From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 06 11:10:11 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 6 Dec 2000 19:10:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 45187 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2000 19:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Dec 2000 19:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Dec 2000 19:10:07 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.007F5668@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:10:08 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA24537; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:10:06 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: P1, P2 Date: 06 Dec 2000 14:10:06 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Proposal P1 was accepted. Proposal P2 was rejected for technical faults. Re-submission will be welcome. Gamestate updated. You guys all have zero pills. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 06 11:19:38 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 6 Dec 2000 19:19:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 76727 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2000 19:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Dec 2000 19:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Dec 2000 20:20:43 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.007F5776@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:19:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA26997; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:19:35 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Oh, duh Date: 06 Dec 2000 14:19:35 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 6 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sorry, I'm still getting used to this... Cancel the Directive. I can do it myself with a Proclamation. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 06 11:41:33 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 6 Dec 2000 19:41:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 48903 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2000 19:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Dec 2000 19:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Dec 2000 19:41:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.007F59CE@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:41:25 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA02408; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:41:24 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proclamation X1: eGroups Mailing List Date: 06 Dec 2000 14:41:24 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Rule 1 is amended by the addition of the following paragraph: ===== Doc maintains the DocNomic Web Site at <http://web.syr.edu/~rsholmes/games/nomic/docnomic/index.html> and the DocNomic Mailing List at <http://www.egroups.com/group/DocNomic>. ===== The first sentence of Rule 3 is amended to read as follows: ===== Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. ===== The first sentence of Rule 5 is amended to read as follows: ===== Any player may, at any time, submit a Point of Order to raise any issue relevant to the Game by sending it to the DocNomic Mailing List. ===== -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 07 02:35:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 10:35:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 37846 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 10:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 10:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ck.egroups.com) (10.1.2.83) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 11:36:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.59] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2000 10:35:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:35:09 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - Fresh Diseases / Taking it as Read Message-ID: <90np4t+nqud@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1404 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: "Kevan " ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Fresh Diseases Enact a new Rule, "Diseases":- A number of Diseases exist, as detailed in this Rule. Each Player may suffer from any number of Diseases; the Disease status of each Player shall be part of the Gamestate. Some Diseases are communicable. At a moment of his choosing every Thursday, Doc shall pick two random Players. Any Airborne Disease borne by the first shall be contracted by the second. Bit of a Cough (Airborne) A Player with this Disease should include the string "*cough*" at least twice in each Proposal message he or she submits, or that Proposal shall be ignored. Upon enactment of this Rule, a random Player shall contract "Bit of a Cough", and this paragraph shall delete itself. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Taking it as Read Remove from the Ruleset any sentences containing the phrase "is part of the gamestate" or "are part of the gamestate". In Rule 0, replace "Certain information reflecting the state of the game is known as the Gamestate." with "Any data required to be stored by a Rule is part of the Gamestate." Remove "; the Disease status of each Player shall be part of the Gamestate" from the Rule "Diseases", if it exists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 07 07:55:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 15:55:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 62962 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 15:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 15:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 16:56:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.51] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2000 15:55:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:55:50 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal - Body and Soul Message-ID: <90obu6+hvhs@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 705 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Body and Soul Enact a new Rule, "Body and Soul":- Each Player has a number of Body Points and Soul Points, adjusted by various events in the game. These Points are part of the gamestate. (If "Taking it as Read" passed, delete that last sentence. Delete this bracketed text either way.) Whenever a new Player joins the game, he or she has a hundred Body Points, and Soul Points equal to the average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). Each existing Player shall be given a hundred Body Points and a hundred Soul Points. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jjweston@pop.net Thu Dec 07 08:10:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 16:10:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 39878 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 16:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 16:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 16:10:49 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjsoe28902 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:10:48 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001207081041.011238b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:10:41 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal - Taking it as Read In-Reply-To: <90np4t+nqud@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston At 10:35 AM 12/7/2000 -0000, Kevan wrote: >Proposal - Taking it as Read > >Remove from the Ruleset any sentences containing the phrase "is part >of the gamestate" or "are part of the gamestate". > >In Rule 0, replace "Certain information reflecting the state of the >game is known as the Gamestate." with "Any data required to be stored >by a Rule is part of the Gamestate." > >Remove "; the Disease status of each Player shall be part of the >Gamestate" from the Rule "Diseases", if it exists. If you wish to remove the phrase "is part of the gamestate" from the rules, there are a number of other rules you need to ammend as well. Namely: 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 8. However, it looks like you are just replacing the phrase "is part of the gamestate" with "is required to be stored." With your ammendment to the Disease rule, you don't specify that the state of diseases must be stored. I'm not too fond of this proposal as it is... - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 07 08:40:51 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 30110 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.225] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:40:46 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal - Taking it as Read Message-ID: <90oeie+4qt4@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001207081041.011238b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1640 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > >Proposal - Taking it as Read > > > >Remove from the Ruleset any sentences containing the phrase "is part > >of the gamestate" or "are part of the gamestate". > > > >In Rule 0, replace "Certain information reflecting the state of the > >game is known as the Gamestate." with "Any data required to be stored > >by a Rule is part of the Gamestate." > > > >Remove "; the Disease status of each Player shall be part of the > >Gamestate" from the Rule "Diseases", if it exists. > > If you wish to remove the phrase "is part of the gamestate" from the > rules, there are a number of other rules you need to ammend as well. > Namely: 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 8. Er, aren't all of these caught by removing "any sentences containing the phrase "is part of the gamestate" or "are part of the gamestate""? Or did you misread that first paragraph as being a summary of my proposal's intentions, rather than proposed rule- changes? > However, it looks like you are just replacing the phrase "is part of the > gamestate" with "is required to be stored." With your ammendment to the > Disease rule, you don't specify that the state of diseases must be stored. Hm, by a rule "requiring data to be stored", I mean a rule stating that some data or other needs to be kept track of; keeping track is implicit, at least to me, whenever a rule says something like "each Player has a number of grommets". Maybe "is required to be kept track of" or "is mentioned by" or something would be clearer, I don't know. Feel free to take this Proposal and "clarify its meaning", Doc. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "What seems to be the problem?" From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 07 08:56:26 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 16:56:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 66266 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 16:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 16:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 16:56:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.27] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2000 16:56:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:56:16 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - Prescriptions / Perks / Impatience Message-ID: <90offg+852k@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1406 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Prescriptions Rename Rule 8 (Currency) to "Pills", and reword it to:- Medication is an important part of DocNomic, and is given in the form of varyingly-coloured Pills. The quantity and colour of Pills possessed by each Player is part of the gamestate. (Delete that last sentence if "Taking it as Read" passed. Delete this bracketed text either way.) When a Player joins the game, they have no Pills. Rename Rule 9 (Salary) to "Prescriptions", and reword it to:- At midnight Monday GMT of every week, all Players will receive a prescription of a certain number of Pills, of specified colours. The exact number and colours of Pills received must be defined by the rules. Unless specified elsewhere, all Players have a prescription of one Red Pill, two Blue Pills and three Green Pills. This rule defers to all other rules that specify a prescription amount. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Perks Add a new Rule, "Perks":- Whenever a Proposal passes, Doc may give its Proposer up to three Pills of any colours he feels appropriate. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Impatience Replace the term "Player" with "Patient" throughout the Ruleset. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 08 07:18:09 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 15:18:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 69923 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 15:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 15:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 15:18:08 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00800EF6@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:18:08 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA19185; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:18:07 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Fresh Diseases / Taking it as Read References: <90np4t+nqud@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Dec 2000 10:18:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Kevan "'s message of "Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:35:09 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu P3 "Fresh Diseases" was accepted. P4 "Taking it as Read" was rejected. See Gamestate for details. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 08 07:35:54 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 15:35:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 27863 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 15:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 15:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 16:36:59 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008012E4@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:34:13 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA22959; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:34:12 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Diagnosis Date: 08 Dec 2000 10:34:12 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jim Ingram has A Bit of a Cough (as of the implementation of Rule 10). -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 08 08:23:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 67015 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.25] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:23:16 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposals - Taking it as Read Message-ID: <90r1tk+urg6@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1049 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > P4 "Taking it as Read" was rejected. > >REJECTED. Sorry, Doc's a bit anal about some things. I regard >the Gamestate as important enough that it should be specified >carefully and explicitly. I've gone through the Ruleset and >persuaded myself I'd find the Gamestate too ambiguously defined >if this Proposal were enacted. Come now, surely there's some way we can generically refer to the bits of data which the ruleset calls "Gamestate"? How else is it possible for our brains to decide whether something should be Gamestate or not, when we Propose? What would be wrong with "Any piece of data required to be tracked by the Ruleset, and which does not change by itself, is considered part of the Gamestate."? ("By itself" covering the time of day, which we need to keep track of for Rule 9. I wouldn't want to grind the universe to a halt through careless Proposal. Although maybe there's a better phrase than "keep track of" to say what I mean...) Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Specialist subject, the bleeding obvious." From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Fri Dec 08 08:44:14 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 16:44:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 49446 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 16:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 16:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 16:44:13 -0000 Received: from Wintermute.surf2000.de (line69.surf2000.de [193.41.36.69]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eB8GiBw26085 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:44:11 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=Wintermute) by Wintermute.surf2000.de with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 144Qe1-0000I4-00 for ; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 17:45:13 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - "How are we feeling today?", and "Are you taking your medicine?" X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 08 Dec 2000 17:45:06 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch Proposal: "How are we feeling today" Doc must insert a typical "doctor's phrase" into every communication of the gamestate. A "doctor's phrase" is defined as a trite sentence doctors tend to utter when you visit them, like "How are we feeling today?", "It will be better in a couple of days" etc. Proposal: "Are you taking your medicine?" All Players (or Patients) that have contracted an illness as defined by the rules need to take one of their pills every week. The color of the pills to be taken shall be defined when the illness is contracted, and shall be red for "A bit of a cough". (btw, I just joined, and I'm still feeling fine ;) Britta -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From mr_jim83@hotmail.com Fri Dec 08 10:55:00 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: mr_jim83@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 86466 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk.egroups.com) (10.1.1.30) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mr_jim83@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.4.66] by mk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:54:54 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order - Medication Message-ID: <90rapu+4vlf@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 382 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 207.63.40.4 From: "Jim Ingram" Is it still allowed to use pills as currency or not? I see that we're moving towards a hospital- type theme, so if pills cannot be traded, what, if any thing, could be used as currency? Also, if we have a currency, what can be purchased with it? I'm just trying to come up with some ideas that follow a hospital theme. Note that this isn't a proposal, so I'm not coughing. -Jim From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 08 11:37:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 19:37:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 57945 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 19:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 19:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 19:37:04 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00803650@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:37:04 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA14922; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:37:04 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order - Medication References: <90rapu+4vlf@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Dec 2000 14:37:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jim Ingram"'s message of "Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:54:54 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jim Ingram" writes: > Is it still allowed to use pills as currency > or not? I see that we're moving towards a hospital- > type theme, so if pills cannot be traded, what, if > any thing, could be used as currency? Also, if we > have a currency, what can be purchased with it? Well, it isn't and never was allowed to use pills as currency, in the sense that the rules don't provide a mechanism for pills to be spent on anything. On the other hand, there's nothing in the rules to prohibit proposing rules that do provide a way to spend pills. Propose away! -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 08 11:39:51 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 19:39:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 28641 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 19:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 19:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 19:39:50 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00803675@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:39:50 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA15539; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:39:49 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order - Medication References: <90rapu+4vlf@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Dec 2000 14:39:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jim Ingram"'s message of "Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:54:54 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu By the way, though this was submitted as a "point of order", I'd like to handle it as informal discussion instead, reserving "points of order" for more substantive things like e.g. questions regarding the legality of a prior action, etc. If you *really* want this handled formally as a POO, say so and we will... -- - Doc From mr_jim83@hotmail.com Sat Dec 09 08:12:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: mr_jim83@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Dec 2000 16:12:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 40775 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2000 16:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2000 16:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Dec 2000 17:14:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mr_jim83@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.2.33] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2000 16:12:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:12:52 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Point of Order - Medication Message-ID: <90tlm4+rf7m@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 498 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 204.212.220.153 From: "Jim Ingram" --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > By the way, though this was submitted as a "point of order", I'd like > to handle it as informal discussion instead, reserving "points of > order" for more substantive things like e.g. questions regarding the > legality of a prior action, etc. > > If you *really* want this handled formally as a POO, say so and we > will... > > -- > - Doc No, thats alright. I just misunderstood the rule regarding Points of Order. I've got it now. -Jim From mr_jim83@hotmail.com Sat Dec 09 08:15:47 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: mr_jim83@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Dec 2000 16:15:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 48130 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2000 16:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2000 16:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Dec 2000 17:16:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mr_jim83@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.2.33] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2000 16:15:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:15:39 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Point of Order - Medication Message-ID: <90tlrb+au79@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 851 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 204.212.220.153 From: "Jim Ingram" --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > "Jim Ingram" writes: > > > Is it still allowed to use pills as currency > > or not? I see that we're moving towards a hospital- > > type theme, so if pills cannot be traded, what, if > > any thing, could be used as currency? Also, if we > > have a currency, what can be purchased with it? > > Well, it isn't and never was allowed to use pills as currency, in the > sense that the rules don't provide a mechanism for pills to be spent > on anything. On the other hand, there's nothing in the rules to > prohibit proposing rules that do provide a way to spend pills. > Propose away! > > -- > - Doc What I meant was, would it work within the theme that we seem to be developing to use pills as currency, not whether or not it is legal. Sorry about the misunderstanding. -Jim From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Dec 11 07:58:07 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Dec 2000 15:58:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 58722 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 15:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2000 15:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Dec 2000 15:58:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.104] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2000 15:58:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:58:00 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal - The Doctor Will See You Now Message-ID: <912ti8+ajvm@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 890 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - The Doctor Will See You Now { The way things are going, it'd seem useful to have a defined - if movable - weekly point, at which Doc does weekly things. } Enact a new Rule, "Surgery":- Doc's Surgery typically takes place at a time of his choosing every Thursday, although he may delay any Surgery by up to six days, or even cancel it if he finds himself too busy. A Surgery lasts for as long as it takes for Doc to process every action required in that Surgery. In Rule 9, replace "At midnight Monday GMT of every week" with "During each Surgery". In Rule 10 (Diseases), replace "At a moment of his choosing every Thursday" with "During each Surgery". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Denzil, you have broken my hat." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 11 08:34:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Dec 2000 16:34:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 75574 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 16:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2000 16:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Dec 2000 16:34:11 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0080F10D@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:34:11 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA28969; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:34:10 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Pending proposals P5-P10 Date: 11 Dec 2000 11:34:09 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu P5 "Body and Soul": ACCEPTED. P6 "Prescriptions": ACCEPTED. P7 "Perks": ACCEPTED. P8 "Impatience": REJECTED. Cute idea, but it makes the developing theme a little more pervasive than I'd like it to be. P9 "How are we feeling today": REJECTED. Perhaps I just don't spend enough time around (medical) doctors, but it seems to me I'd run out of "doctor's phrases" after about maybe five. Things would start getting drearily repetitive after that. P10 "Are you taking your medicine?": REJECTED. It's a good proposal but needs some clarification. How does a Player take a pill? Do they have to post a message saying "I'm taking a pill"? Or does Doc automatically decrement their pill count? (Isn't that a nurse's job?) Does it have to be any particular day or time? If it's up to the player, what happens if they don't take a pill? I look forward to a revised proposal with these questions addressed... -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 11 09:50:42 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Dec 2000 17:50:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 29608 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 17:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 Dec 2000 17:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Dec 2000 18:51:46 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0080FA3B@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:50:40 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA16364; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:50:40 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal - The Doctor Will See You Now References: <912ti8+ajvm@eGroups.com> Date: 11 Dec 2000 12:50:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:58:00 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Enact a new Rule, "Surgery":- Question: What, in the vernacular of your country (England?) is the relevant definition of the word "surgery"? I'm aware that it differs from US usage, and I think I have a reasonably correct understanding, but I'd like to check against yours. In the US, I believe it's fair to say "surgery" refers only to a medical procedure involving cutting / removing / reattaching / etc. What's the usage elsewhere, if there is anyone out there from elsewhere? -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Dec 11 12:03:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Dec 2000 20:03:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 12808 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 20:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2000 20:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Dec 2000 20:03:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.95] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2000 20:03:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:03:27 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal - The Doctor Will See You Now Message-ID: <913buf+pe0c@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1088 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.188.153.186 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > Enact a new Rule, "Surgery":- > > Question: What, in the vernacular of your country (England?) is the > relevant definition of the word "surgery"? I'm aware that it differs > from US usage, and I think I have a reasonably correct understanding, > but I'd like to check against yours. > > In the US, I believe it's fair to say "surgery" refers only to a > medical procedure involving cutting / removing / reattaching / > etc. > > What's the usage elsewhere, if there is anyone out there from > elsewhere? Mm, it can also refer to the doctor's office itself (or the building containing such offices, if it's a small hospital concerned with little more than diagnoses and minor treatment), or the time of a given day in which the doctor is available to consult with, or treat, patients. No idea how specific such meanings are to Britain, though. Feel free to replace it with something more universally acceptable before implementing the Proposal, though, if such was your only reservation. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm having an out-of-anorak experience." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Mon Dec 11 21:46:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 05:46:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 11684 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 05:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 05:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 05:46:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: oairhart@ispchannel.com Received: from [10.1.10.102] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2000 05:46:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 05:46:37 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal - Checkup Message-ID: <914e3t+ma0k@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1366 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.142.222.139 From: oairhart@ispchannel.com TWO PROPOSALS DOC. ------- New Rule: Checkup A player will be required to have a checkup if they are ever infected with a new disease. >From the time of infection until the Doc actually performs the checkup, all correspondence received from the Player will be ignored. A player will have a checkup by sending a request to the Doc for a checkup. The request is never ignored and shall always be processed in the order received with other correspondence from Players. During the checkup, the following events occur: a) Doc confirms the new disease. Every tenth checkup will cause the Player to instantly be cured of the new disease with no other checkup events occurring. b) Doc assigns a remedy for the disease if available. c) Doc prescribes additional pills, if necessary, for the number and duration according to the disease's remedy to be given to the Player. Prescription changes are automatic unless otherwise noted in the remedy. d) Doc takes as payment a given number of Body Points and Soul Points from the Player as defined in the remedy. ============== AMEND RULE 10 Modify "Bit of a Cough (Airborne)", Add: Remedy: Prescription - Take (Subtract) 1 blue pill, once a week for 2 weeks. The player is cured upon taking the second pill. Subtract 1 pill, from the most numerous color, for each proposal by the Player while infected. From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Tue Dec 12 00:47:47 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 08:47:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 50368 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 08:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 08:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 09:48:51 -0000 Received: from Wintermute.surf2000.de (line251.surf2000.de [193.41.36.251]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBC8lgw01224 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:47:42 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=Wintermute) by Wintermute.surf2000.de with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 145l6F-00007s-00 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:47:51 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Revised Proposal "Have you been taking your medicine?" X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 12 Dec 2000 09:47:44 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch Yes, I know oairheart has just proposed something which incorporates the old proposal. Just in case it won't pass (and I have a feeling it won't being quite vague on the prescription front), here's another try on mine. Sentences in [[ ]] are comments and not supposed to be in the official rule. Keep in mind that English is not my native language and that I'm not very good at legal stuff - so feel free to change the wording! Proposal "Have you been taking your medicine?" Take a Pill: If a player takes a Pill of a certain color, eir number of pills of that color is reduced by one. A player can only take a Pill of a certain color if e has one of that color. Cure: A Cure for a Disease shall be defined when the Disease is introduced and shall be part of the gamestate. It defines what number of pills of a certain color a player has to take per week to get rid of the disease and how many consecutive weeks that player needs to take that medicine. Prescription: If a player has a Disease, they will be prescribed a Cure for it. If a player doesn't take the Pills as required by their prescription, their Disease may become Chronic. Nurse: The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions. If a player wants to take a pill, e notifies that nurse of it via email. The Nurse shall then adjust the number of pills that player owns according to the notification. The name of the player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the gamestate [[badly phrased, I fear]] Chronic Disease: A Disease turns chronic if a player hasn't been taking their medicine for 3 consecutive weeks. If a player has a Chronic Disease, e must take the double amount of Pills for twice the number of weeks to get rid of the Disease. If a player doesn't take the Prescription for a Chronic Disease, e will lose 1 Body Point. A player with a Chronic Disease may also not make any proposals. The state of a Disease, namely Chronic or Non-Chronic, shall be part of the gamestate. Death: If a player's number of Body Points or Soul Points drops to 0, e is dead and may no longer take part in this nomic. [[This is nearly it! I thought that after all the definitions, I could write a proper proposal, but apparently all the defining has done the job...]] The Cure for "A Bit of A Cough" shall be one green Pill taken over the course of 2 weeks. Because of the small number of playres, Doc will be the Nurse until he decides that another player shall be holder of that office. [[So, what do you think? Any loop holes left? And what about Soul Points? Who invents phobias to lose those ;)]] Britta -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From jisummers@dttus.com Tue Dec 12 09:58:11 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jisummers@dttus.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 17:58:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 23381 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 17:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 17:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cj.egroups.com) (10.1.2.82) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 17:58:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jisummers@dttus.com Received: from [10.1.10.95] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2000 17:58:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:58:02 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: [DocNomic] New Player PROPOSAL: Disease Is Message-ID: <915ova+2d0n@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1289 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd Nomic" I. Any player may submit a Proposal defining a new disease or refining an existing disease. Any such proposal must have the following elements. A. Name: B. Type: C. Communication/Creation: D. Treatment: E. Effects: II. All diseases approved by the Doc will be listed in the game state as a seperate entity "Known Diseases". All disease definitions in the "Known Diseases" definitions of the gamestate will override disease definitions in the ruleset unless specifically overridden in the rule. III. Rule 10 "Bit of a Cough" will be modified as follows: "Known Disease" A. Name: Bit of a Cough B. Type: Airborne C. Communication: As per Type. [[Defined in Rule 10 as: "At a moment of his choosing every Thursday, Doc shall pick two random Players. Any Airborne Disease borne by the first shall be contracted by the second." ]]. Additionally, at the same time as determinging Players above, doc will determine a Player Randomly. This player will have a 10% chance of contracting "Bit of a Cough" if he does not already have it. D. Unknown E. A Player with this Disease should include the string "*cough*" at least twice in each Proposal message he or she submits, or that Proposal shall be ignored. [[ I am excited to join the Nomic!! ]] From jisummers@dttus.com Tue Dec 12 10:21:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jisummers@dttus.