might have missed a memo somewhere, but what exact benefit are we supposed to be getting from having Diseases listed in both the Ruleset and a database? K. -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department." From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 07:51:38 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 15:51:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 28553 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 15:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 15:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 16:52:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.1.35] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 15:51:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:51:22 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Epidemiologist Report Message-ID: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91nsqh+1oin@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 570 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: >> Greetings from they Epidemiology Department. We currently have six >> known diseases. These diseases are documented in the database tab. >Um, I might have missed a memo somewhere, but what exact benefit are >we supposed to be getting from having Diseases listed in both the >Ruleset and a database? None really, except that cures are not necessarily part of rule 10, and this keeps it all together. The database isn't part of the game state, but a weekly report is mandated by the Epidemiology rule. Fyed From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 07:57:32 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 15:57:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 7453 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 15:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 15:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 15:57:29 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219160027.VTLF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:00:27 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219095820.02f06768@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:58:39 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Epidemiologist Report In-Reply-To: <91nrod+pjgd@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I prefer one big database with diseases and cures together. Just my opinion. At 02:35 PM 12/19/2000 +0000, you wrote: >Greetings from they Epidemiology Department. We currently have six >known diseases. These diseases are documented in the database tab. > >Current diseases: > >Addiction (Psychosis) >Agoraphobia (Psychosis) >Bit of a Cough (Airborne) >Claustrophobia (Psychosis) >Fear of Rejection (Psychosis) >Migraine (Non-Contagious) > >There are likely to be several cases of Migraines coming into Office >Hours. > >If Players would prefer I will mail out a full list of diseases and >their cures, or I can map it all in the database. > >Also, if players prefer I can keep a separate database of JUST >cures. This might be easier to use than the one big database. > >Please let me know what you prefer. > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 08:07:25 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 16:07:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 28914 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 16:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 16:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 16:07:25 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219161026.VVFV382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:10:26 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219100456.02ee1488@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:08:37 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Diseases and Cures Amendment In-Reply-To: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> References: <91nsqh+1oin@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose the following amendment to rule #10. Diseases: Remove all listings of diseases and insert in their place the following text: All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at . ========== I propose the following amendment to rule #14. Cures: Remove all listings of cures and insert in their place the following text: All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at . From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Dec 19 08:10:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 16:10:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 90868 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 16:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 16:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 17:11:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.113] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 16:10:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:10:34 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Epidemiologist Report Message-ID: <91o19q+aupj@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 785 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > >Um, I might have missed a memo somewhere, but what exact benefit are > >we supposed to be getting from having Diseases listed in both the > >Ruleset and a database? > > None really, except that cures are not necessarily part of rule 10, > and this keeps it all together. Hm. I suspect it'd be easier to keep it all together in Rule 10, and remove the need for someone to cut-and-paste it all into a database every so often. Diseases are just as static as any Rule, really, and removing them from the Ruleset just makes for pointless duplication or (if we performed a complete Diseasectomy) Doc having to faff around with the database as well as the Ruleset, when processing Proposals that add a new Disease. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Forever is too long." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 09:24:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 17:24:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 5558 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 17:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 17:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 17:24:42 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219172740.WIHC382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:27:40 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219112341.012afe90@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:25:53 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order: Epidemiologist Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Doc, The Office Holders listing in the gamestate should include: Epidemiologist is the person variosly known as Feyd or Nomic1. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 09:46:52 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 17:46:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 94208 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 17:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 17:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 18:47:57 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219174954.WMCC382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:49:54 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219111714.02efddb0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:48:07 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Blood Test In-Reply-To: <91o19q+aupj@eGroups.com> References: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose a new rule labeled: Blood Test Any officer or a player, at their discretion, may arrange for a blood test to be performed on that player by sending a message to the mailing list. The message subject must begin with "Blood Test:" followed by the player's name. The blood test shall be to determine if a player has contracted a disease. A player may only have one blood test for every two Office Hours since otherwise, they might become too weak to play from lack of blood. Each blood test removes 3 body points from the player. A player who asks for a blood test shall lose an additional 2 body points. There is a X percent chance that the blood test shall show the infection of a random disease where X is 100 minus the product of the body points divided by two for that player ( X = 100 - (B.P. / 2 ) ). The Epidemiologist may call for a blood test for a particular disease, which increases the likelihood of infection by that disease by 25% (since e knows what e is talking about). From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 09:54:07 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 17:54:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 73139 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 17:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 17:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 17:54:07 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219175708.WNJQ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:57:08 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219115421.01411a10@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:55:20 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Test (amended) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I forgot one sentence below stating that the Nurse performs the Blood Test. I propose a new rule labeled: Blood Test Any officer or a player, at their discretion, may arrange for a blood test to be performed on that player by sending a message to the mailing list. The message subject must begin with "Blood Test:" followed by the player's name. The blood test shall be to determine if a player has contracted a disease and is performed by the Nurse. A player may only have one blood test for every two Office Hours since otherwise, they might become too weak to play from lack of blood. Each blood test removes 3 body points from the player. A player who asks for a blood test shall lose an additional 2 body points. There is a X percent chance that the blood test shall show the infection of a random disease where X is 100 minus the product of the body points divided by two for that player ( X = 100 - (B.P. / 2 ) ). The Epidemiologist may call for a blood test for a particular disease, which increases the likelihood of infection by that disease by 25% (since e knows what e is talking about). From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 10:06:27 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 18:06:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 12393 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 18:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 18:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 18:06:25 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219180927.WPLR382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:09:27 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219114810.012e5e78@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:07:40 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Blood Bank Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose a new rule labeled Blood Bank: The Blood Bank stores blood collected from the players to be used for medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and to increase one's health. The Blood Bank is part of the gamestate and shall have it's status stored in a database at . The Blood Bank is maintained by the Nurse. All players are required to donate blood to the blood bank at least once per four Office Hours. Failure to do so shall result in the decrement of ten body points during Office Hours if that player has not donated blood within the last four Office Hours. The players last date of donation shall be part of the gamestate. A new player shall have a blood test immediately upon recognition by the Doc. A player must have had a Blood Test within 7 days prior to donation resulting in no new infection by that player. Only one pint of blood may be donated for each Blood Test. As compensation for donation, a player shall gain 100 cash points, gain 5 Soul points, and lose 3 Body points. If a player needs blood or wishes to buy blood, they may do so by notifying the Nurse concerning how many pints they wish to buy. The purchase shall decrement the player's cash points by 200, and increase their body points by 5. This is in addition to any other costs that may be required for medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and must be arranged before any medical procedure requiring blood takes place. =========== I encourage the Surgery proposal to include the requirement for X pints of blood for a particular procedure. =========== Also, no one panic concerning the blood bank... if accepted, the Nurse shall call all players to have a blood test thereby not costing the player more points. From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Tue Dec 19 10:34:09 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 18:34:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 30867 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 18:34:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 18:34:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.106) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 18:34:08 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjugw28596 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:34:07 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposals: Chronicity / Fear / Cough / Bloaty / Death / Shrink To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:34:04 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/19/2000 12:39:55 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM That situation can't happen. If you have a chronic disease, all of your proposals are ignored with the current ruleset. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Feyd wrote: BTW: what happens if you have FoR cronic and a proposal is rejected? From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Tue Dec 19 10:39:46 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 18:39:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 47184 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 18:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 18:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.98) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 18:39:45 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by chi6sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjugw00352 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:39:35 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Epidemiologist Report To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:39:32 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/19/2000 12:45:23 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Does the Epidemiologist even track the cures? Rule 18 only mentions diseases... - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Feyd wrote: None really, except that cures are not necessarily part of rule 10, and this keeps it all together. The database isn't part of the game state, but a weekly report is mandated by the Epidemiology rule. From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Tue Dec 19 10:44:07 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 18:44:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 36663 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 18:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 18:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.98) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 19:45:12 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by chi6sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjugw06797 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:44:06 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Diseases and Cures Amendment To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:44:02 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/19/2000 12:49:54 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM The more I think about it, the more I feel that diseases and cures should remain part of the ruleset, and should not be a database. Being part of the ruleset makes it much more flexible. Making it part of the database removes all that flexibility. It also places power into the hands of the Epidemiologist who maintains the database. If they insert a disease into the database incorrectly, does it take effect that way? There would be no rules to correct the disease definitions. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Ottis Airhart wrote: I propose the following amendment to rule #10. Diseases: Remove all listings of diseases and insert in their place the following text: All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at . ========== I propose the following amendment to rule #14. Cures: Remove all listings of cures and insert in their place the following text: All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at . From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 11:24:40 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 19:24:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 56128 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 19:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 19:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 19:24:38 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219192740.XDXV382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:27:40 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219132515.02ed8f00@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:25:53 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Epidemiologist Report In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart The E. doesn't have to, but they can be kept in the db anyways. The Nurse doesn't track the diseases per player, but they are in that db the Nurse uses for pill counts. At 10:39 AM 12/19/2000 -0800, you wrote: > > Does the Epidemiologist even track the cures? Rule 18 only mentions >diseases... > >- - - >Jeffrey J. Weston >jjweston@thoughtworks.com >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc >- - - > >Feyd wrote: > >None really, except that cures are not necessarily part of rule 10, >and this keeps it all together. The database isn't part of the game >state, but a weekly report is mandated by the Epidemiology rule. > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 11:26:03 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 19:26:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 76578 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 19:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 19:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 20:27:08 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219192905.XEDO382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:29:05 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219132629.014403d0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:27:17 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Diseases and Cures Amendment In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Why not make the diseases and cures database "part of the ruleset" subject to all priveleges (sp?), changes, and etc... therin. At 10:44 AM 12/19/2000 -0800, you wrote: > > The more I think about it, the more I feel that diseases and cures >should remain part of the ruleset, and should not be a database. Being part >of the ruleset makes it much more flexible. Making it part of the database >removes all that flexibility. It also places power into the hands of the >Epidemiologist who maintains the database. If they insert a disease into >the database incorrectly, does it take effect that way? There would be no >rules to correct the disease definitions. > >- - - >Jeffrey J. Weston >jjweston@thoughtworks.com >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc >- - - > >Ottis Airhart wrote: > >I propose the following amendment to rule #10. Diseases: > >Remove all listings of diseases and insert in their place the following >text: > >All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at >. > >========== > >I propose the following amendment to rule #14. Cures: > >Remove all listings of cures and insert in their place the following text: > >All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at >. > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 12:04:15 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 20:04:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 6285 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 20:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 20:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 21:04:49 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083BA1B@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:03:43 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA06972; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:03:43 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Agoraphobia References: <91np71+f5ce@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 15:03:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:52:33 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > And Britta and Mark both lose 5 Soul Points, of course. Oops. Thanks. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 12:10:46 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 20:10:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 5869 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 20:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 20:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 20:10:45 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083BC39@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:10:45 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA08842; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:10:44 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order: Epidemiologist References: <4.1.20001219112341.012afe90@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 15:10:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:25:53 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > The Office Holders listing in the gamestate should include: > > Epidemiologist is the person variosly known as Feyd or Nomic1. Right, thanks. -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Dec 19 12:13:36 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 20:13:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 28349 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 20:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 20:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 20:13:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.113] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 20:13:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:13:28 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Diseases and Cures Amendment Message-ID: <91ofh8+lsva@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001219132629.014403d0@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1705 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.49.238.165 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > The more I think about it, the more I feel that diseases and cures > >should remain part of the ruleset, and should not be a database. Being part > >of the ruleset makes it much more flexible. Making it part of the database > >removes all that flexibility. It also places power into the hands of the > >Epidemiologist who maintains the database. If they insert a disease into > >the database incorrectly, does it take effect that way? There would be no > >rules to correct the disease definitions. > > Why not make the diseases and cures database "part of the ruleset" subject > to all priveleges (sp?), changes, and etc... therin. I'm afraid I just don't see any benefit from it, and plenty of rather hefty drawbacks - aside from it seeming awkward for Doc to have to wander off and update an eGroups database if a bunch of passed Proposals include a tweak to a Disease, splitting the Ruleset over two separate sites just seems to add an element of uncertainty and disarray. I don't really want to have to browse to another site to read something that could *easily* go in the Ruleset, particularly if I'm on a slow connection. I don't want to have two windows open if I'm skimming through the Ruleset checking things. I'd prefer it if I could just text-search "purple pill" in one browser window, to find out about Purple Pills' influence on the game. If Diseases somehow changed dynamically, it might make sense to have them stored somewhere where all of the relevant people could get at them, but since they're really no more than standard-issue Rule paragraphs, this seems rather pointless. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm just a nasty narrow-minded jade." From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 12:24:22 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 20:24:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 69390 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 20:24:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 20:24:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 21:25:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.95] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 20:24:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:24:15 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Diseases and Cures Amendment Message-ID: <91og5f+5cfp@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91ofh8+lsva@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 679 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > > > The more I think about it, the more I feel that diseases and > cures > > >should remain part of the ruleset, and should not be a database. I don't have an opinion here. I will maintain the Database as an "unofficial" list -- for me it is much easier. However, I can see both pros and cons of making it officially part of the ruleset -- for one thing, only Doc should update the ruleset. Would it be better if we called it a "non-official mirror"? That way new diseases are added by amending rule 10, and I update my list(s). I need to put cures in there too -- or maybe make that a separate list. Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 12:32:23 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 20:32:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 6477 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 20:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 20:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 21:33:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.95] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 20:32:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:32:12 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: DOC: I Invoke Rule 18, Paragraph 4 Message-ID: <91ogkc+206s@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001219132515.02ed8f00@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1042 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " Ottis Airhart clearly misspells Epidemiologist below as "E.". I therefore invoke Rule 18 Paragraph 4 and infect Ottis Airhart with Agoraphobia! This cost me 5 soul points. Please spell my position correctly in the future. Congratulations to Mr. Weston below for his exemplary spelling skills. Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > The E. doesn't have to, but they can be kept in the db anyways. The Nurse > doesn't track the diseases per player, but they are in that db the Nurse > uses for pill counts. > At 10:39 AM 12/19/2000 -0800, you wrote: > > > > Does the Epidemiologist even track the cures? Rule 18 only mentions > >diseases... > > > >- - - > >Jeffrey J. Weston > >jjweston@t... > >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc > >- - - > > > >Feyd wrote: > > > >None really, except that cures are not necessarily part of rule 10, > >and this keeps it all together. The database isn't part of the game > >state, but a weekly report is mandated by the Epidemiology rule. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 12:55:28 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 20:55:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 62161 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 20:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 20:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 20:55:27 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083C0CD@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:55:27 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA17490; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:55:26 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] DOC: I Invoke Rule 18, Paragraph 4 References: <91ogkc+206s@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 15:55:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:32:12 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Ottis Airhart clearly misspells Epidemiologist below as "E.". I > therefore invoke Rule 18 Paragraph 4 and infect Ottis Airhart with > Agoraphobia! This cost me 5 soul points. Doc rules that an abbreviation is not a misspelling. Your soul is intact, as is Ottis's sanity. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 13:09:47 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 21:09:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 81986 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 21:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 21:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 21:09:46 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219204350.XQUP382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:43:50 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219143846.02e8fed8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:41:57 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] DOC: I Invoke Rule 18, Paragraph 4 In-Reply-To: <91ogkc+206s@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20001219132515.02ed8f00@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart AH, you are a NASTY MAN. I was not mis-spelling it, I was abbreviating it to avoid mis-spelling it. How can you mis-spell something you haven't even spelled. I will from now on refer to your position as the NASTY MAN. At 08:32 PM 12/19/2000 +0000, you wrote: >Ottis Airhart clearly misspells Epidemiologist below as "E.". I >therefore invoke Rule 18 Paragraph 4 and infect Ottis Airhart with >Agoraphobia! This cost me 5 soul points. > >Please spell my position correctly in the future. Congratulations to >Mr. Weston below for his exemplary spelling skills. > >Feyd > >--- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: >> The E. doesn't have to, but they can be kept in the db anyways. The >Nurse >> doesn't track the diseases per player, but they are in that db the >Nurse >> uses for pill counts. >> At 10:39 AM 12/19/2000 -0800, you wrote: >> > >> > Does the Epidemiologist even track the cures? Rule 18 only >mentions >> >diseases... >> > >> >- - - >> >Jeffrey J. Weston >> >jjweston@t... >> >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc >> >- - - >> > >> >Feyd wrote: >> > >> >None really, except that cures are not necessarily part of rule 10, >> >and this keeps it all together. The database isn't part of the >game >> >state, but a weekly report is mandated by the Epidemiology rule. > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 13:11:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 21:11:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 20392 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 21:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 21:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 22:12:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.110] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 21:11:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:11:10 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: POINT OF ORDER: Rule 18, Paragraph 4 Message-ID: <91oite+8l7p@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 882 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " Doc, Your decision below is incorrect. I invoke point of order. Reasoning: If abbreviations are allowed, paragraph 4 has no meaning. "E." is not an accepted abbreviation for "Epidemiologist" in any medical text. The *clear* intent of the rule is to prevent such callous twisting of the bitter Epidemiologist's name. If you overrule this Point, then ANY charge of misspelling can be answered with, "Oh, I didn't misspell Epidemiologist, that's just an abbreviation." Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > "Feyd " writes: > > > Ottis Airhart clearly misspells Epidemiologist below as "E.". I > > therefore invoke Rule 18 Paragraph 4 and infect Ottis Airhart with > > Agoraphobia! This cost me 5 soul points. > > Doc rules that an abbreviation is not a misspelling. Your soul is > intact, as is Ottis's sanity. > > -- > - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 13:14:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 21:14:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 28876 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 21:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 21:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 22:15:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.110] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 21:14:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:13:54 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: DOC: I Invoke Rule 18, Paragraph 4 Message-ID: <91oj2i+8k95@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001219143846.02e8fed8@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 448 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: >AH, you are a NASTY MAN. I was not mis-spelling it, I was abbreviating it >to avoid mis-spelling it. How can you mis-spell something you haven't even >spelled. I will from now on refer to your position as the NASTY MAN. Am NOT! I've already offered to help heal someone. And, um, and.... Hell, you are right. ROTFL. Less than 20 rules and I'm already a bad person! Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 13:30:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 21:30:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 69218 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 21:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 21:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 21:30:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.4.73] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 21:30:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:30:36 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Question about the Psychiatrist proposal -- suggested limits Message-ID: <91ok1s+qikh@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1475 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " As proposed, the psychiatrist decide at random who he chooses to heal or not heal. Can he heal those who do not wish to be healed (perhaps in order to remove one of his own phychosis)? Can he charge pills or fees for his services? Can he heal several people in one week? If so, then that seems a bit overbalancing....the phychiatrist can remove all Phychosis from all players except himself, and as long as another player has that disease, the phychiatrist can heal himself too. This basically allows one player to completely remove an entire class of disease from the gamestate. I would like to see stronger limits on this proposal. I would support two different approaches: ONE WAY: Limited number of times per week the Phychiatrist can do his stuff. There is a random change of success (say 50%). There is a random change of self-healing in the phychiatrist (say 25%). Since he is doing a good deed he also gets 2 soul points just for the attempt. The player being treated must pay the bank 100 cash for the visit. ANOTHER TACK: Being around a sick person like that means the phyciatrist has a 50% chance of CONTRACTING the disease he is healing. This would make it more likely that fees will be charged, but then the psyche is taking a risk, so that's ok. If he has any cronic diseases the Doc must immediately name another player Phychiatrist. This player may not have any cronic diseases. Should this have been raised as a point of order? Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 14:01:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 22:01:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 71378 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 22:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 22:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 23:02:25 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083C6C2@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:01:19 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA28251; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:01:18 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Question about the Psychiatrist proposal -- suggested limits References: <91ok1s+qikh@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 17:01:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:30:36 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Should this have been raised as a point of order? Nope, it's just comments. And valid ones, I might add. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 14:32:44 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 22:32:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 56704 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 22:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 22:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 22:32:36 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083C96D@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:32:35 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA02625; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:32:27 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] POINT OF ORDER: Rule 18, Paragraph 4 References: <91oite+8l7p@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 17:32:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:11:10 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Doc, > Your decision below is incorrect. I invoke point of order. > > Reasoning: > If abbreviations are allowed, paragraph 4 has no meaning. "E." is > not an accepted abbreviation for "Epidemiologist" in any medical > text. The *clear* intent of the rule is to prevent such callous > twisting of the bitter Epidemiologist's name. > > If you overrule this Point, then ANY charge of misspelling can be > answered with, "Oh, I didn't misspell Epidemiologist, that's just an > abbreviation." > > Feyd Ottis, or anyone else: care to comment on this before I pass judgement? -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 16:27:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 00:27:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 70799 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 00:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 00:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 00:27:31 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001220003022.ZFYG382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:30:22 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219181318.01410158@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:28:35 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] POINT OF ORDER: Rule 18, Paragraph 4 In-Reply-To: References: <"Feyd "'s message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:11:10 -0000"> <91oite+8l7p@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I would submit the following examples of where 'E' has been used to refer specifically to Epidemiology. EDEN - European Dermato-Epidemiology Network ENARE - European Network for Antibiotic Resistance and Epidemiology EPO - Epidemiology Program Office These are all official abbreviations as found at: http://www.geocities.com/~mlshams/acronym/acrE.htm I quote from http://www.dictionary.com that an abbreviation is: "A shortened form of a word or phrase used chiefly in writing to represent the complete form, such as Mass. for Massachusetts or USMC for United States Marine Corps." Also, the definition of "spell" according to the same source is: "To name or write in order the letters constituting (a word or part of a word)." Note that is says PART of a word. So I have correctly spelled Epidemiologist by simply spelling it with an 'E'. At 05:32 PM 12/19/2000 -0500, you wrote: >"Feyd " writes: > >> Doc, >> Your decision below is incorrect. I invoke point of order. >> >> Reasoning: >> If abbreviations are allowed, paragraph 4 has no meaning. "E." is >> not an accepted abbreviation for "Epidemiologist" in any medical >> text. The *clear* intent of the rule is to prevent such callous >> twisting of the bitter Epidemiologist's name. >> >> If you overrule this Point, then ANY charge of misspelling can be >> answered with, "Oh, I didn't misspell Epidemiologist, that's just an >> abbreviation." >> >> Feyd > >Ottis, or anyone else: care to comment on this before I pass >judgement? > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 16:55:41 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 00:55:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 64708 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 00:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 00:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 00:55:40 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083D157@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:55:40 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA17041; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:55:39 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] POINT OF ORDER: Rule 18, Paragraph 4 References: <"Feyd "'s message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:11:10 -0000"> <91oite+8l7p@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001219181318.01410158@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 19:55:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:28:35 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 70 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Your decision below is incorrect. I invoke point of order. > > Reasoning: > If abbreviations are allowed, paragraph 4 has no meaning. "E." is > not an accepted abbreviation for "Epidemiologist" in any medical > text. Irrelevant. I never said it was accepted in medical texts. I merely said it was an abbreviation and not a misspelling. > The *clear* intent of the rule is to prevent such callous > twisting of the bitter Epidemiologist's name. Intent also is irrelevant. The rule deals with misspellings, not with abbreviations. > If you overrule this Point, then ANY charge of misspelling can be > answered with, "Oh, I didn't misspell Epidemiologist, that's just an > abbreviation." Exaggeration. No one is going to persuade me that "Epadimmeealogous" is an abbreviation for Epidemiologist. Ottis Airhart writes: > I would submit the following examples of where 'E' has been used to refer > specifically to Epidemiology. > > EDEN - European Dermato-Epidemiology Network > ENARE - European Network for Antibiotic Resistance and Epidemiology > EPO - Epidemiology Program Office > > These are all official abbreviations as found at: > http://www.geocities.com/~mlshams/acronym/acrE.htm Ha! Good job of research, though not particularly relevant either. Those are acronyms and cannot be arbitrarily cut up into their constituent letters. > I quote from http://www.dictionary.com that an abbreviation is: > "A shortened form of a word or phrase used chiefly in writing to represent > the complete form, such as Mass. for Massachusetts or USMC for United > States Marine Corps." OK. > Also, the definition of "spell" according to the same source is: > "To name or write in order the letters constituting (a word or part of a > word)." > > Note that is says PART of a word. So I have correctly spelled > Epidemiologist by simply spelling it with an 'E'. Oh dear. Surely you must understand that when you "write in order the letters constituting part of a word", you have spelled, but you've spelled part of a word, not a whole word. If you could spell "Epidemiologist" as "E", spelling bees would be a whole lot less traumatic than they are. Doc's judgement: The speciousness of that last point doesn't alter the fact that "E." as used here was a legitimate and understandable abbreviation for Epidemiologist, not a misspelling thereof. Rule 18, Paragraph 4 does not deal with abbreviations (or with circumlocutions such as "NASTY MAN".) The attempt to inflict Agoraphobia on Ottis is invalid. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 17:16:20 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 01:16:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12085 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 01:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 01:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 01:16:19 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001220011921.ZPMU382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:19:21 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219191721.03063c98@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:17:30 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] POINT OF ORDER: Rule 18, Paragraph 4 In-Reply-To: References: <"Feyd "'s message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:11:10 -0000"> <91oite+8l7p@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001219181318.01410158@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Thank you, Doc. At 07:55 PM 12/19/2000 -0500, you wrote: >"Feyd " writes: > >> Your decision below is incorrect. I invoke point of order. >> >> Reasoning: >> If abbreviations are allowed, paragraph 4 has no meaning. "E." is >> not an accepted abbreviation for "Epidemiologist" in any medical >> text. > >Irrelevant. I never said it was accepted in medical texts. I merely >said it was an abbreviation and not a misspelling. > >> The *clear* intent of the rule is to prevent such callous >> twisting of the bitter Epidemiologist's name. > >Intent also is irrelevant. The rule deals with misspellings, not with >abbreviations. > >> If you overrule this Point, then ANY charge of misspelling can be >> answered with, "Oh, I didn't misspell Epidemiologist, that's just an >> abbreviation." > >Exaggeration. No one is going to persuade me that "Epadimmeealogous" >is an abbreviation for Epidemiologist. > >Ottis Airhart writes: > >> I would submit the following examples of where 'E' has been used to refer >> specifically to Epidemiology. >> >> EDEN - European Dermato-Epidemiology Network >> ENARE - European Network for Antibiotic Resistance and Epidemiology >> EPO - Epidemiology Program Office >> >> These are all official abbreviations as found at: >> http://www.geocities.com/~mlshams/acronym/acrE.htm > >Ha! Good job of research, though not particularly relevant either. >Those are acronyms and cannot be arbitrarily cut up into their >constituent letters. > >> I quote from http://www.dictionary.com that an abbreviation is: >> "A shortened form of a word or phrase used chiefly in writing to represent >> the complete form, such as Mass. for Massachusetts or USMC for United >> States Marine Corps." > >OK. > >> Also, the definition of "spell" according to the same source is: >> "To name or write in order the letters constituting (a word or part of a >> word)." >> >> Note that is says PART of a word. So I have correctly spelled >> Epidemiologist by simply spelling it with an 'E'. > >Oh dear. Surely you must understand that when you "write in order the >letters constituting part of a word", you have spelled, but you've >spelled part of a word, not a whole word. If you could spell >"Epidemiologist" as "E", spelling bees would be a whole lot less >traumatic than they are. > >Doc's judgement: The speciousness of that last point doesn't alter the >fact that "E." as used here was a legitimate and understandable >abbreviation for Epidemiologist, not a misspelling thereof. Rule 18, >Paragraph 4 does not deal with abbreviations (or with circumlocutions >such as "NASTY MAN".) The attempt to inflict Agoraphobia on Ottis is >invalid. > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 17:19:46 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 01:19:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 15641 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 01:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 01:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 01:19:46 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001220012247.ZQFG382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:22:47 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219191814.013c7ca0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:20:59 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd is NOT a nasty man In-Reply-To: <91oj2i+8k95@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20001219143846.02e8fed8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart In light of recent discussions and rulings by the Doc, our wonderful Epidemiologist, a.k.a. Feyd, is not a Nasty Man as before thought. E (heh heh, him or her) is truly a saint in eir field (and very bitter as the rule indicates). E (heh) is merely misunderstood as all truly great scientists are. At 09:13 PM 12/19/2000 +0000, you wrote: >--- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: >>AH, you are a NASTY MAN. I was not mis-spelling it, I was >abbreviating it >>to avoid mis-spelling it. How can you mis-spell something you >haven't even >>spelled. I will from now on refer to your position as the NASTY MAN. > > >Am NOT! I've already offered to help heal someone. And, um, and.... >Hell, you are right. > > >ROTFL. Less than 20 rules and I'm already a bad person! >Feyd > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 18:45:08 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 02:45:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 77506 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 02:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 02:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 03:46:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.95] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 02:45:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:44:46 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Thanks Otis. I appreciate that. Thanks for the clarification doc. Message-ID: <91p6eu+m0tu@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001219191814.013c7ca0@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 172 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: "Feyd " I love this game!! And this particular rulest ;-) In recompence for Doctorial analysis I hereby gift Otis with 50 cash. As E. I of course am still bitter. :-). Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 19:08:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 03:08:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 33496 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 03:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 03:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 03:08:12 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083D73F@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:08:11 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA29689; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:08:10 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Thanks Otis. I appreciate that. Thanks for the clarification doc. References: <91p6eu+m0tu@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 22:08:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:44:46 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > I love this game!! And this particular rulest ;-) > In recompence for Doctorial analysis I hereby gift Otis with 50 > cash. Hmm, is that legal? The rules don't provide for cash gifts between players. On the other hand they don't prohibit it. On the other other hand they don't prohibit counterfeiting 100,000 cash either. Still, why not? OK. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 19:11:08 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 03:11:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 73144 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 03:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 03:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 03:11:07 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083D74A@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:11:07 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA00133; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:11:06 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Question about the Psychiatrist proposal -- suggested limits References: <91ok1s+qikh@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 22:11:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu's message of "19 Dec 2000 17:01:18 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Guess I should wait and see if Ottis accepts the gift before recording it, though. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 19:14:45 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 03:14:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 50905 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 03:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 03:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 03:14:43 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001220031744.LEB382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:17:44 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219211547.02f109f0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:15:55 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Question about the Psychiatrist proposal -- suggested limits In-Reply-To: References: <91ok1s+qikh@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I accept, thank you. At 10:11 PM 12/19/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Guess I should wait and see if Ottis accepts the gift before recording >it, though. > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Dec 20 02:11:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 10:11:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 49853 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 10:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 10:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 11:13:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.105] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 10:11:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:11:53 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Thanks Otis. I appreciate that. Thanks for the clarification doc. Message-ID: <91q0l9+8a0k@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 694 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > I love this game!! And this particular rulest ;-) > > In recompence for Doctorial analysis I hereby gift Otis with 50 > > cash. > > Hmm, is that legal? The rules don't provide for cash gifts between > players. On the other hand they don't prohibit it. On the other > other hand they don't prohibit counterfeiting 100,000 cash either. > Still, why not? OK. I don't think it's allowed, actually. Rule 1 says that "The Ruleset and Gamestate may not be altered except as specified in the Rules.", and Player's Cash Points are clearly defined as being part of the gamestate. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "In the days when you were hopelessly poor, I just liked you more." From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Dec 20 02:27:18 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 10:27:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 77807 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 10:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 10:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk.egroups.com) (10.1.1.30) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 10:27:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.1.38] by mk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 10:27:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:26:57 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: POINT OF ORDER: Rule 18, Paragraph 4 Message-ID: <91q1hh+10rqh@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 655 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Ottis, or anyone else: care to comment on this before I pass > judgement? The abbreviation seems perfectly reasonable in context - Jeffrey mentions the "Epidemiologist", Ottis refers to the "E." in his immediate response. It doesn't matter whether "E." is an acceptable medical abbreviation or not; it doesn't even matter whether "E." makes any sense or not. It's no more a mis-spelling than saying "him" or "that person" or "NASTY MAN". You can't mis-spell something you weren't trying to spell. I applaud the attempt, all the same. K. -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I am playing the right notes - but not necessarily in the right order." From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Dec 20 02:44:58 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 10:44:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 90348 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 10:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 10:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 10:44:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.124] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 10:44:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:44:49 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Question about the Psychiatrist proposal -- suggested limits Message-ID: <91q2j1+cbqt@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91ok1s+qikh@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3210 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Can he heal those who do not wish to be healed (perhaps > in order to remove one of his own phychosis)? No, he can only honour requests for healing. If nobody asks, he can't do anything. > Can he charge pills or fees for his services? He could if there were any way for Players to exchange pills and cash, I suppose (in the same way the Epidemiologist could request payment for cures, or threaten to infect people who don't pay him protection money). Might be interesting for something like that to be unregulated. > Can he heal several people in one week? Nothing to say he can't, so - yes. > If so, then that seems a bit overbalancing....the phychiatrist can > remove all Phychosis from all players except himself, and as long as > another player has that disease, the phychiatrist can heal himself > too. It relies on Players asking the Psychiatrist to cure them, though. If people don't want the Psychiatrist to be able to cure his own Claustrophobia, then Players with that Disease shouldn't consult with him. And I don't see anything *that* powerful in being able to cure people who want to be cured. > This basically allows one player to completely remove an entire > class of disease from the gamestate. Provided that all of its sufferers asked to be cured. And provided it's a Psychosis (most of which creep back quite easily anyway). Why is this a "powerful" thing? > I would like to see stronger limits on this proposal. I would > support two different approaches: > ONE WAY: > Limited number of times per week the Phychiatrist can do his stuff. I can't see his ability being used *that* much, really, with any cure relying on both a Player asking for it and the Psychiatrist granting it. > There is a random change of success (say 50%). > There is a random change of self-healing in the phychiatrist (say > 25%). Maybe, although I don't really like the idea of individual Players making random decisions, since it's hard to regulate the results. (We could use an automated dice-rolling email thing, but I'd rather it didn't come to that.) > Since he is doing a good deed he also gets 2 soul points just for the > attempt. Hm, maybe a good incentive to use his powers. > The player being treated must pay the bank 100 cash for the visit. Perhaps. Feel free to propose it. (Assuming Psychiatry passes at all.) > ANOTHER TACK: > Being around a sick person like that means the phyciatrist has a 50% > chance of CONTRACTING the disease he is healing. This would make it > more likely that fees will be charged, but then the psyche is taking > a risk, so that's ok. Mm, on a personal note I'd rather have simple game elements that could interact in interesting ways, rather than large and complicated ones. A generic "anyone treating a patient has a 10% chance of contracting a contagious disease from them" rule might be interesting, but bolting stuff directly onto individual offices seems a bit unwieldy. Incidentally, it's a good job there's no punishment for spelling "Psychiatrist" wrongly, isn't it? Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Mind you, that's just a pat diagnosis made without first obtaining your full medical history." From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Dec 20 06:27:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 14:27:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 30823 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 14:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 14:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 14:27:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.25] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 14:27:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:27:51 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Question about the Psychiatrist proposal -- suggested limits Message-ID: <91qfl7+ekk2@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91q2j1+cbqt@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 717 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > He could if there were any way for Players to exchange pills and > cash, I suppose (in the same way the Epidemiologist could request > payment for cures, or threaten to infect people who don't pay him > protection money). Might be interesting for something like that to be > unregulated. I agree with this. I think mandating payment to another player is unnecessary. Market forces should work just fine in this context to regulate prices (or protection money, for that matter). > Incidentally, it's a good job there's no punishment for spelling > "Psychiatrist" wrongly, isn't it? I'm glad you caught that. Was wondering if anyone would ROTFL. Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 12:11:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 20:11:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 82992 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 20:11:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 20:11:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 20:11:18 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840CDF@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:11:18 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA29124; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:11:17 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Thanks Otis. I appreciate that. Thanks for the clarification doc. References: <91q0l9+8a0k@eGroups.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:11:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:11:53 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > I don't think it's allowed, actually. Rule 1 says that "The Ruleset > and Gamestate may not be altered except as specified in the Rules.", > and Player's Cash Points are clearly defined as being part of the > gamestate. Aha... good point. Sorry, Ottis. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 12:48:33 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 20:48:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 55293 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 20:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 20:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 21:49:38 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840ECE@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:48:33 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA04333; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:48:31 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals: Chronicity / Fear / Cough / Bloaty / Death / Shrink References: <91nrt4+4ab2@eGroups.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:48:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:38:28 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 132 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Proposal - Nothing Chronic > > Remove the Chronic-mentioning sentence from the definition of "Fear > of Rejection". > > Remove the "Prescription" and "Chronic" paragraphs from Rule 14 > (Cures). > > { It seems a bit slapdash and generic; I'd rather see certain > specific diseases leading to others (and some diseases being > trivial or even beneficial) than sweeping Pill-quadrupling and > Proposal denial for every single one. } ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. > Proposal - Fear Itself > > Add "Whenever a Player with Fear of Rejection submits a Proposal, > they lose 5 Soul Points." to the definition of that Disease. ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. > Proposal - Nasty Cough You've Got There > > Create a new Disease:- > > Nasty Cough (Airborne) > A Player with this Disease should include the string "*cough*" at > least four times in each Proposal message he or she submits, or > that Proposal shall be ignored. That Player loses 8 Body Points > for each Proposal he or she submits. > > During Office Hours, any Player with A Bit of a Cough has a 30% > chance of that Disease being replaced by Nasty Cough. If a Player > would catch Nasty Cough from another Player, they catch A Bit of > a Cough instead. > > Each Green Pill a Player takes has a 30% of curing them of this > Disease. ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. > Proposal - Bloaty Head > > { Hm, has anyone else played "Theme Hospital"? } > > To "Diseases", add the paragraph:- > > Some Diseases are operable by certain staff, for a given cost. > A Player may request such an operation from a relevant staff > member, if he or she can afford the operation; upon such a > request being acknowledged, the Player is cured of the Disease > and loses Cash equal to the cost. > > Create a new Disease:- > > Bloaty Head (Physical) > A Player with Bloaty Head suffers tremendous discomfort, and > loses 10 Body Points during Office Hours. Bloaty Head is cured > using a special machine, which can only be operated by Doc or > the Nurse. This operation costs 100 Cash, and is harrowing > enough to reduce the patient's Soul Points by 10. REJECTED. I'd like not to add diseases that can't be caught (yet). Kevan has Fear of Rejection. > Proposal - Death, Insanity, Rebirth > > Remove the "Death" section from Rule 14. Enact a new Rule, "Death > and Insanity":- > > If a Player has zero Body Points, he or she is considered Dead. If > a Player is Dead, they may take no game actions (other than > submitting Proposals) for the remainder of the current Round, and > their Body Points may not be increased. > > If a Player has zero Soul Points, he or she is considered Insane. > Insane Players may take no game actions, although Doc is free to > take game actions on their behalf, in what he feels is in keeping > with their insanity. > > When a new Round begins, any Dead Players are given twenty-five > Body Points (this overrides the earlier paragraph) and lose any > Diseases they might have had. REJECTED. I don't see why a dead player should be able to submit proposals, and I don't see why dead players should benefit at the end of round in ways insane and other players do not. > Proposal - In the Psychiatrist's Chair > > Enact a new Rule, "Psychiatrist":- > > The Psychiatrist deals with the diagnosis, treatment, and > prevention of mental and emotional disorders, and is able, > through counselling, to treat the Psychoses of other Players. > > At any given time, one Player may be a Psychiatrist (their > identity is part of the gamestate). Anyone wishing to be > treated by the Psychiatrist should make such a request on the > mailing list. The Psychiatrist may honour such requests by > announcing to the list that, after a tense and emotional > counselling session, any or all of the Psychoses suffered by > that Player have been lost. > > The Psychiatrist may not counsel themselves, but, through mutual > understanding and personal development, any Psychosis they cure > in another Player is automatically cured in themselves, if they > have it. > > If the Psychiatrist's Soul Points drop below thirty, Doc may > reassign the role elsewhere. > > Upon enactment of this Rule, Kevan becomes the Psychiatrist. > This paragraph then removes itself from the ruleset. ACCEPTED. This creates Rule 20. Agoraphobia check: 5 players eligible, 20% chance: 5 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.165008544921875 0.421661376953125 0.168365478515625 0.646270751953125 0.658905029296875 Feyd and Jim have Agoraphobia. Britta and Mark lose 5 soul points. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 12:50:37 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 20:50:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 20744 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 20:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 20:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 20:50:34 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840EE8@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:50:35 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA04755; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:50:33 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals: Chronicity / Fear / Cough / Bloaty / Death / Shrink References: <91nrt4+4ab2@eGroups.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:50:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:38:28 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Oh, and Kevan's Fear of Rejection is cured. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 12:52:15 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 20:52:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 32691 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 20:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 20:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 20:52:15 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840EFE@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:52:15 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA05170; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:52:13 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Step into the Light References: <91nsot+jja6@eGroups.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:52:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:53:17 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Create a new rule, "Step Into the Light" > > At the beginning of round 2, each player will have the following > actions taken to their scores: > > Body set to 100 > Soul set to 100 > All pill totals set to 0. > Add 1 red, 2 yellow, 3 green pills. > All Diseases are cured. > > After these actions are taken then: > > A random player is given "Bit of Cough" REJECTED. Given that there's no way to win Round 1 yet, it's WAY too early to be setting up Round 2. 5 soul points lost. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 12:53:18 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 20:53:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 83833 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 20:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 20:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 21:54:23 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840F0A@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:53:18 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA05211; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:53:16 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Diseases and Cures Amendment References: <91nsqh+1oin@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001219100456.02ee1488@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:53:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:08:37 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I propose the following amendment to rule #10. Diseases: > > Remove all listings of diseases and insert in their place the following text: > > All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at > . > > ========== > > I propose the following amendment to rule #14. Cures: > > Remove all listings of cures and insert in their place the following text: > > All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at > . REJECTED. Doc feels the proper place for diseases is in the ruleset. Ottis has Fear of Rejection. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 12:58:30 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 20:58:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 26472 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 20:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 20:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 20:58:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840F5A@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:58:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA05954; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:58:28 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Test References: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001219111714.02efddb0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:58:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:48:07 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I propose a new rule labeled: Blood Test > > Any officer or a player, at their discretion, may arrange for a blood test > to be performed on that player by sending a message to the mailing list. > The message subject must begin with "Blood Test:" followed by the player's > name. The blood test shall be to determine if a player has contracted a > disease. > > A player may only have one blood test for every two Office Hours since > otherwise, they might become too weak to play from lack of blood. Each > blood test removes 3 body points from the player. A player who asks for a > blood test shall lose an additional 2 body points. > > There is a X percent chance that the blood test shall show the infection of > a random disease where X is 100 minus the product of the body points > divided by two for that player ( X = 100 - (B.P. / 2 ) ). The > Epidemiologist may call for a blood test for a particular disease, which > increases the likelihood of infection by that disease by 25% (since e knows > what e is talking about). REJECTED. C'mon... a blood test showing infection of Agoraphobia? Why would a player call for a blood test on emself? Suppose a blood test says the player does NOT have "Bit of a Cough". Suppose the player *had* Bit of a Cough when the test was requested. Does that mean e's cured? -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 12:59:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 20:59:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 85606 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 20:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 20:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 20:59:05 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840F62@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:05 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA06031; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:04 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Test References: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001219111714.02efddb0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:59:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:48:07 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Oh yes. 5 soul point deduction. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 13:00:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 21:00:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 89328 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 21:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 21:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 21:00:11 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840F74@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:00:12 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA06223; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:00:10 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Test (amended) References: <4.1.20001219115421.01411a10@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 16:00:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:55:20 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I forgot one sentence below stating that the Nurse performs the Blood Test. > > I propose a new rule labeled: Blood Test > > Any officer or a player, at their discretion, may arrange for a blood test > to be performed on that player by sending a message to the mailing list. > The message subject must begin with "Blood Test:" followed by the player's > name. The blood test shall be to determine if a player has contracted a > disease and is performed by the Nurse. > > A player may only have one blood test for every two Office Hours since > otherwise, they might become too weak to play from lack of blood. Each > blood test removes 3 body points from the player. A player who asks for a > blood test shall lose an additional 2 body points. > > There is a X percent chance that the blood test shall show the infection of > a random disease where X is 100 minus the product of the body points > divided by two for that player ( X = 100 - (B.P. / 2 ) ). The > Epidemiologist may call for a blood test for a particular disease, which > increases the likelihood of infection by that disease by 25% (since e knows > what e is talking about). Oh dear. Since the rules don't provide for amendments to proposals, this has to be taken as a separate proposal -- also REJECTED. So that's 5 more soul points. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 13:03:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 21:03:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 15527 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 21:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 21:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 21:03:17 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840FA3@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:03:17 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA06721; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:03:16 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Bank References: <4.1.20001219114810.012e5e78@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 16:03:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:07:40 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 37 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I propose a new rule labeled Blood Bank: > > The Blood Bank stores blood collected from the players to be used for > medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and to increase one's health. The Blood > Bank is part of the gamestate and shall have it's status stored in a > database at . The Blood Bank is > maintained by the Nurse. > > All players are required to donate blood to the blood bank at least once > per four Office Hours. Failure to do so shall result in the decrement of > ten body points during Office Hours if that player has not donated blood > within the last four Office Hours. The players last date of donation shall > be part of the gamestate. A new player shall have a blood test immediately > upon recognition by the Doc. > > A player must have had a Blood Test within 7 days prior to donation > resulting in no new infection by that player. Only one pint of blood may be > donated for each Blood Test. As compensation for donation, a player shall > gain 100 cash points, gain 5 Soul points, and lose 3 Body points. > > If a player needs blood or wishes to buy blood, they may do so by notifying > the Nurse concerning how many pints they wish to buy. The purchase shall > decrement the player's cash points by 200, and increase their body points > by 5. This is in addition to any other costs that may be required for > medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and must be arranged before any medical > procedure requiring blood takes place. REJECTED. An interesting proposal but it requires Blood Tests -- and the Blood Test proposals were rejected. I also question the wisdom of requiring blood donations from players with communicable diseases. 