From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 4 23:45:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23345 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:35:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-5.iastate.edu (pop-5.iastate.edu [129.186.1.65]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23342 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:35:38 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-5.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA19119 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:35:39 -0500 Received: (qmail 4056 invoked by uid 500); 5 Sep 2000 04:34:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000905043428.4054.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Nomic: new draft ruleset From: Joel Uckelman Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:34:28 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Here, submitted for your approval, is a (thoroughly) revised draft ruleset. Though some things *are* different, many (I would contend most) elements of the game are similar to their old counterparts. Three things I'd like to point out: 1. The extent to which this has been proofread is inconsistent--I spell- checked it, but I haven't recently read through the whole thing to check for grammar and other typos, though I have corrected everything I spotted along the way. Additionally, rules written at widely disparite times may vary somewhat in terminology--something which I'd also like to correct. 2. There are no precedence rules. Depending on what people say about this, it may remain this way. All the same, this should be given some mention in the rules. 3. The judicial system detailed herein is intended to get us by until we come up with something better in-game. I am not putting it forth as a model of what I think we should ultimately settle on, as I think there are quite a few serious flaws in it. I'd like to start playing again as soon as possible--please look this over when you get a chance. -- The Game [game name] shall refer to the specific instance of Nomic game which possesses the body of rules containing this definition, unless it is made clear, whether explicitly or via the context, that [game name] refers to something else. To this end, all permutations of letter case of [game name] shall be considered equivalent. -- Follow the Rules All game entities must always abide by all the Rules then in effect, in the form in which they are then in effect. This Rule takes precedence over all other Rules. -- The Ruleset The Ruleset is the collective body of current Rule versions. The Ruleset may be altered only as provided therein. -- Rule Numbering Rule numbers are serial numbers for the Ruleset. The base Rule number is 300. -- Revision Numbers Revision numbers are serial numbers for Rule and Proposal versions. The base revision number is 0. -- Versions Every modification to a Proposal or Rule that does not withdraw or repeal it creates a new version of it. -- Rule Changes A Rule Change is the enactment, repeal, amendment, or transmutation of a rule. Rule Changes are a type of State Change. -- Self-Reference and Self-Application in Rules Rule Changes that affect Rules needed to allow or apply Rule Changes are as permissible as other Rule Changes. Even Rule Changes that amend or repeal their own authority are permissible. No Rule Change is impermissible solely on account its self-reference or self-application. -- Permissibility of the Unprohibited Whatever is not prohibited or regulated by the Ruleset is permitted and unregulated, with the sole exception of Rule Changes, which are permitted only when a Rule or set of Rules explicitly or implicitly permits them. -- State Changes Any change to the game state is a State Change. -- Recognition of Actions Each Officer is responsible for recognizing, in a timely fashion, a particular subset of Agentic actions. The Administrator is responsible for recognizing actions not specifically within the jurisdiction of any other Officer. Every action falls within the jurisdiction of at least one Officer. An action is considered recognized when the appropriate Officer responds to it as specified in the Rules. If no response is specified in the Rules, said action is considered recognized when the appropriate Officer records it in eir Nweekly Report. -- Names Names of game entities may contain alpha-numeric, punctuation, and whitespace characters only. Names must be at least one but no more than 255 characters in length. All game entities must have uniquely identifying names. -- Name Changes An entity may initiate changing its name to another uniquely identifying name by notifying the Administrator. The Administrator shall, in a timely fashion, record the name-change on the Roster. Entities may change only their own names. -- Agents An Agent is an entity capable of action. The status of entities as Agents may be altered only as specified in the rules. An entity may cause emself to lose eir Agency, but may not, solely on eir own authority become an Agent. -- Players A Player is an Agent who is capable of passing the Turing Test, consents to said designation as a Player, and has become a Player in the manner proscribed in the Rules. -- Initial Players During the first nweek of play, any Agent otherwise qualified as a Player may become one by publicly declaring eir desire to be so. -- Motion to Add Players Any Agent otherwise qualified as a Player may become one if a Motion to Add naming em is adopted. A Motion to Add may be made by any Player at any time, and is adopted if its passage ratio is at least two-thirds. -- The Roster The Roster is a list of all Players. Whenever a new Player is added, or a Player forfeits, the Administrator shall update the Roster to reflect that change. -- Forfeit A Player may forfeit at any time by declaring publicly eir intention to do so. No restrictions may be placed on when a Player may forfeit. -- Offices and Officers A Player holding an Office is an Officer. Officers have certain duties and privileges by virtue of their Offices, as specified in the descriptions of eir respective Offices. Offices are unique, and may be held by no more than one Player at a time unless explicitly allowed in the Rules. Offices may change hands only as allowed in the Rules. -- Resignation An Officer may resign from eir office at any time by declaring publicly eir intention to do so. The Office then becomes vacant, and the Administrator assumes an Officer's duties until such time as the Office is again filled. -- Terms of Office The Term of Office for an Office is five nweeks, unless otherwise specified in the Rules. -- Officer Succession An Officer ceases to hold eir Office Upon expiration of eir Term unless e is eir own successor. An Officer shall convey to eir successor, in a timely fashion following the expiration of eir Term, all materials necessary to carry out the duties of the Office. -- Nweekly Reports Each Officer shall, during each nweek, issue a Report summarizing actions during that nweek falling within eir jurisdiction. -- The Administrator The Administrator is the Officer responsible for all game duties not assigned by the Rules to other Officers. The Player whose real name is Joel Uckelman is the Administrator. The Administrator holds Office in perpetuity. -- Days and Nweeks One Nomic Week, hereafter know as a nweek, is ten days in duration. The first nweek begins concurrently with the first game day. Each successive nweek begins concurrently with the end of the previous week. Each game day begins at 00:00:00 UTC. -- Nweekly Voting Voting on a nweek's Ballot opens at the start of the eighth day of that nweek, and closes at the end of the tenth day of that nweek. -- The Ballot The Administrator shall, prior to the close of voting each nweek, distribute to all Players the Ballot for that nweek. Each nweek's Ballot shall list all Ballot Issues for the nweek. -- Ballot Issues The following become Ballot Issues at the start of a nweek's voting: 1. Proposals then active 2. Motions requiring a vote introduced since the previous nweek's voting 3. Elections to replace elected Officers whose terms expire that nweek 4. Elections to fill vacant elected Offices -- Proposals A Proposal, when submitted, must consist of one or more Legislative Orders--the text--and optionally, a title. If it is a revision to an existing Proposal, it must also include the Proposal identification number. -- Recognition and Numbering of Proposals The Administrator shall, within a reasonable time after receiving a new Proposal, assign it the next Proposal number and a revision number. The Administrator shall, within a reasonable time after receiving a revised Proposal, assign it a revision number. A new Proposal is not officially recognized until it is assigned a serial number. A revised Proposal is not officially recognized until its revision number is assigned. -- Proposal Numbering Proposal numbers are serial numbers for Proposals. The base serial number for Proposals is 300. -- Proposal Submission and Alteration An Agent may submit a new Proposal whenever e owns fewer than ten live Proposals and has submitted fewer than ten new Proposals that day. The Agent who submits a Proposal is its owner. Only the owner of a Proposal may alter it, but only if the Proposal is both live and not on the nweek's Ballot. The owner of a live Proposal not on the nweek's ballot may alter its title or text, activate it if it is inactive, deactivate it if it is active, or withdraw it from consideration. Only the owner may take such action. -- Proposal Status Proposals withdrawn or conclusively voted on are "dead"; all other Proposals are "live". Proposals on the Ballot become dead upon the close of voting, regardless of the outcome of the vote, unless a quorum was not achieved. Live Proposals not deactivated are "active"; all other Live Proposals are "inactive". Dead Proposals withdrawn are "withdrawn"; dead Proposals adopted are "passed"; all other dead Proposals are "failed". -- Adoption of Proposals A Proposal is adopted iff, at the close of voting, its passage ratio exceeds one-half. Legislative Orders in the text of an adopted Proposal shall be executed in a timely fashion by the appropriate Officers. -- Secret Voting A Player may vote privately if e so desires by notifying the Administrator. Votes cast privately shall not be revealed until voting ends. -- Eligible Voters Every Player is an eligible voter on each Ballot Issue. Other Agents may be eligible voters, as allowed by the Rules. -- One Vote Each Each eligible voter may cast one vote on each Ballot Issue. -- Vote Counting Only votes equivalent to "yes" or "no" are counted toward adoption of Proposals and Motions. Abstentions and other non-committal votes are considered neutral. Only votes cast during voting are counted for voting purposes. The Administrator shall, in a timely fashion after its closure, tally the votes and make known the results of voting. -- Quorum Quorum is achieved when a simple majority of eligible voters cast votes on any Ballot Issue. If quorum is not met for a nweek's voting: 1. all Ballot Item Proposals revert to their previous state 2. all Ballot Item Motions fail 3. all Ballot Item Elections are held again in the next nweek -- Majority For a given r, an r-majority shall be defined as a function from the positive integers to the positive integers, whose value for an argument N is the smallest integer m such that m is greater than or equal to r multiplied by N. A simple majority shall be defined as an (N+1)/(2N)-majority. -- Serial Numbers The serial number for the nth element of a set P is defined as (b + n), where b is the base serial number for P. -- Ratio of Passage The passage ratio for a Proposal or Motion shall be defined as the ratio of favorable votes to non-neutral votes received during voting on the Proposal or Motion. -- Spivak Pronouns The following table entries, known as Spivak pronouns, shall be understood to replace the standard English third person pronouns with which they are paired. The Spivak pronouns shall be understood to refer to either gender, as appropriate. [[Example: "e" may refer either to "he" or "she".]] Spivak standard subject e he/she object em him/her possessive eir/eirs his/hers reflexive emself himself/herself -- Comments The following two non-whitespace characters: [ ] are considered "reserved characters when appearing in Official Documents in ways defined herein. Excepting any text in the Rule prior to and including this sentence, any text appearing within doubled square brackets ("[[" and "]]") shall be considered "comment" text. Comment text shall not have the force of Rule; its purpose is solely elucidative or demonstrative. -- Motions A Motion is a type of action which, if adopted, causes a State Change. A Motion is adopted iff it receives unanimous consent or in the nweek it appears as a Ballot Item, the appropriate majority of votes. Only Motions defined in the Rules have effect if adopted. -- Unanimous Consent An Agent introducing a Motion may request unanimous consent at the time of introduction, unless the Rules explicitly prohibit it. Unanimous consent is granted if no eligible voters object within one day of the Motion's introduction. -- Fora Fora are the means by which Players communicate. All