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 18:21:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 55721 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 18:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 18:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c9.egroups.com) (10.1.2.66) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 18:21:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jisummers@dttus.com Received: from [10.1.10.104] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2000 18:21:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:21:48 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: New Player PROPOSAL: Disease Is Message-ID: <915qbs+f88k@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <915ova+2d0n@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1152 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd Nomic" --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Feyd Nomic" wrote: > I. Any player may submit a Proposal defining a new disease or > > II. All diseases approved by the Doc will be listed in the game > state as a seperate entity "Known Diseases". All disease definitions > in the "Known Diseases" definitions of the gamestate will override > disease definitions in the ruleset unless specifically overridden in > the rule. Article two doesn't define how the "Known Diseases" objects are to be kept, only that they are to be kept separately from the ruleset. I set up a play "table" to see how easy that is. I think this would be a great way to list information in general (diseases in this case, different pills and their abilities, players and their afflictions) and may make it easier for Doc to maintain data. Furthermore, since different tables can be owned by different people and updated only by those people + Moderator, it will be easier to create positions with specific tasks and have methods for those positions to display information to the game in general in an easy to read format. Again, glad to be here! Feyd From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Dec 13 06:35:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 14:35:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 50033 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 14:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 14:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 15:36:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.119] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2000 14:35:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:35:26 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - Waiting List / Cash Message-ID: <9181fe+odv6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2707 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - The Waiting List { An attempt to organise the taking of pills, and other, future game events; current Proposals on this issue are a bit too "Do something that takes effect immediately! Oh, and, er, wait for Doc to update the Gamestate, I suppose." Too much scope for ambiguity and confusion. A Waiting List seems a good hospital thing, too. And should be a fairly straightforward bit of cgi-scripting. } A new Rule, "The Waiting List":- Certain actions in DocNomic are known as "Events". The Waiting List is a list of Events requested but unperformed, listed from the oldest to the newest. It is part of the Gamestate. Any Player may add a new Event to the Waiting List at any time. If a Player is to do something "as an Event", it means that he or she should add details of such an Event to the Waiting List. If any Events are on the Waiting List, Doc may process the oldest - announcing its resolution to the mailing list if he feels it appropriate - and delete it from the List. Events which are illegal under the current Ruleset are ignored instead of processed. A new Rule, "Events":- A Player may take any number of Pills, as an Event. Upon that Event being processed, the Pills are removed from that Player's possession and take effect as defined by the Ruleset, unless the Player lacks (even some of) the specified Pills, in which case nothing happens. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - All You Need Is Cash { A recent Proposal from "oairhart" had a rather curious "Doc takes as payment a given number of Body Points and Soul Points from the Player" clause, which suggests it might be worth having a way to pay for things, particularly medical consultancy and treatment. I tentatively propose Cash. Not really sure if it's a useful addition or a fiddly extra variable. We'll see. } Rename Rule 11 to "Body, Soul and Cash" and reword it to:- Each Player has a number of Body Points, Soul Points and Cash Points, adjusted by various events in the game. These Points are part of the Gamestate. Whenever a new Player joins the game, he or she has a hundred Body Points, a thousand Cash Points, and Soul Points equal to the average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). At midnight GMT every Monday, every Player gains a hundred Cash. Doc may replace "At midnight GMT every Monday" with any time reference he feels appropriate, there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm leaving my body to science fiction." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 13 09:25:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 17:25:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 56276 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 17:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 17:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 18:26:09 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0081C22A@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:25:03 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA14953; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:25:02 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Pending proposals P11-P15, and Proclamation X2 Date: 13 Dec 2000 12:25:02 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 54 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu P11 "The Doctor Will See You Now": ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. P12: REJECTED. (But welcome to the game, Ottis!) Frankly, mainly because this creates too much work for Doc. Additionally, it contributes to confusion over the role of pills -- they're doled out automatically once a week, regardless of disease, yet they're also prescribed according to disease here, and they're also handed out arbitrarily for accepted proposals. The whole pills/prescription thing needs some careful thought, and it could go any of several ways -- depending on how you see Doc. Is he a conscientious, careful, and ethical doctor... or is he handing out pills like candy in return for favors rendered? And one minor quibble: does "Every tenth checkup" mean literally nine checkups in a row don't show an instant cure and the next one does, or that Doc throws a 10-sided die and you're cured if it comes up 10? P13: REJECTED. This was submitted as a second proposal, but really is (I think) part and parcel of the first. Anyway, it doesn't make much sense without the first. P14 "Have you been taking your medicine?": ACCEPTED -- but see Proclamations. 1 green pill. P15: REJECTED. (And welcome, Feyd!) There are elements of this proposal I like. Systematizing the diseases in this way is a good thing. But I dislike the idea of extending the concept of "Proposal" to cover direct changes to the gamestate, especially since it seems unnecessary; I don't see any benefit, under the proposed setup, to taking the disease definitions out of the ruleset and putting them in the gamestate. Not only do I not see any benefit, but it conflicts with Rule 10, which states A number of Diseases exist, as detailed in this Rule. Since Rule 10 would have the lower rule number, it would take precedence, and diseases defined under this rule would have no legal standing. X2: Doc proclaims: Rule 14 is hereby amended as follows: Delete the text "Because of the small number of players, Doc will be the Nurse until he decides that another player shall be holder of that office." (now that it has taken effect, this provision is no longer needed.) In the definition of Death, replace "this nomic" with "this Round of this Nomic". -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 13 09:29:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 17:29:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 79780 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 17:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 17:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 17:29:34 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0081C262@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:29:33 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA15628; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:29:33 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse! Date: 13 Dec 2000 12:29:32 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Selecting a player at random, I nominate Ottis Airhart to act as Nurse under Rule 14. If Ottis accepts, the transfer of office will take place immediately. (Small defect in Rule 14: as enacted, it allows Doc to appoint another person to be Nurse once, but fails to say anything about transferring that office ever again. Well, we'll burn that bridge when we get to it.) -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 13 09:34:03 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 17:34:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 94983 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 18:35:06 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001213173700.GDXO382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:37:00 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001213113302.01836460@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:34:51 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart THANKS!!!! I appreciate it! Well, now let's see what I can do about this... (I Accept, by the way). At 12:29 PM 12/13/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Selecting a player at random, I nominate Ottis Airhart to act as Nurse >under Rule 14. If Ottis accepts, the transfer of office will take >place immediately. > >(Small defect in Rule 14: as enacted, it allows Doc to appoint another >person to be Nurse once, but fails to say anything about transferring >that office ever again. Well, we'll burn that bridge when we get to >it.) > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 13 10:29:37 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 18:29:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 20199 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 18:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 18:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 18:29:36 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0081C635@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:29:36 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA00705; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:29:35 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse! References: <4.1.20001213113302.01836460@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 13 Dec 2000 13:29:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:34:51 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu OK -- gamestate updated accordingly. (Thanks! Doc's real busy right now...) -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Dec 13 11:32:28 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 19:32:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 68410 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 19:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 19:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta2 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 19:32:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.4.73] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2000 19:32:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:32:13 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: PROPOSAL: Ammend Rule 10 (adding diseases) Message-ID: <918irt+10djs@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1227 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " Ammend Rule 10 to add the following text concerning Diseases: ------------begin text --------------------------------- Any use of "[[ text ]]" should be construed as a non-rule comment. Addiction (Psychosis) Once a week, during Office Hours, the player with the most pills (regardless of color) is designated the "Addict" for the upcoming week. The Addict may not take any Action that reduces the number of pills in eir possession except to take a pill (or have the Nurse administer a pill to em). [[Thus, e could trade 1 red for 2 green, but not 2 greens for one red. E could also take any number of pills]]. Addicts are fragile things, and therefore lose 3 body and 5 soul points at the beginning of the week they are designated the Addict. In addition, the Addict must take 1 red pill in order to [[overcome eir fear and]] make a Proposal. In any non-proposal message they send to the public newsgroup the addict must in some way ask for a pill. Failure to do so will cause the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued as an action for the next Office Hours. ------------------end text--------------------- Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 13 19:58:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 03:58:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 4001 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 03:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 03:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 03:58:30 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0081F35B@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:58:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA14568; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:58:28 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Office Hours Date: 13 Dec 2000 22:58:28 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu It's not Thursday where I am, but it's Thursday in Greenwich, and I have a few moments now and may have fewer tomorrow, so I hereby do the Office Hours thing. Prescriptions: Everyone gets 1/2/3 pills (r/b/g). Diseases: Randomly selected players are Feyd Nomic and Britta Koch. Feyd has no diseases so Britta catches none. -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 14 05:41:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 13:41:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 17854 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 13:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 13:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 14:42:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.119] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2000 13:41:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:41:18 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - Migraine / Phobias Message-ID: <91ailu+10eo3@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1710 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Tense, Nervous, Headache Add a new Disease:- Migraine (Non-Contagious) During Office Hours:- * All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and 'x' Soul Points. * All other Players each have an 'x' per cent chance of contracting a Migraine. ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since the end of the previous Office Hours. Each Green Pill a Player takes has a 50% chance of curing them of this Disease. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Claustrophobia and Agoraphobia Add two new Diseases:- Claustrophobia (Psychosis) Whenever a Rule is repealed, all Players with Claustrophobia lose 5 Soul Points, all Players with Agorophobia gain 5 Soul Points, and there is a 50% chance of the Rule's original Proposer contracting Claustrophobia. If a Player with Claustrophobia contracts Agoraphobia, they are cured of Claustrophobia. Agoraphobia (Psychosis) Whenever a new Rule is enacted, all Players with Agoraphobia lose 5 Soul Points, all Players with Claustrophobia gain 5 Soul Points, and each Player (other than the Rule's Proposer) has an 'x' per cent chance of contracting Agoraphobia, where 'x' is the highest Rule number in the Ruleset. If a Player with Agoraphobia contracts Claustrophobia, they are cured of Agoraphobia. To the Rule "Body and Soul", add the paragraph:- Body Points and Soul Points have a defined range. If either is less than zero for any Player, it is set to zero. If either is above 120, it is set to 120. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From nau@treyarch.com Thu Dec 14 10:59:51 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: nau@treyarch.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 18:59:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 14384 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 18:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 18:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aeowyn.treyarch.com) (64.148.189.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 18:59:49 -0000 Received: from mark (mark.treyarch.com [64.148.189.106]) by aeowyn.treyarch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20446 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800 Message-ID: <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> To: Subject: Proposal submission Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 From: "Mark Nau" To create a new rule entitled "Pill Exchange" A player wishing to make a pill exchange shall notify the Nurse of the exchange e wants to make, and the Nurse shall adjust the number of pills that player owns, provided the exchange is explicitly authorized by the Ruleset. A player may exchange two green pills for one red pill. A player may exchange one red pill and one blue pill for one yellow pill. -Mark Nau From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 14 11:35:53 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 19:35:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 74276 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 19:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 19:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 19:35:52 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001214193851.PKFM382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:38:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001214131056.0169b848@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:36:30 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal submission In-Reply-To: <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart [The following proposal removes the section called "Nurse" in Rule 14 and makes it its own rule for additions and modifications.] === I hereby propose the following: Proposal 1: Amend Rule 14 removing the Section labeled "Nurse". Proposal 2: Create a new Rule [15?] labeled "Nurse" which states the following: The name of the player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the gamestate. The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions. As compensation for such duties, the Nurse shall receive 2 soul points, 5 body points, and 3 additional green pills during each Office Hours to keep em healthy. If a player wants to take a pill, e notifies that nurse of it via email. The Nurse shall then administer (adjust) the number of pills that player owns according to the notification. When the Nurse administers pills, e must also take one green pill as preventive medicine, lose 1 body point for being exposed to infection, and gain 1 soul point for being such a good player. If the Nurse fails to take the preventive medicine before the next Office Hours, e shall lose 5 body points and 3 soul points for being so foolish. The Nurse shall be deemed "susceptible to infection" when eir body points is below 75. At this point, the Nurse will be infected with any disease or disorder that e administers pills for. If eir body points is below 35, Doc must choose a new Nurse to take over. The Nurse may convert eir soul points to body points at a ration of 2:1 at any time to stay "healthy". The Nurse's actions shall be announced to the other Players and Doc via email by making a Proclamation of Administration listing all actions requested by other players and the Nurse. Doc will then adjust the gamestate to reflect the Administration adjustments. Failure to make at least one Proclomation of Administration between Office Hours events shall reduce the Nurse's body and soul points by 25 points each. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 14 11:52:15 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 19:52:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 65243 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 19:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 19:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 19:52:14 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00822CF9@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:52:14 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA02299; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:52:13 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission References: <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> Date: 14 Dec 2000 14:52:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Mark Nau"'s message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Welcome, Mark! Speaking of the Nurse, he has no way to change the pill totals as long as they're shown on my web site... so I've moved the player information into an eGroups "Database" (table) at . Ottis should be able to modify this (don't abuse your new Moderator status, Ottis...) -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 14 12:11:37 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 20:11:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 28652 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 20:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 20:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 20:11:34 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001214201434.PQJQ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:14:34 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001214141207.017b3938@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:12:23 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission In-Reply-To: References: <"Mark Nau"'s message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800"> <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart No problem. You may want to modify my last proposal to reflect that change. At 02:52 PM 12/14/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Welcome, Mark! > >Speaking of the Nurse, he has no way to change the pill totals as long >as they're shown on my web site... so I've moved the player >information into an eGroups "Database" (table) at >. >Ottis should be able to modify this (don't abuse your new Moderator >status, Ottis...) > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Fri Dec 15 00:29:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 08:29:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 68143 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 08:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 08:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 08:29:16 -0000 Received: from Wintermute.surf2000.de (line111.surf2000.de [193.41.36.111]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBF8TFL11346 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:29:15 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=Wintermute) by Wintermute.surf2000.de with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 146q9h-00005g-00 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:23:53 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Holidays X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 15 Dec 2000 09:23:49 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch Hi! Just so you don't wonder why you aren't hearing from me: I'm going on holiday today and will be back on the 26th. Doc, please don't let me be sick, because I'd hate to be sick over Christmas without being able to do anything about it! ;) Have a nice Christmas, Britta -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 15 06:28:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 14:28:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 92656 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 14:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 14:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 14:28:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.117] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 14:28:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:28:14 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal submission (Nurse) Message-ID: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001214131056.0169b848@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2417 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > The name of the player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the > gamestate. The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions. Hm, might it be a good idea for the Nurse to keep tabs on Diseases and Soul Points and the rest, actually? It seems a little clumsy to have the Nurse decrementing Pill counts and waiting for Doc to remove any cured Diseases or make any Point adjustments. > As compensation > for such duties, the Nurse shall receive 2 soul points, 5 body points, and > 3 additional green pills during each Office Hours to keep em healthy. Hmm, "Cash" is seeming more of a useful thing... > When the Nurse administers pills, e must also take one green pill as > preventive medicine, lose 1 body point for being exposed to infection, and > gain 1 soul point for being such a good player. If the Nurse fails to take > the preventive medicine before the next Office Hours, e shall lose 5 body > points and 3 soul points for being so foolish. Soul gain aside, this all seems a bit harsh; surely it's in the interests of the game for people to *want* to be the Nurse? I'd rather see it being a role with hefty reward that people were fighting for, than something so dangerous that Doc ends up doing it instead. Although now that we've got the eGroups database thing (which is rather suaver than I expected it to be, to be honest), is it maybe worth getting rid of the Nurse role and having Players update their own details? Whenever you take a Pill, update your Pill count and/or Diseases yourself, and post a message to the list saying what you've done (maybe quoting before-and-after versions of the database table, so that we can backtrack any dodginess). The ability to have things take effect immediately, and to remove the need for a given Player to be awake and enthusiastic, seems rather appealing... Alternatively, Doc or I could pen a script similar to the eGroups thing that automatically logged who changed what and when (which might be a better idea anyway; if the eGroups database can only be set to be edited by admin or "all members", we don't really want passers-by buggering about with it). I'd be up for coughing some perl out this weekend, if people (or, at least, Doc, this being Imperial) were in favour. Speak now. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Do you smoke?" "No." "How many a day?" "Forty." "Right, so you don't smoke forty a day." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 07:32:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 15:32:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 49025 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 15:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 15:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 16:33:59 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00827AF0@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:32:53 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA11410; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:32:53 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal submission (Nurse) References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 10:32:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:28:14 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 46 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Hm, might it be a good idea for the Nurse to keep tabs on Diseases > and Soul Points and the rest, actually? It seems a little clumsy to > have the Nurse decrementing Pill counts and waiting for Doc to remove > any cured Diseases or make any Point adjustments. Yep. > Hmm, "Cash" is seeming more of a useful thing... Maybe... > Soul gain aside, this all seems a bit harsh; surely it's in the > interests of the game for people to *want* to be the Nurse? I'd > rather see it being a role with hefty reward that people were > fighting for, than something so dangerous that Doc ends up doing it > instead. Definitely. The whole point to the Nurse is to spread the load a bit -- if no one takes the job and I have to do it, it could get ugly... > Although now that we've got the eGroups database thing (which is > rather suaver than I expected it to be, to be honest), is it maybe > worth getting rid of the Nurse role and having Players update their > own details? Worth thinking about anyway. > Alternatively, Doc or I could pen a script similar to the eGroups > thing that automatically logged who changed what and when (which > might be a better idea anyway; if the eGroups database can only be > set to be edited by admin or "all members", we don't really want > passers-by buggering about with it). Well, we could either set up the group to require approval before people become members, or we could make all Players moderators. > I'd be up for coughing some perl out this weekend, if people (or, at > least, Doc, this being Imperial) were in favour. Speak now. Go ahead and rough something out -- if it looks promising we can smooth out details and use it. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 07:37:54 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 15:37:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 70277 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 15:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 15:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 16:38:57 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00827B8D@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:37:49 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA12207; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:37:38 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Directive D2 (was Re: [DocNomic] Holidays) References: Date: 15 Dec 2000 10:37:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: Britta Koch's message of "15 Dec 2000 09:23:49 CET" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Britta Koch writes: > Just so you don't wonder why you aren't hearing from me: I'm going on > holiday today and will be back on the 26th. Doc, please don't let me be > sick, because I'd hate to be sick over Christmas without being able to > do anything about it! ;) OK, happy holidays... Directive D2: We could stand to have a rule governing vacationing players. (And vacationing Docs, for that matter.) -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 08:39:46 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 16:39:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 96462 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 16:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 16:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 16:39:45 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215164244.WGLN382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:42:44 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215095812.06e137c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:40:38 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals In-Reply-To: References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Medical Brief (Point of Order) >From my experience with other Imperial style Nomic games, other players didn't have a say in whether a proposal was accepted or rejected. They just had to deal with the outcome. If they didn't like a proposal, then they would modify the rule after it was accepted. Should we make Kevan an "Intern" or something so that he can legally have an oppinion before a proposal is accepted? The idea behind gaining or losing Soul points was to establish a reward/punishment system for a player playing Nurse with the idea that to be Nurse, you get "perks", but you have to do the job. I wouldn't want a Nurse that never participates because then everyone would end up with a Chronic Disease. Why are you worried about the negative consequences of the Nurse anyways? I'm the Nurse right now, and I don't have a problem with it (I proposed the rule, remember). I would like to see the rule passed and then amended by other players if they didn't like the stipulations. This rule has no conflict with the ruleset or apparent theme of the game. I hereby recommend its approval and acceptance subject to normal amendment and modification. Ottis Airhart, Nurse ============ Proposal I propose that all references to "Point of Order" in the gamestate and ruleset be renamed "Medical Brief". I also propose that all references to "Proclomation" in the gamestate and ruleset be renamed "Medical Board Memorandum". ============= Proposal I propose a new rule labeled "Intern" stating the following: At any point in the game, Doc may appoint an Intern. An Intern's role will be to help in the decision making process [[a co-Doc]]. Doc may accept, reject, or ignore the oppinions of the Intern without comment. Doc may appoint the Intern to temporarily take on the certain responsibilities of the office of Doc by making a Proclomation [["Medical Board Memorandum"]] declaring the current responsibilities. This will also be noted under the Office Holders section in the Gamestate. The Intern, if unable to adjust the gamestate or ruleset, shall publish updated rules or gamestate information to the mailing list whereby it shall supercede any other publication until such time as Doc may make permanent adjustments. [[This allows for Doc's vacation, but game continuation]]. Doc may at any time NULL actions performed by the Intern. Any act by a player attempting to perform Intern duties (opinions, etc) shall be consider "Malpractice" and that player shall lose 5 Soul points. The Intern will receive 2 Soul points during each Office Hours for being such a good person. [[if Cash is ever accepted, then we can then amend this rule to have further compensation]] =========== Proposal: Proposals and Appeals Mechanism I propose the following amendments: Rule three be modified to include the following text: Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. The body of the message must begin with the following text: "Proposal:" followed by the label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. Rule five be modified to include the following text: Each Point of Order [[Medical Brief]] must have in its Subject line the text: "Point of Order:" [[or "Medical Brief:"]] followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference or it shall be ignored. The body of the message must begin with the following text: "Point of Order:" [[or "Medical Brief:"]] followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference or it shall be ignored. Each Proclamation [[Medical Board Memorandum]] shall follow a similar format at the Doc's discretion. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 09:01:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:01:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 37821 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 17:01:20 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828418@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:01:20 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA27131; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:01:19 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001215095812.06e137c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 12:01:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:40:38 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 40 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Medical Brief (Point of Order) I may issue a Directive one of these days with regard to Points of Order. As I see it, a POO is the way the judicial system works -- if there's a disagreement or a perceived illegality or something, that's the way it's handled. For just talking about the game, I think it's best to just talk. Otherwise I have to log it as a point of order, post it to the game state, issue a formal response, etc. Faugh. So, with your permission, I'll ignore the "POO" designation above and just talk. OK, I guess there *was* a question about the legality of posting comments. If you insist, I'll treat that portion of your message as a POO. If you insist. > >From my experience with other Imperial style Nomic games, other players > didn't have a say in whether a proposal was accepted or rejected. They just > had to deal with the outcome. If they didn't like a proposal, then they > would modify the rule after it was accepted. Formally, that's the case here. But my preference is not to run that way. (And I confess, I've never played Imperial before -- unless you count The Curvature Of the Earth Is Overwhelmed By Local Noise Nomic, which I guess is Imperial, but too silly to be taken as a precedent.) I am not only willing but eager to hear comments on proposals before I take action -- I don't always notice the flaws, or the brilliant touches for that matter. > Should we make Kevan an > "Intern" or something so that he can legally have an oppinion before a > proposal is accepted? Having an opinion is legal -- and encouraged. I didn't put the "Anything not forbidden is allowed (except for changing the rules and gamestate, where anything not allowed is forbidden)" clause in the ruleset, but I consider it to be in effect. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 09:04:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:04:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 74104 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:05:13 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215170630.WKDF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:06:30 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215104111.06e39a40@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:04:16 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Vacation In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Proposal: Vacation See the "Intern" proposal for vacation Doc allowances. I propose the following rule: Vacation: Any player may declare themselves on vacation for a given period of time and shall be noted in the gamestate. During this time, any diseases or other ailments that player currently holds shall go into "recession". While in "recession", the player shall not take any pills or other treatment leading to a cure. While on vacation, a player shall not receive any perks, prescriptions, or other increases or decreases to their pill count[[, cash (if accepted)]], etc. A vacationing player may be infected by new diseases or ailments, but they shall be in recession until such time as that player returns. This shall be noted in their gamestate. Any Proposals or Proclamations [[Medical Briefs]] received from the player while on vacation shall be ignored EXCEPT for a required Proclamation [[Medical Brief]] stating that they are no longer on vacation. Upon returning from vacation, that player's gamestate shall be modified and any diseases or ailments in recession shall become active diseases or ailments subject to treatment for a cure. [[This player gamestate info should be kept in the egroups database]] [[I thought it would be unfare to allow a player to go on vacation at a whim without being able to contract diseases, otherwise, I would go on vacation every Thursday during Office Hours so that I would never contract a disease. The catch here is that all diseases are in recession (not needing treatment) until that player returns. Any active player can have multiple diseases at this point, so if they contract several diseases during a long vacation (at this point it would have to be a VERY LONG vacation), then they are not in any different boat than other players. No vacationing player should be allowed to gain valuable assets (pills, etc) while not being able to gain damaging assets (diseases, etc) at the same time.]] From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 15 09:21:06 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:21:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 23983 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 17:21:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.4] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 17:21:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:20:58 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals Message-ID: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001215095812.06e137c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3553 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > From my experience with other Imperial style Nomic games, other players > didn't have a say in whether a proposal was accepted or rejected. They just > had to deal with the outcome. If they didn't like a proposal, then they > would modify the rule after it was accepted. Should we make Kevan an > "Intern" or something so that he can legally have an oppinion before a > proposal is accepted? Hm, what? I thought Doc had taken the "post Proposals to the list" approach so that people could just comment generally and maybe spot rule flaws that he might overlook. I admit, from experience, Imperial Nomics tend to operate with Proposals going straight to the Emperor and only becoming public knowledge after they've passed or failed, but this difference in approach seems fairly useful. Although it is becoming mildly confusing keeping track of what's passed and what's pending-but-likely-to-pass. That may just be me, though. > The idea behind gaining or losing Soul points was to establish a > reward/punishment system for a player playing Nurse with the idea that to > be Nurse, you get "perks", but you have to do the job. I wouldn't want a > Nurse that never participates because then everyone would end up with a > Chronic Disease. A good point; the "reward per activity" Soul thing is far better than a flat weekly reward. Some of the penalties just seemed too harsh, though, particularly the Disease-catching, the fines for forgetting to do things (or, indeed, simply not being able to take a Green pill for every Pill another Player takes; with seven or eight Active Players taking their medicine every week, the Nurse would soon run out of Greens, even if she gets three free ones). > Why are you worried about the negative consequences of the > Nurse anyways? I'm the Nurse right now, and I don't have a problem with it > (I proposed the rule, remember). Well, admirable of you to put such negativities in when you knew they'd be affecting you, but ultimately it's quite possible that the post of Nurse would eventually pass to someone else, and I think it's important to make the role appealing rather than ominous. Penalties for not doing the job at *all* might be a good idea, though, to stop anyone simply claiming the role for its rewards, or to stop other Players getting their Pills. But this is fairly academic stuff if we go with a Player-maintained cgi-script thing, of course. > I would like to see the rule passed and > then amended by other players if they didn't like the stipulations. This > rule has no conflict with the ruleset or apparent theme of the game. Naturally. I'm not decrying it as illegal, just offering my thoughts. Doc is, of course, entirely free to ignore my opinion and laugh at me. Forgive me if I came across as 'voting'. Nice work on the Intern Proposal, anyway; it'd be handy to have an official way for Doc to let someone else take over the reigns, or some of them, for a while. One thing, though:- > Any act by a player attempting to > perform Intern duties (opinions, etc) shall be consider "Malpractice" and > that player shall lose 5 Soul points. Hm? Penalties for non-Interns expressing opinions? Am I reading this correctly? > Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed > by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. [...] A sterling idea. It's becoming quite a pain to find particular Proposals amid the mailing list archive. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Leave me alone, I was only singing." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 09:36:29 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:36:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 73311 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008288FF@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:36:22 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA09003; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:36:21 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals References: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 12:36:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:20:58 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > A sterling idea. It's becoming quite a pain to find particular > Proposals amid the mailing list archive. Case in point: I didn't see the Intern proposal (or the others in the same message) until Ottis and Kevan referred to them later. They were below Ottis's signature, which was at the bottom of the window, and I assumed that was the end of the message. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 09:59:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:59:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 43689 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 17:59:33 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215180232.WTRC382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:02:32 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215114921.016e5838@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:00:26 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals In-Reply-To: References: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart in light of the recent discussions, I would not be opposed to removing the penalty section from the Intern proposal if its inclusion will keep it from passing. I am glad this all came out now, rather than later. I am glad to establish the decorum for the game now. I'm not opposed to oppinions on unpassed proposals. I was just assuming that Doc had the only say. BTW: I'm not perfectly clear on the update timeframe... Doc, will proposal updates only be performed during Office Hours, or how often are you planning updates? Should we clarify in the rules a general idea? Just curious because I don't want to bombard Doc with proposals when he isn't going to process them for a while. NOT GAME RELATED, reader beware: Also, an aside. I'm considering hosting a SPEED ROUND during the Holidays called Holiday Nomic that will be a guaranteed daily update with two when possible. The idea is to establish a theme game that ends on January 4th no matter what. The winning goal is undefined to start but it must be decisive (or absolutely undecisive) on the end date. I was thinking of either an imperial game or a minimalist game where the first 5 votes decides if a rule passes. This will allow the game to continue in between updates of the master ruleset... with all proposals that pass becoming part of the official ruleset regardless of its listing. If players are concerned about playing "on Christmas day" because of too many obligations, they can thusly make a rule. If I have at least 5 players interested, I'll start it in within a week. If I choose to use the voting method, I will be one player, otherwise, I will officiate. I think there are enough bored people out there during the holidays to have a smashing game, even if most of the players don't play certain days due to vacation. The speed will be determined by the players. Comments? Please do not send directly to this list. Email: oairhart@ispchannel.com directly. I'll make a mailing list if there are enough people to discuss and start but will in the mean time distribute discussion privately to all interested parties. At 12:36 PM 12/15/2000 -0500, you wrote: >kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > >> A sterling idea. It's becoming quite a pain to find particular >> Proposals amid the mailing list archive. > >Case in point: I didn't see the Intern proposal (or the others in the >same message) until Ottis and Kevan referred to them later. They were >below Ottis's signature, which was at the bottom of the window, and I >assumed that was the end of the message. > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:14:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:14:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 86777 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:15:24 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828CE6@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:14:18 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA17105; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:14:18 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proclamation X3: Gamestate revision Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:14:18 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 47 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu X3: Gamestate revision [Originally I had intended that the web site would be the main avenue of communication for DocNomic. So I decided pending proposals, declarations, proclamations, and pending points of order would appear on the gamestate page. [Instead, of course, we've settled into doing stuff on the mailing list. Past proposals, declarations, proclamations, and points of order can easily be found in the eGroups archive, especially if subject line formatting is enforced, as has been proposed. Therefore, formatting such transient stuff for the web page seems like a poor use of my time. [So I'm modifying the rules to reduce the amount of crapwork I have to do.] In Rule 3, the sentence The lists of Proclamations, Directives, and Pending Proposals are part of the Gamestate. is hereby repealed. In Rule 5, the sentence The list of Pending Points of Order is part of the Gamestate. is hereby repealed. [Also, I just noticed it's illegal for me to have taken the player information off the gamestate page. So...] In Rule 4, to the phrase and the current Gamestate at the phrase and/or in one or more eGroups databases at is hereby appended. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:19:59 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:19:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 47544 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:21:04 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828D5C@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:19:59 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA17802; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:19:58 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals References: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001215114921.016e5838@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:19:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:00:26 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > BTW: I'm not perfectly clear on the update timeframe... Doc, will proposal > updates only be performed during Office Hours, or how often are you > planning updates? When I find the time! > Should we clarify in the rules a general idea? Just > curious because I don't want to bombard Doc with proposals when he isn't > going to process them for a while. Don't hold back on my account; they'll keep till I get to them. If it's because you don't like a delay... well, sorry; things are REALLY busy for me these days -- I'll try not to let things slide a long time, but don't count on action within hours or even a couple days. > NOT GAME RELATED, reader beware: > Also, an aside. I'm considering hosting a SPEED ROUND during the Holidays > called Holiday Nomic Sounds like fun; I don't think I should try participating, but I might want to spectate... -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 10:24:29 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:24:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 61707 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:25:13 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215182702.WXKA382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:27:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215122359.01708dd8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:24:55 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals In-Reply-To: References: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001215114921.016e5838@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Oh, I wasn't complaining... just curious. If you are updating every few days or so, I just didn't want to overload you in the mean time. Not complaining. Thanks for hosting! At 01:19 PM 12/15/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Ottis Airhart writes: > >> BTW: I'm not perfectly clear on the update timeframe... Doc, will proposal >> updates only be performed during Office Hours, or how often are you >> planning updates? > >When I find the time! > >> Should we clarify in the rules a general idea? Just >> curious because I don't want to bombard Doc with proposals when he isn't >> going to process them for a while. > >Don't hold back on my account; they'll keep till I get to them. If >it's because you don't like a delay... well, sorry; things are REALLY >busy for me these days -- I'll try not to let things slide a long >time, but don't count on action within hours or even a couple days. > >> NOT GAME RELATED, reader beware: >> Also, an aside. I'm considering hosting a SPEED ROUND during the Holidays >> called Holiday Nomic > >Sounds like fun; I don't think I should try participating, but I might >want to spectate... > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:28:30 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:28:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 76811 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828DD9@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:28:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA19170; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:28:28 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proclamation X4: Publication revision Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:28:28 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu [And now we need to specify how I *really* tell you what's going on.] To Rule 4 prepend Doc must publish all Proposal and Point of Order judgements, and all Proclamations and Directives, to the DocNomic Mailing List. No Proposal or Point of Order judgement, Proclamation, or Directive, shall have any effect until it is so published. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:36:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:36:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 3104 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:38:01 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828E47@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:36:56 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA20880; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:36:55 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Waiting List / Cash References: <9181fe+odv6@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:36:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:35:26 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 76 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - The Waiting List > > { An attempt to organise the taking of pills, and other, future game > events; current Proposals on this issue are a bit too "Do something > that takes effect immediately! Oh, and, er, wait for Doc to update > the Gamestate, I suppose." Too much scope for ambiguity and > confusion. > > A Waiting List seems a good hospital thing, too. And should be a > fairly straightforward bit of cgi-scripting. } > > A new Rule, "The Waiting List":- > > Certain actions in DocNomic are known as "Events". The Waiting List > is a list of Events requested but unperformed, listed from the > oldest to the newest. It is part of the Gamestate. > > Any Player may add a new Event to the Waiting List at any time. If > a Player is to do something "as an Event", it means that he or she > should add details of such an Event to the Waiting List. > > If any Events are on the Waiting List, Doc may process the oldest - > announcing its resolution to the mailing list if he feels it > appropriate - and delete it from the List. Events which are illegal > under the current Ruleset are ignored instead of processed. > > A new Rule, "Events":- > > A Player may take any number of Pills, as an Event. Upon that Event > being processed, the Pills are removed from that Player's possession > and take effect as defined by the Ruleset, unless the Player lacks > (even some of) the specified Pills, in which case nothing happens. REJECTED. I think this proposal may be mooted by some of the other ideas currently stewing. This one has too much passive voice for my taste, e.g. "The Pills are removed" -- I'd like something that specifies who's doing the removing and keeping track! > Proposal - All You Need Is Cash > > { A recent Proposal from "oairhart" had a rather curious "Doc takes > as payment a given number of Body Points and Soul Points from the > Player" clause, which suggests it might be worth having a way to > pay for things, particularly medical consultancy and treatment. > > I tentatively propose Cash. Not really sure if it's a useful > addition or a fiddly extra variable. We'll see. } > > Rename Rule 11 to "Body, Soul and Cash" and reword it to:- > > Each Player has a number of Body Points, Soul Points and Cash > Points, adjusted by various events in the game. These Points are > part of the Gamestate. > > Whenever a new Player joins the game, he or she has a hundred Body > Points, a thousand Cash Points, and Soul Points equal to the > average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). > > At midnight GMT every Monday, every Player gains a hundred Cash. > > Doc may replace "At midnight GMT every Monday" with any time > reference he feels appropriate, there. ACCEPTED. My first reaction was, "Oh, no, not another Gamestate entity". But thinking about it, this does round out the theme nicely -- after all, body, soul, medication, and money are the things a hospital transacts most! Using pills as currency has a certain dark appeal, and is still possible; but having some white market currency is, I think, good. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:37:35 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:37:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 37669 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:37:35 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828E53@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:37:35 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA20938; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Waiting List / Cash References: <9181fe+odv6@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:37:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:35:26 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Doc may replace "At midnight GMT every Monday" with any time > reference he feels appropriate, there. It'll be during office hours. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:40:18 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:40:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 45557 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:41:22 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828EBC@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:39:57 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA21540; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:39:56 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Waiting List / Cash References: <9181fe+odv6@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:39:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:35:26 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu I'll also have the Nurse hand out 1000 cash to each Player, since I'm sure Kevan intended to put that in his rule but forgot. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:43:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:43:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 21997 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:43:12 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828F6B@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:42:59 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA22013; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:42:58 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] PROPOSAL: Ammend Rule 10 (adding diseases) References: <918irt+10djs@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:42:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:32:13 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Ammend Rule 10 to add the following text concerning Diseases: > ------------begin text --------------------------------- > Any use of "[[ text ]]" should be construed as a non-rule comment. > > Addiction (Psychosis) > Once a week, during Office Hours, the player with the most pills > (regardless of color) is designated the "Addict" for the upcoming > week. > > The Addict may not take any Action that reduces the number of pills > in eir possession except to take a pill (or have the Nurse administer > a pill to em). [[Thus, e could trade 1 red for 2 green, but not 2 > greens for one red. E could also take any number of pills]]. > > Addicts are fragile things, and therefore lose 3 body and 5 soul > points at the beginning of the week they are designated the Addict. > In addition, the Addict must take 1 red pill in order to [[overcome > eir fear and]] make a Proposal. > In any non-proposal message they send to the public newsgroup the > addict must in some way ask for a pill. Failure to do so will cause > the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed > out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued > as an action for the next Office Hours. > ------------------end text--------------------- > Feyd ACCEPTED. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:48:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:48:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 87435 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:48:11 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828FE7@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:48:12 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA22827; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:48:11 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Migraine / Phobias References: <91ailu+10eo3@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:48:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:41:18 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 53 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Proposal - Tense, Nervous, Headache > > Add a new Disease:- > > Migraine (Non-Contagious) > During Office Hours:- > > * All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and 'x' Soul Points. > * All other Players each have an 'x' per cent chance of > contracting a Migraine. > > ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since the > end of the previous Office Hours. Each Green Pill a Player takes > has a 50% chance of curing them of this Disease. ACCEPTED. 1 green pill (and 1 for Kevan's earlier accepted proposal (and 1 for Feyd's, too (you getting all this, Nurse?))) > Proposal - Claustrophobia and Agoraphobia > > Add two new Diseases:- > > Claustrophobia (Psychosis) > Whenever a Rule is repealed, all Players with Claustrophobia lose > 5 Soul Points, all Players with Agorophobia gain 5 Soul Points, > and there is a 50% chance of the Rule's original Proposer > contracting Claustrophobia. > > If a Player with Claustrophobia contracts Agoraphobia, they are > cured of Claustrophobia. > > Agoraphobia (Psychosis) > Whenever a new Rule is enacted, all Players with Agoraphobia lose > 5 Soul Points, all Players with Claustrophobia gain 5 Soul Points, > and each Player (other than the Rule's Proposer) has an 'x' per > cent chance of contracting Agoraphobia, where 'x' is the highest > Rule number in the Ruleset. > > If a Player with Agoraphobia contracts Claustrophobia, they are > cured of Agoraphobia. > > To the Rule "Body and Soul", add the paragraph:- > > Body Points and Soul Points have a defined range. If either is less > than zero for any Player, it is set to zero. If either is above 120, > it is set to 120. ACCEPTED. One more green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:48:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:48:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 69683 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:49:48 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828FEA@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:48:42 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA22945; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:48:41 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission References: <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:48:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Mark Nau"'s message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Mark Nau" writes: > To create a new rule entitled "Pill Exchange" > > A player wishing to make a pill exchange shall notify the Nurse of the > exchange e wants to make, and the Nurse shall adjust the number of pills > that player owns, provided the exchange is explicitly authorized by the > Ruleset. > > A player may exchange two green pills for one red pill. > A player may exchange one red pill and one blue pill for one yellow pill. ACCEPTED. One green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:50:08 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:50:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 98352 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:50:08 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828FF5@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:50:08 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA23349; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:50:07 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission References: <4.1.20001214131056.0169b848@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:50:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:36:30 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 48 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > [The following proposal removes the section called "Nurse" in Rule 14 and > makes it its own rule for additions and modifications.] > > === > > I hereby propose the following: > > Proposal 1: > Amend Rule 14 removing the Section labeled "Nurse". > > Proposal 2: > Create a new Rule [15?] labeled "Nurse" which states the following: > > The name of the player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the > gamestate. The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions. As compensation > for such duties, the Nurse shall receive 2 soul points, 5 body points, and > 3 additional green pills during each Office Hours to keep em healthy. > > If a player wants to take a pill, e notifies that nurse of it via email. > The Nurse shall then administer (adjust) the number of pills that player > owns according to the notification. > > When the Nurse administers pills, e must also take one green pill as > preventive medicine, lose 1 body point for being exposed to infection, and > gain 1 soul point for being such a good player. If the Nurse fails to take > the preventive medicine before the next Office Hours, e shall lose 5 body > points and 3 soul points for being so foolish. > > The Nurse shall be deemed "susceptible to infection" when eir body points > is below 75. At this point, the Nurse will be infected with any disease or > disorder that e administers pills for. If eir body points is below 35, Doc > must choose a new Nurse to take over. The Nurse may convert eir soul points > to body points at a ration of 2:1 at any time to stay "h