5 soul points lost. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 13:05:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 21:05:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 22509 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 21:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 21:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 22:06:36 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001220210832.GCTL382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:08:32 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001220150211.0134ded8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:06:55 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Test In-Reply-To: References: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001219111714.02efddb0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I thought it was good. As the game progresses, it may be to a player's advantage to have a blood test performed. In the case of certain procedures being performed (blood donation, surgery, etc...) the player MUST request the blood test... so them requesting is not so bad. Also, the blood test would typically pick a random disease (using a random number generator) then a probability of infection by that disease. But be it as it may, I guess I'll just start suggesting things like: A player gains one cash point if a rule is accepted and loses 100 cash points if it is rejected. At 03:58 PM 12/20/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Ottis Airhart writes: > >> I propose a new rule labeled: Blood Test >> >> Any officer or a player, at their discretion, may arrange for a blood test >> to be performed on that player by sending a message to the mailing list. >> The message subject must begin with "Blood Test:" followed by the player's >> name. The blood test shall be to determine if a player has contracted a >> disease. >> >> A player may only have one blood test for every two Office Hours since >> otherwise, they might become too weak to play from lack of blood. Each >> blood test removes 3 body points from the player. A player who asks for a >> blood test shall lose an additional 2 body points. >> >> There is a X percent chance that the blood test shall show the infection of >> a random disease where X is 100 minus the product of the body points >> divided by two for that player ( X = 100 - (B.P. / 2 ) ). The >> Epidemiologist may call for a blood test for a particular disease, which >> increases the likelihood of infection by that disease by 25% (since e knows >> what e is talking about). > >REJECTED. C'mon... a blood test showing infection of Agoraphobia? > >Why would a player call for a blood test on emself? > >Suppose a blood test says the player does NOT have "Bit of a Cough". >Suppose the player *had* Bit of a Cough when the test was requested. >Does that mean e's cured? > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Dec 20 13:32:41 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 21:32:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 45107 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 21:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 21:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 21:31:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.118] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 21:31:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:31:43 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: POINT OF ORDER: Fear of Rejection and series of Proposals. Message-ID: <91r8fv+45hk@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1064 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " In the following sequence of Proposals revewed by Doc, the following progression should have occurred: At "Bloaty Head", Keven contracts "Fear of Rejection". (Noted by Doc) At "Death, Insanity, Rebirth", Keven loses 5 soul points. at "In the Psychiatrist's Chair" Keven Loses 5 soul Points, and "Fear of Rejection" is cured. You forgot to subject 10 soul points for 2 proposals submitted with "Fear of Rejection". Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > kevan@s... writes: > > Proposal - Nothing Chronic > ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. > > > Proposal - Fear Itself > ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. > > > Proposal - Nasty Cough You've Got There > ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. > > > Proposal - Bloaty Head > REJECTED. I'd like not to add diseases that can't be caught (yet). > Kevan has Fear of Rejection. > > > Proposal - Death, Insanity, Rebirth > REJECTED. I don't see why a dead player should be able to submit > > Proposal - In the Psychiatrist's Chair > ACCEPTED. This creates Rule 20. Agoraphobia check: 5 players > - Doc From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Wed Dec 20 13:32:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 21:32:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 4801 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 21:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 21:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net) (198.5.241.86) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 22:32:57 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjula18645 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:31:34 GMT Subject: Point of Order: Kevan's Soul Points To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:31:49 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/20/2000 03:37:41 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Kevan loses 10 soul points for submitting two proposals while having "Fear of Rejection". He caught fear of rejection with "Bloaty Head". He loses 5 soul points for submitting "Death, Insanity, Rebirth". He loses 5 soul points for submitting "In the Psychiatrists's Chair". - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Doc wrote: > Proposal - Bloaty Head REJECTED. I'd like not to add diseases that can't be caught (yet). Kevan has Fear of Rejection. > Proposal - Death, Insanity, Rebirth REJECTED. I don't see why a dead player should be able to submit proposals, and I don't see why dead players should benefit at the end of round in ways insane and other players do not. > Proposal - In the Psychiatrist's Chair ACCEPTED. This creates Rule 20. Agoraphobia check: 5 players eligible, 20% chance. From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Dec 20 13:56:24 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 21:56:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 65655 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 21:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 21:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c3.egroups.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 21:56:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.4.69] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 21:56:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:56:19 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposals: Chronicity / Fear / Cough / Bloaty / Death / Shrink Message-ID: <91r9u3+jdqn@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1577 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.188.144.14 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > Bloaty Head (Physical) > > REJECTED. I'd like not to add diseases that can't be caught (yet). Oops. Must have misplaced that bit during some cut-and-paste. (Although our resident NASTY MAN - a phrase, incidentally, which caused great amusement this morning; kudos, there - would be able to bloat our heads if he felt the need, of course.) Oh well. > > Proposal - Death, Insanity, Rebirth > > REJECTED. I don't see why a dead player should be able to submit > proposals, Well, it seems a shame to completely remove a Player's influence on the game. Quietly submitting ideas from the Other Side until the next Round began seemed better than thumb-twiddling or (indeed) losing interest in a game that you're reduced to commenting on. If anything it'd be interesting to see a bunch of Dead Players trying to speed the Round up. > and I don't see why dead players should benefit at the end > of round in ways insane and other players do not. Mm, they only get enough Body Points to take them fairly clear of a repeated death, and lose any Diseases that might have contributed to them dying in the first place. It seemed fair recompense for the severe disability of Death, which could drag on for a while. (Insane Players shouldn't find it too hard to get *some* Soul back, of course, and ill Players will likely sort themselves out in the time that our Dead friends were sitting around being Dead.) I was overstretching myself a bit in that Proposal, though. I'll give it a rethink. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Shut up and get on the cart." From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Dec 20 14:03:14 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 22:03:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 86529 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 22:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 22:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.47) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 23:04:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.36] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 22:03:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:03:09 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Proposal Framework Message-ID: <91raat+4ih4@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 917 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " Keven's last list-o-proposals is too confusing. I propose the following rule: "Proposal Framework" ----TEXT--------------- There may be only one proposal per message. If more then one proposal is made in a message, all proposals in the message are ignored. If the proposal is for a new rule, the subject line must include the text, "Proposal:" followed by the text name of the new rule. If the proposal is an amendment, the subject line must include the text "Proposal: Amendment to" follwed by the title of the rule to be amended. If these guidelines are not followed then the proposal is ignored. Minor variation in spacing and spelling will be accepted as long as the general format is followed. -----/TEXT------------- This may be a bit too tight, but it will make searching the archives for Proposals and/or amendments MUCH easier. Note to doc: I Lose 5 soul points for this proposal. Feyd From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Wed Dec 20 14:06:51 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 22:06:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 15690 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 22:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 22:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net) (198.5.241.86) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 22:06:50 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjulc00588 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:06:32 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Proposal Framework To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:06:46 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/20/2000 04:12:39 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM What about proposals that repeal rules? What about enacting, or amending multiple rules? What about proposals that both enact and amend rules? I like the idea of restricting proposals to one per message, but the naming scheme is extremely lacking. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Feyd wrote: Keven's last list-o-proposals is too confusing. I propose the following rule: "Proposal Framework" ----TEXT--------------- There may be only one proposal per message. If more then one proposal is made in a message, all proposals in the message are ignored. If the proposal is for a new rule, the subject line must include the text, "Proposal:" followed by the text name of the new rule. If the proposal is an amendment, the subject line must include the text "Proposal: Amendment to" follwed by the title of the rule to be amended. If these guidelines are not followed then the proposal is ignored. Minor variation in spacing and spelling will be accepted as long as the general format is followed. -----/TEXT------------- This may be a bit too tight, but it will make searching the archives for Proposals and/or amendments MUCH easier. Note to doc: I Lose 5 soul points for this proposal. Feyd To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Wed Dec 20 14:09:24 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 22:09:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 22747 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 22:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 22:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.122) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 23:10:28 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by sjc3sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjulc14778 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:09:22 GMT Subject: Proposal: Therapy Session To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:09:19 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/20/2000 04:15:12 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Enact a new rule called Therapy Session: During office hours, Doc will hold up to five (5) therapy sessions to help restore sanity to those that request it. Players may request a therapy session by sending such a request to the mailing list. Doc will schedule therapy sessions on a first requested / first served basis. During a therapy session, Doc will add five (5) soul points to the player, but will not be able to increase their soul points above one hundred (100). The player will pay Doc fifty (50) cash for the session. Players may attempt to schedule as many therapy sessions as they want for a particular office hours. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 14:34:38 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 22:34:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 81869 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 22:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 22:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 22:34:38 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0084172F@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:34:38 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA24296; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:34:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] POINT OF ORDER: Fear of Rejection and series of Proposals. References: <91r8fv+45hk@eGroups.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 17:34:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:31:43 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > In the following sequence of Proposals revewed by Doc, the following > progression should have occurred: > > At "Bloaty Head", Keven contracts "Fear of Rejection". > (Noted by Doc) > At "Death, Insanity, Rebirth", Keven loses 5 soul points. > at "In the Psychiatrist's Chair" Keven Loses 5 soul Points, and "Fear > of Rejection" is cured. > > You forgot to subject 10 soul points for 2 proposals submitted > with "Fear of Rejection". (Mr Weston submitted essentially the same POO). No! Kevan did *not* submit any proposals with "Fear of Rejection". At the time the proposals were submitted Kevan did not have "FoR". At the time the last two were *judged* he did, but the soul point deduction is only for proposals *submitted* with "FoR". HOWEVER... I then went and made Feyd's mistake with Ottis's proposals. I deducted 15 S.P.s incorrectly. Sorry Ottis! I'll fix. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 14:38:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 22:38:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 51313 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 22:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 22:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 22:38:30 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00841792@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:37:48 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA24542; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:37:47 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Test References: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001219111714.02efddb0@pop3.ispchannel.com> <4.1.20001220150211.0134ded8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 17:37:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:06:55 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I thought it was good. As the game progresses, it may be to a player's > advantage to have a blood test performed. In the case of certain procedures > being performed (blood donation, surgery, etc...) the player MUST request > the blood test... so them requesting is not so bad. OK... that makes sense. > Also, the blood test would typically pick a random disease (using a random > number generator) then a probability of infection by that disease. Yeah, I understand... but the random disease will sometimes be one that the player has, and in some of those cases the blood test will sometimes say e doesn't have it. Strikes me as somewhat inconsistent with the rules explicitly governing cures... -- - Doc From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Wed Dec 20 14:45:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 22:45:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 13715 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 22:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 22:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.122) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 22:45:16 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by sjc3sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjulf00388 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:45:16 GMT Subject: Proposal: Fear of Judgement, not Fear of Proposing To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:45:12 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/20/2000 04:51:06 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Amend rule 10 by striking this phrase from Fear of Rejection, "submits a Proposal" and replacing it with, "has one of their proposals judged". - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Dec 20 14:54:11 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 22:54:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 5075 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 22:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 22:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ef.egroups.com) (10.1.2.111) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 22:54:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.104] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 22:54:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:54:02 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Beat me to it Jeffrey Message-ID: <91rdaa+1ljj@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 314 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, JJWeston@T... wrote: > Amend rule 10 by striking this phrase from Fear of Rejection, "submits > a Proposal" and replacing it with, "has one of their proposals judged". > > - - - > Jeffrey J. Weston > jjweston@t... > PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc > - - - From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Wed Dec 20 15:16:16 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 23:16:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 3733 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 23:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 23:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net) (198.5.241.86) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 23:16:15 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjulh20610 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:15:57 GMT Subject: Proposal: Better Perks for the Masses To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:16:11 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/20/2000 05:22:05 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Amend rule 12 to read in full: Whenever a proposal passes, Doc gives the proposer one (1) pill of any color. If, in the opinion of Doc, the proposal makes the game more interesting, Doc gives the proposer one (1) additional pill of any color. If, in the opinion of Doc, the proposal is the most creative proposal passed to date, Doc gives the proposer three (3) additional pills of any color. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 19:34:15 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 03:34:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 95633 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 03:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 03:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 03:34:11 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221033713.JJXL382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:37:13 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001220213527.0134bde0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:35:38 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Better Perks for the Masses In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Seems like that is what is already happening. At 03:16 PM 12/20/2000 -0800, you wrote: > Amend rule 12 to read in full: > >Whenever a proposal passes, Doc gives the proposer one (1) pill of any >color. If, in the opinion of Doc, the proposal makes the game more >interesting, Doc gives the proposer one (1) additional pill of any color. >If, in the opinion of Doc, the proposal is the most creative proposal >passed to date, Doc gives the proposer three (3) additional pills of any >color. > >- - - >Jeffrey J. Weston >jjweston@thoughtworks.com >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc >- - - > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 20:22:16 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 04:22:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 20131 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 04:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 04:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 04:22:14 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221042516.JSJF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:25:16 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001220215215.013d9f08@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:23:39 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Blood Test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart (I have no fear of rejection) I propose the following: Blood Test A blood test may be performed on a player at the request of that player or any officer. The blood test costs 1 body point and 5 cash points if requested by the player and is free when requested by an officer. The blood test shall check for any communicable. The disease shall be randomly chosen from diseases not already inflicting the player. The chance of the discovery of a new infection is X percent where X is equal to 100 minus the dividend of the player's body points divided by 2 ( 100 - ( B.P. / 2 )). There must be two office hours events between each blood test for a particular player. The nurse performs all blood tests by request in an email sent to the mailing list with a subject: "Blood Test:" followed by the player's name. ===more=== The nurse shall generate all random numbers via email from: http://www.irony.com/mailroll.html which has a verifiable interface for unbiased random number generation. A number between 0 and 100 shall be generated. If the player has an 80 percent probability, then any number between 0 and 80 is a positive result, otherwise it is a negative result. Doc, feel free to include or exclude the last paragraph. It is the method the nurse should use to generate the random number (roll the dice) in this case. I'm working on a way to have the results emailed DIRECTLY to the mailing list, but the server has to be a member... so I'm working on that. Here is an example: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Random number test zracing1@hotmail.com requested that 3 rolls of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 73. Roll 2: 95. Roll 3: 5. Mail was sent to you at zracing1@hotmail.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkGBfLyfeleUG9SNAQH3XQH8DPrOAfQ8SqWuomwESh2411I1VYI0YJNZ rF3jBiCvUl2q8JM815/ab4DsyJOZficaJtRMcattBQ/ddJXPJfnLog== =D9ax -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ====== This can be pasted in a form on their website and it will tell you if it had been tampered with, etc. Pretty good. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 21:36:25 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 05:36:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 23249 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 05:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 05:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 05:36:05 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00842CA4@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 0:36:05 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA00280; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:36:04 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Office hours Date: 21 Dec 2000 00:36:04 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 49 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu PRESCRIPTIONS: All players are to receive 1 r / 2 b / 3 g. (Nurse, please dispense.) COMMUNICABLE DISEASES: Selecting first random player out of 8: 1 random ints 1 <= x <= 8: 7 Player #7 = Mark Nau, has no communicable diseases, so none transmitted. ADDICT: Kevan has the most pills and so is addict for the week. He loses 3 BP / 5 SP. MIGRAINES: No present Migraine sufferers. 150 messages have been posted since last Office Hours All players have 150% chance of contracting a Migraine. All players now have Migraine. NASTY COUGH: Jim has Bit of a Cough. 30% chance of changing to Nasty Cough. 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.25054931640625 Jim now has a Nasty Cough. CASH: All players get 100 cash. NURSE'S COMPENSATION: 2 SP, 5 BP, 3 green pills (Nurse to dispense pills) EPIDEMIOLOGIST'S COMPENSATION: 1 red pill, 1 yellow pill (Nurse, please dispense) -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:22:07 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:22:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 5405 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 06:22:06 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221062509.KKHG382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:25:09 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221001951.01376ca8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:23:34 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (a) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart All players have received their weekly subscription of 1 red, 2 blue, and 3 green pills. The Epidemiologist and Nurse have both been compensated according to the rules and Doc's request. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:30:28 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:30:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 37880 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 06:30:27 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221063330.KLFJ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:33:30 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221002335.0135db70@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:31:55 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Point Of Order: Perks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I bring to your attention the following matter concerning Perks, only to establish a clarification. First let me state the Nurse's defined duties. I quote from the beginning of Rule 16. "16. Nurse The name of the player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the gamestate. The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions. " To define prescriptions, let's look at rule 9: "9. Prescriptions During each Office Hours, all Players will receive a prescription of a certain number of Pills, of specified colours. The exact number and colours of Pills received must be defined by the rules. Unless specified elsewhere, all Players have a prescription of one Red Pill, two Blue Pills and three Green Pills. This rule defers to all other rules that specify a prescription amount. " It is obvious from these two rules that the Nurse is to administer the weekly hand out of pills. No problem. BUT... let's look at Rule 12: "12. Perks Whenever a Proposal passes, Doc may give its Proposer up to three Pills of any colours he feels appropriate." This rule does not mention that these pills are part of any type of prescription. In fact it states that Doc should hand out the pills, and I heartily agree. As Doc feels free to judge the proposals, it would be easiest for the Doc to adjust any perks associated with passages of proposals. The Nurse has already taken care of the past two "rounds" of proposal judgements and adjusted the pill counts according to the perks given by the Doc. In the future, the Doc needs to adjust pill counts for perks. The Nurse may miss or over-compensate a player in light of all the discussion that goes on concerning passages, rejections, etc... it would just be better for Doc to handle this as the rule states, when a proposal actually passes. Again: all pills are up to date as of this message. No further adjustment is necessary until future proposals are judged. Nurse Ottis From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:39:45 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:39:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 68074 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 06:39:45 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221064247.KMBZ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:42:47 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221003649.01390248@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:41:12 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order: Proposals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I do not recommend that we adjust previous events, but for future events, we need to be aware of the exact wording of the rules. I have a proposal immediately following this point of order to try and fix the problem. Rule 3 states: == Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one or more new proposed Rules, and/or a proposed amendment to one or more existing Rules, and/or a proposed repeal of one or more existing Rules. ... Doc will judge each Pending Proposal and accept, reject or ignore it. To ignore a Proposal, the condition by which it is ignored must be explicit elsewhere in the ruleset. Once a Proposal has been judged, it ceases to be Pending. == This means that if a single email (a Proposal) is sent, it can consist of many proposed rules, amendments, and/or repeals. This also means that the proposal, with possibly many proposed rules, etc., is to be judged IN WHOLE... not, as it has previously been done, by judging each individual addition or change within the email. See the next proposal for a possible fix. Ottis From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:41:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:41:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 70409 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 07:42:22 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221064419.KMHY382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:44:19 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221002229.013a7ee0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:42:45 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend Rule 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Rule 3 currently states: Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one or more new proposed Rules, and/or a proposed amendment to one or more existing Rules, and/or a proposed repeal of one or more existing Rules. I recommend the following amendment to Rule 3: Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one new proposed Rule, and/or a proposed amendment to one or more (if related) existing Rules, and/or a proposed repeal of one or more (if related) existing Rules. All new rules, amendments, and/or repeals contained within a single Proposal email sent to the mailing shall be judged in whole. === This should clear up our record keeping a bit and make the proposals easier to follow. A new rule shall be submitted in a single email by itself. I mentioned one or more for amendments or repeals because there are many cases where a new rule, amendment, or repeal depends on all the actions being taken, not just one action. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:47:44 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:47:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 53856 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 06:47:44 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221065046.KMWE382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:50:46 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221004819.0135cf00@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:49:11 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Pill Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Nurse, I wisth to take one green pill to try and cure my migrane. Ottis From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:52:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:52:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 90825 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 07:53:24 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221065521.KNKE382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:55:21 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221005239.0135cff0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:53:46 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report - 12/21/00 (b) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221004819.0135cf00@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart At 12:49 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Nurse, > >I wisth to take one green pill to try and cure my migrane. > >Ottis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- 1 Green pill taken to cure Ottis' migrane, 50% chance zracing1@hotmail.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 14. Mail was sent to you at zracing1@hotmail.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkGn17yfeleUG9SNAQEL7AH/cqT79XxKn0PkS/iYG3UVO+kUkVUUzuKo D+iirjYUoPpFKqdGuqO5DsJOpef6SgRGXzmusWwDj+qNKUWGQnMM2w== =w3SN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- (14) Failed to cure the migrane. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:53:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:53:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 80361 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 06:53:43 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221065645.KNNT382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:56:45 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221005358.05ed1e28@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:55:10 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Pill, please! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Nurse, I rrreeaaaallyy wishth to tanke one more green pill to twy and cyure my mwigrame. This is really starting to hoyurt!! Ottis From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:57:22 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:57:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 87190 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 07:58:27 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221070021.KNWD382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:00:21 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221005724.05ed1f18@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:58:46 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (c) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221005358.05ed1e28@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart At 12:55 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Nurse, > >I rrreeaaaallyy wishth to tanke one more green pill to twy and cyure my >mwigrame. This is really starting to hoyurt!! > >Ottis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- 1 Green pill taken to cure Ottis' migrane, 50% chance zracing1@hotmail.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 95. Mail was sent to you at zracing1@hotmail.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkGpLbyfeleUG9SNAQGw3AH/QxoYd9v0fy9gcgKs2OJVDwYnvdHq3Epo gur0NcJLe5GXCjs6LvOgnDMsr1ybzglRSSNakEm2OVawTScrNDW2jA== =8kHA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- (95) so you are cured. DOC, please make the appropriate changes to the gamestate for Ottis. He is cured of his migrane after taking 2 pills. From jjweston@pop.net Wed Dec 20 23:20:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 07:20:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 45617 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 07:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 07:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 07:20:18 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjumn23902 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:20:17 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001220230939.016795d0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:09:39 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Better Perks for the Masses In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001220213527.0134bde0@pop3.ispchannel.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston At 09:35 PM 12/20/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Seems like that is what is already happening. Not exactly... Doc currently "may" choose to award pills. Occasionally, Doc has awarded no pills for an accepted proposal. I would like to make getting at least one pill a requirement, with additional pills given out as Doc feels appropriate for the conditions I list. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From jjweston@pop.net Wed Dec 20 23:20:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 07:20:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 15007 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 07:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 07:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 07:20:19 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjumn23905 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:20:18 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001220231659.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:16:59 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order: Proposals In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221003649.01390248@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston At 12:41 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >I do not recommend that we adjust previous events, but for future events, >we need to be aware of the exact wording of the rules. I have a proposal >immediately following this point of order to try and fix the problem. > >Rule 3 states: [snip] Rule 3 also states that "Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored." This already implies that only one proposal is allowed per email. In reality all of the proposals in Kevan's one message should have been ignored, since they did not follow the naming convention of rule 3. I think I will also make a Point of Order along these lines... - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From jjweston@pop.net Wed Dec 20 23:20:20 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 07:20:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 29425 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 07:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 07:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 07:20:20 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjumn23910 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:20:19 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001220232005.01687e20@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:20:05 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Rule 3 In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221002229.013a7ee0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston At 12:42 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >I recommend the following amendment to Rule 3: > >Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. >A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one new >proposed Rule, and/or a proposed amendment to one or more (if related) >existing Rules, and/or a proposed repeal of one or more (if related) >existing Rules. All new rules, amendments, and/or repeals contained within >a single Proposal email sent to the mailing shall be judged in whole. This amendment adds restrictions to rule 3 that I don't think are really neccessary. I feel the rule already properly handles multiple proposals in one message, they should be ignored. A Point of Order should be able to clear the problem up without amending the rule. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From jjweston@pop.net Wed Dec 20 23:27:41 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 07:27:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 28300 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 07:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 07:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 08:28:46 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjumn01210 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:27:40 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001220232727.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:27:27 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order: Ignore Multiple Proposals in one Message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston According to the naming scheme presented in rule 3, we have the following sentence: "Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored." Clearly, one message with multiple proposals in it cannot meet this naming convention. Kevan submitted the following proposals that did not following this naming convention and yet they were not ignored: "Nothing Chronic", "Fear Itself", "Nasty Cough You've Got There", "Bloaty Head", "Death, Insanity, Rebirth", and "In the Psychiatrist's Chair". I argue that all of these proposals should have been ignored according to rule 3. BUT... It would be a real pain to go back and change events that have already happened. I propose with this Point of Order that in the future, multiple proposals in one email message are simply ignored. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From jjweston@pop.net Wed Dec 20 23:39:48 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 07:39:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 66497 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 07:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 07:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 07:39:47 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjumo14538 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:39:46 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001220233936.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:39:36 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (c) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221005724.05ed1f18@pop3.ispchannel.com> References: <4.1.20001221005358.05ed1e28@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston Hmm... I'm getting a bad signature from all three PGP signed messages you posted... Are you getting valid signatures from this service when they're mailed directly to you? I get this: *** PGP Signature Status: bad *** Signer: Irony Games (Invalid) *** Signed: 12/20/2000 10:54:37 PM *** Verified: 12/20/2000 11:37:12 PM At 12:58 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >1 Green pill taken to cure Ottis' migrane, 50% chance > >zracing1@hotmail.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. >Roll them bones ... your dice are >Roll 1: 95. > >Mail was sent to you at zracing1@hotmail.com. >(Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) > > > --- >Irony Games' public PGP key is available at >http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.3ia >Charset: noconv > >iQBVAwUBOkGpLbyfeleUG9SNAQGw3AH/QxoYd9v0fy9gcgKs2OJVDwYnvdHq3Epo >gur0NcJLe5GXCjs6LvOgnDMsr1ybzglRSSNakEm2OVawTScrNDW2jA== >=8kHA >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 01:39:10 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 09:39:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 34889 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 09:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 09:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 10:40:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.113] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 09:39:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:39:09 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Point of Order: Ignore Multiple Proposals in one Message Message-ID: <91sj3t+g6uh@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001220232727.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1651 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > According to the naming scheme presented in rule 3, we have=20 the following > sentence: "Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: > "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be=20 ignored." Which is actually a touch nonsensical, because Proposals don't *have*=20 subject lines. Emails have them, but Proposals don't. And even then,=20 there's no reason why you can't have a dozen Proposals with the same=20 "label". > Clearly, one message with multiple proposals in it cannot=20 meet this naming > convention. Indeed. Careless. I hadn't realised that the subject-binding Proposal=20 had passed. The peril of an Imperial Nomic where you get to read=20 Proposals before they're judged. Guilty as charged. > I argue that all of these proposals should have been ignored=20 according to > rule 3. BUT... It would be a real pain to go back and change events=20 that > have already happened. I propose with this Point of Order that in=20 the > future, multiple proposals in one email message are simply ignored. Mm. I suppose Doc could Proclaim that the passed Proposals are to be=20 enacted retroactively, along with consequent impact on the gamestate.=20 Not too painful. Irony time, though:- "Each Point of Order must have in its Subject line the text: "Point=20 of Order:" followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference=20 or it shall be ignored." I don't think you've given the "label" of a Proposal or Rule, have=20 you? But I suppose Doc can make Proclamations regardless, if he feels=20 like it, so it doesn't really make that much difference. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "It's clich=E9d to be cynical at Christmas." From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 02:55:42 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 10:55:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 87366 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 10:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 10:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 10:55:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.126] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 10:55:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:55:40 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: More drugs Message-ID: <91snjc+scfs@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221001951.01376ca8@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 128 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com And a Red one, actually, please. K. -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm a million different people from one day to the next." From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 02:59:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 43480 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 10:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 10:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 10:59:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.67] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 10:59:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:59:39 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: More drugs Message-ID: <91snqr+n9sb@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91snjc+scfs@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 343 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > And a Red one, actually, please. He carelessly says to his invisible friend. Tsk. Dragging it into context, he also notifies the Nurse that he wishes to take a Red Pill. And exchange six Green for three Red, while he's at it. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I need pills to help me sleep, and I need pills to wake me up as well." From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 06:07:23 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 14:07:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 20087 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 14:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 14:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 15:06:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.112] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 14:05:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:05:29 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Nurse's Report - 12/21/00 (b) Message-ID: <91t2n9+ii1v@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221005239.0135cff0@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 516 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > At 12:49 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: > >Nurse, > > > >I wisth to take one green pill to try and cure my migrane. > > > >Ottis > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > 1 Green pill taken to cure Ottis' migrane, 50% chance > zracing1@h... requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. > Roll them bones ... your dice are > Roll 1: 14. > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > (14) Failed to cure the migrane. Um, doesn't a 14 cure the migrane? Feyd From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 06:26:54 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 14:26:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 79314 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 14:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 14:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 14:23:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.110] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 14:23:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:23:12 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Nurse's Report - 12/21/00 (b) Message-ID: <91t3og+il0b@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91t2n9+ii1v@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 990 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Um, doesn't a 14 cure the migrane? It seems he was taking results greater than fifty to be successes. Admirable of him to stick to it despite not telling us how he was rolling, really, since it was his own Pill. Incidentally, should anyone show any interest in the automated Player- data thing I was working on, I was planning on having it print (as part of the log) percentage results for each individual Pill that was taken, so that we could just go to the Web page and click as appropriate, rather than having to ask Ottis to roll a die and update scores for us. I'm off work tomorrow and likely to find *some* quiet moments over the weekend; if anyone, most critically Doc and Ottis, would like me to bring the Player-data thing up to speed and propose the necessary amendments to the Ruleset, nod your heads. Mm, and if anyone's got any spare pills they could give me, that'd be lovely, by the way. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Anaesthesia makes it easier." From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 06:31:08 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 14:31:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 89378 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 14:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 14:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 14:26:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.93] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 14:25:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:25:45 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: POINT OF ORDER: ADDICT Violations Message-ID: <91t3t9+t5vv@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91snqr+n9sb@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1113 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > > And a Red one, actually, please. > > He carelessly says to his invisible friend. Tsk. Dragging it into > context, he also notifies the Nurse that he wishes to take a Red > Pill. And exchange six Green for three Red, while he's at it. > > Kevan As the addict, you can take pills, but you cannot swap more pills for fewer pills. "The Addict may not take any Action that reduces the number of pills in eir possession except to take a pill (or have the Nurse administer a pill to em). " Also, in email 197 he does not ask for pills. I think in 198 and 199 he does kinda ask for pills, so no problem there. Still, he should lose 1 soul point for 197. ". In addition, the Addict must take 1 red pill in order to make a Proposal. In any non-proposal message they send to the public newsgroup the addict must in some way ask for a pill. Failure to do so will cause the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued as an action for the next Office Hours. " Feyd From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 06:52:01 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 14:52:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 60128 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 14:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 14:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.91) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 15:44:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.33] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 14:42:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:42:28 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: POINT OF ORDER: ADDICT Violations Message-ID: <91t4sk+r53o@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91t3t9+t5vv@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 595 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com Hmm, I'm not really sure tat this should be a Point of Order, since there's no real point in Doc making a Proclamation to sort anything out. It would have been if the Nurse had actually swapped the Pills, but as it stands it's just me talking rubbish. > As the addict, you can take pills, but you cannot swap more pills for > fewer pills. Quite true. Tsk tsk. Mustn't waste the precious things. (I don't suppose someone could *give* me a few Red Pills, could they?) (What do you mean the Rules don't permit it?) Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Congratulations, hallucinations." From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 07:17:29 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 15:17:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 65034 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 15:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 15:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:07:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.106] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 15:05:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:05:56 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amend Rule 3 Message-ID: <91t68k+dmhq@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221002229.013a7ee0@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2121 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > I recommend the following amendment to Rule 3: > > Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. > A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one new > proposed Rule, and/or a proposed amendment to one or more (if related) > existing Rules, and/or a proposed repeal of one or more (if related) > existing Rules. All new rules, amendments, and/or repeals contained within > a single Proposal email sent to the mailing shall be judged in whole. Hm, what's wrong with proposing to enact two new Rules? Is there anything very terrible about repealing two unrelated Rules (whatever "unrelated" means)? Surely if someone crammed a dozen disparate rule changes into one huge Proposal, they'd just run the risk of Doc rejecting the whole thing because he didn't approve of a particular element. And even if it all got the thumbs-up, they'd only stand to gain a relatively tiny Pill reward. I think we should leave the option open. > This should clear up our record keeping a bit and make the proposals easier > to follow. I don't know how aware we are of this, but the eGroups archive has a rather nice search feature, making it extremely easy to find the origin of particular game aspects:- http://www.egroups.com/messagesearch/DocNomic?query=bloaty%20head Provided we stick to a consistent subject line and give some clue as to what Proposals an email contains, I don't think they'll be that difficult to follow. If anything, multiple Proposals seem a good idea; Migraines aside, would people really prefer a slew of a dozen little emails to a single larger one? (And, indeed, an avalanche of individual reply threads to a single discussion?) If you're sending similar-purpose messages several times in quick succession to the same target, combining them into a single email seems the obvious and useful thing to do, for both sender and reader, at least from my point of view. Hmm. (I'd really like some Pills if anyone's got any spare, incidentally.) Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Good quality stationery never comes to my house." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 07:54:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 15:54:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 39397 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 15:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 15:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 15:36:19 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221153922.MSBF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:39:22 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221093630.01398f28@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:37:46 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order: Ignore Multiple Proposals in one Message In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001220232727.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop. net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I disagree that all others proposals in an email should be ignored. They should just be judged together. If I want to remove small section of one rule, then make a new rule that might broaden that texts requirements, then it should all be done in one proposal (look at the Nurse proposal by me making the Nurse a seperate rule). At 11:27 PM 12/20/2000 -0800, you wrote: > According to the naming scheme presented in rule 3, we have the following >sentence: "Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: >"Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored." > > Clearly, one message with multiple proposals in it cannot meet this naming >convention. Kevan submitted the following proposals that did not following >this naming convention and yet they were not ignored: "Nothing Chronic", >"Fear Itself", "Nasty Cough You've Got There", "Bloaty Head", "Death, >Insanity, Rebirth", and "In the Psychiatrist's Chair". > > I argue that all of these proposals should have been ignored according to >rule 3. BUT... It would be a real pain to go back and change events that >have already happened. I propose with this Point of Order that in the >future, multiple proposals in one email message are simply ignored. > >- - - >Jeffrey J. Weston >jjweston@pop.net >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc >- - - > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 07:55:30 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 15:55:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 93562 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 15:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 15:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 15:36:51 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221153954.MSDN382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:39:54 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221093751.05f34cc0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:38:18 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (c) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001220233936.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop. net> References: <4.1.20001221005724.05ed1f18@pop3.ispchannel.com> <4.1.20001221005358.05ed1e28@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I concur. I don't know why. I tested it earlier with no problems. At 11:39 PM 12/20/2000 -0800, you wrote: > Hmm... I'm getting a bad signature from all three PGP signed messages you >posted... Are you getting valid signatures from this service when they're >mailed directly to you? > > I get this: >*** PGP Signature Status: bad >*** Signer: Irony Games (Invalid) >*** Signed: 12/20/2000 10:54:37 PM >*** Verified: 12/20/2000 11:37:12 PM > >At 12:58 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >> >>1 Green pill taken to cure Ottis' migrane, 50% chance >> >>zracing1@hotmail.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. >>Roll them bones ... your dice are >>Roll 1: 95. >> >>Mail was sent to you at zracing1@hotmail.com. >>(Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) >> >> >> --- >>Irony Games' public PGP key is available at >>http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html >> >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: 2.6.3ia >>Charset: noconv >> >>iQBVAwUBOkGpLbyfeleUG9SNAQGw3AH/QxoYd9v0fy9gcgKs2OJVDwYnvdHq3Epo >>gur0NcJLe5GXCjs6LvOgnDMsr1ybzglRSSNakEm2OVawTScrNDW2jA== >>=8kHA >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >- - - >Jeffrey J. Weston >jjweston@pop.net >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc >- - - > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 07:59:50 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 15:59:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 16787 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 15:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 15:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 15:42:39 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221154542.MSWG382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:45:42 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221094324.013cbec8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:44:04 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order: Diseases In-Reply-To: <91sj3t+g6uh@eGroups.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20001220232727.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ottis Airhart Kevan should have asked for a pill in this message. Lose one soul point, you addict, you. Doc shall remove it in the next Office Hours. At 09:39 AM 12/21/2000 +0000, you wrote: >> According to the naming scheme presented in rule 3, we have >the following >> sentence: "Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: >> "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be >ignored." > >Which is actually a touch nonsensical, because Proposals don't *have* >subject lines. Emails have them, but Proposals don't. And even then, >there's no reason why you can't have a dozen Proposals with the same >"label". > >> Clearly, one message with multiple proposals in it cannot >meet this naming >> convention. > >Indeed. Careless. I hadn't realised that the subject-binding Proposal >had passed. The peril of an Imperial Nomic where you get to read >Proposals before they're judged. Guilty as charged. > >> I argue that all of these proposals should have been ignored >according to >> rule 3. BUT... It would be a real pain to go back and change events >that >> have already happened. I propose with this Point of Order that in >the >> future, multiple proposals in one email message are simply ignored. > >Mm. I suppose Doc could Proclaim that the passed Proposals are to be >enacted retroactively, along with consequent impact on the gamestate. >Not too painful. > >Irony time, though:- > >"Each Point of Order must have in its Subject line the text: "Point >of Order:" followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference >or it shall be ignored." > >I don't think you've given the "label" of a Proposal or Rule, have >you? But I suppose Doc can make Proclamations regardless, if he feels >like it, so it doesn't really make that much difference. > >Kevan > >-- >http://uncertain.org/~kevan >"It's clichéd to be cynical at Christmas." > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 08:03:09 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:03:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 68035 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 15:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 15:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:48:08 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221155005.MTRQ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:50:05 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221094641.013c4f28@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:48:20 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (d) In-Reply-To: <91snqr+n9sb@eGroups.com> References: <91snjc+scfs@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I shall administer one red pill, but I'm sorry, dear Kevan, I can not give you less pills than you already own. There is nothing in the rules that state you can not try, but it doesn't give consequences if you do try... So, I'll just ignore that little incident. Kevan takes one red pill. At 10:59 AM 12/21/2000 +0000, you wrote: >> And a Red one, actually, please. > >He carelessly says to his invisible friend. Tsk. Dragging it into >context, he also notifies the Nurse that he wishes to take a Red >Pill. And exchange six Green for three Red, while he's at it. > >Kevan > >-- >http://uncertain.org/~kevan >"I need pills to help me sleep, >and I need pills to wake me up as well." > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 08:22:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:22:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 23569 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ck.egroups.com) (10.1.2.83) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:11:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.211] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:11:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:10:58 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Glam Rock Shoulder Message-ID: <91ta2i+k9b6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1095 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Glam Rock Shoulder { http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_149894.html } Create a new Disease in the "Diseases" Rule:- Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) During the first Office Hours of 2001, each Player has a 25% chance of contracting Glam Rock Shoulder, in the wake of the Hospital's New Year bash. This Disease causes its sufferer to lose 4 Body Points during every subsequent Office Hours, and can be operated on by Doc or the Nurse for 350 Cash. If no Players have Glam Rock Shoulder, and if the first Office Hours of 2001 have passed, this Disease shall be removed from the Ruleset. To "Diseases", add the paragraph:- Some Diseases are operable by certain staff, for a given cost. A Player may request such an operation from a relevant staff member, if he or she can afford the operation; upon such a request being publicly acknowledged, the Player is cured of the Disease and loses Cash equal to the cost. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 08:23:06 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:23:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 60852 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 17:12:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.64] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:11:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:11:33 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of order: I don't like this logic. Re: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (d) Message-ID: <91ta3l+vdad@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221094641.013c4f28@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1278 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " Should this be "Kevin TRIES to take one red pill, and fails." Rule 14 states that a player can only take a Pill of a certain color if e has one of that color. "Take a Pill: If a player takes a Pill of a certain color, eir number of pills of that color is reduced by one. A player can only take a Pill of a certain color if e has one of that color. " Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > I shall administer one red pill, but I'm sorry, dear Kevan, I can not give > you less pills than you already own. > > There is nothing in the rules that state you can not try, but it doesn't > give consequences if you do try... So, I'll just ignore that little incident. > > Kevan takes one red pill. > > > At 10:59 AM 12/21/2000 +0000, you wrote: > >> And a Red one, actually, please. > > > >He carelessly says to his invisible friend. Tsk. Dragging it into > >context, he also notifies the Nurse that he wishes to take a Red > >Pill. And exchange six Green for three Red, while he's at it. > > > >Kevan > > > >-- > >http://uncertain.org/~kevan > >"I need pills to help me sleep, > >and I need pills to wake me up as well." > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 08:25:29 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:25:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 76506 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:15:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.211] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:15:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:14:35 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (d) Message-ID: <91ta9b+abt0@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221094641.013c4f28@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 649 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > I shall administer one red pill, but I'm sorry, dear Kevan, I can not give > you less pills than you already own. Quite right. I'd quite forgotten my frenzy for the things. Pills. Must have more pills. (What happened to the ones I requested ingestion of through private email mere moments before, incidentally?) > There is nothing in the rules that state you can not try, but it doesn't > give consequences if you do try... So, I'll just ignore that little incident. Thankyou, Nurse. > Kevan takes one red pill. Yum. I think I'll take another one. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Cake is a bisturbile cranabolic amphetamoid." From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 08:27:10 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:27:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 5781 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:13:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.64] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:13:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:12:46 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Request to Nurse, take one green pill Message-ID: <91ta5u+oodb@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 08:28:35 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:28:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 92493 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:18:05 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221162107.MYTQ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:21:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221101903.0135fef0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:19:32 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Nurse's Report - 12/21/00 (b) In-Reply-To: <91t2n9+ii1v@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20001221005239.0135cff0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart At 02:05 PM 12/21/2000 +0000, you wrote: >--- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: >> At 12:49 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >> >Nurse, >> > >> >I wisth to take one green pill to try and cure my migrane. >> > >> >Ottis >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> 1 Green pill taken to cure Ottis' migrane, 50% chance >> zracing1@h... requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. >> Roll them bones ... your dice are >> Roll 1: 14. >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> (14) Failed to cure the migrane. > >Um, doesn't a 14 cure the migrane? >Feyd > Yes 14 does... I was just under such pain, I didn't realize it at the time. Thanks. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 08:31:18 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:31:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 61337 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:21:29 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221162431.MZIU382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:24:31 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221102027.01403128@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:22:56 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (e) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Jeff requested one green pill and Kevan requested 3 to be administered. All pill totals have been updated, and here are the results for the migrane treatment: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- 1 for Jeff, 3 for Kevan... 0-50 cures migrane zracing1@hotmail.com requested that 4 rolls of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 92. Roll 2: 11. Roll 3: 72. Roll 4: 4. Mail was sent to you at zracing1@hotmail.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkItALyfeleUG9SNAQGE4gH+JTUO/gwXFn1AvQ+wsRRG4Dd9sB3yGuEj 1JiNkVgmdzDAA98Qxcp9AhB9NZmJxOChmM4vsAXvkCVC7eewpvVbMg== =nH/3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Jeff was not cured with a 92. Kevan was cured on the first of his rolls with an 11. Doc, please make appropriate changes so that Kevan does not indicate a migrane. Nurse Ottis From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 08:32:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:32:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 28383 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.91) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:20:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.96] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:20:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:20:01 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend Rule 10 Message-ID: <91tajh+hl6h@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1089 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " In light of deseases taking affect in rather nasty ways, I offer the following amendments to rule 10. Amendment1: Change the definition of Migrane to Read: Migraine (Non-Contagious) During Office Hours:- All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and x/10 Soul Points. All other Players each have an 'x/10' per cent chance of contracting a Migraine. ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since the end of the previous Office Hours. Each Green Pill a Player takes has a 50% chance of curing them of this Disease. Amendment2: Add the following to the last paragraph defining Addiciton (note that [[]] below denote comment and are not part of the amendment). [[Failure to do so will cause the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued as an action for the next Office Hours.]] The first player per message thus helping the Addict fight his addiction is doing a good deed, and thus gains a soul point. Subsequent players are just nagging and get nothing. Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 08:36:54 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:36:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 48335 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:27:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.96] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:27:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:22:46 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Kevan...ya need pills, do ya? Message-ID: <91taom+c146@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 126 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " And you're the Psyche, eh? I herby give you 1 of my red pills and request that you counsel me about my Agoraphobia. Feyd From jjweston@pop.net Thu Dec 21 08:37:58 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:37:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 32951 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:29:48 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjunx24793 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:29:47 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001221082934.010d73f0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:29:34 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse! - One green pill please... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston My private request seems to have been ignored. Since this migraine is killing me, I *really* want to take one green pill to try to cure it. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 08:40:30 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:40:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 36923 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:30:54 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221163350.NAWD382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:33:50 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221102909.013fcf18@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:32:14 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (e) In-Reply-To: <91ta9b+abt0@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20001221094641.013c4f28@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Kevan has taken another red pill for making a proposal. All the other pills were adjusted as requested. Sorry I missed the private email until later. I auto-sort the nomic stuff. Suggestion to players... not a requirement by any means, BUT, if you want your pills to be administered timely, place "[DocNomic]" in your subject line (as if it came from the mailing list) and it will be seen more quickly. I'll be expanding my DocNomic filters, but in the mean time try that. Also, there is nothing that states Kevan must take his pill IN the proposal he is requesting... I think we should probably change that wording. Kevan DID take his pill right after the proposal which complies with the rules. Nurse Ottis At 04:14 PM 12/21/2000 +0000, you wrote: >> I shall administer one red pill, but I'm sorry, dear Kevan, I can >not give >> you less pills than you already own. > >Quite right. I'd quite forgotten my frenzy for the things. Pills. >Must have more pills. > >(What happened to the ones I requested ingestion of through private >email mere moments before, incidentally?) > >> There is nothing in the rules that state you can not try, but it >doesn't >> give consequences if you do try... So, I'll just ignore that little >incident. > >Thankyou, Nurse. > >> Kevan takes one red pill. > >Yum. I think I'll take another one. > >Kevan > >-- >http://uncertain.org/~kevan >"Cake is a bisturbile cranabolic amphetamoid." > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 08:41:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: Docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:41:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 6122 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 17:33:26 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221163518.NBAW382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:35:18 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221103254.01325e80@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:33:42 -0600 To: Docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Kevan is Kevan not Kevin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Sorry for the mis-typing earlier. People misspell my name all the time... I should have been more careful. From jjweston@pop.net Thu Dec 21 08:41:51 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:41:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 4401 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:33:23 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjuny01512 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:33:22 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001221083312.010d73f0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:33:12 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (e) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221102027.01403128@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston At 10:22 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Jeff requested one green pill and Kevan requested 3 to be administered. All >pill totals have been updated, and here are the results for the migrane >treatment: Whoops... I just sent a public message regarding this. Ah well. Since I wasn't cured, I guess I need to take another green pill anyways. Treat my public message as a seperate request. ;-) - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 08:47:59 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:47:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 71957 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:40:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.125] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:40:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:39:55 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Pills are good eatun Message-ID: <91tbor+oghv@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 995 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " I Propose a new rule: "Pills are good eatun". If this should instead be an amendment [[to rule 14]], please change this to an "Amendment" ---------------------- TEXT -------------------- In addition to any other effects that pills may have on players, they also affect Body and Health as follows: YELLOW Gain 2 soul, 2 body RED Gain 1 soul, 2 body BLUE Gain 1 soul, 1 body GREEN Gain 0 soul, 1 body PURPLE Gain 1 soul, -1 body Any time the a player takes a pill Doc, or his designatee (such as the Nurse) will updat the sould and body totals of the player. -------------------- TEXT ------------------------- Comments: I have made this deliberately arbitrary in order to make pill-popping more exciting. Currently players have no way of regaining soul or body (except for the Nurse and the E.). I had thought of making them all zero-sum pills (i.e +X soul, -X body), but that seemed a bit too extreme. This is just a little Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 08:50:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:50:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 80311 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cj.egroups.com) (10.1.2.82) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:42:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.125] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:42:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:41:52 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: DING: Kevan doesn't ask for a pill. Re: Proposal: Glam Rock Shoulder Message-ID: <91tbsg+q52l@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91ta2i+k9b6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1200 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Proposal - Glam Rock Shoulder > > { http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_149894.html } > > Create a new Disease in the "Diseases" Rule:- > > Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) > During the first Office Hours of 2001, each Player has a 25% > chance of contracting Glam Rock Shoulder, in the wake of the > Hospital's New Year bash. This Disease causes its sufferer to > lose 4 Body Points during every subsequent Office Hours, and > can be operated on by Doc or the Nurse for 350 Cash. > > If no Players have Glam Rock Shoulder, and if the first Office > Hours of 2001 have passed, this Disease shall be removed from > the Ruleset. > > To "Diseases", add the paragraph:- > > Some Diseases are operable by certain staff, for a given cost. > A Player may request such an operation from a relevant staff > member, if he or she can afford the operation; upon such a > request being publicly acknowledged, the Player is cured of > the Disease and loses Cash equal to the cost. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Thu Dec 21 10:07:14 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 18:07:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 368 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 17:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 17:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.106) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 19:00:22 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjuod02257 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:59:16 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] DING: Kevan doesn't ask for a pill. Re: Proposal: Glam Rock Shoulder To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:59:13 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/21/2000 12:05:07 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Nope... That was a proposal message. According to rule 10, its only non-proposal messages where Kevan needs to ask for pills. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Thu Dec 21 10:17:50 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 18:17:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 36432 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 18:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 18:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.122) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 19:12:09 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by sjc3sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjuoe02566 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:11:03 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Point of Order: Ignore Multiple Proposals in one Message To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:11:00 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/21/2000 12:16:55 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Doh! You are quite correct. In my haste to point out your naming mistakes, I made a naming mistake of my own. Ah well. If the Point of Order is ignored, I will issue another one with a correct name. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Kevan wrote: Irony time, though:- "Each Point of Order must have in its Subject line the text: "Point of Order:" followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference or it shall be ignored." I don't think you've given the "label" of a Proposal or Rule, have you? But I suppose Doc can make Proclamations regardless, if he feels like it, so it doesn't really make that much difference. From jjweston@pop.net Thu Dec 21 10:25:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: foobarius@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 18:25:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 24609 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 18:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 18:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.193) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 19:23:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:22:39 -0800 Received: from 171.68.131.101 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:22:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [171.68.131.101] To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Test message... Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:22:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2000 18:22:39.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFF78E90:01C06B7A] X-eGroups-From: "Jeff Weston" From: "Jeff Weston" Just testing a feature of eGroups that may permit us to have the dice rolling service mail the results directly to the mailing list. Please stand by... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From jjweston@pop.net Thu Dec 21 10:30:00 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 18:30:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 6208 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 18:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 18:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 19:29:18 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id LAA30250; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:28:11 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:28:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012211828.LAA30250@www.irony.com> To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Dice roll test for Jeff Weston X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Dice roll test for Jeff Weston DocNomic@egroups.com requested that 7 rolls of 4 6-sided dice be rolled. The lowest die for each roll won't be counted. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: [1], 2, 1, 3 = 6. Roll 2: 6, 4, [2], 4 = 14. Roll 3: [3], 6, 4, 6 = 16. Roll 4: 5, 6, 5, [1] = 16. Roll 5: 4, [1], 1, 2 = 7. Roll 6: 5, 6, [1], 4 = 15. Roll 7: [4], 5, 6, 5 = 16. Mail was sent to you at DocNomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkJLt7yfeleUG9SNAQEWLwH/WZ0tjF5YpmWURDPxhILDumsLKChf2a10 0BC+llMiGwZKZcr6NLJqMIGBHTheaRSFXHOZCtL33wl3NOprqZBd3Q== =Gf3i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Thu Dec 21 10:38:02 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 18:38:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 24495 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 18:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 18:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net) (198.5.241.86) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 19:37:48 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjuog06518 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:36:25 GMT Subject: Automatic Dice Rolling To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:33:51 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/21/2000 12:42:34 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Okay... I've added the dice rolling system's email address to my list of eGroups alternate email addresses. The end result of this is that we can now roll the dice automatically and have the results directly emailed to the list. The PGP signature can be verified properly when this approach is used. The only bad thing about it is that all the messages appear to come from Hmm.... - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 11:37:33 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 19:37:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 18678 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 19:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 19:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 20:38:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.66] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 19:37:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:37:22 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Request to Nurse, take one green pill Message-ID: <91tm5i+4bn5@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91ta5u+oodb@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 129 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " I think this got missed, as requests after this got handled. I would like to take a green pill in order to cure a migrane. Feyd From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 13:18:53 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 21:18:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 24323 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 21:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 21:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 21:18:52 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221212154.OVNY382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:21:54 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221151836.01371950@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:20:17 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (f) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001221083312.010d73f0@mail198193.popserver.pop. net> References: <4.1.20001221102027.01403128@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Jeff requested another green pill, so administered. The results are of his random 50% cure which results in a 27 which is a cure. Please so note it Doc. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jeff wants to cure his migrane - 0-50 is a cure zracing1@hotmail.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 27. Mail was sent to you at zracing1@hotmail.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkJzSbyfeleUG9SNAQEBGQH/UwOQlj0wzdkdUu+jSEfRkZQVU909u+bf TfNfQ2LOKp4RPHDI2ZYTbHjsMUT6/LUWBoKRP10th5SFhGnMoL4o4Q== =mGSA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 13:24:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 21:24:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 29492 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 21:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 21:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 21:24:12 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221212714.OWIM382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:27:14 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221152422.0132cb80@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:25:38 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Automatic Dice Rolling In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Ottis Airhart Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you check the X-Sender: heading it states: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com Maybe we need a player to assume the role of a pharmacist such that they much CHECK the dice being rolled (the pgp key). Thanks for setting that up, Jeff. At 10:33 AM 12/21/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Okay... > > I've added the dice rolling system's email address to my list of >eGroups alternate email addresses. The end result of this is that we can >now roll the dice automatically and have the results directly emailed to >the list. The PGP signature can be verified properly when this approach is >used. The only bad thing about it is that all the messages appear to come >from Hmm.... > >- - - >Jeffrey J. Weston >jjweston@thoughtworks.com >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc >- - - > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 13:26:46 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 21:26:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 28755 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 21:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 21:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 21:26:43 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221212945.OWTR382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:29:45 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221152637.013fda58@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:28:04 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Kevan...ya need pills, do ya? In-Reply-To: <91taom+c146@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Concerning this message, um, is it legal? I haven't had time to check the rules yet. If it is legal, please send a message to the Nurse asking em to move the pill (I know it was implied, but as the Nurse, I'd like to see a statement that says something like: "Nurse, please take care of this", just so I don't do something you didn't intend). At 04:22 PM 12/21/2000 +0000, you wrote: >And you're the Psyche, eh? > >I herby give you 1 of my red pills and request that you counsel me >about my Agoraphobia. > > >Feyd > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From jjweston@pop.net Thu Dec 21 13:29:16 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 21:29:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 52439 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 21:28:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 21:28:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 22:29:39 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id OAA43126; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:28:33 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:28:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012212128.OAA43126@www.irony.com> To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd takes a green pill, 0-50 migrane is cured X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Feyd takes a green pill, 0-50 migrane is cured docnomic@egroups.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 86. Mail was sent to you at docnomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkJ1/byfeleUG9SNAQF5RQIAhn+7ws3RaM/fhNWv3zH9W1NBNepAEk+p yjKTLVaZbSxb2TBLJWjsnAzf73q7pA8sYOJgXzt324fsN+4EB5yE8A== =+LeQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 13:30:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 21:30:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 56819 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 21:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 21:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 21:30:04 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221213306.OXHE382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:33:06 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221153015.01361510@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:31:30 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (g) In-Reply-To: <91tm5i+4bn5@eGroups.com> References: <91ta5u+oodb@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Feyd has been administered a green pill... but it was unsuccessful with an 86. He still has a migrane. At 07:37 PM 12/21/2000 +0000, you wrote: >I think this got missed, as requests after this got handled. >I would like to take a green pill in order to cure a migrane. > >Feyd > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 13:34:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 21:34:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 60228 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 21:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 21:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 22:35:10 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221213707.OXXF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:37:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221153451.013f1ee0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:35:31 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Feyd takes a green pill, 0-50 migrane is cured In-Reply-To: <200012212128.OAA43126@www.irony.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I still couldn't verify the PGP signature. I'm going to assume that any heading with before-mentioned X-Sender is a valid dice roll. At 02:28 PM 12/21/2000 -0700, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Feyd takes a green pill, 0-50 migrane is cured > >docnomic@egroups.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. >Roll them bones ... your dice are >Roll 1: 86. > >Mail was sent to you at docnomic@egroups.com. >(Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) > > > --- >Irony Games' public PGP key is available at >http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.3ia >Charset: noconv > >iQBVAwUBOkJ1/byfeleUG9SNAQF5RQIAhn+7ws3RaM/fhNWv3zH9W1NBNepAEk+p >yjKTLVaZbSxb2TBLJWjsnAzf73q7pA8sYOJgXzt324fsN+4EB5yE8A== >=+LeQ >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 21 14:32:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 22:32:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 88572 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 22:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 22:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 23:34:00 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00845BE6@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:32:55 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA27513; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:32:54 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point Of Order: Perks References: <4.1.20001221002335.0135db70@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 21 Dec 2000 17:32:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:31:55 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu OK, no problem. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 21 14:49:58 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 22:49:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 33539 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 22:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 22:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 23:51:03 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00845CCD@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:49:58 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA29243; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:49:57 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Nurse's Report - 12/21/00 (b) References: <91t3og+il0b@eGroups.com> Date: 21 Dec 2000 17:49:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:23:12 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > I'm off work tomorrow and likely to find *some* quiet moments over > the weekend; if anyone, most critically Doc and Ottis, would like me > to bring the Player-data thing up to speed and propose the necessary > amendments to the Ruleset, nod your heads. Nod, nod. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 21 14:55:25 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 22:55:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 96676 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 23:56:30 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00845CF0@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:55:25 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA29717; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:55:24 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order: Proposals References: <4.1.20001221003649.01390248@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 21 Dec 2000 17:55:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:41:12 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Rule 3 states: > == > Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. > A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one or > more new proposed Rules, and/or a proposed amendment to one or more > existing Rules, and/or a proposed repeal of one or more existing Rules. > ... > Doc will judge each Pending Proposal and accept, reject or ignore it. To > ignore a Proposal, the condition by which it is ignored must be explicit > elsewhere in the ruleset. Once a Proposal has been judged, it ceases to be > Pending. > == > This means that if a single email (a Proposal) is sent, it can consist of > many proposed rules, amendments, and/or repeals. This also means that the > proposal, with possibly many proposed rules, etc., is to be judged IN > WHOLE... not, as it has previously been done, by judging each individual > addition or change within the email. There is nothing explicit in Rule 3 that says all the suggested rule-changes in a given email must be considered a single proposal. A single proposal may contain numerous rule-changes, but no statement in the rules says that a proposal is an email message. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 21 14:59:01 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 22:59:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 59778 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 22:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 22:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 00:00:06 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00845D14@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:59:01 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA29961; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:59:00 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order: Ignore Multiple Proposals in one Message References: <3.0.6.32.20001220232727.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Date: 21 Dec 2000 17:58:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jeff Weston's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:27:27 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 40 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff Weston writes: > According to the naming scheme presented in rule 3, we have the following > sentence: "Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: > "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored." > > Clearly, one message with multiple proposals in it cannot meet this naming > convention. Kevan submitted the following proposals that did not following > this naming convention and yet they were not ignored: "Nothing Chronic", > "Fear Itself", "Nasty Cough You've Got There", "Bloaty Head", "Death, > Insanity, Rebirth", and "In the Psychiatrist's Chair". > > I argue that all of these proposals should have been ignored according to > rule 3. Kevan's message had the form "Proposals: label / label / label...", which fails to follow the form required in Rule 3 only in that there is an extraneous "s" on "Proposal". Note that Rule 3 does not say the label must *immediately* follow the text "Proposal:" (indeed, it usually doesn't, since a space is usually inserted between the two), so e.g. for the "Bloaty" proposal Rule 3 is satisfied by having the word "Bloaty" somewhere after "Proposal:". Admittedly the label within the message body for that proposal was "Bloaty head" not "Bloaty". But Rule 3 does not preclude the possibility of using one label in the subject line and a different label elsewhere. I find, then, that Kevan's message deviated from the Rule 3 requirement only in one trivial respect. By a strict reading of the rules the extra "s" means those proposals should have been ignored, but I believe it best to overlook such trivial infractions. To be clear: I find that the rules allow submission of (and separate judgements of) multiple proposals in a single email, provided the subject line contains the text "Proposal:" and (later in the subject line) labels for each of the proposals. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 21 15:04:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 23:04:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 26297 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 23:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 23:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 23:04:04 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00845D4E@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:04:05 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA00405; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:04:03 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Kevan...ya need pills, do ya? References: <91taom+c146@eGroups.com> Date: 21 Dec 2000 18:04:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:22:46 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > And you're the Psyche, eh? > > I herby give you 1 of my red pills and request that you counsel me > about my Agoraphobia. I don't believe the rules permit you to give Kevan, or anyone else, one of your pills. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 21 15:14:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 23:14:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 51794 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 23:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 23:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 23:14:43 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00845DB6@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:14:43 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA01619; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:14:42 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Automatic Dice Rolling References: Date: 21 Dec 2000 18:14:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:33:51 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM writes: > Okay... > > I've added the dice rolling system's email address to my list of > eGroups alternate email addresses. The end result of this is that we can > now roll the dice automatically and have the results directly emailed to > the list. The PGP signature can be verified properly when this approach is > used. The only bad thing about it is that all the messages appear to come > from Hmm.... Does anyone object if I just use my own random number program (actually a Perl script that just calls rand appropriately) instead for my stuff? It's faster and more convenient for me; it means you have to trust me, but hey, if I wanted to throw the game I have lots of other ways to do that! But if you feel it's important I use the dice server instead, I can do that. It'll just slow me down... -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 15:59:30 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 23:59:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 73112 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 23:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 23:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 01:00:32 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001222000229.PUFB382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:02:29 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221180013.05ecc528@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:00:53 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Automatic Dice Rolling In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Go right ahead. I just think that the players of the game should use the dice server when a random number is necessary to affirm fair play. At 06:14 PM 12/21/2000 -0500, you wrote: >JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM writes: > >> Okay... >> >> I've added the dice rolling system's email address to my list of >> eGroups alternate email addresses. The end result of this is that we can >> now roll the dice automatically and have the results directly emailed to >> the list. The PGP signature can be verified properly when this approach is >> used. The only bad thing about it is that all the messages appear to come >> from Hmm.... > >Does anyone object if I just use my own random number program >(actually a Perl script that just calls rand appropriately) instead >for my stuff? It's faster and more convenient for me; it means you >have to trust me, but hey, if I wanted to throw the game I have lots >of other ways to do that! > >But if you feel it's important I use the dice server instead, I can do >that. It'll just slow me down... > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Thu Dec 21 17:07:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 01:07:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 52363 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 01:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 01:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.106) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 01:07:09 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjupg23684 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:07:08 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Feyd takes a green pill, 0-50 migrane is cured To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:07:04 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/21/2000 07:13:00 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM I got a good signature off of the mailing. The key is still listed as "invalid". I'm not sure what's up with that... - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Ottis wrote: I still couldn't verify the PGP signature. I'm going to assume that any heading with before-mentioned X-Sender is a valid dice roll. From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 22 00:59:15 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 08:59:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 4613 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 08:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 08:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 10:00:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.111] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2000 08:59:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:59:04 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (e) Message-ID: <91v54o+upv4@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221102909.013fcf18@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 698 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.49.246.118 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Also, there is nothing that states Kevan must take his pill IN the proposal > he is requesting... I think we should probably change that wording. Kevan > DID take his pill right after the proposal which complies with the rules. Mm, I actually took one before, and another one after to set me up for another Proposal. Taking a Pill "in" the Proposal seemed impossible, since I'd have to wait for the Nurse to acknowledge it before it was actually "taken". That automated thingy seems more and more useful. (And I really want some more Pills.) Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Oh say I'm not the only one to fill with trepidation, walking across the forecourt of the fire station." From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 22 01:20:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 09:20:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 48671 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 09:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 09:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.46) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 09:20:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.109] by fj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2000 09:20:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:20:47 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Automatic Dice Rolling Message-ID: <91v6df+aaum@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 778 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.49.246.118 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Does anyone object if I just use my own random number program > (actually a Perl script that just calls rand appropriately) instead > for my stuff? It's faster and more convenient for me; it means you > have to trust me, but hey, if I wanted to throw the game I have lots > of other ways to do that! No objection at all. I kind of assumed you'd be doing such a thing anyway; public dice rolls seem rather irrelevant for someone who's not directly playing the game, and who has the power to make Proclamations of anything at any time. All power to you. > But if you feel it's important I use the dice server instead, I can do > that. It'll just slow me down... Quite. (Must... have... pills...) K. -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm the last roll in the the die." From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Dec 22 08:53:47 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 16:53:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 99480 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 16:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 16:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 17:54:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBMHn8J27848 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:49:11 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:49:08 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Heading out of town for a few weeks... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Greetings everyone! Today I leave on vacation for a couple of weeks. I will still have spotty internet access and will continue to play the game. For email that must be directly sent to me, please use this address: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com I will not have access to my other email addresses during the next couple of weeks. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 11:41:20 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 19:41:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 60835 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 19:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 19:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 20:42:19 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00848F86@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:40:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27256; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:40:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Proposal Framework References: <91raat+4ih4@eGroups.com> Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:40:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:03:09 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 52 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > I propose the following rule: "Proposal Framework" > ----TEXT--------------- > There may be only one proposal per message. If more then one > proposal is made in a message, all proposals in the message are > ignored. > > If the proposal is for a new rule, the subject line must include the > text, "Proposal:" followed by the text name of the new rule. > > If the proposal is an amendment, the subject line must include the > text "Proposal: Amendment to" follwed by the title of the rule to be > amended. > > If these guidelines are not followed then the proposal is ignored. > Minor variation in spacing and spelling will be accepted as long as > the general format is followed. > > -----/TEXT------------- ACCEPTED. 1 yellow pill (dispensed). Fear of Rejection cured. I came close to rejecting it because: - As noted, it's incomplete. It doesn't provide subject line formats for repeals, or for proposals that create, amend, and/or repeal more than one rule. (Given that the rules allow the latter, I think it makes considerably more sense to have proposal names be independent from rule names.) As of now, proposals to create or amend one rule now have subject line formatting requirements, but all other proposals do not. - This really should be an amendment to Rule 3, not a new Rule. Since Rule 21 is hereby created we have Agoraphobia check: Britta, Feyd, Mark, and Jim lose 5 SPs Jeff, Jon, Kevan, and Ottis have 21% chance of getting Agoraphobia: 4 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.4993896484375 0.881591796875 0.88116455078125 0.709197998046875 None of them do! Lucky. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 11:42:36 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 19:42:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 23003 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 19:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 19:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 19:42:35 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00848FC1@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:42:34 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27434; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:42:34 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Therapy Session References: Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:42:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:09:19 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM writes: > Enact a new rule called Therapy Session: > > During office hours, Doc will hold up to five (5) therapy sessions to > help restore sanity to those that request it. Players may request a therapy > session by sending such a request to the mailing list. Doc will schedule > therapy sessions on a first requested / first served basis. During a > therapy session, Doc will add five (5) soul points to the player, but will > not be able to increase their soul points above one hundred (100). The > player will pay Doc fifty (50) cash for the session. Players may attempt to > schedule as many therapy sessions as they want for a particular office > hours. ACCEPTED. Hmm, seems like Therapy is more in the Psychiatrist's line, but,hey, psychiatrists. 1 green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 11:44:59 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 19:44:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 69149 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 19:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 19:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 19:44:58 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00848FE3@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:44:58 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27784; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:44:57 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Therapy Session References: Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:44:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:09:19 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Oh, yeah. Agoraphobia check. Britta, Feyd, Jim, Mark lose 5 SPs. Jeff, Jon, Kevan, Ottis have 22% chance of getting Agoraphobia: 4 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.01678466796875 0.4376220703125 0.33245849609375 0.79022216796875 Jeff gets it. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 11:46:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 19:46:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 65325 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 19:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 19:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 19:46:34 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00849007@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:46:34 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA28050; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:46:33 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Therapy Session References: Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:46:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:09:19 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu ... and Jeff's FoR is cured. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 11:47:26 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 19:47:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 34773 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 19:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 19:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 19:47:26 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0084900B@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:47:25 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA28148; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:47:25 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Fear of Judgement, not Fear of Proposing References: Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:47:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:45:12 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM writes: > Amend rule 10 by striking this phrase from Fear of Rejection, "submits > a Proposal" and replacing it with, "has one of their proposals judged". ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 11:49:38 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 19:49:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 82727 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 19:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 19:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 19:49:37 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00849025@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:49:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA28531; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:49:36 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Better Perks for the Masses References: Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:49:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:16:11 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM writes: > Amend rule 12 to read in full: > > Whenever a proposal passes, Doc gives the proposer one (1) pill of any > color. If, in the opinion of Doc, the proposal makes the game more > interesting, Doc gives the proposer one (1) additional pill of any color. > If, in the opinion of Doc, the proposal is the most creative proposal > passed to date, Doc gives the proposer three (3) additional pills of any > color. APPROVED. 1 green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 11:58:40 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 19:58:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 3767 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 19:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 19:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 20:59:43 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008490A7@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:58:38 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29705; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:58:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Test References: <4.1.20001220215215.013d9f08@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:58:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:23:39 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 42 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > (I have no fear of rejection) It says here you do. Am I wrong? 5 SPs lost. > I propose the following: > Blood Test > A blood test may be performed on a player at the request of that player or > any officer. The blood test costs 1 body point and 5 cash points if > requested by the player and is free when requested by an officer. The blood > test shall check for any communicable. The disease shall be randomly chosen > from diseases not already inflicting the player. The chance of the > discovery of a new infection is X percent where X is equal to 100 minus > the dividend of the player's body points divided by 2 ( 100 - ( B.P. / 2 > )). There must be two office hours events between each blood test for a > particular player. The nurse performs all blood tests by request in an > email sent to the mailing list with a subject: "Blood Test:" followed by > the player's name. I assume it will not change the intended meaning to insert the word "disease" at the end of the 3rd sentence, and to add the words "at least" before "two" in the second to last sentences. And I assume this is proposed new rule. APPROVED. 1 green, 1 blue. Agoraphobia check: Britta, Feyd, Jeff, Jim, Mark lose 5 SPs. Jon, Kevan, Ottis have 23% chance of getting Agoraphobia: 3 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.5023193359375 0.279327392578125 0.252685546875 No one gets it. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 12:04:28 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 20:04:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 19330 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 20:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 20:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 20:04:28 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008490C8@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:04:27 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA00446; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:04:27 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Rule 3 References: <4.1.20001221002229.013a7ee0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 22 Dec 2000 15:04:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:42:45 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: (5 more SPs lost). > I recommend the following amendment to Rule 3: > > Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. > A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one new > proposed Rule, and/or a proposed amendment to one or more (if related) > existing Rules, and/or a proposed repeal of one or more (if related) > existing Rules. All new rules, amendments, and/or repeals contained within > a single Proposal email sent to the mailing shall be judged in whole. REJECTED. All this does is to prohibit a Proposal from proposing more than one new rule, or from amending or repealing more than one unrelated rule. But "related" is a subjective concept, and it's probably not hard to argue any two rules are somehow related. So the only real effect is to prohibit proposal of multiple rules (even related ones), and the benefit of that has not been persuasively argued. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 12:07:26 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 20:07:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 25424 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 20:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 20:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 20:07:25 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008490EB@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:07:25 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA00734; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:07:24 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Glam Rock Shoulder References: <91ta2i+k9b6@eGroups.com> Date: 22 Dec 2000 15:07:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:10:58 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - Glam Rock Shoulder > > { http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_149894.html } > > Create a new Disease in the "Diseases" Rule:- > > Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) > During the first Office Hours of 2001, each Player has a 25% > chance of contracting Glam Rock Shoulder, in the wake of the > Hospital's New Year bash. This Disease causes its sufferer to > lose 4 Body Points during every subsequent Office Hours, and > can be operated on by Doc or the Nurse for 350 Cash. > > If no Players have Glam Rock Shoulder, and if the first Office > Hours of 2001 have passed, this Disease shall be removed from > the Ruleset. > > To "Diseases", add the paragraph:- > > Some Diseases are operable by certain staff, for a given cost. > A Player may request such an operation from a relevant staff > member, if he or she can afford the operation; upon such a > request being publicly acknowledged, the Player is cured of > the Disease and loses Cash equal to the cost. > APPROVED. 1 green, 1 blue, 3 red. A true Addict's proposal! -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 12:35:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 20:35:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 4439 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 20:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 20:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 20:35:56 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00849237@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:35:56 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03280; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:35:55 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Rule 10 References: <91tajh+hl6h@eGroups.com> Date: 22 Dec 2000 15:35:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:20:01 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > In light of deseases taking affect in rather nasty ways, I offer the > following amendments to rule 10. > > Amendment1: Change the definition of Migrane to Read: > > Migraine (Non-Contagious) > During Office Hours:- > All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and x/10 Soul Points. > All other Players each have an 'x/10' per cent chance of contracting > a Migraine. > ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since the > end of the previous Office Hours. Each Green Pill a Player takes has > a 50% chance of curing them of this Disease. > > Amendment2: Add the following to the last paragraph defining > Addiciton (note that [[]] below denote comment and are not part of > the amendment). > > [[Failure to do so will cause the addict lose 1 soul point; this > failure to do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which > point the deduction will be queued as an action for the next Office > Hours.]] The first player per message thus helping the Addict fight > his addiction is doing a good deed, and thus gains a soul point. > Subsequent players are just nagging and get nothing. ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 12:42:35 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 20:42:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 18221 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 20:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.1