Fora are either public or private. A Player using a Forum is considered to be "in" that Forum at the time of its use. Actions may be taken only in public Fora, unless otherwise specified in the Rules. -- Redesignation of Fora The Administrator may designate a Forum public if it is reasonably accessible to all Players. The Administrator may designate a Forum private only if it is not the sole extant public Forum. Only the Administrator may redesignate Fora. The Administrator shall maintain a list of public Fora. -- Twilight of the Fora If at any time there exist no public Fora, the Administrator shall take such steps as are necessary to designate one. Designation of a Forum as public when there are no extant public Fora need not [[and cannot!]] be done publicly. -- Score Associated with each Agent is a scalar quantity known as eir Score, the unit of which is the Point. No Agent may voluntarily reduce eir Score to less than zero Points, nor may a Player arbitrarily increase eir Score. All Scores are initially 0 Points. -- Opposed Minority Scoring The Administrator shall, in a timely fashion following the close of nweekly voting, for each Proposal adopted during that voting, credit each Agent who voted against the adopted Proposal with a number of Points equaling 5 times its passage ratio. -- Failed Proposal Scoring The Administrator shall, in a timely fashion following the close of nweekly voting, for each Proposal failed during that voting, debit the owner of the failed Proposal 5 Points. -- Adopted Proposal Scoring The Administrator shall, in a timely fashion following the close of nweekly voting, for each Proposal adopted during that voting, credit the owner of the adopted Proposal an number of Points equaling 20 times its passage ratio. -- Winning Whenever an Agent's score reaches or exceeds 500 points, the Administrator shall credit em with a Win. -- Post-Win Reset In the event of a Win being awarded, the Administrator shall reset all Scores to their initial value. If possible, play continues normally; otherwise, play ceases. -- Impossibility of Further Play In the event that further play becomes impossible, or if the legality of an action cannot be determined with finality, then the Administrator shall credit with a Win the Agent who took the action. -- Timing of Events Actions occur upon reaching the appropriate Fora. Non-action events--i.e., events not caused by Agent--occur at exactly the times specified in the Rules. Events may occur only in the present, and may not alter the past. -- Orders An Order is a command directed to some Agent, known a the recipient, requiring em to perform exactly one action, or to refrain from performing one or more actions. Any Order that does not unambiguously specify what action is to be taken in its execution may be declared invalid by the Courts. An Order must be either Legislative, Administrative, Judicial, or Private. -- Legislative Orders A Legislative Order is an Order issued in consequence of the adoption of a Proposal. Rule Changes may be affected only through the issuance of Legislative Orders. -- Administrative Orders An Administrative Order is an Order issued by an Officer in the the course of performing the duties of that Office. -- Judicial Orders A Judicial Order is an Order issued by a Judge or Appeals Court in conjunction with eir Judicial duties. A Judge may, in the course of making a Judgment, issue one or more Judicial Orders to bring the game state into accord with the result of the Judgment. -- Private Orders A Private Order is any Order that is not Legislative, Administrative, or Judicial. -- Execution of Orders An Agent who is the recipient of an Order must execute the Order in a timely fashion. -- Vacation of Orders An Order later found to be invalid may be vacated by a Judicial Order. In the event that an Order is vacated, the Agent who executed it shall, if possible, take such actions as to reverse the effects of the Order. -- Requests for Judgment An Agent may, at any time, initiate judicial proceedings in any matter by making a Request for Judgment. That Agent shall be known as the Plaintiff with regard to the Request. A Request for Judgment consists of a Statement to be judged, and analysis as the Plaintiff deems appropriate. -- Recognition of Requests Within a reasonable time after receipt of a Request for Judgment, the Administrator shall assign the Request the next Judgment number, and shall select a Judge to handle the Request as per the Rules on Judge selection. -- Judge Selection The following are excluded from serving as Judges on a Request for Judgment: 1. the Plaintiff 2. Judges previously recused from the Request If these exclusions leave no Players eligible to serve as Judge, exclusions may be waived from highest-numbered to lowest until at least one Player becomes eligible. -- Judgments A Judge shall, within three days of eir selection, give one of the following responses to the Request for Judgment to which e was assigned, accompanied by analysis and Judicial Orders as appropriate: 1. Refused: A Judge may refuse to hear the Request if it lacks a clear Statement or is not germain to the game. 2. True: The Statement is true. 3. False: The Statement is false. 4. Undecided: It cannot be determined at the time of the Judgment whether the Statement is true or false. -- Recusal of Judges The Administrator shall, in a timely fashion, recuse any Judge failing to issue a Judgment within three days of eir selection, and replace em with a new Judge. -- Legal Precedent A Judgment shall guide interpretation of the Rules until such time as a subsequent Judgment contradicts it. A Judge reversing or modifying past precedent shall provide in eir analysis justification for doing so. -- -- J. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Tue Sep 12 10:35:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28419 for nomic-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:28:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-1.iastate.edu (pop-1.iastate.edu [129.186.1.61]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28416 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:28:25 -0500 Received: from cs.utexas.edu (cs.utexas.edu [128.83.139.9]) by pop-1.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11668 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:28:25 -0500 Received: from muenster.cs.utexas.edu (activist@muenster.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.120.131]) by cs.utexas.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24419 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:28:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from activist@localhost) by muenster.cs.utexas.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02981; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:28:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:28:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Bradley To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Nomic: draft ruleset (motions) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu >From reading the rules it seems to me that there are three types of actions that a player may induce: proposals, motions, and orders. Proposals and orders are covered (and covered well in my opinion) but motions have no rules about timing or responsibility. When do adopted motions go into effect and who is responsible for implementing them (Administrator?)? - You have received mail from Benjamin Bradley. C'est ne pas un e-mail. - http://lostpoet.tripod.com/ - whee life what a rush From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Tue Sep 12 12:05:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29433 for nomic-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:57:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-3.iastate.edu (pop-3.iastate.edu [129.186.1.63]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29430 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:57:55 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-3.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17950 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:57:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 3065 invoked by uid 500); 12 Sep 2000 16:56:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000912165640.3063.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: draft ruleset (motions) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:28:24 CDT." From: Joel Uckelman Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:56:40 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Benjamin Bradley wrote: > >From reading the rules it seems to me that there are three types of > actions that a player may induce: proposals, motions, and orders. > Proposals and orders are covered (and covered well in my opinion) but > motions have no rules about timing or responsibility. When do > adopted motions go into effect and who is responsible for implementing > them (Administrator?)? > I think this addresses the problem you mention, by adding a class of Orders resulting from the passage of Motions. -- Motion to Add Any Agent otherwise qualified as a Player may become one if a Motion to Add naming em is adopted. Motions to Add are Privileged Motions. A Motion to Add is adopted if its passage ratio is at least two-thirds. The Motive Order corresponding to an adopted Motion to Add directs the Administrator to add the named Agent to the Roster. -- Motions A Motion consists of one or more potential Motive Orders, as specified in the Rules specific to the Motion. Motions may be Privileged or Restricted. Privileged Motions may be made by any Player at any time, while Restricted Motions may be made only as specified in their respective Rules. -- Recognition of Motions The Administrator shall, within a reasonable time after receiving a new Motion, assign it the next Motion number. A new Motion is not officially recognized until it is assigned a serial number. -- Motion Numbering Motion numbers are serial numbers for Motions. The base serial number for Motions is 1. -- Adoption of Motions A Motion is adopted iff it receives unanimous consent, or at the close of voting, its passage ratio exceeds one-half. Motive Orders in an adopted Motion shall be executed in a timely fashion by the appropriate Officers. Only Motions defined in the Rules have effect if adopted. -- -- J. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Tue Sep 12 18:35:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11981 for nomic-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:30:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-5.iastate.edu (pop-5.iastate.edu [129.186.1.65]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11978 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:30:58 -0500 Received: from cs.utexas.edu (cs.utexas.edu [128.83.139.9]) by pop-5.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22755 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:30:57 -0500 Received: from muenster.cs.utexas.edu (activist@muenster.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.120.131]) by cs.utexas.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19469 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:30:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from activist@localhost) by muenster.cs.utexas.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04144; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:30:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:30:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Bradley To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Nomic: draft ruleset Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu I approve of the rules governing Motions. Do we have anything in the rules defining "a reasonable amount of time" maybe define this as 1nweek? - You have received mail from Benjamin Bradley. C'est ne pas un e-mail. - http://lostpoet.tripod.com/ - whee life what a rush From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Tue Sep 12 20:45:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13053 for nomic-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:43:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-1.iastate.edu (pop-1.iastate.edu [129.186.1.61]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13050 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:43:31 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-1.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA32035 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:43:31 -0500 Received: (qmail 3711 invoked by uid 500); 13 Sep 2000 01:42:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20000913014215.3709.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: draft ruleset In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:30:56 CDT." From: Joel Uckelman Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:42:15 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Quoth Benjamin Bradley: > I approve of the rules governing Motions. > > Do we have anything in the rules defining "a reasonable amount of time" > maybe define this as 1nweek? > I purposely left that as an open question. At least initially, I would be the only player required to do anything in a reasonable amount of time anyway, so we should be able to decide it in-game. -- J. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Tue Sep 12 20:55:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13125 for nomic-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:47:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-5.iastate.edu (pop-5.iastate.edu [129.186.1.65]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13122 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:47:03 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-5.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12857 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:47:03 -0500 Received: (qmail 3727 invoked by uid 500); 13 Sep 2000 01:45:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000913014548.3725.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Nomic: game name From: Joel Uckelman Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:45:48 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu I'm going to set up the game account at nomic.net soon, but I would like the account name to correspond to the game name. This is difficult if I do not know what the game's name will be. Should we stick with Berserker? Does anyone have suggestions for a new name? -- J. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Tue Sep 12 21:15:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13345 for nomic-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:14:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-2.iastate.edu (pop-2.iastate.edu [129.186.1.62]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13342 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:14:27 -0500 Received: from pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.172]) by pop-2.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32258 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:14:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA10883 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:14:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009130214.VAA10883@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:45:48 CDT." <20000913014548.3725.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:14:27 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Joel Uckelman sprach: >I'm going to set up the game account at nomic.net soon, but I would like >the account name to correspond to the game name. This is difficult if >I do not know what the game's name will be. Should we stick with >Berserker? Does anyone have suggestions for a new name? I hate that name. Josh -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Wed Sep 13 01:05:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16234 for nomic-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:02:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-3.iastate.edu (pop-3.iastate.edu [129.186.1.63]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16231 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:02:01 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-3.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA26645 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:02:02 -0500 Received: (qmail 4000 invoked by uid 500); 13 Sep 2000 06:00:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000913060046.3998.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:14:27 CDT." <200009130214.VAA10883@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> From: Joel Uckelman Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:00:46 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Quoth Wbfu Xbegorva: > > Joel Uckelman sprach: > >I'm going to set up the game account at nomic.net soon, but I would like > >the account name to correspond to the game name. This is difficult if > >I do not know what the game's name will be. Should we stick with > >Berserker? Does anyone have suggestions for a new name? > > I hate that name. Yes, I knew that. A long time ago. I'm not terribly fond of it myself anymore. Have you a better idea? Here are a few I've come up with. I don't know how well they would wear: Lexinomic (lex is the Latin root for "law") Zeta Nomic (in recognition of this being our sixth game, by my count) No-miq (inspired by mu-siq, a drum and bass/experimental group) TNFKAB (The Nomic Formerly Known as Berserker) ASCII (0x07) Nomic (proposed last time, system bells are fun) Brave Corporate Logo Nomic (a Simpsons reference, Mr. Sparkle) Gin and Nomic with a Twist of Lime Smairf/Spuvice Nomic The Nomic that Devoured London (a _Gravity's Rainbow_ reference) Anomic (very descriptive--our game will indeed be "A nomic") -- J. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Wed Sep 13 01:45:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16470 for nomic-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:36:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-3.iastate.edu (pop-3.iastate.edu [129.186.1.63]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16467 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:36:04 -0500 Received: from pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.172]) by pop-3.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30104 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:36:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA11503 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:36:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009130636.BAA11503@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:00:46 CDT." <20000913060046.3998.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:36:04 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Joel Uckelman sprach: >Quoth Wbfu Xbegorva: >> >> Joel Uckelman sprach: >> >I'm going to set up the game account at nomic.net soon, but I would like >> >the account name to correspond to the game name. This is difficult if >> >I do not know what the game's name will be. Should we stick with >> >Berserker? Does anyone have suggestions for a new name? >> >> I hate that name. > >Yes, I knew that. A long time ago. I'm not terribly fond of it myself >anymore. Have you a better idea? > >Here are a few I've come up with. I don't know how well they would wear: > >Lexinomic (lex is the Latin root for "law") >Zeta Nomic (in recognition of this being our sixth game, by my count) >No-miq (inspired by mu-siq, a drum and bass/experimental group) >TNFKAB (The Nomic Formerly Known as Berserker) No Berserker! >ASCII (0x07) Nomic (proposed last time, system bells are fun) >Brave Corporate Logo Nomic (a Simpsons reference, Mr. Sparkle) Iowa State University Nomic Concern Josh -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Wed Sep 13 10:25:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21443 for nomic-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:17:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-3.iastate.edu (pop-3.iastate.edu [129.186.1.63]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21440 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:17:16 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-3.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA17514 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:17:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 4395 invoked by uid 510); 13 Sep 2000 15:16:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000913151600.4394.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:38:36 CDT." <200009131438.JAA27324@isua1.iastate.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:16:00 -0500 From: Matt Potter Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu > Lexinomic (lex is the Latin root for "law") > Zeta Nomic (in recognition of this being our sixth game, by my count) Oh. I thought this was inspired by Joel's love for the ass of a certain actress. Silly me. > No-miq (inspired by mu-siq, a drum and bass/experimental group) Could call it "dentist drill Nomic" while we're at it. (Yeah, I know, the "dentist drill" track was prolly by some other group, but one experimental group or another, same same, five dolla, numba ten.) Actually, Dentist Drill Nomic would probably describe the experience of this nomic game fairly well. %) > TNFKAB (The Nomic Formerly Known as Berserker) Blech. Let's change it to a non-phonetic symbol while we're at it. Couple other dumb ideas off the top of my head: GNAFG (GNAFG's Not A Fucking Nomic; yeah I'm clever alright) Fucking Nomic (while we're on the subject) Crazy Drunken Joel Nomic (self-explanitory; alternatively, it could be Joel, the Crazy Drunken Nomic) A Scattered and Wandering Tribe of Nomic Nomic: a Palladium Sourcebook for Rifts(tm) (admittedly a weak entry, as well as the alternate version, Nomic: a GURPS Sourcebook. There's already a Nomic: the Masquerade out there, so we can't very well make fun of White Wolf) then there's always Cyclone Nomic and Jack Trice Ruleset, although no one from ISU would get the joke, and I might be accused of having some sort of school spirit with a name like that. Subtitled Nomic ("I bet it makes more sense in the original Japanese") and of course, when all else fails there's always Fred's Sister (And Her Chinchilla). Hm. For the life of me, I can't think of any creative puns on a Greek root, or amusingly obscure references to pre-19th-century sociopolitical movements. This probably means something. Like I'm st00pid, maybe. Potter [end note: perusing the "Net Nomic Database," I see four blank bullets at the top of the list. I wonder if that's from four different games having the amazing bright idea of "hey, let's make the name of our game a whitespace character"?] From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Wed Sep 13 14:25:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24807 for nomic-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:19:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-2.iastate.edu (pop-2.iastate.edu [129.186.1.62]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24804 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:19:40 -0500 Received: from cs.utexas.edu (cs.utexas.edu [128.83.139.9]) by pop-2.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31663 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:19:40 -0500 Received: from muenster.cs.utexas.edu (activist@muenster.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.120.131]) by cs.utexas.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15266 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:19:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from activist@localhost) by muenster.cs.utexas.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06433; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:19:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:19:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Bradley To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name In-Reply-To: <20000913060046.3998.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu how about: Me Risk Corn Beer Rice Men or Krebs Sir Ben McKee, O.R.R. Rib Neck Remorse I Screen Kerr Mobb Born Creek Miser Ken Is Rob Mercer Ben Morris Creek Beer Neck Morris Sombre Eric Kern these are anagrams for Berserker Nomic (I like the last 2 the best) From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Wed Sep 13 19:45:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28029 for nomic-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:37:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-2.iastate.edu (pop-2.iastate.edu [129.186.1.62]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28026 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:37:51 -0500 Received: from adamtj.adamtj.com (welch-roberts-176-232.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.176.232]) by pop-2.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11559 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:37:51 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=adamtj) by adamtj.adamtj.com with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13ZN2E-0005Ud-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:37:50 -0500 From: Adam Tomjack To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:37:42 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.90] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20000913014548.3725.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> In-Reply-To: <20000913014548.3725.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00091319374201.00270@adamtj> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, you wrote: > I'm going to set up the game account at nomic.net soon, but I would like > the account name to correspond to the game name. This is difficult if > I do not know what the game's name will be. Should we stick with > Berserker? Does anyone have suggestions for a new name? Johnny Mnomic nonomonomic - the nameless nomic Bob #!