ackanomic Digest Friday, February 12 1999 Volume: 04 Issue: 041 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: Acka: Scam Hunt Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:06:26 -0500 (EST) I hereby call a Scam Hunt against K 2 for exploiting an already discovered loophole. Valid votes in this hearing are: "Wow! She drove a truck through it!" "I don't think she knows how to drive.". Please join me in condeming K 2's blatant abuse of a loophole by voting "I don't think she knows how to drive." --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: Scam and Sensibility Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:17:39 -0500 (EST) Nothing in my rule states that it has to be your own entities that get converted. I convert 50*10^1000 of K 2's Manna into 2*10^999 points. That should leave him only a huge number of points in debt. I convert 20 K of K 2's Ackadollars into points, where K is the largest integer such that K 2 possesses this many Ackadollars. Now if everyone else stops the madness, I won't have to do this again. -- Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/ Ackanomic | U. of Cambridge Web-Harfer, Clerk of the Court, Map-Harfer, Justice | 2nd Year PhD(PMa) ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: Hmm Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:35:04 -0500 (EST) Now, points are entities, right? And therefore anything referred to by the rules as a point must be an entity, right? And the number of points existing in Ackanomic as a whole as at midday yesterday was less than 5000, right? So where did the 5000 points that else...if converted come from? Or does everyone own an unbounded number of points and an unbounded number of negative points (which are not entities as the rules do not define them as such?) I destroy all of my negative points. -- Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/ Ackanomic | U. of Cambridge Web-Harfer, Clerk of the Court, Map-Harfer, Justice | 2nd Year PhD(PMa) ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: Scam and Sensibility Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:35:50 -0500 (EST) I think ownership is likely to be implicit. I convert 10^1000^1000 of the Slakko's points into 50*10^1000^1000 Mannna. I convert 10^1000^1000 of the Slakko's points into 2*10^1000^1000 A$ I repeat the previous two sentences replacing "Slakko" with the name of each and every player of Ackanomic. K 2 Duncan Richer wrote: > Nothing in my rule states that it has to be your own entities that get > converted. > > I convert 50*10^1000 of K 2's Manna into 2*10^999 points. That should > leave him only a huge number of points in debt. > > I convert 20 K of K 2's Ackadollars into points, where K is the largest > integer such that K 2 possesses this many Ackadollars. > > Now if everyone else stops the madness, I won't have to do this again. > > -- > Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College > http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/ Ackanomic | U. of Cambridge > Web-Harfer, Clerk of the Court, Map-Harfer, Justice | 2nd Year PhD(PMa) ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Hmm Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:41:25 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Duncan Richer wrote: >Now, points are entities, right? Yes. >And therefore anything referred to by the rules as a point must be an >entity, right? Yes. >And the number of points existing in Ackanomic as a whole as at midday >yesterday was less than 5000, right? Yes. >So where did the 5000 points that else...if converted come from? They didn't. They are covered (I believe) by the clause that says a player may own a negative number of points. >Or does everyone own an unbounded number of points and an unbounded number >of negative points (which are not entities as the rules do not define them >as such?) Please note that a negative number of points is different than a number of negative points :) >I destroy all of my negative points. That's nice. Doesn't change your score one whit, since that is defined as the number of points which you own (a number which may be negative). --JT -- [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Scam and Sensibility Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:43:10 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, K 2 wrote: >I think ownership is likely to be implicit. > >I convert 10^1000^1000 of the Slakko's points into 50*10^1000^1000 Mannna. > >I convert 10^1000^1000 of the Slakko's points into 2*10^1000^1000 A$ > >I repeat the previous two sentences replacing "Slakko" with the name of >each and every player of Ackanomic. I call another Scam Hunt against K 2 for this blatant abuse of a rules loophole. Valid votes are: "Wow! She drove a truck through it!" and "I don't think she knows how to drive.". How many black marks can we give K 2 :) --JT -- [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Re: Acka: Hmm Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:46:26 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, JT wrote: > On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Duncan Richer wrote: > >Now, points are entities, right? > > Yes. > > >And therefore anything referred to by the rules as a point must be an > >entity, right? > > Yes. > > >And the number of points existing in Ackanomic as a whole as at midday > >yesterday was less than 5000, right? > > Yes. > > >So where did the 5000 points that else...if converted come from? > > They didn't. They are covered (I believe) by the clause that says a > player may own a negative number of points. It says K points may be converted. If those K points do not exist, how can they be converted? Simply saying "Thingummy has -50 points" does not change the fact that he does not own any points. Show me the 5000 points that were converted. You can't, because there weren't that many in the game. How can a conversion take place involving entities that don't exist? IMHO, this is a confusion between "a player may own a negative number of points" meaning "players scores may become negative" and "enough point entities exist to do anything, because it would leave a player owning a negative number of entities" I am not in favour of these virtual point-antipoint pairs. -- Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/ Ackanomic | U. of Cambridge Web-Harfer, Clerk of the Court, Map-Harfer, Justice | 2nd Year PhD(PMa) ------------------------------ From: K 2 Subject: Re: Acka: Scam and Sensibility Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:56:55 -0500 (EST) JT wrote: > How many black marks can we give K 2 :) > As many as you want... only you can't call another scam hunt on me for a week. K 2 > > --JT > > -- > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] > [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] > [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Scam and Sensibility Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 03:01:39 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, K 2 wrote: >As many as you want... only you can't call another scam hunt on me for a week. heh.. Oops.. missed that sentance. Sorry.. I said I was tired. --JT -- [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: jobollin@iumsc4.chem.indiana.edu (John Bollinger) Subject: Re: Acka: Scam and Sensibility Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:43:12 -0500 (EST) I don't think she knows how to drive. My EBS votes I don't think she knows how to BURN THE WITCH! ThinMan ------------------------------ From: jobollin@iumsc4.chem.indiana.edu (John Bollinger) Subject: Re: Acka: Hmm Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:43:20 -0500 (EST) Slakko wrote: >It says K points may be converted. If those K points do not exist, how >can they be converted? Simply saying "Thingummy has -50 points" does not >change the fact that he does not own any points. I agree with Slakko. ThinMan ------------------------------ From: Towsner Subject: Acka: The whole scam thing Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:53:47 -0500 (EST) I didn't mean to use a scam K2 had noticed. I read over his proposal and didn't think it would work, so I went ahead with the scam. If I have more than 5000 Manna, I conver 5000 Manna into 20 points. I'm not converting the A$ back because there's something I want to do with them (not a treasure, but something similar). Also, I'm leaving for a week on Sunday. Would anyone like to be acting CotC for a week? -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith ------------------------------ End of ackanomic Digest V4 #41 ******************************