/bin/ksh - might be better if the Korn shell were called korn. Must the name be representable in ASCII? We could use unicode and translate the following to chinese: the dream to become an emperor, shattered by a lemming on Thursday... How about the first 6 guitar chords in the song "Yellow Submarine" by the Beatles? "Name" by the Goo Goo Dolls? Or we could make the name whatever the root password on Joel's desktop computer happens to be. -- Adam Tomjack adamtj@adamtj.com http://www.adamtj.com From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Wed Sep 13 19:55:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28131 for nomic-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:46:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-2.iastate.edu (pop-2.iastate.edu [129.186.1.62]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28128 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:46:32 -0500 Received: from pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.173]) by pop-2.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13033 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:46:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA21267 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:46:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009140046.TAA21267@pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:37:42 CDT." <00091319374201.00270@adamtj> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:46:32 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Adam Tomjack sprach: >How about the first 6 guitar chords in the song "Yellow Submarine" by the >Beatles? "Name" by the Goo Goo Dolls? Yo, if the name involves Goo Goo Dolls songs I'm quitting before we start. Josh -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Wed Sep 13 20:15:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28280 for nomic-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:14:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-5.iastate.edu (pop-5.iastate.edu [129.186.1.65]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28277 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:14:25 -0500 Received: from adamtj.adamtj.com (welch-roberts-176-232.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.176.232]) by pop-5.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17416 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:14:25 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=adamtj) by adamtj.adamtj.com with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13ZNbc-0005WL-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:14:24 -0500 From: Adam Tomjack To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Nomic: cout << nomic.get_num_players(); Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:14:24 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.90] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00091320142403.00270@adamtj> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu How many people intend to play? What needs to be done before beginning? -- Adam Tomjack adamtj@adamtj.com http://www.adamtj.com From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Wed Sep 13 20:16:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28266 for nomic-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:09:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-1.iastate.edu (pop-1.iastate.edu [129.186.1.61]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28263 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:09:10 -0500 Received: from adamtj.adamtj.com (welch-roberts-176-232.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.176.232]) by pop-1.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23838 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:09:10 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=adamtj) by adamtj.adamtj.com with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13ZNWX-0005W7-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:09:09 -0500 From: Adam Tomjack To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:09:09 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.90] Content-Type: text/plain References: <200009140046.TAA21267@pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu> In-Reply-To: <200009140046.TAA21267@pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00091320090902.00270@adamtj> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu (Wed, 13 Sep 2000) Thus Spake Wbfu Xbegorva: > Adam Tomjack sprach: > >How about the first 6 guitar chords in the song "Yellow Submarine" by the > >Beatles? "Name" by the Goo Goo Dolls? > > Yo, if the name involves Goo Goo Dolls songs I'm quitting before > we start. How about the song "LOSER" by Beck? ;-) Seriously though, I don't know of any other bands that sing songs called "Name." How about we use the notes for the first syx sillables of "Puff the Majick Dragon"? (I know the rules of written English require that I put my question mark before the quotation mark, but in this case the tradition is wrong. Plus, I think I can take Potter.) -- Adam Tomjack adamtj@adamtj.com http://www.adamtj.com From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Wed Sep 13 20:25:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28354 for nomic-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:18:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-2.iastate.edu (pop-2.iastate.edu [129.186.1.62]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28351 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:18:03 -0500 Received: from pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.173]) by pop-2.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17966 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:18:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA21380 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:18:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009140118.UAA21380@pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: cout << nomic.get_num_players(); In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:14:24 CDT." <00091320142403.00270@adamtj> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:18:03 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Adam Tomjack sprach: >How many people intend to play? jschrodr@iastate.edu apalecek@iastate.edu mjens00@iastate.edu mvstang@iastate.edu exodus@iastate.edu palnatoke@get2net.dk uckelman@iastate.edu wald7330@mach1.wlu.ca kortbein@iastate.edu rcarbol@home.com tplagge@iastate.edu ellefson@iastate.edu activist@cs.utexas.edu apresh@iastate.edu pedro.graca@storaenso.com hugh.toner@tvc.ie adamtj@iastate.edu Purreciousss@aol.com mctupper@holly.colostate.edu zagarna@yahoo.com valkyrie@eskimo.com inertia@ellipsis.cx 22 subscribers If it's more than 22 then they're not on the list. (It may be less than 22, too.) Josh -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Wed Sep 13 20:26:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28371 for nomic-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:23:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-4.iastate.edu (pop-4.iastate.edu [129.186.1.64]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28368 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:23:32 -0500 Received: from pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.173]) by pop-4.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11371 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:23:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA21433 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:23:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009140123.UAA21433@pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:09:09 CDT." <00091320090902.00270@adamtj> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:23:32 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Adam Tomjack sprach: >Seriously though, I don't know of any other bands that sing songs called >"Name." How about we use the notes for the first syx sillables of "Puff the 1. Joan of Arc 2. Rancid 3. Steve Lacy ... (see www.allmusic.com) This doesn't make the name "Name" any less dumb, though. >Majick Dragon"? (I know the rules of written English require that I put my >question mark before the quotation mark, but in this case the tradition is >wrong. Plus, I think I can take Potter.) The outside-quotes-punctuation usage is preferred by geeks (see the Jargon File for more on this) who value the preservation of quoted content (as strings "Dragon" and "Dragon?" are different) over namby-pamby rules enforced by old biddies with bifocals and permanently dour professional grammarians. But, Potter's pretty big. Josh -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Wed Sep 13 21:05:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28631 for nomic-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:58:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-1.iastate.edu (pop-1.iastate.edu [129.186.1.61]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28628 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:58:41 -0500 Received: from adamtj.adamtj.com (welch-roberts-176-232.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.176.232]) by pop-1.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30934 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:58:41 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=adamtj) by adamtj.adamtj.com with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13ZOIS-0005ei-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:58:40 -0500 From: Adam Tomjack To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:58:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.90] Content-Type: text/plain References: <200009140123.UAA21433@pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu> In-Reply-To: <200009140123.UAA21433@pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00091320584005.00270@adamtj> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu (Wed, 13 Sep 2000) Thus Spake Wbfu Xbegorva: > Adam Tomjack sprach: > >Seriously though, I don't know of any other bands that sing songs called > >"Name." How about we use the notes for the first syx sillables of "Puff > > the > > 1. Joan of Arc > 2. Rancid > 3. Steve Lacy > ... > > (see www.allmusic.com) > > This doesn't make the name "Name" any less dumb, though. "Name" shouldn't be the name of the Nomic. The first six guitar chords should be the name. Potter was talking about 31337 speak (or something like that) and how it is a language that can't generally be pronounced. How about something that can't be written? Not even as music. Perhaps our name could be a sneeze. -- Adam Tomjack adamtj@adamtj.com http://www.adamtj.com From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Wed Sep 13 21:55:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29078 for nomic-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:50:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-4.iastate.edu (pop-4.iastate.edu [129.186.1.64]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29075 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:50:21 -0500 Received: from mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.48]) by pop-4.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06747 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:50:21 -0500 Received: from home.com ([24.66.222.61]) by mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000914025020.RTJS620.mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:50:20 -0700 Message-ID: <39C03E1B.AA7AB9CE@home.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:55:23 -0600 From: Roger Carbol X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name References: <200009140123.UAA21433@pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu> <00091320584005.00270@adamtj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Adam Tomjack wrote: > Potter was talking about 31337 speak (or something like that) and how it is a > language that can't generally be pronounced. How about something that can't > be written? Not even as music. Perhaps our name could be a sneeze. Our name could be that feeling you get when you have a name on the tip of your tongue, but can't quite access it. Mere mortals could call it AphasiaNomic. .. Roger .. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Wed Sep 13 22:55:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29615 for nomic-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:49:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-2.iastate.edu (pop-2.iastate.edu [129.186.1.62]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29612 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:49:33 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-2.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11862 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:49:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 5301 invoked by uid 500); 14 Sep 2000 03:48:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000914034817.5299.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:55:23 MDT." <39C03E1B.AA7AB9CE@home.com> From: Joel Uckelman Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:48:17 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Quoth Roger Carbol: > Adam Tomjack wrote: > > > Potter was talking about 31337 speak (or something like that) and how it is > a > > language that can't generally be pronounced. How about something that can' > t > > be written? Not even as music. Perhaps our name could be a sneeze. > > > Our name could be that feeling you get when you have a name on the > tip of your tongue, but can't quite access it. > > Mere mortals could call it AphasiaNomic. There's a word for that in French, I believe. Fittingly enough, I can't seem to remember what it is, though. This is probably my favorite so far... -- J. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Wed Sep 13 23:15:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29828 for nomic-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:14:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-3.iastate.edu (pop-3.iastate.edu [129.186.1.63]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29825 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:14:49 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-3.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA08258 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:14:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 5418 invoked by uid 500); 14 Sep 2000 04:13:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000914041333.5416.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Nomic: names From: Joel Uckelman Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:13:33 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Some names have been suggested now, maybe we should wait a day or two to give everyone a chance to digest them or suggest a few more. I'd appreciate it if everyone with an opinion on the name issue would single out a few favorites so as to narrow down the list of choices. Thanks. -- J. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Thu Sep 14 10:25:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03468 for nomic-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:15:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-3.iastate.edu (pop-3.iastate.edu [129.186.1.63]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03465 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:15:26 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-3.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05564 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:15:26 -0500 Received: (qmail 5803 invoked by uid 510); 14 Sep 2000 15:14:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000914151409.5802.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:37:42 CDT." <00091319374201.00270@adamtj> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:14:09 -0500 From: Matt Potter Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu > Or we could make the name whatever the root password on Joel's desktop > computer happens to be. > Which, as we all know, is "fish rape." Arg. I just quoted teeny-John. I'm gonna go purge now. At work no less. Potter From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 18 21:25:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17615 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:15:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-1.iastate.edu (pop-1.iastate.edu [129.186.1.61]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17612 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:15:42 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-1.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA11247 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:15:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 14893 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2000 02:14:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000919021423.14891.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Nomic: game start and names From: Joel Uckelman Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:14:23 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Baring any objections, we will start the game one week from today. Sometime before then, I will get everything on the site, setup the mailing lists, and let everyone know where they are. As for the names this is a partial list of what was suggested: Anomic AphasiaNomic A Scattered and Wandering Tribe of Nomic ASCII (0x07) Nomic Lexinomic No-miq Nomonomic Smairf/Spuvice Nomic Subtitled Nomic Zeta Nomic I thought we might chose a name by first eliminating from the list names which we each dislike; hopefully the intersection of our collective preferences is not an empty set, and there will then be two or three left on which to vote. I've already eliminated the ones I don't like, anyone with an opinion on the matter should do the same and repost the remainder of the list. And if anyone thinks of a name that hasn't already been removed, feel free to add it. (I hope this works...) -- J. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 18 21:35:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17713 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:29:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-1.iastate.edu (pop-1.iastate.edu [129.186.1.61]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17710 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:29:15 -0500 Received: from pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.172]) by pop-1.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13283 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:29:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA29194 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:29:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009190229.VAA29194@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:14:23 CDT." <20000919021423.14891.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:29:14 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Joel Uckelman sprach: >Anomic >Lexinomic >Nomonomic >Smairf/Spuvice Nomic This ain't gonna work Joel. Josh -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 18 21:55:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17887 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:47:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-3.iastate.edu (pop-3.iastate.edu [129.186.1.63]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17884 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:47:57 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-3.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA13917 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:47:58 -0500 Received: (qmail 14947 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2000 02:46:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000919024638.14945.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:29:14 CDT." <200009190229.VAA29194@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> From: Joel Uckelman Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:46:38 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Quoth Wbfu Xbegorva: > > Joel Uckelman sprach: > >Anomic > >Lexinomic > >Nomonomic > >Smairf/Spuvice Nomic > > This ain't gonna work Joel. Hopefully no one hates all of these. -- J. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 18 22:25:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18192 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:23:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18189 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:23:39 -0500 Received: from wraith.iastate.edu (desmdslgw3poolB71.desm.uswest.net [63.227.65.71]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24014 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:23:38 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918222323.00d3b980@jschrodr.mail.iastate.edu> X-Sender: jschrodr@jschrodr.mail.iastate.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:23:49 -0500 To: nomic@iastate.edu From: Jeff Schroeder Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-Reply-To: <20000919021423.14891.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu >As for the names this is a partial list of what was suggested: > >Anomic >AphasiaNomic >A Scattered and Wandering Tribe of Nomic >ASCII (0x07) Nomic >Lexinomic >No-miq >Nomonomic >Smairf/Spuvice Nomic >Subtitled Nomic >Zeta Nomic I don't see any of Potter's suggestions here... jeff From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 18 22:35:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18265 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:32:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-3.iastate.edu (pop-3.iastate.edu [129.186.1.63]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18262 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:32:38 -0500 Received: from pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.172]) by pop-3.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21948 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:32:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA29107 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:32:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009190332.WAA29107@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:46:38 CDT." <20000919024638.14945.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:32:38 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Joel Uckelman sprach: >Quoth Wbfu Xbegorva: >> >> Joel Uckelman sprach: >> >Anomic >> >Lexinomic >> >Nomonomic >> >Smairf/Spuvice Nomic >> >> This ain't gonna work Joel. > >Hopefully no one hates all of these. Or no four people each hate one distinct one of these... etc. Josh -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 18 22:35:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18243 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:27:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18240 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:27:12 -0500 Received: from wraith.iastate.edu (desmdslgw3poolB71.desm.uswest.net [63.227.65.71]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24385 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:27:11 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918222533.00d3b270@jschrodr.mail.iastate.edu> X-Sender: jschrodr@jschrodr.mail.iastate.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:27:22 -0500 To: nomic@iastate.edu From: Jeff Schroeder Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918222323.00d3b980@jschrodr.mail.iastate.ed u> References: <20000919021423.14891.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu At 10:23 PM 9/18/00 -0500, you wrote: >>As for the names this is a partial list of what was suggested: >> >>Anomic >>AphasiaNomic >>A Scattered and Wandering Tribe of Nomic >>ASCII (0x07) Nomic >>Lexinomic >>No-miq >>Nomonomic >>Smairf/Spuvice Nomic >>Subtitled Nomic >>Zeta Nomic > >I don't see any of Potter's suggestions here... To be more specific: "Crazy Drunken Joel Nomic (self-explanitory; alternatively, it could be Joel, the Crazy Drunken Nomic)" or "Fucking Nomic" I was rather fond of those. jeff From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 18 22:45:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18345 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:38:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-1.iastate.edu (pop-1.iastate.edu [129.186.1.61]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18342 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:38:48 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-1.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24020 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:38:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 15053 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2000 03:37:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000919033729.15051.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:29:14 CDT." <200009190229.VAA29194@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> From: Joel Uckelman Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:37:29 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Quoth Wbfu Xbegorva: > > Joel Uckelman sprach: > >Anomic > >Lexinomic > >Nomonomic > >Smairf/Spuvice Nomic > > This ain't gonna work Joel. Sorry, I malpasted--"Nomonomic" should have been "Nonomonomic". -- J. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 18 22:47:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18353 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:39:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-1.iastate.edu (pop-1.iastate.edu [129.186.1.61]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18350 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:39:58 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-1.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24180 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:39:58 -0500 Received: (qmail 15067 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2000 03:38:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000919033838.15065.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:27:22 CDT." <4.3.2.7.2.20000918222533.00d3b270@jschrodr.mail.iastate.edu> From: Joel Uckelman Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:38:38 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Quoth Jeff Schroeder: > At 10:23 PM 9/18/00 -0500, you wrote: > > >>As for the names this is a partial list of what was suggested: > >> > >>Anomic > >>AphasiaNomic > >>A Scattered and Wandering Tribe of Nomic > >>ASCII (0x07) Nomic > >>Lexinomic > >>No-miq > >>Nomonomic > >>Smairf/Spuvice Nomic > >>Subtitled Nomic > >>Zeta Nomic > > > >I don't see any of Potter's suggestions here... > > > To be more specific: "Crazy Drunken Joel Nomic (self-explanitory; > alternatively, it could be > Joel, the Crazy Drunken Nomic)" or "Fucking Nomic" > > I was rather fond of those. > > jeff Yes, I'm sure you were. :) -- J. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 18 22:47:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18338 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:36:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-3.iastate.edu (pop-3.iastate.edu [129.186.1.63]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18335 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:36:37 -0500 Received: from pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.172]) by pop-3.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22667 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:36:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA26644 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:36:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009190336.WAA26644@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:27:22 CDT." <4.3.2.7.2.20000918222533.00d3b270@jschrodr.mail.iastate.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:36:37 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Jeff Schroeder sprach: >At 10:23 PM 9/18/00 -0500, you wrote: > >>>As for the names this is a partial list of what was suggested: >>> >>>Anomic >>>AphasiaNomic >>>A Scattered and Wandering Tribe of Nomic >>>ASCII (0x07) Nomic >>>Lexinomic >>>No-miq >>>Nomonomic >>>Smairf/Spuvice Nomic >>>Subtitled Nomic >>>Zeta Nomic >> >>I don't see any of Potter's suggestions here... > > >To be more specific: "Crazy Drunken Joel Nomic (self-explanitory; >alternatively, it could be >Joel, the Crazy Drunken Nomic)" or "Fucking Nomic" Joel did mention that he'd already excluded the ones he didn't like, didn't he? I guess he just doesn't like Potter. Funny what living with a person will do to you. Josh -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 18 22:55:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18431 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:47:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-2.iastate.edu (pop-2.iastate.edu [129.186.1.62]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18428 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:47:08 -0500 Received: from pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.172]) by pop-2.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02656 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:47:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA29461 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:47:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009190347.WAA29461@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:37:29 CDT." <20000919033729.15051.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:47:08 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Joel Uckelman sprach: >Quoth Wbfu Xbegorva: >> >> Joel Uckelman sprach: >> >Anomic >> >Lexinomic >> >Nomonomic >> >Smairf/Spuvice Nomic >> >> This ain't gonna work Joel. > >Sorry, I malpasted--"Nomonomic" should have been "Nonomonomic". Well then I don't like that one either. Josh -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 18 22:55:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18481 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:51:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18478 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:51:10 -0500 Received: from ed (desmdslgw3poolB71.desm.uswest.net [63.227.65.71]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA27304 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:51:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200009190351.WAA27304@mailhub.iastate.edu> X-Sender: apresh@pop-2.iastate.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:46:46 -0500 To: nomic@iastate.edu From: Andrew Proescholdt Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918222533.00d3b270@jschrodr.mail.iastate.ed u> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918222323.00d3b980@jschrodr.mail.iastate.ed u> <20000919021423.14891.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu At 10:27 PM 9/18/00 -0500, Jeff wrote: >At 10:23 PM 9/18/00 -0500, you wrote: > >>>As for the names this is a partial list of what was suggested: >>> >>>Anomic >>>AphasiaNomic >>>A Scattered and Wandering Tribe of Nomic >>>ASCII (0x07) Nomic >>>Lexinomic >>>No-miq >>>Nomonomic >>>Smairf/Spuvice Nomic >>>Subtitled Nomic >>>Zeta Nomic >> >>I don't see any of Potter's suggestions here... > > >To be more specific: "Crazy Drunken Joel Nomic (self-explanitory; >alternatively, it could be >Joel, the Crazy Drunken Nomic)" or "Fucking Nomic" > >I was rather fond of those. > >jeff > If Joel doesn't like having his name in it, how about just "Crazy Drunken Nomic"? Fucking Nomic isn't bad either, but I'm sure someone will object. I was fond of these as well. Ed From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 18 23:05:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18573 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:02:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-5.iastate.edu (pop-5.iastate.edu [129.186.1.65]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18570 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:02:09 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-5.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA09574 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:02:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 15222 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2000 04:00:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000919040049.15220.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:47:08 CDT." <200009190347.WAA29461@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> From: Joel Uckelman Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:00:49 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Quoth Wbfu Xbegorva: > > Joel Uckelman sprach: > >Quoth Wbfu Xbegorva: > >> > >> Joel Uckelman sprach: > >> >Anomic > >> >Lexinomic > >> >Nomonomic > >> >Smairf/Spuvice Nomic > >> > >> This ain't gonna work Joel. > > > >Sorry, I malpasted--"Nomonomic" should have been "Nonomonomic". > > Well then I don't like that one either. > > > > Josh You can add Nomonomic if you want, though. -- J. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 18 23:15:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18631 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:05:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-1.iastate.edu (pop-1.iastate.edu [129.186.1.61]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18628 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:05:53 -0500 Received: from pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.172]) by pop-1.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28217 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:05:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA29094 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:05:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009190405.XAA29094@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:00:49 CDT." <20000919040049.15220.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:05:53 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Joel Uckelman sprach: >Quoth Wbfu Xbegorva: >> >> Joel Uckelman sprach: >> >Quoth Wbfu Xbegorva: >> >> >> >> Joel Uckelman sprach: >> >> >Anomic >> >> >Lexinomic >> >> >Nomonomic >> >> >Smairf/Spuvice Nomic >> >> >> >> This ain't gonna work Joel. >> > >> >Sorry, I malpasted--"Nomonomic" should have been "Nonomonomic". >> >> Well then I don't like that one either. > >You can add Nomonomic if you want, though. No thanks. It's been ruined for me. I will add "bitchnomic" though. Josh -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Tue Sep 19 10:15:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24823 for nomic-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:10:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-2.iastate.edu (pop-2.iastate.edu [129.186.1.62]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24820 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:10:55 -0500 Received: from cs.utexas.edu (cs.utexas.edu [128.83.139.9]) by pop-2.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07143 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:10:55 -0500 Received: from muenster.cs.utexas.edu (activist@muenster.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.120.131]) by cs.utexas.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02156 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:10:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from activist@localhost) by muenster.cs.utexas.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24522; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:10:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:10:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Bradley To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-Reply-To: <200009190405.XAA29094@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu I rather like Aphasia Nomic or just Aphasia Miriam-Webster defines aphasia as 'loss or impairment of the power to use or comprehend words usually resulting from brain damage' - which kinda ties in to the 'crazy drunken' concept. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Thu Sep 21 09:55:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19603 for nomic-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:46:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-1.iastate.edu (pop-1.iastate.edu [129.186.1.61]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19600 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:46:03 -0500 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca (mach1.wlu.ca [192.54.242.17]) by pop-1.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24587 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:46:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (wald7330@localhost) by mach1.wlu.ca (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8LEju117257 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:45:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Waldron To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Aphasia Nomic doesn't seem so bad to me. I'd be happy with that name. Dan On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Benjamin Bradley wrote: > I rather like Aphasia Nomic or just Aphasia > Miriam-Webster defines aphasia as 'loss or impairment of the power to use > or comprehend words usually resulting from brain damage' - which kinda > ties in to the 'crazy drunken' concept. > > > > From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Thu Sep 21 12:25:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21292 for nomic-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:20:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-1.iastate.edu (pop-1.iastate.edu [129.186.1.61]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21289 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:20:48 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-1.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02534 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:20:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 18771 invoked by uid 500); 21 Sep 2000 17:19:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000921171927.18769.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:45:56 EDT." From: Joel Uckelman Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:19:27 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Well, there seem to be several people who like Aphasia and no one who really hates it (or at least has said so). If it's tollerable to everyone, I'll start the game with that name, so speak now or... Quoth Dan Waldron: > > Aphasia Nomic doesn't seem so bad to me. I'd be happy with that name. > Dan > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Benjamin Bradley wrote: > > > I rather like Aphasia Nomic or just Aphasia > > Miriam-Webster defines aphasia as 'loss or impairment of the power to use > > or comprehend words usually resulting from brain damage' - which kinda > > ties in to the 'crazy drunken' concept. > > > > > > > > -- J. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Thu Sep 21 13:45:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22104 for nomic-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:42:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-5.iastate.edu (pop-5.iastate.edu [129.186.1.65]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22101 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:42:27 -0500 Received: from mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.48]) by pop-5.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17492 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:42:27 -0500 Received: from home.com ([24.66.222.61]) by mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000921184226.UDEI620.mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com@home.com> for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:42:26 -0700 Message-ID: <39CA57D0.BB36DF08@home.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:47:44 -0600 From: Roger Carbol X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names References: <20000921171927.18769.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Joel Uckelman wrote: > Well, there seem to be several people who like Aphasia and no one who > really hates it (or at least has said so). If it's tollerable to everyone, > I'll start the game with that name, so speak now or... Yay! My name wins! .. Roger .. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Thu Sep 21 13:55:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22156 for nomic-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:47:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-5.iastate.edu (pop-5.iastate.edu [129.186.1.65]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22153 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:47:03 -0500 Received: from pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.173]) by pop-5.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20165 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:47:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA14695 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:47:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009211847.NAA14695@pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:47:44 MDT." <39CA57D0.BB36DF08@home.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:47:03 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Roger Carbol sprach: >Joel Uckelman wrote: > >> Well, there seem to be several people who like Aphasia and no one who >> really hates it (or at least has said so). If it's tollerable to everyone, >> I'll start the game with that name, so speak now or... > > >Yay! My name wins! I don't like it. Why do we need a name anyway? I've come to preferring no name (and not "no name" or any such garbage) to any name. Josh -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Thu Sep 21 21:05:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26137 for nomic-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:00:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-5.iastate.edu (pop-5.iastate.edu [129.186.1.65]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26134 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:00:02 -0500 Received: from adamtj.adamtj.com (welch-roberts-176-232.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.176.232]) by pop-5.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15114 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:00:00 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=adamtj) by adamtj.adamtj.com with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13cI87-000159-00 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:59:59 -0500 From: Adam Tomjack To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:59:59 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.90] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20000921171927.18769.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> In-Reply-To: <20000921171927.18769.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00092120595901.04114@adamtj> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu (Thu, 21 Sep 2000) Thus Spake Joel Uckelman: > Well, there seem to be several people who like Aphasia and no one who > really hates it (or at least has said so). If it's tollerable to everyone, > I'll start the game with that name, so speak now or... > > Quoth Dan Waldron: > > Aphasia Nomic doesn't seem so bad to me. I'd be happy with that name. > > Dan > > > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Benjamin Bradley wrote: > > > I rather like Aphasia Nomic or just Aphasia > > > Miriam-Webster defines aphasia as 'loss or impairment of the power to > > > use or comprehend words usually resulting from brain damage' - which > > > kinda ties in to the 'crazy drunken' concept. Why don't we just start with Aphasia Nomic and if anybody wants to change the name, they can make a proposal and we'll vote. -- Adam Tomjack adamtj@adamtj.com http://www.adamtj.com From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Thu Sep 21 22:25:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26905 for nomic-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:16:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-1.iastate.edu (pop-1.iastate.edu [129.186.1.61]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26902 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:16:29 -0500 Received: from pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.172]) by pop-1.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25706 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:16:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA06468 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:16:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009220316.WAA06468@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:59:59 CDT." <00092120595901.04114@adamtj> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:16:29 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Adam Tomjack sprach: >(Thu, 21 Sep 2000) Thus Spake Joel Uckelman: >> Well, there seem to be several people who like Aphasia and no one who >> really hates it (or at least has said so). If it's tollerable to everyone, >> I'll start the game with that name, so speak now or... >> >> Quoth Dan Waldron: >> > Aphasia Nomic doesn't seem so bad to me. I'd be happy with that name. >> > Dan >> > >> > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Benjamin Bradley wrote: >> > > I rather like Aphasia Nomic or just Aphasia >> > > Miriam-Webster defines aphasia as 'loss or impairment of the power to >> > > use or comprehend words usually resulting from brain damage' - which >> > > kinda ties in to the 'crazy drunken' concept. > >Why don't we just start with Aphasia Nomic and if anybody wants to change the >name, they can make a proposal and we'll vote. Apparently you've never read the archives to the old nomic. :) -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Fri Sep 22 02:05:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29601 for nomic-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:57:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29598 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:57:30 -0500 Received: from wraith.iastate.edu (desmdslgw3poolB71.desm.uswest.net [63.227.65.71]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26114 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:57:30 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000922015609.00d76bd0@jschrodr.mail.iastate.edu> X-Sender: jschrodr@jschrodr.mail.iastate.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:57:43 -0500 To: nomic@iastate.edu From: Jeff Schroeder Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-Reply-To: <200009220316.WAA06468@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu At 10:16 PM 9/21/00 -0500, you wrote: >Adam Tomjack sprach: > >(Thu, 21 Sep 2000) Thus Spake Joel Uckelman: > >> Well, there seem to be several people who like Aphasia and no one who > >> really hates it (or at least has said so). If it's tollerable to everyone, > >> I'll start the game with that name, so speak now or... > >> > >> Quoth Dan Waldron: > >> > Aphasia Nomic doesn't seem so bad to me. I'd be happy with that name. > >> > Dan > >> > > >> > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Benjamin Bradley wrote: > >> > > I rather like Aphasia Nomic or just Aphasia > >> > > Miriam-Webster defines aphasia as 'loss or impairment of the power to > >> > > use or comprehend words usually resulting from brain damage' - which > >> > > kinda ties in to the 'crazy drunken' concept. > > > >Why don't we just start with Aphasia Nomic and if anybody wants to > change the > >name, they can make a proposal and we'll vote. > >Apparently you've never read the archives to the old nomic. :) > >-- >josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ I would prefer to start the game and then vote all according to the voting system. I think there should not be a name until the vote. jeff From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Fri Sep 22 10:05:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00736 for nomic-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:00:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-2.iastate.edu (pop-2.iastate.edu [129.186.1.62]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00733 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:00:07 -0500 Received: from cs.utexas.edu (cs.utexas.edu [128.83.139.9]) by pop-2.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15254 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:00:07 -0500 Received: from muenster.cs.utexas.edu (activist@muenster.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.120.131]) by cs.utexas.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01572 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:00:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from activist@localhost) by muenster.cs.utexas.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01667; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:00:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:00:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Bradley To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000922015609.00d76bd0@jschrodr.mail.iastate.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu maybe we should start with just a generic name [Nomic] or something - You have received mail from Benjamin Bradley. Ce n'est pas un e-mail. - http://lostpoet.tripod.com/ - whee life what a rush From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Fri Sep 22 16:15:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05258 for nomic-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:11:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-5.iastate.edu (pop-5.iastate.edu [129.186.1.65]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05255 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:11:58 -0500 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca (mach1.wlu.ca [192.54.242.17]) by pop-5.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20673 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:11:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (wald7330@localhost) by mach1.wlu.ca (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8MLBvH04453 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:11:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Waldron To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game start and names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Benjamin Bradley wrote: > maybe we should start with just a generic name [Nomic] or something This game is obviously better and more important than any other nomic game either past or present. Why does it need a name at all? Dan From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Sun Sep 24 19:55:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28883 for nomic-outgoing; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:51:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-2.iastate.edu (pop-2.iastate.edu [129.186.1.62]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28880 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:51:41 -0500 Received: from scylla.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-2.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.2]) by pop-2.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA14185 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:51:41 -0500 Received: (qmail 1667 invoked by uid 500); 25 Sep 2000 00:51:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000925005140.1665.qmail@scylla.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Nomic: game name From: Joel Uckelman Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:51:40 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu It was brought to my attention by Mr. Bradley that it would be easier to assign each game hosted on nomic.net a number as its account number, and leave all issues regarding game names defined within the respective games. There is also a feeling that we should start with no name and christen the game once we're playing. This seems a good idea and in the spirit of things. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Sun Sep 24 20:05:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28946 for nomic-outgoing; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:56:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-3.iastate.edu (pop-3.iastate.edu [129.186.1.63]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28943 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:56:13 -0500 Received: from pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.172]) by pop-3.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23469 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:56:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA02215 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:56:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009250056.TAA02215@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:51:40 CDT." <20000925005140.1665.qmail@scylla.ellipsis.cx> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:56:13 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Joel Uckelman sprach: >It was brought to my attention by Mr. Bradley that it would be easier to >assign each game hosted on nomic.net a number as its account number, and >leave all issues regarding game names defined within the respective games. > >There is also a feeling that we should start with no name and christen the >game once we're playing. This seems a good idea and in the spirit of things. Which things? Hot dogs? Complete volumes of Shakespeare's works? The forms? :) Josh -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Sun Sep 24 20:15:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29083 for nomic-outgoing; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:10:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-3.iastate.edu (pop-3.iastate.edu [129.186.1.63]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29080 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:10:19 -0500 Received: from charybdis.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-119.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.119]) by pop-3.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA25161 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:10:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 25131 invoked by uid 500); 25 Sep 2000 01:08:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000925010856.25129.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:56:13 CDT." <200009250056.TAA02215@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> From: Joel Uckelman Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:08:56 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Quoth Wbfu Xbegorva: > > Joel Uckelman sprach: > >It was brought to my attention by Mr. Bradley that it would be easier to > >assign each game hosted on nomic.net a number as its account number, and > >leave all issues regarding game names defined within the respective games. > > > >There is also a feeling that we should start with no name and christen the > >game once we're playing. This seems a good idea and in the spirit of things. > > Which things? Hot dogs? Complete volumes of Shakespeare's works? > The forms? :) > The Weltgeist, Josh. -- J. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Sun Sep 24 21:35:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29788 for nomic-outgoing; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:33:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-1.iastate.edu (pop-1.iastate.edu [129.186.1.61]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29785 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:33:38 -0500 Received: from pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.172]) by pop-1.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19014 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:33:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02798 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:33:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009250233.VAA02798@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: game name In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:08:56 CDT." <20000925010856.25129.qmail@charybdis.ellipsis.cx> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:33:37 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Joel Uckelman sprach: >Quoth Wbfu Xbegorva: >> >> Joel Uckelman sprach: >> >It was brought to my attention by Mr. Bradley that it would be easier to >> >assign each game hosted on nomic.net a number as its account number, and >> >leave all issues regarding game names defined within the respective games. >> > >> >There is also a feeling that we should start with no name and christen the >> >game once we're playing. This seems a good idea and in the spirit of things >. >> >> Which things? Hot dogs? Complete volumes of Shakespeare's works? >> The forms? :) >> > >The Weltgeist, Josh. Eeew, you mean it's in me too? Get it out! -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 25 01:25:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32706 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:17:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-3.iastate.edu (pop-3.iastate.edu [129.186.1.63]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32703 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:17:46 -0500 Received: from scylla.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-2.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.2]) by pop-3.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA25492 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:17:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 2255 invoked by uid 500); 25 Sep 2000 06:17:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000925061746.2253.qmail@scylla.ellipsis.cx> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Nomic: location of game stuff From: Joel Uckelman Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:17:46 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Things for the game are starting to appear on nomic.net. At present, the only thing to see there is the Ruleset, all on one page: http://www.nomic.net/~g1/Rules.Historical.1.html In traditional style, I'm not quite done with the setup (I didn't have enough time today since I slept too late), but everything seems to be proceeding smoothly, and I still have 23 hours before my estimate of starting today will be in error. So, keep your fingers crossed, it may well be ready before the day is out. Thanks for your patience, everybody. From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Mon Sep 25 21:55:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12548 for nomic-outgoing; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:47:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-4.iastate.edu (pop-4.iastate.edu [129.186.1.64]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12545 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:47:35 -0500 Received: from scylla.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-2.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.2]) by pop-4.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA26808 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:47:35 -0500 Received: (qmail 1255 invoked by uid 500); 26 Sep 2000 02:47:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000926024736.1253.qmail@scylla.ellipsis.cx> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Nomic: more stuff From: Joel Uckelman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:47:35 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu The rules have numbers now: http://www.nomic.net/~g1/Rules.Historical.1.html And there's a numerical ruleset, which is no different since we haven't started yet: http://www.nomic.net/~g1/Rules.Numerical.1.html What's left before we can start: (1) Setting up the list parser for this account. (2) Setting up the Proposal archive to receive the onrushing flood of Proposals. (3) Creating the mailing lists. (4) Making a rudimentary main page so everyone can find things until I make a better one. (2), (3), and (4) will be trivial, and may yet be done this evening. My logic homework may prevent me from doing (1) tonight, since it will be a little more involved than the other three. Which means tomorrow or Wednesday looks promising for a game start. -- J. Uckelman uckelman@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~uckelman/ From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Sat Sep 30 21:45:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13533 for nomic-outgoing; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:39:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-1.iastate.edu (pop-1.iastate.edu [129.186.1.61]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13530 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:39:54 -0500 Received: from scylla.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-2.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.2]) by pop-1.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA07765 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:39:54 -0500 Received: (qmail 1388 invoked by uid 500); 1 Oct 2000 02:40:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20001001024010.1386.qmail@scylla.ellipsis.cx> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Nomic: ready to go! From: Joel Uckelman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:40:10 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Everything that really needs to be working for us to start the game seems to be, so I'm going to set the start date as 00:00:00 UTC on Monday. I would start it now, but I want a day or so until then in case I think of something that urgently needs doing. So, a few important things to notice: g1 is the designation I've given to the game for the time being. It is _not_ the game's name, but rather something to use until such time as we decide on one. The web site is http://www.nomic.net/~g1 There are three important mail addresses: g1-business@nomic.net g1-discuss@nomic.net g1-voting@nomic.net g1-business will be a public forum (and the only public forum). g1-discuss will be for discussion. g1-business and g1-discuss are majordomo lists--you can subscribe yourself to them by sending a message with the body 'subscribe' to g1-business-request or g1-discuss-request, as appropriate. g1-voting is the address to which votes are sent. At present, g1-voting is an alias for my address, but it will eventually feed votes into a vote counter (once someone writes one). As per Rule 209, for the first ten days of play, anyone who qualifies as a Player may become one simply by announcing it publicly, i.e. on the business mailing list. (NB: Before anyone can do that, though, there must be at least one public forum. Only the Admin can designate fora public, and the Admin must be a Player. So, it appears that nothing can happen unless the Admin is already a Player when the game starts. This occurred to me on Friday when I was walking to a class. It's sort of odd, but it's the result of not defining any public fora in the rules, which I think is a Good Thing. So, I'll be starting the game with myself as a Player and will immediately declare the business list to be a public fora. I doubt I'll do anything else until at least a few other people join, though.) That digression past, I want to apologize for taking so long to get everything back in order. Hope to see everyone joining the new game! -- J. -- Play Nomic! http://www.nomic.net From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Sat Sep 30 22:05:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13662 for nomic-outgoing; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:01:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-5.iastate.edu (pop-5.iastate.edu [129.186.1.65]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13659 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:01:30 -0500 Received: from scylla.ellipsis.cx (hawthorn-153-2.stures.iastate.edu [129.186.153.2]) by pop-5.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11770 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:01:31 -0500 Received: (qmail 1462 invoked by uid 500); 1 Oct 2000 03:01:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20001001030147.1460.qmail@scylla.ellipsis.cx> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Nomic: lists From: Joel Uckelman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:01:47 -0500 Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu As long as no one objects, I'll add everyone to the new lists sometime tomorrow. (Why make you guys do it when I can add everyone in a single in a single swoop?) -- J. -- Play Nomic! http://www.nomic.net From owner-nomic@majordomo.iastate.edu Sat Sep 30 22:15:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13744 for nomic-outgoing; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:14:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: majordomo.iastate.edu: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/nomic Received: from pop-2.iastate.edu (pop-2.iastate.edu [129.186.1.62]) by majordomo.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13741 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:14:40 -0500 Received: from pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu [129.186.62.172]) by pop-2.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07401 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:14:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (kortbein@localhost) by pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19405 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:14:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200010010314.WAA19405@pv3eac.vincent.iastate.edu> To: nomic@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Nomic: lists In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:01:47 CDT." <20001001030147.1460.qmail@scylla.ellipsis.cx> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:14:40 CDT From: Wbfu Xbegorva Sender: owner-nomic@iastate.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nomic@iastate.edu Joel Uckelman sprach: >As long as no one objects, I'll add everyone to the new lists sometime >tomorrow. (Why make you guys do it when I can add everyone in a single in a >single swoop?) Perversity. (Duh, Joel.) -- josh blog: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/